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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some.

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Speaker 2: Of today's best minds.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump is back and he's using white supremacists,

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Speaker 1: blood and soil rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: We have a great show today.

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Speaker 1: Tim Alberta talks about his new book The Kingdom, The

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Speaker 1: Power and the Glory, American Evangelicals and the Age of Extremism.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Giraldo Cadava about the drifting political

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Speaker 1: alignments of Hispanic voters. But first we have the host

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Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List, the One, the Only, the Lincoln Projects,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's a Sunday, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I have a dog on my laps to keep her

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Speaker 2: We got Rick Wilson here and baby Boosephalos.

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, whatever the

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Speaker 3: hell time it is. Right now, I'm on my third

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Speaker 2: What I myself have been up for fifteen hours.

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Speaker 1: So Rick Wilson, it is a Shadenfreud Sunday right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just pouring one out for the late Desantas super

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Speaker 3: pack head of Jeff Row. Jeff Row, the guy who

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Speaker 3: had twenty twenty two, had eleven candidates and lost ten

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Speaker 3: of them, who spent one hundred million dollars people's money

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Speaker 3: the way to the White House. And they got rid

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Speaker 2: Did they fire him yesterday?

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Speaker 3: My understanding from the Tallahassee rumor mill is that they.

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Speaker 2: I love that Tallahassee rumor mail.

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Speaker 3: We grid baby, Oh, I know that they shitcanned him,

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Speaker 3: fired him, kicked his ass to the curb, told him

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Speaker 3: security guard walk him out of the building. Essentially, now,

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Speaker 3: folks don't cry for Jeff Row.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he has millions of donor docu.

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Speaker 3: Of the eighty plus a million dollars that have been

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Speaker 3: spent by Ron de Santis, sixty seven cents of every

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's incredible. Congratulations Jeff Row.

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Speaker 1: You know, look, I am just happy that money didn't

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Speaker 1: DeSantis's bad judgment for two seconds, because Ron DeSantis, if.

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Speaker 3: He had didn't have bad judgment, he had no judgment

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Speaker 1: Right, But I mean, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: Did he think that no one would ever notice that?

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Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot of vanity in all political candidates,

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is in nineteen ninety nine. I remember one day.

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Speaker 3: Well, he mostly wanted to stop pooping on your stoop.

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Speaker 1: Weeks in a row for Rudy, but I think this

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Speaker 3: As I have said for some time now, he is

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Speaker 3: And I'm thinking right now that Rudy cannot do enough

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Speaker 3: We're on fast cosmetics now.

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Speaker 1: No, in your state, the great state of maybe it's

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Speaker 3: The photo of Roseanne and the QAnon Shaman together. As

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Speaker 3: He's out of jail, and he's apparently going to Congress.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's running for Congress.

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Speaker 2: That's good. That's what you want. It's always good.

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Speaker 1: When you do crimes to then try to build a

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Speaker 2: Though it has worked for Trump, So.

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Speaker 3: There's no bottom in Florida, as you know. So essentially

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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's called Mom's for Liberty. Fact check, Jesse,

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Speaker 3: I like Rick's name better. I am fairly certain that

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Speaker 3: My job, Mollie is to be able to slip that

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Speaker 1: I think that's coming. As long as it's you and

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Speaker 2: Not that I'm casting aspersions.

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Speaker 1: That's a throwback too earlier when I said dispersions and

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a series on HBO. What is happening over

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Speaker 1: A threesome is wrong. Corey Lubandowski doesn't want to be right. No,

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Speaker 3: But with Corey's case and if no woman is wrong,

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire and Massachusetts law, the threesome cannot include a

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Speaker 2: Stop is Christ.

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Speaker 1: I swear to God the degenerate in Florida. But yes,

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Speaker 1: also serious that there are real allegations of sexual assault.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and actually wanted to get to that, Molly for

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Speaker 3: one second. As you mentioned, this would be hilarious and

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Speaker 3: The reason the story came to light was that Christian

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Speaker 3: Ziegler and his wife had been involved over a long

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someday I'll be a real boy. Right, Casey, shut up, Ron,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure as always.

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Speaker 1: Tim Alberta, as a writer at the Atlantic and author

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Speaker 4: Tim Alberta, thank you for having.

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Speaker 2: Me delighted, really delighted.

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Speaker 1: And you know that you have written so many things

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about your book.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like it's so unusual that your whole

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Speaker 1: Did you think that twenty sixteen would be the beginning

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Speaker 4: I guess, looking back at it, not really.

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Speaker 5: My own concerns with the evangelical church in which I

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Speaker 1: Will you tell us a little bit about your backstory?

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Speaker 1: How did your father get involved.

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Speaker 2: Was he born an.

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Speaker 1: Evangelical born any You really have never found a thing

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Speaker 5: So No, my dad was a fascinating, amazing character. He

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Speaker 5: kind of moment of clarity where you realize, oh, wow,

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Speaker 5: like this has gotten like we are not just off

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Speaker 5: the tracks. We are like we are like off the reservation.

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Speaker 5: We've entered a completely different dimension here of what is

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Speaker 5: the evangelical world doing? And have I willingly turned a

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Speaker 5: blind eye to just how bad this has gotten? And

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Speaker 5: I think the answer was yes. And so in many ways,

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Speaker 5: this book is sort of my trying to make amends

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Speaker 5: for that by really turning my attention to this and

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Speaker 5: trying to answer these difficult questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. I mean, I just had a death

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Speaker 1: in my family too. Is people say incredibly insane things

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Speaker 1: to you, But I always think when people say insane

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Speaker 1: things to you, it's always more about them than it

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Speaker 1: is about you. I was listening to an interview you did,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like, did they get a bad

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Speaker 1: deal or did they get a great deal? Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's an idea in Judaism and you know, I'm Jewish,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not very religious. Shabiscoy can do stuff for

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Speaker 1: you on the Sabbath that a religious Jew would not do.

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Speaker 2: That's what a shabiskoy is.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a sense with evangelicals that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is that man.

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Speaker 5: Well. I certainly think that Trump's superpower in many ways,

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Speaker 5: as it relates to his ongoing alliance with the evangelical world,

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Speaker 5: is that he is not bound by biblical ethic. That

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Speaker 5: he is, you know, he doesn't have to play by

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Speaker 5: the rules, which is I think the irony in this

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Speaker 5: relationship is that what was once perceived to be his

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Speaker 5: great weakness, you know, that he couldn't pronounce Second Corinthians

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Speaker 5: and that he couldn't cite a single verse from Scripture

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Speaker 5: and that he talked about how he didn't need to

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Speaker 5: pray for God's forgiveness.

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Speaker 4: He never had prayed for God's forgiveness.

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Speaker 5: Why would he write like all of those things that

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Speaker 5: were so cringe worthy to his Christian audience. Is at

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Speaker 5: one point I think, in many ways, is now his strength,

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Speaker 5: because yeah, he can do the dirty work. They can

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Speaker 5: contract out some of the unpleasantness of politics to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: things that they themselves might not necessarily want to do

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Speaker 5: or say. He can do them. He can say them

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Speaker 5: on their behalf, and they feel like their hands are

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Speaker 5: clean in some way, which of course is not biblical.

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Speaker 5: You are not given a pass for enabling and justifying

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Speaker 5: that sort of behavior. And ultimately, I think the folks

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Speaker 5: who have entered into this sort of mercenary con with

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, I think not only will they come to

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Speaker 5: regret it, because you know the politically it will wind

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Speaker 5: up backfiring and causing real distress for them down the road,

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Speaker 5: But I think there will be a reckoning here where

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Speaker 5: these people, sooner or later, I think, are going to

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Speaker 5: have to come to terms with the damage this has

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Speaker 5: done to the witness of Jesus Christ that if they

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Speaker 5: truly are Christians, if they truly are followers of Jesus,

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Speaker 5: then there's going to be a wake up call at

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Speaker 5: some point here when they recognize how much damage they've

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Speaker 5: done to the credibility of the Gospel.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you, because I'm going to push

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Speaker 2: back on that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is like this weird saying that people

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Speaker 1: who are good people have where they feel like and

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Speaker 1: I have it too, and I'm not even such a

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Speaker 1: good person, but like where you know, you think, well,

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Speaker 1: eventually this is gonna But so far, evangelicals have gotten

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Speaker 1: a great deal out of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Like I think he's.

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Speaker 1: Delivered more than he would have had he actually believed

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Speaker 1: any of the stuff. So I wonder, like, will there

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Speaker 1: be a reckoning? Like, you know, I always talked to

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Speaker 1: George Conway and he's like, well, the Republican Party will

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Speaker 1: eventually destroy itself. But right now they have an evangelical

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House who is probably the most evangelical

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Speaker 1: House speaker ever, right, I mean, he's super super committed.

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Speaker 2: They keep winning, don't they.

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Speaker 4: It's a fair point. I mean I would answer it

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Speaker 4: in two ways.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be just seem like a jerk here,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, my fantasy is that that happens. But

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Speaker 1: I just if you're an evangelical, don't you just feel

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Speaker 1: like we can't stop winning?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's okay, No, it's a totally legitimate point. But

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Speaker 5: I would I would say two things in response, one

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Speaker 5: sort of focused on the short term earthly implications, and

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Speaker 5: one on the much longer term eternal implications. I'll take

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Speaker 5: the second part first. In fact, so mark chapter eight,

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Speaker 5: verse thirty six. Jesus says, what doesn't profit a man

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Speaker 5: to gain the whole world world yet forfeit his soul?

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Speaker 5: And I think that that is the million dollar question

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Speaker 5: that a lot of these folks, even if they're not

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Speaker 5: grappling with it today, even if they're not grappling with

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Speaker 5: it tomorrow or next year or next election cycle, they

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Speaker 5: will sooner or later grapple with that question, even if

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Speaker 5: they refuse to acknowledge that they are grappling with that question,

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Speaker 5: because it is I think, in many ways the mirror

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Speaker 5: that we hold up to ourselves as Christians to say,

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Speaker 5: all of these pursuits in this world, are they of

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Speaker 5: any eternal consequence? And if the answer is no, and

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Speaker 5: even worse, if the answer is no, and these pursuits

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Speaker 5: have taken me away from taking me farther away from

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Speaker 5: my eternal identity, my true citizenship in heaven, and my

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Speaker 5: relationship with Jesus Christ, then that is there's nothing worse

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Speaker 5: than to come to that realization as a Christian. I

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Speaker 5: think in terms of the ephemeral political pursuits. For fifty years,

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Speaker 5: evangelicals poured themselves into the anti abortion cause. Now some

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Speaker 5: people have been far more sincere and faithful and invested

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Speaker 5: in that issue not just as a political wedge, but

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Speaker 5: actually invested in it as a matter of believing deeply

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Speaker 5: in the sanctity of human life, and have not just

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Speaker 5: used it as a sort of lazy, lowest common denominator

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Speaker 5: culture war battle, right, No, just taking abortion as an example.

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Speaker 5: For fifty years, they fought this fight, and they finally

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Speaker 5: get what they want.

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Speaker 2: Roe v.

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Speaker 4: Wade struck down. And what is the net result.

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Speaker 5: The net result, according to the data we have now,

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Speaker 5: is that the total number of abortions is higher than

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Speaker 5: it was before. I cite that in answering your question

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Speaker 5: just to say that there's this strange thing that we're

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Speaker 5: warned about throughout scripture that like, the more you long

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Speaker 5: after these things on earth, this political power, this influence,

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Speaker 5: this fame, this self glorification, the more you seek after it,

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Speaker 5: the less of it you actually get, and it becomes

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Speaker 5: this sort of trap. Whereas if you do the opposite,

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Speaker 5: as Jesus says, if you seek first the kingdom of God,

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Speaker 5: make that your priority, then all of these other things

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Speaker 5: that you think are so important they're really not, but

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Speaker 5: they'll be added unto you. In other words, if you

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Speaker 5: get your priorities straight, then suddenly you don't have to

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Speaker 5: obsess over politics and over culture wars and over trying

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Speaker 5: to dominate the country this way. And so I do

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Speaker 5: hold on to this optimism that at least at some scale, Molly,

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Speaker 5: that the tail will stop wagging the dog at some

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Speaker 5: point here, and that people who have been engaged in

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Speaker 5: this sort of reckless political idolatry will repent of it

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Speaker 5: and will get their priorities back in order.

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Speaker 1: Great, so you think that there'll be a moment where

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Speaker 1: evangelic will be like, holy moly, what are we doing.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's be clear, right like when we talk about evangelicals,

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Speaker 5: when we talk about white evangelicals.

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Speaker 2: I think we're only talking about white evangelicals here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And you know this is we're talking about

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Speaker 5: tens of millions of people. The question for me isn't

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Speaker 5: necessarily okay, does that small militant faction of hardcore Christian

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Speaker 5: nationalists who are on the war path and who are

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Speaker 5: hell bent on hijacking the institutions of government and the

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Speaker 5: institutions of Christianity in this country, Like, are we going

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Speaker 5: to convince them to stand down? Probably not, But I

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Speaker 5: also don't invest a ton of my own time worrying

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Speaker 5: about that click. I don't think that it is a

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Speaker 5: huge percentage of the evangelical world. I think that they

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Speaker 5: are really loud, and they're really well organized. But I'm

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Speaker 5: much more concentrating on the masses of evangelicals who are sort.

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Speaker 4: Of a little bit homeless right now.

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Speaker 5: They're not people who are ever going to be like

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Speaker 5: culturally and politically left, but they're also somewhere deep in

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Speaker 5: their psyche and in their spirit, pretty unsettled by what's

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Speaker 5: happened in Republican politics and by who Donald Trump is,

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Speaker 5: and really questioning like, do they have any business any

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Speaker 5: home in this Republican party. I think that identity crisis,

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Speaker 5: that political and cultural identity crisis in the evangelical world

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Speaker 5: right now. That's what I'm writing the book about. And

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the many millions of people who I

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Speaker 5: think are genuinely on the fence and who are in

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Speaker 5: a place where they could sort of break either way,

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Speaker 5: Like they could be convinced to sort of buy into

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Speaker 5: the far right Christian nationalist stuff, or they could be

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Speaker 5: sort of brought back a little bit and with the

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Speaker 5: help of their pastors and with the help of a

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Speaker 5: healthy church environment, could be reminded of where their priorities

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Speaker 5: really should be. And I think that's the battle here,

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Speaker 5: I really do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. Tim.

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Speaker 4: It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me on to talk

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 1: Giraldo Cadava is a contributing writer at The New Yorker

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Speaker 1: and author of The Hispanic Republican, The Shaping of an

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Speaker 1: American political Identity From Nisen to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics. About that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I read your article in The New Yorker. I was like,

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about this right away. So you

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Speaker 1: are a professor of history and Latin studies at Northwestern

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Speaker 1: and you've written books, but this story is really important,

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Speaker 1: and you've been writing about the Donald Trump's push for

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Speaker 1: Latino voters, So talk to me about this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was a major story after the

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty election. One of the main takeaways was that

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Speaker 6: Latino's had different political ideologies that not all Latinos fought

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Speaker 6: or believed the same thing. That was one of the

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Speaker 6: big stories coming out of twenty twenty, I think, and

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Speaker 6: ever since we've been kind of checking.

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Speaker 4: The temperature of those stories for a while.

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Speaker 6: With the twenty twenty two mid terms, how would that

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Speaker 6: go special elections in California and elsewhere? And then I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, we're gearing up for the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 6: campaign and trying to see where that story will go.

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Speaker 6: And you know, if it continues, it would be something

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Speaker 6: in germ, represent a shred un court and shift I

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Speaker 6: think in American politics, or a challenge to what many

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Speaker 6: people thought they knew about Latino voters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have Latino voters in Nevada who are from

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Speaker 1: where and where and what are they what's important to them?

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Speaker 1: Sort of give me the landscape of what the Latino

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Speaker 1: voter block looks like, and it's not a block, But

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Speaker 1: the diaspora is that the right word.

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Speaker 4: I don't know it's a right word for some Latinos.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that many Latinos are new or

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Speaker 6: recent arrivals, and many others have lived in Texas or

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Speaker 6: Arizona or New Mexico for hundreds of the years. So

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Speaker 6: it's that already kind of suggests some of it is

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Speaker 6: very compon I think it's become pretty customary to say

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Speaker 6: Latinos are not a monool.

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Speaker 4: But when people say that, I think they primarily mean

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Speaker 4: that we come from different nationality groups. We're Colombia, Ecuadorian, Venezuelan,

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Speaker 4: but we're also spread across the country. We're in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida,

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Speaker 4: and New York Illinois, and what the community looks like

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Speaker 4: in those different places is different. And I still think

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Speaker 4: though that like mentioning the different places Latinos come from,

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Speaker 4: mentioning the different nationality groups, that only really begins to

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Speaker 4: scratch the surface of all of.

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Speaker 6: The ways in which we're different. I mean, we're citizens

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Speaker 6: and non citizens. That coulds to your point about diaspora

663
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Speaker 6: versus people who've been here for hundreds of years. But

664
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Speaker 6: we're also urban, rural, religious, non religious, Democrat, Republican. So

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Speaker 6: all of these I mean, we're young, we're old, we're

666
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Speaker 6: all over the place, I mean, which in a lot

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Speaker 6: of ways makes us like any other demographic group in America.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's still a process of continuing to

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Speaker 6: persuade Americans that we really are different in ary and gosh,

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Speaker 6: I didn't even mentioned like white, black, Indigenous, occupying every

671
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Speaker 6: point along an ethnic and racial spectrum. So all of

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Speaker 6: these are the ways in which Latinos are different. I

673
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Speaker 6: think we do need to dig a little deeper than

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Speaker 6: just noting that we're from different nationality groups and live

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Speaker 6: in different parts of the country, because there are all

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Speaker 6: sorts of occidents even within particular geographies and nationality groups.

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Speaker 6: The important thing right now is that an unfortunate reality

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Speaker 6: of our electoral system is that elections are decided in

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Speaker 6: just a handful of states, right and those states now

680
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Speaker 6: are like Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. And these are also

681
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Speaker 6: places with large enough Latino populations to sway the elections

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Speaker 6: that I'm still not convinced that like when a Democrat

683
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Speaker 6: or Republican Caunadia goes to Wisconsin, that they realize that

684
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Speaker 6: they're also talking to like Latino dairy farmers or Latinos

685
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Speaker 6: who live their whole lives in the West, or when

686
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Speaker 6: they go to central Pennsylvania, they're also talking to large

687
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Speaker 6: Puerto Rican populations. And so I think, you know, the

688
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 6: map of Latinos is expanding in places that are important politically.

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Speaker 6: So who are the Latinos Trumps going for. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that in his own mind he's so

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Speaker 6: sophisticated about how to micro target particular Latino groups. I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure, but that's that's actually been true of many

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Speaker 6: Republican candidates.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I don't think like Mitt Romi even, for example, I

696
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Speaker 6: don't think they were about picking apart the South Florida

697
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Speaker 6: population compared with the Arizona or California population. I think

698
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Speaker 6: what Republicans try to do is just kind of articulate

699
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Speaker 6: these broad principles like anti socialism, anti communism, family values,

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Speaker 6: religious liberty, pro business attitudes, those kinds of things, and

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Speaker 6: they it's kind of like a blanket approach, which on

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Speaker 6: the one hand, is sort of offensive in the sense

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Speaker 6: that you know, they're not really trying to pay attention

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Speaker 6: to what particular Latino communities believe. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 6: I think they are tapping into something that many Latinos

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Speaker 6: will leave across the country.

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Speaker 4: So I would say, like the strongest suit for Trump

708
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Speaker 4: when it comes to Latinos of all strike TuS to

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Speaker 4: do with, you know, support for charter schools, support for

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Speaker 4: religious liberty, support for slashing financial regulations giving small business owners,

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Speaker 4: well those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: So, and the goal is to sort of get Latino

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Speaker 1: voters in Nevada, Arizona, Florida.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that is the goal.

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I think, you know, the approach for

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Speaker 6: Republicans for a long time has really been to kind

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Speaker 6: of like deal away just enough of the Latino vote

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Speaker 6: to win narrow elections. I do feel like for Republicans

719
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Speaker 6: generally now that calculus is shifting a little bit and

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Speaker 6: it seems like they really are trying to make a

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Speaker 6: play for Latinos everywhere. And you know, that's interesting because

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Speaker 6: it has never happened. I mean, and that's important probably

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Speaker 6: for listeners understand. I mean, the reason that there's so

724
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Speaker 6: much attention to the stories that we're not we're not

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Speaker 6: talking about Republicans winning the Latino vote. We're talking about

726
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Speaker 6: Republicans just improving their performance among Latinos. You know, historically

727
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Speaker 6: the average Latino support for Republicans has been somewhere between

728
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Speaker 6: like a quarter and a third of the Latino population.

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Speaker 6: And obviously that's not amazing. I mean, that's not something

730
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Speaker 6: that any party trying to get to fifty percent would

731
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Speaker 6: be doing somersaults about or anything. But like, as that

732
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Speaker 6: number creeps up to thirty eight percent, which is what

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Speaker 6: Trump won in twenty twenty, or if recent polls. Oh

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Speaker 6: and by the way, Mali, I know how much you

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Speaker 6: love polls I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: Because we should put we should.

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Speaker 6: Put all of our stock in all of our hopes

738
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Speaker 6: and dreams and Schudent's polls when we're talking.

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Speaker 1: About polls, because I do want to like bring this

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Speaker 1: up because I do hate poles. But in that last

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Speaker 1: midterm election, there was a lot of polling that said

742
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Speaker 1: that Democrats were going to lose the Latino vote, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't.

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Speaker 6: Right, right, absolutely, And you know, I think they're at

745
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 6: has been a lot of arguing about exactly how Latinos voted.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think from the Democrats perspective, between twenty

747
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Speaker 6: and twenty twenty two. They had grown so tired and

748
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Speaker 6: frustrated with this story that Latinos are weleeing from the

749
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Speaker 6: Democratic Party and running toward Republicans that they were prepared

750
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Speaker 6: to see even a stalemate as and by stalemate again,

751
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Speaker 6: I don't mean fifty to fifty, I mean like holding

752
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Speaker 6: stable between twenty and twenty twenty two, they were prepared

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Speaker 6: to declare victory. Now, you did see a lot of

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Speaker 6: like Latino advocacy organizations like Nidocus and the Latino pollsters,

755
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Speaker 6: Democratic pollsters like Matt Barrettel and others talking about, oh,

756
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Speaker 6: you know, Latinos came home in the twenty twenty two

757
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Speaker 6: midterm election. They came back. We told you, I think

758
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 6: this narrative was crazy. But the more analysis was done

759
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Speaker 6: of actual voting results after the twenty twenty two mid

760
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Speaker 6: terms by firms like ECHI Research, Catalysts and others. The

761
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Speaker 6: picture that emerged was that, yeah, there was not a

762
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Speaker 6: red waves as many had been fearing or anticipating. But

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Speaker 6: Democrats or Latinos also did not come home to Democrats.

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Speaker 6: It was as Carlos Odio from Echi's Research and for

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Speaker 6: your listeners, I mean, I think I would just say

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Speaker 6: that Carlos Odio and Echis research, they do amazing work

767
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Speaker 6: in there. Some Latino analysts high quality. Should you should

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Speaker 6: be paying attention to them. Nonpartisan? I mean they're Democrats.

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Speaker 6: They were, you know, I think definitely Byalentcia and Carlos Odio,

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Speaker 6: they both worked in the Obama administration. Thing are Democrats,

771
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Speaker 6: but they aren't I think partisan in their approach to

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Speaker 6: reading data about Latinos.

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Speaker 4: And you know, their.

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Speaker 6: Conclusion was that the twenty twenty two mid terms largely

775
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Speaker 6: offered a picture of stability and that yes, there wasn't

776
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Speaker 6: further erosion, but nor was there kind of like coming

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Speaker 6: back to the Democratic Party. That might look a little

778
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Speaker 6: bit different in places like Nevada or Arizona, where Democrats

779
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Speaker 6: were really eager to say that Latinos won the election there.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I've also seen interesting analyses that have

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Speaker 6: that the real difference in twenty twenty two in places

782
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Speaker 6: like Arizona, Nevatta was you know, white liberals, white progressives

783
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Speaker 6: kind of overperforming for Democrats, and that even in those places,

784
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Speaker 6: the Latino vote was about the same as it was

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Right, so you didn't lose them you might not have grown,

787
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: but you didn't lose them.

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Speaker 6: If you're talking about Republicans, yes you didn't continue to

789
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 6: win Latino support, but you didn't lose them. And if

790
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Speaker 6: you're talking about Democrats, it didn't come home, but nor

791
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Speaker 6: did they move further to the right.

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Speaker 1: It is an off off your election too, which I

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Speaker 1: think is an important data point. But can we talk

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Speaker 1: about Univision? What's happened with Univision? Because this is really interesting.

795
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Speaker 1: So what has happened with Univision?

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Speaker 6: It's it is interesting, and you know, I think it's

797
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Speaker 6: kind of indicative. The Democrats response to that, the liberal

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Speaker 6: Latinos response to what happened at univisuals to my mind

799
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Speaker 6: nobs like indicative of part of their problem. So basically,

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Speaker 6: what happened is that Univision, for the first time in

801
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Speaker 6: twenty two years, as their executives that pointed out, didn't

802
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Speaker 6: interview with a current or former US president or who

803
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Speaker 6: is a Republican, a former or a current Republican.

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Speaker 4: Candidate or president.

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Speaker 6: This is confusing when talking about Trump because he's both

806
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Speaker 6: a former president and a candidate. So that's why I'm

807
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 6: probably tripping over my words a little bit. But that

808
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 6: felt to many Democrats and liberal Latinos like the network

809
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 6: had taken a sharp turn to the right and it

810
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Speaker 6: was now as like the actor John like Guizamo called

811
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Speaker 6: it Magavision or something else I can't even remember, but anyway,

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Speaker 6: liberal Latinos were like really frustrated, and you know, I

813
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Speaker 6: talked to Republican strategists who are Latino who said things like, well,

814
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Speaker 6: you know, their reaction is just because they have had

815
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Speaker 6: Boonievcalan in their pockets for so long that any sort

816
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 6: of move to the center feels like a betrayal, it

817
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: feels like opposition. And I do think that Bunibcian also,

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Speaker 6: you know, they began what seems like a pretty reasonable

819
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Speaker 6: strategy to move to the center, as they claim to

820
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Speaker 6: represent the interests of their viewers broadly. But they kind

821
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Speaker 6: of like started that move to the center pretty boldly

822
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Speaker 6: by having us sit down with Donald Trump and kind

823
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Speaker 6: of letting him say whatever he wanted to say. And

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Speaker 6: I also think that liberals have a point when they

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Speaker 6: say that Enrique Acevedo, the anchor the Mexican Ankle from

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Speaker 6: Pelavisa interviewed Trump didn't push back as hard as he

827
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Speaker 6: might have when it came to, you know, spurious claims

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Speaker 6: about winning the twenty twenty election. I mean a Savelo

829
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Speaker 6: was not confrontational. Now Unison says that that is going

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Speaker 6: to be their approach. They would let Biden do the

831
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Speaker 6: same thing, and the point is to let their audience

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Speaker 6: members hear from candidates themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly is this.

834
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Speaker 2: A new tactic for Univision?

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Speaker 6: So you know, Wion has explicitly said that in twenty

836
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Speaker 6: twenty four they're going to not necessarily give equal airtime

837
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Speaker 6: to Republicans, independents and Democrats, but they're going to I

838
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Speaker 6: think they called it equity. They're going to certainly air

839
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Speaker 6: programming with Republican, independent and candidates. I even read that

840
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Speaker 6: they are next hoping to get Nikki Haley to sit

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Speaker 6: down for so that that is a new approach for

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Speaker 6: unibe stowne I think.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, are they getting pushed back and do

844
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Speaker 1: you think there will be pushback and sort of talk

845
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Speaker 1: us through that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they've gotten an enormous amount of pushback. I mean

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Speaker 6: John Leguizamo again like called for a boycott of UNIBC

848
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Speaker 6: on much like Latinos called for a boycott of Goya

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Speaker 6: Bean's after the CEO Robert and Menway, you know, gave

850
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Speaker 6: gave kind of laudatory remarks about Donald Trump in the

851
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Speaker 6: summer of twenty twenty. So there's been a lot of

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Speaker 6: pushback in some local markets. You know, people have been

853
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Speaker 6: told that you know, local networks that are unibc ON

854
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Speaker 6: affiliates have you know, decided that they're going to kind

855
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Speaker 6: of go against the broader company initiative to give kind

856
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 6: of Republicans, independence and Democrats school air time. So there

857
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Speaker 6: is there is pushback. I think personally, I think the

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Speaker 6: pushback is is risky in the sense that unibcon is

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Speaker 6: still going to be really important as as the network

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Speaker 6: that kind of commands the largest Spanish speaking audience across

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Speaker 6: the nation. I mean, by boycotting UCON, they would risk

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Speaker 6: kind of losing this important platform that they've had for

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Speaker 6: a long time. Personally, I'm also not convinced yet that

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Speaker 6: the decision to have an interview with Donald Trump means

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Speaker 6: that the network written large, is like moving hard to

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Speaker 6: the right. Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I think a lot to watch, a lot to see.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the network had talked about how they had

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Speaker 6: offered Biden an interview months ago and the details were

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Speaker 6: still being negotiated. Now, Biden's team says that they were

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Speaker 6: never offered an interview until right before Trump's interview, So

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Speaker 6: you know, we'll see, I mean, we'll see. I think

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of suspicion about Televisa, the Mexican company

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Speaker 6: acquiring Unibcon. There's a lot of suspicion about how the

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Speaker 6: head of televis side is a personal acquaintance of Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 6: and Kushner helped arrange the interviews. So there's some suspicion there.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not convinced yet that this symbolizes a sharp

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Speaker 6: to the right for when neb see on. But the

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Speaker 6: one thing I was going to say that's representative to

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Speaker 6: me in the liberal Latino's reaction to the Universion interview

881
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Speaker 6: is that their strategy right now seems to be to

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Speaker 6: just express as much outrage as possible about Trump's immigration policies.

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Speaker 6: The very fact that you are an interview with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: and I think it's important for liberal Latinos instead of,

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Speaker 6: you know, expressing outrage about immigration policies and making no

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Speaker 6: mistake about it, these are horrific immigration policies, no doubt

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Speaker 6: about it. I want to be clear about that. But

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Speaker 6: it seems to me like the outrage of liberal Latinos

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Speaker 6: about fronts lies and immigration policies has not really made

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Speaker 6: a dent in his support from Latinos. And I would

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Speaker 6: also like to say that, you know, I know, there's

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Speaker 6: this whole debate, a really important bit about how to

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Speaker 6: cover Trump and like, do we focus on the threat

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Speaker 6: to democracy, the potential for authoritarian rule, or do we

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Speaker 6: treat him like any other normal Republican candidate out there

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Speaker 6: on the trail, talking about religious freedom and charter schools

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Speaker 6: and pro business policies, things that Republicans have done for decades.

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Speaker 6: And you know, that's something I wrestle with in my

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Speaker 6: own writing too. But for me, the reason that that

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Speaker 6: question is so important for Latinos is that Latinos are

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Speaker 6: a group that for so long has been ignored and

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Speaker 6: taken for granted that to me, it is important to

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Speaker 6: talk about their kind of regular old policy views as

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Speaker 6: a way of acknowledging that Latinos believe different things, like

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Speaker 6: the fact that Latinos believe different things about charter schools

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Speaker 6: and business and evangelicalism. That to me is an important

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Speaker 6: part of recognizing their humanity and thinkers as political actors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, though important to just say once.

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Speaker 1: Again that Trump is not He's not a normal candidate,

910
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Speaker 1: though neither is Ron DeSantis. They're both shopping that same

911
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: anti democratic, terrifying vision, which is against everything the founders

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Speaker 1: had intended. He yes, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Not to put too fine a point on it.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, I mean it is thank you, thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: of course, no moment, Rick Wilson, Yes, Wally drunk fast.

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Speaker 1: It is time to do our favorite slash only segment,

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Speaker 1: What is your moment of fuckery?

918
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Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery is the classic the returning champion,

919
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Speaker 3: the douchebag Supreme, Donald John Trump.

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Speaker 2: We call him El duche.

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Speaker 3: L duche This week yesterday, in point of fact, he

922
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Speaker 3: gave a speech because he can't stop himself in New Hampshire,

923
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Speaker 3: the Great State of the Granite State, the Great State

924
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Speaker 3: of New.

925
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Speaker 2: Hampshire, where he's pretty convinced he might lose to Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 2: He's always freaking out.

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Speaker 3: He's a little worried about that. He's out of it.

928
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Speaker 3: He's getting out of Iowa and going into New Hampshire,

929
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Speaker 3: and he praised Victor orbon the best, who is a

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Speaker 3: raging authoritarian, not a conservative, he is a dictator. And

931
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Speaker 3: then he quoted approvingly and lovingly. I look, and I

932
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Speaker 3: guess it's because the end of the quarter is coming

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Speaker 3: up and he wants his performance. Bonus Vladimir fucking Putin, the.

934
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Speaker 2: One international leader he loves.

935
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Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin's critiques of America. Trump is reflecting and quoting them,

936
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Speaker 3: and not in a way saying fuck you Putin, I

937
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Speaker 3: will stand against you. It's more like, ooh, lad, can

938
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Speaker 3: I rub your feet? They look so callous?

939
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Speaker 2: Ooh the other thing.

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Speaker 3: He did, And he's been doing this a lot lately,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, I do not give him a pass

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Speaker 3: on this because he's an ignorant, a historical fuck wit.

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 3: He has been quoting a line where he says immigrants

945
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Speaker 3: are poisoning the blood of our country. Oh really, Donald,

946
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Speaker 3: is there something with the soil as well? Blood in soil?

947
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Speaker 3: It seems to have a ring to it. I did

948
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Speaker 3: not see that coming. Like God, listen, guys, everybody used

949
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Speaker 3: to strap the fuck in because Trump is discovered.

950
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Speaker 2: That he's going full Nazi, full Nazi thing.

951
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Speaker 3: He's got the works out for him.

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Speaker 2: White nationalists.

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Speaker 1: Again, it was another week of people saying that Trump

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to be Hitler, which again, if you have

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Speaker 1: to specify, perhaps you might be in trouble.

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Speaker 3: A lot of your close friends at an influential journal

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Speaker 3: of opinion believe.

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Speaker 2: That, called the National Review.

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Speaker 1: We had Rich Lowry on his podcast, cut up and

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Speaker 1: put on Twitter saying that he thought institutions would once

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Speaker 1: again protect us from Donald Trump. And you know, he's

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Speaker 1: saying the quiet part which everyone behind the scenes is saying,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: The Justice League right exactly.

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Speaker 1: The people who are in the halls of power on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side are trying to convince themselves that Trump

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Speaker 1: won't be the end of democracy, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: all of us know, including Trump, who says I'm going

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Speaker 1: to end democracy. You know, and then you ask his

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00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: followers and they go like, oh, we need a dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: It's time for a dictatorship.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that will save us from Joe Biden

973
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Speaker 1: wanting to make chips in the United States and giving

974
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Speaker 1: poor kids free lunches will be a dictatorship.

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Speaker 3: This is a moment where if our actual institutions do

976
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Speaker 3: not wake the fuck up and recognize what is happening,

977
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Speaker 3: it's going to be like Remember I was told very

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Speaker 3: very confidently by many, many, many people in twenty sixteen

979
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Speaker 3: though there's no way Trump could win. He's an asshole.

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Speaker 2: I know.

981
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Speaker 3: I was one of those people for a while. But

982
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Speaker 3: the fact that he is doing this openly now there's

983
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Speaker 3: folks Google Red Caesar and you will go down the

984
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Speaker 3: rabbit hole of what is going on here. They're prepping

985
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Speaker 3: the battlefield not to have a Republican versus democratic fight,

986
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Speaker 3: but a fight that is do you want a dictator

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Speaker 3: or do you want an American president? And there are

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Speaker 3: unfortunately seventy million Americans who want a dictator or they

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Speaker 3: think it's going to work out for them right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they want a dictator, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think they understand what a dictator means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are not in a great spot right now

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Speaker 3: as a.

994
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Speaker 2: Nation, not in a great spot.

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Speaker 3: We are not in a good place right now. And

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Speaker 3: if people don't start I think the technical term is

997
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Speaker 3: waking the fuck up, we are going to have a real, bad, bad.

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Speaker 1: Very Unmarry Christmas Yeah, as many bibars.

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Speaker 3: E Christmas twenty twenty four might not look like anything

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Speaker 3: you've ever imagined before, because they'll be Yes, they'll be

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Speaker 3: salivating to begin the thousand year Reich of Trump.

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Speaker 2: The good news is we'll be in Gitmo.

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Speaker 3: Well speak for yourself. I have a getaway plan. Thanks, Rick,

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Speaker 3: all right, have a great one.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds

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Speaker 1: in pology makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend

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