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Speaker 2: he is, Matt Williamson and Matt. A huge, huge signing

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Jalen Hurts signs a new contract makes him

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Speaker 4: Five years, two hundred and fifty five million dollars, one

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Speaker 4: that fully guaranteed. Are the Baltimore Ravens cursing under their

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Speaker 2: Over the place today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And who knows exactly how it's structured. You know,

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Speaker 1: mean that sounds like the agent's report. You know, we

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Speaker 1: And you know you brought up the Dolphins. I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's not even.

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Speaker 1: The mortgaging their future like crazy.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, he went seven hundred days without playing.

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Speaker 4: So it Hurts has started fifteen games in each of

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Speaker 2: No, there's always going to be risk when you spend

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Speaker 4: Two hundred and fifty million dollar contract over a five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which'll keep going up. But so his yearly rates

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Speaker 1: You're losing by four. I mean, you tell Josh, hey,

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Speaker 2: You know, don't go out there and get hurt.

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Speaker 4: A very dangerous play for your quarterback with everybody falling

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Speaker 2: All those and he's for you. He's a big dude.

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Speaker 4: That's another forty six hits he took standing in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shootout, that's what they want. They have pass rushers

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Speaker 2: That's how they're built to play.

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Speaker 4: That's like going into a you know, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 4: They want to come out and everybody lines up and

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Speaker 2: M hm no. And then the American said, we're not

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get behind We're gonna stand behind trees and

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Speaker 4: shoot at these guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wear red in their forest.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna ambush them, and you know, do things like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to fight these guys head on. They

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Speaker 1: It's like the walk. I mean, I always use this

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Speaker 1: example too, Like I might beat Steph Curry in a

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Speaker 1: one or first one to two, but if it's first

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Speaker 1: one to one hundred, I'll never ever, ever, ever win.

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Speaker 1: But if I can limit the Chiefs to eight or

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Speaker 1: nine possessions and not thirteen, I got a better chance.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing that I said after that playoff

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Speaker 4: game a couple of years ago, when they went out

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Speaker 4: there and the Steelers defense holds them out, keeps them

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Speaker 4: out of the end zone on six consecutive possessions, to

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Speaker 4: start the game right right, six consecutive possessions that only

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Speaker 4: got them to midway through the second quarter because the offense,

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Speaker 1: You can't give that many bites at the Apple and

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Speaker 1: the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Defense even scored. They scored, and it didn't matter because

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Speaker 2: it was only seven to nothing.

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Speaker 4: If after six, if they if you can limit them

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Speaker 4: to six possessions and all of a sudden, we're in

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Speaker 4: the middle of the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Now we're all in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in it, right.

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Speaker 4: That's how the Bengals have beaten them, exactly exactly. You

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Speaker 4: limit those possessions so you play good defense, but you

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Speaker 4: also control the football.

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Speaker 1: It has to be a team win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Agree.

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Speaker 4: You saw what the Bills tried to win a shootout

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Speaker 4: with him in the playoffs a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: We saw how that worked out. Game goes overtime and

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Speaker 4: bing bing bing games over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still a big believer that fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: defense is nearly extinct, especially for a team like the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mahomes and Reid figure you out and you

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Speaker 1: get you're tired, run around it and trying to keep

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Speaker 1: up up and on one note about that Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame thing too, because I brought it

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Speaker 1: up on my podcast the other day and my co

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Speaker 1: host said, that's a really interesting conversation. But there's a

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Speaker 1: chicken her egg too, you know, like, would you like

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Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer if he didn't win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowls? And is he the reason that the

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Speaker 1: Giants won the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: It is probably their d line, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't even know that Eli is

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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, and.

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Speaker 1: I think he's as close to a borderline guy as

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Speaker 1: there's ever gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Too. He mightn't get my vote, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think he's gonna go, you know.

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