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Speaker 1: wanted to let you know this is a compilation episode.

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Speaker 2: Either snow nor rain, nor heat nor darkness can stop

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Speaker 2: the Persian Courier Service. Welcome to take it out and

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Speaker 2: here a podcast about postal services. Who reasked the question

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Speaker 2: can the American capitalist class finally stop the American post Office?

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mio Wong, and with me to talk

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Speaker 2: about what is going on with the post office, what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the post office unions, and yeah, how

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Speaker 2: things are going downhill for the noble people who carry

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Speaker 2: your mail. Is Tommy Espinoza, who's a union steward for

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Speaker 2: the National Association of Letter Carriers. Tommy, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for giving us the Mailcare dollars, the male carriers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'm really happy to you and I'm

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Speaker 2: So I think the place we should start is with

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Speaker 2: a bunch of very very weird stuff in how labor

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Speaker 2: United States, you have a fatally protected right to strike

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Speaker 2: if you have a union. That is not true for

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Speaker 2: I think this gets into sort of where I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the right to strike has been a rather divisive topic.

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Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine, just over fifty years ago, the

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Speaker 3: This conversation is not new. It was illegal then, it's

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Speaker 3: Right, And to talk about what happens when we push

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Speaker 3: You know, in March nineteen seventy, two hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: It's just the National Guard at our cases where we

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Speaker 3: So there's the National Agreement, which is our binding contract.

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Speaker 2: Of union militancy back in the sort of heyday of

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Speaker 2: Employers just do illegal actions literally all the time, and

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Speaker 3: We have cases that are pending arbitration where someone's been

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Speaker 3: going out of business. And the Postmaster General, Louis de Joy,

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Speaker 4: He's played Ward and Clarence Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was like three hundred eighty thousand

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's been a lot about the Joy defrauding

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Speaker 2: I love open corruption so great.

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Speaker 3: And so on the local level on what's going on

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Speaker 3: But even at one of the better offices, I work

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Speaker 3: You know, if you walk away now, it doesn't get better.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so I try and hold that in mind.

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Speaker 2: is set up in such a way that a small

437
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: number of people being incapacitated means total paralysis and no

438
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: one has any idea what's going on. That's just a

439
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: bad way to run something. And especially it's a terrible

440
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: way to run a union because the union's you know,

441
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: power is supposed to be from from its organization and

442
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: from the collective power of a large, large, organized group

443
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 2: of people who can make decisions for themselves. And if

444
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: it's if that's not happening and you get to the

445
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: point where these decisions are being made by a very

446
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: small number of people who can just sort of vanish,

447
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: like that's that for whatever, and you know, literally whatever

448
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: reason that is, right, it could just be you get sick.

449
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: It could just be like what happens. That's just a

450
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: terrible way to organize things. And I guess it's also

451
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: like I want to make take it like like like

452
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: a little tiny tangent to be like, if you're doing

453
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: any organizing project, your goal is to organize yourself out

454
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: of a job. Like you're like, ideally, if you were

455
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: in an organization, it should be able to function without you.

456
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: There should Not having an indispensable person is a fiasco.

457
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: Don't do that.

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Speaker 2: This is true of both like your tiny local mutual

459
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Speaker 2: aid group as much as is true of your giant

460
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Speaker 2: national union. So that this this has been this has

461
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: been mea talking about the indispensable person don't have.

462
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's kind of the funny thing about joining

463
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: a union from an anarchist perspective. It gets a little

464
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: funky how hierarchical they typically are and the problems that

465
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: we know we are going to face when you have

466
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: a system that's built like a pyramid. Yeah, oh yeah.

467
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: And so I was saying, we're an dark times, but

468
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: there's such a bright future that I can see for

469
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: us Branch nine of the NALC, and namely this individual

470
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: Tyler Vasser, who when I had originally posted on Reddit

471
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: asking for attention, he's the one that I thought would

472
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: be great for this interview. His branch, Branch nine has

473
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: passed a resolution to form an open bargaining strategy for

474
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: contract negotiations, and I hope this sweeps the nation. We're

475
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: not allowed to strike as I've mentioned, and our leadership

476
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: is so shy when it when it comes to activism

477
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: or mobilization of the workforce. They don't want to touch

478
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 3: the topic. The closest thing we have to it is

479
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: a rally that is Enough is Enough that's being held

480
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: in Baltimore soon about the violence that's being done to

481
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: to postal workers. We're being robbed and we're being harassed,

482
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: but even then we're missing a large chunk of the

483
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: danger that is posed to postal workers, because yes, we're

484
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: being robbed on the streets, but we're also being bullied

485
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: and harassed inside of our work places by management, by

486
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: the people who are supposed to empower us to do

487
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: the job effectively. And so they don't want to touch

488
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: the topic of a strike, I think, for fear of retaliation.

489
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: But to me, pushing for the right to strike is

490
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: a I'm not sure how to word this. It is

491
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: such an important part of the nilc's identity, the postal

492
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 3: strike of nineteen seventy, that it seems silly to ignore

493
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: it today and pretend like it didn't happen. So for

494
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Speaker 3: the future, I think that activism is our key to success.

495
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I think that the old heads that lead our union

496
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: come from a time where unions were frowned upon, where

497
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: activism was frowned upon. But I think that public opinion

498
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: will be largely in our favor, and that public opinion

499
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: can really put pressure on the legislative branch on Congress,

500
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: and if we are transparent about our union, what we're

501
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: asking for the issues that we're facing. I think that

502
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: the public would be on our side if the people

503
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: in America knew that management was falsifying time records or

504
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: training records and interfering with workers' comps, claim and back pay,

505
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: or that they're not paying the settlements that they've agreed

506
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: to pay, that they're not scheduling arbitration sessions big or small,

507
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: that they would care, and that they would join us

508
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: in the streets. And major thing that happened I think

509
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: it was last year in the summer, we had a

510
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Speaker 3: letter carrier. His name is Eugene Gates, who died in

511
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: the Texas heat Jesus because management told him not to

512
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: take as many breaks or he would face discipline. She's

513
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: pressures that we face when when you're threatened that you

514
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: will lose your job if you don't listen to us

515
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: you will push yourself to the point of exhaustion. And further, yeah,

516
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: I think that the post Office killed mister Gates and

517
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: there wasn't as much outcry or or anger behind the movement.

518
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: I often find myself thinking that while I don't have

519
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: the answers, I do know that we need to care more. Yeah,

520
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: and it's hard to care when when you're exhausted. I

521
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's two things about that. One, I mean,

524
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Speaker 2: I don't and this is something I've gotten to with

525
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the sort of interviews that I've done

526
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: on this show, is that I think a lot of

527
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: very very basic jobs have labor conditions that are unimaginably

528
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: appalling that people just don't know about. And I think

529
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: people are very sympathetic too, once they actually understand what's

530
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: happening in the kind of just horror show stuff that's

531
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Speaker 2: happening in these workplaces. And the second thing I think

532
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: that's sort of important in terms of getting people to

533
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, like trying to actually do like mass mobilizations

534
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: even just to get people to understand what's going on,

535
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Speaker 2: is that I think a lot of people who are

536
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: facing these kinds of conditions, think that they're alone and

537
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: think that it's just something that happens to them, or

538
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: they've been in them for so long they think that

539
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: it's sort of normal. And having a bunch of people

540
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: go no, like a happens and be it shouldn't happen

541
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: is extraordinarily powerful because you know like that that feeling

542
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: of isolation is is the thing that all of that

543
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: you know, you're that your bosses depend on to make

544
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: sure that you know you you just keep going along

545
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: with these conditions even though they are just objectively horrific,

546
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Speaker 2: And I think any strategy that's not based on that

547
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: is just not going to go anywhere.

548
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: Right And one of the strategies that I really want

549
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: to push forward as I grow within the union. And

550
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I want to stay as steward.

551
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: I think that educating our members and uh being part

552
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: of the workforce is my place in the union. But

553
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: what I want to push is for union solidarity. I

554
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: want the NLC to hire organizers, specifically organizers to try

555
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: and get the public mobilized and as well as the

556
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: work so that we can put pressure on Congress so

557
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: that we can show our bargaining teams that we support

558
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: them and so that we can have clearly defined bargaining terms.

559
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that having solidarity between unions and

560
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: reaching out to the other movements in a time where

561
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: union support is higher than ever is such a clear

562
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: path that we are just ignoring for whatever reason because

563
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: people are afraid to speak out against the Post Office.

564
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: And so I'm really not sure what's going to happen

565
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: with our current contract, but I do know that the

566
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: fight never ends, and that while we stand on the

567
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: shoulders of giants, we have to pay respect to these

568
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: giants by not giving up now. And I'm a relatively

569
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: new employee and steward, but I'm really walking in the

570
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: footsteps of some warriors. The brand president I mentioned, Ken Lurch,

571
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: has given me so much support and education and has

572
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: done so much hard work over the years that I

573
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: don't have to reinvent the wheel, none of us do.

574
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: We just have to continue the struggle.

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00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think that's a great place

576
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: to end. You unless you have anything else that you

577
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: want to make sure we get.

578
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: To no, nothing, nothing on this topic.

579
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how can how can people support you and

580
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: postal workers just in general? If there's specific place you

581
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: want them to go.

582
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: In general, there is on the na LC site, which

583
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: is just an AOC dot com, there is a section

584
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: where you put in your address and it it'll give

585
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: you the email addresses, the phone numbers for your representatives

586
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: so that you can make some noise. Again, we're amazingly

587
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: lim in what we can do, so there's not really

588
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: anything that you can donate to to help us, including

589
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: the letter carrier political fund. But yeah, just pay attention

590
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: to us. Maybe leave a bottle of water out in

591
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: your front door, says for the postal worker. You know,

592
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: there's nothing better that you can do than talking about it.

593
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Word of mouth is the best advertisement.

594
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we will, we will. We will put that

595
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: in the show notes. Help you all win. And I

596
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: don't I don't think I've ever said this genuinely in

597
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: my life, but thank you for your service.

598
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Yeah. I never imagined myself to become

599
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: a federal employee, and it is just as bad as

600
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: I imagined. Yeah, so I do want to shout out

601
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: Actually it's a little meta, I guess, but I do

602
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: want to shout out some important episodes of it could

603
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: happen here. That hit me very closely if I can. Yeah, yeah,

604
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: go for it, because a lot of the people listening

605
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: will be postal workers that have been pointed in this direction.

606
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: Please look at the Mayan mar episodes, the Free Burmer,

607
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: the Burmese Revolution, and look at the work that me.

608
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: I believe you've done the same work as James with

609
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: border kindness. Those are two topics that I think y'all

610
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: hit really well and that really touched me as a person.

611
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll relisten to those episodes when I'm having a

612
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: hard day just to remind myself that it's all the same.

613
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: It's all the same fight.

614
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely is, And I mean I think that's

615
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: that's sort of the beauty. I mean, it's both the

616
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: beauty and the horror of this world is that on

617
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: the one hand, all of us are being crushed by

618
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: the same sets of forces. But on the other hand,

619
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: it means that whatever fight that you're taking is also

620
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: a part of the larger fight forget all.

621
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Speaker 4: Of us free.

622
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So just fight the burnout and stay in

623
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: the fight.

624
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 5: Yep.

625
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is been nicked up here. Go make trouble

626
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: for people who suck.

627
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: Robert Evans here, and this is it could happen here,

628
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: and boy, it sure is now. I don't know where

629
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: we go from this point, and neither does anyone else.

630
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: On the moment before I wrote this, I woke up,

631
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: groggy from my chemically assisted sleep to a barrage of horror.

632
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump signing Anti Tran's legislation into law, Elon Musk

633
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: giving a double fascist salute, Donald Trump's saluting and dancing

634
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: with the village people, proud boys tramping through the streets

635
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: of our nation's capital, reveling in their newfound impunity. The

636
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: dark days have come again because they never really left.

637
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: All the battles and street fighting and organizing from twenty

638
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty twenty brought us four years of badly

639
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: negotiated peace while the rot continued unabated rot. It's a

640
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: term I see a lot these days. My colleague and

641
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: friend ed Zetron refers to the hell our tech oligarchs

642
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: continue to force upon us as the rot economy. Charlie Angus,

643
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: a member of the Canadian Parliament, used the term rage

644
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: rot to refer to now President Trump's Christmas Day message

645
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: suggesting Canada should become the fifty first State. Over the

646
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: last year, I've seen a slew of articles bemoaning democratic decay,

647
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: the rot plaguing democracy, and the deep rot at the

648
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: heart of our political system. One thing I have done

649
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: the last four years is learn how to efficiently process

650
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the carcasses of wild animals. So I hunt to raise

651
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: and slaughter, but many are roadkill, harvested from the side

652
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: of the road. My family comes from rural Oklahoma, so

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Speaker 1: perhaps there's some epigenetic hillbilly memory that makes this so

654
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: satisfying to me. But it's also changed the way I

655
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: understand the word rot. Rot starts from the bone. If

656
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: you look at the back leg of an animal that's

657
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: been hit by a truck, you'll see it spreading a

658
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: deep black bruise from the ball and socket joint out.

659
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: If your goal is to preserve good meat, then the

660
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: key is to remove those limbs from the body and

661
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: then the meat from the bone sooner rather than later.

662
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: When I think of rot and how to arrest it,

663
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: I think of dismemberment. This seems to be the one

664
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: thing that almost every political person in the country agrees

665
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: with the United States as it is, must be dismembered, disassembled,

666
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: sliced from the rotten bone and changed into something more

667
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: palatable for whoever holds the knife. Joe Biden and the

668
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: Democratic Party failed primarily because they refuse to start cutting.

669
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: Their successors will not make the same mistake on the

670
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: opposing side of the isle. Today, I see a lot

671
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: of angry people arguing about what the knife ought to

672
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: be cutting, and how much better they'd use it if

673
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: it passed into their hands. That doesn't help any of

674
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: us right now. Migrants are dying of thirst while vigilantes

675
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: destroy water drops left by activists who themselves will likely

676
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: be criminalized in the near future. Homeless Americans trying not

677
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to freeze to death at knight may soon find themselves arrested,

678
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: forced into camps where they'll be made to labor for pennies.

679
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: Neo Nazi's cheer as the billionaire behind the throne makes

680
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: fascist salutes from the White House with smirking impunity. The

681
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: knife is so far away from our hands, I find

682
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: myself distrusting anyone who wastes time bemoaning how it ought

683
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: to be used. Where does that leave us, though? Is

684
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: there anything to do in this deep winter besides listen

685
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: to the jackals? Howling outside our doors. I have an

686
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: answer to this question. Yes, now is the time to

687
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: try to test the boundaries of our collective cage. Now

688
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: is the time to experiment. Since the time of the

689
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers, this country and its system have been referred

690
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: to as the American Experiment. One could see the very

691
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: terms narcissistic, yet another solipsistic gasp of American exceptionalism. But

692
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: I tend to think the appellation is one we've earned.

693
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: This country is and always has been a test tube

694
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: for new, often bad ideas about how a society ought

695
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: to run. American civilization's only core value is throw shit

696
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: at the wall and see what sticks. That also happens

697
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: to be the only real way to fight back against authoritarianism.

698
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: There's a scientific paper I bring up often, the evolution

699
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: of overconfidence, which set out to explain why people so

700
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: often badly overestimate their own abilities. The authors pondered quote

701
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: infidence also leads to faulty assessments, unrealistic expectations, and hazardous decisions.

702
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: So it remains a puzzle how such a false belief

703
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: could evolve or remain stable in a population of competing

704
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: strategies that include accurate unbiased beliefs now. The conclusion these

705
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: researchers came to was that when significant resources are contested

706
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: between two organisms, the organism most willing to try to

707
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: take said resources, even if it is not the strongest,

708
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: tends to succeed, often enough to make overconfidence evolutionarily beneficial.

709
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: This is the most basic explanation for how fascist movements

710
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: continue to arise and improbably take power. Put simply, they

711
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: always go for it. January sixth provides us with a

712
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: fine example. It was a ludicrous, idiotic, reckless burst of stupidity,

713
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: mocked for years by everyone except the perpetrators, who four

714
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: years later find themselves with ultimate power. They didn't win

715
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: because they were the strongest. They won because they kept trying,

716
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: and the people who should have stopped them feared bad press,

717
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: the pushback of looking unfair, and so stood back well.

718
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: The fascists made smaller grabs, gobbling up bits of the media,

719
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: local school boards, and narrative oxygen around issues like immigration

720
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: and now, well, we're here, and we'll continue to talk

721
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: about here after these ads we're back. The coming days

722
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: will be ugly. Yet I feel it's my job to

723
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: remind you that bad as this is We are not

724
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: ym our Germany, and this is not nineteen thirty three.

725
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Trump and his lieutenants aren't battle hardened trench fighters. They're

726
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: elon musk and a coterie of half enthusiastic, half frightened

727
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: billionaires who got rich gambling on apps to let you

728
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: rate your classmates tits. Their foot soldiers are used car

729
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: salesmen from Encino, not Freikorps. The United States is not

730
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: starving to death crippled by war. It's irritated anxious because

731
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: it's working people have been robbed blind by the same

732
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: billionaires standing behind Trump now. The one thing we do

733
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: have in common with Weimar is that our fascists now

734
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: find themselves at the head of a state that capitulated

735
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: to them, not out of enthusiastic consent, but exhaustion, cowardice,

736
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: and above all, a feeling that it didn't really matter

737
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: that last one, the feeling that nothing matters. The system

738
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: as fucked, there's no point in engaging or organizing. That

739
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: is the most powerful weapon they have right now, because

740
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: that feeling stops you and everyone else from opposing them,

741
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: from interrupting as they reach out yet again to take

742
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: something you love or need. But there's a danger here too.

743
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: In moments of stress and anger, the desire to do something, anything,

744
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: can be intense, and when we're swept up in that mood,

745
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: the natural tendency is defaulting to the things we know best,

746
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: the things we've done before, the marches and chants and

747
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: poster boards we've been walking and shouting and carrying all

748
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: century long. Going back to those tactics without iteration or

749
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: acknowledgment of their limitations and failures is a road to

750
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: more failure. I've been to a lot of protests, starting

751
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: at Zuccati Park in twenty eleven an ending last year

752
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: in Chicago at the dn C. One of the most

753
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: dispeariting moments of my life was listening to young anti

754
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: genocide activistsbow to shut down the DNC to quote make

755
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: it great like sixty eight. This was a reference to

756
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention. Mass protests were ignited

757
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: there when the favorite anti war candidate, Eugene McCarthy was

758
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: ratfucked by Democratic Party insiders in favor of Vice President

759
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Hubert Humphrey. The protests were quashed violently with tear gas

760
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: and truncheons. Testers chanted the whole world is watching, and

761
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: it's been a chant ever since. The world may have

762
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: been watching then, but the war went on. Nixon won election,

763
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: then reelection, and then finally pulled US troops out of

764
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: Vietnam after dropping enough bombs on Southeast Asia to have

765
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: ended several Third reips. In twenty twenty four, a new

766
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: batch of anti war protesters chanted the whole world is watching,

767
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: and I can say unequivocally it was not. The Only

768
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: people watching were me, several other journalists, and of course

769
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: some people on Twitter. The police, as they kettled Maston

770
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: arrested members of the crowd barely seemed to care. The

771
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: DNC didn't shut down. Kamala Harris was made the nominee.

772
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: There wasn't even a real anti war candidate for party

773
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: insiders to rat fuck in her favor. Garrison Davis, my

774
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: colleague and friend, remarked to me afterwards that the DNC

775
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: had been somehow much more depressing than its Republican counterpart

776
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: a month earlier. He was right on the stage floor.

777
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: All the Democrats had to present were aging celebrities and

778
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: build goddamn Clinton, drooling out the same platitudes that led

779
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: us to the Trump era. In the first place, and

780
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: doing their best to ignore delegates who walked out and

781
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: slept in front of the convention center to protest the

782
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: genocide in Gaza. Meanwhile, in the streets, a lot of

783
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: very nice, earnest people alongside a handful of grifters did

784
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: the only thing they could think of doing after months

785
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: of imbibing footage of war crimes. They walked around and shouted.

786
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: The police, and the city largely let them because they

787
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: knew none of it was going to change a goddamn thing.

788
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I'd felt tremendous optimism right after Joe Biden resigned, not

789
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: because I loved Kamala, but because it was something shocking,

790
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: an upset, an experiment, or at least it seemed that way.

791
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: At first. The DNC made it clear that Biden's advisors

792
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: and consiglieris, the powers behind the throne, still ran the

793
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: show and would not allow any real change. The rot

794
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: had spread too far, spoiling the meat, spoiling everything. It

795
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: was my accurate belief in twenty twenty that the Democratic Party,

796
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: broken as it was, had the numbers in the organizational

797
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: capacity to slow the spread of fascism for a short time.

798
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: It was my inaccurate belief in twenty twenty four that

799
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: this might still be the case. I had a hope

800
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: because I'd lost any sense of actual productive optimism. We

801
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: lean on hope when we have no ideas. To brace

802
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: ourselves against hope, as George Miller reminded, us, is a mistake.

803
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: If you don't fix what's broken, you'll go crazy. And

804
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: that's where we are now going crazy. Committed Democrats, the decent,

805
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: regular people who fill the party, not the soulless shogoths

806
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: of capital running things, are going crazy because we returned

807
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: to normal, decent politician to office. He kept the economy

808
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: humming along, and everyone still hated him. Us are crazy

809
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: for a different reason. In twenty twenty, this country saw

810
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: the largest sustained uprising of its modern history, and nothing

811
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: fundamentally changed in its aftermath. The oligarchs who control social

812
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: media set to tweaking, buying, or outright inverting their algorithms

813
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: to ensure no similar movement whatever gain that kind of

814
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: steam again. Their efforts have largely been successful, and yet

815
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: many organizers, be they progressive, social democrats, communists, anarchists, whatever,

816
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: they're all still stuck in the same loops behind each

817
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: march to nowhere, and tired chant is an equally tired hope.

818
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: The social Democrats dream of a giant, continent sized Denmark

819
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: with cyclists replacing Ford trucks, universal healthcare, good schools, and

820
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: a bevy of other lovely things. Both political parties will

821
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: fight tooth and nail to prevent. The communists dream of

822
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: a new October Revolution, but this one will work and

823
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: not just create a new kind of dictatorship that ages

824
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: and dies inside the space of a single human lifetime.

825
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Anarchists tend to be very good at seeing the flaws

826
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: and the logic and futility of the hopes of the

827
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: two previous groups, but they are just as bereft of

828
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: ideas for how to stop what's coming. Some tendencies dream

829
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: of collapse, maybe even accelerationism, an end to industrial society,

830
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: and then either living in the woods eating berries, or

831
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: some kind of solar punk day dream wildflowers spouting from rubble.

832
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I sympathize, but try offering either future to a single

833
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: mom who can't afford her five year old's insulin and

834
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: see how excited she gets. On the other side of

835
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: the anarchist coin, you've got the helpers the people who

836
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: cheerfully admit they don't know how to solve the big problem,

837
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: but they do know how to provide free eye exams

838
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: to homeless people once a month, or do water drops

839
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: down at the border so migrants don't die of dehydration,

840
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: or make it more expensive for the state to bulldoze

841
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: a forest and build a police training facility. If you

842
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: are where we all are right now, ideas staring down

843
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: the barrel of a nightmare, those are good folks to know.

844
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: Like everyone else, they're defaulting to what they've been doing,

845
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: but at least what they've been doing helps people. The

846
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: larger solutions to our common woes, if they ever arrive,

847
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: will be something new, something we haven't tried yet. I

848
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: feel very confident that they won't take the form of

849
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: another march, or involve everyone finally agreeing to be the

850
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: same kind of communist or anarchist or whatever. Sean Fain,

851
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: chief of the United Autoworkers' Union, has called for a

852
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: general strike in twenty twenty eight, and so far that

853
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: is the only clear plan I have heard from anyone

854
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: that feels like it has a ghost of a chance.

855
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: It is audacious, and I recommend reading what Sean's laid

856
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: out about it. But half of why I support the

857
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: idea is because it's audacious. The religious right got to

858
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: where they are right now in this country by being bold, as.

859
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: I laid out earlier.

860
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: Fascists win because they try, and this is something we

861
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: need to copy. Shit can be different, but not unless

862
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: you're willing to try different shit. Many pundits and columnists

863
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: were shocked and horrified by the mass of an instant

864
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Speaker 1: support for Luigim Mangioni when he assassinated the CEO of

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Speaker 1: United Healthcare. Both the tutting gatekeepers of traditional media and

866
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Speaker 1: the actually sweating oligarchs characterize this as evidence of bloodthirstiness.

867
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Speaker 1: Some leftists did the same and interpreted support for Luigi

868
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Speaker 1: as proof that the body politic did indeed have energy

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Speaker 1: for an uprising. I saw something a bit different, more

870
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Speaker 1: than the actual killing itself. I think people were excited

871
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Speaker 1: to see someone try something new. Luigi adopted a novel tactic.

872
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Speaker 1: He carried it out in a novel way, and in

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Speaker 1: doing so, he did more to punish one of the

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Speaker 1: oligarchs bleeding us dry than the entire occupy movement. Novelty

875
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Speaker 1: is the one thing that ties Donald Trump and Luigimanngioni together.

876
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: The enthusiastic public response to both men's actions and the

877
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Speaker 1: simultaneous revulsion of traditional elites are mirrors of themselves. In

878
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Trump still had enough novelty to convince

879
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: people that he might upset the apple cart in a

880
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: way that benefited them. He rode a global anti incumbent

881
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: wave back to the White House. The consequence of this

882
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: is that he and his are now on their way

883
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Speaker 1: to becoming the new establishment. This is the downside of

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Speaker 1: the fact that most legacy media outlets have started moderating

885
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: their coverage of Trump, if not embracing him outright, he

886
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: is being normalized. His toadies, Musk chief among them, are

887
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: now our legitimate powers. What novelty remains will fade rapidly.

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00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: I suspect the same thing will be true of the

889
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: copycats who follow in Luigi Maggioni's footsteps. Most of his

890
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: plagiarists won't be good at what they do. At best,

891
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: newly heightened security will see these people dropped before they

892
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: get to pull a trigger. At worst, innocent folks will

893
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: be killed or aimed by bullets and bombs that fail

894
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: to hit their intended targets or do, but with a

895
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Speaker 1: lot of collateral damage. So I don't know what the

896
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: next new thing to actually work will be. But between

897
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: Trump and Luigi, there aren't many old norms left to shatter.

898
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Speaker 1: We are in a time of enormous potential. Many new

899
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: things are about to be tried, and as awful and

900
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: bloody as the fallout from some of them will be,

901
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: we all have no choice but to strap in and

902
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: roll some dice of our own. The present is ugly,

903
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: the future unwritten, but the only way we'll make it

904
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: a better one is if we embrace boldness, creativity, and

905
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: perhaps a little over confidence of our own. And this

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Speaker 1: is not the end of the episode. We've got something

907
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Speaker 1: else for you, folks. But first, here's another ad break. Okay, everybody,

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Speaker 1: we're back, And obviously what you just listened to is

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00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: an essay I wrote about my thoughts and feelings today,

910
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: the first day of the new Trump administration. I felt

911
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: like that wasn't quite enough. And the first thing I

912
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: actually came across this morning when I woke up, before

913
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Speaker 1: I started subjecting myself to a barrage of horrible news,

914
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Speaker 1: was a poem written by a friend of mine, Emily Gorzyinski.

915
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: It's called the Time of Cowards, and I think it's

916
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: a very useful thing for you to hear right now.

917
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a good companion to what I wrote,

918
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to let Emily take it away before

919
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: I do that. If you want to read the poem

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Speaker 1: in text form or find her other work, you can

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Speaker 1: go to Emily Gorzynski g o r ce n ski

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's Emily g o r c e n

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Speaker 1: ski dot com.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: It is the time of cowards.

926
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Speaker 6: It is the time of the coward. Is the age

927
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 6: of the lyre and greed and avarice and lost boys

928
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 6: and a dopamine hit in fractals and velocity and velocity

929
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 6: and velocity, and go, go, go, don't stop. Don't stop

930
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 6: to realize the indecency, the disloyalty, the dishonor, the discreditability,

931
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 6: the parsimony, the hordes hoarded behind the gates, the gatekeepers keep.

932
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 6: This is the dawn of masculine energy, not the energy

933
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 6: your father taught you about measuring twice and cutting once,

934
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 6: about picking yourself up and how the sting of hydrogen

935
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 6: peroxide means it's working or your grandfather who spent the

936
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Speaker 6: days you spent smoking weed behind a seven to eleven,

937
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 6: serving on a torpedo boat, waiting for the sharks, who

938
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Speaker 6: never failed to stop to lend a hand to those

939
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Speaker 6: in need, or say grace before dinner, or to help

940
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Speaker 6: you with your math homework, or teach you not to

941
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Speaker 6: wear a necktie at a lathe. This is the year

942
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 6: of cutting once and never measuring. Pencil in the blueprints

943
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 6: with whatever comes out. It's faster that way. The season

944
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 6: of hypocrites, and not of confidence, but confidence men. The

945
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: masculine energy of the can, the scam, the bamboozle, the fraud,

946
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 6: the pulling of the rug and the begging of the question.

947
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 6: Now is the killing hour. The clockhands float over the

948
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 6: blood in the streets, and the rage, and the rage,

949
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 6: and the uncorked hatred overflows, the minutes of impotence, expanding overflowing, fizzling.

950
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 6: Deception gives way to more deception. Not a single promise

951
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 6: is kept. Rapaciousness and rape and abandonment and the cutting

952
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 6: of corners and KPIs A newborn died in the baby

953
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 6: box in Italy because the alarm censor didn't work. It

954
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: is an honorless time, a time of only one question,

955
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 6: not how or may or can or if or whether,

956
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 6: but when how soon? No legacy, no history, no reputation.

957
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 6: Build the factories, then abandon them. The soil keeps the memory,

958
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 6: and and scars, and the floodwaters, and the clear windshields

959
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 6: where the splatters of bugguts used to be, and the

960
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 6: images in the twenty year old magazine still in the rack,

961
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 6: and the guest bathrooms never used that showed how children

962
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 6: used to go sledding. And maybe the house is too big,

963
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 6: No one comes by. I shoveled the neighbor's walk in

964
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Speaker 6: the snow and salted it so he didn't slip on

965
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: the ice and could receive his mail. He's an old man,

966
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 6: one of the few black men left living in this

967
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 6: neighborhood that was theirs. Once he sent me a letter,

968
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 6: it went all the way to Richmond to come to

969
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 6: my door. He's the last man with dignity. In the letter,

970
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 6: he told me he has a new toy, a laptop,

971
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 6: which makes him happy because he's a big lover of

972
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 6: history and he can go online and read about it.

973
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Speaker 6: And I weep for this last dignified man who proudly

974
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 6: wears a cap honoring his service. Because this is the

975
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 6: era of synthesis and generation, and revision and content content, content,

976
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 6: and inverifiability and manipulation. This is the pseudo scene. I

977
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 6: bought a bottle of wine from a century's old ye

978
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 6: destroyed in a devastating flood, an unsellable bottle in the

979
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 6: retail market, fundraiser souvenir. I kept it as a memento

980
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 6: Mary of our changing world, a mud covered reminder of

981
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 6: how we all must work, little by little to give

982
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 6: the world forward. It broke when I tried to move

983
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 6: it home on my seventy second flight of the year.

984
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 6: It is the decade of hypocrisy. Even for those who

985
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 6: can see hypocrisy, they may be a vice president. And

986
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 6: with every title change, I move farther from God, a

987
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 6: God I never believed in. I was raised in New

988
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 6: England towns named for Biblical places by people who thought

989
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: working the rocky soil brought them closer to God. The

990
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 6: only holy Men left are those in the fields Basra

991
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 6: and Lebanon, and the Gilead and Hebron. The people who

992
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 6: named those towns committed a genocide to name them, and

993
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 6: four hundred years later in their namesakes the same. It

994
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 6: is the epoch of cadaverin. It is the knight of

995
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 6: bonfires and Feuershpusche, then highlight of stories that dared in

996
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 6: poems and albums. And I tried to sell a book,

997
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 6: and I learned that there's only interest in a book

998
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 6: when you put yourself into it to be consumed. Words

999
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 6: are calories, measured in the amount of heat they gave

1000
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 6: a flame. I walked over the Westminster Bridge one night

1001
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 6: with a journalist who told me that they can't publish

1002
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 6: two good stories at a time because if one goes viral,

1003
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 6: it punishes the other. The arcane footfalls of the algorithm dance.

1004
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 6: It is the sunset of craft and skills handed down

1005
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 6: in heritage, the waxing of a crass and pandering moon

1006
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 6: of pantomime, a frictionless night, a night where nothing dared,

1007
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 6: nothing gained, a night of shutters and locks. These are

1008
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: the dark ages, ages of embarrassing the future. There's a

1009
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 6: shame here that penance cannot satisfy. The sturdy empty shells,

1010
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 6: the blue hyperlinks to nowhere, and a generation lost must

1011
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 6: be lost because profit cannot be taken from an idea.

1012
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 6: I think of the mimiograph machine stuck under the floorboards

1013
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 6: of the Solidara Nosche house, and the punks and the

1014
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 6: whores who copied radical zines in the public library, xerox machines,

1015
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 6: and the Yugoslavian Galaxia, and the novels now considered some

1016
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 6: of the greatest of all time, once banned for obscenity.

1017
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 6: In Chochescu's house, the original TV remains. The revolutionaries didn't

1018
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 6: bother to steal it because there were only thirty minutes

1019
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 6: of broadcast TV each day. In the crepuscular light, birds

1020
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 6: dare to sing, even though they know the cats hunt below.

1021
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 6: In Vilnius, there is a tile in a square. They say,

1022
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 6: if you make a wish and spin around it three times,

1023
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 6: your wish will come true. At this tile a human

1024
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 6: chain formed and spanned three countries, and they sang at

1025
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 6: Hadra Kim. On the right day, the morning light filters

1026
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 6: in over the lonesome island of Philfla and fills a

1027
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 6: hole drilled in the sandstone five thousand years ago, and

1028
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 6: has done so unfailingly over the millennia that have seen

1029
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 6: countless empires rise and fall, and the solstice of retribution

1030
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 6: will come again.

1031
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 4: Hi, if you want, and welcome to the podcast. I

1032
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: was going to go for a really Robert Evans' intro there,

1033
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 4: but I bottled it. I am a coward and I

1034
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: couldn't do it. I hate all of you. It's Margaret Kiljoy,

1035
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 4: everyone here to spread the good news. I was trying

1036
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: to rap at Evans that, oh, okay, yeah, and it

1037
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 4: doesn't he only hate a certain percentage of them, all right,

1038
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: Statistically speaking, he likes some of you. Yeah, And because

1039
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 4: I know some nice people listen there Robert likes. Maybe

1040
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 4: it's you, maybe it's not. You'll never know. Today we're

1041
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: not here to talk about who Robert Evans likes. But

1042
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: we are here to talk about what to do if

1043
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 4: your house is going to burn down or you have

1044
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 4: to leave because they think it might burn down. This

1045
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 4: is obviously a topic that is front of mind for

1046
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 4: people in southern California currently, given the massive wildfires that

1047
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 4: have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles. There are fires

1048
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 4: in venturin Oxtard as well. Now the whole of East

1049
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 4: County San Diego is under a red flag warning. Fire

1050
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: conditions continue because climate change continues, and we have decided

1051
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: as a society not to do anything about that, and

1052
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: so this shit is going to be the rest of

1053
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 4: our lives.

1054
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 7: If you're on the East Coast or somewhere else and

1055
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 7: you're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm not on the West coast,

1056
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 7: bad news for you.

1057
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 4: You're not fine.

1058
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 7: Slowly, more and more the East Coast, including the northeast,

1059
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 7: is being seen as a fire prone area, and we're

1060
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 7: seeing an increase in fire out east as well.

1061
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, the United Kingdom as wildfires now a thing did

1062
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 4: not exist. Do you all even have wild over there?

1063
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1064
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 4: We have like land owned by the monarch fires, we

1065
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 4: have like parks and protected land. We don't really have.

1066
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 4: We have commons to a degree, but not not like

1067
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 4: public land out the US does. Like when I was

1068
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: a kid, we used to burn the stubble in straw fields.

1069
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 4: Like that's how how few fucks we gave about fires.

1070
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 4: We just burn it in a plat back in and

1071
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 4: air quality, I guess. Yeah, that is not a thing

1072
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 4: that people engage in anymore. That's probably for the best.

1073
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 4: Fire it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray, hooray. Yeah,

1074
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Speaker 4: lucky you the cleansing fire. I feel like there's a

1075
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 4: John Betchaman poem I could go off with here, but

1076
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 4: I'll spare you all right. So, if you are in

1077
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: a place where you are very likely to have to

1078
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 4: evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some

1079
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 4: things that you may wish to consider doing. I've harvested

1080
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: these from mutual a groups in LA and from the

1081
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 4: Cowfire website, where they give you advice on what to

1082
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 4: do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you want

1083
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 4: to do is turn off your gas. For those of

1084
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 4: you who are not familiar, this is a flammable substance,

1085
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 4: and your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire

1086
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 4: would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to

1087
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 4: do this. Normally, you should have a valve near the meter.

1088
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 4: Some places we'll have what's called an earthquake shut off

1089
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 4: or an earthquake valve, where you won't need a tool.

1090
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that. In fact, i'm pretty certain those

1091
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 4: are not mandatory, even in California, because I've lived places

1092
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 4: that don't have them. Then again, there are things that

1093
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 4: are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing. I think we

1094
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 4: all know that. Yeah, or like grandfathered into or whatever.

1095
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah. Yeah, given that people outside California are

1096
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 4: listening and the earthquakes are are fortunately not coming for

1097
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 4: us all just yet, I would just suggest that you

1098
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 4: try and find where your gas shut off is. Now.

1099
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 4: It's often where the gas comes into the property, like

1100
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 4: there's a gas meter, and normally you're going to need

1101
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 4: some kind of tool to turn that. What I've used

1102
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 4: normally is just like an adjustable spanner or wrench for

1103
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 4: those of you in the United States, the people at

1104
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 4: California that you're talking to. Yeah, yes, yeah, I follow Californians.

1105
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 4: You can turn that valve so it's parallel with the

1106
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 4: pipe that's kind of shut off the gas coming into

1107
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: your house. Do you mean perpendicular to the pipe. I'm curious.

1108
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 4: I think parallel is shut off.

1109
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 7: Interesting with water, you turn it off by moving it perpendicular.

1110
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 7: I've never messed with a gas line. I've lived weird

1111
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 7: and off grid instead.

1112
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me have a look. I'm checking now. Yeah. Sorry,

1113
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 4: it wants to be at ninety degrees to the pipe. Yeah,

1114
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 4: so it should be in line with the pipe when

1115
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 4: you start in ninety degrees to the pipe when you turn.

1116
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 7: It off, which you can just kind of imagine as

1117
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 7: like when it's in line, you can imagine like, oh,

1118
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 7: that's how the gas and water can flow through, and

1119
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 7: then when it's to the side, it's like, oh, now

1120
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 7: it's blocking it.

1121
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 4: That's how I remember that. That's much easier visually if

1122
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 4: you imagine like the hole in the valve lining up

1123
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 4: with the handle thing on there. Yeah, do you want

1124
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 4: to turn that off? I've seen some suggestions that you

1125
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 4: want to turn water off. Generally, the advice is not

1126
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 4: to turn your water off, and to hook up your

1127
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps such that they can

1128
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 4: be used if they need to be used. I have

1129
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 4: seen some suggestions to turn water off because I guess

1130
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 4: people's pipes are which is decreasing water pressure.

1131
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 7: And it seems like that's probably a like city versus

1132
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 7: rural or like city to city kind of divide. You

1133
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 7: should listen to your local authorities around this kind of thing, right,

1134
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 7: Like in the case of California, you can go to

1135
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 7: CalFire right and there will be evacuation advice on the

1136
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 7: CalFire website.

1137
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 4: There might even be on your city website. Some of

1138
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: it is useful. This is a useful thing if you

1139
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 4: do need to turn off your water. Again, water shut

1140
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 4: offs could be in a variety of places, so it

1141
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 4: kind of depends. Especially if you're on a well, you're

1142
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 4: probably row and if you're rollo, you're probably gonna be

1143
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 4: leaving it on.

1144
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're probably going to turning off your water. Yeah,

1145
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 7: but if you do need to do it's just a

1146
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 7: pipe going into your basement that you turn it on.

1147
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 4: You can sometimes be at the side of your house.

1148
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 4: You might need to give this a little bit of

1149
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: WD forty Sometimes on a little little plastic box as well,

1150
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: And a little plastic box has a little hole and

1151
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 4: you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that

1152
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 4: hole and pop it open. We're now talking about city

1153
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 4: water again, right, municipal water, yes, yeah, that's city water.

1154
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1155
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where if you have a water meeting box

1156
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 4: it could and the shut offs in there. Familiarize yourself

1157
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 4: with that stuff now so that you're not doing it

1158
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 4: in a panic later, And that's kind of where a

1159
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 4: lot of what we're talking about today is important. It's

1160
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: if you do it now, you don't have to dash

1161
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 4: about your house grabbing thinking is this important? Do I

1162
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: need this? Do I need that? Right? Because like I've

1163
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: evacuated for wildfires living in California a few times. I'd

1164
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 4: like to think I have it pretty down now, But

1165
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 4: definitely the first time I was, you know, freshly minted

1166
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 4: European migrant. It was not familiar with this stuff, and

1167
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 4: it definitely just ran around grabbing things. So it turned

1168
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 4: out to be the wrong thing. It's like, cool, I've

1169
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 4: got three bicycles here, let me let me go to

1170
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 4: the shelter.

1171
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 7: And you can get something called a water key or

1172
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 7: a silcock key. And I have a thing I have

1173
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 7: not personally used it. I have a thing called an

1174
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 7: eight way key. Sometimes they are called four way keys,

1175
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 7: depends on how many little wrenches on them are on them.

1176
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 7: And these are just cheap things that have like basically

1177
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 7: all of the weird wrench style things that you would

1178
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 7: never otherwise use, like all the weird like triangle things.

1179
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 7: They can get you into like the boxes on a

1180
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 7: subway car, and they can turn on and off water,

1181
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 7: like I carry one in case you know you're in

1182
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 7: the apocalypse and you need to turn on the water

1183
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 7: at a rest area. You know that kind of thing.

1184
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 7: I've first learned about these from squatters, so it would

1185
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 7: just move into houses and then turn the water on.

1186
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 7: And they they're built in specialized ways to try and

1187
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,480
Speaker 7: prevent squatter from doing exactly what I'm describing.

1188
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you couldn't use your standard socket set or

1189
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 4: what happens. So that's where you need these specialized keys. Yeah,

1190
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 4: and they're not very expensive you can buy.

1191
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 7: They're also not very high quality. This isn't the kind

1192
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 7: of thing you're going to want to use over and

1193
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 7: over again. They're usually cast and like they break, it's

1194
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 7: like pot metal. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but there are right

1195
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 7: as far as I can tell. Yeah, and any you

1196
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 7: hope youre not going to need to use them very much.

1197
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 7: Are the things that you should turn on or off.

1198
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 7: Turn off your air conditioning.

1199
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 4: No one's in the house anyway, I would consider leaving

1200
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 4: your exterior lights on. This is just going to help

1201
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 4: firefighters see things and see your house in the event

1202
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 4: that your house is still there. You can close your

1203
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 4: windows and doors. It's amazing how much difference closed doors

1204
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 4: even internally make it in fire spread that There are

1205
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: plenty of videos you can watch about this online, but

1206
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 4: like it's amazing how much difference it makes having those closed.

1207
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: But you don't want to lock your front door like

1208
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 4: you're going to see a lot of stuff about looting.

1209
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 4: I will tell you right now that the people who

1210
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 4: are looting from wildfare survivors are the landlords who are

1211
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 4: charging one hundred and fifty percent of the rent that

1212
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 4: they were a month ago for people to find a

1213
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 4: flaceplace to live.

1214
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 7: Also, if my house is about to burn down and

1215
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 7: you go steal all my stuff, good have it?

1216
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, lucky you like I hope you don't get burned,

1217
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah, compared to if a firefighter needs to

1218
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 4: enter that house to prevent it burning down. It takes

1219
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 4: a meaningful amount of time to break down a door, yeah,

1220
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 4: and you can save that time by leaving it open.

1221
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, that is something that I think you will

1222
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 4: get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much

1223
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: corporate news. If you can close metal shutters on your

1224
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 4: windows but remove curtains, flammable things near windows generally not

1225
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 4: a good idea, right, that makes sense. So if you've

1226
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 4: got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take

1227
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 4: them down. Or you could just live like me and

1228
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 4: never purchase curtains and just I don't have to have

1229
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 4: the sun your face. What is happening to me right now?

1230
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1231
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to.

1232
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 7: Start a whole interior design thing. And when I James

1233
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 7: interior design, where you hang your curtains.

1234
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, James is effectively squatting in a house that he

1235
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 4: actually rents. You should also move flammable items into the

1236
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 4: middle of the room again, right, that's where the fire

1237
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 4: is not. And then before you go, choose an outfit

1238
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 4: that covers your legs and arms. Right, and you want

1239
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 4: to wear some sturdy shoes as well, something that's comfort,

1240
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 4: something you could potentially sleep in and wear for a

1241
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 4: few days and not be uncomfortable. Shoes that you could

1242
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 4: walk in.

1243
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 6: Right.

1244
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: We saw a lot of people in La weren't able

1245
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 4: to take their vehicles as far as they had expected

1246
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 4: to be able to, and so having a pair of

1247
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 4: shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes

1248
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 4: is definitely a useful thing to have something to think about.

1249
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 4: I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your

1250
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 4: house if you are, best of luck? Yeah, yeah, but

1251
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: you know you can prepare all this stuff now for

1252
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 4: the outside of your house. Flammable stuff that might catch

1253
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: outside your house is best either bought inside inside your

1254
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 4: shed if you have a shed or a garage or something,

1255
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 4: or in a particularly California piece of advice, CalFire suggests

1256
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 4: chucking your path to your furniture in the pool. So

1257
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 4: that is the thing that you can do. That makes

1258
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 4: some sense, it does. Have you seen the picture of

1259
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 4: this lady in the nineties who put all her fine

1260
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 4: china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire.

1261
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 4: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, it's very like of the time,

1262
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 4: like it was a time when people could afford swimming pools. Yeah,

1263
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 4: and also people had china that they cared about, which

1264
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 4: is something that our generation Germany does.

1265
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 7: Not unless they inherited it from their parents, and in

1266
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 7: which case they still also yeah right they have like

1267
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 7: one plate, yeah.

1268
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue with

1269
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 4: people like inheriting china and not want to get in

1270
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 4: and just dumping on good wills. Yeah I believe it. Yeah,

1271
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 4: I can see that. So, yeah, you can put stuff

1272
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 4: in your pool if you don't want it to burn.

1273
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 4: If it is possible for you to do that, you

1274
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: have something you mentioned Margaret about your fence right living

1275
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 4: in a more rural setting.

1276
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, can I actually just kind of like really quickly

1277
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 7: run through some if you yes, fire protecting your house,

1278
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 7: There's two things you're going to do. One is the oh,

1279
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 7: I'm going to run away now version, and then there's

1280
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 7: the ahead of time version. The really quick basic version

1281
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 7: of the ahead of time is that and this is

1282
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 7: more applicable rurally. But you want to have a defensible space.

1283
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 7: You know, everyone's going to give you a different number,

1284
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 7: but like one hundred feet from your house. You don't

1285
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 7: want sleep packed trees, especially conifers, and you're gonna want

1286
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 7: you know, the one tree is okay as long as

1287
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 7: it's a little bit further from the other. You're gonna

1288
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 7: want to clear out yard debris. Even leaving leaves on

1289
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 7: the ground is overall good. You kind of want to

1290
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 7: create this space where there's not a lot of leaf

1291
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 7: litter and things like that directly under your house so

1292
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 7: that the eaves don't catch. You want to make sure

1293
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 7: that you don't keep a lot of flammable stuff there.

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 7: And if like if I was fleeing my house in

1295
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 7: a hurry, I would be pulling all the stuff away

1296
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 7: from under the eaves that I should have pulled away

1297
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 7: from under the eaves months ago. If I were to

1298
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 7: design my house better, there would be a basically a

1299
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 7: three foot like gravel line around the edge of my

1300
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 7: house right of landscaping. But the other things that you're

1301
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 7: going to want to do is you're going to want

1302
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 7: to look for how embers can get in through the

1303
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 7: vents and stuff like in your roof area.

1304
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 4: Or under wherever.

1305
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 7: And you're gonna want to basically make sure and it

1306
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 7: might already have that, but you want to make sure

1307
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 7: that there's tighter than chicken wire. I think it's I

1308
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 7: think you want quarter inch mesh covering those things.

1309
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, like construction netting.

1310
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, well metal, but yeah, it's metals.

1311
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 4: The name of it. Oh okay, it's what they put

1312
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 4: into concrete. I think I use it to build chicken

1313
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, runs for similar reasons. Well, yeah, because raccoon

1314
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 4: hands can't get through it, and raccoons they're bastards as

1315
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 4: it turns out.

1316
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense. If your porch is wooden, you

1317
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 7: have a porch, you don't want fire to get underneath it,

1318
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 7: and so you can keep your wooden porch, but you

1319
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 7: want to screen off underneath of it to keep flaming

1320
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 7: debris from going under there. And then if you have

1321
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 7: a wooden fence, consider having the like first ten feet

1322
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 7: or so of the fence the brick or something like that.

1323
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 7: I can't afford this, but imagine you can. Then you

1324
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 7: would want the first chunk of it to be that way.

1325
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 7: If you have gates, you open them. The deal with

1326
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 7: fences and everything is that you don't want like a

1327
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 7: wick that brings fire to your house. So if the

1328
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 7: forest around you is burning, you don't want it to

1329
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 7: catch your fence and have that go right up to

1330
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 7: under the eaves catch eaves on fire.

1331
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 4: And now I you have a structure fire.

1332
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 7: So what you're gonna do is you open the gates

1333
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 7: if you're leaving. And then, for example, my plan, because

1334
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 7: I have wooden fence that goes all the way up

1335
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 7: to my house, is that if I have more than

1336
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 7: like five minutes to flee a fire, by a half

1337
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 7: an hour to flee a fire, I am taking the

1338
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 7: chainsaw and I am cutting down about ten feet of

1339
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 7: that wooden fence before I leave, and that should dramatically

1340
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 7: increase the chances that my house.

1341
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 4: Will survive a fire. Yeah, smart move.

1342
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 7: And then another thing with the pool thing, And I

1343
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 7: think I've read about but I've never there's no version

1344
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 7: of my life where I'm ever gonna have a pool

1345
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 7: if you live in a fire prone area. They actually

1346
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 7: make pumps that are designed to pump your pool water

1347
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 7: into a fire hose and they have saved a lot

1348
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 7: of rural areas and probably city areas too by having

1349
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 7: that accessible to firefighters. Immediately, your pool can become a

1350
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 7: resource for the people who are coming in to try

1351
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 7: and keep your house intact.

1352
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Amusingly, we use one of those. When I was

1353
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 4: a kid, we had a whole liked to get out,

1354
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 4: and one day she got out. We all went looking

1355
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 4: for Of course, there were some wealthy people who like well,

1356
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 4: they didn't live in the village that we lived in.

1357
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 4: They owned it because Britain has never moved on from

1358
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 4: the Fugal era, and they had a pool and that

1359
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 4: that was where our horse was. And so the fire

1360
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: brigade came and they used one of those things, just

1361
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 4: pumped out the water and just like host down the

1362
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 4: surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and

1363
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 4: we put some different strawbeeres of different sizes, made a

1364
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 4: set of stairs and got her out.

1365
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 7: That's the least relatable story I've ever heard about England.

1366
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,480
Speaker 7: It's just like a rural people living the dream. Yeah

1367
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 7: she was a good horse, misty. Yeah, we had a

1368
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 7: lot of horses that, like, we had access to land

1369
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 7: and not a great deal of finances, so we inherited

1370
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 7: problematic horses. I think for people who had, like who

1371
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 7: had the means to purchase, that.

1372
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 4: Is relatable to the Americans. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1373
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: any people themselves in this situation, I'm sure. Yeah, horse

1374
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 4: poor is a whole thing. Yeah it is. Yeah, yeah,

1375
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 4: it's it's the rich people who buy fancy horses and

1376
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 4: then like find that horse not to their liking and

1377
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 4: can afford to discard a living thing that they spent

1378
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 4: more than a car is worth on.

1379
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 7: Well then also, I mean, horse poor is you have

1380
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 7: a horse, but you don't have any money, and you're like, yeah,

1381
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 7: you're partly poor because you have the horse. Because horses

1382
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 7: are incredibly expensive to ye maintain, Yes they are, that's

1383
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 7: cost a lot. Yeah anyway, so yeah, make sure not

1384
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 7: quite a horse relation. But if you are more of

1385
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 7: a horseless carriage transport person. If you are, this is

1386
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 7: a very American thing. In possession of an electric garage

1387
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 7: door opener, it is a good idea to work out

1388
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 7: how to open your garage without that. Yeah, because you

1389
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 7: don't want to be in a situation where you.

1390
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: Can't use your vehicle because you can't open your garage,

1391
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 4: or you don't want to be dashing around going where's

1392
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 4: the bloody cord? Not the time, Yeah, so work out

1393
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 4: how to do it now. Also, your front gate. Hopefully

1394
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 4: you don't live in a gated community. It's not the

1395
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 4: way to live. But if you do, for whatever reason,

1396
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 4: you know no how to open the gates, or if

1397
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,799
Speaker 4: you have an electric front gate, you'r drive. I suppose

1398
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 4: know how to open that, Margaret, Now will be a

1399
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: good time for us to pause for ads. I wonder

1400
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 4: if we will get an advert for electric garage.

1401
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 7: Doors or electric courses. Oh yeah, maybe do they dream

1402
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 7: of electric care? We'll find out in its advertising break.

1403
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 4: All right, we are back, and now we're continuing on

1404
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 4: the theme of animals because they are our little friends. Yeah,

1405
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 4: so if you have animals inside your house, pets, Oh,

1406
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 4: we have farm animals inside my house growing up, so

1407
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 4: I guess it's not exclusive to pets. We used to

1408
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 4: bring the lambs in when it was cold. Little off

1409
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 4: the lambs. Again, this is turning into like James story.

1410
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 4: That's okay, it's cute stories. People are in possession of

1411
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 4: a range, like like a big cooking if you have

1412
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 4: a very old house in the UK, or again if

1413
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 4: you're rich, you have these like cold burning or oil

1414
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 4: burning ovens, so they stay at a temperature and only

1415
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 4: have a number of doors. The coldest one you can

1416
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 4: put a lamb in there in the winter time and

1417
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 4: you can keep it warm that way, like in a

1418
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 4: live one. Yeah yeah, yeah, well, I mean any of them.

1419
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 4: You can put a dead one and if you felt

1420
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 4: the need, if you look, you're saying okay, yeah, yeaheah no, yeah,

1421
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 4: yeah yeah. If you're looking to take care of your animal,

1422
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 4: you put them in there and keep the More so,

1423
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 4: if you have pets in your house, things to do

1424
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 4: before you evacuate would be make sure they have a

1425
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 4: collar on which has your name and your contact information.

1426
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1427
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs.

1428
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 4: We never had collars and a dog's wearing upcause the

1429
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 4: dogs were always out in the fields and going through

1430
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 4: hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to get

1431
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 4: caught up. Yeah, and so I'm a big fan of those,

1432
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,879
Speaker 4: especially in a situation where your pet's going to be scared.

1433
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 4: You know, God forbid that you'd lose your pet goes

1434
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 4: running for a bit. You don't want them to get

1435
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 4: caught up by that neck. Doesn't probably want to chip

1436
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 4: your dog. Are you chip your pets?

1437
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 3: Yes?

1438
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, now it's a good

1439
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 4: time where you have the time to chip your pets.

1440
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 4: To make sure you have a carrier, make sure you

1441
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 4: have their vaccination records, all that.

1442
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 7: Stuff, and also particularly the particularly rabies vaccination is like

1443
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 7: the thing that you need to make sure that you

1444
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 7: have with you. There's a lot of places you can't

1445
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 7: go with a pet, like Canada unless you have.

1446
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, hopefully you and your pet will be fine.

1447
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 4: You'll come home in a few days. But keeping that

1448
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 4: stuff is important. If you have a cat having a sort,

1449
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 4: you can buy those little mobile litter boxes. If you're

1450
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 4: in danger of having to evacuate, just buy one and

1451
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: check in your vehicle.

1452
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 5: Now.

1453
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 4: Of course, any medications that your pet has right, you'll

1454
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 4: want to have a supply of those and those who

1455
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 4: want to be in your go back. It's also nice

1456
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 4: to have some familiar toys and things that's not like home. Yeah,

1457
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 4: so consider putting them in the carrier now and then

1458
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 4: they'll just be there and you won't have to look

1459
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 4: for them. They have advice if you have to leave

1460
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 4: your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation, to

1461
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 4: be honest.

1462
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that she was in to be in

1463
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 7: charge of an animal's entire life is a pretty solemn vow.

1464
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I would agree, And I don't think I would

1465
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 4: leave them to burn. I think ye, But I.

1466
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 7: Guess there's probably I mean, you see, like for example,

1467
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 7: I know we're gonna talk about livestock in a second,

1468
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 7: but like you know, people have had to like let

1469
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 7: loose some of their horses because they can only personally

1470
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 7: escort so many horses or whatever.

1471
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I

1472
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 4: were in a situation where a stables had more horses

1473
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 4: than it did vehicles. Yeah, and were able to go

1474
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 4: in a vehicle with a towdruck and just help, like

1475
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 4: they would load them up and just be like go

1476
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 4: to the evacuation point with these horses. Yeah, and so

1477
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 4: having a plan for that is good. But yeah, I

1478
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 4: know I struggle becauceive of leaving pets. I grew up

1479
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 4: with dogs and like they were part of my family.

1480
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 7: Yeah. I suppose there's some situation I am not imagining

1481
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 7: where it is literally a necessity, but I struggle to Yeah.

1482
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 4: I heard about people in LA who were forced to

1483
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 4: leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking,

1484
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,480
Speaker 4: just you know, one of the worst things I could imagine.

1485
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 7: Happening, which is literally why I actually think that you're

1486
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 7: a vacuate plans. Not trying to blame those people that

1487
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 7: we're talking about, but I believe that your evacuation plans

1488
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 7: need to include people with disabilities who are in your area,

1489
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 7: not just where you not just in your house, but elsewhere. Like, yeah,

1490
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 7: if you have someone who can only travel by a wheelchair,

1491
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 7: then you should be considering for your only vehicle a

1492
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 7: wheelchair accessible vehicle. Like this is the kind of thing

1493
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 7: that I think that, like plans need to include people

1494
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 7: who are at different levels of ability.

1495
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you have older people in your neighborhood, Yeah,

1496
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 4: people who might not have their cell phone on them

1497
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 4: all the time. They might not get that like beat

1498
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 4: beat buzz buzz. Yeah. If you have like older folks

1499
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 4: who live alone in your neighborhood, you should know that,

1500
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, yeah, a few years ago I helped

1501
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 4: some older neighbors evacuate. Yeah. You live in a community

1502
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: and you need to take responsibility and take care of

1503
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 4: one another. If you have livestock again, like you know,

1504
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 4: I grew up with livestock, I think you're taking responsibility

1505
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 4: for the animal's life, and that includes situations where you

1506
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 4: might have to help that animal escape in a way

1507
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 4: that leg is not necessarily like lucrative for you. Right,

1508
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 4: So that might just mean opening your fences, right, opening

1509
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 4: your gates. If you're not able to evacuate that animal,

1510
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 4: at least giving it a chance you can before. Just

1511
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 4: to avoid having yourself in that situation, you need to

1512
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 4: make transport arrangements. You should be able to look where

1513
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 4: large animals refuges are, like in San Diego in the

1514
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 4: big fires, maybe fifteen years ago, they have them on

1515
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 4: Fiesta Island for a while. Little Island out in the

1516
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 4: bay or del Mar Racecourse is often a place in

1517
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,560
Speaker 4: San Diego where you can take them. You should be

1518
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 4: able to find that now, if you're in Los Angeles,

1519
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 4: you can find that. Now. Again, you're going to want

1520
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 4: to have your essential documentation. You are not going to

1521
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 4: want nylon halters for your livestock. I've seen a lot

1522
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 4: of people have, Like people have nyel on lead ropes

1523
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 4: for horses. We had like more hempy ones when I

1524
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 4: was younger, just because those a much left likely to melt, right,

1525
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 4: So that's why we had them in the UK. But

1526
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 4: we had them because we'd have them for a long time.

1527
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 4: But plastic key things that can melt. You don't want

1528
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 4: to put them around your horse's head or near your horse. Okay,

1529
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 4: that makes some sense. Yeah, if you have chickens right now,

1530
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 4: you're going to run into the issue of AV and flu.

1531
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, which is a further complication. So, like this

1532
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 4: is a scenario of like a big chicken shelter where

1533
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 4: you take them. It is not a good one for

1534
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,839
Speaker 4: AV you and flu reasons also for like chicken dynamics reasons.

1535
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 4: So that means you should make a plan. Now, you

1536
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 4: might have a friend who you're like, hey, I know

1537
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 4: that you're not normally a paltry person, but would it

1538
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 4: be cool in the event of us having to evacuate

1539
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 4: for me and my chickens to come and stay at

1540
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 4: your house. Making a plan now is going to avoid

1541
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,879
Speaker 4: you being in a very difficult situation of either driving

1542
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 4: around with your birds in your in your truck being

1543
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 4: like where the fuck can I go? Or like being

1544
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 4: turned away from places. Right. Yeah, The last thing I

1545
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 4: have here and then we're going to move on to

1546
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: packing your go bag is insurance. My house flooded when

1547
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 4: I was a kid, Like, it completely leveled the first

1548
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 4: floor of the house.

1549
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 7: Everything was gone, which, since it's England, is actually the

1550
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 7: second floor to Americans. Yeah, it's true, it was actually

1551
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 7: the Yeah. I love to uh it's the ground It

1552
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 7: the ground floor. You had to hide on the first thing.

1553
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I love to go into a lift and

1554
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 4: be confused in this country after sixteen years of living here,

1555
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 4: go up and down, up and down, playing this stupid

1556
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 4: game until I google what do American call the flaws?

1557
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 4: And but you can't do it, so you're in the

1558
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 4: lift and your phone doesn't work. It's one of my

1559
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 4: favorite experiences.

1560
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 7: It's because you try to google what do American lifts do?

1561
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 7: And they're like, what the fuck is the lift?

1562
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah yeah, an elevator. Yeah,

1563
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 4: it's not an elevating experience.

1564
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 7: Away my favorite thing to pick James, Yeah, it's true.

1565
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 4: Sure, I'm the only person who does it, I'm sure. Yeah,

1566
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 4: it never happened to me. Yeah, it was never an

1567
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 4: issue when I worked at a building with a lift

1568
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 4: and would routinely miss my own floor so much so

1569
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 4: that I just took the fire escape. So I remember

1570
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 4: it taking months the time I was working in construction,

1571
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 4: and what we were doing was for the most part, pulling

1572
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 4: wet carpet out of people's homes that have flooded. Highly

1573
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 4: recommend not doing that. There's a way to make a

1574
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 4: living if you can. It's not good for the body,

1575
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 4: not good for the soul, for the lungest. Probably cleaning

1576
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 4: out restaurants. Like a month later the power had been

1577
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 4: off for a month. Just going into the walk in,

1578
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I've never seen so many people vomit,

1579
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 4: like one after the other being like no, I could

1580
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 4: do it. I'm a builder straight, Like, yeah, pretty horrific.

1581
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 4: So don't recommend. If you can go around your house

1582
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 4: taking a video of your yeah, stuffs, it will just

1583
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 4: make it easier, Like this happened to my family, and

1584
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 4: like maybe you know the early two thousands, so it

1585
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 4: wasn't possible. Well, I mean I could have got the

1586
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 4: old like Sony handicam out I didn't. So now you

1587
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 4: know you have a video camera in your pocket going

1588
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 4: around your house taking a video especially of you know,

1589
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 4: the things that are expensive and hard to move, you're

1590
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: going to align insurance to replace.

1591
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then this is actually a decent regular prepper

1592
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 7: practice regardless. This isn't a like, oh I'm just about

1593
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 7: to have to run out for a fire. This is

1594
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 7: a like every six months or every year, or every

1595
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 7: time you get a new, weird, expensive thing that you

1596
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 7: put in your house, make this video so that it's

1597
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:11,440
Speaker 7: easier to prove.

1598
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 4: All of the stuff that you had that needs to

1599
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 4: be replaced.

1600
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you do that on a regular basis, there's

1601
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 7: a little bit of like security of like where do

1602
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 7: you put it?

1603
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 4: Do you really want?

1604
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: You know?

1605
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 7: But it's honestly for almost all people probably totally fine

1606
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 7: to just have that.

1607
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 4: Yeah on the clouds. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it.

1608
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 4: Don't put it on Facebook, but you can get to

1609
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 4: direct the insurre. It's going to be your Instagram where

1610
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 4: you post an interior video of your home every month.

1611
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's your thing. I guess join us next

1612
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 7: month for behind the podcasts.

1613
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, podcasts, crips, it's just me in my shed. It's

1614
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 4: me critiquing your interior sign you have. That would be

1615
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 4: a weekly podcast for some time. Shame James, James, Shame

1616
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 4: podcasts la things that I've heard people thinks that you

1617
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 4: will need. If you have a nebulizer of a person

1618
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 4: who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe, those are

1619
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 4: in very high demands. You're probably not going to be

1620
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 4: able to replace it, so bring that with you. If

1621
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 4: you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the little

1622
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 4: orange thing and take those with you. That where you've

1623
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 4: got the RX number and you can easily go to

1624
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 4: a pharmacy and be like, hey, this is my prescription

1625
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 4: for me. It has my name and the RX number.

1626
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 4: Can you issue me an emergency supply? And that's something

1627
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 4: they should be able to do. And also if you

1628
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 4: grab the whole bottle, then you've got you know, hopefully

1629
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 4: a decent supply. Hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only

1630
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 4: lets you go three weeks at a time. Yeah, that's

1631
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 4: that comes up for a lot of people. But I

1632
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 4: will not name any companies because I think it is

1633
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 4: against my contract to do that. I will say that

1634
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 4: if you have like your important documents, right, you're potentially

1635
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 4: your d to your house, if you're in on your car,

1636
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 4: your passport, your birth certificate is a big one. Yeah,

1637
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 4: you're right to be in this country. Yeah, any dream card, visa,

1638
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, especially those in the after Well,

1639
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 4: this will come out in the era of Trump two

1640
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 4: point zero. So those documents are going to be very

1641
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: important for some people. Right, you're darker registration, Put those

1642
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 4: in a file and grab the whole thing, bring it

1643
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 4: with you. Do not rely on scan copies of those,

1644
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 4: especially your immigration documents. If you're a person who has firearms,

1645
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 4: records of the serial numbers of those are going to

1646
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,799
Speaker 4: be useful. And again I would just snap a picture.

1647
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 4: It's not reasonable or sensible to be taking a lot

1648
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 4: of firearms with you in a situation like this. You're

1649
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 4: not going to need them, and there's gonna be a

1650
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 4: lot of places that you won't want to bring them. Yes,

1651
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 4: you know, I would suggest locking them up, and like

1652
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 4: I say, documenting that you've done that, you may have

1653
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 4: to prove at some point that firearm no longer exists,

1654
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 4: and then that's probably the best way to do that.

1655
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 4: And being prepared to travel on foot. Like I said,

1656
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 4: another thing that people have been needing and not having

1657
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: is P one hundred masks. So that's a particle filter

1658
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 4: generally in the three M and I think the Honeywell

1659
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 4: filters they're pink, so I'm talking about like a screw

1660
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 4: in filter here.

1661
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 7: Although they do make P one hundred masks that are

1662
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 7: more like they look more like COVID masks. Yeah, they're

1663
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 7: just a little bit thicker and yeah.

1664
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah they're a little bit more sort of burdens than

1665
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 4: those masks, but that is what you need if you're

1666
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 4: in those situations. Yeah, so if you have one of those,

1667
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 4: I have ones like when I'm when I'm apoxyting wood,

1668
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 4: I have a little half face respirated I wear for that.

1669
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 4: We will actually talk about masks, Margaret after some of

1670
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 4: the products and services support the show have talked about themselves.

1671
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 4: Would be pretty sick of a honey Well. Yeah, yeah,

1672
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 4: they'd be pretty small.

1673
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 5: Yep.

1674
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 4: All right here we go. All right, we're back, thank you, honey.

1675
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 4: Well yeah, keeping us safe here gas.

1676
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 7: Although I'm kind of a three M girl, I gotta admit,

1677
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 7: oh controversial in case I know so. One of the

1678
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 7: things that I did during twenty twenty was a lot

1679
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 7: of testing of protest care. And if you want to see,

1680
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 7: they've written up a whole bunch of pieces about exactly

1681
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 7: everything about masks and body armour and blah blah blah

1682
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 7: blah blah. But in general, when you think about masks,

1683
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 7: there's sort of three levels that actually are matter useful.

1684
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 7: There's the version that we kind of see as a

1685
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 7: COVID mask. There's a version where it's like you you

1686
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 7: wear it around your face and you make sure you

1687
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 7: need to get a rated one and N ninety five

1688
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 7: is better than nothing for smoke, but a P one

1689
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 7: hundred is better. And then there is a half mask respirator.

1690
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 7: Half mask respirators are great. They are probably the sweet

1691
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 7: spot for this. They are less good for pandemics because

1692
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 7: they do not filter the exhale. They are better for

1693
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 7: your daily life because they don't filter the exhale. It's

1694
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 7: much easier to breathe with a half mask respirator than

1695
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 7: a fabric mask, and you can switch out the cartridges

1696
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 7: and unfortunately almost all of them are various proprietary types

1697
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 7: of filters. Yeah, the bayonet mount is the three M style.

1698
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 7: There's a NATO version. If something looks more like a

1699
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 7: gas mask, it's probably the NATO screw on kind. So

1700
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 7: you can get a half mask respirator, or you can

1701
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 7: get a fold face respirator, which is more or less

1702
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 7: what looks like a gas mask, but those coming kind

1703
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 7: of civilian styles that are using the same three M

1704
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 7: brand or Honeywell or whatever cartridges, or you can get

1705
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 7: the more military style that'll have the NATO style screw in.

1706
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 7: The military style is kind of overkill in terms of

1707
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 7: it'll position you oddly socially. Yes, set me a fire, Yeah,

1708
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 7: I think that a thing that is worth everyone having.

1709
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 7: Are these respirators a half mask respirator or depending on

1710
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 7: your life, like if you use them a lot, or

1711
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 7: you're going to be protesting, or I don't know, there's

1712
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 7: a lot of different reasons you might want a full

1713
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 7: face one. They make really cheap knockoff ones that you

1714
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 7: can get imported. Although maybe if you're listening to this

1715
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 7: in the future. You can't get it imported. But they

1716
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 7: work fairly well, they're just not quite as good. I've

1717
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 7: tested a whole bunch of them against various impacts and

1718
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 7: things like that.

1719
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:03,959
Speaker 4: I think that half masks are great.

1720
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 7: I keep a half mask in my truck literally for

1721
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 7: wildfire smoke, because when I'm traveling, if I'm driving out west,

1722
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 7: I've been around wildfire smoke while traveling before. Another thing,

1723
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 7: just really quickly. They make these for dogs as well.

1724
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 7: Oh cool, they're more like COVID mask style, and my

1725
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 7: dog hates it.

1726
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but you could train your dog into

1727
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 4: not hating it. I just haven't.

1728
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 7: I just keep it around to be like, well, if

1729
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 7: it really if we had to sleep in the vehicle

1730
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 7: in a smoky area, my dog would hate it, and

1731
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 7: he would put up with it, you know, and he

1732
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 7: would survive.

1733
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1734
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like masks. Yes, they're great. Yeah, they are good.

1735
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 4: The half face respirator is great. Yeah, that's what I used,

1736
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 4: Like I say, when I'm at poxying, so I don't

1737
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 4: get high because that would be bad. Yeah.

1738
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 7: Oh, and then really quickly about physical stuff like deeds

1739
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 7: and all of that stuff. Yeah, I'm actually kind of

1740
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 7: curious because it's like, I see why it matters the

1741
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,520
Speaker 7: most to have the physical originals m hm for most crises.

1742
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 7: A lot of people talk about how safety deposit boxes

1743
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 7: at banks are kind of the way to go for

1744
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 7: stuff like that you don't need on a regular basis.

1745
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 7: This wouldn't be your proof of documentation necessarily, but it

1746
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 7: might be your like birth certificate, maybe like deeds and

1747
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 7: titles and things at a safe deposit box, because then

1748
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 7: if your house burns down, it's still fine.

1749
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 3: LA.

1750
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 7: Wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right, because

1751
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 7: then you're like, well, what if your bank burns down?

1752
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then.

1753
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 7: If it's not on your property, you can't grab it

1754
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 7: and go. So it's a little bit complicated. I think overall,

1755
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 7: I think that there's a real advantage to keeping stuff

1756
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 7: in a safety deposit box off site. And then also,

1757
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 7: I just want to shout out that fire proof safes

1758
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 7: aren't fireproof.

1759
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, not for the situation and we're talking about here, right.

1760
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 7: They are designed for like your kitchen catches fire or

1761
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 7: your bed catches fire, and your safe is under your bed, yeah.

1762
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 4: And the firefighters come and they get out in fifteen minutes,

1763
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 4: but some stuff gets charred.

1764
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 7: Right when there is a structure fire and a structure

1765
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,959
Speaker 7: is destroyed. Fireproof safes, like all other safes, are generally

1766
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 7: not protecting their contents, and that's not the safe. Fault

1767
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 7: of the fire safe is just they're not designed for that.

1768
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 4: Google the melting point of steel for this and many

1769
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 4: other interesting Internet things that you can learn. Jet fuel

1770
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 4: can't melt fireproof.

1771
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 7: Safe, yeah, which is why they build buildings out of it.

1772
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 7: Oh and one more thing about documents really quick, while

1773
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 7: the original matters, having copies is like better than nothing.

1774
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 7: And also just like scanning and having them on encrypted

1775
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 7: hard like encrypted USB stick, a little USB stick with

1776
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 7: all of your stuff is a really pretty good thing

1777
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 7: to have. It has some advantages too, right, because sometimes

1778
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 7: you don't want the originals of your documents, Like, for example,

1779
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,959
Speaker 7: you probably want a list of all of your bank accounts,

1780
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 7: the bank account numbers, your pins or your credit card numbers,

1781
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 7: like all of that stuff that you really don't want

1782
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,679
Speaker 7: someone else to have, but if you lost you would

1783
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 7: be really sad. You probably want digital encrypted copies.

1784
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 4: Of that available to you.

1785
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1786
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, also your like master passwords and all that terrible

1787
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 7: horrible stuff that's scary to put onto a USB stick.

1788
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why you're putting it then on the internet. Yeah,

1789
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 4: so really quickly, Margaret, it's going to be a long one.

1790
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 4: I guess you and I talked about prepper stuff. It

1791
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 4: went long. Yeah, shocking go bags. We've done our whole

1792
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 4: episode on go bags. If you're new to the show, Hello, welcome.

1793
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 4: You can go back and listen to Margaret and James

1794
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 4: talking about go bags. We'll try and put a link

1795
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 4: in the description here for you. But what is the

1796
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 4: like super fast speed round version of what you want

1797
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 4: to put in your go back?

1798
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 6: Oh?

1799
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 7: Lord, change of socks and underwear, your basic toiletries, like

1800
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 7: the kind of like travel toiletries, because your go back

1801
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 7: is like more like so it's not gonna be a

1802
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 7: long tangent. Your go back is like more likely I

1803
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 7: have to spend the night in my car than like

1804
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 7: I'm starting a new life somewhere out in the planes.

1805
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1806
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 7: And so the small little things like bring deodorant even

1807
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 7: if you don't have deodorant in your daily life, because

1808
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 7: you might be crammed into a place with lots of

1809
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 7: other people.

1810
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 4: I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the La

1811
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 4: Mutual a chat almost every day.

1812
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. So basic

1813
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 7: toiletries and a little bit extra to share. I think

1814
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 7: whether or not you menstrate, you should have tampons, for example,

1815
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 7: in your go bag, and so I think that the

1816
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 7: basic toiletries basic first days, last survival stuff, and then

1817
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 7: like change of clothes, and also like at least one

1818
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 7: or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo switch in

1819
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 7: my go bag. It Skyrim is I need a Skyrim

1820
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:20,879
Speaker 7: box in order to fight anxiety sometimes.

1821
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, you can get those tiny little game boys

1822
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,520
Speaker 4: now which have like it looks like a game boys.

1823
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 7: Every game every game ever. Yeah yeah, I have one

1824
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 7: of those in their two okay sick. Yeah, those would

1825
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 7: be a perfect item for one of those that. Actually

1826
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 7: I had like almost no electricity at the beginning of COVID,

1827
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 7: and so the ability to play the Sega Genesis version

1828
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 7: of Shadow Run from like the nineties was crucial to

1829
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 7: me because I didn't have enough electricity to run a computer.

1830
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, that's fine, and it's probably going to

1831
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 4: be more important to you than half the shit you

1832
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 4: see people online putting in their go backs, like Yeah,

1833
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 4: you don't need a gender affirming hatchet. You will. You

1834
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 4: will have a lot more fun with your tiny game

1835
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 4: boy things that you don't needther I see people. I

1836
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 4: see people houlding a lot of food. Everyone who's evacuated

1837
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 4: in NA having a miserable time. They are eating the

1838
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 4: best they ever have. So many people want to help,

1839
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 4: and food is a way that so many of us

1840
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 4: express affection and careful one another. So many people are

1841
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 4: getting fed right now thanks to the efforts of mutual

1842
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 4: A groups really remarkably doesn't seem to be so much

1843
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 4: by you'd think La, a city on a major fault line,

1844
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 4: would would have some kind of supplies for an earthquake

1845
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,719
Speaker 4: that required feeding lots of people. Seems like it's it's

1846
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 4: more vibes based for the city. But you know, surprise surprises,

1847
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 4: mutual A groups who are feeding people, and they're doing

1848
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 4: that really well. So you don't need to hold a

1849
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 4: lot of food.

1850
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 7: Having a little bit of food, though a little bit

1851
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 7: of shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't

1852
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 7: like as the food that you put in your go bag,

1853
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 7: because if you put in bars that you do like,

1854
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 7: you're going to eat them when you're bored one day, yeah,

1855
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 7: and you don't want to.

1856
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 4: Go to the store. I highly recommend. I say that.

1857
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 7: Literally all of the bars in all my bags have

1858
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 7: been eating yeah the past week. But that's because there's

1859
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 7: been like a winter storm, so I haven't been out

1860
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 7: to the grocery store and I just have been like

1861
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 7: sugarcrevy and so I eat even the gross barers.

1862
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 4: I live in San Diego. I have no hues so

1863
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 4: to do it because I can't be bothered to leave

1864
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 4: my offace and go to my kitchen sometimes.

1865
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, So find the one that you don't like, put

1866
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 7: it in your bag.

1867
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 4: Just have a couple.

1868
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 7: It's not to keep you sustained, it's to keep you

1869
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 7: from being grouchy. Like, don't think of it as like

1870
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 7: I need to put entire meals in my go bag.

1871
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 7: Think of it as like I need enough sugar and

1872
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 7: whatever to keep my headspace right.

1873
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of like to lay them in between

1874
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 4: things I do. Is what I'm camping too. I'll get

1875
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 4: like those little peanut butter packets, yeah, and just like

1876
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 4: just to throw a few in there, and then you're like, oh, yeah,

1877
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 4: you know what, I am being cranky and that means

1878
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 4: you just snuff this and I'm going to be dead

1879
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 4: at Yeah, I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take

1880
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 4: it when I travel a lot as well. It's like

1881
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 4: a comfort food for me. It's filling, it's compact, it's

1882
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 4: not that bad for you.

1883
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 7: When I lived out of a backpack, I kept a

1884
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 7: plastic jar of peanut butter at the bottom of my

1885
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 7: pack always because I knew, no matter what, I had

1886
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:47,799
Speaker 7: at least two days worth of calories in the bottom

1887
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 7: of my bag.

1888
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah,

1889
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 4: put some of that in there. There are things that, like,

1890
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 4: you probably don't need shelter, right, but it might be

1891
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 4: nice to have a little compact blanket, right especial if

1892
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 4: you're going to have to stay. One of those one

1893
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 4: thing or comfort item that I always take, I've taken

1894
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 4: this all over the world is an inflatable pillow. Like

1895
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 4: there are a lot of hardships that I will endure.

1896
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 4: I like to sleep on a pillow, and so I

1897
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 4: take a little inflatable pillow. So it's something that, like,

1898
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 4: you know, you will have comfort items like that that

1899
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 4: are things for you. I'll put those in there. I

1900
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 4: would avoid watching too much go bag content on YouTube

1901
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 4: because you're going to get anxious about the fact that

1902
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 4: you don't have like a folding short barreled rifle. And

1903
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 4: that's because you don't need it. No, what do you need? Like, like,

1904
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 4: I'm sitting next to my bullet proofst that I've used

1905
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 4: before for work. I'm not taking it with me staying here.

1906
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 4: I can spend a lot of money on the plate,

1907
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 4: so I will be claiming those on inssurance. But you

1908
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 4: don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another,

1909
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 4: and so pack with the things that will help you

1910
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 4: be comfortable. And consider that you might be spending a

1911
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 4: while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge,

1912
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 4: or staying with a friend or family memor Yeah, and

1913
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 4: think what would make that more comfortable for you.

1914
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 7: I think that's the really good way to put it.

1915
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 7: It's the get out of town for the weekend bag. Yes,

1916
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 7: not the end of the world bag. I think that

1917
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 7: if you are more rural, you might want some basic

1918
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 7: camping stuff. Yeah, yep, definitely, but the average person probably doesn't.

1919
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 7: I mostly have this at the like there's my go

1920
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Speaker 7: bag and then there's the stuff that's kind of always

1921
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Speaker 7: in my truck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping,

1923
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Speaker 4: so I have my camping stuff in my truck because

1924
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Speaker 4: then it takes me less time to go camping.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and so like, I am almost certainly not bugging

1926
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Speaker 7: out on foot from my house. And if I had to,

1927
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Speaker 7: then I would have to bring a not my go bag,

1928
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Speaker 7: I would have to bring a hiking bag, you know. Yeah,

1929
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Speaker 7: most of the time, if you have access to a

1930
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Speaker 7: car and roads, because you're escaping an emergency, you're getting

1931
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Speaker 7: to somewhere with enough civilization that you have, you can

1932
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Speaker 7: expect some level of shelter and food.

1933
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, but I do. I will say, have some water.

1934
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Speaker 7: Don't go overboard, Like I think that having like a

1935
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 7: little bit of like chemical water filtration and a water

1936
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 7: bottle or a little water filter and a water bottle,

1937
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 7: you know, the reason not.

1938
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Speaker 4: To Yeah, I will say specifically, like get a Soyer squeeze. Yeah,

1939
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 4: tiny filtration is better than most other filters that are

1940
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 4: that size. Get it, put it in your backpack, leave

1941
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 4: it there. They're handy to have. And then yeah, get

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01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 4: a little uh I like to have again, this is

1943
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 4: a little comfort thing. I like to have a stain

1944
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 4: of steel now gene size bottle. It's not made by

1945
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 4: analogy things made by clean canteen. I like it so

1946
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,560
Speaker 4: I could drink water out of it. I like it

1947
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 4: because it's not plastic. And I like it because I

1948
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 4: can use it to heat up water when it's really

1949
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 4: cold and have it like a little hot water bottle

1950
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 4: and snuggle with it. Yeah, so that's a nice thing. Yeah.

1951
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Speaker 7: I use also like a single wall steel canteen so

1952
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 7: that you can heat water in it. If you get

1953
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 7: the double wall ones, then you can't heat them over

1954
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 7: the fire because they're you know, vacuum insulated or whatever.

1955
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 7: But then other people I know are like, well they

1956
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 7: want the ability to have like and their insulated deep bottles.

1957
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you do you So, I.

1958
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 7: Will also say battery packs for phones is a big one. Again,

1959
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 7: you're less likely to need to hunt squirrels with axes,

1960
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 7: and you're more likely need to keep your phone charged

1961
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 7: and other people's phones charged.

1962
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Speaker 4: One of those little hydra charging cables which breaks one.

1963
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1964
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 4: get get one of those, get a little wall water

1965
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 4: and keep it in there. So you can turn a

1966
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 4: wall socket into a USB socket if you need that

1967
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 4: to charge your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy

1968
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 4: and lots of situations is I like to run a lot,

1969
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 4: and sometimes you're doing ultramarathon. When you get to the

1970
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 4: aid station, they just have like big things of water, right,

1971
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 4: and you fill up your little water bottles you're carrying

1972
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 4: in your vest, and lots of people have these tiny

1973
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 4: collapsible cups that are made of like a thin rubber.

1974
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 4: They're made of the stuff that camel back bladders are

1975
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 4: made of. And then they can fill up that cup

1976
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 4: and they can drink from it, and they just keep

1977
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 4: it attached to their vest, right, and then off they

1978
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 4: go running along. Oh interesting. These are very useful and

1979
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 4: I've started incorporating them in lots of my travel and like, yeah,

1980
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 4: emergency supplies because if you're in a place where people

1981
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 4: don't have cups, right that they have big things water,

1982
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 4: Now you have a vessel from which to drink. So

1983
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 4: those are surprisingly handy. Yeah. I also keep one of those.

1984
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's the same one you're talking

1985
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 7: about it, but it like collapses up almost like forty

1986
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 7: and style.

1987
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like the camping ones, but even

1988
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 4: it's way lighter than those.

1989
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 7: Ah okay, I have the camping style one and I

1990
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 7: keep it in there as a like emergency dog bowl.

1991
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 4: Yes I know. Yeah, those are great for that too,

1992
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 4: and you can drink hot things out of them, which

1993
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 4: is nice. Yeah.

1994
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 7: And another thing that I keep in my go bag

1995
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 7: is I keep the meds that my dog is on,

1996
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 7: and I keep some of the meds that I take

1997
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 7: in there. And you know, it's like, my dog only

1998
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 7: gets the meds once a month, So I go to

1999
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 7: my bag and I pull out the meds and I

2000
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 7: give them to my dog from my bag, because why not.

2001
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 7: And if you have, you know, other people, whether they're

2002
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 7: not fully grown yet or are that you also take

2003
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 7: care of, you know, you need to make sure you

2004
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 7: have a little bit of their stuff in there.

2005
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 4: Like like you keep a dog toy in your go bag.

2006
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2007
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have a child, keep a child toy.

2008
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 4: If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product

2009
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 4: called freo Io. They're not paying me. I've never got

2010
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 4: one for free. But you dip it in water and

2011
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 4: it uses evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold. I

2012
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 4: have used them. Oh, they are very handy. They don't

2013
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 4: rely on electricity. It's very nice. So yeah, if that's

2014
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:17,719
Speaker 4: something that you need, then then then that is hopefully

2015
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 4: something useful to you. My last thing would be a

2016
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 4: little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better a

2017
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 4: headlamp like a head torch, because lots of places in

2018
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 4: La lost power, right, and if you're having to go

2019
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 4: places at night, it's much easier if you can see

2020
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,759
Speaker 4: where you're going. Yeah, they're not expensive, they're great gifts.

2021
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 4: Bring a few, give them to friends, make new friends.

2022
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 4: Hopefully this has repared you. The last thing, of course,

2023
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 4: Margaret is a gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it.

2024
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 7: Oh, I forgot to mention that, Yeah, you need trade.

2025
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 7: Rather than having a system of mutual aid, which we

2026
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 7: naturally do. Instead, we should interject a complicated barter system,

2027
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 7: ideally on the gold Standard, in.

2028
01:48:55,200 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 4: Which shiny metal replaces our naturally instinct to help one another. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

2029
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 4: that's how it's been. That's that's humans famously, notice species.

2030
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 4: Just bring a copy of Debt by David Graeber and

2031
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 4: your Yeah, yeah, bring at the shrugs and then as

2032
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 4: you pass the fires. Just start ripping that shit off,

2033
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 4: throwing it in there, let it burn.

2034
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 7: Having a paperback book if you like that, it's not

2035
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 7: weight efficient, but you know what, like.

2036
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 4: That's how you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bring the Dawn

2037
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 4: of Everything by David Graeber. That'll that'll occupy you through

2038
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 4: most natural disasters. It's a it's a thick book. It

2039
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 4: is if you can't reach something very handy. Stand on that.

2040
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 4: He really thought he did us one final solid RP.

2041
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 4: David Graeber. Yeah, and and and on rip to David

2042
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 4: Wengro is a lot. Yes, yeah, yeah, shout out to

2043
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 4: David Wegro the other David, the less venerated David who

2044
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 4: also wrote that book.

2045
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 7: I always feel bad when I just talk about Gramer

2046
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 7: stuff and the I talk about Thought of Everything, and

2047
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 7: then I don't talk about the other David.

2048
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sometimes I'll just say the David's and then people

2049
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 4: will look at me and yeah, totally the level. But

2050
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, yeah, when I'm pick to Margaret, I

2051
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 4: can say that David's. She knows which David's. I mean,

2052
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:10,440
Speaker 4: that's why we're friends. Yeah.

2053
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 7: Well, anyway, yeah, it's gonna be okay, or it's not

2054
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 7: but you know what, you weren't going to survive being

2055
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 7: alive anyway. And keep your car half full of gas,

2056
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 7: like when you're on your way home, and make sure

2057
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 7: that you fill up if it's less than halfway full.

2058
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 4: Plug your electric car in. Don't don't skip plugging your

2059
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 4: little electric car in at night. Yeah, because the night

2060
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 4: that you do is you know that you need it,

2061
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 4: So you do the little things. Take care of one another.

2062
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2063
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to It Could Happen Here, a show

2064
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: where it's now happening here. A thing that we've said

2065
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 1: in a joking way a number of times, but now

2066
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 1: it just is. This is, you know, a podcast. We're

2067
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: having a good time. I'm Robert Garrison Davis, my co

2068
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: host colleague, and today we're talking about Trump's inauguration with

2069
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: a good friend of ours who was present at the

2070
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:24,520
Speaker 1: thing itself, Bridget Todd. Bridget, welcome to the program.

2071
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 9: Thank you for having me. It's actually my first time

2072
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 9: on It Can Happen Here. I'm like a little like nervous.

2073
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 5: I hope it goes well.

2074
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an og guest over on Bastard, so it's

2075
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: about time we had you on here. How you feeling

2076
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 1: bridget just in general before we get into the specifics,

2077
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 1: how are you doing in the first full day of

2078
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 1: this new era?

2079
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

2080
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 5: Not great, Bob, not great?

2081
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: Not great? Not great?

2082
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, bad.

2083
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 9: Like we were talking off Mike, like, I need to

2084
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 9: figure out a self care plan, And part of this

2085
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 9: is on me that I feel like I am one

2086
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 9: of those people that has kind.

2087
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 5: Of checked out a little bit, and I'm like, ough,

2088
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 5: who I am.

2089
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,599
Speaker 9: I got a take a step back from this, and

2090
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 9: now that I'm taking a step back in, I'm like,

2091
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 9: I need a plan for how I'm going to pace

2092
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 9: myself and not lose my fucking shit every fucking day.

2093
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not for the best that Like, right

2094
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 1: at the same time as this has all happened, the

2095
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 1: people who make gas station drugs have figured out how

2096
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: to take the chemicals and kretom, which you know, in

2097
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:22,639
Speaker 1: leaf forms is generally safe drug, and hyper concentrate them

2098
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: into basically fucking heroin. So I'm just working on staying

2099
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: away from that shit too much of the news, you know,

2100
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: that's the way you gotta do it.

2101
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 9: I'm also doing dry January and trying to eat healthy.

2102
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 4: That's tough.

2103
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.

2104
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 9: So I have no outlets. I can't drink, I don't

2105
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,640
Speaker 9: do drugs. I'm fucking eating lentil soup every night. I

2106
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 9: got nothing. There's nothing I can.

2107
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 5: Do to cope.

2108
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm keeping myself, okay, have by just eating venison every

2109
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: single day.

2110
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 10: But yeah, I'm carrying on our Vegas tradition and I've

2111
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 10: moved into gambling.

2112
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 6: Hie.

2113
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: Oh you're gambling now, huh.

2114
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 10: Not actually, but instead of doing something stupid for inauguration Day,

2115
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 10: me and my friends got together and all played anarchist poker,

2116
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 10: So that was that was fun. I lost about ten

2117
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 10: dollars to my friends, So that's it.

2118
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 4: That's fair.

2119
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: How often did you say I hardly know it?

2120
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:16,839
Speaker 4: Like about about four times.

2121
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the right amount of fact.

2122
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 10: But we also got quite drunk by the time we

2123
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 10: started our second game. I was also dressed like Data

2124
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 10: from the next generation, complete with silver face paint the

2125
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 10: entire time and a poker visor. So that was that

2126
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 10: was how I spent yesterday.

2127
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got to experience the hell that that

2128
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 1: actor experience. Bridget Let's talk about the inauguration. Let's do

2129
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: it all right, So I kind of coming in firsthand,

2130
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: when did you sort of lock down your plans to

2131
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: actually be there.

2132
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,759
Speaker 5: So initially my plan was to get out of town totally.

2133
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to go out town.

2134
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna hide it on the mountains with a

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Speaker 1: rifle like that.

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Speaker 9: You're joking, but like almost no, no, no, I'm not joking,

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Speaker 9: And I mean I was in So I live in

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Speaker 9: d C, the DC most of my life. I was

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Speaker 9: in DC in my apartment when January sixth happened, and

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01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 9: I remember being so scared. There was a curfew in DC,

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01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 9: like it just shit got really real really quickly. I

2142
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 9: remember I was on an all staff like the beginning

2143
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 9: of the year planning work call, and somebody just on

2144
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 9: the zoom was like, hey, something's happening and everybody who

2145
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 9: lives in DC should maybe check the TV, and then

2146
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 9: the line went dead.

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Speaker 5: That's what I remember the most.

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Speaker 9: So I was planning on getting out of town, and

2149
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 9: then I thought, fuck it, why should these people drive

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01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 9: me out of my own city.

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01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 5: I want to be out on the streets. I want

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01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 5: to be out in my community.

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Speaker 9: I want to be connected, and so yeah, I went

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01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 9: out to the People's March protest. I went out as

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01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 9: far as I could to inauguration downtown just to get

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01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 9: a sense of what the vibes were.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's let's get into the vibes.

2158
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: How were they?

2159
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 5: Weird as hell?

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01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 9: This is something that I think people might not really

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01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 9: think about a lot. So like being from DC, living

2162
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 9: her most of my life, people really obviously think of

2163
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 9: it as like a seat of national power, and they

2164
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 9: sometimes forget that there are over six hundred thousand DC

2165
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 9: residents who just like live here, work here, have their

2166
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 9: lives here, and so this stuff all plays out like

2167
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 9: practically in our backyards. While arguably we have less electoral

2168
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 9: political power and.

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01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 5: Less agency in some ways because DC is not a state.

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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, Our congressional representative Eleanor Holmes Norton, she

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01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 9: can like vote in committees and introduce legislation and stuff

2172
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 9: like that, but she can't vote, and so all of

2173
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:45,879
Speaker 9: this matters for It's dude, don't even get me started.

2174
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 9: Like I could talk about statehood all day long.

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01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 1: That's like such a funny, shitty compromise, Like you can.

2176
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 1: You could be there and like talk, but you can't

2177
01:55:54,360 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 1: do anything like you I'm sorry, that's just so fucked up.

2178
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 9: It is, and it's like, I mean, like, there are

2179
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 9: so many reasons why it sucks that DC's not a state,

2180
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 9: but ultimately.

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01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 5: It's like, we deserve to have political power. We deserve

2182
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:11,919
Speaker 5: to have a say why Yoming?

2183
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 4: Have you ever fucking been to?

2184
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 3: Why?

2185
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 8: Good?

2186
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: God?

2187
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 4: Like?

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01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 9: And I mean I could talk all day when Republican

2189
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 9: lawmakers get on TV, and I remember they would shit

2190
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 9: on DC by saying things like there's not even laggers

2191
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 9: who live there, it's not even a real place, like

2192
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 9: as if the only way to actually meaningfully exist in

2193
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 9: the United States, it's like you have to have laggers

2194
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 9: who live there, Like it's so infuriating.

2195
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: And none of those motherfuckers know a lagger I know.

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Speaker 9: So all of this background really matters to Trump's kind

2197
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 9: of tense relationship with DC, like the district. Trump, as

2198
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 9: y'all might remember, spent quite a lot of time just

2199
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 9: talking straight shit about the district and announcing these like

2200
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 9: big plans to takeover DC. The background is a little

2201
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 9: bit complicated, but the quick and dirty version is that

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01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 9: DC has what's called home rule. So that's like the

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01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 9: ability for DC to govern, like for our local government

2204
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 9: and leaders to like make decisions about what happens to

2205
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 9: the district, and on the campaign trail, Trump was saying

2206
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 9: he wants to change this, that DC's home rule would

2207
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 9: be revoked and that the federal government, basically him, would

2208
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 9: dictate how DC is run as a city. Because DC

2209
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 9: is not a state, technically, any president could have that

2210
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 9: authority to interfere with how DC is run, so right, Yeah,

2211
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 9: any president could like take over the police department and

2212
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 9: take over the powers are mayor Muriel Bowser currently has

2213
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 9: over the city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess, first off, like of your friends,

2215
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 1: how many folks kind of made the same call, Like

2216
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,560
Speaker 1: what was the general decision? Because I'm looking at like

2217
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: footage of proud boys marching through fucking d C again

2218
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 1: for the first time in almost half a decade, and like, yeah,

2219
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: where are the people you know on this kind of stuff?

2220
01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 5: I mean this in the most literal sense, No, nobody zero.

2221
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 9: I was out there fly in solo and I had

2222
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 9: multiple friends and be like, you're crazy to go down there,

2223
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 9: like like everybody.

2224
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess that's something else.

2225
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 9: That I wanted to talk a bit about, which is that,

2226
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 9: you know, the first time around. During Trump's inauguration I

2227
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 9: was like out on the streets. I was like it

2228
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 9: sounds so silly now, but like, ugh, I mean almost

2229
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 9: only want to get into it. But the idea of

2230
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 9: like resist that had not yet become a cliche to me,

2231
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 9: and in the you know, aftermath of Trump's first election,

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01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 9: I was really clinging to that for like whatever hope

2233
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 9: or power. I didn't know it was going to turn

2234
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,200
Speaker 9: out to be like a bunch of grifters and like

2235
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 9: people saying like hashtag resist and like meeting nothing yea,

2236
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 9: at the time, I really clung to that. This time

2237
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 9: around total night and day difference, like yeah, and I

2238
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 9: think the mood on the street I think reflected that

2239
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 9: I think that DC is exhausted. The people that generally

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Speaker 9: I know who are like radicals who would be out

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01:58:59,160 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 9: on the street.

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01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 5: One of those people were like, We're sitting this one out.

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01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah.

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01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 9: That was like a refrain I hear from a lot

2245
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 9: of black and brown organizing folks here in DC, like

2246
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 9: this is not our fight.

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01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 5: We are sitting this one out.

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01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,400
Speaker 9: And I don't blame anybody, right, Like it's a lot,

2249
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 9: We've all been through a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I guess if I could get across

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01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:21,200
Speaker 1: something and people listen, it would be like, don't just

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01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 1: show up because they are right now. They have the cops,

2253
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 1: they have the courts. If they want you to show

2254
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: up in the street, the best thing to do. Sometimes

2255
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say this is going to be

2256
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,120
Speaker 1: consistently the case, but it is like, don't give them

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01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: what they want, don't be where they want you to be,

2258
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: don't make it simple for them. You know. Again, I

2259
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: keep trying to say and I'm not saying this, and

2260
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: like I'm so smart, I know what everyone needs to

2261
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 1: be doing. I don't. But it's like, not what we

2262
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: did last time, because that that just didn't didn't do

2263
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 1: it exactly, didn't do it all, didn't not get out

2264
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 1: of the park.

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Speaker 5: Was the home run last time Trump was in office.

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Speaker 9: Y'all remember like the Women's March and pussy hats and

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02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 9: all of that. I actually staffed the Women's March that

2268
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,360
Speaker 9: time around. I was one of the digital street team folks.

2269
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:13,640
Speaker 9: So I was like very invested. This time around, they

2270
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 9: changed the name, they rebranded to the People's March, and

2271
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 9: they only had a couple of thousand people out there,

2272
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 9: and so, you know, I think it really goes back

2273
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 9: to what you were saying, Robert.

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Speaker 5: Personally, I have a hard.

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Speaker 9: Time with the idea that what we did then is

2276
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 9: what we should be doing now that that that playbook

2277
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 9: is still going to work. And frankly, like sixty nine

2278
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 9: percent of white women voted for Trump, right, and so

2279
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,960
Speaker 9: like the idea that I would feel safe and feel

2280
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,760
Speaker 9: solidarity with a bunch of women out on the streets

2281
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 9: like being like boo Trump. It's just like, it's I

2282
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 9: understand why the turnout was so low, because I feel

2283
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 9: like solidarity march on the street is clearly not where

2284
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 9: we're at.

2285
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 5: So that is not how we should be meeting this moment.

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02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 10: Well, and even last Jay twenty there was like, you know,

2287
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 10: a large, large radical contingent, and those people are similarly

2288
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 10: sitting out, and you're looking towards the next few months,

2289
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 10: looking at like what kind of ice raids are going

2290
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 10: to happen, looking at what's going to happen for like

2291
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 10: reproductive healthcare, transgender healthcare. People are making the calculation that

2292
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:18,839
Speaker 10: it does not make sense to like needlessly throw yourself

2293
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 10: against the walls of the state when we can stick

2294
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:25,839
Speaker 10: together and see and see what happens, and prepare for

2295
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 10: all of those other things that are going to actually

2296
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:30,720
Speaker 10: impact you and people that that you know, like seriously,

2297
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,600
Speaker 10: and it sucks to be stuck in that reactive position.

2298
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:38,400
Speaker 10: And there's things you can do proactively, but going outside

2299
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 10: and yelling in front of a fence probably isn't going

2300
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 10: to do any of those things. It's probably not going

2301
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:45,320
Speaker 10: to help the people who are going to need help

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Speaker 10: in the next few weeks. Yeah, and people are understanding that,

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02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 10: and it's leading to people reacting quite differently than than

2304
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 10: what they did, you know, eight years ago.

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Speaker 9: I agree, Yeah, I mean, Garrison, you really said it.

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Speaker 9: And in this moment personally, I am really wondering, like

2307
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:05,160
Speaker 9: what my role is, Like where could I fit in?

2308
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 9: There was a time where you know, just being out

2309
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 9: on the street yelling, like being so frustrated I have

2310
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 9: to take to the streets and scream in impotent rage.

2311
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 9: That would feel like something. And I just think in

2312
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, I have to figure out like what

2313
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 9: it is I can contribute and contribute that and I

2314
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:24,640
Speaker 9: don't know that it's protest as it used to be.

2315
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 9: Like I used to be somebody who like protest was

2316
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 9: my thing, Like you know, I really got my start

2317
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:31,920
Speaker 9: in the anti war movement when I was in college,

2318
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 9: and like that felt like something. I don't think that

2319
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 9: that's what it is for me anymore. Maybe it's just

2320
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 9: age too, you age out of it or something.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I think some of it is that, like the

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02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 1: only meaningful definition of intelligence really is the ability to

2323
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:51,440
Speaker 1: adapt to changing circumstances. And when the circumstances change in

2324
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 1: the way that they have and you're like, well, time

2325
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 1: to do exactly what we tried in twenty seventeen. That

2326
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: is not intelligent, right, Like, I'm not trying to be mean,

2327
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying I know what the smart

2328
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 1: thing is, but it is we gotta be pivoting. We

2329
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 1: gotta pivot in a lot of different directions right now.

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02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 9: So yes, and I don't know that I see some

2331
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 9: of the institutional powers that be, even people who are

2332
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:18,760
Speaker 9: like ostensibly like on our side, doing that pivot, right, Like,

2333
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:22,560
Speaker 9: I'm very much in this sort of like nonprofit industrial complex.

2334
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:24,880
Speaker 9: All the organizations who were like, oh, well, where should

2335
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 9: we be putting our money and this and that the

2336
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 9: first time around, I just see them doing the same

2337
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:29,480
Speaker 9: old thing.

2338
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 5: And it's like, I don't know that that is what's

2339
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:32,640
Speaker 5: going to save us.

2340
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 9: And like, don't get me started on how useless the

2341
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 9: Democrats are, because they'll go all day. But like when

2342
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 9: Trump announced that he was moving the inauguration inside, they

2343
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 9: printed little jokey shirts that said snowflake. I'm just so

2344
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:47,720
Speaker 9: sick of that, like that sort of like sneering, dunking,

2345
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 9: useless stuff that doesn't translate to meaningful action. I'm just

2346
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 9: so sick of it. I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

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02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,960
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, I mean that's what's in part what lost

2348
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Speaker 10: of the election is that is that general attitude and

2349
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Speaker 10: that conception of them throughout the country. And yeah, getting

2350
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 10: your little like snide remarks during Haig's est confirmation hearing

2351
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 10: might make you feel good and might generate a good

2352
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 10: clip for social media, but is that actually going to

2353
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 10: stop him from getting into the cabinet position.

2354
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 1: I've had so many arguments about this with people over

2355
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 1: the last few days who still insist that, like what

2356
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,000
Speaker 1: the fascists can't stand you making fun of them. That's

2357
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 1: what they hate is you laughing at them. And like,

2358
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: I think there was a stage at which that was

2359
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,720
Speaker 1: a valid tactic, and you know, there may be elements

2360
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 1: of that in the future, but like, no, they don't care.

2361
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 1: They're winning. I'm not saying like, don't fucking make jokes

2362
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 1: with your friends to like keep your stell self sane.

2363
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't mistake dunking on them on social media

2364
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 1: for doing anything that matters, because it doesn't.

2365
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Speaker 9: Well, okay, I'm not even sure, Like I have so

2366
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 9: much to say about this. So I have been saying

2367
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 9: this for a very long time. And you know, we

2368
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 9: were all at the Democratic National Convention. I I didn'mit

2369
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 9: that I was there as an influencer, But the thing

2370
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:06,640
Speaker 9: that annoyed me so much was like that exact sentiment,

2371
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 9: and that exact sentiment fucking lost. The thing that the

2372
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 9: thing that pisses me off now is the complete unwillingness

2373
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 9: to be like, where did we go wrong? Maybe the

2374
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:19,720
Speaker 9: memes and the jokes and the calling them weird and

2375
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 9: then this and that that. Maybe it felt good in

2376
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:24,320
Speaker 9: the moment, but it actually didn't translate what happened.

2377
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:26,840
Speaker 5: Unwilling to do that, completely unwilling.

2378
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 1: Now, you know, you see, I would almost argue that,

2379
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,680
Speaker 1: like the weird stuff, I think if they'd stuck with it,

2380
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: there was something there. I think the I think the

2381
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 1: the emphasizing how outside of like the American norm these

2382
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,280
Speaker 1: guys were and like what we want to accept in

2383
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 1: our communities, Like there was something there, but they didn't

2384
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 1: stick to it. You know. The next big time we

2385
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 1: saw Tim Walls, he was talking about how how he

2386
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be friends with Jade Vance on the fucking

2387
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,000
Speaker 1: debates Stitch. Yeah, you know, But also I think that's

2388
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,040
Speaker 1: a little different than just like calling him fucking Orange

2389
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 1: Mussolini or whatever the fuck. Like, I think there's a

2390
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 1: point in a messaging tactic. It's like Trump gets mileage

2391
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 1: out of the names he uses and the way in

2392
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 1: which that's part of how he got where he is.

2393
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:12,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that aspects of these tactics can't

2394
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:13,840
Speaker 1: be used. Well, I'm talking about the way in which

2395
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 1: people liberals and folks on the left are continuing to

2396
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: do the fucking like drump shit that's not getting us anywhere.

2397
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,920
Speaker 9: I could not agree more. And yeah, I mean I agree.

2398
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 9: I think the weird stuff could have like had legs.

2399
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,800
Speaker 9: I think that they were kind of like scattershot at

2400
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,400
Speaker 9: that point, and they were like, let's tell people seem

2401
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 9: to like this let's lean into this, Oh, this new thing,

2402
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 9: let's lean into that.

2403
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2404
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 5: The thing that I remember.

2405
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 9: Very clearly was when Tim Walls was talking about how,

2406
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 9: oh we have a saying in Minnesota it's mind your

2407
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:43,000
Speaker 9: own damn business.

2408
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:44,480
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, so like.

2409
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,720
Speaker 9: My partner is from Minnesota, and he was like, oh,

2410
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 9: that is like absolutely a Minnesotan thing.

2411
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 5: Mind your own damn business.

2412
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can sell that.

2413
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I agree.

2414
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:58,840
Speaker 9: But yeah, the like calling elon Elmo, like all these

2415
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:02,080
Speaker 9: little cutesy things might feel good and like get to

2416
02:07:02,120 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 9: a hit of dopamine and get you a few you know,

2417
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 9: likes on whatever, but it's just it's not gonna save us.

2418
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 5: And I'm so sick of it.

2419
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,680
Speaker 9: I feel like, in some ways it's all anyone has

2420
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:13,200
Speaker 9: to offer right now, and I'm sick of it.

2421
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 10: One of the interesting things when like looking back at

2422
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 10: the last version of Trump's Jay twenties, you did have

2423
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 10: you know, these large, large militant groups you know what

2424
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 10: would later probably be dubbed Antifa by the media, but

2425
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,600
Speaker 10: there was there was a presence in the street, and

2426
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 10: this time around, really the only sizeable militant presence in

2427
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 10: the street was like the first return of the Proud Voice.

2428
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:51,800
Speaker 10: Did you stumble across a gaggle of black and yellow

2429
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:53,840
Speaker 10: clad militants in the streets?

2430
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 5: Not a gaggle, I saw one, lone one. I'm sure.

2431
02:07:58,240 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 5: It was like I've lost my groom.

2432
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:02,520
Speaker 1: Like a little duck. I had to help a baby

2433
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 1: duck get back to its mom last year. It was

2434
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 1: just like that, right down to the IQ.

2435
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 10: I have some friends right now who are in the

2436
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 10: DC airport and it is chud central over there.

2437
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 4: It sounds quite bad.

2438
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:21,200
Speaker 10: I I saw a friend posted about like all of

2439
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:24,040
Speaker 10: the Trump merchant Uh. They were sitting next to two

2440
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 10: individuals debating race science in the airport terminal. So that

2441
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 10: is the vibes of the DC Airport as of as

2442
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:35,040
Speaker 10: of Tuesday, the day after the inauguration. But yeah, like

2443
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:37,320
Speaker 10: the return of the Proud Boys is like one one

2444
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 10: of the big things that I think we're gonna we're

2445
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:41,880
Speaker 10: gonna see these next few weeks is the amount of

2446
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:45,000
Speaker 10: all right militias or these you know, more like street

2447
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 10: gang type groups who've been so emboldened by by Trump

2448
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 10: essentially giving them permission to do whatever they want to

2449
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:53,320
Speaker 10: now now that they know that they're not going to

2450
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:56,520
Speaker 10: face any kind of like real legal repercussions for you know,

2451
02:08:56,680 --> 02:09:00,280
Speaker 10: carrying out whatever actions they want to against people of color,

2452
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:01,400
Speaker 10: queer people, et cetera.

2453
02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:04,400
Speaker 1: And that's going to be interesting to see. Like this

2454
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 1: is certainly a sign that suggests some embrace, but I'm

2455
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of wondering if we're looking back to the Nazis

2456
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 1: the Ogs. What the Nazis did was marginalize and actually

2457
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:18,560
Speaker 1: purge a lot of these guys fairly quickly, because the

2458
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:20,960
Speaker 1: folks that were the best at like rabble rousing and

2459
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 1: fighting in the streets were also kind of like the

2460
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:27,760
Speaker 1: least reliable at helping to keep a stable system in

2461
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:30,480
Speaker 1: the city. Right Like, after the Nazis took power, one

2462
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 1: of the big issues they had is like, we still

2463
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who are kind of like

2464
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 1: in the middle, including most of the military, and one

2465
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 1: of the things that keeps scaring them is all these

2466
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 1: fucking goons running about. And we still want what the

2467
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 1: goons are doing, which is like certain people beaten and

2468
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:47,520
Speaker 1: thrown in camps, but we don't want the goons doing it.

2469
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:49,960
Speaker 1: We want the cops doing it. And I guess kind

2470
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:53,919
Speaker 1: of we're all waiting to see how different or similar

2471
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 1: what comes next looks to that.

2472
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 9: And I mean, what do you make of Like, I

2473
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:01,680
Speaker 9: guess I knew it was, but when all those J

2474
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:05,520
Speaker 9: six booms got pardoned and so like you have like

2475
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 9: the leader of the Oath Keepers, the leader of the

2476
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 9: Proud Boys getting released from DC jail, Like, what do

2477
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 9: you make of that?

2478
02:10:12,240 --> 02:10:14,920
Speaker 1: There's two things. Number One, this is something that he

2479
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:17,360
Speaker 1: had campaigned on. It's something that there was a lot

2480
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 1: of support from his base for, you know, like the

2481
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:24,240
Speaker 1: fact that in order to kind of protect himself he

2482
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:27,040
Speaker 1: had to really heavily embrace the idea that nothing bad

2483
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,960
Speaker 1: happened on January sixth, then if it did, it was

2484
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,200
Speaker 1: the fault of you know, the mean old Biden cops,

2485
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,200
Speaker 1: and so he kind of had to do it. The

2486
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:39,400
Speaker 1: degree to which he shows up and is close or

2487
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:44,120
Speaker 1: actually directly embraces Proud Boys and guys like Tario is

2488
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 1: going to tell us a lot. And I think we'll

2489
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:48,560
Speaker 1: be seeing that very soon. If they are kept at

2490
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:51,200
Speaker 1: arm's length and kind of letting them out is all

2491
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:54,800
Speaker 1: they do, then I don't know how much we're going

2492
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,560
Speaker 1: to see of these guys. If there's a real embrace

2493
02:10:58,600 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 1: and an attempt to use them as a way to

2494
02:11:01,160 --> 02:11:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of extra legally deal with his enemies. Then I

2495
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:07,320
Speaker 1: think we start seeing them really make inroads and pushes

2496
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:10,200
Speaker 1: in places like Portland, trying to get people out so

2497
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 1: that they can do violence to them and then you know,

2498
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:15,520
Speaker 1: get pardoned or just have the violence ignored and the

2499
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: other people get thrown into prison. And I don't really

2500
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:20,920
Speaker 1: know which way I think that the state is landing

2501
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 1: right now, which is not to say, like I think

2502
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:25,600
Speaker 1: one is clearly less violent than the other, because his

2503
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:27,920
Speaker 1: other option is he's going to be having his FEDS

2504
02:11:27,960 --> 02:11:28,840
Speaker 1: do that kind of shit.

2505
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 9: I think that's where a lot of my anxiety comes from,

2506
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,160
Speaker 9: the not knowing of like it could go this way

2507
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 9: or that way. Both are bad, but what flavor are

2508
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:39,280
Speaker 9: we going to get? Like, That's the thing that is

2509
02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 9: really getting to me right now.

2510
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, do you want to talk about what the probaboys

2511
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 10: were actually like up to on Monday?

2512
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:46,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, So, as you said, this was the first time

2513
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:50,520
Speaker 9: that they in mass came to DC since January six,

2514
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:53,560
Speaker 9: And they marched through the streets of DC holding a

2515
02:11:53,600 --> 02:11:57,440
Speaker 9: banner that said congratulations President Trump, and they chanted who

2516
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:01,040
Speaker 9: streets our streets, which, by the way, that is such

2517
02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:03,760
Speaker 9: like again as someone who kind of like came up

2518
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:06,720
Speaker 9: on like street protest. Yeah, y'all are doing the chant

2519
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:08,480
Speaker 9: all late, Like I hate that.

2520
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 10: I mean, the situation is continued to be proven correct.

2521
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:15,600
Speaker 10: The levels of recuperation for even like you're like diametrically

2522
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 10: opposed like militant enemy side is just fucking crazy.

2523
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:20,160
Speaker 5: Yes.

2524
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,320
Speaker 9: And I saw this, I mean, speaking of J six

2525
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 9: rioters who were all, you know, pardoned, I saw this

2526
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 9: video that really kind of broke my heart. It was

2527
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 9: a video that some maga dipshit took outside of the

2528
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:35,560
Speaker 9: jail where all those people were being held. And so

2529
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:39,240
Speaker 9: there's a black DC elder who clearly is just like

2530
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:42,000
Speaker 9: mining her business, walking down the street in her city

2531
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,240
Speaker 9: and she gets baited into an on video screaming match

2532
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:49,879
Speaker 9: outside of the DC jail where this maga guy.

2533
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 5: Yells like like like.

2534
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 9: Oh, we didn't do anything wrong, no crime was committed,

2535
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:56,400
Speaker 9: and she's like, you all killed a cop.

2536
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 5: No cops got killed, which is not true. Like the

2537
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:00,920
Speaker 5: it goes back to what you.

2538
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:03,680
Speaker 9: Were saying, Robert about how there is this need to

2539
02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:06,160
Speaker 9: quickly have it be like something that wasn't that big

2540
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:09,839
Speaker 9: of a deal and one to see that in person

2541
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 9: in this video was wild to me. But two, seeing

2542
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:16,880
Speaker 9: like a DC elder like take the bait broke my

2543
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:18,680
Speaker 9: heart because I wish I could have could have been

2544
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:20,640
Speaker 9: in that moment to be like, honey, you don't need

2545
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:22,720
Speaker 9: to be screaming. This guy wants you to be screaming

2546
02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:25,400
Speaker 9: at him. He wants this video of you screaming at

2547
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:26,760
Speaker 9: him on the street.

2548
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 5: This is like exactly what he wants.

2549
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I entirely agree.

2550
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:35,320
Speaker 9: You know, the biggest takeaway from being out was just

2551
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:39,760
Speaker 9: how sparse it was. Like, you know, the first time around,

2552
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 9: I probably had four different people staying with me, two

2553
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:46,480
Speaker 9: of whom got arrested during the big anti Trump protests.

2554
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,480
Speaker 9: This time around, I didn't have anybody. I didn't know

2555
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 9: anybody who was there. And I do think that reflects

2556
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 9: kind of where people are at. I think people are exhausted,

2557
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:56,879
Speaker 9: people have been through a lot. People are maybe pacing

2558
02:13:56,920 --> 02:13:59,760
Speaker 9: themselves and sort of like don't want to blow their

2559
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:03,120
Speaker 9: race wad on the first week, which I totally understand.

2560
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 9: But I think it really remains to be seen, like

2561
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:08,720
Speaker 9: whether or not this vibe is going to take us

2562
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:09,640
Speaker 9: through the next four years.

2563
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:12,520
Speaker 5: Are people just tuning out? Are we checked out?

2564
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 9: Are we so exhausted and overstimulated already that we're not

2565
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:18,360
Speaker 9: going to really be paying attention? And in some ways,

2566
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:20,760
Speaker 9: like I feel like that's exactly what authoritarians want.

2567
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:24,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's where it's difficult, or that's one of the

2568
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 1: many things that is difficult, is that like checking out

2569
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 1: is not the answer, but you simply can't react to

2570
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 1: everything that happens showing up and burning yourself out in

2571
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 1: the street. It's like the cops continue to do bad things.

2572
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:41,560
Speaker 1: If every time a cop is a bad thing, you

2573
02:14:41,640 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 1: and your friends throw yourselves at a police station until

2574
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:46,240
Speaker 1: you all get arrested, then you won't be able to

2575
02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:49,120
Speaker 1: do anything else because you'll be in jail, you know.

2576
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:53,360
Speaker 1: And like these are hard realities, which is why it

2577
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:58,960
Speaker 1: necessitates new kinds of thinking, creativity, you know, to some

2578
02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:01,800
Speaker 1: extent unsad usfying. And I guess part of what I

2579
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:04,200
Speaker 1: would say is if people are giving you answers to

2580
02:15:04,360 --> 02:15:07,640
Speaker 1: what we need to do that sound very clear and satisfying,

2581
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 1: you should maybe not trust that totally. Yeah, because the

2582
02:15:12,280 --> 02:15:15,080
Speaker 1: responsible answer, in my opinion is that like it's very

2583
02:15:15,160 --> 02:15:18,080
Speaker 1: unclear how to get out of this or what the

2584
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 1: right things to do here are?

2585
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:23,760
Speaker 4: We just know that what we've.

2586
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 1: Been doing hasn't been working, and the first step to

2587
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:28,200
Speaker 1: wisdom is accepting that.

2588
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:29,160
Speaker 4: Oof.

2589
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 5: I love that.

2590
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 9: Something I know that isn't working is I'm glad that

2591
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:36,200
Speaker 9: we're not doing.

2592
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:38,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to pivot to ads. Actually,

2593
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 1: let's pivot to ads.

2594
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:44,240
Speaker 9: You're so good at ads, like you could teach a

2595
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 9: class on it.

2596
02:15:45,120 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I waited twenty eight minutes this time

2597
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 1: to do it. But at least we have the second

2598
02:15:49,440 --> 02:16:03,480
Speaker 1: one out there. We're back, Bridget, Sorry, where were you going?

2599
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 9: Something that I'm glad we are not doing this time

2600
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:09,960
Speaker 9: around is remember during the first Trump administration, how the

2601
02:16:10,120 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 9: Washington Post changed their tagline to Democracy dies in Darkness

2602
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:16,560
Speaker 9: and everybody gave them a shit ton of money because

2603
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:18,440
Speaker 9: it was like, yeah, we need like good.

2604
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:21,840
Speaker 5: Investigative journalism, traditional media, that's gonna save us.

2605
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:23,960
Speaker 9: I'm glad that this time around we've all cut the

2606
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:26,280
Speaker 9: shit and it's like, no, they're part of it.

2607
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 5: They're not gonna do a goddamn thing.

2608
02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:32,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Yes, they don't give a fuck. Fucking Jake

2609
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:35,720
Speaker 1: Tapper couldn't roll over fast enough and.

2610
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:38,280
Speaker 9: Like so even I mean, I'm sure y'all have talked

2611
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 9: about this to death and I.

2612
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:41,080
Speaker 5: Have been thinking about it nonstuff.

2613
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:46,200
Speaker 9: But Elon's seeing how the traditional press reported on his salute,

2614
02:16:46,440 --> 02:16:48,000
Speaker 9: it's like, like, oh, what.

2615
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 5: Did he do?

2616
02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 9: Like, like the way they will contort themselves to not

2617
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:55,680
Speaker 9: just come out and say it is astonishing to me.

2618
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:59,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's I mean, that's one of like the

2619
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 1: scariest things is the degree to which they're trying to

2620
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:05,480
Speaker 1: memory all stuff happening as it happened, and at the

2621
02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:08,360
Speaker 1: same time, Okay, yeah, he did a Nazi salute. He's

2622
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:10,200
Speaker 1: a Nazi. This is not the first thing that's made

2623
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:13,560
Speaker 1: that clear. We need to move on knowing he's a Nazi,

2624
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:16,240
Speaker 1: but we need to move on, you know, like that

2625
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:18,120
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't know, I don't know what to

2626
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 1: do other than you know, maybe there's some utility and

2627
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,119
Speaker 1: spreading clips of him next to the fucking guy from

2628
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:26,640
Speaker 1: American History X, but I don't know. I don't know

2629
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:27,480
Speaker 1: how that's gonna help.

2630
02:17:27,879 --> 02:17:30,000
Speaker 10: The fact that he is in this position where he

2631
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:32,560
Speaker 10: can do something like that on stage and it actually

2632
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:35,760
Speaker 10: doesn't matter is like so much more frightening to me

2633
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,800
Speaker 10: than like like Elon Musk like doing like a very

2634
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 10: like low mortar control like version of the salute when

2635
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:44,879
Speaker 10: he's like wrapped up in some like excitement and he's

2636
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:47,120
Speaker 10: trying to like meme to like his like fans on

2637
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,080
Speaker 10: four Chan. The fact that like he's even just allowed

2638
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,760
Speaker 10: to do that and like it doesn't actually matter, like

2639
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 10: this will not affect him in any way is more

2640
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:56,360
Speaker 10: what's interesting to me, because yes, we've all known that

2641
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:58,600
Speaker 10: he's been a Nazi for quite a while. He's like

2642
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:03,360
Speaker 10: shared things are like essentially like Nazi race science on

2643
02:18:03,400 --> 02:18:06,360
Speaker 10: Twitter before he is he has engaged with like extremely

2644
02:18:06,400 --> 02:18:10,199
Speaker 10: anti semitic conspiracy theories before, and you know, the largest

2645
02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:13,959
Speaker 10: anti semitism org in the country has completely capitulated to

2646
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:17,760
Speaker 10: these people, so like they've hollowed out everything that's like

2647
02:18:17,800 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 10: supposed to be, like you know, the institutional blockages, whether

2648
02:18:20,879 --> 02:18:22,920
Speaker 10: that's you know, places like the Washington Post where that's

2649
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:26,000
Speaker 10: literally all of the tech companies, the degree to which

2650
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:29,600
Speaker 10: like everyone has cozied up to Trump, which is also like,

2651
02:18:29,680 --> 02:18:32,480
Speaker 10: you know, very different from twenty sixteen. Exactly everyone was

2652
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 10: like fairly like united institutionally was united against Trump, and

2653
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:39,600
Speaker 10: you know the same way we like we don't see

2654
02:18:39,640 --> 02:18:41,920
Speaker 10: you know, people out in the streets, you know, writing

2655
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:45,120
Speaker 10: or even doing like large protests. The actual you know,

2656
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:49,000
Speaker 10: institutional powers have have decided to instead of actually trying

2657
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:50,680
Speaker 10: to fight this guy, they're going to trying to see

2658
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 10: like how friendly they can be, like how much can

2659
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:55,879
Speaker 10: they get out of this. There's this like resignation, and

2660
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:58,680
Speaker 10: I don't know how long that'll last, Like I'm I'm

2661
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:01,120
Speaker 10: not sure if like, you know, once Trump becomes the

2662
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,160
Speaker 10: establishment figure that he's been like deriding for the past

2663
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,959
Speaker 10: few years, like once he falls back into that zone,

2664
02:19:06,959 --> 02:19:09,280
Speaker 10: if we're going to see more resistance to him from

2665
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:12,960
Speaker 10: like institutional levels, but you can't like count on it.

2666
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:15,520
Speaker 10: And the degree to which it's it is like different

2667
02:19:15,800 --> 02:19:18,720
Speaker 10: from twenty sixteen is like worth remembering. Like a phrase

2668
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 10: me and Robert talk about sometimes is like the forever

2669
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 10: twenty sixteen, Like the fact that it feels like we've

2670
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,360
Speaker 10: never really left twenty sixteen. Everyone kind of acts like

2671
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:29,840
Speaker 10: we're still in twenty sixteen, like this such load bearing

2672
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:33,200
Speaker 10: year on our entire cultural consciousness. But the fact is

2673
02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:36,360
Speaker 10: we aren't in twenty sixteen anymore, and you can't act

2674
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:39,200
Speaker 10: like we are. You actually have to move on from that,

2675
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:42,760
Speaker 10: and we're starting to see more of that in certain corners.

2676
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:45,240
Speaker 10: You see some of that among some of the radicals,

2677
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:47,800
Speaker 10: some of the anarchists as well as you know, the

2678
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:51,360
Speaker 10: tech companies and the CEOs and the media companies. They're

2679
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:54,240
Speaker 10: just you know, changing the degree to which they're moving

2680
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:56,160
Speaker 10: away from their twenty sixteen mode.

2681
02:19:56,480 --> 02:19:57,640
Speaker 5: You actually just.

2682
02:19:57,560 --> 02:19:59,440
Speaker 9: Gave me a little bit of a silver lining that

2683
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:01,960
Speaker 9: I had not read, which is, like, it kind of

2684
02:20:02,480 --> 02:20:06,280
Speaker 9: is useful to see so clearly where these institutions and

2685
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:10,360
Speaker 9: power holders stand. And it's like when like I remember

2686
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:14,760
Speaker 9: watching tech companies like change their logos to Black Lives

2687
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:17,800
Speaker 9: Matter or post the Black Square, it's kind of freeing

2688
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,600
Speaker 9: to be like, we don't have to do that shit anymore.

2689
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:21,320
Speaker 9: Y'all will have to pretend, and we don't have to

2690
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:24,039
Speaker 9: pretend either. We know where you stand. You've made it

2691
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,560
Speaker 9: very clear. You could not make it. You could not

2692
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:29,120
Speaker 9: have made it clear where your alliance is. And let's

2693
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 9: go from there. Like it almost it almost is.

2694
02:20:30,959 --> 02:20:33,160
Speaker 5: Sort of like trimming the fat a little bit.

2695
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,520
Speaker 9: We no longer have to take these these institutions as

2696
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:38,320
Speaker 9: serious as allies or something.

2697
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:40,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's going to be a degree to which, like

2698
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:44,680
Speaker 10: people's masks come off more than usual. I mean, I

2699
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:47,120
Speaker 10: think certainly this next Pride month will be interesting to

2700
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:51,160
Speaker 10: see how people change, you know Pride months twenty twenty two,

2701
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:53,320
Speaker 10: or even you know Pride twenty seventeen.

2702
02:20:53,879 --> 02:20:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at Pride in San Francisco in twenty

2703
02:20:57,240 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 1: twenty and it was very big, very happy, but there

2704
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:05,400
Speaker 1: was like a rind to it, you know, there was

2705
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:09,440
Speaker 1: like an edge to it of are we going to

2706
02:21:09,480 --> 02:21:14,720
Speaker 1: be able to keep doing this? You know, there's a dispensary.

2707
02:21:14,959 --> 02:21:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, I don't smoke, but a friend of mine

2708
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:19,320
Speaker 1: who I stay with when I'm at San Francisco does,

2709
02:21:19,320 --> 02:21:21,959
Speaker 1: and so I was with them at this dispensary and it

2710
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,240
Speaker 1: had like a sign talking about its history, which is

2711
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,240
Speaker 1: that the person who found it it's a very nice one.

2712
02:21:26,280 --> 02:21:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like an apple store inside. And the person who

2713
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:33,320
Speaker 1: like started it and ran it did so because when

2714
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:37,000
Speaker 1: they were younger, their partner had AIDS HIV in the

2715
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:40,360
Speaker 1: AIDS and marijuana reduced some of their symptoms, and they

2716
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,240
Speaker 1: had to go buy it in the nearby park, which

2717
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:44,320
Speaker 1: was a lot uglier of a place and a lot

2718
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:46,480
Speaker 1: like it was. It was sketchy, like they got robbed.

2719
02:21:46,520 --> 02:21:48,560
Speaker 1: A couple of times there's a lot more violent crime

2720
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:51,959
Speaker 1: and just kind of there are even in a place

2721
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 1: like San Francisco, which is so like gentrified in such

2722
02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:57,520
Speaker 1: a way like when you're when you're talking with like

2723
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,720
Speaker 1: especially the older members of the queer community, they're not

2724
02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:04,760
Speaker 1: just like rich, out of touch tech people. They are old,

2725
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:10,000
Speaker 1: battle scarred queers who went through some of the ugliest

2726
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:13,520
Speaker 1: moments of this nation's history and we're kind of bracing

2727
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:16,080
Speaker 1: themselves forward again. So yeah, I'm very interested to see

2728
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 1: what it's what it's like this year, you know.

2729
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,840
Speaker 9: But even that, I feel like there's a I mean,

2730
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:22,680
Speaker 9: it's grim shit, but there's a kind of hope in

2731
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:25,200
Speaker 9: it that like we've been people have been here before, right,

2732
02:22:25,320 --> 02:22:28,840
Speaker 9: Like yeah, you know, there have always been queer people,

2733
02:22:28,879 --> 02:22:32,440
Speaker 9: trans people, black and brown people, immigrants, Like we are America,

2734
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,840
Speaker 9: and like we've always been here, Baby, We're always gonna

2735
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:37,720
Speaker 9: be here and like making our way and like holding

2736
02:22:37,720 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 9: on and bracing ourselves and doing what we gotta do

2737
02:22:39,720 --> 02:22:41,760
Speaker 9: and enduring like that is what we fucking do. And

2738
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:44,080
Speaker 9: so in some ways, as grim as that is, it's

2739
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:45,039
Speaker 9: kind of hopeful.

2740
02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:45,920
Speaker 5: Question Mark.

2741
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:50,279
Speaker 10: Also, Yep, I'm just on the edge of my seat ugh, Yeah,

2742
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:52,480
Speaker 10: I mean certainly, you know, lots of people who I

2743
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:55,000
Speaker 10: surround myself with are you know, looking towards ways to

2744
02:22:55,080 --> 02:22:58,320
Speaker 10: take control of like their own bodies and stop relying,

2745
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:02,600
Speaker 10: like Holly on any kind of government, government agency or

2746
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:05,320
Speaker 10: model for that, as well as doing a lot of

2747
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:09,240
Speaker 10: a lot of reading on the old like anti deportation,

2748
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:13,240
Speaker 10: anti ice resistance from like years and years ago, not

2749
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,800
Speaker 10: just from like the Trump era, but from the stuff

2750
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:18,000
Speaker 10: like like way before. If we're not going to be

2751
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:21,279
Speaker 10: out in the streets doing you know, slightly mindless protest

2752
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:24,080
Speaker 10: for your marching in circles, you can use that time

2753
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:27,720
Speaker 10: to instead like educate yourself and build connections with people,

2754
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:30,879
Speaker 10: and you know, read about these things that may become

2755
02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 10: more and more important to know at least so you

2756
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,640
Speaker 10: have an understanding of history as the next four years

2757
02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:37,960
Speaker 10: to start happening quite quickly.

2758
02:23:38,320 --> 02:23:39,200
Speaker 5: That's so insightful.

2759
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:43,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think when things feel hopeless, reading about how folks,

2760
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:47,240
Speaker 9: you know, our elders, the folks that came before our ancestors,

2761
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:50,520
Speaker 9: how they dealt with stuff like this, has been really hopeful.

2762
02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:52,400
Speaker 9: And it's like, yeah, I guess I just try to

2763
02:23:52,400 --> 02:23:56,480
Speaker 9: tell myself, you've been here before and people found a

2764
02:23:56,480 --> 02:24:00,720
Speaker 9: way to make it through. And you know, it feels

2765
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:05,320
Speaker 9: uniquely tragic, but in some ways it is not. And

2766
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:07,280
Speaker 9: as scary as that is, it can also be sort

2767
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:08,080
Speaker 9: of like grounding.

2768
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:11,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, and like the same things won't work, but you

2769
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,520
Speaker 10: also need to understand the things that didn't work last time,

2770
02:24:14,920 --> 02:24:16,360
Speaker 10: and it's good to know, and it's good to know

2771
02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:18,440
Speaker 10: the things that did. Like it's it's it's important to

2772
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:20,280
Speaker 10: have the understanding so you don't feel like you're having

2773
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:22,840
Speaker 10: to reinvent the wheel every single time. And like that

2774
02:24:22,879 --> 02:24:26,280
Speaker 10: type of like generational knowledge sometimes is really tricky to

2775
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Speaker 10: pass down in these sorts of spaces and it you know,

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Speaker 10: it doesn't and it sometimes it requires a degree of

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Speaker 10: initiative to like actually like seek out the information on

2778
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:37,120
Speaker 10: your own. The internet's great, uh and terrible, but it

2779
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:39,080
Speaker 10: has it has a it has a it has a

2780
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Speaker 10: vast catalog of history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to talk a bit about the speech

2782
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:47,680
Speaker 1: that that bishop gave at the Trump's first church service

2783
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:51,240
Speaker 1: as president the second time around, because that is of

2784
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 1: all of like the fucking media people getting clapped at

2785
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:58,880
Speaker 1: for making fun of you know, whichever you know, hegg

2786
02:24:58,959 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 1: Seth or whoever.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 1: That I think actually did matter a little. At least

2789
02:25:02,959 --> 02:25:05,080
Speaker 1: it was the there was the courage of saying it

2790
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:08,080
Speaker 1: to their faces in a way where their reactions were

2791
02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:09,320
Speaker 1: had to be filmed.

2792
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Speaker 10: It's also not trying to dunk. It's not trying to

2793
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:16,080
Speaker 10: create like a viral moment. It's like genuinely upsetting to

2794
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:19,240
Speaker 10: them to get like reminded of like what it means

2795
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:22,400
Speaker 10: to be human. Yeah, and like maybe that's more important

2796
02:25:22,480 --> 02:25:25,800
Speaker 10: than trying to get your like Katie Porter top ten

2797
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:30,080
Speaker 10: funniest moments in Congress, like a compilation exactly.

2798
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And to be very clear, if you didn't catch this,

2800
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Speaker 1: the right Reverend Mary Anne Bud b DDE was the

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Speaker 1: Episcopal Bishop of Washington. During a church service where Trump

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02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:45,320
Speaker 1: and Vance and basically everybody in the new government was sitting,

2803
02:25:45,400 --> 02:25:48,039
Speaker 1: made a direct PLEA quote from this is from an

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02:25:48,120 --> 02:25:50,560
Speaker 1: NBC Washington article referencing Trump's belief that he was saved

2805
02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:53,080
Speaker 1: by God from assassination. Bud said, you have felt the

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Speaker 1: previdential hand of a loving God, and the name of

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02:25:55,240 --> 02:25:56,920
Speaker 1: our God. I asked you to have mercy on the

2808
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:59,119
Speaker 1: upon the people in our country who are scared now,

2809
02:25:59,720 --> 02:26:03,480
Speaker 1: and she referenced specifically transgender people, queer people, people in

2810
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:06,920
Speaker 1: democratic families, independent families who were frightened right now about

2811
02:26:06,959 --> 02:26:09,840
Speaker 1: what the new administration means, as well as migrants, and

2812
02:26:09,879 --> 02:26:12,200
Speaker 1: she made a point of saying, like, the vast majority

2813
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:14,480
Speaker 1: of whom are not in any way criminals.

2814
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:16,520
Speaker 4: And yeah, like regardless of whether or not they have

2815
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:17,400
Speaker 4: the right paperwork.

2816
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was rage on Vance's face, which is part

2817
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:23,600
Speaker 1: of why I'm like, that's an act of actual courage.

2818
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:26,640
Speaker 1: There's been one Republican representative who said that she needed

2819
02:26:26,680 --> 02:26:29,920
Speaker 1: to be deported, but she's born in New Jersey.

2820
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,240
Speaker 5: So deported back to New Jersey.

2821
02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Representative Mike Collins of Georgia. So one of your

2822
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:36,520
Speaker 1: guys gare, oh.

2823
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:39,280
Speaker 10: Thanks, then there are you from Georgia.

2824
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:41,480
Speaker 4: Well, no, but I live in Georgia.

2825
02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:42,400
Speaker 1: I'd live there now.

2826
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:44,760
Speaker 10: And as someone who lives in Georgia, the only people

2827
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 10: that I think should be deported back to New Jersey

2828
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:49,800
Speaker 10: are the Costco guy and his kid. Get them out,

2829
02:26:49,959 --> 02:26:51,440
Speaker 10: send them back now.

2830
02:26:51,440 --> 02:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I think I do think we should be deporting large

2831
02:26:54,280 --> 02:26:57,920
Speaker 1: numbers of people to New Jersey just because my old

2832
02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:00,360
Speaker 1: boss and friend, Daniel O'Brien lives there, and I want

2833
02:27:00,360 --> 02:27:02,360
Speaker 1: to fuck with them a little bit, make the traffic worse,

2834
02:27:02,760 --> 02:27:05,199
Speaker 1: Like see how you deal with that, Danny boy.

2835
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:09,000
Speaker 10: No, it was, like I think, the most useful thing

2836
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 10: i've like i've seen yet. Yeah, it's still like largely symbolic,

2837
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:13,680
Speaker 10: but like at.

2838
02:27:13,640 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 1: Least someone took a big public risk, you know, yeah, yeah, Perage. Yeah.

2839
02:27:18,600 --> 02:27:21,360
Speaker 9: I think it's the writer Sarah Candozer who has this

2840
02:27:21,440 --> 02:27:22,959
Speaker 9: line that I always think of, if.

2841
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:24,199
Speaker 5: You can't be brave, be kind.

2842
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:27,280
Speaker 9: I think that like people who you see doing acts

2843
02:27:27,320 --> 02:27:30,520
Speaker 9: of big acts of bravery right now, Like that's I mean,

2844
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:33,119
Speaker 9: it's just there are so few of them. And I think,

2845
02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:35,840
Speaker 9: especially when I look at like the tech leaders, they have.

2846
02:27:35,879 --> 02:27:36,959
Speaker 5: So much fucking money.

2847
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 9: Somebody said on tlusky, what is the point of having

2848
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:41,600
Speaker 9: fuck you money if you never say fuck you to anybody?

2849
02:27:41,720 --> 02:27:41,879
Speaker 1: Right?

2850
02:27:41,959 --> 02:27:44,160
Speaker 9: Like, the way that these people turned out to be

2851
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:47,800
Speaker 9: such yellow bellied cowards is wild to me. And so

2852
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:51,000
Speaker 9: people actually having conviction and actually speaking seats of power,

2853
02:27:51,080 --> 02:27:53,920
Speaker 9: I think we should be lifting that up wherever it happens.

2854
02:27:54,400 --> 02:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can think of like one tech guy with

2855
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money who's turned out to have any

2856
02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of a backbone, And it's the guy who made

2857
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:04,480
Speaker 1: that fire watching app that everyone in California's using right now,

2858
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:06,920
Speaker 1: watch Duty, who's basically had said stuff along the lines

2859
02:28:06,959 --> 02:28:08,640
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, I see all these other

2860
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:10,920
Speaker 1: guys you got rich and tech talking about going to Mars,

2861
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:12,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's much more useful to try to

2862
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:15,680
Speaker 1: help people survive on Earth something along those lines, and

2863
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:18,400
Speaker 1: his like novel made a critical like it is a

2864
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:24,440
Speaker 1: critical life saving piece of technology that actually is what

2865
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:26,440
Speaker 1: we should hope for from tech.

2866
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:26,760
Speaker 3: You know.

2867
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:29,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, bridget what else did you want to kind of

2868
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:30,320
Speaker 1: make sure we got into today?

2869
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:31,240
Speaker 5: Well this is going to.

2870
02:28:31,240 --> 02:28:33,400
Speaker 9: Sound a bit random, but I have to just make

2871
02:28:33,440 --> 02:28:35,520
Speaker 9: sure that this gets in there, because you know, I'm

2872
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:38,400
Speaker 9: talking about the impact of Trump's inauguration and what the

2873
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:40,879
Speaker 9: next four years look like for you know, not just

2874
02:28:40,920 --> 02:28:43,480
Speaker 9: for people nationally, but folks right here in DC where

2875
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:45,920
Speaker 9: this is happening in our backyard. And I have to

2876
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:49,000
Speaker 9: give it up for the service industry folks of DC

2877
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:51,280
Speaker 9: the last couple of days, cause they, oh my god,

2878
02:28:51,640 --> 02:28:57,000
Speaker 9: I like have heard horror stories and I just I

2879
02:28:57,000 --> 02:28:59,039
Speaker 9: guess that's what I mean is that don't forget that

2880
02:28:59,080 --> 02:29:01,600
Speaker 9: there are real people who have to like put up

2881
02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:05,039
Speaker 9: with these people's bullshit and do it with a smile

2882
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:08,280
Speaker 9: or they might get fired. And you know, in Adams Morgan,

2883
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:09,959
Speaker 9: which is like pretty close to where I live, a

2884
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:13,600
Speaker 9: woman at an Irish bar had to be removed by

2885
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:17,120
Speaker 9: a staffer because she was screaming white power at the bar. Like,

2886
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:19,800
Speaker 9: these people do not get paid enough to deal with this,

2887
02:29:19,959 --> 02:29:22,160
Speaker 9: and they are like the backbone of our city. So

2888
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,080
Speaker 9: I just wanted to shout them out, especially since you know,

2889
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:29,280
Speaker 9: Trump switched up the inaugurations because of the cold question

2890
02:29:29,400 --> 02:29:31,360
Speaker 9: mark and so a lot more of these people were

2891
02:29:31,360 --> 02:29:33,920
Speaker 9: just sort of wandering around the district on inauguration who

2892
02:29:33,959 --> 02:29:36,680
Speaker 9: otherwise would have been confined to like a very specific

2893
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:39,440
Speaker 9: neighborhood downtown, and so they were going into our bars,

2894
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:42,600
Speaker 9: going into our restaurants, and yeah, I just really feel

2895
02:29:42,680 --> 02:29:45,760
Speaker 9: for my industry folks who had to deal with this.

2896
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:48,240
Speaker 9: You know, they're not paid enough, but they really are

2897
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:51,040
Speaker 9: the backbone of our city. Hell yeah, you know, I

2898
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:54,600
Speaker 9: started this conversation talking about all the horrible things that

2899
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,560
Speaker 9: Trump has said about DC and how he's going to

2900
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:59,680
Speaker 9: take it over federally, and like you know, he has said,

2901
02:29:59,720 --> 02:30:02,440
Speaker 9: like we will take over the horribly run capital of

2902
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 9: our nation and Washington clean up and rebuild the Capitol,

2903
02:30:05,360 --> 02:30:08,400
Speaker 9: so there's it's no longer a nightmare of murder and crime,

2904
02:30:08,680 --> 02:30:12,560
Speaker 9: but rather hell I know this like hell hole where

2905
02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:14,800
Speaker 9: like people live and raise their families and go to

2906
02:30:14,840 --> 02:30:17,640
Speaker 9: parks and ride bikes and have great times. Yeah, you know,

2907
02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:20,160
Speaker 9: I had a chance to talk to the mayor about this,

2908
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:23,640
Speaker 9: and I will say our mayor, Muriel Bowser, is not

2909
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:26,640
Speaker 9: convinced that any of this will happen. She is saying, like,

2910
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,920
Speaker 9: you know, I think that Trump says a lot of things.

2911
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:31,840
Speaker 9: I think at the end of the day, he is

2912
02:30:31,879 --> 02:30:33,560
Speaker 9: probably not going to mess with.

2913
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:34,440
Speaker 5: DC's home rule.

2914
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:35,760
Speaker 9: And so I just wanted to say that if you're

2915
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:37,760
Speaker 9: if you're in DC and you're listening and you're thinking, like,

2916
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 9: what does Trump you know, mean for DC? Are all

2917
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:43,400
Speaker 9: of these big threats that he has made going to

2918
02:30:43,440 --> 02:30:45,480
Speaker 9: come true? All I can tell you is that our

2919
02:30:45,480 --> 02:30:47,920
Speaker 9: mayor does not think it is likely. So if that

2920
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,400
Speaker 9: is useful to you, I hope it brings you some comfort.

2921
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:50,920
Speaker 3: Now.

2922
02:30:50,959 --> 02:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, one thing that's given me comfort is like

2923
02:30:53,400 --> 02:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Trump has twice in the last day, both when talking

2924
02:30:56,200 --> 02:30:59,199
Speaker 1: about Gaza and when talking about North Korea, weirdly enough,

2925
02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:01,680
Speaker 1: gone under degre rress about how good that it is

2926
02:31:01,879 --> 02:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a place to build condos, and the degree to which

2927
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:09,560
Speaker 1: he's still focused on like real estate feels as opposed

2928
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:14,039
Speaker 1: to the broader fascist project is hopeful just because like

2929
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:16,240
Speaker 1: he is a bottleneck through which a lot of this

2930
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 1: has to cover, and he is clearly not as personally

2931
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:24,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with every aspect of this as guys like Stephen Miller, right,

2932
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Like he even makes fun of Miller a little bit

2933
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:28,480
Speaker 1: for that kind of stuff. So there's a degree to which,

2934
02:31:28,600 --> 02:31:34,160
Speaker 1: like well, his own personal eccentricities, there's aspects of this

2935
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:35,280
Speaker 1: it might slow down.

2936
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,520
Speaker 9: This motherfucker is not out here trying to genuinely govern,

2937
02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:41,480
Speaker 9: like come on, I know. So in some ways that

2938
02:31:41,560 --> 02:31:43,879
Speaker 9: is heartening of like, oh, well, he's gonna like do

2939
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:47,920
Speaker 9: his scams and whatever whatever, Like if he weren't to

2940
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:50,920
Speaker 9: actually take over DC, that's an incredible amount of work

2941
02:31:50,959 --> 02:31:53,560
Speaker 9: and labor, and I don't think he's got it in him.

2942
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:55,680
Speaker 9: So maybe in some ways some of these threats will

2943
02:31:55,720 --> 02:31:56,760
Speaker 9: like fly under the radar.

2944
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, guess we'll say, yes, we'll see

2945
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:02,560
Speaker 1: bridget Where can people find you?

2946
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:04,520
Speaker 5: Well, you can listen to my podcast.

2947
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:06,760
Speaker 9: There are no girls on the internet about the intersection

2948
02:32:06,879 --> 02:32:09,440
Speaker 9: of identity and tech. And you can follow me on

2949
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:10,840
Speaker 9: Instagram at Bridget Marie and DC.

2950
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:19,080
Speaker 1: All right, find Bridget, follow Bridget and uh follow somebody smart.

2951
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:23,039
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. Figure that out. Good luck, godspeed.

2952
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:25,280
Speaker 1: Fuck them if they can't take a joke.

2953
02:32:42,840 --> 02:32:45,760
Speaker 2: The richest man in the world does a Nazi salute

2954
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:48,880
Speaker 2: while giving a speech at the inauguration of the new president.

2955
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:53,360
Speaker 2: He does a second one in another age. It is

2956
02:32:53,400 --> 02:32:56,800
Speaker 2: the most significant event in world history. It's maybe the

2957
02:32:56,840 --> 02:33:00,160
Speaker 2: third most fascist event of the day. And be he

2958
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:03,600
Speaker 2: re uploads the address and cuts away from the sig

2959
02:33:03,640 --> 02:33:08,800
Speaker 2: hal at broadcasted live. You refresh your timeline. Everyone is

2960
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:11,800
Speaker 2: arguing about whether it was even a Nazi salute. You

2961
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:15,720
Speaker 2: watch the video. It's a Nazi salute. The second one

2962
02:33:16,280 --> 02:33:19,440
Speaker 2: is a Nazi salute. None of the headlines will say

2963
02:33:19,640 --> 02:33:23,000
Speaker 2: that Elon Musk did a Nazi salute. The articles won't

2964
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:26,280
Speaker 2: say it either. You can't tell whether they've been cowed

2965
02:33:26,360 --> 02:33:30,240
Speaker 2: to submission by the threat of a defamation lawsuit, or

2966
02:33:30,320 --> 02:33:33,600
Speaker 2: if they're already running cover for the new regime. You

2967
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:37,360
Speaker 2: scroll through your timeline, they made my gender illegal. They

2968
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:40,520
Speaker 2: tried to repeal the fourteenth Amendment through executive order to

2969
02:33:40,680 --> 02:33:45,039
Speaker 2: end birthright citizenship. You can't follow it. It's too much.

2970
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 2: The world has become a spectacle, and that spectacle is

2971
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:55,520
Speaker 2: trying to kill you. Welcome to Ikadap and here I'm

2972
02:33:55,560 --> 02:34:00,400
Speaker 2: your host, Mio Wong. In societies where modern can editions

2973
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:04,680
Speaker 2: of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an

2974
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:09,640
Speaker 2: immense accumulation of spectacles. So wrote the French social theorist

2975
02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Gee de Board in his seminal nineteen sixty seven work

2976
02:34:13,879 --> 02:34:18,040
Speaker 2: The Society of the Spectacle. The Board is typically written

2977
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:21,640
Speaker 2: off as just another theorist of early mass media, and

2978
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:25,160
Speaker 2: today his work is generally confined to the art world,

2979
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:28,879
Speaker 2: which is, to be fair largely a demonstration of the

2980
02:34:28,879 --> 02:34:31,119
Speaker 2: fact that nobody who talks about him has ever gotten

2981
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:33,800
Speaker 2: past the opening paragraphs of the book and made it

2982
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:36,720
Speaker 2: to the part where he demands the formation of art workers' councils.

2983
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:40,680
Speaker 2: But this is the age of the spectacle. In ways

2984
02:34:40,760 --> 02:34:44,280
Speaker 2: when nightmarish that de Board could ever have predicted. His

2985
02:34:44,360 --> 02:34:49,959
Speaker 2: elaborate metaphor is rendered thuddingly literal quote. Everything that was

2986
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:56,119
Speaker 2: directly lived has moved away into representation, and indeed living

2987
02:34:56,320 --> 02:35:00,000
Speaker 2: has been replaced by the image of living. This phenomenon

2988
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,640
Speaker 2: well is called instagram. The spectacle society of the spectacle

2989
02:35:04,680 --> 02:35:08,360
Speaker 2: opens is not a collection of images, but a social

2990
02:35:08,360 --> 02:35:14,400
Speaker 2: relation among people mediated by images. Today we literally call

2991
02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:16,760
Speaker 2: the collection of images we use to relate to each

2992
02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:22,760
Speaker 2: other social media quote. Lived reality is materially invaded by

2993
02:35:22,760 --> 02:35:28,160
Speaker 2: the contemplation of the spectacle, while simultaneously absorbing the spectacular order,

2994
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:34,400
Speaker 2: giving it positive cohesiveness. A reality TV star, the old

2995
02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:37,840
Speaker 2: human symbol of the spectacle, in which everything that was

2996
02:35:37,879 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 2: directly lived has been transformed into a representation, is now

2997
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:46,240
Speaker 2: a president, the second time, driven by streamers and influencers

2998
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:49,000
Speaker 2: and podcasters who stand as the new human symbols of

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02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 2: the spectacle. They have invaded real society and now rule

3000
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:57,600
Speaker 2: it directly. In the nineteen sixties, the debate was whether

3001
02:35:57,680 --> 02:36:00,760
Speaker 2: you could ignore the spectacle because it wasn't real. The

3002
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Board's elegant solution was that contemplating the spectacle makes it real.

3003
02:36:06,360 --> 02:36:09,959
Speaker 2: None of that matters anymore. You can't ignore the spectacle

3004
02:36:10,280 --> 02:36:14,440
Speaker 2: because it's here. It has physically invaded the world. Donald

3005
02:36:14,480 --> 02:36:18,760
Speaker 2: Trump is the president, the richest man on Earth is

3006
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:23,480
Speaker 2: Nazi saluting Elon Musk. The autonomous force the Board described

3007
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:27,120
Speaker 2: as a spectacle no longer operates at the abstract level.

3008
02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:32,560
Speaker 2: It is the president of the United States. Everything is

3009
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:38,800
Speaker 2: rendered thuddingly, transcendently literal. In de Board's usage, the spectacle

3010
02:36:38,879 --> 02:36:42,560
Speaker 2: is the management of society by mediating people's social relations

3011
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:47,840
Speaker 2: through images. This sounds complicated, but on an intuitive level,

3012
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:51,840
Speaker 2: you already understand this. You and I relate to each

3013
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:54,560
Speaker 2: other through the one way mirror of a podcast app.

3014
02:36:55,480 --> 02:36:58,600
Speaker 2: You relate to others by reacting to their TikTok videos.

3015
02:36:59,080 --> 02:37:02,680
Speaker 2: You watch the bomb fall on Palestine on Twitter. You

3016
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,160
Speaker 2: relate to each other and the world through images, and

3017
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:11,080
Speaker 2: that relation is a system of control. As de Board

3018
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:14,840
Speaker 2: describes it, that mediation takes you out of the real world,

3019
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:18,600
Speaker 2: a world that you can actually change with your actions,

3020
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:22,160
Speaker 2: and thrust you into the world with the spectacle, a

3021
02:37:22,200 --> 02:37:26,119
Speaker 2: world where reality is quote an object of mere contemplation.

3022
02:37:27,600 --> 02:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Today we call this the discourse. The work that inspired

3023
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:36,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty eight revolutions called it the spectacle. Why

3024
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:40,360
Speaker 2: does it feel like this? The rot, the decay, the

3025
02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:43,680
Speaker 2: unreality of the moment that consumes you until one day

3026
02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is president and the next he's president again.

3027
02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:54,840
Speaker 2: The board has a simple answer. It's because the entire political, economic,

3028
02:37:54,959 --> 02:37:59,640
Speaker 2: and technological system is designed to make you isolated, afraid,

3029
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:01,080
Speaker 2: and alone.

3030
02:38:01,360 --> 02:38:01,960
Speaker 3: Quote.

3031
02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:06,800
Speaker 2: Technology is based on isolation, and the technical process isolates

3032
02:38:06,879 --> 02:38:11,280
Speaker 2: in turn. From the automobile to television, all of the

3033
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:14,720
Speaker 2: goods selected by the spectacular system are also weapons for

3034
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:20,279
Speaker 2: a constant reinforcement of the condition of isolated, lonely crowds. Later,

3035
02:38:20,480 --> 02:38:23,840
Speaker 2: he writes, what binds the spectators together is no more

3036
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:28,200
Speaker 2: than an irreversible relation at the very center which maintains

3037
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:33,680
Speaker 2: their isolation. The spectacle reunites the separate, but reunites it

3038
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:38,720
Speaker 2: as separate. This is why the world feels like an

3039
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:44,760
Speaker 2: endless doom. Scroll Instagram, TikTok live streaming this podcast. They're

3040
02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:48,400
Speaker 2: all based on isolation. Look at what happened to social

3041
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:51,720
Speaker 2: media during the isolation of the pandemic, How it came

3042
02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:54,440
Speaker 2: to consume even more of our lives with the promise

3043
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:58,160
Speaker 2: of connection that simply rendered us more and more and

3044
02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:04,000
Speaker 2: more isolated. The spectacle, given technological form in the social

3045
02:39:04,040 --> 02:39:07,800
Speaker 2: media app turns us into a mass in which we

3046
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:13,960
Speaker 2: are all somehow terrifyingly alone. We're not people who form

3047
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,720
Speaker 2: a crowd that could do anything from celebrate a holiday

3048
02:39:16,760 --> 02:39:23,080
Speaker 2: to burn. The third precinct, or spectators with listeners were viewers.

3049
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:24,279
Speaker 4: Or chat.

3050
02:39:25,440 --> 02:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Not living, but commenting on the image of living the

3051
02:39:30,520 --> 02:39:36,000
Speaker 2: spectacle the app The image mediates or social relations with

3052
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:39,720
Speaker 2: each other and ensures that together in a lonely crowd,

3053
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:43,720
Speaker 2: we wrought in isolation and do only the two things

3054
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:48,359
Speaker 2: the capitalist system needs us to do, work and consume.

3055
02:39:49,800 --> 02:39:54,960
Speaker 2: Atomized individuals are the ideal subject of capitalism, the basis

3056
02:39:55,160 --> 02:39:58,760
Speaker 2: on which everything is built. You entered into a free

3057
02:39:58,800 --> 02:40:02,600
Speaker 2: contract to live under a s date, says a social theorist. You,

3058
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:06,480
Speaker 2: the individual, gave up your labor to your boss voluntarily

3059
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:11,480
Speaker 2: in another free contract between individuals, says the economist. Do

3060
02:40:11,640 --> 02:40:14,360
Speaker 2: not organize with anyone else to get paid more for

3061
02:40:14,440 --> 02:40:16,959
Speaker 2: that labor, or God help you. Try to create a

3062
02:40:16,959 --> 02:40:19,400
Speaker 2: system where you aren't forced to sell your labor every day.

3063
02:40:20,040 --> 02:40:24,840
Speaker 2: That's cheating, says the politician. Your job is to sell

3064
02:40:24,879 --> 02:40:28,640
Speaker 2: your labor, buy these products, and comment on a world

3065
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:33,120
Speaker 2: in which someone else is acting. The isolation of the

3066
02:40:33,160 --> 02:40:38,320
Speaker 2: spectacle ensures that we're incapable of collective action, not only

3067
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:42,039
Speaker 2: because we're incapable of forming a collective. We're not even

3068
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:45,000
Speaker 2: engaging in the world in which action can take place.

3069
02:40:45,800 --> 02:40:49,240
Speaker 2: The extent of the advance of the spectacle today is

3070
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:53,199
Speaker 2: such that the unfolding of the economic system is designed

3071
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:56,680
Speaker 2: to turn every part of you into a commodity, not

3072
02:40:56,720 --> 02:41:01,760
Speaker 2: just your labor, but your identity, your beliefs. Everything that

3073
02:41:01,800 --> 02:41:06,080
Speaker 2: you are is sold to everyone else a spectacle, and

3074
02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:10,920
Speaker 2: in turn, everything that defines you becomes the spectacle itself.

3075
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:15,320
Speaker 2: In a world where there is no action, just the

3076
02:41:15,360 --> 02:41:20,039
Speaker 2: image of someone else's actions somewhere else, a commercialized political

3077
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:24,120
Speaker 2: identity is much easier to adopt than actually doing politics.

3078
02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:26,120
Speaker 4: You don't have to do politics.

3079
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:28,680
Speaker 2: You can just put on a red hat and watch

3080
02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:32,120
Speaker 2: the man on TV make the liberals angry. You don't

3081
02:41:32,160 --> 02:41:36,280
Speaker 2: need relations with your family, you have Facebook groups. The

3082
02:41:36,400 --> 02:41:41,000
Speaker 2: relations to the world are relations to images. David Graber

3083
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:43,879
Speaker 2: wrote that the ultimate hidden truth of the world is

3084
02:41:43,879 --> 02:41:46,200
Speaker 2: that it is something that we make and could just

3085
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:50,720
Speaker 2: as easily make differently. But the second, slightly less ultimate

3086
02:41:50,760 --> 02:41:56,560
Speaker 2: hidden truth is that almost everything we think of as objects, money, capital,

3087
02:41:56,800 --> 02:42:02,880
Speaker 2: commodities are really just relations between abstracted out onto something physical.

3088
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:06,440
Speaker 2: We interact with each other by using objects as forms

3089
02:42:06,480 --> 02:42:09,880
Speaker 2: of command. What do you think money is? Instead of

3090
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:14,000
Speaker 2: having real, equal social relations. And that makes it all

3091
02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:17,200
Speaker 2: the more dire that the social relations that compose this

3092
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:20,640
Speaker 2: world are no longer even relations with each other at all,

3093
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:36,400
Speaker 2: but relations with images. The spectacle is a strategy of control,

3094
02:42:36,959 --> 02:42:41,360
Speaker 2: as de Board rights quote, where the real world changes

3095
02:42:41,400 --> 02:42:45,520
Speaker 2: into simple images. The simple images become real beings and

3096
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:50,880
Speaker 2: effective motivations of hypnotic behavior. The spectacle is a tendency

3097
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:53,959
Speaker 2: to make one see the world by various means of

3098
02:42:53,959 --> 02:42:59,000
Speaker 2: specialized mediations. It can no longer be grasped directly. As

3099
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:03,440
Speaker 2: a spectacle advances, even rebellion is reduced to meaningless attacks

3100
02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:07,600
Speaker 2: on the symbols of power, never touching power itself.

3101
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:09,120
Speaker 3: Quote.

3102
02:43:09,480 --> 02:43:13,640
Speaker 2: But when the insurgents managed to penetrate parliament's presidential palaces

3103
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:17,760
Speaker 2: and other headquarters of institutions, as in Ukraine, in Libya,

3104
02:43:17,879 --> 02:43:22,920
Speaker 2: or in Wisconsin, it's only to discover empty places that

3105
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:27,800
Speaker 2: is empty of power and furnished without any taste. So

3106
02:43:27,959 --> 02:43:31,320
Speaker 2: wrote the Invisible Committee of the Distant halcyon days of

3107
02:43:31,360 --> 02:43:36,240
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, it could have been written yesterday. Nine years later.

3108
02:43:36,360 --> 02:43:41,760
Speaker 2: The insurgents now on the right produced their masterpiece, Brazil's

3109
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:47,400
Speaker 2: even more ineffectual cousin of January sixth, known forever as

3110
02:43:47,480 --> 02:43:51,360
Speaker 2: January eighth. On that day in twenty twenty three, for

3111
02:43:51,480 --> 02:43:54,880
Speaker 2: reasons that are almost totally incomprehensible to anyone whose mind

3112
02:43:54,879 --> 02:43:58,680
Speaker 2: has not been utterly melted by prolonged and terrible exposure

3113
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:03,800
Speaker 2: to the spectacle, supporters of defeated President JayR. Bolsonaro stormed

3114
02:44:03,879 --> 02:44:08,959
Speaker 2: Brazil's capital. Bolsonaro, of course, had already fled to Florida.

3115
02:44:09,560 --> 02:44:13,960
Speaker 2: The Presidential Palace, Congress, and the Supreme Court were literally

3116
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:17,480
Speaker 2: empty when the protesters took them. There was nothing to

3117
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:22,640
Speaker 2: be one, nothing to be gained. The protesters vain hopes

3118
02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:25,600
Speaker 2: that simply seizing the symbols of power would trigger a

3119
02:44:25,640 --> 02:44:29,560
Speaker 2: military coup to remove Lula and restore the Bolsonara regime

3120
02:44:30,440 --> 02:44:34,840
Speaker 2: evaporated like a morning dew, leaving nothing in their wake.

3121
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:40,480
Speaker 2: January sixth at least attacked the site of the ritual

3122
02:44:40,520 --> 02:44:44,760
Speaker 2: of power while the ritual was technically in progress. The

3123
02:44:44,840 --> 02:44:47,920
Speaker 2: attack was, of course, designed to stop the certification of

3124
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:54,080
Speaker 2: the election. Congress was at least in session. Even if

3125
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:56,640
Speaker 2: that attack, too, was the culmination of a series of

3126
02:44:56,680 --> 02:45:00,200
Speaker 2: ineffectual reruns of the Brooke Brothers' riots in but it's

3127
02:45:00,280 --> 02:45:03,039
Speaker 2: right wing political operatives did manage to steal an election

3128
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:05,960
Speaker 2: by stopping the vote count in Florida in two thousand

3129
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:12,640
Speaker 2: on January eighth. No one was even there, So how

3130
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,879
Speaker 2: do we get out? Lashing out at the symbols of

3131
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:21,440
Speaker 2: power is pointless. You can't ignore them either. Elon's Nazi

3132
02:45:21,480 --> 02:45:26,440
Speaker 2: salute really does represent something. The opening of any solution

3133
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:30,600
Speaker 2: is to go to the source. Trump and Elon are symptoms,

3134
02:45:31,800 --> 02:45:37,240
Speaker 2: not the disease. The spectacle is born of capitalism. It's

3135
02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:40,440
Speaker 2: a management strategy designed to suppress any attempt to end

3136
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:45,000
Speaker 2: or even rearrange the terms of the class system. Trump

3137
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:49,039
Speaker 2: and Elon were likewise produced by two settler colonies. They are,

3138
02:45:49,400 --> 02:45:52,600
Speaker 2: in their own ways, the manifestation of the evil of

3139
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:57,400
Speaker 2: colonialism and racism. To boards solution to these problems, of course,

3140
02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:00,480
Speaker 2: well the solutions that people bother to read. There is

3141
02:46:00,520 --> 02:46:04,400
Speaker 2: a staggeringly racist section of this work about how time

3142
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:09,560
Speaker 2: passes in China that I simply cannot recommend. But the

3143
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:13,760
Speaker 2: board's solution was workers' councils, and he got his wish.

3144
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:17,800
Speaker 2: The next year, manufactory occupations of nineteen sixty eight. It

3145
02:46:17,959 --> 02:46:21,320
Speaker 2: nearly worked. But the last workers Council fell a quarter

3146
02:46:21,360 --> 02:46:24,640
Speaker 2: of a century ago in Argentina, and there's no sign

3147
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:27,840
Speaker 2: at the Workers' Council. The definitive fighting form of the

3148
02:46:27,879 --> 02:46:33,120
Speaker 2: working class for over a century is coming back. In

3149
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:37,360
Speaker 2: some ways. This is liberating one hundred and seventy years ago.

3150
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:41,320
Speaker 2: Marx wrote this in the eighteenth through mayor of Louis Bonaparte,

3151
02:46:41,959 --> 02:46:45,240
Speaker 2: his own response to a nation's nationalist attempt to restore

3152
02:46:45,280 --> 02:46:48,560
Speaker 2: its former glory by invoking the name of a previous leader.

3153
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:52,760
Speaker 2: The social revolution of the nineteenth century cannot take its

3154
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:56,879
Speaker 2: poetry from the past, but only from the future. It

3155
02:46:56,920 --> 02:46:59,880
Speaker 2: cannot begin with itself before it has stripped away also

3156
02:47:00,040 --> 02:47:05,080
Speaker 2: pstitions about the past. In the days and weeks and months,

3157
02:47:05,480 --> 02:47:08,320
Speaker 2: and God help us all years to come, we're going

3158
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:11,600
Speaker 2: to have to assemble a new fighting form, and no

3159
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:16,640
Speaker 2: one knows what it looks like yet. We could perhaps

3160
02:47:17,320 --> 02:47:20,000
Speaker 2: look at the airport protests from the first months of

3161
02:47:20,040 --> 02:47:24,720
Speaker 2: the original Trump administration, or masses of people, including a

3162
02:47:24,840 --> 02:47:27,440
Speaker 2: very young Mia who had not quite realized what gender

3163
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:31,960
Speaker 2: she was, occupied airports all across the country to stop

3164
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:36,000
Speaker 2: the implementation of Trump's Muslim ban by physically forcing the

3165
02:47:36,040 --> 02:47:39,000
Speaker 2: government to release the people who had detained in the airports.

3166
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:43,600
Speaker 2: The power of those protests was that they directly located

3167
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:47,640
Speaker 2: the site where power was operating, the airport, and took them.

3168
02:47:47,959 --> 02:47:51,320
Speaker 2: The weakness of those protests was that people went home.

3169
02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:54,800
Speaker 2: And they went home because they had been told time

3170
02:47:54,920 --> 02:47:58,640
Speaker 2: and time and time again by the ACLU and by

3171
02:47:58,680 --> 02:48:01,680
Speaker 2: other legal organizations that the fight was over, that they

3172
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:04,520
Speaker 2: could leave, and that the Muslim bans would be defeated

3173
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:08,360
Speaker 2: by the courts. Most of you lived through it. Some

3174
02:48:08,440 --> 02:48:11,040
Speaker 2: of you remember the Muslim ban was never defeated by

3175
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:15,400
Speaker 2: the courts. It could possibly have been defeated in those moments,

3176
02:48:16,120 --> 02:48:20,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't. The contest was taken away from the real

3177
02:48:20,560 --> 02:48:24,120
Speaker 2: sight of power and into a domain largely ruled by

3178
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:28,040
Speaker 2: the ruling class. But we can learn from both January

3179
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:32,920
Speaker 2: eighth and the airport protests. Marching to a building doesn't

3180
02:48:32,959 --> 02:48:38,400
Speaker 2: guarantee you're actually targeting power. You must understand how the

3181
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:42,800
Speaker 2: system is operating before you attempt to go up its works.

3182
02:48:43,560 --> 02:48:47,000
Speaker 2: A thousand miniature January eighths is no solution at all.

3183
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:50,720
Speaker 2: You must do the hard work of sifting to the

3184
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:54,199
Speaker 2: tangle of rumors and lies at attempting to work out

3185
02:48:54,240 --> 02:49:00,600
Speaker 2: the actual structure of repression. It starts with community self defense.

3186
02:49:01,280 --> 02:49:04,960
Speaker 2: It starts with actually engaging with each other instead of

3187
02:49:05,000 --> 02:49:09,360
Speaker 2: the mediated images generated by an algorithm. You want to

3188
02:49:09,360 --> 02:49:12,800
Speaker 2: break out of the spectacle, talk to the people around you,

3189
02:49:13,600 --> 02:49:16,119
Speaker 2: Talk to the trans people and the immigrants in your

3190
02:49:16,160 --> 02:49:20,440
Speaker 2: life and find out what they actually need. Figure out

3191
02:49:20,480 --> 02:49:23,360
Speaker 2: the concrete steps you can take to organize the people

3192
02:49:23,400 --> 02:49:26,920
Speaker 2: around you, and the steps you can take to lift

3193
02:49:26,920 --> 02:49:31,279
Speaker 2: them out of their despair. We're not going to develop

3194
02:49:31,320 --> 02:49:35,320
Speaker 2: a new fighting form glued to our phones alone in

3195
02:49:35,400 --> 02:49:39,320
Speaker 2: a digital crowd. We're going to figure it out by

3196
02:49:39,360 --> 02:49:42,480
Speaker 2: talking to each other, by acting in the real world,

3197
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:48,760
Speaker 2: not by being rendered passive observers of the spectacle. We're

3198
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:51,680
Speaker 2: going to do it by finding the real places where

3199
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:57,080
Speaker 2: power operates and taking them. And above all, we're going

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Speaker 2: to do it together.

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Speaker 1: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 1: from now until the heat death of the universe.

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Speaker 4: It could happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 2: now find sources for it could happen here, listed directly

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Speaker 2: in episode descriptions.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.