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Speaker 1: I had a great athletic experience. I had an amazing opportunity.

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Speaker 1: even with the win, there are costs that come with it,

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Speaker 1: costs that we are not seeing until the athlete retires

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Speaker 1: and says, hey, i have two Olympic medals, but I'm

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Speaker 1: struggling with my mental health. This is the Reform Sports Project,

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Speaker 1: a podcast about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all

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Speaker 1: areas of sports through education and advocacy. This is Nick

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Speaker 1: Monacoor from the Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with

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Speaker 1: Katherine Reuter Attomic, former world class short track speed skater

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Speaker 1: who won silver and bronze at the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: ten Vancouver Olympic Games. A highly regarded coach and motivational speaker,

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Speaker 1: Katherine founded the mental coaching platform Fix Your Mindset to

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Speaker 1: share her practical strategies for improving mindset, body movement, health

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Speaker 1: and wellbeing. Katherine and I discuss the cost of early

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Speaker 1: sports specialization, why achieving athletic success at a young age

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Speaker 1: does not guarantee happy this as an adult, and how

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Speaker 1: to teach kids to develop a healthy sense of self

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Speaker 1: worth and identity. Back in the saddle. Another ridiculous guest.

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Speaker 1: Super fired up to have her. She does amazing work.

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Speaker 1: She's a two time Olympic medalist, a mental skills coach

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Speaker 1: and all around bad a. But super pumped to have her.

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Speaker 1: Katherine Reuter adamant, Katherine, thank you so much for hopping on. Yeah, Nick,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. No doubt about it. I'm super

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Speaker 1: pumped up. I know, just from going back and forth

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Speaker 1: through text and emails and of course reading about your bio,

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Speaker 1: your path and such, I want to learn more about it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pumped to have you tell me about short

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Speaker 1: track speed skate. How do you get into it? Was

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Speaker 1: I learned how to skate with my mom. I grew

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Speaker 1: So when you get on skates, was that it? Did

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Speaker 1: I dabbled for a long time, and as a coach

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Speaker 1: What was your experience? Like my parents had two separate roles.

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Speaker 1: look like, what's an appropriate amount of training time versus

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Speaker 1: But my personal experience was, if you're willing to win

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Speaker 1: This is what it's costing the next generation of athlete

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Speaker 1: Because I think it's so important. We talk about self worth,

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Speaker 1: you know, identifying identifying with performance. And I know me

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Speaker 1: as a parent with six kids, I sometimes have to

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Speaker 1: check myself with being over indulging when my kids perform

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Speaker 1: And any parent can achieve that for theirselves and for

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Speaker 1: and love your wisdom. You know, as you continue to coach,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's time in the world let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: we're seeing trauma, we're seeing addiction, and sports is a

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Speaker 1: an organization called the Positive Coaching Alliance that's doing this.

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Speaker 1: Octagon is clearly doing this with getting the word out

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Speaker 1: and supporting athletes, spreading the message and telling their stories.

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Speaker 1: There's less that we can do. I personally would say

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Speaker 1: to have the most positive experience in sport possible. Administrators, coaches,

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Speaker 1: what are you guys doing to build mental toughness in

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Speaker 1: our athletes. I don't want to fix it later. I

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Speaker 1: after they've already fallen behind. I want them to build

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Speaker 1: a model of mental toughness so that, regardless of their

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Speaker 1: success in sport, they have skills to be happy and

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Speaker 1: successful throughout their life. Catherine, this has been freaking I

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Speaker 1: got I say this sometimes. I actually just this morning

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Speaker 1: at it all, but if I did, it would be standing.

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Speaker 1: You got me fired up. You got me fired up.

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Speaker 1: Where can we find you? Where? Where can people find

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Speaker 1: your content? Can they can reach out? Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: find me at fixure mindset dot com. You can reach

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Speaker 1: out me to me directly either through the website or

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Speaker 1: at my email which is Katherine at fix your mindset

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Speaker 1: dot com. And I'm happy to be a resource. I

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Speaker 1: hope to answer lots of questions and help the next

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Speaker 1: generation of athletes, parents, administrators, and coaches do a better

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Speaker 1: job building the model of mental toughness. Katherine Reuter Adamic,

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Speaker 1: I cannot thank you enough for coming on. You have

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Speaker 1: been awesome. We'll definitely connect again soon. Thanks Nick. That's

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Speaker 1: Katherine Reuter Adamic, World champion speed skater and mindset coach.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nick Boncour and our goal is to restore a healthy

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Speaker 1: balance and perspective in all areas of sport through education

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