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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday, Am Holly Fry.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Oh, Tracy. We talked about Francis

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Speaker 1: Centerton this week, and I love him. I bet he

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Speaker 1: was probably a pill in person because he was so

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily privileged and used to getting his way. But I

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Speaker 1: also think he seems fascinating. Yeah. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: have a ridiculous amount of money and uh, I want

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Speaker 1: to spend it on something, why why not using dogs?

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Speaker 1: Mhm um. I have so many things that I want

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Speaker 1: to touch on that didn't make it into the episode one.

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Speaker 1: I bet people are wondering what kind of dogs were those? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, yep um. And part of it is

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Speaker 1: because they're written up very differently, even in contemporary accounts,

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Speaker 1: where some talk about his thoroughbread dogs and others are like,

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Speaker 1: he picks up any dog off the streets of Paris,

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Speaker 1: so I we have no idea. That's like a pretty

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Speaker 1: wide range of possibility. Dog breeds and the idea of

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Speaker 1: dog breeds and how we breed dogs like that's changed

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Speaker 1: a lot over the left a couple of centuries to yes,

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Speaker 1: so um that we don't know. I like to call

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Speaker 1: that breed loved. Sure. Um, they sound like they were

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Speaker 1: very adored. Uh. The other thing I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about was his chef Viard, because this struck me as

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Speaker 1: so bizarre. Right, It's like the equivalent. I want to

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Speaker 1: make this clear to people in terms of how famous

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Speaker 1: and well known as chef was. It would be like

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Speaker 1: if I hired Jose Andres to cook for my cats,

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Speaker 1: Like it's so weird. Which, by the way, if you've

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Speaker 1: never been to one of his restaurants, get thee too

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Speaker 1: it immediately. Um. I have been to several different ones

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Speaker 1: and they're all spectacular. Uh. And also donate to World

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Speaker 1: Central Kitchen if you if you have money that you

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Speaker 1: can do that with, because he is amazing in that

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Speaker 1: charity is the one for me. Um. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: the idea that this incredibly accomplished chef was just like

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Speaker 1: here's the here's the dog's third course. Again, there's a

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Speaker 1: discussion to be had about waste and how actually spend

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Speaker 1: money at a time when people in Paris did not

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Speaker 1: have all that they needed. Um as I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody were ever in any any industrialized although they weren't

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Speaker 1: industrialized yet. But in any big society like that, where

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Speaker 1: there are things like a noble hierarchy, there are always

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Speaker 1: people that don't have what they need. So there is

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Speaker 1: a story that I found a mention of thirty years

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Speaker 1: after he died, and I couldn't find the like provenance

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Speaker 1: for it, which is that it was just like this

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Speaker 1: mention that came up in a paper that three I

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Speaker 1: think it was three coins had been added to I

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Speaker 1: believe the Royal Society's collection. These coins had been minted,

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Speaker 1: according to this very brief right up that I found

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Speaker 1: in an at duties paper, had been minted by Francis

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Speaker 1: Edgerton so that they could be strewn about in the

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Speaker 1: rivers of England and France in the hopes that people

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Speaker 1: of the future would find them and think he was

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Speaker 1: like some great and important person. That's kind of awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love it, But like I said, I couldn't find

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Speaker 1: enough information to back that up to put it in

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Speaker 1: the actual episode. But that's so like exactly the kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff I would do if I had that level

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Speaker 1: of cash. I mean, I already hope that people accidentally

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Speaker 1: think Grito is an actual religious figure when they one

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Speaker 1: day unearthed my house. But but I really like the

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Speaker 1: idea of I'm gonna have a coin designed that's movie,

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Speaker 1: and I think he had included Again, it was a

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Speaker 1: brief writ up, but it sounded like he must have

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Speaker 1: included wording on the coin about his literary accomplishments because

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Speaker 1: he specifically wanted to be known as an important writer

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Speaker 1: by people hundreds of years in the future. So fascinating. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the manipulation of history as it will be seen in

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Speaker 1: the future with your money right now is a very

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Speaker 1: interesting idea to contemplate. Yeah, and scary, yes, but in

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Speaker 1: this case more funny. Right, This is a pretty benign

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Speaker 1: expression of that possibility someone will think he's more important

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Speaker 1: than he was. Sure, go for it, Francis, Um, he

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Speaker 1: seems like a hoot. I hope he was a delightful

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Speaker 1: person and not crabby other than yelling about his dogs

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Speaker 1: descriptions of his personal behavior. Yeah, well, and it's uh,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, really, if all if if most of

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here is having a cheft to

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Speaker 1: and now I have it. I'm going hog wild with

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Speaker 1: a life. Yeah. The shoes GREEDO bless you, Francis Edgerton.

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Speaker 1: I understand, understand. Um, I feel like that's a cautionary

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Speaker 1: tale that I tell Brian because we already have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a shoe storage problem and I could

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Speaker 1: be like, I could be like this, I hate to

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Speaker 1: be that stereotype of a person who loves shoes and

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Speaker 1: can't buy enough shoes. But I am exactly what that is.

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Speaker 1: Um any case, this week on the show, we talked

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Speaker 1: there's there's been so much writing on the Chariot factions

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Speaker 1: but then also having seen various riots after whatever team

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Speaker 1: is right, I will confess this story activates like all

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Speaker 1: of my darkest nihilist thoughts where I'm just like, well,

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Speaker 1: humans are never going to get any better. We might

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Speaker 1: as well give up into the terrible way. But it's

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Speaker 1: We point out all the time that nope, it's all

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Speaker 1: those things where I'm like, never getting any better, just

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Speaker 1: just having that moment today. Yeah. Well, and a couple

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Speaker 1: happened before in Constantinople and other times of unrest. Procopious

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Speaker 1: you can there's places you can read it online for free. Wow,

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Speaker 1: is it bizarre? And some of the stuff that it

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Speaker 1: published posthumously. M hmm. And I'm clearly applying modern thinking

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Speaker 1: friend Fix Slam Journal, we don't know. We So I

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Speaker 1: them was like, he might have written this thing basically

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Speaker 1: you know, speculation that maybe it was just a personal vendetta,

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Speaker 1: scandalous Um. It doesn't even read like The Onion. It

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Speaker 1: reads like the terrible websites that think they're the Onion,

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Speaker 1: but they're just making stuff up with no satirical element

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Speaker 1: how um how the role of emperor has operated in

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that I've had way more

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Speaker 1: about than like, that's a huge death toll for one event, right,

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Speaker 1: potential that that number was exaggerated in some way unclear.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that was some year old sports violence for everybody. Uh,

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Speaker 1: coincidentally recorded immediately after the super Bowl, Right, So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I hope there's not some kind of mass super Bowl

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Speaker 1: violence this year because that might seem inappropriate. Anyway, whatever

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