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Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressing this podcast are solely those

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Speaker 1: of the authors and participants and do not necessarily represent

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Speaker 1: those of iHeart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. This

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Speaker 1: series contains discussions of violence and sexual violence. Listener discretion

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Speaker 1: is advised previously an algorithm. After graduating high school in

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Speaker 1: in Lima, Ohio, Vaughan returned to Indiana, where he says

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Speaker 1: he committed three murders in Hammond, killing a couple as

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Speaker 1: part of a robbery and shooting a man after getting

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Speaker 1: into a fight. You said that you shot him near

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Speaker 1: the telephone call that was directly across right from there.

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Speaker 1: How many times you think you shot at? By? After

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Speaker 1: a stint in the Marines, some head trauma and a

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Speaker 1: less than honorable discharge, Vaughn began dating a woman twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years older than him. They moved to Texas and

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Speaker 1: got married, but life kept drawing vond back to Gary

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Speaker 1: and they moved back. Around the year two thousand, Von

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Speaker 1: grew apart from his wife. He made a new girlfriend, Sharifa,

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Speaker 1: but it was an abusive relationship. In two thousand four,

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Speaker 1: he and Sharitha had a child together, but shortly after

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Speaker 1: their child's birth. The child died. That n a dead

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Speaker 1: moment for we allowed the child. We're going through the

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Speaker 1: morning period. She was out, took the money to the nopeman.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's just too got me. What do

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Speaker 1: you want to fuck up? Like if we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: beat this ship over from my Heart radio and Tenderfoot TV,

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Speaker 1: this is algorithm, I'm ben key break. After Von and

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Speaker 1: Shretha's child died, Sharia escaped Vaughn and went into hiding.

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Speaker 1: Von suspected Sharitha was staying with a friend of hers,

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Speaker 1: a man named David Abraham, who Vaughan said was a

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Speaker 1: drug dealer and a member of a rival gang, the

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Speaker 1: Vice Lords. Dude, we woke through somebody. I'm too, According

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Speaker 1: to a police report, near the beginning of April two

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Speaker 1: thousand four, Vaughan showed up at Abram's house and asked

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Speaker 1: if Shritha was there. Abram told him she wasn't, but

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Speaker 1: Vaughan got angry. I know she's in there, he said,

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Speaker 1: and kept demanding to see her, but eventually Von gave

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Speaker 1: up and left. The Next day, Vaughan returned, this time

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Speaker 1: with police officers. Vaughn told them that Abram had shot

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Speaker 1: at his cousin Darryl. Abram talked to the police and

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Speaker 1: they left and Vaughan left as well. But Abram started

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Speaker 1: hearing through the grape vine that Vaughn was hatching a

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Speaker 1: plan to get back at him. Vaughn was telling people

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Speaker 1: Abram's house. A few days later, Abram was driving through

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Speaker 1: his neighborhood when he saw Van storming towards his house

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Speaker 1: and said that Shreta owed him seven thousand dollars. Abraham

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Speaker 1: tried to reason with Vaughan. He remembered saying, you're going

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Speaker 1: to burn down my family, innocent people, over a woman.

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Speaker 1: Vaughan responded, give me seven thousand dollars and you can

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Speaker 1: get Von to calm down, but things escalated. Instead, Vaughn

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Speaker 1: The officers advised Abraham to get away from Vaughan, so

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Speaker 1: then heard Von stepping inside Vaughan yelled that if she

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Speaker 1: If he had tried to strike that cigarette line and

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Speaker 1: the women he's actually killed. Rice says that he was

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Speaker 1: my first time ever going to a hospital situation like

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Speaker 1: this one was. It was a strange scene with Sharifa

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Speaker 1: The girl was, of course scared. She was screaming, please

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Speaker 1: help me a lot. The officers tried to calm Vonda down.

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Speaker 1: You trying to tell him you haven't heard anybody it's

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Speaker 1: But he really didn't want to be, for some reason

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Speaker 1: light both of him up. And how would you describe

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Speaker 1: us watch teams actually grabbed him. He ran up, also

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Speaker 1: prod him away from her. Vaughn was charged with felony

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Speaker 1: breaking and entering and felony intimidation. He took a plea

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Speaker 1: deal that knocked off the intimidation charge, and the judge

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Speaker 1: down to a misdemeanor. Vaughn was sentenced to a year

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Speaker 1: was a deeply troubled person before this all happened. But

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Speaker 1: the beginning of his downward spiral. And then it seemed

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Speaker 1: the beginning of his downward spiral, it may have been

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Speaker 1: of control again. I never made him back. Un Once

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Speaker 1: to hunt. In this part of the interview, Vaughan clearly

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Speaker 1: again after his release in two thousand five. In two

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Speaker 1: his next documented crime. This next section is going to

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, This is he's told me

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Speaker 1: the person I've always tooke. China was going around telling

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Speaker 1: west side of town. It was like a singing from

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Speaker 1: a horror movie. This episode was written and produced by

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Speaker 1: me then Keith. Break Algorithm is executive produced by Alex

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Speaker 1: will Umes, Donald Albright and Matt Frederick. Production assistance and

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Speaker 1: mixing by Eric Quintana. The music is by Makeup and

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Speaker 1: Vanity Set and Blue Dot Sessions. Thanks to Christina Dana,

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Speaker 1: Miranda Hawkins, Jamie Albright, Rema l Kali, Trevor Young, and

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Speaker 1: Josh Thane for their help and notes. And if you're

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