1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: My fourth grade teacher, Miss Eleanor, had her husband take 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: an old TV set that used to sit in a 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: wooden framed cabinet and he took the back panel off 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: and cleaned out all the wires and bulbs and all 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: the inner workings. She then had him bring it dire 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: classroom in nineteen seventy four for us to use to 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: do our book reports. Literally, we got to do our 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: book reports on TV. And for me, it was a 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: complete game changer of whether I hated the idea of 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: giving a book report or I couldn't wait to do it. 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: So for me, that weekly chore became something that I 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: looked forward to because again, not only was I on TV, 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: but one thing we did as a family, especially my 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: four sisters and I, we never missed Mary Tyler Moore. 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: So we just loved the idea of being a news anchor. 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: To me, you know, they were so smart, they were informative. 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: I mean, they were celebrities. So today it means so 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: much to me to have you here, Karen. You are 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: that just epitome of what a news anchor should be. 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Cheryl, You've taught me everything. But I'll take that. 21 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: But it's true You're smart, you're quick on your feet, 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: You're extremely articulate, you can read and absorb and it's 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: just amazing to watch you work. But I tell people 24 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: all the time, and I've said it to you privately, 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: as good as you are on TV, you are better 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: privately when that camera is off. The way you truly 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: love and care for people is amazing. So here's what 28 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: I want the audience today to know about you. You 29 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: are the anchor for WSB Channel two Action News in Atlanta. 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: You are a ten time Emmy Award winner. I believe. 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Is that right? Ten yes and one with you and 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: one with me. You're welcome for that one. I'm sure 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: I had a lot to do with it and not you. 34 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: You are a legend in Atlanta new circles, and not 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: just the new circles, but your volunteer work, your community outreach. 36 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: You're a sorority sister, devoted. You're a wife, loving mother, 37 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: a daughter, a friend. You're part of my Zone seven 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: and have been for twenty years. You are loyal, you 39 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: are trusted, honey. You are battle tested. There's no doubt. 40 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: And when it comes to working scenes, I mean, Karen, 41 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: I've told people I don't know how many times that 42 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: when I watched some of these crimes shows and the 43 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: hummer pulls up and a sexy leg and a stiletto 44 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: heel comes out, you know that that's just not realistic. 45 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: Until I worked with you, and when you came on 46 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: a live scene with knee high Gucci boots, I thought, well, 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I can't ever say that again because I've seen somebody 48 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: work or crime saying looking sexy. I've seen it, so 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: I can't say that anymore. But we worked Melissa Wolfenberger together, 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and that's what we're here to talk about today. So 51 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: Karen Greer, welcome to Zone seven. So excited to be 52 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: a part of Zone seven. Let me fix something here. 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: I had those boots on because I was in between shows. 54 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: So I met you in the middle of my shift. 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: That's when I was doing early mornings and came out. 56 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: We hung out for a couple of hours and I 57 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: went back to work. So I learned after that to 58 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: bring other boots. Yes, And I've also seen you do 59 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: such a quick change that you were live on air 60 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: doing the news, ran out, did a quick thing with 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: me on seen, ran back, and then the next thing 62 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I know, you're walking out in an evening gown. Yeah. 63 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean you're one of the hardest working people I've 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: ever met. I don't know that you've ever told any 65 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: nonprofit no and everybody benefits when you show up. So again, 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: thank you. Well, I'm honored to work on this, Cheryl, 67 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: because you know, the Wolfenberger the family has been amazing 68 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: and her whole disappearance, what happened? How long it's taken 69 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: to just get any answers and we're still waiting for 70 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: answers A twenty one year old You know, I look 71 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: at my children, your children twenty one, twenty two, and 72 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: to disappear in nineteen ninety eight, where you live with 73 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: your husband and your two children, and nobody really knew anything. 74 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: That's just bizarre. It is bizarre. And ask you, now 75 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: you've covered this case for a long long time. When 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: you cover a case like this, do you have a 77 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: method or do you just kind of keep it fluid 78 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: and as witnesses come up or people want to be interviewed, 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: how do you operate? Try and keep it fluid because 80 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: as you know, people will, you know, sometimes say I 81 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: saw something, I know something. So you don't want to 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: ever discount some of those people who will contact you 83 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: about your story because we have you, as you know, 84 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: heard from people who had a tidbit had some information 85 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: for us. So I just try and keep it open 86 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: and try and encourage people to be a part of 87 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: our investigation. Work this with us, because it takes a 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: village to solve some of these Oh, there's no doubt 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: about that. And I think you hit on something really 90 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: important that I want to explore. A lot of times 91 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: people will talk to you when they won't talk to 92 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: the police. So the Karen Greer that comes into their 93 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: home every night, they do know you. They are connected 94 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: to you, they feel like and they see you so 95 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: much and listen to your point of view and the 96 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: way you, you know, talk on TV. I think that 97 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: they trust you. I know that they trust you, and 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: sometimes if they don't trust law enforcement, you have an 99 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: end where a lot of times the police don't. And 100 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: I think that's powerful. I've worked more than thirty years, 101 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: three decades in this market, and I've worked hard to 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: be a trusted source, someone people feel comfortable talking to, 103 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: that you weren't afraid of sitting down with me, that 104 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: you you know, knew that I was going to be 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: fair and honest. So I do love that, and you know, 106 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: I love the way you've guided me into walking crime scenes. 107 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: You can't just say this happened, you know in Southwest Atlanta. 108 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: Go walk over there, see how this happened, See where 109 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: the body was found, see where the house was walk it, 110 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: learn it, be a part of it. And I appreciate 111 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: you for that. Oh honey, listen, there was no better 112 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: time in my career than working with you. So when 113 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: you and I decided we were going to take on 114 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Melissa Wolfenberger, I think we did something pretty good in 115 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: that we brought in a lot of different people at 116 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the same time, which I think was critical. I'm going 117 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: to tell everybody just a little bit and then I 118 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: want you to kind of give your opinion of the 119 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: way we did this. So we got the mama and 120 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: the sister, the assistant disc attorney, Agrian Love, investigator Stein, 121 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Dwayne Thompson who's an expert search away metal detectors, Tray 122 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Sergeant who's an expert work in canine searches, and everybody 123 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: was there so there was no confusion about where something happened, 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: where something was located, what could possibly, you know, be done. Now, 125 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: everybody got to be the collectively and get on the 126 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: same page with can we find additional evidence in the 127 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: case of Melissa Wolfenberger. But something really incredible happened when 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: the assistant distric attorney got on scene. What was that 129 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: care She was amazing. She you know, came in her 130 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: work attire and walked into that wooded area looking for clues. 131 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: She got in there, got dirty, and then had a chance. 132 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: She had a chance to talk to the family, the 133 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: mother and the sister and told them She's not letting 134 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: this go. This this is going to be something that 135 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: she champions because this case is is just unbelievable. Now, 136 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: let's get real. When Adrian Love stood where the skull 137 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: was found and saw its proximity to where the husband worked, 138 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: what was her reaction flabbergasted? Right, she her face told 139 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: it all, told it all. She was literally speechless. And 140 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: what was so fantastic for me in that moment is 141 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: watching Melissa's mama and sister Norma and Tina because they 142 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: knew and that just that one moment they had an 143 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: ally because Adrian Love got mad. She got mad thinking 144 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: that skull is right here and you could put a 145 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: golf ball to the front door of where he worked. 146 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean, she's gonna do something about that. She is 147 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: not playing when it comes to this case. And if 148 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: anybody knows what's going on in Metro Atlanta right now, 149 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: she's on a big crime case now with some rappers here, 150 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: young thug and she is part of that team that 151 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: is prosecuting them. And she is no joke, no joke. 152 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: How she steps in, how she does her homework, and 153 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: know that she's not going to let this go. So 154 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: I love that about her. And she kind of gave 155 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: us an education that you know, this isn't the end 156 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: of this for her. Expect something very soon. So that's 157 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: what we're waiting on at this point, yep. And you know, 158 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: when everybody was there together and got to, you know, 159 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: kind of give their opinion about what should happen next, 160 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: and where we were watching Dwayne search for the Saul 161 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and watching you know, Trace work her dogs, I felt 162 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: like we stand a really good chance of finding something, 163 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: of locating something that might push this thing even further 164 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: than we've gotten right now. Cheryl, those dogs with Trace, 165 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. She got them out 166 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: there on the scent. They charged into that wooded area charged. 167 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean they were dragging her. Oh yeah, they were 168 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: dragging her and they were pulling out things that we 169 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: were surprised. But they went from the front to the 170 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: back of those woods looking and we really were thinking 171 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna find something the way they're digging. And you know, 172 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: with investigators Steyn there, he got to not only understand 173 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: that crime scene three sixty that we talked about three 174 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: sixty one specifically for those that know me, but you know, 175 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: with he and Adrian and you and the mama and 176 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: myself all standing there saying, you know, this is going 177 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: to be something we need to put in our playbook 178 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: and this is where we go from ground zero to 179 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: one to two, to three to four, etc. And it 180 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: reminded me I grew up with a family that ran 181 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: a small business in Atlanta and then it became a 182 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: really incredibly large business. But their daddy, Jean, he would 183 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: always say, let's have an understanding, so we don't have 184 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. And that is another thing that went through 185 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: my mind while we were all standing there. There was 186 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: no doubt out we were all on the same page. 187 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: The media is a tool for law enforcement on cold 188 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: cases period. The media can do things law enforcement just 189 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: can't do, and one of them is reach a ton 190 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: of people with one episode of something. I don't care 191 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: whether it's a story on the nightly news or a 192 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: documentary or something on social media. Typically, your hometown newspaper 193 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: or larger news organizations have more followers than the local 194 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: police department, so again, they can reach people at a 195 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: larger volume, faster. There's no better way to ask for 196 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: the public's help with witnesses with a missing person. Regarding 197 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: reward money, other types of tips, you have to have 198 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: the media's help to reach the most people possible to 199 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: help on cases. People oftentimes will speak to the media 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: when they don't feel comfortable speaking to the police. I've 201 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: seen it over and over. They know that reporter can't 202 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: arrest them. They feel like they know that reporter personally, 203 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: oftentimes because they see them in their home at night 204 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: on the TV, whereas that police officer they've never met 205 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: that person before. The media also has tools of their own, 206 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: such as archives of past interviews and crime scene footage. 207 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: This can be a money tree for law enforcement. If 208 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: you go to your local reporter because you have a 209 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: good work in relationship, or even if you don't you 210 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: want to start one? And you ask them if they 211 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: would let you see crime scene footage from a crime 212 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: that occurred twenty five years ago, fifteen years ago. You 213 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: may see a witness being interviewed that you didn't even 214 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: know existed. They may have a teacher, or a neighbor 215 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: or a boyfriend of the victim that's not in your file. 216 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: It will also give you the benefit of watching footage 217 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: so you can see exactly what the crime scene looked 218 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: like them if it's been built up, if the woods 219 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: have been cut down, and now there's a building where 220 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: the crime scene was. Sometimes law enforcement they might have 221 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: taken a video back then, but maybe they didn't. Maybe 222 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: it's been lost. Maybe you haven't had time to convert it, 223 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: so you don't have anything to watch it on. If 224 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: it's eight millimeter, your local news can help you with that. 225 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl, how does something like this happen? Is 226 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: the biggest question I have in a city like Atlanta. 227 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: You know, a young woman, a mother, a wife, a daughter, 228 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: goes missing. Later we find parts of her body learned 229 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: in doing this. There was so much technology that wasn't 230 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: available back then when this happened, that we knew we 231 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: had to get them to test some of this. Now, 232 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: another important aspect you and I have talked a lot about. 233 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: We've been on different scenes, Nicole Smith specifically. I remember 234 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: we had the conversation that at some point you stopped 235 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: being a news anchor and I stopped being a crime 236 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: scene investigator, and we're just two mamas. That's the only 237 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: way you can see these cases is from that point 238 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: of view, and I think Melissa did that for both 239 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: of us as well, because you being able to craft 240 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: a story to compel action not just of police and 241 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: prosecutors and experts, but the public at large. This was 242 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: not an easy sale. It's a family where the parents 243 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: had been involved in meeting homicides themselves, and now we're 244 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: asking people to care about what happened to their child 245 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: in spite of their past. But you did that so expertly, 246 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: and the love and concern and care that you took 247 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: for Melissa was so apparent that people understood what happened 248 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: to her was a separate issue and needed to be 249 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: looked at because somebody's walking around free. Somebody is walking 250 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: free that beheaded and dismembered a young mother of two, 251 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: And we know Melissa threw no fault of her own. 252 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: She was born into this family, so she had nothing 253 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: to do with the sins of her parents. So you know, 254 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: for what, the cruel way in which she was murdered 255 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: and dismembered, she didn't deserve it. No one deserves that, 256 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: and so it was important for us to tell that 257 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: story so that people didn't blame her. Didn't you look 258 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: at her family situation as a why I no one cared. 259 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: You have to care. I mean, you look at her smile, 260 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: you look at her innocence, you look at her babies 261 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: who are not babies now because this has been so long, 262 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: and it just breaks your heart. It does. And Carl 263 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Patton wrote a letter to the two of us, and 264 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: in that letter he told us that if he had 265 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: had any idea what he had done to those other families, 266 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: he was just young and stupid and he didn't realize 267 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: how he made them feel and how he destroyed their world. 268 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: And he told you and I on that letter that 269 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: ever since Melissa had been murdered, part of what he 270 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: feels every day is just that remorse and guilt towards 271 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: how he destroyed somebody's life. Do you think we'll find 272 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: the torso. You know, s I worry, It's been so 273 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: many years. You know, as we know, there was a 274 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: dog that was pulling back out of the woods, so 275 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: who knows what animals may have literally been in those 276 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: woods and disturbing that evidence. I wondered that we may 277 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: not ever find that torso. But we found it. We 278 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: found her skull, we found her head, which I thought 279 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: was crucial, and the arms and legs, and her arms 280 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and legs, and we talked about perhaps testing those bags, 281 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: finding out where those bags came from. You know, I 282 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: was unseen two weeks ago, and now is almost the 283 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: perfect time to search because all the leaves are off 284 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: the trees and the brush is way back. You can 285 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: see openly all kind of rusted machinery and different items 286 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: that are out there, big items, And you know, I 287 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: don't know that we don't need to get the search 288 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: party back together and go back now. I would love that. 289 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: And we just need to tell people because this case 290 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: is going to be so captivating to them and important. 291 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: You know what, don't really don't don't go on social media, 292 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: don't post what you think you know, don't ask questions. 293 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: Just let the professionals handle this. Let the investigators work 294 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: on this, because we don't want to damage or hurt 295 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the integrity of this case. Oh that's a good point, absolutely, 296 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: And I know you're willing to go back. I know 297 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: the family's willing to go back to Yeah, and I 298 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: know Adrian she'd be all about it too. Pick a 299 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: day before those leaves come back, and you know everything's 300 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: grown over again because that area was grown over. Sure, 301 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: how many years are we talking about? Twenty? Oh? Yeah? 302 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: And you don't I remember most when the dog started pulling, 303 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: and I think it's important to let people know the 304 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: dogs worked independently. She worked them separately. But when that 305 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: first dog went, Trace was right behind them and she 306 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: just disappeared into the kud zoo in the woods. It 307 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: took her all in first. Face first. I think everybody 308 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: remembers Scott Peterson when he was talking to Diane Sawyer 309 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three when he said about his 310 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: missing wife Lacy, she was amazing. I think we all were, like, 311 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: what he just referred to her in past hints? That 312 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: was so important for law enforcement. If he's referring to 313 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: her in past hinse he on some level does not 314 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: believe she's coming home. Why would he not believe that? 315 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: There are people that have worked in the media that 316 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: have done unbelievable work on cases. We all know Woodward 317 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: and Bernstein and what they did when it came to Watergate. 318 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: Karen Greer, who y'all have heard from, She's put cases 319 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: out there that had a positive conclusion. Part of the 320 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: reason it did because Karen would not let these cases go. 321 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: She's going to keep them in the spotlight. So cases 322 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: like Honey Malone, Nicole Smith, and of course Melissa Wolfenberger, 323 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: she keeps them alive in the public. Have you ever 324 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: seen a case like this before in your career three 325 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: decades here in Atlanta. You know, I worked in Charlson, 326 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: South Carolina, Champagne, Illinois, never anything to this degree. It's 327 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: amazing the twists and turns of this case that make 328 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: it so intricate. But it's gonna get solved. You just 329 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: trust us. Oh, I trust it, And I know that 330 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: media is going to be a big part of that, 331 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: because that's what kept this case alive. This case what't 332 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: on anybody's radar. Nobody was talking about it, nobody was 333 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: doing anything about it. Nobody was mad about it, But 334 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: enter Karen Graham and that whole thing changed. You and 335 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: I got a chance to go Nancy Grace and discussed 336 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: this case live at Crime Con. What was that like 337 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: for you? Amazing? That room was awesome of people who 338 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: were like us and care about cold cases, who care 339 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: about helping get to the bottom of things. They were 340 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: trying to give us ideas and things we needed to do. 341 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And I never knew crime true crime. 342 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: These kinds of stories meant so much to so many. 343 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: The audience that really is a part of this are 344 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: die hearts. They really want to make a difference. Yeah, 345 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: it was great, But you know, we sat there and 346 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: you know and Jim Clementi came and sat with us 347 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: and helped out, and Jared Bradley came and sat with 348 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: us and helped out. And you just think all of 349 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: these wonderful people that have come and given us time 350 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: and information. You and I had a chance to work 351 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: with Paul Holes on Nicole's case. Yeah, So all of 352 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: these people, given the best of themselves, has to me 353 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: been such an uplifting part of what we do. Because 354 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: you and I both get asked a lot, how do 355 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: y'all not burn out? Well, I don't know how you 356 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: burn out when you're just surrounded by just fantastic, heroic, 357 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: loving people. I mean, it's kind of an honor to 358 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: get to be with them every day. And I love 359 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: that we had an opportunity to work with law enforcement 360 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: and this great state to teach them, show them some 361 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: of the new technology that is available so that they 362 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: could use it in their arsenal. Yes, and Sergeant Layton, 363 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what an incredible ambassador for the Atlanta Police Department. Him. 364 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: I do too, just a spectacular human being. But what 365 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: I tell you, not only is he capable and willing 366 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: and just ready to jump in this thing with both 367 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: feet every chance he gets, but he's also open and 368 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: willing to hear somebody say, hey, have you tried such 369 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: and such, or we can maybe help connect you to 370 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: somebody that can maybe open some doors to some new technology. 371 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: That's very rare. It's rare. It's rare. Now, I did 372 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: mention a crime come But for y'all that don't know 373 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: what that is. It is the number one true crime 374 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: event in the world. It lasts a whole weekend, and 375 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: it is dedicated to anything and all things true crime. 376 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: People from all walks of life come and you know 377 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have anything in common except true crime. 378 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: That's the common denominator with everybody. So it could be teachers, plumbers, actors, 379 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: detectives all in the same room working on the same 380 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: case at the same time, trying to help a family 381 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: get answers. There are experts, survivors, authors, podcasters, and media 382 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: personalities all in the same place for the same reason, 383 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: and it is an unbelievable experience. You and I both 384 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: know Vince Vlasquez, and I remember Vince told me years ago, 385 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: and for the audience, Vince Velasquez is a retired homicide 386 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: detective in Atlanta, but he's on a show called atl Homicide. 387 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: Wonderful person. But Vince told me once, if anybody contacts 388 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: him and says, hey, I have an idea for how 389 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: you can solve a case, he said, my only response 390 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: should be thank you. And that's all this is. I mean, 391 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, you and I do 392 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: not have a crystal ball. I wouldn't use it if 393 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: you gave it to me. And we worked on a 394 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: case with him that yield it, yield it answers. Oh yes, 395 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: I mean that case, and we're going to be discussing 396 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: it at another time. But again, that case was so powerful. 397 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Vince even said, I'm retired, but I will work this 398 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: case for free till the day I die. Yes, stick 399 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: around it. See what case that is? People, Oh, please 400 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: stick around because it's gonna be a good one in 401 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: the future. But I tell you, you you know, I came 402 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: over state. Sometimes people have things to say about law enforcement, 403 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: people have things say about the media, but I can 404 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: honestly tell you that has never one time been my experience. 405 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: I have seen extraordinary work from amazing people that only 406 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: want to help. And it is not because she and 407 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: I have partnered on things that did result in winning 408 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: an Emmy twice being nominated. So once the Volks were 409 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: just wrong, but anyway, wildly wrong. But you know I 410 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: have called you night and day before and said, look, 411 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: I just want to tell you something, but it's got 412 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: to be off the record. You have never once violated 413 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: your ethics or our friendship. And you know search of 414 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: a story. You have never heard a family. You have 415 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: never shoved a microphone in somebody's face that was falling 416 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: apart and having the worst moment of their life. I 417 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: have only seen integrity and love and compassion, and you know, 418 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: needing to get the information out, needing to tell the story. 419 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to do your job, but you 420 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: do it with such grace, and I just there's not 421 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: enough good things I can say about you. And this 422 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: isn't because I've known you a week. I mean I 423 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: would have said this twenty years ago before we partnered. 424 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: So all I can say is Atlanta News is better 425 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: because you're in it. I think the State of George 426 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: is better because you're in it. And I know these 427 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: coal cases have a greater opportunity to see a conclusion 428 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: that is met with law enforcement and having an understanding 429 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: and the families feeling like they finally have a voice. Well, 430 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: it really has been an eye opener for me and 431 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: I appreciate this opportunity. And in the spirit of full disclosure, 432 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: I am in the middle of a very noisy newsroom. 433 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: So if you hear a lot of yelling, just know 434 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: that we're working to get stories on the air for 435 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: four or five and six right now, and that's a 436 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: lot of Cheryl knows what my day is like. It 437 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: doesn't just it's not just you show up and you 438 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: read what's out there. But you know, Cheryl has me 439 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: to the point where I need to find out myself 440 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: how some of these stories, how some of these cases, 441 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: how some of these people are affected in our community. 442 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: And when she tells me about a case, a story, 443 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: a family, we need to help get some answers. I'm 444 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: all on board because I would want someone to do 445 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: the same thing for me. Karen Greer, thank you so 446 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: much for being with us, y'all. I'm going to end 447 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: Zone seven the way I always do with a quote 448 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: from somebody from my Zone seven and tonight that comes 449 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: from Stephanie Biber, true crime reporter for People magazine, and 450 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Stephanie says, always remember these stories belong to the families. 451 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: All we can do for them and their loved one 452 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: they've lost is to tell the story. It's for the families. 453 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: And when the teleprompter keeps rolling, just speak from the heart. 454 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is own seventh. Imagine working 455 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: with a partner at a crime scene that could smell 456 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: a dead body under the water, or locate after decades 457 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: an old clandestine grave. Next week, y'all are going to 458 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: hear from Tray Sergeant, a canine search and rescue expert, 459 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: and her partners. Her dogs are unbelievable. They have assisted 460 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: on numerous searches for missing and murdered people for decades. 461 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: They have done extraordinary work and have had unbelievable success. 462 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: And I cannot wait for y'all to hear about her 463 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: and more importantly, her canine partners