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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com, joined by Paul Ta Tino.

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Speaker 1: Giants getting ready to take on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: in Daniel Jones's debut for the New York Football Giants,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of been the story all week, Paul, and

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Speaker 1: I was on Monday after Pat Shermer kind of opened

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Speaker 1: the door for it before we got the official news

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Well, on Tuesday, rather what was gonna happen. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that happened quickly, more quickly than I

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Speaker 1: thought it was gonna happen. And if you guys want

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Speaker 1: to call and talk about that, you can. But now

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Speaker 1: he gets his first start against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Paul,

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Speaker 1: and It's not an easy team to get your first

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Speaker 1: start against. Because I know a lot of fans probably

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Speaker 1: think of the Bucks as the same team they wore

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Speaker 1: the last two years with Mike Smith as their defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator when they were near the bottom of the league. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what, that's not what they are anymore. Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: has transformed this defense. They stopped the run. They blitz

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Speaker 1: more than any any other team in the league. And

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is gonna have his hands full blitzes on

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Speaker 1: passing down, blitz is on third downs. Uh. Todd Bowls

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Speaker 1: is very aggressive. He will show a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He will try to confuse you, a lot of pre

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Speaker 1: snap motion, a lot of dropping out and bluffing and

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Speaker 1: and ghosts. And you know he's gonna look at this

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Speaker 1: quarterback and say, hey, Daniel, welcome to the NFL. Get

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Speaker 1: a load of this. And it's really gonna be up

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Speaker 1: to the Giants, not only the offensive line, but obviously,

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Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley in the backfield to help pick up

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Speaker 1: the pressure. And let's not forget this part, John, It's

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Speaker 1: very important for the receivers and the tight ends to

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Speaker 1: get their hot reads because if they don't, then Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones is gonna be stuck holding the back well. And

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Speaker 1: he can't hold the football either, not just the bag,

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Speaker 1: he can't hold the football that he has to get

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly. But you know, sometimes young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks want to if that first thing is not there,

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Speaker 1: they want to try to hold it. You know, they

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Speaker 1: pat the ball, they look to the second, second guy.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be pretty quick and decisive, which

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Speaker 1: is something I thought he was pretty good at in preseason,

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Speaker 1: but very good at the point that we heard from

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Speaker 1: Phil Simms when he talked to Bob Popa on the

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Speaker 1: Giant Subtle podcast. Make sure you go check that out.

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Speaker 1: What he saw in the preseason is gonna be nothing

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Speaker 1: like what he sees in this first regular season game.

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Speaker 1: And the Buccaneers they are more than fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: the time man, probably around a six man team either

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Speaker 1: Cover one or Cover zero. When they blitz they are

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Speaker 1: even more than that a man team. But they will

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Speaker 1: show some Cover three that was about eighteen percent of

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Speaker 1: the time. They will show some Cover four which is

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Speaker 1: too safety deep. That's about eighteen percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: So I bet you Bowls is not just gonna show

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Speaker 1: man man man because man is easy for a young

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback to read Paul. He's gonna to mix those

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Speaker 1: coverages up a little bit to try to confuse Jones

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Speaker 1: as much as he can, and we'll see how he's

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Speaker 1: able to handle it. There's no question about that, John.

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Speaker 1: I I just think that, you know, if there's any

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Speaker 1: good thing about this for Daniel Jones, it's that it

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Speaker 1: is a road game. The glare of the spotlight, if

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Speaker 1: the game we're home, would probably be at least twice

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Speaker 1: think he'll get much phased by it. But it's still

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Speaker 1: your first regular season NFL game, and the se Jvan

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Speaker 1: Barkley said, you've been dreaming about this since you were

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Speaker 1: a kid, and it's impossible not to be jacked up

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Speaker 1: one when he got time in garbage time. Protecting the

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Speaker 1: ball for him is going to be very, very important

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Speaker 1: in this game against the team that is going to

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Speaker 1: go after the football. Well, why wouldn't you write, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're the Buccaneers and you saw some of the

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Speaker 1: tape during the preseason. Daniel Jones had eleven preseason possessions

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Speaker 1: Giants um and twice he did call it up as

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Speaker 1: John explained, also had the three touchdown drives in a

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Speaker 1: field goal drive. Okay, Oh, he tremendous preseason. He was excellent,

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Speaker 1: completed over of his passes all right, two touchdowns, no picks,

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Speaker 1: a lot of really good things. Again, Vanilla defenses third

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Speaker 1: But this is a totally different ball of wax, except

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Speaker 1: for the fact that you've got to protect the ball

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Speaker 1: taking the sack, then take the sack, because the last

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Speaker 1: thing in the world the Giants need him to do

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Speaker 1: is turn the ball over. It's gonna be hard enough

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Speaker 1: So take the sack. And it's funny. You know, the

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Speaker 1: A lot of those turnovers came at the end of

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Speaker 1: to classify it. Now, they did have a turnover run downs,

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Speaker 1: end the drive at that scoring right, so in a

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Speaker 1: I would do two more things on Jones. You gotta

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Speaker 1: two more things on Jones ahead. There's this idea and

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Speaker 1: Jones behind center and Sae Kwon Barkley talked about this

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Speaker 1: You know, they ran r p os with Eli, they'll

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Speaker 1: run r p os with Daniel Jones. That's not gonna change.

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Speaker 1: The only difference for me, Paul is not going to

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Speaker 1: And that to me, where the difference is going to be.

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Speaker 1: we've seen the Giants in a number of cases over

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Speaker 1: understand the philosophy. Now, Frankly, Jones actually did a lot

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Speaker 1: other words, he was willing to go down when necessary

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Speaker 1: And he was very willing to go out of bounce.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny, David Cutcliffe, We're gonna we interviewed him

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Speaker 1: for the Giants Huddle podcast back in the summer looking

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Speaker 1: him back in June. Obviously the content is not gonna change. Now,

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Speaker 1: Gihants dot com will have it, will go to any

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Speaker 1: It's as much insight on on Daniel Jones as you

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Speaker 1: can ever imagine. We'll replace some of our pregame show

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. And he said, look, the first year, we

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Speaker 1: we're like, that is that Daniel? He did? He did,

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Speaker 1: if they're going to add and compound to their woes

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Speaker 1: and dig their hole deeper and deeper with mistakes and

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Speaker 1: miss tackles and busted assignments, guess what, John, Then the

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Speaker 1: four five on three, sink with us right here on

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Speaker 1: expect the team to sink. I was just making a joke.

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Speaker 1: So everybody relax. All right, let's go to the phones.

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Speaker 1: Chris is in Syracuse. He'll lead us off. What's up, Chris?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys doing? What's up? Buddy? I okay, So

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to touch on a couple of things,

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Speaker 1: really cool Fireway number number one. UM. As far as

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Speaker 1: ELI goes, he continues to impress with how he's handling

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Speaker 1: when I think is kind of a difficult situation. So

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Speaker 1: is there especially in this era of trade me miney

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Speaker 1: athletes UM, and I probably would be one of them

447
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Speaker 1: both disclosure. It's just always impressive how he handles his business.

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Speaker 1: And Chris, I want to throw one little nugget there,

449
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Speaker 1: just on top of people that don't know, because the

450
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Speaker 1: way he's handled outwardly is great. That dude, after he

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Speaker 1: found out he wasn't the starter anymore, stayed in the

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Speaker 1: building all day on Tuesday to work with Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: and get him ready for the game. They spent all

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Speaker 1: day together. He didn't go home, he was here all

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Speaker 1: day helping the kid get ready for the game the

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Speaker 1: day he got benched. And I guarantee there aren't and

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Speaker 1: they aren't a lot of other quarterbacks that if they

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Speaker 1: were put in that position, would have done that. So

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Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about him. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: He's just he's my favorite player of all time and

461
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Speaker 1: one of the few human beings that I know that

462
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Speaker 1: I actually admire just how he handles his business. So

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Speaker 1: he's been great, and uh, you know, we'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes from here, and I am excited. I'm an

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Speaker 1: ELI guy, but I am definitely excited to see where

466
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Speaker 1: this code um. Just so I go back though for

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Speaker 1: the one thing that I just kind of wanted to

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Speaker 1: say is when I made that call in August, and

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong of the time, so please don't take it.

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Speaker 1: It's like I d but what I had said that

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Speaker 1: if they were at an O and to start, you

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Speaker 1: couldn't keep the Wolves at Baye because I know that

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Speaker 1: he like can play, and I know that if they

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Speaker 1: were at an O and to start with the amount

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Speaker 1: of losing that's been going on. They don't have a

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Speaker 1: choice but to do this because third quarter, I think

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Speaker 1: it was, or maybe into the fourth quarter at the

478
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Speaker 1: home opener, it was empty except for Bill fans, and

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Speaker 1: I think that people have had enough. And so I've

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Speaker 1: also been a Gettleman guy, and I'm really really hoping

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Speaker 1: that our roster is looking good. But I think that

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Speaker 1: there was a gross, gross overestimation of talent and or

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Speaker 1: the ability of these younger kids to get picking up

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Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says. It does not makes

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Speaker 1: sense to have both of these guys on the roster

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Speaker 1: right now when there's so many holes to fill. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that makes any sense at all if you

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Speaker 1: that it was going to come around quicker. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm hoping that I don't look silly for being

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Speaker 1: a for a Gettleman guy, and that by the end

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Speaker 1: of this year we had answers for all of those

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Speaker 1: questions and we know, Okay, we've only got a few

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Speaker 1: holes to plug next year, and we've got uh, we've

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Speaker 1: got a great way to go about doing that. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in Dave Gettleman's office, so I'm not a

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Speaker 1: fly on the wall. I don't bug his phone, and

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Speaker 1: I don't mirror or take control of his computer or

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Speaker 1: his emails. Okay, So when I say this, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: an educated guess based on what he has said to

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Speaker 1: maneuvers to this point. It has always been my belief

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gentleman was looking at what I thought was

506
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Speaker 1: a three year plan. First year. Last year, you to

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Speaker 1: clean out the toxin and overturn the locker room and

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Speaker 1: get your kind of guys in here, the Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: kind of guys, that Dave Gentleman kind of guys. That

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Speaker 1: was going to require a lot of hard work, blood,

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Speaker 1: sweat and tears, and a lot of hard labor to do.

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Speaker 1: They did that. As you know, there there's literally just

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Speaker 1: a handful of guys left on this roster. You know

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Speaker 1: from from the Giants playoff appearance in Green Bay in

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Speaker 1: January of two thousand seventeen, there's only five guys left.

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Speaker 1: So that that that that's number one actually no, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's five guys now, So there's that. Then part part

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Speaker 1: number two was to try to enhance the talent level.

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Speaker 1: Once you got the the proper guys in the locker

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Speaker 1: room and you've got your locker room now the way

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Speaker 1: you want it. Now, you want to increase the talent.

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Speaker 1: They've done that. They've done well. In the draft. They

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Speaker 1: added a couple of of of of sleeper guys, um

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Speaker 1: you know, done some trades. God Zeitler in here, God

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Speaker 1: Peppers in here. You know. So that's kind of part

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Speaker 1: number two. Now Part number three, well that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: next year in two thousand twenty. Part number three is

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Speaker 1: must enhance the talent base with some impact players, specifically

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Speaker 1: on defense. That's part number three. And so you know

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Speaker 1: that's the way I see it, and I think you

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Speaker 1: know the way you've described it as well. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you'd have much argument with that plan. The problem is,

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Speaker 1: of course, very few people have any patients at all,

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Speaker 1: and they want the thing to be all done three

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Speaker 1: steps in one. You can't do three steps in one,

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Speaker 1: and you understand that you can't. You can't, But you

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Speaker 1: could have allocated those resources, in my opinion, a little

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Speaker 1: better than help whichever quarterback it was going to be

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Speaker 1: the only reason you wouldn't do that is if you

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Speaker 1: thought that a Daniel Jones wasn't going to be ready

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Speaker 1: or be the team was going to be a whole

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Speaker 1: lot more competitive to try to get You know, Elia

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Speaker 1: slawansong one last run. We're competing for a playoff spot,

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Speaker 1: and it looks to me like that ship is completely failed.

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Speaker 1: I know you got other callers and everything, but I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks very much. See what one

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Speaker 1: of the one of the things, and thank you. One

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Speaker 1: of the things you gotta understand two is that if

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Speaker 1: you're anticipating that in that third step of the plan,

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Speaker 1: that is the off season going into that, you're going

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Speaker 1: to be able to finagle your finances and your numbers

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Speaker 1: to the point where that's going to be the year

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Speaker 1: where you make the big splash to go purchase an

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Speaker 1: impact player or two. Well, then that kind of does,

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Speaker 1: in a way, put a little bit of a tight

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Speaker 1: rope on what you can do in the freedom of

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Speaker 1: economic movement that you can do in part two of

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Speaker 1: your plan. Thanks to the call, Christ by the way,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Well, yeah, definitely, so, thank you. So, so

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Speaker 1: you know that's the key. You know, if you have

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Speaker 1: this three part plan and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: you decide you're gonna take some of the those economic

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Speaker 1: resources from part three and shift them into part two,

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Speaker 1: you're now kind of messing with the integrity of what

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Speaker 1: your overall scope is. And so anyway, bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: I think before anybody really bites into what Dave Gettleman

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00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: has done with this team, you gotta give him a

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Speaker 1: chance to get through the three phases of his plan.

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Speaker 1: And then after you digest that and you see what

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Speaker 1: it is that he put forth on the table, that's

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Speaker 1: the more appropriate time to really start grading what it

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Speaker 1: is he did, because right now the plan is still

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Speaker 1: in progress. Well, I didn't hear any of what he said,

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Speaker 1: so I'll say, sure, okay, um, yes, we got your

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Speaker 1: tweets and the audio should be fixed now, so you

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Speaker 1: should be hearing us. High. I gotta tell you what

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Speaker 1: we said. The first twenty five minutes of the show

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Speaker 1: was brilliant. So it was fantastic. You missed it, but

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Speaker 1: it's gone. So but we gave you all of the

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Speaker 1: mega millions winning for the week. It was perfect. We

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Speaker 1: had was perfect? Um it all serious is though, when

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Speaker 1: We will lay it back into the video. So if

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Speaker 1: you're watching the show at home, go to the archive

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com. The video will get posted with

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Speaker 1: the audio will lay it in so the full archive

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Speaker 1: you'll find out what we said for the first will

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Speaker 1: it look like a Godzilla movie? Like when the our

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Speaker 1: mouths are moving and the words are they they should

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Speaker 1: be able to sink it up. We have top men

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Speaker 1: working on that. Okay, sorry checking, Sorry for the technical difficulties, folks.

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Speaker 1: I wish I would see. That's what I get for

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Speaker 1: not looking at Twitter while I'm trying to do I know,

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Speaker 1: sorry folks, But anyway, I'm telling you it was brilliant

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Speaker 1: to four or five one three. It's all presented by

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Speaker 1: go to Dennis in California. He's up next. Hey Dennis, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, doing We're good Dennis Good. I just let

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Speaker 1: you know real quick, I'm actually a diehard Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packer fan, but I'm calling on half of my wife

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Speaker 1: because she's a die hard New York Giants man, and

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Speaker 1: she's too too mad to call in. Put her on?

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Speaker 1: Put her on? Is she there? Is she there's She's there.

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Speaker 1: But let me just tell you real quick what my

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Speaker 1: thoughts were. I don't think that the switching with Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good idea because basically the

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Speaker 1: whole team, there's really no pluses on the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants right now. Their defense is not good, their offense

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Speaker 1: is not good, their receivers aren't good. The only thing

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Speaker 1: they have good is actually is basically you're running back

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Speaker 1: hold out this This is hold on one second real quick.

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Speaker 1: They get Stirling Shepherd back. That improves their wide receiver corps.

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Speaker 1: You realize the Giants are six in the league in

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Speaker 1: terms of yards per game on offense, six in the league.

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Speaker 1: Number six, But my point is over carrying out the

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Speaker 1: first two weeks, so you're number one receivers. You know,

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate's not in obviously, and Shepherd wasn't. Absolutely, that's

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Speaker 1: their My point is. I don't. I haven't heard anybody

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Speaker 1: say that Eli Manning not playing very good because I think, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair put a different quarterback in when you have

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Speaker 1: a very weak receiving corps. I don't think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: make much difference. Well, I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: that given all the injuries they had and the type

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Speaker 1: of defenses they were playing a wide receiver last week,

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Speaker 1: you know, to have expected a three yard passing game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would have been fair to expect

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Speaker 1: something like that. We said on the show last week,

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Speaker 1: we thought it would be a game that would be,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably below twenty points for each team. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise to me necessarily, but Patrick remade it

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Speaker 1: clear this was not an Eli Manning performance issue. He

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Speaker 1: does believe and this is why I said what I

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Speaker 1: You didn't hear me said. I did say it earlier

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Speaker 1: in the show that they believe so much in Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones that they think he gives the team a better

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Speaker 1: shot to win this week than Eli Manning. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if they're right or now if if your comment is

642
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Speaker 1: because of all the deficiencies and wide receiver, the type

643
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: of teams that were playing and things like that, that

644
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Eli really didn't have the best chance to show what

645
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: he can do the first two weeks. I get where

646
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: you're coming from. I don't think Paul and I would

647
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: vociferously argue that point. Sure, yeah, that was my main point.

648
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: And then this week, obviously you said Shepard's coming back.

649
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's back. That would help. Yeah, so

650
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: obviously Jones is gonna have a little bit of a

651
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: better receiving cord than Eli had. So I think you

652
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: guys already mentioned that too. So if Jones looks a

653
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: little better, well he's got a little better personnel around him.

654
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: But you know, anyway, but that was my main was

655
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: my main point. I just just ashamed to see, you know,

656
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I just wish they would have let Eli finish out

657
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: the season where he could go go away on a

658
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: little nicer note than because you know, he's put in

659
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: his fourteen years fifteen years, and to cut him off,

660
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, right at the beginning of the season. I

661
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: think it's kind of certainly appreciate the viewpoint, and thank

662
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: you so much for ringing us up. And next time,

663
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: tell your wife to talk to us directly. We like

664
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: talking people off the leg. It's kind of what we

665
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: do right for sure, you know, I think to be

666
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: honest with you, um, I'm gonna say that most people

667
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: underestimated the value of Golden take to this offense. Missing

668
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: him for the first month of the season was going

669
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: to hurt. I think everybody knew that, but I think

670
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: it hurt even more than anybody anticipated. And when you

671
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: compound that with Sterling Shepherd's concussion and missing game number two,

672
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: it just made it even worse. Uh See, the one

673
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: thing about Golden Tate besides the fact that he's a

674
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: veteran and understands what he's doing, and he's very crafty,

675
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: and he's very good route runner, and he's really good

676
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: with yards after the catch. Look, this guy has been

677
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: doing it for a decade. Okay, so let's not let's

678
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: not even speculate that there's any question about this. When

679
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: I tell you he is a first down monster, he

680
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: is entire career has been a first down monster. That's

681
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: what he does as well as any was sever in

682
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: the National Football League. He gobbles up first downs, he

683
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: moves the chains, and he converged third downs at a

684
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: very high rate. Well, what's the biggest problem the Giants

685
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: offense has had. If we just put aside the defense,

686
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: what's the biggest problem the Giants offense has had? Third down? Granted,

687
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of third and longs, but still third down,

688
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: the thing that he is the best at. They have

689
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: been missing. And I really think that has been a

690
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: much more harmful loss than even I anticipated with this

691
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Giant's team. Yeah, I thought they could survive better on

692
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: third down, and frankly, the execution in those situations hasn't

693
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: been great. A lot of them have been third and longs,

694
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: which has hurt the Giants. Also, having completed a third

695
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: down of ten or more yards, you'd like to see

696
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: him get one or two. Uh, you don't expect to

697
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: get a lot of them, but one or two sure.

698
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: And they've just made mistakes in those situations where there's

699
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Beny Fowler's drop last week against Buffalo, which would have

700
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: set them up deep in the red zone for a

701
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: potential touchdown. He is that pass and they're just this plays.

702
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: They haven't made their situation like they've moved the ball.

703
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: On offense, their situational football, whether it's red zone or

704
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: third down, has been abysmal. So it's just been bad.

705
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: The Giants are one of thirteen on third down opportunities

706
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: of six yards or more. And then what are the

707
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: overall okay, tied for twenty nine in the league, but

708
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: one for thirteen third and six or longer. You can't

709
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: have that, and you know, and frankly, that's probably they

710
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones can do better in those situations. Well,

711
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: regardless of that, if Golden takes on the field, you

712
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: at least got a shot to make a couple of those.

713
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: It helps to two four, five, one three. Back to

714
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: the phones, Jeff, and Rhode Island is up next day, Jeff,

715
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: this is the engine room calling the bridge captain. The

716
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: reason we're taking on water is because the Giant defense

717
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: has put a thirty ft gash in the sight of

718
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: a hall, you know, Jeff, Right, And that's that's why

719
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm almost very frustrated that we've had so much And look,

720
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I understand this week you have to do what they

721
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: made a change, but I feel like we've taken so

722
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: many more calls on the offense the last three weeks

723
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: than the defense, when the defense is really the center

724
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: of all the reasons this team is owing too. That's

725
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: that's the crux of the whole problem. John, Yeah, you

726
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: know that as well as I do. I mean, I

727
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: I was telling you before the draft of the Giants

728
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: defense is not very good. We don't have a that

729
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Dave Gelman has tried, but he hasn't added enough quality

730
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: talent to that side of the football, you know. And

731
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: it's just making it hotter for a new quarterback to

732
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: win games. That's it. That's that's what I'm upset most about.

733
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: So understandable, and I think the question then, Jeff, is

734
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: how do you fix it? You know, how do you

735
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: go about getting this right? You can't fix it till

736
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: next season. What can you do? You gotta play the

737
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: guys your guy. Well, Jeff, here's the thing. It's one thing.

738
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: If your guys are getting deep, it's to the point

739
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: where these guys are letting free runners because of not

740
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: doing things fundamentally right. I don't care how young the

741
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: guys are. You're playing at the talent level, Paul. You

742
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: can figure out ways not to have guys running free

743
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: all over the field. It's make things difficult, make teams

744
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: convert third down, don't make it easy on opponents. Yeah, well,

745
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: I guess the one that you have to foot put

746
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: at the foot of the defensive coordinator. You know, maybe

747
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: the coaching up the pot. I don't. I don't know

748
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: what the answer is, but I just gotta tell you

749
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very frustrated. So the next week, guys have

750
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: a good day. Thank you, Jeff and Paul. What I

751
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: would do with the covers this week? And this is

752
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: probably way too simple, and against this wide receiver corps,

753
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a good idea. I don't know they

754
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: could play right, And that's why I hesitate to say this,

755
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: but simply for trying to get rid of some of

756
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: the mistakes that have been getting made. Look, what do

757
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, Genor Jenkins? Is best that when you put

758
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: what is DeAndre Baker? Just do it? And you know what,

759
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: if deanre Baker gets beat to them, beat again, alas

760
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: is getting beat doing what he did in college, what

761
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: he knows how to do, and what he should be

762
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: proficient at. And if he fails at that, then you decide,

763
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: you know what, figure it out and maybe you do

764
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: something else. But let these guys fail what they're good at.

765
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that statement whatsoever. And again,

766
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: it also is difficult to run that because you want

767
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: to run, bump and run when you're getting what pressure

768
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: on the quarterback? You're on bump run, you get no pressure.

769
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: That's how you right, That's why Paul's laughing. You know

770
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: what happens and it and it ain't good. No, it's

771
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: not good. Well I would I would add one other thing.

772
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: It's not just the receivers. I would like to see

773
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: some very very nasty physicality against the tight end. You know,

774
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: we talked about O. J. Howard and the opening segment

775
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: that you guys did not hear the audio on. But

776
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: O J. Howard has been very very quiet to the

777
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: first two games. You know he's thinking this is his

778
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: breakout game. You just know he's thinking that, Well, don't

779
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: give him a free release. Make O. J. Howard work

780
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: his butt off to get off the line of scrimmage, okay,

781
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: and then if if he gets what he gets, he

782
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: earns it, just don't give it to him. To one

783
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: four five on three hashtag Giants shout on Twitter. Let's

784
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: go back to the calls and go to fill in

785
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: North Carolina and maybe since our audio was gonna we'll

786
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: give you guys an extra few minutes today. Two at

787
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: the back end of the shell. Phil what's up? Hey,

788
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: hey guys. Um a couple of things, some quick hits,

789
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: and then I'll go into my deep kind of my

790
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: deeper commentary. Quick last year, I need to comment. I

791
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: think it was arresting Paul I said we were back

792
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: in the seventies, and then you know in in in

793
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: Leuss disagreed or whatever, and and so actually in redition,

794
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I have to amend my comment because the difference of

795
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: the seventies we had a good defense. We just had

796
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: a horrible offense. Well for part of the seventies, not

797
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: for all of it, but for part of it. And

798
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: actually the early set the days you had a good

799
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: offense had Tarkington in nineteen seventy and the nine in

800
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: five season, you had Snead when the NFC passing title,

801
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: when the Giants went eight in six and seventy two,

802
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: and you had Ron Johnson put up two thousand, you

803
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: had seasons and Bob Tucker amongst the NFC receiving leaders.

804
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: So when you're only part of the seventies, you had

805
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: offense and no defense, and then later on as the

806
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: decade went on, you had not so good at both.

807
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: And then for part of it. You had really good defense,

808
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: but not so good offense. So it was kind of

809
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: a mixed day. It was referring to kind of the

810
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: mid to late seventies. But I was there, and Paul,

811
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I know, you know, there you go, And that was

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: very upset. I was very upset when the Giants saw

813
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: to the Rams in that last game in the nineteen

814
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: seventy was a chance for us to get to three

815
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: Yankee big hole of eighteen years without a playoff, you

816
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: know the you know the problem with that, and and

817
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and it's to this day, I'm still not over that game.

818
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: So I get it. Thirty one three Yankee Stadium, Tarkington

819
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: was a million times turned over these games. Uh, stick

820
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: with me, like you know, I get away. Here's what

821
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: I want you to remember, though, Remember one thing. Dallas

822
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: won that last weekend to finish a tenant four and

823
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: they won the division. The Giants lost to the Rams

824
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: and finished at nine and five, and they were knocked

825
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: out because they did not have a good enough record

826
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: to be a wild card team. Okay, that was the

827
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: first time in the wild card in nineteen seventy. Okay, yeah,

828
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: that was the way the Giants so and then we

829
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: got to bank round Johnson and France. For that, I

830
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: was just simply gonna tell you we don't really have

831
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: quality linebackers now, but I do, uh you know, I

832
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: do think Golden and Carter seemed to pick it up

833
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: slightly last week. Golden was pretty careful for that. So

834
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: my bigger analysis is, uh, it was called by draft

835
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: picks and and things like that. And in the statistic

836
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: the other day, someone I think you would russ droughout

837
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: was that, uh, you know, Dallas has only missed on

838
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: one first on and of less seven years and we're

839
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: basically and I would say that, I would say on

840
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: top of that, and that's really painful for me to say.

841
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you know, it's really not

842
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: just the first hand, it's really the middle rounds where

843
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: we've got the big gaping black holes. So uh so,

844
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, my my deeper analysis is the point on

845
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: this issue of the you know, cleaning out the lock

846
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 1: getting character and then getting talent. You know, as a fan,

847
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: I would say, if you think about this, you know,

848
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: is there a coalition between good guys in the locker

849
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: room and winning And I'm not sure if there is,

850
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't. I know. It makes it

851
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: easier for the organization to have nice guys. I mean,

852
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: when you like to go to work if everyone was nice,

853
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: So I had the posted everyone being crumby coach, But

854
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: I really don't think that's the model to find them

855
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: out film, Nicole, I can't. I can't. Phil. It's not

856
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: a matter of and you're filibustering. We had to we have,

857
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: we have, we had to stop you there. It's not

858
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: a matter of having all nice guys, but you can't

859
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: have toxic guys. And I'm not saying before everyone loses

860
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: their mind that everyone the Giants didn't bring back we're

861
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: toxic guys. That's not what I'm saying. But you want

862
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: to have um, a group that feeds off each other well,

863
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: and if you have a couple of guys in there,

864
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: that set a bad example maybe for younger guys. When

865
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to build a young team and have draft

866
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: picks coming up, you want to have better players for

867
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: those younger guys. And look, the Giants are are in

868
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: a roster transformation. They're bringing a lot of young guys.

869
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: You want better examples for the younger guys to kind

870
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: of hold onto. Let's make this very simple. That's better,

871
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: make it very simple. Ward's Taylor was not a great guy,

872
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: but he was a great teammate. And everybody in that

873
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: locker room would swear to that what you want is

874
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: a locker room of great teammates. Don't necessarily need great guys,

875
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: you need great teammates. Okay, I'll give you another example. Okay,

876
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: Jeremy Shocky was a great teammate while he was with

877
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the Giants early in his career. Okay, was kind of

878
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: a different kind of guy because he was an individual. Um.

879
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: You know, he certainly had his his ways about him

880
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: that a lot of people didn't like. But early in

881
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: his career he was a great teammate and did everything

882
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: he could do on Sunday to help you win. Later on,

883
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: at the end of his Giant's career, he wasn't such

884
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: a great teammate because he kept becoming a distraction and

885
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: kept talking about negative things and kept complaining, and you know,

886
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: eventually just got very paranoid with his mentality that he

887
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: became a cut up and he had to go because

888
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: he was no longer a great teammate. Okay, Now, of course,

889
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: welcoming back last last week in the Alumni day, because

890
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: he has now since mended his fenses and turned his

891
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: mentality around with the Giants in twelve years and and

892
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: everything everything is copasetic now, and I think it's great

893
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: that he is once a giant, always a giant again. Correct,

894
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: but but that's the point. Look, plexical birds, another guy

895
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: right constantly fined by Tom Coughlin during his time here,

896
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: not a great practice player, And you say to yourself,

897
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: you know he's not the maybe not be my best friend, Okay,

898
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: but on Sunday when Day blew the whistle, he did

899
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: everything he could to help you win. And his nose

900
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: was in the pok and his nose was always in

901
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the play. He knew everything about the opponent, which made

902
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: him a great teammate. Not necessarily you know, during the

903
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: week or out at dinner, but during the game. Great teammate.

904
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: That's what you need. And you can also survive those

905
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: guys better if you already have a very established culture

906
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: and way of doing things, which you had with Tom

907
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: coffin d as he had been here for so long.

908
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: When you're a winning team and you win games, that's

909
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: another very important caveat. Yes, it's a big deal. And

910
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: like Bill Parcels had this theory the psychology of results,

911
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: winning breeds, winning and losing breeds. You know what, okay?

912
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: And and Bill what he meant by that is that

913
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: winning teams have a way of fostering that terrific teammate mentality,

914
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: that teammate environment that allows you to consistently achieve at

915
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: the highest level. But when you're losing, well, that's when

916
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: maybe not everybody's a great teammate, John, And maybe you

917
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: have cracks, and maybe you have complainers, and you have

918
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: guys who are lazy, and guys aren't necessarily doing everything

919
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: the team way, and they're becoming distractions. And that's how

920
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: when the boat starts to crack, the water just kinds

921
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: of a seep in and it sinks the boat. That's

922
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: what Bill Parcels was talking about. Psychology of results, winning breeds,

923
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: winning to one, four or five on three. Don in

924
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: Texas is up next day? Don, Hey, John Up? Hey guys,

925
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: do I get a nomination for the Mount Rushmore A

926
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. I was off by one week

927
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: predicting Daniel Jones and my did you I'm not sure

928
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: if I have it on the board. I'll have to

929
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: check that after the season. I don't touch you. I

930
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: don't touch the predictions don until we get the week seventeen,

931
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: and I'll look at him that first weekend of the

932
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: season is over. Okay, alright, guys, I just wanted to

933
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: call up. I really called up about Evan Ingram. But

934
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 1: I'm also gonna go over Pat shrum A really quick.

935
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: And you know, last Friday I called and whenever I

936
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: criticized somebody, I always look for some way to commend

937
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: them as well. So last week I told I was

938
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: calling you, guys, I would like to see him kirt

939
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: coach with a little urgency. And I'm glad he's doing this.

940
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you why. There's another thing that

941
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: I noticed. He's starting to lose the locker room. And

942
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: I know it's a little trickle when you see Genora's

943
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: Jenkin coming out pointing fingers that other players like, hey,

944
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: we need a pass fresh, stuff like that. This team

945
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: needed a spark. And Victor Cruz was on the ESPN

946
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: last night and you kind of hit it on the

947
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: like they're sleepwalking the team. I wanted your take on that,

948
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: And then I know you guys are trying to end

949
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: the show, but I just want to go over Evan

950
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: Ingram really quick. So Evan Ingram, I know there's a

951
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of people who are always saying, and John, I

952
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: agree with you on this completely that they were. Hey,

953
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Everan Ingram should be a wide receiver, and John, I

954
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: agree with you. He is. Keep him at tight end. Okay,

955
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: anybody who's debating this, Evan Ingram reminds me of an

956
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 1: NBA guard who's six three or six four. They're they're

957
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: not exactly a point guard, they're not exactly a shooting guard.

958
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: But when you watched him against Buffalo, they kept putting

959
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: cornerbacks on him and he could not get off. He

960
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: did not have a good game. So anybody who keeps

961
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: saying he should be a wide receiver, stop, He's a

962
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: tight end. He He's just one of those guys that

963
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: if you put him on the outside, he won't win

964
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: those matchups. Hey, look, you know I don agree, Thank you,

965
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: don I appreciate the call. And the bottom line is

966
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: not never has been because you want to. That's the point.

967
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: And he and he doesn't want to be a wide receiver.

968
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: By the way, he's a tight end. He's part of

969
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: the passing game. That's enough. He's a receiver, he's not

970
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. It's part of the passing game. Correct.

971
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: Two one nine, four five one three. I didn't have

972
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: a huge problem with with with Jenkins said you never

973
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: like guys talking at It's not like he It's not

974
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: as though he said, you know, this guy is not

975
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: doing his job by name. This guy is not doing

976
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: his job by name. Look, I think everyone knows that

977
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: as a defensive back you need a pass rush, right.

978
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't rocket science. Obviously, you wouldn't like

979
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: him to verbalize it that way after a game in

980
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: Patrimer said as much when he spoke to the Medey

981
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. And I agree with that. You

982
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. But we it wasn't as

983
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: though he was fingerpoint of the one guy and saying

984
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: that's the guy that's the reason we're losing. He needs

985
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: to pick up his game or whatever whatever whatever. So

986
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: and and as I said, and I would only say this, well,

987
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: we let the caller talk and he said, oh, you know,

988
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: he made a statement flat out using that as an

989
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: example that Pat Sherbour is starting to lose a lot.

990
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he is at all. But I'm not

991
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: going to let that statement go by without a rebuttal

992
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: because I'm here every day and i haven't seen that.

993
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: I agree, and so you know, you think what you want,

994
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you from what I know in that

995
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: locker room, that's not happened again. I think the colors

996
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: said that might have been the first hint that he

997
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: might be. I don't see that. I don't I'm with Paul.

998
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair, that that's a nasue. By

999
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: the way. I have seen head coaches lose a locker

1000
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: room before, and it wasn't that long ago either. No,

1001
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time and I've seen

1002
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: it happen on more than one occasion, and I have

1003
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: not seen that. I I know what a skunk looks like. Okay,

1004
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: this is not a skunk. Two O one nine, three, nine,

1005
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: four or five on three. Back to the phones, Joel

1006
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: and Huntington is up next day. Joel, Hey, guys, how

1007
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: are you doing. Hey listen first time? Thank you so much.

1008
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: I've been watching you since the new of Marks. Thank

1009
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: you and you stuck with us. I just have a

1010
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: really light comment and then I'll get off the year,

1011
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: and I like your opinion. I watched we watched the

1012
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven season when the Giants in Game

1013
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: three put down by two scores and let's not go

1014
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: again to Washington and they didn't go on fand and

1015
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: they just kicked it butts and you know what happened

1016
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: after that, right yeah? Well, Commit, you made a big play.

1017
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, No, Kavi Commitchell made a big

1018
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: play and it did turn around the Giant season. But

1019
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: understand something, and this is very very very important to understand.

1020
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the rests quarterback. Well

1021
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: I can picture from my head, I can't. Here's the point.

1022
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: The point is, the Giants had the Tucks, the hu Manors,

1023
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: the straight hands, the Antonio Piersons on the team. Thank you.

1024
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: These were guys who were accomplished, accomplished guys you know,

1025
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: not not not you know obviously talking o c were

1026
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: earlier in their careers. But Pierce was an accomplished player

1027
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: and a leader, straight hand was on his way to

1028
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career leader. The point is the

1029
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: Giants defense right now doesn't have any of those kinds

1030
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: of guys either. In caliber, or in leadership, or in resume.

1031
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: And that's no disgrace or disrespect to any of the

1032
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: guys on this current roster. Well, they hope the young

1033
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: guys can become those guys. They're just not there yet, right,

1034
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: They're just not there yet, And maybe they will be,

1035
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: maybe they won't be a sometime. I don't know the

1036
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: answer to that. But what I do know is this

1037
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: talk O C. Pierce, straight Hand. These guys were special.

1038
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: There's a reason why straight Hand is in the Hall

1039
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: of Fame. There's a reason why Antonio Pierce had a

1040
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: championship at a Pro Bowl, and Tuck went to several

1041
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, And you mean you're went to several Pro Bowls.

1042
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: These guys were really, really good in a lot of

1043
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: different areas and they were accomplished in it. Right now,

1044
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: you have a defense that's young and being rebuilt on

1045
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: the fly. Not the same, not the same. My prediction

1046
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: game three second quarter, They're gonna do something that's going

1047
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: to turn this whole team around. And I'll get to

1048
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: you and you can comment on that. Thank you, guys,

1049
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: what is it? Very much? I appreciate What are they

1050
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna do? Joel to turn it around though. Thank you, Joel,

1051
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate the car. I wish you would give

1052
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: us what they were gonna do. They're gonna do something, Well,

1053
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something that's optimistic. Give him that, Joel.

1054
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: Can you give you a specific I can't write that

1055
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: a bull prediction. They're gonna do something that's not a prediction. Well,

1056
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: just right right down third quarter at least, so at

1057
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: least he maybe he gets that right, although I would

1058
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: tend to think that if they were going to turn

1059
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: the season around, it might be something in the fourth quarter.

1060
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: But he's said third quarters, So give him that third

1061
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: quarter verse Tampa Bay defense does something, and I will

1062
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: put something in all likelyhood, he meant defense didn't because

1063
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: he was bringing up the two thousand seven deal. Defense.

1064
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna assume that, Joel, so uh, it has been registered.

1065
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: Run out a room on this thumb tack. Let me

1066
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: tell you to four, five, one three. If you got

1067
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: a couple more calls, I'll try to squeeze you in.

1068
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: We'll go a little bit late since you had the audio.

1069
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: She was early. Rick and Tampa is up next. Hey, reck, Hey,

1070
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: hell both of you on today. Hey, I have four

1071
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: real quick things, U is alright ready. One is regarding

1072
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Chavin t J. Jones. Back is going to help Daniel

1073
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: Jones because he was a pretty good go to He

1074
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: was a go to receiver for him reading receiver in

1075
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: the preseason with twelve catches. I wonder how much he's

1076
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna play this week. We'll see. It depends how much

1077
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: Benny Faller is going to play him around. I hope

1078
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: he plays. Come on, well, that's with Laddimer. That's a

1079
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: good point. He'll play, He'll play. Okay, that's that. Regarding

1080
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsay makeup Fitzpatrick, neither of those guys wouldn't the

1081
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Giants ever consider? Uh? I mean, I know Ramsey's got

1082
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: a bit of some baggage, but they're both very good,

1083
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: very good back. Here's the problem with now here's the thing.

1084
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Ramsey's the better player, for one, but

1085
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey also is a guy you have to pay

1086
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: a lot sooner, and he's gonna want twenty million dollars

1087
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: a year. So I'm not giving up a first round

1088
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: pick plus something else just so I have to pay

1089
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: this guy twenty million dollars in my cap space. Next year,

1090
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: so I'll pass on that. You have to pay him

1091
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: next year, correct, So I will pass on that. And

1092
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: then and then real quick on Mikey Fitzpatrick. They got

1093
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: a one for him. The Giants could have a one

1094
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: that's a top ten pick this year. I'm not giving

1095
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: up a top ten pick for make it Fitzpatrick. Okay, alright, alright?

1096
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: That yeah. The other thing too, Two more quick things.

1097
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: One is, uh, the possibility of next week's game of

1098
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: Haskins versus Jones. That would be very interesting, that could

1099
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: be fun, that would be fun to see as well.

1100
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: And also, what do you think of I don't Paul,

1101
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: you're on f an a lot. What do you think

1102
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: about coach Shermer Now it's not going on with Mike

1103
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: backing out of that, what do you you can you

1104
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: say anything about that? I mean, as a fan, I

1105
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's a good move. Well, no, I'm gonna

1106
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: make it real simple for you. Coach Scharmer was asked

1107
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: about it yesterday and said it was an organizational decision

1108
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: and that for the time being, uh, they just think

1109
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: it's better to be low key. And and he's not

1110
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: going to do the spot and that's and and that's

1111
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: what coach Scharmer said. I don't know if the station

1112
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: released a statement themselves on exactly what had happened, but

1113
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: that's what coach Charmer told us. He was very forward

1114
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: and direct about it when he was asked. And I

1115
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: don't know that there's anything else that I could say. Okay,

1116
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean because I listened to the interview and I

1117
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: and I called him Mike and said to him for

1118
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: some things to say to the coach that I could

1119
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: have been even harder on him, but Mike wasn't that

1120
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: the usually Mike. You know, Mike could be a little hardtimes,

1121
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: but he wasn't. I mean, he was a lot worse

1122
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: with h McAdoo many years ago. But I mean, I

1123
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: don't understand that. So as a you know, I I

1124
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: don't think it was a good move for you got

1125
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: to be able to take it in New York. So

1126
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of that. But I'm fan

1127
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: you guys, alight you hope you enjoyed a game, appreciate

1128
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: the call. Five on three in in Florida will be

1129
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: our final car of the show. Heyn, how are you hey, guys? Um,

1130
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at the game on Sunday looking forward

1131
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: to it. Just wondering do you guys set up a

1132
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: booth or a tent or anything went for road games?

1133
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: You know, we don't generally. UH plants and Jeff will

1134
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: be back in New York City. They'll be at Local,

1135
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: which is an NYC Local, which is on THY four

1136
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: and eight in the city doing the pregame show. Paul

1137
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: and I'll be up in the booth. So we we

1138
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: generally don't do anything public in terms of broadcast for

1139
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: road game. Sorry about that, Okay, alright, well, alright, so

1140
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: I got a couple of points then, UM, I don't

1141
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: know if you guys were calling one of UH coach

1142
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: Shermer's I don't know if it was the postgame oppressor

1143
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: or it was in the conference where they announced the change,

1144
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: he mentioned something that, um, he felt that he had

1145
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: plays in the playbook to to against the Bill's defense

1146
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Any I don't know if if you guys

1147
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: picked up on that or he was alluding to the

1148
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: fact that I took it one of two ways that

1149
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: either Eli couldn't execute his game planned or certain plays

1150
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: even though he did. Okay, and there's some drop balls

1151
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: and things and stuff like that, or maybe he checked

1152
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: out a certain place. Did you guys pick up on that? Well, look,

1153
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: I I don't know specifically. I do know what you mean,

1154
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: and I did hear that too. Uh. The way I

1155
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: would look at it, and I'll talk about a little

1156
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: bit more broadly, is that if they believe and this

1157
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: is what Pat Mermer said, he believes, there's no reason

1158
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: to think he doesn't. Since they believe that Daniel Jones

1159
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: gives them a better chance to win, I think it's

1160
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: safe to say that they think that he would have

1161
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: executed that game plan against Buffalo last week a little

1162
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: bit better. Otherwise they wouldn't think that he gives the

1163
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: team a better chance to win, right, Paul, I mean

1164
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: that's pretty obvious, right without specifics. I I'm very hesitant

1165
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: to even comment on it because I don't I don't

1166
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't remember actually the quote that he's talking about.

1167
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I don't. I don't remember

1168
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: the quote, and so I would rather not comment on it,

1169
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: only to say that, Uh. Coach said repeatedly this was

1170
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: a gut feeling that he had as to making this change,

1171
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: and at the time that he's made the change, but

1172
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: he also said the change is about this week, it's

1173
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: not about the feature. He has been clear about that.

1174
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: And since I'm not one of those enzymes that live

1175
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: inside Patch Sherummer's stomach, I'm not going to pretend to

1176
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: know what's in his gut. Correct, I'm just not alright? Alright, then,

1177
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: one more thing, Um, you really think this move puts

1178
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: everyone on notice, in particular defense, if they've done this

1179
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: to Eli, then everyone better step it up. Thank you, No,

1180
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And I actually asked that question to

1181
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. It will be on one of the interviews

1182
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: doing our pregame radio show on Sunday, and I said,

1183
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: does this thing kind of you know, let everybody know that,

1184
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: oh boy, if you know the quarterbacks losing his gig

1185
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: here that you know the rest of us better get

1186
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: moving pretty quick, a really early around here. He goes, yeah,

1187
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, every one has a very high urgency this week,

1188
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: given everything that's happened, well, from top to bottom, I mean,

1189
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: Coach Shermer was very very plain and simple about it.

1190
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: From top to bottom, everybody's got to improve. Everybody has

1191
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: to play, and that's what has to happen when you're

1192
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: owing two and you put forth two very disappointing performances.

1193
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you if you exclude anybody and

1194
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: even say Kwon Barkley and by the way, Um, I

1195
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: talked to See Kwon Barkley for the Giants First Intention

1196
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Show which airs at nine thirty tonight on MSG Network

1197
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: and al An Alreadio pregame show as well. By the way, okay, um,

1198
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you just a little taste of it, I

1199
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 1: said to say Kwon Barkley point blank. Coach says, everybody

1200
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: up and down has to improve. So when you hear that,

1201
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: what do you take from it and what do you

1202
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: have to do to improve to help out the situation.

1203
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what his answer was.

1204
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll make you listen. That's what you call a tease

1205
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: in the business. There you go. But I wasn't afraid

1206
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: to ask Say Kwon Barkley that because in this situation,

1207
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: nobody's teflon, John, Nobody's teflon. Everybody has to do something

1208
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: better to help the team out of the run. Any

1209
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: final thoughts in the game, pall before they goodbye. This

1210
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: is a tough game, without question. It is a very

1211
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: very difficult game. I do think Daniel Jones is as

1212
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: prepared as a rookie could possibly be with his mentality

1213
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: and his approach and his professionalism. And yes, because Eli

1214
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: Manning sits next to him and tutors him and has

1215
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: done everything he can to help make this easier. It

1216
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: won't be easy, but he has tried to make it

1217
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: easier for the youngster from Duke Uh. I'm just waiting

1218
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: forward to unfold because I think there's gonna be a

1219
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's the four o'clock game, which means

1220
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: it's the second game on Fox's schedule, which means it's

1221
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: a national game. Correct, No, it's four or five. It's

1222
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: not four four, so it's not the national game. I

1223
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I'm sure there's gonna be a lot

1224
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: of people tuning in, even Giants fans or non Giants fans.

1225
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna want to see the game. There are fewer

1226
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: games in the four o'clock window though, so for teams,

1227
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: the people that have direct TV and the nfls and

1228
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: they taking things like that, that will be one of

1229
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: the couple of few games on at four o'clock. But

1230
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: it's a four oh five star, so it should be

1231
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: a very interesting game, and I'm sure, I'm sure there'll

1232
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: be plenty to dissect after it's over, win or lose.

1233
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: There will be plenty of talking points, all right, so

1234
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: make sure you check it out. You can find Paul

1235
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: the Tino along with let's say, if you get all

1236
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: the guys right, you have Paul, Bob Popa, Howard Cross,

1237
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: Harry Carson, Victor Cruz, David Deal and I wasn't on

1238
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: this week. We're not on this week. I was not.

1239
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: That's okay, Madeline Burke, everybody. Alec Ogletree was a guest.

1240
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: Cher was a guest. He was a guest. Oh, that's right, perfect,

1241
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: And so make sure you check that. That's on tonight

1242
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: on msg MG over the course of the rest of

1243
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: the weekend to seven times Sunday morning, and make sure

1244
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: you check that out. And then of course you can

1245
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: see Paul and the rest of the crew on Giants

1246
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: Postgame Live, which comes on right after the game. But

1247
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: if you're on the radio, make sure you stick with

1248
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: the radio post game. I'll be in the locker room,

1249
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,959
Speaker 1: Bob Popa, Carl Banks to the play by play, Howard

1250
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Cross on the sideline, and the pregame begins at one

1251
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: fifty on w f A N A M. The Yankees

1252
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: will be on FM. Will join on both frequencies when

1253
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: the Yankee game in their post game conclude sometime between

1254
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: four and five o'clock so again coverage at one fifty

1255
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: on w f A N Lance Meddle on Jeff Eagles.

1256
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: Lance loves meeting the fans and the people. Head out

1257
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: to the bar there at n y C local on

1258
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: thirty four and eighth go see him and Jeff. They'll

1259
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: be doing the show live there at one fifty point.

1260
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: I will be in Tampa. Make sure you check that

1261
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: out and you look eager like you want to say.

1262
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: I have to say one more thing, John, because I

1263
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: know you're with me on this. Go Yankees, a L

1264
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: East champions, pick it all the way, boys, Brox Bombers.

1265
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: What else can I say? We'll see on Monday. Enjoy

1266
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: your weekend, everybody. Audios