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Speaker 3: Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. He's Mike Carmen at

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Speaker 1: Swollen Dome. I'm Dan Bayer. Find me at Dan Bayer Box.

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Speaker 1: The show's executive producer is Ian Roddy, and we wrap

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Speaker 1: up our preseason preview mic talking about wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: it is a position that is just gosh. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think back in playing fantasy thirty years ago, and

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Speaker 1: it was nice to have Andre Reid or Jerry Ri's

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Speaker 1: on your team in those days, but the position didn't

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Speaker 1: have depth, it didn't have importance. For this fantasy grew

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Speaker 1: and the NFL changed. Now, wide receivers as big as

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Speaker 1: big of a topic when you're talking about fantasy football

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Speaker 1: than pretty much anything else.

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Speaker 4: Twenty seven guys top one thousand yards a year ago

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Speaker 4: eleven eleven guys had one hundred receptions. Dan add six

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Speaker 4: with double digit TD totals at one tight end. We'll

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Speaker 4: get to them a little bit later. Evan Ingram had

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Speaker 4: his thousand yard or he had one hundred catches, and

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Speaker 4: then you had one thousand yard receiver from the position,

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Speaker 4: So you've just got winging it all over the yard.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it, and we did in the running

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Speaker 4: back breakdown with all the pass catchers and the split

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Speaker 4: duties and everything. But certainly from the way operationally efficients

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Speaker 4: efficiency is picked up in the NFL when we're talking

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Speaker 4: if you don't complete at least two thirds of your

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Speaker 4: pass as you stink, it's just a much different hand

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Speaker 4: than what we grew up with.

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Speaker 1: How many are in that top tier and this seems

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Speaker 1: like it's a top tier that is changing because Ceedee

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't as if it was a sure thing

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Speaker 1: at any point. But Ceedee Lamb was in that top

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Speaker 1: tier now likely will be. But how do you see

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Speaker 1: the top tier now entering the season, now that we've

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Speaker 1: almost and I say almost, have got clarity on the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position throughout the league.

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Speaker 4: Five guys, okay, not to be confused with the Burger joint,

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Speaker 4: and you know, all the business headlines that they make.

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Speaker 4: Whether you like peanut oil or not, is also part

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't like the Cajun seasoning on the fries.

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Speaker 1: I like it just regular.

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Speaker 4: See there you go, the Cajun seasoning, the peanut shells

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Speaker 4: that the cost. I mean, all of those things factor in.

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Speaker 4: But here you got five players that I think are consensus,

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Speaker 4: and one of them is still we're wondering whether he's

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Speaker 4: writing or as of this recording, I should say, noncommittal.

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Speaker 4: And that's Jamar Chase. So he's part of the group.

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Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb is part of the group. Obviously, Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: That is The Chase situation is one that lingers and

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Speaker 1: I still think WR one is down to Lamb or Tyreek.

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Speaker 1: I have the same concerns. That's on one side, but

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Speaker 1: with see thee Lamb. I think it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 4: Well, because the other part is the curiosity, right the

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Speaker 4: Dak Prescott elephant in the room, and he finally got

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Speaker 4: it was tongue in cheek the I stopped listening to

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Speaker 4: his next contract, right, can't be franchise tagged all of

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Speaker 4: that fun stuff. But also they don't have a discernible

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Speaker 4: Right, Gallup retired and you got a bunch of guys

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Speaker 3: He can get in line because he was a non factor.

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Speaker 4: But all that to say, you know, in Miami you've

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Speaker 4: and bad when it comes to Tyreek Hill and it's

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Speaker 4: So yeah, Lamb's still number one for me. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: You look at Lamb's numbers and it's just gotten better

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Speaker 1: how it's going to regress. A lot like the Josh

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, honestly, Mike like, at some point he's just

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be anything gradual. And

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Speaker 1: there's obviously two of questions, but it's the reasoning of

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Speaker 4: That and you know, I like the Chaos three because

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Speaker 4: we've always loved Tyreek Hill the player. Ceedee Lamb was

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Speaker 4: a guy that even around our hallways at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 4: you had people calling him just a guy fourteen fifteen

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Speaker 1: I am curious in you having Amanra Saint Brown in

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Speaker 1: your Tier one, not that that is blasphemous, but there

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Speaker 1: you like him Minor Saint Brown in that number one tier?

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Speaker 4: Sheer opportunity, Right, we're talking about piling up receptions and

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Speaker 4: the way most leagues are slanted anymore. If I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Dan Byer, there you go.

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Speaker 4: You gotta be at a certain age and you gotta

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Speaker 4: be degenerates watching late night reruns at the King of

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Speaker 4: Queens like us to see those ads. But just the idea,

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Speaker 4: of excited to see what Hendon Hooker can do. Uh,

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Speaker 4: But you know, you've got so many weapons in that offense.

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Speaker 4: I actually have him one slot ahead of Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this next group of guys because I

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Garrett Wilson showed us he can play

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Speaker 4: throwing the football. I'm very high on Drake London, you know,

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Speaker 4: going back to the Captain Kirk thing. So I've actually

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Speaker 4: got him seventh on my board. Pukin Nakua coming in

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Speaker 4: Brown and his tag team partner DeVante Smith. I wonder

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Speaker 1: I just you know, the AJ Brown dilemma, and I

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Speaker 1: got I'm gonna say I got AJ Brown. But you

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Speaker 1: could use any player that you acquire in a trade

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Speaker 1: and they don't come through for you as that sort

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Speaker 1: the Eagles end up giving him a new deal this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I think it actually would have been best for them

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Speaker 1: to stay away. I think that they feel like, all right,

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Speaker 1: we need a happy AJ Brown for us to succeed,

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Speaker 1: and let's just give in to him. But I, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have concerns. I'd much rather have DeVante Smith and

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Speaker 1: I guess someone else at a higher spot. Like to

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Speaker 1: your point of who's higher or not, I just I

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Speaker 4: I don't I think I've got like three players on

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Speaker 4: Well now he's got Joe Flacco, right, so we actually

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Michael Marvin Harrison Junior. Excuse me, is

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Speaker 1: your flex. And we're talking wide receivers. We've talked a

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Speaker 1: What Texans wide receiver do you need to have? Heck,

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Speaker 1: right here, And I want your flex, welcome back. It

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon at Swollen Dome, Mike. The big headline a

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Speaker 1: Any concerns any Obviously there's a boost with Ayuk what

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Speaker 4: Still sitting at a nice round number twenty on my board, right,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to push him up too much. Just again

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Speaker 4: it through from a football perspective, right, The same contract

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Speaker 4: look in the mirror, Dan and realize, maybe the grass

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Speaker 4: ain't greener, and winning is a lot more fun in

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Speaker 1: I thought it was the worst trade demand that I've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it didn't really seem to have much juice

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Speaker 4: I just hopefully you know, he's been getting he's gotten

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the rest of the line. You know, people

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Speaker 1: If you're if you drafting forty nine ers. The one team,

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Speaker 4: I have Collins as a high end WR two. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the catches may be there. I just I'm fearful

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Speaker 3: Good luck. Here's a Bigfoot iteration nineteen. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Since we were talking about ADNZA and we talked about

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Speaker 1: about Melik Neighbors rookie wide receiver theme sort of. Is

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Speaker 1: it Harrison one neighbors to a Dunza three or do

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Speaker 1: you have one and two flipped? Where do you have

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Speaker 1: Melik Neighbors?

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Speaker 3: I have a Dunjay I immediately ahead of Neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, right right.

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Speaker 4: Right next to each other. Okay, so later twenties for both.

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Speaker 4: And obviously, you know, Neighbors is a guy that we

443
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Speaker 4: love the physical talent. We just have a lot of

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Speaker 4: questions about spinning it. And you know, maybe I believe

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Speaker 4: in Daniel Jones a little bit more, but can he

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Speaker 4: stay up right behind that offensive line? I don't think

447
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Speaker 4: they did enough to address that for an anything. You know,

448
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Speaker 4: we saw in the off season Hard Knock, which ended

449
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Speaker 4: up being more exciting than you thought, just because we

450
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Speaker 4: got the behind the scenes jack assery of the coaching

451
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Speaker 4: staff and GM, the GM getting out gmmed by his

452
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Speaker 4: kid in some of those conversations. But you know, Neighbors

453
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Speaker 4: is an all world talent. But I think Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: if you can keep them up right. Obviously, the loss

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Speaker 4: of Saquon Barkley can't be underscored enough. Again, owing to

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Speaker 4: that phone conversation, that might be the funniest thing the

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Speaker 4: side of crank anchors in the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: But neighbors will get his they'll figure out a way

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Speaker 4: to scheme him up, would be my guest. So that'll

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Speaker 4: that'll make up for the lack of touchdown production.

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Speaker 1: Where who are some names? That's the better way to

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Speaker 1: put it. Who are some names that we need to

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Speaker 1: start looking at? If you're sitting there looking for a

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Speaker 1: fourth wide receiver, you know, fifth wide receiver, if you're

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Speaker 1: in a three wide receiver flex or two flex league,

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Speaker 1: who are some of the names Now that later on

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Speaker 1: than the draft, you're gonna have to be all right,

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Speaker 1: I got to make sure I get my hands on

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Speaker 1: this guy because he could be of value at the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position.

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Speaker 4: I think you have another couple of rookies that will

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Speaker 4: make their impact with Kansas City and Xavier Worthy. The

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Speaker 4: big question is how many targets per game does he get?

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Speaker 4: And you know, will you start him the week that

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Speaker 4: he has the sixty yard touchdown catch up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right, that's the problem. He's gonna feast or famine.

478
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Speaker 4: Lad McConkie with the Chargers because there's no discernible number one.

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Speaker 4: I mean Josh Palmer, I think would be one of

480
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Speaker 4: those guys that would fit in as a late ninja

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Speaker 4: slash sleeper kind of guy. We've talked a lot Khalil

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Speaker 4: Shakur in Buffalo Kean Coleman of course as well, but

483
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Speaker 4: I mean Shakir. I mean, you've seen the graphics, and

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Speaker 4: I think most folks that have gone through this the

485
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Speaker 4: last couple of weeks have I mean, the efficiency rate

486
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Speaker 4: that they had last year he and Josh Allen was

487
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Speaker 4: just absurd.

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Speaker 3: So I think that.

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Speaker 4: And then guy, I think he's being underdrafted, and and

490
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Speaker 4: I've got him higher than I think most you know,

491
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Speaker 4: going back even to the w R two to three range,

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Speaker 4: as your guy Tyler Lockett there in Seattle, UH for one.

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Speaker 4: And then Courtland Sutton, who evidently was part of some

494
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Speaker 4: Kakamami trade thing with Brandon Hayuk before that contract out sign.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a huge believer in the Denver offense suddenly

496
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Speaker 4: rising like some people. I think that, I think people

497
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Speaker 4: owe debts to Sean Payton for something. But Courtland Sutton's

498
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Speaker 4: a guy I think being underdrafted. I think people are

499
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Speaker 4: staying away from the situation far too much.

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Speaker 1: I like Jackson Smith and Jigba in Seattle as well,

501
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Speaker 1: like Nowlas. I'm you know, I hate to point out

502
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Speaker 1: the the Shane Waldron seem seemingly discussed from Jason for

503
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Speaker 1: talking about it last year, but I do think that

504
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Speaker 1: that Ryan Grubb will figure out ways to use him

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Speaker 1: as well. I'll tell you another name that isn't in

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Speaker 1: that group. It's in a little higher group, but I

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Speaker 1: feel that it's worthy of being mentioned. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: say Worthy for the reason of the team that he

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Speaker 1: plays on, but Rashi Rice's suspension, I don't think Mike

510
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Speaker 1: comes this season.

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Speaker 3: I think so when you're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about familiarity and what you know Rice had with

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Speaker 1: the off season. Now we're at the point where, okay,

514
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Speaker 1: he's more familiar with Patrick Mahomes than Hollywood Brown is,

515
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Speaker 1: who's not going to be there. Week one. We mentioned

516
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Speaker 1: the stuff with Worthy, where that's where I put him

517
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Speaker 1: and Brown. Worthy and Brown on the same group of

518
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Speaker 1: all right, somebody's going to hit, it's just you got

519
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Speaker 1: to pick the right one. But if there is a

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Speaker 1: consistent player, I do like Rashie Rice in that window

521
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Speaker 1: no matter how bad the off season was, I still

522
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Speaker 1: think there's an opportunity for him to produce more this

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Speaker 1: year for Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: I've got him as a back end too.

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Speaker 4: He's right behind Metcalf and ahead of Cooper and a guy.

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Speaker 4: I've got a big question mark, curious your thoughts. Is

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Speaker 4: A Flowers right, whatever Baltimore becomes this year? You had

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Speaker 4: a change at old broken running backs and giving them

529
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Speaker 4: to his brother that's really weird, Harbor to Harriball and

530
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Speaker 4: then bringing in Derrick Henry. But the idea that philosophically

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Speaker 4: maybe something changes in the offense is a bit curious

532
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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, to me, had the season that I thought

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Speaker 1: he would have, So it was about nine hundred yards

535
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Speaker 1: I think, seventy or eighty catches, and then you saw

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Speaker 1: him be that viable target in the playoffs and kind

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Speaker 1: of be their guy. But he also had the absence

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Speaker 1: of Mark Andrews at that time, which I think played

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Speaker 1: into it. I don't see a huge jump for Jay Flowers.

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Speaker 1: I think, like in the playoff window, even though Lamar

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Speaker 1: trusted him and loved him, I don't see I don't

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Speaker 1: see a twelve hundred yard season coming from Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 1: Let me just put it that way.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: So I've got him twenty four right ahead of debo. Okay,

546
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Speaker 4: you know what?

547
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Speaker 3: You know me?

548
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Speaker 4: I love me some debo by Ackter, you do, but

549
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Speaker 4: it's week but it's a week to week love.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's like the same thing is It's like we're talking

552
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Speaker 4: about with those secondary receivers for the Chiefs. Am I

553
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: getting the big explosive play? Or am I just you know,

554
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Speaker 4: waiting on the shoe string tackle through my fantasy week?

555
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you the I'll give you the wide receiver.

556
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Speaker 1: The thing is the toughest medicine to take Deontay Johnson.

557
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Speaker 3: Send him down to Carolina. Baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I don't think it's any fun drafting

559
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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson, and I don't think it's any great feel

560
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: to have Deontay Johnson in your lineup and when you're

561
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: looking at it on Wednesday and Thursday, I just it

562
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel great. However, Mike, I can't let my heart

563
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Speaker 1: change from what my head says. And it's veteran wide

564
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: receivers put up numbers before Bryce Young needs them. There

565
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Speaker 1: could be an opportunity in Carolina for Deontay Johnson. But

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Speaker 1: he is the one that I'm like, all right, this

567
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: is the robe of Tussin going down. I gotta take it.

568
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Speaker 1: Hopefully it makes me feel better or I'm just gonna

569
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Speaker 1: have to take this medicine and deal with it.

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Speaker 4: Because it's funny, right doing the breakdown and you're like,

571
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: all right, they were terrible. That probably will still be

572
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: low on wins. But with Canalis coming over and shuffling

573
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Speaker 4: that up, do you get some more efficiency? What's the

574
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: leap for Bryce Young? And then you say, well, Canalis

575
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Speaker 4: comes over, Look what he did for Baker Mayfield. Well,

576
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 4: Evans and Godwin aren't on this team.

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Speaker 3: M Yes, right, So as much as I.

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Speaker 4: Want to make that correlation and jump it over, like

579
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Speaker 4: Johnson's a guy, I have some shares in in the

580
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Speaker 4: leagues that I'm in because I can draft him in

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Speaker 4: number one undisputed.

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Speaker 3: Right, There's there's.

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Speaker 4: Feeling and whatever, but it's he's the number one guy

584
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Speaker 4: and you're drafting him as a back end three in leads, right,

585
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Speaker 4: So if it clicks at all, you're feeling pretty good.

586
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Speaker 4: The other situation, that's curious, and we can extend this

587
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: team by team is the Packers, Right, we make a

588
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: lot of you know what Jordan loves making for the

589
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Speaker 4: year versus the composite salary of all the receivers and

590
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Speaker 4: tight ends. But you know, Reid looks like he's the

591
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Speaker 4: guy for receptions. But does that translate to fantasy glory?

592
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I took a flyer on Dontavian Wicks.

593
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: See there you go because of just of what people

594
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Speaker 1: have said, But I feel like they say a lot

595
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Speaker 1: of those things about every Packers wide receiver. But my

596
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Speaker 1: money is going to go on Wis. We saw the

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Speaker 1: preseason and the opener against the Brons, he scored on

598
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Speaker 1: a big touchdown and that may be feast or famine

599
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Speaker 1: with him. But if I wanted any of the four,

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Speaker 1: you're right read maybe the one for volume, But I

601
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Speaker 1: think I would rather just take Wis and see what

602
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Speaker 1: I got roll the dice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And as we've talked about a bunch and I've

604
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Speaker 4: harped on it on every yelling vehicle, half the coordinators

605
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Speaker 4: offensive and defensive changed out in the National Football League

606
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Speaker 4: this year. So from a philosophical stand like we had

607
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: a handful of head coaches, but literally I think it

608
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: was thirty one total offensive and defensive coordinators tapped down.

609
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: Now they might have been with the organization in another capacity,

610
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Speaker 4: but you know, taking that title and moving over to

611
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Speaker 4: the big chair. So that means the first couple weeks

612
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Speaker 4: of the season might get some fireworks in a little

613
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Speaker 4: bit of chaos in terms of what your expectations are.

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Speaker 1: All right, there's our wide receiver talk for our preseason edition.

615
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Speaker 1: We obviously will be talking a lot about wide receivers

616
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Speaker 1: when the regular season gets underway, which is in the

617
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Speaker 1: very very near future. But we're going to wrap up

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Speaker 1: this edition of the podcast with tight ends. Yes, Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelcey no longer the king of the Mountain Mark Andrews.

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Speaker 1: I thought last year's supplanted Kelsey in that spot, but

621
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Speaker 1: was Andrews able to hold on to spot Numero uno?

622
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Speaker 1: All of that and so much more and what is

623
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Speaker 1: now a deep position of tight end? He's Mike karmanant

624
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Speaker 1: Dan Byer. That's next tier on I want your fleck.

625
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Speaker 1: I actually think tight ends are now fun to talk about.

626
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Speaker 1: There was a point, Mike in our seasons of the

627
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Speaker 1: past where it just felt like it was Travis Kelcey

628
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Speaker 1: and and maybe everyone else and then Kelsey. Last year,

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Speaker 1: I felt we were really high on Mark Andrews and

630
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Speaker 1: what he was doing with the Ravens, but not Andrews

631
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Speaker 1: has the injury. Last season, Kelsey didn't have a great year.

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Speaker 1: We have some newcomers emerging at the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: Who's your metal stand of tight ends entering twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 3: I dig it. You can go back even further.

635
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Speaker 4: Dan, Remember it was Gonzales sharp and you sure, and

636
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Speaker 4: you didn't even want a tight end after that because

637
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: nobody caught the ball. She thought it was like it

638
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Speaker 4: was a kicker or a defense. To the final rounds.

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Speaker 1: I remember the days of taking Jay Novachek. They're going like,

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Speaker 1: all right, good, I got I got an advantage here

641
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Speaker 1: at the tight end position.

642
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Speaker 3: And I got value because I drafted him nine rounds.

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Speaker 4: Those other than two guys, all right, number one first

644
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Speaker 4: and foremost, I've got Laporta looking at the Detroit offense

645
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: and what he was able to do coming in. Andrew's

646
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Speaker 4: a guy I love, but he falls out of the

647
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Speaker 4: metal stand out of my top five because of it

648
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Speaker 4: because of injury concern all right, which means Isaiah likely

649
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: has gone tick up the board on the other side,

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Speaker 4: So we got him, so laporter number one, I've got

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Speaker 4: Trade McBride coming in at number two, a bit of

652
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Speaker 4: an upset. And then third because while we're waiting to

653
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: see how the wide receiver course shakes out, Dalton Kincaid

654
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: in Buffalo at all.

655
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: Three, go big or go home. I really like Dalton

656
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Kincaid as well, and I think that there's there's reason

657
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: to be optimistic. The subtraction of stuff on Diggs something

658
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: that we talked about. I am I am impressed Mike

659
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Harmon with that that trio. How did you settle on

660
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: McBride coming in at number two.

661
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: Again, it's, you know, as we talked about a little

662
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: bit with the wide receiver position in Harrison coming along,

663
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: the expectation that we're going to see more from Kyler Murray.

664
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 4: And then you look at what Peve McBride did down

665
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: the stretch from week thirteen on. You had a twenty

666
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: two point nine point performance, a bye week, another twenty

667
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: point performance, and then a nine, a ten point eight,

668
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: a twelve point four, and a ten point seven. I'm

669
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: getting double digits down the stretch. And that's when Kyler

670
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: Murray was back and running around. So anticipating maybe some

671
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: scramble drills, maybe some jail break kind of opportunities, but

672
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: some balance in the offense. He finished as tight end

673
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: number seven last year. Dan, It's kind of curious, right,

674
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: you had the one thousand yard receiver six between seven

675
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: sixty one and nine eighty four, So three of them

676
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: at nine to fifty plus Ingram the one hundred one

677
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: hundred reception year three head between eighty five and one

678
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: hundred reception. That's Hockinson, Kelsey, and Laporte. Obviously Hockinson injured

679
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 4: to start things. Laport of the one guy with double

680
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: digit touchdowns, and he had seven tight ends that got

681
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: over one hundred targets, So a lot deeper this time

682
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: around than what we've seen. Rounding out my five were

683
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 4: Kelsey and then Ingram.

684
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what about Kyle Pitts. He was not a

685
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: one hundred target guy. But you have a new quarterback,

686
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: you have a new system in Atlanta. Where are you

687
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts?

688
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: See?

689
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 4: Unlike I think most of the Fantasy Brethren, I haven't

690
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 4: seen it yet. I've seen too much of the Kyle

691
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: Pitts disappears or has quiet performances. So I've got him tenth. Okay,

692
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: so I've got Andrew six Ferguson seven, number two wide

693
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: receiver in Dallas right now, Dallas Goddard coming back from injury.

694
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: I've got an eight Kittle at nine.

695
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: Because I don't trust him going through seventeen games and

696
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: the fact that he does get used as a blocker

697
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 4: quite a bit in a decoy and then Pitts coming

698
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 4: in at ten.

699
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: I feel like George Kittle is that guy that if

700
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: you take early, you're probably gonna regret it. But if

701
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: you just sit there and wait and there's like, you know,

702
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: a part in the middle rounds where maybe you know

703
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: you let Laporta go, He's usually gonna be right after

704
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Andrews or in that sort of neighborhood Mike, and I

705
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: feel like that. I just I'm because I agree with

706
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: you on what we feel George Kittle is in health wise,

707
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: that there is this higher expectation. But I almost think

708
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: you just need to let George Kittle fall to you

709
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: if you can get him, because of the depth at

710
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: the position. If you get him at a certain spot,

711
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: I think he'll really help your team. But if you

712
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: reach for him, I don't think he's going to be

713
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: as much value as you would have hoped.

714
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: And that's I think where we're at right with the

715
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: tight end position being as deep as it is now,

716
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: because I mean there's a couple of big names I

717
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: haven't even gotten to right in terms of that top

718
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: ten mentioned Hockinson because he's a guy that, all right,

719
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: you just have to decide if I'm gonna go grab

720
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: him thinking that for the second half of the year

721
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 4: he's going to be a beast, then I've got to

722
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: come back for another tight end to at least whether

723
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: the storm the first couple of weeks. But you know,

724
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: for Kittle, it consensus in the industry off fantasy pros

725
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: he's at eight, so I'm not I'm not far off

726
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 4: in that regard.

727
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the other thing with Kittle, where like his

728
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: games are games, and I think that there's enough tight

729
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: ends to satisfy you. They can get you if you're

730
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: in a half point PPR, they could get you seven

731
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: catches for eighty six yards. But it feels like when

732
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Kittle has his games, he's also scoring touchdowns. So it's

733
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: a feast or famine for him. Heck, we saw it

734
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl right, you know, I mean it's

735
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they use him more in the blocking scenario. Heck,

736
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: if the Trent Williams situation doesn't resolve itself, and with

737
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: everything we've talked about Brandon Ayuk in the other spots,

738
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna need a more in that, you know capacity.

739
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I am. I am very finicky about George

740
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Kittle's value.

741
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 4: More than half of his Fantasy points came in five games.

742
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 3: Seven twenty seven.

743
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: He had a twenty four, a twenty, a twenty three,

744
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: and a nineteen point six. Otherwise four point nine, six,

745
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: one point nine, one point one, four point nine, Like

746
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of buster efforts in there. And then

747
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: you know, Week eighteen didn't really could do much of anything,

748
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: so you hang a star on that. But from the

749
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: sixteen he played, you know, most of the value coming

750
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: out of a third of those games played is is

751
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 4: a little bit daunting. I'd rather have it be, you know,

752
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: a nice easy wave that I ride in to shore

753
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: than really choppy to where I'm blowing chunks over the side.

754
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I was one of the last to take a tight end,

755
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I think the last to take a tight end in

756
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: our ten team league. And then so I doubled up

757
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: with Goddard and brock Bowers. There you go, Where are

758
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: you on? Boers?

759
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: I have him sitting at sixteen because I still think, well,

760
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: I still.

761
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: Think Mayer's hanging around.

762
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's the Raiders, so it's gonna be let's

763
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 4: feed DeVante Adams. Well, but let's let's feed Devontae Adams

764
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: to keep them happy. Jacoby Myers will get a decent share,

765
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 4: so especially if Minshew stays healthy and is the quarterback, right,

766
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: and they decide that they don't need to see what

767
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: Aidan O'Connell is, and they've decided that that's who he is,

768
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 4: and he's just gonna be the backup unless Minshew gets hurt.

769
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: Minshew's not gonna feel the need to go to the

770
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: tight ends necessarily as much. Yeah, right, young quarterbacks, unsteady quarterbacks,

771
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, defensive laden team, and maybe the Raid Raiders

772
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: become that, right. We like the defense. We think there's

773
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: I think they're better. I don't know that it translates

774
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 4: to wins, but you know, they're not the laughing stock

775
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: except trying to figure out, you know, if if Gardner

776
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 4: Minshew is more than a three week experiment, right, because

777
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: that's what we've seen.

778
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at just a couple of more tight

779
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: ends before we wrap this up. Some names. Maybe you're

780
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: in a deeper league, maybe you're in a guillotine league

781
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: where you got eighteen spots to whom in a lineup.

782
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Who are some other names that maybe you should target

783
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: in these drafts?

784
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: Mentioned Isaiah likely before Luke Musgrave there in green Bay,

785
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: but more the back end, you know too, with some

786
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: upside there. There's just so many options in green Bay.

787
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill a name we have to mention, right, finished

788
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 4: his I think tight end eleven or.

789
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: Twelve a year ago.

790
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was twelve again some huge games and then

791
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of disappearing acts. So you've got to, you know,

792
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 4: arrivee the lightning there because he had some games where

793
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: he was sub three points for a stretch and then

794
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 4: he had a couple of blow up performances. That helps

795
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 4: get some over in Joku in Cleveland, I've got it thirteen.

796
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Like Tim you know, like the athletic ability and just

797
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: speed and size and he looks great. I just had

798
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: more questions about his quarterback than anything else.

799
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

800
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: Uh Jamis Winston for anybody eating W's and then be remiss.

801
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: You know, Camet took a huge step forward a year ago,

802
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: and now in theory, you've got a better offense in Chicago.

803
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: So while he's got a bunch of guys to contend

804
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: with in terms of putting up monster numbers, he'll also

805
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: be able to slip out and make plays while people

806
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: are trying to figure out how to stop a Doonza

807
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: and and Alan and Moore on the outside.

808
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: All right, final one, Taysom Hill, what do we do?

809
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: I've got him eighteenth again, you know, too much of

810
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: the ride the lightning kind of situation there. But again

811
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: it goes to you know, Derek Carr as your QB.

812
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 4: I say they just send him back to Las Vegas.

813
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 4: Everybody's happy and let Spencer Rattler spin it around, which

814
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: would mean more of the tight end. But with with

815
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: car under center, means he'll will see the ball as

816
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: a quasi quarterback and tight end slash, wing back, slash

817
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 4: whatever else we're calling him. So he's gonna have a

818
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: couple of blow up games, but it's gonna be too

819
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: hard to decide when those come.

820
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the position was different. Two years ago

821
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: as well, where if you had him for the one

822
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: week and played them and he won it for you,

823
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it was worth it. But now with so much depth

824
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: and in the different guys, I don't think it's worth it.

825
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: Well, twenty three point four, eight point seven, three point one,

826
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: three point two three, Then we have a stretch where

827
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: he kind of blows up here twelve, sixteen point eight,

828
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: twenty two point five, twenty point six, and then we're

829
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: right back to four point three, eight point one, another

830
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 4: fifteen point output, didn't play a game, one point five

831
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: point two, eleven point five, eleven point nine and nine,

832
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: So you got you got some decent base. But you know,

833
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: we're looking for the consistency and I don't think New

834
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: Orleans offense is going to be able to do that.

835
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: And their coach is the first out the door.

836
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Dennis.

837
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 3: You had a good run or he had a run period.

838
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, you're a coach in the National

839
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 4: you're one at thirty two, just like Peterman.

840
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Good congratulations on a job done. Well play lane, Yes,

841
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: all right, there it is. We've done quarterbacks, we did

842
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: the running backs, and now we've done the pass catchers.

843
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: With the wide receivers and the tight ends. Now it's

844
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: time to start thinking about week one. Now, we'll do

845
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: that next time on I Want Your Flex So Big.

846
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: Thanks to Ian Roddy Are Executive Producer and for Mike

847
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Carmen or you can find at Swollen Dome. You can

848
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: find me at Dan Byer on Fox. I'm Dan Byer.

849
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: We will talk to you next time on I Want

850
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: Your Flex