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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcasts depict with Kathy Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by Head and Shoulders. My name is Dan Hansas, and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by a room billed with heroes Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf, and Gregg roseatal what's up people, Hey, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: that time money nailed it. Kathy f is high on

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Speaker 1: our s list. And this is some judge with a

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Speaker 1: ton of money cash phone out of her pocket, thinks

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Speaker 1: she can go take a vacation in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the NFL season, with with work to do, with decisions

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Speaker 1: coming down. Kathy F up in the Poconos put it

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Speaker 1: this way during the Zeke Elliott appeal process, as the

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Speaker 1: lawyers are going back and forth her She's got like

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Speaker 1: the thousand yards stare, and then you like cut into

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Speaker 1: her inner monologue. It's just like how you have to

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Speaker 1: bring here's your love, every beautiful, every lodge must be nice,

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Speaker 1: speaking a lodge the pos several times, I am you

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Speaker 1: are the only person I know that went and mesmerized,

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Speaker 1: because al right, two people on this show have been

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Speaker 1: I spent my whole childhood watching those ads, wondering what

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Speaker 1: it was there. Look at Greg. Greg grew up on

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Speaker 1: the East Coast. He doesn't even know the commercial. It

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Speaker 1: might be a little you might be a little young

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Speaker 1: for because I'm saving you know, they would have different

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Speaker 1: I lived in western Massachusetts. It's probably yet territory. My

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Speaker 1: family grew up right at the Pocono Raceway. I was

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Speaker 1: the wolf side of the found goose bumps being that

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Speaker 1: close to the hollow grounds of the Poconos Races. Um

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Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast. It's our Tuesday show as we

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Speaker 1: start looking forward to week fourteen, but so much to

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Speaker 1: get to is a busy show on me up today?

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Speaker 1: Monday Night football review, A memorable maybe not for the

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Speaker 1: right reasons, but a memorable Monday night matchup between the

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Speaker 1: Steelers and the Bengals. UM comeback for Pittsburgh and terrible

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Speaker 1: injury for Ryan Shazier. We're gonna get into all that.

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Speaker 1: We will. We talked about this um back and I

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Speaker 1: think July or August, and now we're gonna reservice it.

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Speaker 1: What coaches and Greg, I know this is a tough

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Speaker 1: situation for you when we talk with this hot butts

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Speaker 1: a little hot butt talk. I just don't like the

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Speaker 1: term hot butt and the sound of that's happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but what's what's the difference between hot seat and everybody

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Speaker 1: loves saying hot seat and we say hot but because

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we're torturing someone, Well, now you're for

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Speaker 1: drop itself. The hot makes me feel uncomfortable. Hot seats

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Speaker 1: suggests that your butt is touching the hotness of the seat.

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Speaker 1: So I think Dan has just gotten sort of cut

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Speaker 1: to the chase with hot butts. And we're also going

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Speaker 1: to do a Thursday night football preview, Big Gang, Big

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Speaker 1: NFC South show down between the Saints and the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big one. So so much to get

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Speaker 1: to today. Let's not um dilly dally, no more moultinary

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Speaker 1: lodge talk. No enough of that. Let's start with a

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Speaker 1: little Monday night football. Boswell was running half football, put

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Speaker 1: down the kicks off arching frough and god, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: have won it on a thirty yard game winning field

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Speaker 1: goal by Chris Buzzwell. That's Kevin Harland, of course, of

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Speaker 1: Westwood One. Chris Boswell kicked that field goal on the

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Speaker 1: final play of regulation after Antonio brown Um caught a

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Speaker 1: six yard touch dump has to tie the game. In

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the Pittsburgh Steelers come all the way back,

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Speaker 1: facing a seventeen point deficit in the first half, three

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Speaker 1: West was here, and we wish he was, he would

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Speaker 1: laugh at the term rival because once again this is

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Speaker 1: the most one sided rivalry in the NFL. And Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: did it too since again ending all but ending their

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Speaker 1: They are in a tough spot. And and beyond that, um,

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Speaker 1: they just they didn't show any heart clothesing out that

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Speaker 1: game they needed. Now, before we get to the specifics

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Speaker 1: about the Ryan Shazier injury. Greg will start with you

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Speaker 1: This was in the first five minutes of the game,

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Speaker 1: This was just an unfortunate accident that you said it well,

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Speaker 1: Dan kind of cast a Paul over the game. It

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Speaker 1: And as we speak now, we don't really know what

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Speaker 1: the first concern. But Greg, I couldn't agree more with

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Speaker 1: there was another concussion involved. You had Antonio Brown clearly

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Speaker 1: And what happened last night. I mean, oh, it's supersedes

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Speaker 1: the GM. And I'm sure there was some sit downs

431
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Speaker 1: between ownership and Eli apologizing, but it's like I wrote

432
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Speaker 1: about this yesterday. It's kind of like your buddy who

433
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: cheats on his girlfriend gets caught and then try to

434
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 1: try to make up for it. He like proposes to her,

435
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, maybe that works, but there's some

436
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: scars that are gonna be left behind and it's not

437
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,239
Speaker 1: that easy. You can't just clean this up and put

438
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: a band aid, right. And my one thing was not

439
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: giving Mara free pass for this episode, but I think

440
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Speaker 1: that the Giants ownership in general has to be viewed

441
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Speaker 1: as top five in the NFL over the course of

442
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Speaker 1: the last three decades. They are steady organization. It's an

443
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Speaker 1: attractive landing spot, that's all I'm saying. I think they

444
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: had to do it at this point though, because obviously

445
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: this is an organization that doesn't fire coaches mid season,

446
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: and they had no choice because of everything that was

447
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Speaker 1: going on. And even Mara said it, He's like, I

448
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: know our fans are suffering, but I'm suffering more right now.

449
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was an interesting moment because

450
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Speaker 1: you don't hear a lot of owners come out and

451
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: straight say that. You can see on his face how

452
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: passionate he is about the team and how awful this

453
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: whole scenario has spiraled out of control so quickly this

454
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Speaker 1: entire week. They just had to do it. It's a

455
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: nice roster and and Jerry Reese is the surprise part

456
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: of it because I know they've only made the playoffs

457
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: once in the last six years. He has a complicated legacy,

458
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: but his draft class won them a super Bowl in

459
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, and he really built up that two

460
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: thousand eleven teams. So he's an all time giant for

461
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: for what he did, and they kept him around for

462
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: a long time. I'm sure that that firing was a

463
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: lot tougher for and for it to happen in season,

464
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, just shock waves through that organization. Um, alright,

465
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on with the Giants and let's

466
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Speaker 1: move on. So, yes, suspensions for Juju Smith shoes there

467
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Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, we're going to talk. You know,

468
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Speaker 1: Ben McDow no longer no hot but it's just his

469
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Speaker 1: butts on the street. That's the way this this game

470
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Speaker 1: works cold. But we're gonna get into some more hot

471
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: butt talk a little bit later in a few minutes.

472
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Speaker 1: But now some more suspension talk. Rob Gronkowski has has

473
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: been suspended one game for his cheap shot. Uh. In

474
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Speaker 1: Sunday's game and uh, he was frustrated that Bill's cornerback

475
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Tevious White was being over physically overly physical with him

476
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Speaker 1: on an interception and he threw his like forearm into

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Speaker 1: the back of Davious White's head. White suffered a concussion,

478
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Speaker 1: and there was immediate speculation that Gronk could be banned

479
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Speaker 1: for a game, Colleen, And that's exactly what the NFL did.

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Speaker 1: He suspended one game, um, which I'm sure they will

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Speaker 1: survive against the Dolphins and he'll be back in the

482
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Speaker 1: lineup against the Steelers. If you really wanted to send

483
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Speaker 1: a message, by the way, you would have suspended him

484
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: two games and taken him out of that. Yeah, but

485
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: instead they went with one game. And your thoughts, what

486
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: do you think it was too light? Well? No, I

487
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: mean I was looking at the schedule and I was

488
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: thinking if the schedule, if this happened at a certain

489
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Speaker 1: time and he was out for the game against the Steelers,

490
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: that would have been maybe catastrophic for the Patriots, just

491
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Speaker 1: because of the ripple effect there, because the Patriots really

492
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Speaker 1: need to win that game. They need Gronk there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: one game he should get one game at the very

494
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Speaker 1: least for that. It was like a total cheap shot,

495
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: and he waited and he thought about it, and then

496
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: he did it. To his credit, and we'll listen to

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Speaker 1: it right now. Here's Gronk. He did own up for

498
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: it immediately after. Let's hear what Gronk had to say.

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Speaker 1: I definitely want apologizing Umber twenty seven. I mean, I'm

500
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: not in the business of that. I mean, there was

501
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: a lot of frustration and uh, I was just really

502
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: frustrated at that moment. It just just happened naturally through

503
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: emotions and frustration, and uh, I just want to apologize

504
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: to Davious White. Um, I know I don't don't don't

505
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: really believe any type of shots like that, but just

506
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Speaker 1: do the frustration process, game of football emotions. Uh. And

507
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys caught caught it. A

508
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: local affiliate covering that Bill's Pats game got Sean McDermott

509
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Speaker 1: and Belichick at midfield after the game. McDermott made a

510
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Speaker 1: point to bring up that Gronkowski was out of line,

511
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: and Greg Belichick said, that's bull Blake. Uh. And he apologized.

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Speaker 1: And that makes sense because there was no arguing and

513
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: around this, I'm a little surprised. I shouldn't be that

514
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Speaker 1: Gronk is appealing it or his agents appealing the suspension.

515
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: So that does bring a question into when he will

516
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Speaker 1: service it also could Um, you know it's gonna be

517
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: a very costly we not only does he miss the game,

518
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: but he he could end up losing a couple million

519
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: dollars in incentives that he has through an action of

520
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: his own right related to playing time. So he he's

521
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it. And it's good that the NFL

522
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: is acting quicker on these things usually like nothing would happen,

523
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: or his fines or like we find out in two

524
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Speaker 1: or three weeks, like this Bengal Steeler stuff. It's buttoned

525
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: up here the next morning. I think that's that's exactly

526
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: right with the NFL acting quickly. I people killing Gronk

527
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: for appealing it. Um, I don't think he should. But

528
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Speaker 1: you think that the Patriots want him to appeal it.

529
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Speaker 1: I think they do. I don't think he's gonna get appealed,

530
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Speaker 1: that's all. But I don't think appealing I do he's

531
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't with the decision hasn't come down right, right, right,

532
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Speaker 1: I would I would think they would just say, serve

533
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: it right now? Yeah, against the dolphins. Um, all right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some hot butts but but

559
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: but but but but but but but but but some

560
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: butts are not hot, and some butts are marks but

561
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: is not hot? But Greg's might I think it is?

562
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: It's very uncomfortable it should be. It's a hot but alright.

563
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: So like I said, it's like those warms, you know,

564
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: car car seat warmers. Yeah, that's very My wife always

565
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: makes fun of me because she calls me a werewolf.

566
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: I just run hot in general, um, not surprising, um,

567
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: but what happens a lot. I'll accidentally hit the switch

568
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: on the butt warmer in the car and I won't

569
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: even notice it. It was just my wife will look

570
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: down and be like, you know, that's been like warming

571
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: your ask for like an hour and a half. What

572
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: are werewolves attracted to hot temperatures? Um? I don't kind

573
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: of get Also, you called a butt warmer, the seat

574
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: warmers whatever like that butt talk back to us werewolves

575
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: that Wait, you didn't know werewolves are warm blooded? Right?

576
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm mean that's fine. But for the pillow Talk podcast,

577
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: all right, well that's your invitation. I didn't create whoa what?

578
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: So let's talk about more, but talk about some hot butts.

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00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: My wife calls me wolf man? Is that what? It's

580
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: a little awkward? Is that what you're I'm just saying

581
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: were wolves are not not known to be attracted to

582
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: especially hot temperatures. First, any other tell were wolf itself

583
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: is hot blooded creature, as are we? Do you call

584
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: yourself the werewolf? No? I mean I am gonna at

585
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: this point, I am going to take a wiki. Okay,

586
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: I am gonna take it up with my wife. I'm

587
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: going to text her after the show and get to

588
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: the better up. Anyway, so all these coaches that we're

589
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: going to talk about might be feeling a little were

590
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: wolfy because, um, as we head towards the home stroke,

591
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: everyone knows, Greg, everybody knows that the first Monday after

592
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: the regular season ends is referred to as what black Monday.

593
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, I was thinking a background.

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Uh that would have been a really nice all back,

595
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: as they say in the in and you know your

596
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: boy Tony Jelnick would have been upset that you didn't

597
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: hit that one. I think he'll be fine with me. Well,

598
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: he listens to every show, soill send you some else?

599
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Does Does Tony send you like an email like every

600
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: show with like some tags and things. I think it's

601
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: safe to say he's never listening, say, probably a zero

602
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: listener on any level. Any update on it. We're working

603
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: at this guy get something cooking, making moves. It looks

604
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: like it. I support it, by the way, I want

605
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: it back. It's good, it's going to be. Yeah, you were,

606
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: you were how you supported a massive supporter? Okay, did

607
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: not like it initially, but now I support it. My

608
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: own podcast they had with with my friend yeah V

609
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: yes that I now I would support it all right

610
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Back then, No, I didn't, but I was very open

611
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: about it. You were, That's true. Privately we talked about

612
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: it as well. Had one great episode where they played

613
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: the same song over and over. Was one of the

614
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: greatest things I've ever Frank of the Year. Um okay, anyway,

615
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: so let's get into it. Go down the list. We

616
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: have a big list of coaches. Let's start with a

617
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: category we call no brainers, and I guess that means

618
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Colleen that there's no chance that these two men survive

619
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: beyond Black Monday. And on this list list we have

620
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: John Fox of Chicago and Chuck Pagano of Indianapolis. Mark,

621
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: is there any realm where either of these guys make

622
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: it past that Monday? I think it's disappointing if that were.

623
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: If they're no, I'd say no. My one question with

624
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: with the Bears, especially Hey, in Indianapolis, you have a

625
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: GM that's gonna want to have the chance to pick

626
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: his own coach with the Bears. Does Ryan Pace stick

627
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: around after John Fox off? John Fox goes. I think

628
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that'd be a big question. I don't. I'm not sure

629
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: that Ryan Pace is uh the most impressive general manager

630
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: I've ever witnessed over the course of his run thus far.

631
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: And I think like one of the one of the

632
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: things that caught my attention at the before the season

633
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: even started was the drafting of Mitch Drobiski and how

634
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: it kind of took everybody by surprise, including what looks

635
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: like the coaching staff. It seemed like the front office

636
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: came in kind of did their thing, got him like,

637
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: so you would think that they would have a little

638
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: long to hire another coach, but we'll see. Yeah, and

639
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: this is it's a tough time a season, you know,

640
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: when Bears are losing the forty niners, the Colts are

641
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, going through the motions. Chuck

642
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Bogano has now got bits. He actually brought in copies

643
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: of Groundhog Days to give to the reporters who had

644
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: never listened to it. So and then he he then

645
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: made a ref up that makes me like him a

646
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: lot more. Yeah, and so there's a good picture of

647
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: the three of them all holding up their gownd Is

648
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Stevie ds. Still it was anniversary edition or something really strange.

649
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: It was like the fifteenth anniversary. What that's a that's

650
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: a thing you make a DV more. But he also

651
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: did another bit where he used a quote from the

652
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: league of their own that there's no crying in in

653
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: baseball and football and use that. So now he he's

654
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of he's liking the attention. Where are you now?

655
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Mark with this added evidence. Is it more towards you

656
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: worried about his mental mental health or you think he's

657
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: more he's just embracing the end of the road here.

658
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: I still have questions. I mean, I think that you're

659
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: probably not in a good These are the kind of

660
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: guys like he already has a beard, but like you

661
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: disappear for like five months and you get your health back,

662
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: Like he does not sound extremely healthy. What are you

663
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: talking about with his beard? No, I'm saying, like he's

664
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: he's it's a cote thing. But like I could see

665
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: him vanishing and like getting like a giant beard and

666
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: like getting all his has done that a multiple We

667
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: remember one of those periods. At least any time he

668
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: stops with a job, whether he like leaves or whatever,

669
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: his beard and his hair he just doesn't cut and

670
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: they all grow into one giant. It's a great move

671
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: as a man if you have that freedom at intervals,

672
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: that post Philly move pre Ringer, pre Stringing era for

673
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Gonzo was a little Pagano on the I mean, yes, Gonzo,

674
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: I will. I went over to visit him one time,

675
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: and he's Gonzo was walking around at eleven thirty a

676
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: m after taking a nap, a long nap, after having

677
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: woken up at nine, and he's having he he knows

678
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: each time a day when he's having this little cup

679
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: of coffee and it was a beautiful period of life

680
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: that I was very envious of it, not even exaggerating.

681
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring this cults thing background. The theory that

682
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: you had that you set off the show that maybe

683
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: John Gruden, you know, you're a little concerned about him,

684
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he's thinking about future, like it's almost like he's

685
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: concerned about him. But yeah, I don't think could you

686
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: imagine him as I think one job he would come

687
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: back for even with the risk of Andrew lux injury,

688
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: and he's I think he's almost talked about it openly

689
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: is coming back. I can just I can just imagine

690
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: John Gruden Jim Mercy being a crazy situation. Can totally

691
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: see that. I just want and what I mean by

692
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the Gruden and it just and maybe it is that

693
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: kind of Tony romo And we talked about it in

694
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: the pre production meeting that there's kind of been like

695
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: a if you remember Show Girls, is there a fifteenth

696
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: anniversary DVD for show Christian? Do you own that doesn't

697
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: remember show Girls. I gotta start, I gotta start prepping

698
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: for my my wife and IF anniversary because that's the

699
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: big that's big DVD. But Jesse Spano and show Girls, Um,

700
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: she's on the rise in the industry. And then Gina

701
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: Garshawn's character was kind of like the living legend. And

702
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: then eventually Greshawn gets pushed down the steps and her

703
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: career has ended. As Jesse, you know, surges um a

704
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: pivotal scene in a beautiful film. Yeah, an important film,

705
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: poetic in the late twentie century. That is kind of

706
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: what's happened in her way with Tony Romo. Uh, he's

707
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Jesse and I think your name was what? No? Me?

708
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Was it? Wow? Christian do you remember this? Of course

709
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He was on the set. Christian watched like

710
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: because the script supervisor. Yeah, I was at the theater

711
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: opening weekend, Thank you very much, in the theater anyway. Um,

712
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: so know me. Uh, she surges to the top. That's

713
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Tony Romo and Ruden for whatever reason, and I tie

714
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: you some of it. We've talked about this to Tarko

715
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: Louve in the booth. I feel like Gruden lost his

716
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: juice a little bit in the last year or two,

717
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: and now it just seems like he's a little distracted

718
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: or not quite is invested, just just a bit of

719
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: a sessler. Is that fair to say? Well, there's gonna

720
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: be a lot of coaching jobs open, with some with

721
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: pretty good situations, including the Giants, which I think I

722
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of Always been this way though, Do

723
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: we overrate or do we look we look at like

724
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: cower for years in this rumor mill thing, rude into

725
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: like you've been out of the game for ten years,

726
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: or is that the coach you really want? He's still

727
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: young enough though, it's thinking more of a coward type thing.

728
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: By the way, I met Elizabeth Berkeley at a a

729
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: play area in a mall when Luke and Colton were there,

730
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and it was quite a we were quite shocked to

731
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: be discussing childcare with Elizabeth Berkeley. How did she come off?

732
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: Like everything? She couldn't have been nicer? Absolutely in a

733
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: really nice person. Yes, very good. So there are some

734
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: good news post show Girls. Alright, so no brainers. Have

735
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: you wait, have you seen Show Girls? I've seen it, Yeah,

736
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: I've seen it. You know, don't cast the spur I'm

737
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying, come on, Colleen, I've seen it

738
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: opening weekend. Though for Christian, how about that waiting online

739
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: for show Girls? That thing that happened at the show

740
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: was after the big Gershon kiss with Elizabeth Berkeley. So

741
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I just screamed out, I finally got my seven dollars

742
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: worth some guy, okay, some alright, So Fox and Bagana

743
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: we both agree, will be out. H McAdoo of course

744
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: already out. So we're gonna be up to three at least.

745
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Let's move on to very hot, very hot butts. So

746
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: not no brainers, but very hot and uh on the

747
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: list here and Greg will start with you on this one.

748
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Dark Cutter of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's been a

749
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: really disappointing season. They are on the shortlist of the

750
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: most disappointing teams in the NFL. Do you think it

751
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: cost Cutter his gig? More likely than not, because of

752
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: the history in Tampa. They go through court coaches faster

753
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: than just about anyone. You don't really hear from the Glazers.

754
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, they they've got their Premier league teams they're

755
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: worried about, but they just throp they drop in and

756
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: they get rid of guys. Do you guys know who

757
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: the coach who has the longest tenure in Tampa since

758
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: John Gruden. John Gruden, by the way, who was nine

759
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: and three the season that he got fired, lost four

760
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: stree games and then was out, which is a reminder

761
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: that what happens the next four games can have a

762
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: big impact on this discussion. It was Raheem Morris half

763
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: years or got maybe got three? That was the longest.

764
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: That was the longest one. How can I forget younger? Yeah,

765
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: that's the longest one. So they get rid of guys quickly.

766
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: And this has been this has been bad, all right?

767
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: How about um? Yeah, we were just talking about it earlier. Well,

768
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis is an I think so. I mean, I

769
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: think he's gonna either that or he's been surviving. I know. Well,

770
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: this is the end of his contract is coming up.

771
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: His contracts up at the end of the season. He

772
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: might he might be quiet, Greg, let me just get

773
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: this out. He might he might retire. That's also a possibility.

774
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: He might just hang up the old headset. He's accomplished everything. Yeah,

775
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: so why not. But maybe to avoid being like quote

776
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: unquote fired, maybe he retired. It doesn't He usually get

777
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: that one year contract extension by now that kind of

778
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: keeps him around for one more season. He could go

779
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: to the front office. But last night, that's why there

780
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: was so much going on. In the Cincinnati Enquirer wrote

781
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: the column, I think that makes a lot of senses.

782
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Was that the end of an era? And I it

783
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: did kind of feel like having that gripped happened again,

784
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: felt like maybe that was the game that ends it.

785
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: And now I'll channel Chris westling Um because I feel

786
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: like west might have this take, and I hope I'm

787
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: not wrong, whereas if you were listening, But like, why

788
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: would anything change now? I know this. Yesterday I felt different,

789
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: but it's mostly probably because it happened twelve hours ago.

790
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: This stuff has been going on at Cincinnati UH for

791
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: over a decade um, and they don't like change. They

792
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: fear change. So although I agree and makes sense, I

793
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: certainly if I had if I were a man that, like,

794
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, walk through the desert toward the light, if

795
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I had to go one way or the other, I'm

796
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: saying he's coming back. I'm with you, because I don't

797
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: know if I put his butt. It's very hot, because

798
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever the case with Marvin Lewis,

799
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: So I think it's point on the contract is pretty

800
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: telling though that he hasn't added it is. But I

801
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: think you I think your point that it would be

802
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: his decision maybe and they find someone to take his place,

803
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: either from within or maybe from somewhere else in Ohio.

804
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: But like we would never know anyway. I mean, they

805
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: could just fire him and it would be framed as

806
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: a retirement. Alright, what about Mark your boy Hugh Jackson,

807
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: who has a grand total of one win in two

808
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: seasons so far. Are they going to stay the course?

809
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: Should they stay the course? Well, people might disagree with

810
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: what I'd say here, but I think they would struggle.

811
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: They would really struggle to get a coach in here

812
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: that someone was There's whispers about Jeff Fisher wanting a job,

813
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: like who's gonna want I mean, it's out there, like

814
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: the idea that like Cleveland's gonna get one of the

815
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: premier coaches. Um. I I would stay the course personally

816
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: because they've they've they've had four straight regimes, flush everyone

817
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: out after two seasons. I think they're gonna go absolutely

818
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: get a quarterback with the number one to or pick

819
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: this this offseason. And I would say, unless you feel

820
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: like you can get a coach that can change this

821
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: organization and be, as Gregg says, one of the two

822
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: or three guys that really, uh you know, is a

823
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: factor in games, I just don't see that happening. Um

824
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: on popular but I would stay the course. But I

825
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: don't think that's essially what they're gonna do. It's tricky.

826
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: You're we're assuming that Sacy Brown will be allowed to

827
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: still make the decisions. That's part of the equation. Who's

828
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, deciding this? Like Hugh Jackson I think does

829
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: a really good job considering all the um losing of

830
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: having a good public face and having the right attitude

831
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: and like dealing with it because he's had a worse

832
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: record than any coach in NFL history so far with Cleveland,

833
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: and he's underachieved. It isn't pointed out quite enough that

834
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson has done a bad job in terms of

835
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: winning games. They are better than one in what is

836
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: it now? They should be They should be it's more

837
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: in four to four in fright, say've underachieved. So it's

838
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: a decision because I think you're right. I think you're right.

839
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: It makes sense to stay the course, but it makes

840
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: it it would make it almost impossible if they don't

841
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: win a game. It would be pretty balls if they

842
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: are worst case scenario, don't win this year, bring back

843
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: a guy that's one in thirty one of all that,

844
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and then the other conversation, and then it is Hugh

845
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Jackson was involved with these quarterback decisions and made the

846
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: last two years. They cannot get this wrong. If they

847
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: go three years and win what four games and three

848
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: years or three games and three years, and then mess

849
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: up the next draft and don't have a quarterback, it

850
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: will be one of the most titanic mess ups in

851
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. So you have drafting a quarterback,

852
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: you have to be confident that you're gonna get a

853
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: guy out of this process, and you have the right

854
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: people in the building, and that includes Hugh Jackson is

855
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: in the center of it making the right decisions. So

856
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's a big decisions hot. It's very hot,

857
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: very hot, because if he goes on four, I just

858
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: can't and hand him. Is that head coach there? It's

859
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it's it's awful to go through it, I'm sure, but

860
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: like one lesson with that, he has put on a

861
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: good public face in terms of not I don't think

862
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the team has given up on him, and I think

863
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: he is engaging with players. But there are issues between

864
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: the front office and the coaching staff, and there are

865
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: some public issues and some stuff that's happened that is crazy.

866
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: So that's the concern. Can they get along? Can they

867
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: survive this? All? Right, let's go possible surprises. I would

868
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: have bumped this up to very hot, but I'll throw

869
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: advance Joseph out there in the Denver broncos um. He

870
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: is not a popular guy. Uh in Denver. I was

871
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: doing some uh news searches after Sunday's game and there

872
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: was a call to get this guy out of the

873
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: building in a macadoo sense. Um. So there is not

874
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: a lot of belief around them. What fans, fans column

875
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: this all that stuff. Now, that doesn't mean that that's

876
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: that should be the reason for firing. But the team

877
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: is really underperformed. But then on the other side, Greg,

878
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: what what can advanced Joseph do when they have such

879
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: a giant hole at the games of support and physician? Right,

880
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: and it's always guy That's why I would not put

881
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: him in very hot because at that point, Alway it

882
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: sounds like had a big part in firing Mike McCoy

883
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, which by the way, has not worked

884
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: out at all. They've gotten worse with out him, and

885
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: so that should be pointed out. I just can't believe

886
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Elway would start over and blow it up again one year.

887
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: It was unfortunate what happened with Gary Kubiak. That was

888
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: no one's fault, but it just feels like that would

889
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: be pointing the finger at himself. I think he would

890
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: give him a second and I think he got to

891
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: give him a little bit more time. It's pretty rare

892
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: that guys only have one and done. Shad Zinski was

893
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: one recently, but it doesn't happen too often. Danny Boy,

894
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't happen too often, but they've had

895
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: the dever Broncos were supposed to be an a f

896
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: C contender and they might end up going like three

897
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: and thirteen or four and twelve, like that's the type stuff.

898
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I can get a guy one and done canned all right?

899
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: How about Connie Fox Jim Caldwell, who's had a um

900
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: interesting little career. I think a lot of people are

901
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: surprised he got the job based on how poorly things

902
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: ended Indianapolis, and then he had an eleven and five

903
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: season his first year, made the playoffs, last year one

904
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: and done, no playoff wins, and right now they are

905
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: at six and six. But are they even necessarily underperforming?

906
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think he always kind of flies

907
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: under the radar because the Lions always sort of are

908
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: like middling like this, and especially this year, where at

909
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 1: certain points I'm would be like really high on the Lions,

910
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, they're coming around, They're coming back,

911
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: and then like the very next week, the next game

912
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: would just be another letdown. Like if I was looking

913
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: for a surprise candidate, it wouldn't be Jim calledwell, you

914
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: know it would be it would be maybe Andy Reid,

915
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: whoa hey, got a left field. We didn't talk about this,

916
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: let's hear it. But after after the start that they

917
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: had to this season and now that they are just

918
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: crumbling apart and everybody is just crushing the play calling

919
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that I don't know if he's just

920
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: trying to simplify things so Alex Smith can kind of

921
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: get back on track, and then maybe defenses will stop

922
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: stacking the box because they can't do anything again, like

923
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: they can't run the ball whatsoever. Anything like maybe the

924
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: fact that the play calling is what it is it

925
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: now is because he's just trying to dumb it down

926
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: as much as possible. But he's getting a ton of

927
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: heat for not adjusting or anything in these games. There's

928
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: some similarities there, and I think Calldwell is a long shot,

929
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a long shot because he

930
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: got an extension we found out during this season. And

931
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: that's why I think Andy Reid is even a bigger

932
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: long shot because when they fired John Dorsey, they gave

933
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: Andy Read an extension. And the GM that they brought

934
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: in has a close relationship with Andy Reid, and he

935
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: he's a unique guy in terms of he kind of

936
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: is the Chiefs and so I would be more surprised

937
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: that he got fired than Caldwell, who has a GM

938
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: who really didn't have a history with him, who came

939
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: from the Patriots organization. And that's why I kind of

940
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: put him on this list as a possible surprise, just

941
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I don't know if Bob Quinn

942
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: usually a new GM wants his own guy, whereas like

943
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is the guy. So that would take the

944
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: Hunt family to really kind of decide that we gotta

945
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: totally blow it up. And by the way, I should say, like,

946
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I know that Andy Reid did give the play calling

947
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: to Matt Nage this past weekend, but there's a ton

948
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: of heat on him. Yeah, yeah, I think, and it's

949
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: deserved this year. I mean, I think Martha Ford, the

950
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: Lion's owner, likes called well a lot and got an extension.

951
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I think if Reid or fired, he'd

952
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: have another job in five hours. I just I don't know.

953
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: So you get better than I think it would would

954
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: have would be a huge mistake to let Andy Reid

955
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: go and Todd Bowles, who's on this list. I think

956
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles is very close to out of the woods

957
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: at this point. Oh, I would not fire Todd Bowles.

958
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: I I only put that if they had like a

959
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: long shot, like if he had an O N four

960
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: stretch and it was partly at the Woody Johnson factor

961
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of just woud he may be surprising you? That's yeah, No,

962
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I also wouldn't rule it out

963
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: though I think they're five and seven. They've they've overperformed,

964
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: I think obviously. But if they create her here and

965
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: they finished five and eleven, I'm with you, I mean

966
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: I would. It's gotten to the point now where they

967
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: would really have the creator. And again they've showed no

968
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: signs of you don't fire Todd Bowles. People thought they're

969
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna credit that said if Andy Reid came available and

970
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: it's not to be one of those two. It's raised

971
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: on the phone like the new version of Bill Parcels,

972
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: like the night before Weeks seven Steen or something. But

973
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: those two used to work together to just saying me

974
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: and Keith used to me and Keith, I have conversations.

975
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: Neither of us are huge bowls fans. We kind of

976
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: like guys that are a little more animated and plugged in.

977
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: Not so much the in baseball, the Joe Tory model

978
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: where you're just stoic and staring straight ahead. But there's

979
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: no doubt that he communicates and gets through the players.

980
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: I mean, because the way they played this year. Um,

981
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: real quick, you have to go, I have to go.

982
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: We got to talk about meeting very suspect I will

983
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: make it through a show one point this year, um

984
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Jack del Rio, mark uh real quick on del Rio

985
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: and then one more name, yes or no? Is he

986
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: going uh No? I think though there's been some there's

987
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: been a little heat around this, but they've been so disappointing.

988
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: I think about the next four weeks. The next four

989
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: weeks have a lot to do with Chuck del Rio.

990
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Right now, I'd say, no, he's a long He's a

991
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: long shot. His coaching staff certainly is not work. You know,

992
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: he had to change his defensive coordina, his change to offensive.

993
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, he swept offensive coordinators in the offseason. That

994
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out very well. So there's a little bit

995
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: he if it really went out, otherwise he should bruce arians.

996
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: That's more. I put that in there for retirement reasons.

997
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: People have forgotten sort of the retirement buzz around him

998
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: because he pushed back publicly. But I think you kind

999
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: of have to push back publicly on that. And I

1000
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: just think with his health problems and we'll see what

1001
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: happens with Carson Palmer, that it's it's at least possible

1002
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: that he decides to walk away, that's all. I don't

1003
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: think he he would ever be fired by the Cardinals.

1004
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, hot butt talk. Um. Now

1005
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: let's hop on those shoulders of greatness for the Thursday

1006
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: night football. Oh the shoulders. Put it on your shoulders,

1007
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: studding on the shoulders of giants. These New Orleans Saints

1008
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons. What a big game this is, Um,

1009
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: The Saints, can you know, come close to wrapping up

1010
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: the d f C South with a W? And the Falcons.

1011
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly um, things have changed. Greg the

1012
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Falcons on Sunday morning, We're playing well, thriving in the

1013
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: playoff position, and then they get beat And it wasn't

1014
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, some type of disgrace to get beat um

1015
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: against the Vikings. Viking US no disgrace there. But then

1016
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: the Seahawks go and beat the Eagles, and all of

1017
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Falcons are on the outside looking in

1018
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: with a game against the Saints, who are one of

1019
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: the best teams in football this year. And it's one

1020
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: of the best rivalries in the NFL. The fan bases

1021
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: hate each other. The teams always seem to come up

1022
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: each other against each other at key points in the

1023
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: season when they can knock one of the other out.

1024
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: And this game is massive because if the Falcons win,

1025
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: they can start thinking not just about the wild card,

1026
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: but that they're in the mix for the division. As

1027
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: good as New Orleans has played this year, as well

1028
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: as they've played, they have to play Atlanta again in

1029
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: two weeks, and Atlanta has to think, hey, if we

1030
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: sweep them, we can catch up to them. And that's

1031
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: why it's such a massive game. The Saints are a

1032
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: much more complete team and in their big games. I

1033
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: think we saw, for instance, you know, last week at home,

1034
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: they came out and they play their best, whereas Atlanta

1035
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: scores nine point. They're an offensive team scoring nine points

1036
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: at home, and whow it would be sweet. I think

1037
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: for Sean Payton after the last few years, to go

1038
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: in there and drop a bomb on this defense that

1039
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I just don't have much Oh would say, it's nine

1040
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: points against and I get the Jaguars, a super Bowl

1041
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: level Vikings defense that has done that in Minnesota on

1042
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: the road in London to everyone exactly. But that's that's

1043
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: kind of what I mean. Like there, that shows it's

1044
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: not their year in some ways when they go up

1045
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: against the best they scored nine. I agree with you.

1046
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: I feel like they this is this the inside the building.

1047
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: They have to know this is your final. You lose

1048
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: this thing and you have Carolina go to Minnesota two,

1049
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: but the things start to get far away from you.

1050
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: If you're the Falcons and you can put don't pull

1051
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: this off. They're gonna put their best effort forward this time.

1052
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get the best version of the Falcons.

1053
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: And I've disagreed in this room with the notion that

1054
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and the Falcons have been, you know, the

1055
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: same out offense. Ryan specifically, I think there is something

1056
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: lacking with Ryan, even though they you know, they played

1057
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: really well before the Vikings game. For a few weeks there,

1058
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: they haven't been the same team. They haven't been able

1059
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: to lift in big moments. Here is the test. If

1060
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: you really think Matt Ryan is the same at Ryan's

1061
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: last year, if the Falcons are a team to be

1062
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Speaker 1: reckoned with and and are gonna be playing meaningful January football,

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: win this game when when the game at home against

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00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the Saints to uh stay in the playoff picture, because

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: if you lose, you kind of were the team that

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00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: everyone kind of thought they were all season where they

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00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: would just never were able to put it together win

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00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: the game. I'm more concerned about Atlanta's defense stopping what

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00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: is this incredibly dynamic backfield and by the way, passing

1070
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: game that can do it to you too, right They

1071
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: the defense had a better game last week against Minnesota,

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00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: but Camara and Ingram are on pace to be the

1073
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: first guys to ever go over yards. Kamara is at

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00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: a level right now where he's averaging more yards per

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00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: touch with anyone UH than anyone in NFL history who

1076
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: has had as many touches as he has a hundred

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00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: forty five yards, and he just has such great speed.

1078
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: And going up against another speedy defense with Dion Jones

1079
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: and and the Atlanta Falcons, it is such a great matchup.

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00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching the Saints defense because they should

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00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: get Marshawn Lattimore back, or at least they sound somewhat

1082
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: hopeful of it, and him matched up against Julio Jones

1083
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: is about as good as it gets. And Cameron Jordan's

1084
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: who's just been a monster this season I think can

1085
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: be in the mix of defensive Player of the Year,

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: especially with a big National UH game. The Saints really

1087
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: haven't been in a lot of big time You know

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00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: national audience games. If if he comes out and has

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: a big time game, like I think he is absolutely

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Speaker 1: in that mix. All right, So there you go. That's

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Speaker 1: Thursday in Football, UM preview the shoulders of greatness. UM.

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Speaker 1: One little note circling back to some butt talk. I

1093
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: listened to the Summertime Hot Butt Preview and Mark you

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00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: had tagged, Yeah, I'm a pro bro bro, Bro got

1095
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: time in your hands. Now you just work it into

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: the sched, you build it into your morning sked. That's

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: what I did. Well, unveil your findings. Mark Sessler, Jim

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00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: Caldwell and John Fox you nominated. I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: think that I that both could happen. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that was a shocking. I didn't go out on a

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00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: massive limb there with either name no, and we at

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00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: the time we comment didn't listen. You got on base there,

1103
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: you got the segment going. It was they were safe picks,

1104
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: but good ones. Because where is this going? Someone else

1105
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: has had a much more daring idea, Chris Westling. He

1106
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: went with a player and a coordinator. Blake Bortles remains

1107
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: on the hot seat and Steve Sarkasian, who Thursday Night

1108
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: could be a big referendum on old Stevie. One of

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00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: those feels pretty secure. Um I went with Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: in and I think Bill is probably safe, totally safe

1111
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: unless ownership. It's weird because of the record is bad,

1112
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: but his performance they've played pretty well considering he was

1113
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year candidate when Deshaun Watson was. He

1114
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: had that gone on for nine more weeks, he'd be

1115
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl bound potentially, And this is one of those

1116
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look like a dummy right now, but at

1117
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: the time there was somebody to its Sean Payton during

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00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: the season. Now he's probably gonna be there until the

1119
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: end of time. At the time there was Zeky. There's

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Speaker 1: so many good Coach of the Year candidates that Sean

1121
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Payton doesn't even get mentioned. But they've had about as

1122
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: good to turn around anyway. He maybe you know, there's

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Speaker 1: three shawns that could get to could get the awards.

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: There is there is a um, are you still got

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermot And I think Vic Derbot I'm putting I'm

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: putting Peyton securely in second place there in the Sean Derby,

1127
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: with McDermott a solid third, but It does show you

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Speaker 1: how much, first of all, that no one really thought

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: the same season was gonna play out like this, and

1130
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: also that they were three and seven and nine three

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00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: straight years and just kind of going nowhere fast, that

1132
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I did have them as my division champion. Look at you,

1133
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: if only I put sandwiches. Haven't you done that? Haven't

1134
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: you done that with the Saints multiple times? Every years?

1135
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: In the Saints the Eagles every year. I mixed it

1136
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: up in the South. And finally, Greg, you had Jake

1137
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: Ruden and Chaz Bagano. Well, I took one safe one there,

1138
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: and Jake Gruden, you know what he could. I don't

1139
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: think he would have been crazy to put on that

1140
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: long shot list. I think he's a really good coach

1141
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: and he's done a good job. It's just that organization

1142
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: throws surprises at you sometimes, so he wouldn't be the

1143
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: craziest stunner at the end of the year. He did

1144
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: get an extension. That's why I didn't write him down.

1145
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: Was I forgot he got in the year before we

1146
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: got an extension last off season. Jeff Fisher got an

1147
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: extension once upon the time. That didn't help out. It

1148
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: was actually announce someone pointed out a year ago this month,

1149
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: it leaked out because they had a big win, didn't

1150
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: they have, Like some sort of leaked out that Fisher

1151
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: had gotten an extension, and Fisher said, I don't know

1152
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: how that leaked out. Yeah, it's sometimes in quiet, quieter moments,

1153
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: I still think about Jeff Fisher holding the dog, the

1154
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: woman that he picked up of the supermarket to be

1155
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: his friend, waving at the buses as the as his

1156
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: former Rams team the day after he's fired was shipped

1157
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: off to slaughter against the Seahawks. It was the great

1158
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: horror movie moment of the year. How about how quickly

1159
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: the NFL changes The Rams were laughing stock, uh, not

1160
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: even competitive at that point, and now they're heading towards

1161
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: twelve and four. That's football. Last last note before we go,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, a little a t n CAT update our

1163
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: go fund me to raise money for local animal shelters

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Speaker 1: here in Culver City. We've wrapped up the donation process.

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00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: Where did we finish up there, Lindsay fault on three

1166
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Speaker 1: seventy whoa. That is one thing, by the way, we

1167
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: did not intentionally, we did not plaster social media with

1168
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: this in a desperate attempt to get everyone possible to contribute.

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: We had had one tweet during Thursday night football last

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Speaker 1: week where we were at about five hundred dollars. The

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Speaker 1: next morning we had crossed. By the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: we had crossed a thousand dollars, and by the next

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: morning we were well beyond it. So we do have

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Speaker 1: the greatest listeners. This is not the first Go fund

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Speaker 1: me venture that they've been involved in a healthful way,

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Speaker 1: So thank you. It's really um. I am continually amazed

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Speaker 1: by how much um loyalty the listeners have for the

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Speaker 1: show and and and when it comes to a good cause,

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Speaker 1: in this case, that causes Karma Rescue, which is a

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Speaker 1: nonprofit dedicated to saving animals in need by finding them

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Speaker 1: permanent homes and providing the resources for successful companionship. Uh

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Speaker 1: Karma Rescue dot org. If you want to learn more,

1183
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: Mark update on your cat situation. You are definitely allergic

1184
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: and yet you are becoming a there's a cat lady,

1185
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: you're a cat boy. Uh yeah, not uh. I would

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01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: say I'm not involved in the process at this point.

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Speaker 1: The my wife and our wonderful neighbor of on a

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Speaker 1: lot of work. There are at this point cat by

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Speaker 1: four cats roaming around our yard and we're going to

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Speaker 1: there's a process here to get them to a shelter

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: at some point. But it, uh, yeah, there's cat food

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Speaker 1: in our yard, which I can't stell the smell of

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Speaker 1: cat food or the or the sight of it. About

1194
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: the poop is there like everywhere. I have not investigated that.

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Speaker 1: They are very cute, though I don't have sandboxes, do

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: you we do? Yeah, that I keep those clothes. We

1197
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: got issues. Little does Dan know that Catboy is actually

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Speaker 1: a popular figure in one of my daughter's favorite shows,

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Speaker 1: p J Masks Jack's Way into PJ Matt. Yeah, is

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Speaker 1: it like a boy who is a cat? He is,

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01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: He's like a young child, and him and his two

1202
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: chums um at night after it's bedtime. They put on costumes.

1203
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: It's Catboy, it's Geck and another outlet and they clean

1204
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: up the streets. A boy is named Owilette. That feels

1205
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: like that could be There could be girls that are superheroes. Mark,

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: I thought you said it was a boy named o Willlett.

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: Don't continue your you know it's the eighth time in

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: the show where Dan's trying to put me into an

1209
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: uncomfortable corner that would get me in trouble with the employee.

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Speaker 1: Good PJ MA talk, Good p J MAST talk. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's it for today's show. Thank you to everyone for listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday recapping that TNF game and

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: then uh break down all the week four teen games.

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Speaker 1: This is Dan hands Is signing off for Quiet Storm.

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Speaker 1: Contie Fox, the Old Boss, Christian Anderson, and Lindsay Fall

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Speaker 1: Time behind the Glass. It's till Thursday.