1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Boom, I Have No Fear of the Iron Rapports Stereo 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Podcast is here. Boom, Have No Fear of the Iron 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: rap Ports Stereo Podcast is here. He's back. This is 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: a great episode people. 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: The official unofficial world news correspondent for years now, Eli 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Lake from the Free Press, the great Eli Like Friend 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: of the Iron Rapports Stereo podcast is back. 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: He has a new podcast. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: The latest episode is all about censorship and Lenny Bruce. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: We're talking Lenny Bruce. 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: We're talking comedy, we're talking cancel culture, we're talking guitar, 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: we're talking Kanye and we're talking some NBA. All that 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: and more on a high flying, fully disruptive Iron rap 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Ports Stereo podcast. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Coming up right now with Friend of the Iron. 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Rapports Stereo Podcast, the official unofficial news correspondent, Eli Lake, 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: Miles Joornek, the Bleach Brother's aka the Just Brothers. Start 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: to puffy with something real line. Start this puffing off 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: with some real but most importantly, start this I Am 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Rapports Stereo podcast off with something real funk. I am 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: Reports Stereo Podcast. 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: Let's go, Baby, Boom, Have No Fear of the I 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 3: Am Rapports Stereo Podcast is here. 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: With the unofficial official but still unofficial worldwide news correspondent 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: my Man who has got his own podcast which is 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: rocking and rolling. My Man Eli Lake is back with 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: the I Am Rapports stereo podcast. 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: Eli. How are you my friend? 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: Great? Uh? 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 5: We just released this big episode on Lenny Bruce for 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 5: Breaking History and it was a huge amount of work 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 5: but getting great, great feedback. Thanks so much for having 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 5: me on. And I want to just give you a 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 5: mozzle tub to those Knicks. I know how long suffering 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 5: you are. 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop you. I'm gonna stop you. I appreciate 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: the mozzle top. I'm gonna stop you. As of the 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: recording of this Iron Wrapport Stereo podcast, the Knicks have 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: not buried the Boston Celtics. 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 4: Fair enough, fair enough. 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate the mazzle, but I'm also gonna I'm gonna 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: stop you. 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you. 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: That's a good point. 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Gonna put any of that Philadelphia fucking shit on me? 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: You ain't put any of that shoe. We're doing just fine. 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna put in a Philadelphia seventy six or bad luck. 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: I know your intentions are good and sincere. You come 49 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: back with that mazzle you post a mazzle you don't. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 5: I've found for the series riveting as a basketball fan. 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: It's been great. It's been great. 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: First of all, how are you enjoying doing your podcast? 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: As I said, Eli's got a podcast, Breaking History, which 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: is kicking assets on the free press. 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: It's released through the free Press, the Iconic and stan 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: free Press. 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: And you just released an episode about Lenny Bruce and 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: sort of the culture war and censorship. But before we 59 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: get into that episode and some world news questions I 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: have for you, how are you enjoying the process of 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: making a podcast and being a podcast host. 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: I love it. 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 5: I attempt every everything comes out every two weeks because 64 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 5: we put a lot of work in it. What we 65 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: try to do is almost an audio documentary. For me, 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 5: it's a joy. It's it's an opportunity to kind of 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 5: do something beyond just I love writing, and there is 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: a lot of writing in the podcast, but it's an 69 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: opportunity to explore the space with clips, interviews. I mean, 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: we we try to really put something together that I 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: would say you can't hear kind of anything like it 72 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 5: anywhere else because it's it's it is a scripted show, 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: and so far it's been great. The response, it's been terrific. 74 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 5: I mean, I love it. I think the podcasting is 75 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 5: the is the future really for the media. I think 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: it's a much more intimate medium. It's terrific. 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it really is well to ask you specifically 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: about the episode titled Vulgarians at the Gate How Censors 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Lost the Culture War. You have iconic comedian Colin Quinn 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: and there's a big chunk of it which talks about 81 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Lenny Bruce. Yeah, why did you make this episode and 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: what importance did Lenny Bruce have to you before the episode? 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: And what did you learn about the great Lenny Bruce? 84 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: And explain who and how and why Lenny Bruce is 85 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: still important and what he meant at the time because 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: at the time, I mean you talked about this in 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: the episode, but at the time, and he started out 88 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: like this as a comedian, he was really sort of 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: a he started almost as like a vaudeville style joke, yeah, comedian, 90 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: and then he broke on through. He's sort of there's 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: other people, but he really broke on through to tell 92 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: like it is, and he started the whole ranting thing 93 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: and he stopped trying to be funny and he started 94 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: talking shit. 95 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: He's like one of the first og. 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: Stam absolutely shit talkers. 97 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 5: Well, I would say that he's the most important comedian 98 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 5: of all time, because before Lenny Bruce, you did have comedians, 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 5: but they were like one liners. There's nothing wrong, by 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 5: the way with one one liners, but they would just 101 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 5: have very like short, staccato jokes. They would be like pratfalls. 102 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 5: They were there to entertain, and that was the main thing. 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: What Lenny Bruce decided to do was he was going 104 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: to use his platform as a stand up comic, I 105 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 5: would say, to interrogate everything that was taboo in our 106 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: society and he was going to try to expose it 107 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 5: and that if you look back that not to be 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: too intellectual, but that's really what Socrates did in ancient Greece. 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 5: That is what the philosophers would do, and he brought 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 5: that in an American context but made it entertaining of 111 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 5: the day. I mean, it's hard to listen to comedy 112 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 5: from sixty years ago. It's not going to crack you 113 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 5: up the way Chappelle would today or something like that, 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 5: but it's you can see the beginning of the art 115 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: form that modern stand up as we know it, which 116 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 5: is I'm gonna come up here, and I want to 117 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 5: be brutally honest about everything. I'm going to talk about 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 5: all the things I'm not supposed to talk about. I 119 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: might make you uncomfortable. But so in that sense, yeah, 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: it's funny. There's a joke, and we should never forget that. 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 5: He's trying to get you to laugh, but he's also 122 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 5: trying to kind of get you to question, well, why 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 5: is it that I, you know, don't say this word 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 5: and I won't think about this, or you know, why 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 5: is it that we talk about sex in terms of 126 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: euphemisms and things like that? For the when he was 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 5: doing it, which is the early nineteen sixties, that was 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 5: utterly radical and it ruined him. And so the other 129 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 5: reason he's so important is that he was the last 130 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: It was the last time anybody in America was actually 131 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: formally charged for effectively word crimes, meaning his speech was 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 5: the crime. There are lots of things easy. It is crazy, right, 133 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 5: But I mean the funny thing about it is that 134 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 5: we look back on it on Lenny Bruce today and 135 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 5: the things that he was arrested for seem unbelievably tame like. 136 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 5: He made a joke about Eleanor Roosevelt's tits, and that 137 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: showed up in the transcript of his trial in New 138 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 5: York City. He made it had a famous joke about 139 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 5: when jack Kennedy was shot, which was a tragedy. It's 140 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 5: a few months later, but he was trying to make 141 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: the point that Jackie Kennedy wasn't trying to save Jacksie 142 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 5: was trying to haul ass to save ass. That was 143 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 5: his phrase. Now that bit was considered so out of 144 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 5: bounds that it basically they, you know, the Manhattan DA's 145 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 5: office put the sick the cops on him, and they 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 5: ruined his life. Because club owners would face the heat, 147 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 5: they wouldn't book him anymore. He had a drug problem, 148 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 5: so he kind of fell, He sunk into his heroin 149 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 5: and morphine addiction, but he never let it go. He 150 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 5: would never kind of cry uncle. He kept fighting his 151 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 5: cases because he believed that this was protected by the 152 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: First Amendment. And eventually, you know, his life kind of 153 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: tragically ends in nineteen sixty six with a morphine overdose 154 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: in his home in the Hollywood Hills. He's bankrupted, but 155 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 5: what he was able to do is he changed the 156 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: culture because only a few years later you started to 157 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: see profanity in rock music. You started to see movies 158 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: like Midnight Cowboy and other kinds of things, and the 159 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 5: culture proved to be far more powerful than the law. 160 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 5: And then, if you want to know where some of 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 5: the greats, and you and I both love George Carlin, 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 5: George Carlin was a protege of Lenny Bruce. And if 163 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: you think about it, we're kind of like we have 164 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 5: a bunch of comics today that are proteges of Carlin. 165 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 5: So there's a sort of tree and it all comes 166 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 5: back to Lenny Bruce. I've always been obsessed with him 167 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: because he was somebody who was basically prosecuted for these 168 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 5: word crimes. I think he was one of the main 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: founding fathers of stand up comedy. And I thought that 170 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 5: now was the right moment to do it, because we're 171 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 5: kind of in this moment where we're seeing a vibe 172 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: shift where all of the efforts that weren't really using 173 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: the law. We should be clear that when they canceled 174 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: Shane Gillis on SNL or like you know, you've had 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: issues having to do with your pro Israel activism. Nobody's 176 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: prosecuting you. You're not going to get like the government 177 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: coming down on you. But there are factions which are 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 5: trying to suppress your speech or punish your speech. And 179 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 5: I feel like we had such a vibe shift with 180 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 5: the election of Trump in November that the culture has 181 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: kind of moved past it. And that's what I mean 182 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: by saying the awokening. The woke crowd won a lot 183 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 5: of battles for like ten years before twenty twenty four, 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 5: but I think they just lost the culture war. And 185 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: if you want to know what I mean by lou 186 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 5: the culture where it's not all bravy, I mean Kanye 187 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 5: West just released hal Hitler. I don't like that song. 188 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: I'm not a fan. I'm worried about it as a Jew, 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 5: but there are no limitations. If you have a Twitter account, 190 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: you can get that on x and no one can 191 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: stop you from like watching that video and listening to 192 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 5: that song. Same for all kinds of other things. Like 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 5: I mean, I say it, and I feel like now 194 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 5: we can all say the word retard, whereas before that 195 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 5: would have been something that you would have been canceled for. 196 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 5: So I see the real similarity in this sort of 197 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: the story of Lenny Bruce. After Lenny Bruce dies, the 198 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 5: country becomes far more vulgar and obscene. We sort of 199 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 5: accept it if you think about it. What's weird to 200 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: me if you were just kind of coming down as 201 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 5: like an alien anthropologist, right, if you came down to 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 5: American twenty twenty one, right, you would say, wait a second, 203 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 5: people can't say that not all police are trying to 204 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 5: kill black people. 205 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: That was like a thing at the time. 206 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 5: But Cardi b can come out with wet ass pussy, 207 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 5: and she, by the way, endorsed like Joe Biden in 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 5: the twenty twenty election. 209 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying. 210 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: So the other thing is the taboos shift over time. 211 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 5: What used to be like, you couldn't say fuck, you 212 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 5: couldn't say shit, you couldn't say all those words. Nobody 213 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: cares anymore about that. Now there are different taboos, and Lenny, 214 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 5: by the way, kind of like in all of them. 215 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: Even something. 216 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 5: Now here's the most interesting thing Mike rap on Lenny Bruce, 217 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 5: And I'll just end it on this. There's a famous 218 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 5: bit lent by the Dustin Hoffman recreates it in his 219 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 5: great movie Lenny I recommend everybody see Lenny. It's in 220 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: black and white. It's like when movies were great. That 221 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 5: was a great one where he goes into a club 222 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: and the first thing he says is he asks how 223 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 5: many N words are here tonight? Then he goes to 224 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 5: a bunch of other racial slurs and it's really uncomfortable. 225 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 5: The movie does a great job of kind of capturing 226 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 5: how uncomfortable that is, and then he kind of keeps going. 227 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 5: He says, listen, the reason I want to say it 228 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 5: is because when that word is un when we can't 229 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 5: say the word, it's an unspeakable word, that's what gives 230 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: it this power. So he's trying to suck the venom 231 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: out of it. Kind Of to me, that's a fascinating, 232 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: kind of a brilliant point. But the interesting thing is 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 5: that when he was going through his legal trials, you 234 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 5: can't find a transcript where they would prosecute him for 235 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 5: saying the N word. In nineteen sixty three nineteen sixty four, 236 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 5: it was all sex stuff or describing what they was, 237 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 5: all homosexual acts. That was what got him in trouble. 238 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 5: But nobody, the cops did not say you couldn't say 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 5: that now that to me is example of how the 240 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 5: taboo changes so much, you know what I'm saying. So 241 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 5: for me, I just think he's a fearless guy. I 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 5: don't think any I think every comic owes like a 243 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 5: debt to Lenny Bruce. So I wanted to make this, 244 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 5: you know, this sort of a labor of love because 245 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 5: I love comedy. 246 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: No, yeah, and you're right, I mean Lenny Bruce and 247 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: what he did and the impact of the cancel culture, 248 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: the not cancel culture, and you know, the Shane Gillis 249 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: and all of it and situations and stuff with myself 250 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: and you know what you should say, and that it's 251 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: really an interesting time. And you and I both on 252 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: the playing field on Twitter X and you know, we 253 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: both know the rules and regulations about the Twitter and 254 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: the X and how that goes. 255 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: And it's good that you did this. 256 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: And uh again, I urge everybody to subscribe, rate review 257 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: Eli's podcast Breaking History. Uh the newest episode Vulgarians at 258 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: the Gate, and it's on put out. 259 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: For the Free Press. 260 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: A shout out to the Free Press, and you could 261 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: find it everywhere in anywhere you listen to. 262 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 5: Pre Press Loves Mike rap By the way Prepress loves 263 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 5: Mike Rap just want to say you're you're, You're, You're 264 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: our kind of guy. 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: Good past. You know. 266 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: I read an article speaking of the Free Press's speaking 267 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: of all things that are going on in the world, 268 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: worldwide news, and you are the worldwide news correspondent of 269 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: the imrap Per Stereo podcast. So I have to ask 270 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: you a few questions about that because you've always shared 271 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: such great important insight. I know so much more than 272 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: I did when I first had you on the podcast 273 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: than I do now. But you are an expert, and 274 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: you you know, and I told you this the other day. 275 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: You know, some of the things that you understand about 276 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: how the foreign policy works in regards to the United 277 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,239 Speaker 2: States is so new to so many people, including myself, 278 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: and I think sometimes you might take it for granted, 279 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: thinking everybody knows what Eli Lake knows because you study this. 280 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 281 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 5: No, I've tried to got to, you know, kind of 282 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 5: break it down for a general audience. 283 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's important because a lot of people, 284 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: including myself, care more than they ever have. So you know, 285 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: this week, Qatar quitar guitar has been in the news. 286 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna ask you, like, why does Katar 287 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: have so much power and how the fuck does Katar. 288 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: Have so much money? 289 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: Well, okay, the money is because of the oil and 290 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 5: because Qatar is also was smart enough to kind of 291 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 5: set up a banking I mean, like there's a lot 292 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: of banking and oil that goes together, and so they 293 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 5: just made a mint on that. Now, if you want to, 294 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: and I don't want, I mean, we could spend the 295 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 5: next three hours talking about this piece, but we have 296 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 5: a massive investigation that we just dropped today on Qatar 297 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: by my colleagues Jay Solomon and Franny Block. 298 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: It's very good, by the way, Yeah, you gotta read. 299 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 5: That's a reference point if you really want to, like 300 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 5: get into the weeds, because that is a piece about 301 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: how this very wealthy nation and a very tiny nation 302 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 5: has used its like vast wealth to purchase influence all 303 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 5: over America. Not just it's a traditional way with like 304 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 5: you know, paying lawyers and life, but universities, they've got 305 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 5: media deals. It's unbelievable how much money they have poured 306 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 5: into influence in the last ten fifteen years. And that 307 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 5: is a huge thing right now. I mean you see it, 308 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 5: like I live in Washington, DC when a couple of 309 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 5: years ago when the Capitals won the Stanley Cup. I 310 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 5: mean you saw like brought to you by Qatar all 311 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 5: over like the subway and stuff. So there is a 312 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 5: major campaign and this is the piece to understanding all 313 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: of the people. People that you know are even real 314 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 5: good on Israel, like Lindsay Graham has certainly been boosted 315 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 5: by the Qataris. So I really got to say, you 316 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 5: got to read it. It's a terrific piece of journalism. 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 5: But the reason I think you're talking about it it's 318 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 5: been in the news this week is because the Kataris 319 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: just gave a gift of an air force one basically 320 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: to President Trump. And the original terms of the deal 321 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 5: was that he gets to keep the plane for his 322 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 5: presidential library. 323 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: That insane. 324 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: That's like a personal gift from a you know, frenemie nation. 325 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 5: And you know, the US relationship with the qatar is complicated. 326 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: We have a military base there. The Qataris also provide 327 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 5: their diplomatic offices, you could say, to speak to dirtbag 328 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 5: terrorist groups like Hamas. They were important in the diplomacy 329 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 5: with the getting out of Afghanistan, working with the Taliban, 330 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 5: and they have a relationship with the Iranians and the US. 331 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: He uses them as a kind of go between at times. 332 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 5: On the other hand, they're the one like all the 333 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 5: other Gulf states. I'm not a fan of how Saudi 334 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 5: organizes its society as an as an American who appreciates 335 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: small al liberal values, but they're on the right side 336 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 5: when it comes to radical Islamic terrorism. Qatar is no, 337 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 5: Qatar is not. That's the one Gulf state that isn't 338 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: Saudi Emirates. You know, these other countries that are part 339 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 5: of the Golf Cooperation Council, which is like I don't know, 340 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 5: something like eighty percent or seventy percent of the world's 341 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 5: oil is represented in this, you know, small group of 342 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: nations in the Persian Gulf. But what you have is 343 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: this one country, Qatar, that is still working with and 344 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 5: funding the radical Islamic terror groups, whether it's Hamas, they 345 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 5: work closely with the Taliban. They made a strategic decision 346 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: basically to try to play both sides, to have the 347 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 5: relationship in the United States but also the relationship with 348 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 5: radical Islam, and that has been the root of the problem. 349 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: If you want to know where the money for Hamas 350 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 5: and where the senior leadership. A lot of their senior 351 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 5: leadership lives. They live in Guitar. Some of them live 352 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 5: in Turkey. That's also bad. But it's mainly Qatar that 353 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 5: provides the money and the funding. You know, that was 354 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 5: almost certainly used into October seventh. I mean, that's that's 355 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: the reality. 356 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: Is there no way, you know, for me this week 357 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: with the. 358 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: Miracle incredible, crazy release of hostage eat On Alexander. 359 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: From New Jerseys born in tell Avis, but you grew 360 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: up in New. 361 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: Jersey and the idea of the plane being given to Trump, 362 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: whether or not that actually happens, and then it was 363 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: suggested that eat An Alexander go to Qatar and meet 364 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: Trump and the leaders of Qatar, and it really Eli, 365 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: it really sent me into a dark, sad spiral for 366 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: a few hours, Like I was just like, what the fuck? 367 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I came out of the spiral and 368 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: this is just a couple of days ago. 369 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: But I feel like, for all of our sakes, and 370 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: I know you can't answer this for sure, but is 371 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: it just like Qatar is not going to go anywhere 372 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: and we just have to sort of deal with them 373 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: the best we can and get the best and the 374 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: most out of it as Americans and as Zionus. And 375 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: it's like they're not going to just disappear. We're not 376 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: going to viscerate them from the face of the earth. 377 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: So we just have to like we got a fucking 378 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: party with them. 379 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 5: Like no, no, no. There's a couple of things. One is, 380 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 5: first of all, we should say that trump policies in 381 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 5: this regard are at at odds with them itself. It's 382 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 5: kind of a paradox. On the one hand, you have 383 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 5: a Department of Education at this point and a Justice 384 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: Department that is for the first time really looking at 385 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: all the foreign money that's poured into the universities and 386 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 5: guitar throws. I think twenty billion over the last twenty 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 5: five years. It's an incredible amount of money that they 388 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 5: have poured into some of our best universities. Getting a 389 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 5: handle on that, what is all that money buying them 390 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: is an important issue. And on the one hand, Trump's 391 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 5: has putty what so far looks like much better policies 392 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 5: than any of his predecessors. On the other hand, you 393 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 5: have Trump accepting at first the gift of the Air 394 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 5: Force one. I actually think he's gonna end up walking 395 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 5: away from that because there was too much outrage over it. 396 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 5: And you also have uh, you know, Trump visiting Doha, 397 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: he's meeting with I mean, I think it's a great 398 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: thing that Bashar Assad is no longer the leader of Syria. 399 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 5: But the guy who replaced him was a former hardcore 400 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 5: jahatist who killed Americans when he was in you know, 401 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 5: fighting us in Iraq. 402 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: There is no such thing as halfway. Gi Hottis. There's 403 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: no such thing as halfway. 404 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know. 405 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: Just to quote the great mob Deep a prodigy Havoc, 406 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as halfway crooks, and there's no 407 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: such thing as halfway. 408 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: Gi Hottis. 409 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 410 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: And other presidents, you're going we'll talk about Syria, but 411 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: other presidents have put sanctions on Syria. 412 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: They've removed sanctions on Syria. 413 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: As of the recording of this Iron Wrap Wort Stereo podcast, 414 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: America has removed sanctions on Syria. Like this guy's a 415 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: fucking psychopath, lunatic Jihattis. I don't care if you shave 416 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 2: him down and put him in a fucking who you know, heasy, 417 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: he is what he is. 418 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: Period, Well, there are I would say it was very 419 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 5: bad under Assad. I don't want to make this clear. 420 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: What was before was terrible. Assad was a direct ally 421 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: of Hesblah. Assad allowed for the transhipment of the missiles 422 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 5: that are that rained down on Israel. 423 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Know. 424 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 5: Assad was a terrible and also a brutal tyrant who 425 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: killed hundreds thousands of his own people. The new leadership 426 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 5: of Syria has a time said things that you'd like 427 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: to hear in terms of we think minorities and Christians 428 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 5: should be able to live here. But they've nonetheless been 429 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 5: horrific kind of ethnic purges as well, and it's unclear 430 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 5: whether he has ordered those or hasn't been powerful enough 431 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 5: to stop them. But there is a real problem. The 432 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: thing is, I think what Trump is trying to do 433 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: here is he's saying, all right, we're going to wipe 434 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: the slate clean. But it's very easy for the United 435 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 5: States to slap sanctions back on. And the one thing 436 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 5: that Trump has also made clear is he doesn't want 437 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 5: any more wars in the Middle East. It's interesting we 438 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 5: haven't seen yet him announced that there are US forces 439 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 5: in Syria still, and we haven't seen him announced that 440 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 5: the US is pulling out of Syria because it's a 441 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 5: small number of very highly trained special operators, so it's 442 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 5: a little bit more complicated. But I agree with you 443 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 5: there is no such thing as a halfway gee hottist. 444 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 5: And if his goal is to try to turn Syria 445 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 5: into like Taliban Afghanistan or something like that, then that's 446 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 5: going to be a huge problem. And it's one of 447 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 5: the reasons why, I mean, I find this amazing and fascinating. 448 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 5: But one of the subplots of all this is that 449 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 5: you're seeing hundreds and now thousands of Druze citizens of 450 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 5: Syria saying they want to be under Israel. That's amazing. 451 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 5: Drus are Arabs, by the way, that's not like a 452 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 5: special I mean, it's so so what you're seeing is 453 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 5: that like there's a huge reshuffling of stuff right now, and. 454 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: And there was just a terrible assault and violence and 455 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, killings of the Jews in Syria. 456 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so the Israel they wanted Israel to be 457 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 5: their protector, right and by the way, this is why, 458 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 5: thank god, you know, under pressure from Clinton and later Obama, 459 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 5: Israel didn't give up the goal on heights. Could you 460 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 5: imagine if they didn't have that very important strategic position 461 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 5: right now. The other thing to say is that for 462 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 5: all the foots hee that that Trump is playing with 463 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 5: Katar and that's you know, and there's these negotiations with Iran, 464 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 5: we don't know how that's going to go. All that's 465 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: on the Werrying side. He's been pretty good on Israel. 466 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 5: He has not been like Biden. He hasn't tried to 467 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 5: micromanage their decisions on war and so forth. You're not 468 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 5: seeing any kind of pressure in that regard. So I 469 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: think there's a lot of unresolved policies at this point. 470 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 5: I'm most concerned that he's going to go for a 471 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 5: weak deal with Iran, and that will allow Iran to 472 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 5: keep its ability to make nuclear fuel. So what it 473 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 5: will be, basically is that he will lift sanctions in 474 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 5: exchange for a promise from the Iranians not to enrich 475 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: uranium to the point that they could be used in 476 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 5: a nuclear weapon. And that's just not going to be 477 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 5: good enough, and especially since right now they're defenseless against 478 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 5: an air strike because of Israel's work last year. So 479 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 5: it would be nice to try to take out some 480 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 5: of the industrial scale centrifuges that the Iranians have assembled, 481 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 5: and I agree that is unclear what's going to happen 482 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 5: right now with Trump, although what Trump's also saying is 483 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 5: it's not that we're not going to negotiate forever. There's 484 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 5: a time limit here. If we can't get to a 485 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 5: good deal, then we're gonna have to go the other way. So, 486 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see. This might be his way of 487 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 5: trying to convince the Tucker Carlson wing of the party 488 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 5: that he did everything he could to try to do 489 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 5: it without force, but now he has to use force 490 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 5: because he won't allow them to get a nuclear weapon. 491 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 5: If he does that, he'll that'll be great. If he 492 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 5: ends up kicking the can down the road for another 493 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 5: bad Obama style deal, then uh, it's gonna be very 494 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 5: bad for Israel. It's gonna be very bad I think 495 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 5: for the region of the world. 496 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: I hope he loses his patience because their week you 497 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: said it. Israel decimated their their defense system in October 498 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four and the world hasn't officially thanked 499 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: Israel for doing that. 500 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: And there was some incredible IAF people, and some of 501 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: them were women, and they went in there in one. 502 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: Beautiful night, unbelievable, knock the shit out of them, and uh, 503 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: it's that wasn't even by the way, that wasn't even 504 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: their best game. 505 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: No, they went in there that wasn't even their best game. 506 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: That wasn't that wasn't their like fifty five of the 507 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 5: Garden that was like that was like their third best game. 508 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: That wasn't even a game. 509 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: I think they were in the warm up line. I 510 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: think it was like a lot of dunks in the war, 511 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: blah blah, like yeah, we can't do this, we can 512 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: we we could start, you know, shooting threes and all that, 513 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: but right now we're just warming up and we're showing 514 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: you like boom, we can fucking dunk on your head, 515 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: like we can do like that old school dominiqueuil. 516 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Can that Doctor j shit? You know that Sean Kemp 517 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: shit podcast. You said Tucker Carlson. 518 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: And the right right wing and the Tucker Calson part 519 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: of the Republican Party. Is I know you can't say 520 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: this for sure, it's all your opinion. Does Tucker Calson 521 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: have a say in the party? Is he like a 522 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: Rabbel riser pot stirring of fuck? Because you know, I've 523 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: come to terms with some of these people, and I 524 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: get some of these people. I think Tucker Carlson, you know, 525 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: because I know we're gonna get into Countie. I think 526 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson is a bad guy. I think Tucker Carlson 527 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: has anti Semitic thoughts through his head. And I think 528 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: his whole America First thing is a put on. I 529 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: think he's you know, this is his laying, this is 530 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: his audience. But the amount of discussion that he does 531 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: about Jews in Israel, and not just Israel, it's Jews 532 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: in Israel. The amount of people that he has on 533 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: his show about Jews in Israel, and it's all negative views, 534 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: negative points of view, negative vibes, And anybody. 535 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: Would go on Tucker Carlson. 536 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: There's so many great people that are pro Zionists, pro 537 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: Israel that he could have on. He doesn't have any 538 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: of them on when he mentions Israel. It's always with 539 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: a negative vibe and a negative guest, what is his 540 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: fucking deal, Tucker Carlson. He could have on Barry Weiss, 541 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: he could have on Dance in You, or he could 542 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: have on you. 543 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: He could have on one a Viva. 544 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 5: Klimpas he's on g He's on jihat against Barry Weiss. 545 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 5: He's like he's definitely going after her. 546 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: Well, Tucker Carlson, man, I can't stand this motherfucker. 547 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 5: Well, okay, so a couple of things. I Uh, I've 548 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 5: known Tucker for a long time. I mean in Washington. 549 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 5: I've been on his old Fox show, And I would 550 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 5: say that, like, there was a moment in twenty when 551 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 5: the whole media was like insane and telling us there 552 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 5: were mostly peaceful riots, when there were real riots and 553 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 5: shit like that, and he was the one place you 554 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 5: could go and you could get like real information. So 555 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: I credit him for that. He's, by the way, he 556 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: is a really smart guy. I think you're right he 557 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: has taken a turn. But here's the other thing I 558 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 5: would say about Tucker Carlson. I wonder sometimes how much 559 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 5: of this is a play to take away the audience 560 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 5: of the very successful Ben Shapiro media founded operation, The 561 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 5: Daily Wire. The Daily Wire is a right wing conservative 562 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: news organization that did better than all of the other 563 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 5: you know, conservative news outlets. It took off, and this 564 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 5: is a way of kind of trying to get people 565 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 5: to turn on his audience by making Israel the big issue, 566 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 5: and I don't think it really should be the big issue, 567 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: but that's I think that's one element of maybe what's 568 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 5: going on is that Tucker's started his own media company 569 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: and he is trying to very cynically create another space 570 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 5: on the right. The other thing is this he is 571 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 5: found that by kind of signaling, if you will, in 572 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: some ways like that you know, there's this you know, 573 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: powerful Jewish lobby, Israel lobby that is silencing us, and 574 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: that if you if you say the wrong thing, you know, 575 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 5: the bad things are going to happen to you. Well, 576 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 5: he's playing on like there's a lot of people out 577 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 5: there that want to hear that. So there's a there's 578 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 5: an audience of Americans and we're a big country, as 579 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 5: you know, and you don't need that many and you know, 580 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 5: so he's gone there. I also have a problem by 581 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 5: the way that he went to Vladimir Putin's Russia and 582 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 5: had like this fawning interview with the President of Russia 583 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 5: where he let him get away with all kinds of 584 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 5: stuff that he wouldn't have done if he had on 585 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 5: like you know, somebody who we disagreed with. So I again, 586 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 5: I have a lot of criticisms of him, but I 587 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: think it's a problem and in terms of his power 588 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 5: with in the Republican Party, I can tell you that 589 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 5: nobody wants to cross him. I think if Tucker goes 590 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 5: after you, it's a huge problem, you know, kind of 591 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 5: on the right, and you will find yourself vulnerable in 592 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: a primary if you're an elected official. And so I 593 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 5: think that's another part of it as well, where there's 594 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 5: a kind of sense where he does have a lot 595 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 5: of power. And he was brought in early on in 596 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 5: the transition for in mar A Lago as they were 597 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: coming up with who was going to staff the second 598 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 5: Trump administration. Tucker was, you know, one of those voices 599 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 5: that could veto somebody didn't think would be worth it. 600 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 5: Had a lot of influence in terms of who would 601 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 5: get the top jobs in the US government. So he's 602 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 5: a powerful figure right now on the right. And I 603 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 5: think he's made it pretty clear that he doesn't I mean, 604 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 5: like his what he says about Iran doesn't make any 605 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 5: sense to me, which is like he always puts it 606 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 5: on like we don't want to start a war with Iran. 607 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 5: This is a country that blew up our soldiers in 608 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 5: Iraq and Afghanistan with these roadside bombs. This is a 609 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 5: country that is menacing its neighbors. It supports terrorism that 610 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 5: has kidnapped Americans, that has killed Americans. Iran's been at 611 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 5: war with us, you know what I'm saying. So he's 612 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: flipping that in a way that makes it seem like 613 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 5: people are seeking out war with Iran without acknowledging all 614 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 5: the things that Iran is doing that you know are 615 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: obviously they are continuing to be at war with us. 616 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 5: So for me, it's like I have a real problem 617 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 5: with how he presents it. But unfortunately he's a big 618 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 5: platform right now and just got to deal with it. 619 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 5: This is the world we live in unfortunately. 620 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. Yeah, I don't have. 621 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: The the kouth or the coolness. I'm too emotional to 622 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: play games with people like him. I see through the 623 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: bullshit and I see what they're doing, and I get 624 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: you know, you're right about the media company and the 625 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro of it all, and I just don't have 626 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: the tolerant for it. It's too like, you know, mind gaming, 627 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 2: and I'm not down with that shit. I'm down with 628 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not down with that shit. 629 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 5: But he's I just point something out like, because you 630 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 5: are you've lived this, okay, When people showed up at 631 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 5: your clubs where you were performing and putting pressure on 632 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 5: the venues, that was an effort to try to silence 633 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 5: you to cancel you didn't work. Obviously, it's not going 634 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 5: to cancel Mike Wrap. But the point is is that 635 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 5: he's making it seem like the only side that's trying 636 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 5: to cancel anyone is the pro Israel side. I don't 637 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 5: know about you. My view is I don't want to cancel. 638 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 5: Like I understand that there's anti Semites out there. I 639 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 5: want to use my free speech to counter their their 640 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 5: anti Semitic speech. That's how I look at it. Maybe 641 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 5: there are people who think that there should be people 642 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 5: who are canceled for saying certain things, but it is 643 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 5: a kind of like weird vice that the Jewish Americans 644 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 5: right now are in because we're really not calling on 645 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 5: people to be canceled. We're not calling on people that 646 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 5: he's saying, you can't say that they're going to be consequences. 647 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 5: It's the other side that's doing it. But then they're 648 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 5: playing the victim very much like the Israel Palestine conflict. 649 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, say, it's the same thing. 650 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 5: Like, like I'm saying, what is it when they're like 651 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 5: protesting you that what are they doing? They're trying to 652 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 5: get the club owner to cancel your gig. That's what 653 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 5: they're doing. They're trying to stop you from earning your 654 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 5: money and you're applying your trade and saying what you 655 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 5: want to say, and that they do that shit all 656 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 5: the time. And it's like then they go around and 657 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 5: they say, oh, you're trying to censor me. 658 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: That's right, shit, Yeah, I I totally agree. All right, 659 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: you said you had some questions. 660 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 5: For me what I wanted to get your take on, Like, 661 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 5: you know, I I wouldn't call myself necessarily. I don't 662 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 5: defend Kanye's ridiculous and uh just asinine opinions and what 663 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 5: he says and his flirtations with anti Semitism, which is 664 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 5: more than a flirtation. Now it's who he is, I guess, 665 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 5: but this seems to have crossed the line, this latest. 666 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 5: I just wanted to what the fuck? 667 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 4: Man? 668 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 5: And by the way, isn't it weird that black people 669 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 5: are in the video? Do you know about Hitler. Do 670 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 5: you know what the Nazis said about like the black race? 671 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 5: I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm 672 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 5: just trying to see. I didn't see the video. I 673 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 5: think it's well. People will do anything for money. Fame 674 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: is the ultimate drug. And if Kanye says you're gonna 675 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 5: be in a Kanye video. 676 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: People will will you know, They'll put on the baby 677 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: oil and they'll throw up Hitler signs and they'll do 678 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: you know, they'll do whatever. 679 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: I mean. 680 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: I think that he is rubber room status. I think 681 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: he should be in a mental institution. I think that 682 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm glad that the Kardashians won't let him see his kids. 683 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: Anybody who says he loves Hitler and loves Nazis and 684 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 2: he's a Nazi, why would you want any kids, let 685 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: alone the mother of your kids. Why would you want 686 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: this person around them. I think Donda's alive. I think 687 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: his mother is actually still alive. 688 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: I think I think that's my theory. 689 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: I think that Donda is alive with Tupac and Cuba, 690 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 2: and she could no longer. 691 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: Stand uh, she could understand. 692 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: The reality that her son is Kanye West so and 693 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: I think she she lives in Cuba in shame with Tupac. 694 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: So would you would you. 695 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 5: Con see that over his career I'm not talking about 696 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 5: like over his career. The man has put out some bangers, 697 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 5: no doubt, no doubt. I mean, okay, yeah, yeah. 698 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean, of course he's put out more than just 699 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: just some bangers. I mean he's one of the most 700 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 2: prolific artists of his generation. That being said, you know, 701 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: I could move on from listening to him ever again. 702 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: I'd never put him in my top five, never at 703 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 2: his high point ever. But you know, I'm not gonna 704 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 2: say he wasn't. You know, he didn't make a lot 705 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 2: of incredible music I put. 706 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 5: I put him on the top five producers. I wouldn't 707 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 5: call him a top five lyricist. 708 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I would have to look. 709 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd put him in my top five, 710 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't argue with him being in a top 711 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: He's made smackers, he's made club bangers, he's made hardcore 712 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 2: hip hop, you know, boom back beats. 713 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: He's you know, he. 714 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: Was extremely prolific and extremely important artist. Unfortunately those days 715 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: are done and he's he's like a boxer who's been 716 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 2: punched and beaten up too many times, and he's continued 717 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: to show up in the ring. He's like a fifty 718 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: one year old heavyweight fighter who keeps coming to the 719 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: ring flabby, out of shape and needs to just you know, 720 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: shut it down. That's where he's at now, and I 721 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: think he should be in an institution, you know, calling 722 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 2: for Chief to to you know, hold his arms up 723 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: and throw the ball in his hand like Jack Nicholson and. 724 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 4: Love the one flow of the Coogers. 725 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 5: Okay, since we got a little bit more time left, 726 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 5: I just want to get like, how excited are you 727 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 5: about this next team? 728 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,959 Speaker 1: Man? No, ma, I'm very excited about this next team. 729 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm hoping and praying by the time this Iron Rapport 730 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: Stereo podcast comes out that we are in the Eastern 731 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 2: Conference Finals Old School versus the Indiana Pacers. 732 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 1: There's no love loss there either. 733 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I think of the Indiana Pacers, 734 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: it's not so much the franchise or the city the 735 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: way Boston affects me Beyond the Celtics the Celtics, there 736 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: is no Celtics Nicks rivalry. There never was even in 737 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies. I mean, We had some good 738 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 2: matchups as. 739 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 5: A seventies the rivalry because they won the year after 740 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 5: you got you know a little bit. 741 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like back and forth. It was more 742 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: of the Lakers Celtics. 743 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 2: That being said, New York, Boston, Boston, New York Patriots, Giants, 744 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Bruins, Rangers, and just Boston in general. 745 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: They have an inferiority complex towards all things in New York. 746 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 2: And that's fine. This is the world's greatest city. Boston's 747 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: a fine city with great people. However, you're never gonna 748 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 2: be New York. And you could have Banna after Banna 749 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 2: after no Wa, Gopaciaparra and your Matt Damons and your 750 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 2: Beneffleckx and all the Greek comedians you talk about comedians 751 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: that have come out of a Boston. The list goes 752 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 2: on and on and on. That being said, you'll never 753 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: be New York. And that's why this year, going at 754 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 2: the Celtics, it's like a double triple win. It's not 755 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: just a win or a series. It's like it means 756 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: more to put our thumb on them and remind them 757 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: that were the greatest city in the world. 758 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 4: I agree. 759 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 5: I have to also say, you look at the roster 760 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 5: on paper and you're like, how's that team gonna get 761 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 5: all these points? And then Jalen Brunson finds a way 762 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 5: with that old man style, but he has mastered it. 763 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 5: And what It's like a breath of fresh air in 764 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 5: the sense of, like, I just he's bringing back this thing. Remember, 765 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 5: like it was like when I just thought everybody was 766 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 5: trying to beat Steph Cerry, you know what I mean, 767 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 5: Like everyone's gonna just be that guy dropping bombs at 768 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 5: behind the three, off the dribble, doing all that thing, 769 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 5: and he's like the mid range Master. He's so gritty, 770 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 5: and it seems like he's just one of those incredible athletes. 771 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 5: When the pressure is at its highest, he performs at 772 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 5: his highest level. My hat is off to him as 773 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 5: much as I you know, I feel as a Sixers fan, 774 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 5: I fucking hate the Knicks and the Celtics, but this 775 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 5: series really just brought me in. I mean, they showed 776 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 5: so much heart and they were winning that game before Tatum. 777 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 5: They were winning that game before Tatum got. 778 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 2: Oh no, that game was the game was done. The 779 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: game was done before the great Jason Tatum went down 780 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: and by the. 781 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 4: Way, he was having an all world performance. 782 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: I mean, he's sick, and I hope he's you know, 783 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: better soon, because you never want to win like that. 784 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: You never want to close out a series like that ever, ever, ever. 785 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 5: But they were gonna win that game even if he 786 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 5: wasn't down. I really believe that was. They were like 787 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 5: seven or eight. And when he went, when he got 788 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 5: the Achilles. 789 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 2: Game four was was was done. So that that game 790 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: was done. But I wish him well and I you know, 791 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 2: and I wish the Celtics well in the future. It's 792 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 2: just not this year. This year's done. As of the 793 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: recording this Iron Rapport Stereo Pockets, I hope I'm that, 794 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 2: you know, I have to eat those words anyway, Eli, 795 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 2: I want everybody to make sure they follow you on 796 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 2: Twitter where you're. 797 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: You're one of my first people. Every day I go 798 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: to you on Twitter. 799 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 2: And follow Eli Lake at Eli Lake, and you subscribe, 800 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 2: rate review to his podcast Breaking History, which is put 801 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 2: out by the Free Press, and make sure you check 802 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: out this new episode, Bulgarians at the Gate, which is 803 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 2: House Censors Lost, the Culture War and all. 804 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: Things Lenny Bruce. This is an incredible episode. 805 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 2: We talked Qatar, Saudi terrorist, Kanye and Lenny Bruce. 806 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: Who's doing that? 807 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 2: Nobody else is doing that and it made a great 808 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 2: mob deep reference. This is a fantastic episode once again. 809 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 4: Museum quality podcast. 810 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: Boom Eli. I appreciate you coming and the insight and 811 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: the friendship. 812 00:41:49,520 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 5: Man I could do you absolutely, absolutely too.