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Speaker 2: Oh what a beautiful morning it is here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: It is truthfully day number one of Cowboys Camp twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. It is day number one because there will
Speaker 2: be football players on a football field behind us. And
Speaker 2: this is micshots Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola. No, No,
Speaker 2: Everson Walls, No, Nate Newton. Nate will be joining us
Speaker 2: as we go along here from Oxnard over the course
Speaker 2: of the next several weeks. Everson will eventually join us
Speaker 2: at the Star in Frisco. But Mickey, it is a
Speaker 2: glorious football Wednesday, Sun's out, Sky's blue sixty eight degrees.
Speaker 3: And I already did ten fifteen minute show with Mate
Speaker 3: this morning when he called me.
Speaker 2: At six a m. But it was eight am his time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, did I wake you up? And I said,
Speaker 3: you missed by thirty seconds because my alarm just went off.
Speaker 3: So this was just your own two man show. I
Speaker 3: told him, I audience too. You all we did right
Speaker 3: now should have been when we started the show. You
Speaker 3: need to be here, and he goes, oh, I gotta
Speaker 3: wait till the pads come on.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and the pads will come on on Monday.
Speaker 2: I got a ramp up period, of course, by NFL rules,
Speaker 2: according to the CBA, And of course the team arrived
Speaker 2: here in Oxnard on Monday. We had the State of
Speaker 2: the Cowboys press conference yesterday. We've already had breaking news
Speaker 2: here in the first thirty six hours here, and it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun as we go along here as the
Speaker 2: Cowboys of course, will be here for the next going
Speaker 2: on three weeks, and then the first preseason game back
Speaker 2: home in Jacksonville, then another week here. So all told,
Speaker 2: it'll be four weeks here in Oxnard, and goodness, before
Speaker 2: that second preseason game at Seattle, they will be breaking camp.
Speaker 2: But wow, it's it's just great to have football back again.
Speaker 3: Yes it is, and it's been a while. And unfortunately
Speaker 3: these first few practices are basically mini camp practices, so
Speaker 3: no contact.
Speaker 2: They might be better than the current mini camp practices
Speaker 2: are though, just because they're not, they've scaled back mini
Speaker 2: camp practice.
Speaker 3: Well, they probably scale back this because they all want
Speaker 3: to get fined again for too much physicality, right, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't want the defensive backs trying to break up
Speaker 3: passes or anything forbid.
Speaker 2: By the way, you can go online and see the
Speaker 2: restrictions that are in the CBA. It's there very specific
Speaker 2: as to what all the teams can do during this
Speaker 2: first four day period. Then there's a mandatory day off
Speaker 2: of the players, which will be on the fifth day,
Speaker 2: which in the Cowboys case will be Sunday, and then
Speaker 2: they'll put the pads on on Monday. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So we'll go through this basically. What we'll be
Speaker 3: able to find out here in a couple hours is
Speaker 3: just sort of how they're lining up different guys on
Speaker 3: the different units. Mike McCarthy already said that they would
Speaker 3: start the offensive line like they left off in the
Speaker 3: mini camp, so that kind of gave us a clue
Speaker 3: of what they're going to do. And I guess that
Speaker 3: suggests that Tyron Smith will be at left tackle and
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith will be at left guard, and then we'll
Speaker 3: go from there until we get to right guard, where
Speaker 3: Zach Martin, unless he showed up right and early this morning,
Speaker 3: was not on the charter flight.
Speaker 2: And that's one of two major stories that we have here,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to Terrance Steele as well. The other
Speaker 2: thing yesterday the Cowboys place the second round draft pick,
Speaker 2: the tight end Luke schoon Maker on n f I.
Speaker 2: He had a previously existing planter fascia issue his foot
Speaker 2: that he's been dealing with throughout the off season. And
Speaker 2: then Jordan Lewis, the veteran cornerback coming off the Liz
Speaker 2: Frank fracture last season, as expected, starts training camp on pup.
Speaker 3: And then and and that was it. You know, there
Speaker 3: was Terrance Steele is active, and he's active. I don't
Speaker 3: know ready he is, I was told not as ready
Speaker 3: as maybe you want him to. But the deal is,
Speaker 3: when you put a guy on pup, he can't do
Speaker 3: anything with the team. He's got to be away and
Speaker 3: the only and the only person he can work with
Speaker 3: is the trainer or strength coaches. Can't even interact with
Speaker 3: his position coach. So they I felt like he was
Speaker 3: far enough along that they weren't worried about a relapse
Speaker 3: or anything. But maybe not ready to start. Although what
Speaker 3: they do early, he might be able to do some
Speaker 3: of that, but they felt like by time a week
Speaker 3: or so passes that he should be good to go,
Speaker 3: but they're gonna ease him in, right, same thing with
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard, Gonna ease him in. You're not trying to
Speaker 3: win the super Bowl week one of training camp. You
Speaker 3: need these guys ready to start the season. So they
Speaker 3: feel pretty good about both guys being ready to start
Speaker 3: the season, but just maybe not do everything the start
Speaker 3: of training camp.
Speaker 2: All right, So I mentioned the two major stories that
Speaker 2: became official yesterday, although it leaked out last week about
Speaker 2: Zach Martin and then Trayvon Diggs signed to a long
Speaker 2: term contract that was huge for the Cowboys. We'll get
Speaker 2: to Zach in just a second, but let's start with
Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs. Here a five year contracts extension ninety seven
Speaker 2: million dollars that can get up to one hundred million,
Speaker 2: twenty one point twenty five million dollars signing bonus. It
Speaker 2: was huge to get Draymond Diggs signed before camp started.
Speaker 3: And even more important to him forty two point three
Speaker 3: million guarantee you And that's what we always look at right.
Speaker 3: So you know, we got to see with the incentives,
Speaker 3: it can get just a little bit more than one
Speaker 3: hundred million, but we got to see how it's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, how it's mapped out. So but the big
Speaker 3: thing is forty two point three million. I would imagine
Speaker 3: with half of that guarantee a signing bonus that you know,
Speaker 3: it could be three years something and then there's those
Speaker 3: big base salaries at the end. So we'll see. But
Speaker 3: by time those base salaries would hit, the salary caps
Speaker 3: going up, and it's going up huge next year. It
Speaker 3: may go up twenty five thirty million next year when
Speaker 3: the TV new TV contract hits in. So that's how
Speaker 3: they're structuring contracts going forward. But that's huge to get
Speaker 3: him done because you can only next year franchise one guy,
Speaker 3: and you got to think about you you're gonna have
Speaker 3: Terrence Steele unless they can get him signed to a
Speaker 3: long term deal. Look at his position and what exactlyise
Speaker 3: and I saw online somewhere where they estimate market value,
Speaker 3: and that someone estimated his market value at thirteen million
Speaker 3: dollars a year, and it's like, well, if it's that much,
Speaker 3: then Matt will let's go better get ready because they're
Speaker 3: probably not gonna pay both starting offensive tackles that kind
Speaker 3: of money. So they would like to sign him to
Speaker 3: a long term deal. They wanted to sign Tony Pollard
Speaker 3: to a long term deal. My information was they were
Speaker 3: working on a three year deal. They couldn't come to
Speaker 3: an agreement on a total. So he's gonna play ten
Speaker 3: million do on the franchise tag. But he'll be a
Speaker 3: free agent too next year, so you got to factor
Speaker 3: that in. Tyler Biattish is on the final year of
Speaker 3: his contract, so they've got some contract stuff to still
Speaker 3: work on. Uh ceedee. Lamb would be going into his
Speaker 3: fifth year option that they picked up at seventeen million.
Speaker 3: They would like to sign him to a long term deal.
Speaker 3: And then Dak Prescott's gonna come along too, So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's this is his third year already, right. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 3: they've got some things that they got to take care of.
Speaker 3: They're not panicking. And I saw somebody already pointing out, well,
Speaker 3: don't worry about the future, spend your money now. Well, okay,
Speaker 3: that's fine, but there is a salary cap this year too.
Speaker 2: And I think it's big from the Cowboys perspective, and
Speaker 2: I like from Trayvon's perspective too, that he decided to
Speaker 2: take this deal. I think I read where it makes
Speaker 2: it his average per season, which is a little shade
Speaker 2: over nineteen million a season. With the extension, it would
Speaker 2: make him the fifth highest paid cornerback in the league.
Speaker 2: You know, his ego could have got the best of him.
Speaker 2: I want to be paid for the best, and he
Speaker 2: understands the situation that he has here. I think he
Speaker 2: understands and he understands the the market. He understands the
Speaker 2: you know with the Cowboys, his marketability himself, and the
Speaker 2: money that he can make aside from his contract. He's
Speaker 2: in a very good position here, and so I just
Speaker 2: I think it's a very mature way to approach his
Speaker 2: future and you know, set his family up for generations.
Speaker 3: So you said it averaged nineteen something a shade last
Speaker 3: nineteen Okay, so we looked up, well.
Speaker 2: Five years, ninety seven million. I guess it's the it's
Speaker 2: the extension part of that, not his current contract. It
Speaker 2: factored into that, right would be what nineteen point.
Speaker 3: Five because he's I think he's at four point three
Speaker 3: base salary right this year so we looked up what
Speaker 3: the franchise tag would be this year for a cornerback
Speaker 3: and it was eighteen point one million. So if he's
Speaker 3: averaging nineteen, they're looking at well, if he was franchised
Speaker 3: this year and then next year, you got to do
Speaker 3: twenty percent more, so that would be around twenty one
Speaker 3: to twenty two million.
Speaker 2: You know, if both sides want to get a deal done,
Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to figure out what the money will be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: space off, you know, Okay, well here's the franchise tag
Speaker 2: number now and what it would be perhaps this year,
Speaker 2: and you kind of work off of that and you
Speaker 2: can figure out where it needs to be.
Speaker 3: And that's why when I see this, well just just
Speaker 3: sign these guys. Well it's got to be you know,
Speaker 3: good for both sides. Right, And they wanted to say
Speaker 3: everybody's like, well the Cowboys didn't want to pay a
Speaker 3: running back. Well they did, but they wanted to pay
Speaker 3: them within reason.
Speaker 2: And now look around the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see what's happening to the running backs. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's not like they devalued. They were trying to
Speaker 3: make an investment going forward. And from Tony Pollard's standpoint,
Speaker 3: you know, these guys that want to bet on themselves
Speaker 3: and play on a one year deal, and you take
Speaker 3: a chance on injury, and then you go into free
Speaker 3: agency with an injury, right, and then how do you
Speaker 3: market yourself? The other thing is is he's got to
Speaker 3: look at the market value for running backs going forward.
Speaker 3: He's going to be twenty seven next year. Now, is
Speaker 3: somebody going to give him more than a two or
Speaker 3: three year deal going forward for a running back? No,
Speaker 3: because twenty eight years old is usually the line of
Speaker 3: demarcation between being very productive and starting to regress.
Speaker 2: Now, five years in the league and now they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have the same number of carries that Zeke had rightly
Speaker 2: after his first five years in the league. But he's
Speaker 2: getting into that range there where, Okay, he you know,
Speaker 2: the average career span for a starting running back, especially
Speaker 2: in the NFL, right, you know, got to be south
Speaker 2: of four years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And then the other thing you've got to
Speaker 3: also factor in and just think of what nearly happened
Speaker 3: to Dak Prescott playing on the franchise tag. He has
Speaker 3: that gruesome injury. If it was worse, the Cowboys would like, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: you know, but we'll let you go into free agency
Speaker 3: and see what somebody wants to sign you, not knowing
Speaker 3: that when free agency begins, you can't walk into anybody's
Speaker 3: facility without some sort of artificial assistance, right, So that
Speaker 3: hurts your market value. So yeah, you got to be
Speaker 3: careful saying yeah, I'm gonna play on this franchise tag.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that brings us to Zach Martin and ye,
Speaker 2: so what do you think is going on here with
Speaker 2: Zach Martin?
Speaker 3: Well, he wants he wants an extension. Basically, he wants
Speaker 3: more money. Right now. When he signed that contract, that
Speaker 3: was a pretty darn good contract, it was what six years,
Speaker 3: eighty four million dollars, and so as you move along,
Speaker 3: contracts increase, right. But I saw a deal where and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it meant, but it said his
Speaker 3: contract value. It didn't say how they valued it, but
Speaker 3: it was the second highest next to Lindstrom's that was
Speaker 3: one hundred and two million that he just signed, right,
Speaker 3: So I don't.
Speaker 2: Of course, as far as interior offensive yeah, or guards.
Speaker 3: Guards, that's what I meant. Yeah, And so now it
Speaker 3: reminds me of the story I've told you before about
Speaker 3: Greg Ellis. He signed a long term deal like six
Speaker 3: seven million, and then a year or two later, the
Speaker 3: market for defensive ends went way up, and he kind
Speaker 3: of was butt hurt because he felt like he was underpaid.
Speaker 3: And uh, we were at a lunch bill and you know,
Speaker 3: Pat Summer all well, God rest his soul, and we
Speaker 3: were He was wanting to know why why is Greg
Speaker 3: ellis upset? And I was explaining to him that when
Speaker 3: he signed his contract, he signed too long and then
Speaker 3: the market value for defensive ends went up, but he
Speaker 3: still had two years left on his old contract. And
Speaker 3: I said something like I said, well, I said, unfortunately
Speaker 3: for Greg, he came along too soon. And some are
Speaker 3: all in his deep voice goes, we all came along
Speaker 3: too soon. So that's kind of what's happening with Zach
Speaker 3: Martin right now. And you know, he's what thirty thirty
Speaker 3: two now, I believe going on thirty three.
Speaker 2: He will be thirty three November twentieth.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Tyron Smith will be thirty three Undercember,
Speaker 3: so he's the oldest.
Speaker 2: He's older, Yeah, Tyron Smith, even though Tyron came into
Speaker 2: the league three years before Zach Martin and did of course,
Speaker 2: Tyron came in as the ninth overall pick in twenty
Speaker 2: eleven after just three years at USC and Zach Martin
Speaker 2: was already what a twenty four year old out of
Speaker 2: Notre Dame when he was the sixteenth pick in the
Speaker 2: draft in twenty fourth So I think, you know, I
Speaker 2: think I think Zach looks at what's happened with Tyron.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The difference here, obviously, over the last three years, Tyron
Speaker 2: has had a difficult time to staying on the field,
Speaker 2: and Zach, another credit to his future Hall of Fame status,
Speaker 2: is he very, very very rarely misses games. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you look, you look just across the room, the offensive
Speaker 2: line room, and you see what's happened with Tyron's contract.
Speaker 2: And you know, Zach, if he has an injury plagued
Speaker 2: year or something like that, he could be in the
Speaker 2: same boat here in a couple of years when his
Speaker 2: contract or next year, when he's going into.
Speaker 3: Last year, next year, the last one. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: that's what he's looking at. And you know, this didn't
Speaker 3: just happen. They talked him a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: about trying to work out an extension. And now I'm
Speaker 3: thinking back to the OTAs in mini camp when he
Speaker 3: was just basically rehabbing, he said a little soft tissue
Speaker 3: something maybe not right. He might have been making the
Speaker 3: first volley at a renegotiation there in the off season.
Speaker 3: And really for this first week, he's not going to
Speaker 3: miss anything except for money. Yeah. Well, and from what
Speaker 3: I keep reading, for a veteran under contract, fifty dollars
Speaker 3: a day and it's not supposed to be waived either.
Speaker 3: Before you could say, oh that's okay, well, it's I
Speaker 3: think in the CBA that you've got to pay that.
Speaker 3: So now you can negotiate that into the extensions obviously, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but otherwise it's a fine, right, So but we'll see
Speaker 3: where that goes. I think they'll figure that out. I
Speaker 3: don't see him missing any game time, and yeah, gosh,
Speaker 3: he's so good he can probably miss alli training camp
Speaker 3: and still be Zach Martin as long as you stay healthy,
Speaker 3: right right.
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Speaker 2: John McLean a veteran reporter down in Houston. He grew
Speaker 2: up a Cowboys fan, I believe, and went to Baylor
Speaker 2: or whatever, but of course he's covered Houston sports for decades.
Speaker 2: He tweeted this just moments ago. I love training camp.
Speaker 2: My first was nineteen seventy seven. I feel like I
Speaker 2: did on the first day of school. Every year, the
Speaker 2: start of Texans camp means we're one step closer to
Speaker 2: the start of the season. We can say that about
Speaker 2: Cowboys camp too, And Jerry was talking about it at
Speaker 2: the press conference. In fact, he was the last question
Speaker 2: basically of the press conference yesterday. He was talking about
Speaker 2: the drive in every year and sentimentally gets and it
Speaker 2: gets to his room here and then he you know,
Speaker 2: settles into his room, then he slips out the back
Speaker 2: door and sleeps at the billboard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was great. Well, So Jerry's first
Speaker 3: training camp.
Speaker 2: Was eighty nine, ye in the ten thousand Oaks and
Speaker 2: the next year they went to.
Speaker 3: Austin eighty nine, makes this about thirty five.
Speaker 2: It's thirty four years. And this is the seventeenth year
Speaker 2: now that the team has trained in uh Oxnard. And
Speaker 2: of course there were a few years in there that
Speaker 2: they split training camp right between San Antonio and Oxnard
Speaker 2: and had had the one year COVID year obviously was
Speaker 2: in Frisco. But basically the Oxnard journey began I think
Speaker 2: twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3: So when does when was your first.
Speaker 2: My first training camp was nineteen eighty two this year,
Speaker 2: working for a television station in Lubbock and had the
Speaker 2: great fortune of having a news director who loved the
Speaker 2: cowboys and so it was not a hard sell at
Speaker 2: all for us to come out the Thousand Oaks.
Speaker 3: For a week.
Speaker 2: And it's just amazing how things have changed over the
Speaker 2: decades and even how we do business. And you know,
Speaker 2: when you know we're sitting here doing a podcast. Right
Speaker 2: when we get done here, I'm going to do something
Speaker 2: with Mickey for CBS where I've got Mickey. They have
Speaker 2: supplied me with two wireless microphones.
Speaker 3: And I used my phone to did you get the
Speaker 3: little stand for your I got a little tripower for
Speaker 3: the phone and everything. We're going to set that up afterwards.
Speaker 2: But getting back to nineteen eighty two, back in that day,
Speaker 2: we used to come out and cover training camp and
Speaker 2: each day we would then drive to Lax from Thousand
Speaker 2: Oaks and it was a good hour, especially through LA traffic,
Speaker 2: and put our tape on a plane that they would
Speaker 2: send it back to, in that case Lubbock, so I
Speaker 2: would get there like the next day and they put
Speaker 2: the story together.
Speaker 3: Back then, I remember that. I mean, my first camp
Speaker 3: was eighty five, so I've done every one except eighty
Speaker 3: eight since then. And so eighty five, eighty five is
Speaker 3: your first week, Okay, So like thirty I think it
Speaker 3: comes to about thirty eight years and this year and
Speaker 3: so yeah, I remember being in Thousand Oaks and the
Speaker 3: TV stations making drives to LA, the Cowboys sending stuff
Speaker 3: back and they had to go to LA to put
Speaker 3: it on some overnight service and then get it.
Speaker 2: To this And then by the time Jerry bought the
Speaker 2: team in eighty nine, most everybody had satellite trucks Big
Speaker 2: Oaks right drive, Yeah, or in a thousand Oaks, I
Speaker 2: guess for one two thousand Oaks. And then in fact,
Speaker 2: the satellite trucks were still a thing even.
Speaker 3: When we came here. We returned right for sure.
Speaker 2: And then here in the last decade, I mean literally
Speaker 2: TV camera meant they have little boxes about that big
Speaker 2: called a live view unit that they were able to
Speaker 2: transmit what they're shooting media here on the field that
Speaker 2: immediately goes live back to the TV station. So but
Speaker 2: it's just I mean the whole Yeah, you think about
Speaker 2: it when you come out here, and it's it's great
Speaker 2: to be have this access and be out here and
Speaker 2: so forth, but it's also a grind. I mean, the
Speaker 2: day starts early and ends late. But there are so
Speaker 2: many you get into a mindset that you're at summer camp,
Speaker 2: right basically now it's like you're a kid at summer camp.
Speaker 2: And there are so many great memories through the years
Speaker 2: of what happened or what has happened at training camp.
Speaker 3: We could write books, right, Yeah, you said, you know,
Speaker 3: John was talking about like the first day of school.
Speaker 3: So Monday when we were getting ready to charter flight
Speaker 3: and it was at one o'clock and I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was anxiety or anticipation. I woke up at
Speaker 3: five in the morning. We couldn't go back to sleep,
Speaker 3: but I'm going come on. So uh now we're you know,
Speaker 3: still on sleeping on Central time, but we're living on
Speaker 3: Pacific Coast time, and it's uh, it takes about almost
Speaker 3: a week to get used to it, the time change anyway.
Speaker 2: And then you have to get used to it when
Speaker 2: you get back home. All right, team on the practice
Speaker 2: field today, what are some of the things that you're
Speaker 2: looking for just in terms of uh, you know, position
Speaker 2: battles during camp and that sort of thing that that
Speaker 2: you want to get, you know, and to get started.
Speaker 3: We had a question on Dallas Cowboys dot com for today.
Speaker 3: Some of the question was what under the radar position
Speaker 3: battle are you looking at? And I go, well, first
Speaker 3: of all, there's nothing under the radar with the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: And second of all, once the offensive line is settled,
Speaker 3: and assuming if Thailand Tyron Smith is playing left tackle
Speaker 3: at the level we're used to seeing him, meaning Tyler
Speaker 3: Smith can play left guard, I mean the battles are
Speaker 3: for backup spots and roster spots other than kicker. Now,
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep an eye on the kicker. Right, We're
Speaker 3: gonna sit there and chart every kick those guys have
Speaker 3: between Tristan Viscayano and Brandon Aubrey that they signed after
Speaker 3: the offseason workouts. He'd been in the USFL and kicked
Speaker 3: awfully well, which is a really good story.
Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Gelk in the Morning News, I
Speaker 2: give credit to him. He's got a great story today
Speaker 2: on Brandon Aubrey and his journey. He played for the
Speaker 2: Cowboys when he was five years old.
Speaker 3: Right, but he's soccer, but he played soccer at Plano.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Hey, I played soccer at Plano. Was scholarship
Speaker 3: soccer athlete at Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: By the way, and what did Notre Dame do his
Speaker 2: first year when he was a freshman at Notre Dame
Speaker 2: National National championship.
Speaker 3: And he got dryfted into professional soccer soccer Major League Soccer.
Speaker 2: He was a first round draft pick of Toronto FC.
Speaker 2: What did they do his rookie season? They won the
Speaker 2: MLS Cup title and then he and and it's long
Speaker 2: story how he didn't transferred over to football. But with
Speaker 2: the Birmingham Stallions in the USFL, what did they.
Speaker 3: Do his first year and second year and second year
Speaker 3: they won the USFL championship And and do you know
Speaker 3: who his kicking coach was at Birmingham the second year?
Speaker 2: You tell me Chris Boniell. That's who I was going
Speaker 2: to guess, but I wanted you to have that honor.
Speaker 3: Thank you since I got a text from Chris boniall
Speaker 3: after they signed him and it said, darn you just
Speaker 3: signed my kicker. And I was like, what's he talking about?
Speaker 3: The kicking special teams coach in Birmingham And it's like, well,
Speaker 3: how did you get that job? And he goes Skip
Speaker 3: Holtz is that was the head coach. So Skip Holtz
Speaker 3: caught coached all those years at LA Tech and Boniol
Speaker 3: that's where he went to college. So there was a
Speaker 3: connection with LA Tech.
Speaker 2: There always is a connection.
Speaker 3: So I wrote about it on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 3: Boniol was really high on him. He said he he's
Speaker 3: got the leg, he's got the talent, he's got the demeanor,
Speaker 3: and he said the last thing I told him before
Speaker 3: he left was now, you've got to compete, because that's
Speaker 3: what it comes down to. It's competition. And you're not
Speaker 3: just competing with Vis Guyano. You're competing with the rest
Speaker 3: of the league and anybody else out there that doesn't
Speaker 3: have a job. And I said, you think he can
Speaker 3: handle it. He said, he handled it so far, I said,
Speaker 3: And we ended up talking on the phone and I said,
Speaker 3: so can when he when he competes. You know, you
Speaker 3: got to have the right temperament, right, And he goes, oh,
Speaker 3: he's got that. I said, Now, the hard part is
Speaker 3: they're trying to replace a kicker, and the Cowboys are
Speaker 3: going to have trouble with this. That made ninety percent
Speaker 3: of his field goals last year. You don't find those
Speaker 3: guys just walking on the street. And Boniol goes, my
Speaker 3: guy made ninety two percent of his field coat.
Speaker 2: He was He was fourteen for fifteen on field goals
Speaker 2: this year with birmingam Riam mean, he was thirty five
Speaker 2: for thirty five on extra points.
Speaker 3: And and and so here here's all this stuff works.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember Kevin Holtz. He worked
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys back in the early nineties, son of
Speaker 3: Lou Holtz, right, And so I mentioned that Skip Holtz
Speaker 3: was Aubrey's head coach in Birmingham. So he and he goes, oh,
Speaker 3: I just saw the story about the kicker and you
Speaker 3: know my brother and everything he goes, he goes. You
Speaker 3: know how he got started because Skip. The only reason
Speaker 3: Skip knew about him was John Carney. Carne was doing
Speaker 3: kicking the trainers. Well, when this guy decided Aubrey he
Speaker 3: wanted to get into football, Carney ended up being his
Speaker 3: his mentor his teacher. And if I'm remember reading the story,
Speaker 3: Carne and I'd have to look this up if I remember,
Speaker 3: I didn't write it down. Carne had a connection with
Speaker 3: his dad somewhere along the line Arkansas or Notre Dame
Speaker 3: and uh, and so there was all these connection with
Speaker 3: Brandon Aubrey, who we probably I watched that championship game, right,
Speaker 3: I just but I didn't know who he was or
Speaker 3: what he was doing.
Speaker 2: I watched it looking for a kicker. I said, Well,
Speaker 2: as I watched, and I said, I guarantee you John
Speaker 2: Fossil was watching this well. And of course, and of
Speaker 2: course Cavante Turpin came out of the US last year,
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, they they've got they've got to
Speaker 2: have their eye on somebody, because otherwise they would have
Speaker 2: signed another ricer.
Speaker 3: And they kept saying, we were watching everything right. Well,
Speaker 3: what they meant when John said that was Boniol told
Speaker 3: me he came to one of their games to scout
Speaker 3: Aubrey in person. So it was pretty pretty good that
Speaker 3: the connections there. And uh, you know, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: the Cowboys probably checked with Boniol and you know, what's
Speaker 3: this guy got and he said he had talked to
Speaker 3: Fossil about it, and.
Speaker 2: Uh, John Carney went to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: He did what it was? Yeah, okay, so that was
Speaker 3: the connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, connection from nineteen eighty seven. It's
Speaker 2: amazing how this stuff works. And by the way, the
Speaker 2: last time Brandon Aubrey before the Birmingham Stallions, the last
Speaker 2: time he played for a football team, meaning an American
Speaker 2: football team, not soccer, was in middle school in Plano,
Speaker 2: Shimmelfing Middle School in Plano. He was the kicker and
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 3: They have kickers in junior high now they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So can't wait to feature him on the
Speaker 2: preseason game.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I can't wait to talk to him when
Speaker 3: he gets out.
Speaker 2: Here's right, all right, time for another break and we
Speaker 2: will continue with more mix shots here in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: who's supposed to say I was supposed to set you
Speaker 3: up for that. And interesting, I came up with this
Speaker 3: interesting thought about the Cowboys having gone twelve and five,
Speaker 3: twelve and five. It was their first double digit victory
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Speaker 3: we wanted to go. He goes, you can't label everything
Speaker 3: when you come up short a failure. And he used
Speaker 3: the example of Michael Jordan. You know, however many years
Speaker 3: he played and they think they won six championships. He says,
Speaker 3: so all the other years for Michael Jordan were failures.
Speaker 3: And so I asked dan Quinn about it, and dan
Speaker 3: Quinn had an interesting thought. He goes, we have to
Speaker 3: address that. And he goes, and the way I explain
Speaker 3: it to is, you're climbing a mountain, and he goes,
Speaker 3: you're not starting from the bottom. You're starting from the
Speaker 3: base camp, like where that's kind of where you left off,
Speaker 3: and now you've got to make the climb. And you
Speaker 3: don't talk about failure. He goes, I never used that word.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy said, never use that word. So, but for
Speaker 3: the cowboys, they've got to be able to start from scratch.
Speaker 3: But it's not starting from the bottom. You're starting from
Speaker 3: where you you were. Now you got to keep improving.
Speaker 3: And he goes, in that way, they're on the front porch, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the front porch, right, they're on the front porch. They're
Speaker 3: not on the on the grass, right, they took the
Speaker 3: steps up to the front porch.
Speaker 2: I thought Mike McCarthy was about to quote bum Phillips. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I know when he went down that road
Speaker 2: about banging down the door, the door down. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: goes way back to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he was with the Oilers and Oilers couldn't get.
Speaker 2: To Cowboy Mike Renfro who previously was with the Houston Oilers.
Speaker 2: He was actually in bounds and he was out of bound.
Speaker 2: Stealer fans will say otherwise. But uh, And then they
Speaker 2: came home to the Astrodome and in front of a
Speaker 2: large crowd of the Astrodome, Bum Philip said, uh, they're
Speaker 2: going to kick the kick the door down next year
Speaker 2: with so many words, yeah, something like but you got
Speaker 2: to be on the porch to kick the door down.
Speaker 2: And so I think that's way Mike McCarthy looked at it.
Speaker 2: There are so that story's in, by the way, in
Speaker 2: that preview magazine. By the way, there are players around
Speaker 2: the league as camp kicks off here kicking the financial
Speaker 2: door down at their local bank. And justin Herbert the
Speaker 2: Latest yesterday as he gets a five year two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two million dollar exten point five Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll forget the point five five hundred thousand dollars the
Speaker 2: bill and averages out to what fifty two and a
Speaker 2: half a year. So as far as the average salary goes,
Speaker 2: he's up there at the top. And Joe Burrow, you're
Speaker 2: now on the clock.
Speaker 3: Uh. And so we thought when Lamar Jackson signed his
Speaker 3: five year deal that tops at two sixty. We thought
Speaker 3: when Hurt signed his it was two fifty five. So
Speaker 3: as you see, it keeps going up. And Deck's got
Speaker 3: what two years left on his deal?
Speaker 2: That's right into dex sees.
Speaker 3: That, and I have another guy missing the beginning of
Speaker 3: training camp.
Speaker 2: I just saw this Patrick Mahomes now and his his
Speaker 2: contract is yeah, so outdated. Right, he is the average
Speaker 2: salary per year. He ranks third in his division. That's good, right,
Speaker 2: But no one justin Herbert and Russell Wilson, no one else.
Speaker 3: Has got a twenty year contract or whatever the hell
Speaker 3: it was with.
Speaker 2: Eight ten something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Giants have signed their left tackle Andrew Thomas to
Speaker 2: an extension a neighborhood of one hundred and seventeen million.
Speaker 2: So a lot of teams getting things done right now.
Speaker 2: But there are some holdouts around the league too, not
Speaker 2: only Zach Martin here, but also Nick Bosa in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: Chris Jones in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: You're holding it's all about the money.
Speaker 2: Never Jerry say in the press conference that he never
Speaker 2: never saw a player or walk away unhappy after We're
Speaker 2: going for the money.
Speaker 3: Right, well, and just think about how it's increased. I remember,
Speaker 3: uh that year in Thousand Oaks, we were waiting for
Speaker 3: Tony Dorset to show up.
Speaker 2: I think it might see those those training camp holdouts
Speaker 2: were some of the greatest memories you have of training
Speaker 2: camps or.
Speaker 3: When or when he showed up in eighty six after
Speaker 3: they signed herschel Walker to a one million dollars a
Speaker 3: year contract that was unheard of out of the US, right,
Speaker 3: and so Dorset shows up and everybody asked him, what
Speaker 3: did you think about the Cowboys signing herschel Walker And
Speaker 3: he said, feel like a million dollar man. He was
Speaker 3: already negotiating for a pay right.
Speaker 2: And then there was the Randy White hold out one
Speaker 2: year and he was fishing in East Texas.
Speaker 3: It was late twokeny, I think okay, and and somebody
Speaker 3: was fishing there that I think worked at either the
Speaker 3: Fort Worth Paper or the Dallas Times Herald, and they
Speaker 3: ran into Randy fishing on the lake. Because everybody was
Speaker 3: looking for him, they couldn't find him, right, he just
Speaker 3: went out there and got out in East Texas and
Speaker 3: was fishing as he was holding out that year.
Speaker 2: All right, two minute warning goes to both benches here
Speaker 2: as we wrap up this edition of Mixed Shots. You
Speaker 2: got a partying mix shot for us today.
Speaker 3: You know what we were talking about under the radar,
Speaker 3: you know position battles, and I think maybe the most
Speaker 3: under the well, I don't know if it's under the radar,
Speaker 3: but it's Tony Pollard and who at running back? And
Speaker 3: I think that'll be one that we keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: And I still got in the back of my mind
Speaker 3: that Ezekiel Elliot hasn't signed with anybody.
Speaker 2: He has not signed with anybody, and he's still outright.
Speaker 2: Then we're seeing more and more with each passing day
Speaker 2: what the running back market looks like.
Speaker 3: Who just signed for three million dollars? Somebody one of
Speaker 3: those guys, one of the running backs that was out there,
Speaker 3: signed for for three million year deal too.
Speaker 2: Darrenton Evans signed with Buffalo yesterday because they lost Nahim
Speaker 2: Hines to an injury. He okay, this was a non
Speaker 2: football injury. He's sitting on his jet ski at the lake.
Speaker 2: I saw that and someone crashes into him and he
Speaker 2: tears his a cl.
Speaker 3: So now they're going to put in contracts no jet skis.
Speaker 3: So so that's my parting shot. You got one.
Speaker 2: I'm just excited to be out on the to be
Speaker 2: able to watch guys on out out on the football field,
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's there's always something that happens, you know, and
Speaker 2: these as you as you put it, you know, the
Speaker 2: under the radar piss battles. These teams are all put
Speaker 2: together during the off season, correct, starting with the new
Speaker 2: league year back in March, and then the draft and
Speaker 2: now it's it's just very interesting to follow it as
Speaker 2: things happen. You know, they're player gets tweaked, injury, tweak,
Speaker 2: you know, not a season ending thing when they need
Speaker 2: a reinforcement at that position. Or well, this rookie that
Speaker 2: we drafted, maybe he won't be ready. Maybe you know,
Speaker 2: we haven't the third rounder that we thought might be
Speaker 2: able to push somebody. Maybe we need veteran help there, right, Cowboys,
Speaker 2: look at their offensive line, what's going on there as
Speaker 2: far as the health of the players, and do they
Speaker 2: need any more assistance?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Well, if you think back to last year, it was
Speaker 3: training cap right when they brought in Elik Hooker yep,
Speaker 3: and it took a while for him to get going.
Speaker 2: So look how strong that safety position is now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So injuries, as Brad Sham would always say, we
Speaker 3: go to training camp, who gets hurt yep?
Speaker 2: So that's and hopefully nobody gets hurt today on the
Speaker 2: first day of practice out here in a training camp.
Speaker 2: All right, That does it for this edition of Mix Shots.
Speaker 2: The break is coming up here in fifteen minutes and
Speaker 2: we will be back together on Friday morning at eight
Speaker 2: am Pacific time ten am Dallas time. Make it a
Speaker 2: great first day of practice wherever you are, and we'll
Speaker 2: see you again on Friday here on Mixshots.
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