WEBVTT - Drea de Matteo

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<v Speaker 1>I remember sitting in my honeywagon and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people don't know what a honeywagon is. The trailer you

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<v Speaker 1>see where all the trailers are parked that have the

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<v Speaker 1>tiniest little rooms ever, so you know, like the main

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<v Speaker 1>actors are not in the honeywag. There were rooms with

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<v Speaker 1>toilets with a pillow on the toilet, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>sit on your toilet while you're waiting to be called up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a honey wagon. So I would be sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>my in my Honeywag, and every time I got a

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<v Speaker 1>script because they kept bringing me that in my episode

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<v Speaker 1>twelve man, I'm sitting on my toilet and I was

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<v Speaker 1>in twelve scenes and I lost my ship and I

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<v Speaker 1>ran to a pay phone with my script and I

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<v Speaker 1>called my mom collect and I said, mow, you won't

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<v Speaker 1>well it it twelve scenes come. That was it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was on my way to becoming series regular. Hi am

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<v Speaker 1>Dred and Mateo from Brian's favorite show. I there, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to another episode of Off the Beat.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host Brian baum Gartner today, I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>happy host. Why well, if you know me at all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what a fan I am of The Sopranos,

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<v Speaker 1>and today I am bringing on Emmy winner Drea the

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<v Speaker 1>Matteo Adrianna from The Sopranos. Let me listen. Just listen

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<v Speaker 1>to her say Christopher, Christopher, just one time, and you

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<v Speaker 1>will be instantly transported back into the world of the

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey Mob. There's some spoilers in this one spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's twenty years since The Sopranos, so if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't watched it, I guess you're not going to um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an amaze is in conversation about both The

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<v Speaker 1>Office and The Sopranos. I hope you enjoy it as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I did. You're gonna hear from Drea about

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<v Speaker 1>how Adriana was one of her earliest roles and how

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<v Speaker 1>heartbroken she was leaving the show. But since then she's

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<v Speaker 1>gone on to be on one of my other favorite shows,

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<v Speaker 1>Sons of Anarchy, Joey, Desperate Housewives, Shades of Blue, the list,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes on and on. Talking to her today, this

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<v Speaker 1>was even better than I expected, and I expected a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think we should just dive right in. You

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<v Speaker 1>should hear from the woman herself, Drea the Matteo. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>bubble and squeak. I love it, Bubble and squeak, Bubble

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<v Speaker 1>and squeaker, cooking it every month, left over from the

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<v Speaker 1>nut before. What's up? Hi? How you doing? I'm so sorry, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I could not get it together. Everything in my house

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<v Speaker 1>is misplaced, this wasn't plugged in. I was just like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. It took me a minute to get it

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<v Speaker 1>all together here. Please don't apologize at all. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>happy that you agreed to come and talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have we ever met? We haven't really. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we haven't really Allwood style meeting. You know

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<v Speaker 1>how we all just know each other. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't kind of know each other. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a confession to make. I've never watched The Office.

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<v Speaker 1>Well does that seem to me? Because it's right at

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<v Speaker 1>my first of all, well that's okay because we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to really talk about that today. Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so weird and what what years did it run from?

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<v Speaker 1>So it was on the air two thousand five two? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why. Because I was busy having babies and watching

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<v Speaker 1>like baby shows non stuff, and that was it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't haven't seen anything that has come out.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say since two thousand seven, Like I completely

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<v Speaker 1>stopped watching television completely except for cartoons Mickey Mouse, Clubhouse

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<v Speaker 1>and ship like that. Well, I'm kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>same boat. I have a little one to so little ones. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that can be. Do you watch Blueye is Blue?

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<v Speaker 1>On the on the radar? Well, now my kids are big,

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<v Speaker 1>but for a year now we watched Naruto and um

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<v Speaker 1>and Stranger Things. And now I got them into that

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna crack up. But now I've gotten them to

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<v Speaker 1>watch The Righteous Jim Stones. Really that's great. My daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is like what you know, when the when the sister

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<v Speaker 1>is like, yeah, Daddy, I would shave my asshole. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to kill you. M Yeah, just Gemstones. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>we've graduated to. She's fourteen. Now, there you go. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the funniest man alive, the funniest. My son is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they would probably love The Office. I need to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the Office with them, and that's what we're gonna do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well let's do that. I mean, luckily, for

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation, I've seen everything that you've done, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>so that'll make things go a little smoother. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start back before then. You you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, right in Queens. Yeah, I was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Queen's Um. I went to school in Queen's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>for like a year, and then mom realized, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this person shouldn't be raised here in the armpit of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we get her into the other armpit of American Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to school Manhattan for years, but we also

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<v Speaker 1>got we have We lived with my grandmother and Queen's

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<v Speaker 1>but then we had apartments in the city all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so we were back and forth a lot. And your

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<v Speaker 1>mom was a playwright, is that right? Yes, she taught

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<v Speaker 1>playwriting at HB Studios three years. She was herb Bergof's

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<v Speaker 1>protege um and he would direct all her plays and

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<v Speaker 1>udhah Hagen would star in them. And then when Uda

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<v Speaker 1>got sick, my mom was the healthcare proxy, so she

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<v Speaker 1>was dealing with the studio a lot. So she really

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<v Speaker 1>took care of that place for a lot of years.

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<v Speaker 1>But now she has dementia, which is crazy when like

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<v Speaker 1>one of these brilliant, brilliant minds just couldn't disappears. So

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre to go from being the smartest lady in the

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<v Speaker 1>room to that. Um, but it was Yeah. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up watching all of them playing house on stage. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, get me out of here. He's adults are crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was playing an house. So you would go to

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<v Speaker 1>rehearsals a lot and you would watch Is that that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you spent your childhood? Every birthday? Every birthday was

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<v Speaker 1>a play opening of hers and she thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>be cute doing it on my birthday. I was like, cute,

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<v Speaker 1>I am fucking ten years old. I had no appreciation

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<v Speaker 1>for any of you people right now. I despise you all. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hated it. I hated going to rehearsals. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I started to like it when I was I would

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<v Speaker 1>say it was thirteen. She did a play of a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of teenage boys with Patrick Dempsey Jerry O'Connell, Like

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<v Speaker 1>all these kids were in the play, and I fell

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<v Speaker 1>in love with Patrick Dempsey. Okay at that time, you

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<v Speaker 1>know he was a teenager and he had to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the play to go do can't by any love. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget that. And then Jerry O'Connell had to go

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<v Speaker 1>and do stand behind me. Um, yeah, that was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, because we were just my family. My mom,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was small town Queen's people. You know, she

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<v Speaker 1>was raised in a mafia family and not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if she she wanted to become an actor

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<v Speaker 1>and her father was like, only horse become actors. So

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<v Speaker 1>she ended becoming a play right later on in life.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was it's a big deal for her. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that those guys were nobody back then. They were

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<v Speaker 1>just little kids. But yeah, she she did do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, nobody from Queens as a playwright, you

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<v Speaker 1>know in those days. That's so so it was really

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<v Speaker 1>about getting a crushes on boys that started to like

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<v Speaker 1>make you interested. Uda Hagen didn't didn't do it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I still wasn't interested even then. I know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>fine sitting there while I had to wait for her

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<v Speaker 1>to come home and sit at the theater because I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to school uptown. But I know I was

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<v Speaker 1>I I only started acting. I would also say that

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<v Speaker 1>I was just telling my boyfriend this the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Every one of my boyfriends in high school, they were

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<v Speaker 1>very ambitious, all of them, and they all wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be actors, and they didn't. They eventually they would leave

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<v Speaker 1>me or cheat or do whatever because I wasn't ambitious

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<v Speaker 1>enough because I'd sit around smoking weed, you know, partying,

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<v Speaker 1>just being a hippie, living my best teenage life. And

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to become these big time actors. And they

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<v Speaker 1>were just like you're going nowhere, We're going somewhere and goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, okay, I'll see you later, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like accepting my award. Why so I went

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<v Speaker 1>to n y U film school. I wanted to make movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no interest. I loved Weird German Inde film

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid. That was had become sort

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<v Speaker 1>of my obsession. So I went to film school in Too,

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<v Speaker 1>n y U and I was going for filmmaking. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I would jump in front of the camera for

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<v Speaker 1>all my all my own student films because I was

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<v Speaker 1>too busy partying. So I never was prepared with my projects.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to be in my own movies doing

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<v Speaker 1>a one man show, which she probably relates to. It

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<v Speaker 1>is probably commedian. Um. I was like, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing. All my friends were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you should probably just do that you're good at, not this,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like I could do it. I do

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<v Speaker 1>it all, and I think that part of me felt

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<v Speaker 1>like filmmaking was just too giant a task at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was good at the acting, and I started

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<v Speaker 1>taking all these acting classes for directors, so I never

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<v Speaker 1>had to feel like there was any pressure on me

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<v Speaker 1>to be an actor. But I really enjoyed it. I

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<v Speaker 1>really really really enjoyed it. I think I enjoyed just

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<v Speaker 1>not being myself because I was this kid growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the theater that hated my life because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I realized these people didn't have to be themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what's going on. This is great. But

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<v Speaker 1>then as I got older, liked being myself and I

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<v Speaker 1>stopped acting as much as I used meeting myself now,

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<v Speaker 1>so who I don't really need to act that much,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is funny. So yeah, that was really how

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<v Speaker 1>it started. That's so interesting to me. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>revenge job. I did it out of revenge. Brian, you

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<v Speaker 1>did like from your childhood, from your mom or is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you mean? No? I think with all the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that were like, you're working with my actors, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was heartbroken, you know, even though in your stone

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<v Speaker 1>that was still heartbroken. I was like yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>like non fucking guys, and they were dating all these

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<v Speaker 1>like supermodels and one of the actresses and all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, but I don't want to be an actress.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all these girls are waiting tables and then at

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<v Speaker 1>nightclubs every night, like fuck this. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 1>bar attending, so I should really speak, but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>pretending that I was. Who is it trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than Bartenden. But I also had a manager

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody stuck me with when I first started acting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I took a high. I left her because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I gotta get my life together. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of smoking too much weed and doing too much of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get my ship together and come back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I came back to her, she said, you

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<v Speaker 1>need voice classes because your voice is in atrocity and

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<v Speaker 1>you will never work in Hollywood. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to work in New York, so I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, I'm sorry, I'm not going to represent you

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<v Speaker 1>until you've had a year's worth of voice classes. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was really drastic, but I went and I

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<v Speaker 1>started up for voice classes and I told her that

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<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, those classes are pretty common, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>littre gonna project you know, speech whatever it was. And

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<v Speaker 1>she said, no, not that kind of voice class. Not

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<v Speaker 1>not for addiction or projection or accent. She said, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to take opera classes because your voice is really,

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<v Speaker 1>really awful. I used to have such a gravelly voice

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<v Speaker 1>that I sounded like a guy because I smoked so much. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really sounded crazy. But whatever, it was unique,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess any gravelly voice. I was like, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>let me in and I could play this game. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't want me. And then a week later I

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<v Speaker 1>got The Sopranos. Wow, so that really, Um, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was I thought it was very like Serendipitous said

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<v Speaker 1>it would be called The Sopranos and I was kicked

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<v Speaker 1>to the curb because I needed to take what was

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<v Speaker 1>so unbelievable to me opera lessons. So yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt very and it wasn't. I was a day player.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like I got I scored some huge role

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<v Speaker 1>on anything. Um, it still felt very you know, looking

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<v Speaker 1>back on it, I always tell the story like, yep,

0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:56.720
<v Speaker 1>who's singing now, bitch? You know I'm saying, I know. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like okay with this voice of mine that you

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<v Speaker 1>thought was genitrosity. So yes, I feel like my entree

0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:12.040
<v Speaker 1>into the world of it all began with revenge, not love,

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<v Speaker 1>not a love of no, because my father would say

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<v Speaker 1>to me, don't do this unless you can't do anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most heartbreaking thing you'll ever do. But

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<v Speaker 1>once I started doing it, I then realized this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing I ever want to do, because I

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<v Speaker 1>did fall in love with the craft of it all.

0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I fell in love with scoring a script. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the score a script when I was when I was

0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.080
<v Speaker 1>younger from a directorial standpoint, you mean score script No,

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<v Speaker 1>as an actor, I did when I was doing theater

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<v Speaker 1>when I was younger. I loved breaking a script down

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<v Speaker 1>as an actor, really having the journey in there and

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<v Speaker 1>scoring it with the right actions. I guess, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>through line and action. So really it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>math problem for me. Yes, So this is so fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>to me because like the master of all scoring of

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<v Speaker 1>scripts is Uda Hagan, who as a child, Yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>never read her book No, and she used to. She

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<v Speaker 1>used to watch me act because I took place at

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<v Speaker 1>HB and she she gave me one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>compliments I've ever gotten in my life. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>not easy, man, No, she's not. No. But like the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest book, in my opinion, on acting ever written, Respect

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<v Speaker 1>for Acting by Udhah Hagan, Like that's where like that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I from, I don't know, four thousand miles away

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, Like that's where I started learning how to

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<v Speaker 1>score a script. I mean in terms of through line

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<v Speaker 1>and action and objectives and all of that stuff. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting. This is something that you love to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the perspective, this perspective is just interesting. As a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting there while your mom is playing make believe

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of people on stage, Like that is

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy, crazy thing. Well, you know, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>learned how to act watching my mom teach honestly, to

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<v Speaker 1>watch her teacher. She was really known in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the underground theater world. The way she taught that class

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<v Speaker 1>was was magic. And I would even send my friends

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<v Speaker 1>that were having emotional problems to sit in her class

0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.040
<v Speaker 1>because the way she would explain action in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>like how you affect people cause and effect that you're never.

0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 1>You have to stay active all the time. The moment

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<v Speaker 1>you become stagnant, everything just sort of falls apart. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no you know, states of being. You always have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a state of doing something otherwise the script

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<v Speaker 1>is going to fall flat. I mean, look, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great tableau sort of style films, but

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work in TV land, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work on stage either. I feel like TV

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<v Speaker 1>and stage are very similar. And the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>writer is the king, the director is you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>can be interchanged, which they are every week. Um, the

0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 1>writing team the usually the writing team, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>psychotic about their words. I mean, I don't want sopranos.

0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I was not allowed to change. Even I could, I

0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.680
<v Speaker 1>kept saying with David's please, I don't want to say Christopher.

0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I hate saying it because I can't. My accents sounds

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<v Speaker 1>so stupid. Um the Christmas fla, I felt like it

0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.880
<v Speaker 1>sounded so fake. I said, can I just call him Christie?

0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.640
<v Speaker 1>He's sitting up and Jesus Christ, That's what I've known

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<v Speaker 1>for now. I walked down the streets. Can you just

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<v Speaker 1>say Christopher? Christoph? The writers king? Yeah, well you know

0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.399
<v Speaker 1>going back slightly, because I when you had this manager,

0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.400
<v Speaker 1>so I thought the manager was going to be brilliant.

0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Now it turns out I think I think not. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's so interesting to me about you and

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<v Speaker 1>your work, starting with the Sopranos, is that I think

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<v Speaker 1>of you your physicality and voice being connected. So see,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought when she was talking to you about having

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<v Speaker 1>voice lessons, she was feeling like you weren't connected to

0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.080
<v Speaker 1>your voice in some way, um, which I think you

0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.640
<v Speaker 1>always are, If that makes sense. That's why people want

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>to hear you say that because your intention, your needs,

0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.239
<v Speaker 1>objectives seem always tied in with your physicality and your

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<v Speaker 1>voice is yourself physically. Is that something that you think

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<v Speaker 1>about as you're creating a character. Yes, it's yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>have like hang ups. I have certain hang ups with

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<v Speaker 1>certain characters, especially with the character like Adriana. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>was very specific for me. I have things like shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>like the right shoes, like if I'm not if I

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<v Speaker 1>could never take my shoes off, even if I was

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<v Speaker 1>off camera and playing the scene with somebody, because Adriana

0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.239
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be not in those high heeled shoes. Like they

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<v Speaker 1>would't even say to me, Hey, you're gonna be off

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.960
<v Speaker 1>camera all day. Don't put on your nails. We're not

0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.720
<v Speaker 1>going to do your hair. You know, we're just gonna

0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.840
<v Speaker 1>because we'll take four hours to get me ready sometime. Um.

0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.359
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, no, man, And I was younger,

0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.320
<v Speaker 1>so obviously it was a lot more precious about we

0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>know now that we when we're older that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of kind of just show up and do

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<v Speaker 1>things and still be awesome at it. But when you're younger,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know, you don't have that confidence, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so you hanging on all of the the outside stuff

0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to grab onto. Um. Some people call that method. Some

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>people call that being a diva. Some people call that

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<v Speaker 1>being painting. Ask Um, I don't know. I needed it.

0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I definitely needed it to come alive as that character.

0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have the accident without all of that stuff.

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Like there's you know, me in a bathrobe with my

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<v Speaker 1>hair wet, and I had such a hard time being

0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.720
<v Speaker 1>her without makeup. One I was like, who am I?

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>So I guess it's that was a little superficial of

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<v Speaker 1>me to a degree, because everything should be right in here, guys,

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>those of you who can't see well the way you see, right,

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.919
<v Speaker 1>this is not a visual Now, it's gotta be inside

0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>your heart, you know what I'm saying, inside your body.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's a it's a weird thing. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to the accent. That's my favorite thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>is that accent. And when I was younger, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be stereotyped in that world because it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to come back from that. And I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being Italian. I had another manager who wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to change my name to make it not sound Italian,

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and my father got so fucking mad at me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, all right, we'll just leave that. He's Aboutineer

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 1>or about chin On. I was like a paragraphic didn't say, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I only want to play with Americans. Now you do,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you want. I would do anything to get

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<v Speaker 1>back into that realm again, where I'm playing a real

0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.119
<v Speaker 1>New Yorker, like a heavy accent to New Yorker. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I did like She's blue j Low and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>But that wasn't me getting to play that. I loved Adrian,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And it took me a lot of years

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<v Speaker 1>later to recognize that that it would have been okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just kept doing that for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Right, let's talk about it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty early in your career, you get an audition for

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<v Speaker 1>The Sopranos. By the way, you talked about the voice

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<v Speaker 1>thing earlier, Jamie lenn Siegler talked to me about I've

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<v Speaker 1>known for a long time she was a singer, and

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 1>she kept waiting for David Chase to ask her to

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<v Speaker 1>sing a song because it was called the Sopranos, and

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<v Speaker 1>she came and prepared a song. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>about singers. When I got there too, I wore no makeup,

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>with my hair in a bun and pull back slipped

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<v Speaker 1>back because they say, just be a blank canvas for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said sure, and I show up like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they want me to play the saucy you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, would be a queen's girl. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, I know how to do that, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not prepared because I don't have the hair or the

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<v Speaker 1>makeup and I can't put on that accent without it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't get the part. I put the auditioned

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<v Speaker 1>from Michael's girlfriend and I couldn't. I didn't get the part,

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but he liked me, and he made me read for

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<v Speaker 1>every other side character. I read for the Russian girls,

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<v Speaker 1>I read forum, Oh god, I can't remember. There were

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<v Speaker 1>like four roles that I read for in that script

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<v Speaker 1>and I got none of them. And then they finally

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<v Speaker 1>called my agent at that time and said, she seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a snooty Connecticut girl. Would she be okay playing

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<v Speaker 1>um the hostess in the restaurant who turns down Lorraine Brocko?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you have me learned brock all either?

0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't say my lines because I was so nervous.

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.199
<v Speaker 1>I was with Karen, Karen for fucking good bells. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't saying my line at all. I was dying. It

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<v Speaker 1>was hurt. It was she and Jim, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know Jim, and nobody knew Jim yet really right um?

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.400
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't care about him, but I definitely cared

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<v Speaker 1>about her. And I couldn't say any of my lines.

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And then a year later they would call me back

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<v Speaker 1>to play Michael's girlfriend again, his date, just a date, Like,

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:15.920
<v Speaker 1>why are they calling me back? I messed up? So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they knew that I was the same girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they knew. Maybe they did. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know. I don't know if I ever even asked

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<v Speaker 1>that question. But according to Eileen, one of the producers,

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<v Speaker 1>I got the part as his girl, as a day

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<v Speaker 1>player role, and another day player part on the show

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way I said the word out. I

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<v Speaker 1>had one line it was out, and she said I

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<v Speaker 1>turned it into a tense syllable word because I had

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<v Speaker 1>my mom told me to say it that way. I

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<v Speaker 1>was at a home's house when they Yeah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at my mom's house when they called UM to come

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<v Speaker 1>into second time and I said, hey, Mom, it's the show.

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 1>It's that Sopranos show that I told you about. But

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<v Speaker 1>I had given her the pilot to reach so straight.

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<v Speaker 1>This is gold. She's like, this is the most unbelievable

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.679
<v Speaker 1>scripts I've ever read and TV it read like one

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.800
<v Speaker 1>of her scripts. Um, and I looked at her and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, I'll probably never get made. She said,

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 1>probably not too good. And that was And then year

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>later they called me at their house and said, hey,

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 1>can you come in for an audition. I said no,

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 1>I can't. Actually I'm in Queens And they said that's funny.

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>So were we can you be here in a half hour.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh to my mom and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>how quick are those chicken cutlets? Can be tough? My

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>grand cutlets. My grandmother goes, make a chicken cut and

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<v Speaker 1>the sandwich. Just get in the car and go. My

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<v Speaker 1>mother goes, I'm gonna get your name plate and diamonds

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<v Speaker 1>out of the safe. You need to wear it because

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<v Speaker 1>I had this Andrea in diamonds on a rope chain

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<v Speaker 1>from my confirmation. She goes, you're gonna wear that. You

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<v Speaker 1>go tease your hair, go put makeup on and talk

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 1>like Silvana my neighbor. And I was like, okay, let's go.

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And then I went with my parents in the car.

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>They were waiting for me. In the car, I ran

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<v Speaker 1>into Silver Cup Studios, which was in Queen's and I

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<v Speaker 1>think my audition and I came back out and I

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<v Speaker 1>my chicken cutlet sandwich and then I got I got

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the part and it was just for one line. Though,

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, I still have my checks from from those,

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>my five hundred dollar checks from my first day player

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>role sitting on my remember sitting in my honeywagon and

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't know what a Honeywagon is,

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>but Honeywagon is a trailer. You see where all the

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>trailers are part that have the tiniest little rooms ever,

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 1>so you know, like the main actors are not in

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<v Speaker 1>the Honeyway, they're little toilets. There are rooms with toilets

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<v Speaker 1>with a pillow on the toilet so you can sit

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>on your toilet while you're waiting to be called up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a honey wagon. So I would be sitting on

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>my in my Honeywagon, sitting on the toilet every time

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I got a script because they kept bringing me back,

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was super cool. I remember being at

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Craft Services, David Chase coming over with me and he goes,

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, people in the editing room really think that

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you're a couple with Michael And I said really, and

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, you guys have really great industry. And

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I looked at him. I was like, must be the eyebrows.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>People have big eyebrows. You know. Um that my episode twelve, man,

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on my toilet, sitting on my toilet in

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the honey Wagon. And I was in twelve scenes and

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I lost my ship and it ran to a pay

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>phone because that's all we had and I ran too

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.479
<v Speaker 1>a pay phone with my script and I called my

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>mom collect and I said, mow, you'll well it twelve

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>fucking scenes. God, that was Let's see that that episode

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.959
<v Speaker 1>of the music industry stuff, and that was it. I

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was on my way to becoming series regular. And I

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 1>always tell people like I never would have gotten that

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>part if they were auditioning for a series regular, because

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you know they were mirrort Rovino versus Tommy Debbie Mays

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>are all those girls would have been the perfect actors

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>for those roles, you know what I mean. So I

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>got really fucking lucky. You said your mom read the

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 1>pilot and talked about how good it was. Obviously your

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>experience in the pilot was, you know, was brief. But

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>at what point did you realize that this was not

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>just a job and they were giving you more to do,

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>but the show itself was something special? Oh man? I

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I grew up in that world of

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>watching her critique scripts, and I've heard great script scripts everything.

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>And she wrote heavy about mafia because her father was

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>made guy, so you know, reading all her scripts about

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that subject everything, I knew I was reading something that

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>that was beyond you. Know. I also want to say

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>why films, So I studied Scorsese like a lunatic. Key

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>was my obsession when I was a kid in Main

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Streets was my favorite movie. And then Good Fellows had

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>come out, and I it was I knew this was

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be the greatest thing ever. I never thought

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>it would get made. I never thought that anybody would

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>recognize it. I never thought that it would be important

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 1>in the world and anyway, because I knew that it

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>was of such quality that it might just fail or

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>not be not be great, you know, and and and

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the truth is, when the show did come out, we

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>did have a lot of critical acclaim, for sure, but

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we also had a lot of a lot of haters.

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood still did them love us. I could tell when

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>we would go to the award shows. I could tell

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 1>the way we were not cared about on the red carpet.

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>It was really like people thought we were the real

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>people in the show, showing up and making a joke

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>out of their society. That's how it felt. It felt like.

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>And all of us actors to show some of the

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>people were very much like their characters, but a lot

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of them were not really, not at all but we

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>were so into our characters and so into the show,

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and so into the idea of never breaking character for

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the sake of the show. Um, so what you New

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>York actors, We're nuts, you know. So I feel like

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>we showed up in character. We should up in a

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>new Jersey transit, us on the red carpet for the

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Emmy is the first year and we all which rest

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the part, you know, we came in like a fucking gang.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>We were nuts and we were we had our egos

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>in check. We were ready to roamble. We were like,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>we are the mafia. You all better step aside right now.

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>But they didn't want us. They did not want us,

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and we felt it. It's so interesting. I have never

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>articulated this before, but I I was watching you, right.

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, eventually when you guys started showing up is

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>when we started showing up to the same stuff and

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>your people. That's who I was hanging out with at

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>those things. And I think to a large degree, it's

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 1>because both of our shows were that way right, Like

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>we were not friends. And I keep using that as

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>an example, but like, regardless of quality of show or

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>like anything else, they were all made to be on

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the cover of Cosmo and Vogue and TV Guide and

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Entertainment Weekly, and we just weren't. We had one like

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>very special Entertainment Weekly cover edition and that was like

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>really big for us, and so we were always kind

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of that way as well. The step children hidden in

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the back, and we were having fun. You know. Jenni

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Fisher talks about us at our first Golden Globes, it

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>was like the Beverly Hillbillies come today. We showed up

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>at the Golden Globes. I showed up in a Honda Civic.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>We were asking whereout, We were asking where the valet.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't driving it, but there were four of us

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>crammed into a Honda Civic at the Beverly Hilton Hotel

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and we thought we could valet some there like no

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>sirs and MAM's you can't valet. So one of the

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>one of our cast members, drove a mile away and

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>had to go find parking and walk. He's like, I'll

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.959
<v Speaker 1>drop you guys off, and we went walking the carpet

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>with no invitation. Nobody cared. But it's so fascinating because

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I think getting back to actually your point, we were different.

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Both shows actually were not made from that traditional television

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>model and mo, this is how it goes, and this

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>is how the people look and this is how everybody behaves.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>We were not that, And I wonder if that's why

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I became friendly with so many of the folks in

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>your show as well, because I felt we were kind

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>of the same in a weird way. Well, I also think, like,

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, even though I haven't seen The Office the

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>way a lot of my friends are religious office freaks,

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um, I've caught some of it, and I'm

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>always like, God, this would be my favorite show if

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I sat down and watched TV for a minute, because

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it is so and like Sopranos, everybody gets it

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>from one thing. You well know, I always said this

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>about about the Sopranos. It appeals to so many people

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on so many different levels. Um, you have the gumbas

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that like it for the gunshots. You have the critics

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that really understand the intellectual nature of the show and

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the way it's written and handled. Then you have people

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that dig it for a family show. Then you have

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>people that are just mafia obsessed. Um, So it has

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>something for everybody. And I felt like the intelligence of

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the show, which is what kept it in its in

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>its glory. I'd say the same with The Office, like

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it was. The Office was so off the beaten path

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and so genuinely different. Like the style of the humor,

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the style of the jokes, just dry and not in

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>your face. It's not a sitcom, you know. It was

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the for me, also one of the more

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>genious shows. And yeah, and you guys all looked like

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>real Pete, we all look like people too. Um, but yeah,

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I would say that you who are you hanging out with?

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>From the cast though when we were, I would we

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.719
<v Speaker 1>were always very at least from me. I was so

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>shy that I was in the back row of anything.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd be in a corner. If we were at an event,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>if there was a red carpet and I wasn't required

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 1>to be on it, I wouldn't be there. Um. I

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>was very shy, so I didn't. I didn't socialize at all, right,

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was you know, we would say hello.

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why I said, I mean, look, you're you're also

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>talking to someone in the Sopranos was around before. So

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>this for me, I mean spoiler alert, it is. It

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>is my all time favorite television show and your performance

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in the show is one of my all time favorite

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>television performances in the history of television. No, but a

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>big part of it is what I talked about before.

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>That connection between voice and physicality and body and movement

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and the specific journey that you went through was just

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>just stunning. But I want to I want to ask

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>you something because you kind of brought it up and

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't planning to ask you this specific question. But

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>is the Sopranos is it a Mafia show? Well, first

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of all, thank you for all the things you just said,

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>because that was very nice to hear. A hundred years later.

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>It's there. It means a lot to me. And I

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>think about the whole team that was behind us creating

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>those characters with us and I and I'm so grateful

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for all of them. Um, is it a mafia show?

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>The level of David Chase's writing, but the way the

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 1>way he formulated the show, the way he included every

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It's no, it's not a mafia show. It's a show

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>about family and the Mafia is the backdrop. That's the

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>way I see it. Um, it has something for everybody.

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Everybody has their reason for loving the show, and they're

0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>all different. So that's why I feel like even the

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the season, the end of the whole show

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>to wrap up the way they ended it, and people

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>hated that so much, it really kept in line. I

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if David Chase would agree with me,

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>but I always felt it kept in line with this

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of blank canvas where the show could be what

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you wanted it to be for you. You could take

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>away from it what was important to you, whether it

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>be or a woman in a family having a husband

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was cheating on her um, or you're you know, a

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 1>guy caught up in the crime, or you know, whatever

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>it is. So I always felt that way, especially at

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the end too. It was another blank canvas for the

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 1>audience to say, this is how I want to see

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the story end. Yeah. In preparing to talk to you,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean this, this goes to the point, Um, we

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>have a great staff. They put together a lot of

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions or things for me to think

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>about talking to you about. There there was a point

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 1>written down about your character and what big issues that

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>she had to deal with, domestic violence, infertility, health issues,

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and then finally encounters with the FBI. Now, maybe aside

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>from encounters with the FBI, the FBI that may be

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>more mafia specific, but the complexity of issues that the

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>show was talking about. I always viewed it the same

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>as you. It was about a family dealing with issues

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and their family. They're connected, family dealing with issues. Uh,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>the mafia was just a backdrop for it, but it

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>was talking about so many other important things. Was it

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>difficult for you diving into such dark stuff? I mean

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the violence with Christopher, infertility, dealing with that, the health

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>issues that your character was going through. Were you able

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to leave it behind or had you? Did you go

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>so method that you would carry that stuff with you afterward?

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I was I have lost a friend. During that time,

0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have kids yet, having kids and doing what

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I do, what we do, you know, I had to

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>start dialing back, like maybe I'm gonna use a tear

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>stick now, you know, maybe I'm not gonna sit and

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>prepare for six hours before I show up it's on set,

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I can't imagine sitting around thinking about

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>my kids being mutilated and destroyed, because that's where I

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>would go. I at that time, it was extremely method.

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I would hold on to everything and carry it around

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>in a box. And I never wanted to be antisocial

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>on set. I never wanted to come across like a

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>fuck to anybody. So I always made sure that I

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>could let the air out every two seconds when it

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>was time to talk to the hair and makeup wardrobe.

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>But they also always knew that there was you know,

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>my my best friend now who was the PA on

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the show, and she's one of my best friends now

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>in life. She always do to keep everybody away from me.

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't. I wasn't. Everybody has a different

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>method of action. Some people are more methodical and can

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>show up and do their work. I was definitely more

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>like a tighter in a cage because I didn't have

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that much training. I used to wild animals a film student.

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. You know, I had done a little

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>bit of training, but it wasn't immense. It was definitely

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I think if I would have to go through that now,

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 1>it might be harder, or maybe looking back on it,

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it was hard because I know when it was time

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>for me to leave, When they told me that I

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to be leaving the show, I had to

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>find my piece in that. So the only way to

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>find my piece in that was to say, you know,

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to laugh because this has been a year

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of crying NonStop. So when Joey came along, fucking Joey

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>speaking of friends, I always like, I didn't want to

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>do it, but my dad was like, you you're taking

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this job. He made me take that fucking job and

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 1>bought me this house. So I mean it was a

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>good deal. But you know, between he and Matt le

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Blanc got there, I had no choice but to take

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.720
<v Speaker 1>that show. But I knew that I needed to laugh

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>after that because it was intense in the end, but

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>not always. It was just in the last year before that,

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and it was a party. That's why I was asking

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>on Sundays after the awards, would you hang out with us?

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Because we were not There was a select group of

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>us that would get together after the awards and we

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>would end up at an after hours place called the

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>mouse Trap. I don't know if you were ever there.

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Every time we'd go into an award

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>ceremony and they would put us up either at the

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Peninsula or the Four Seasons. I would end up on

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>a two months hangover at the Hotel. I literally would

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>move into the hotel and not meet for months. I

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>remember you all staying at the Four Seasons. That's all

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll say. I remember you guys staying at the Four Seasons.

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>That was in the end. The Peninsula was our first. Yeah,

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I see, I wasn't. I wasn't around them. We joined

0:39:48.280 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you at the end. I have to ask you a

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of questions about Adriana and the character. Specifically, what

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>do you think her relationship with Tony was? How does

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>she view him? I well, I mean, look, as soon

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 1>as I knew I had that storyline all of a sudden,

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I had like, well, I think I always had the

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>biggest hearts in my eyes for Jim. I even tell

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 1>her his his wife. I'm like, you know, I had

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a crush on him. He was hot man, those eyes

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>like he was the sexiest guy alive to me in

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>those days. Um, Adrianna, would she necessarily be into him.

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>She was so loyal to Christopher, she loved him so

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>so much. I think that it was for her, more

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>than anything, a fleeting moment of of just enjoying the

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>attention from some one who was powerful, someone who was big,

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 1>someone who felt safe. And I think that she enjoyed

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>his company a little bit, but I don't think that

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>that there ever. I don't think she would have ever

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 1>really want I mean, the thing got nicked in the

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>bud obviously, but I don't even I never even got

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that far when I was doing the podcast watching those episodes,

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exactly what happened there because I haven't

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>watched them since they are it's been it's it's been

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>fairly recent. I went back and watched it within the

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years. And you know, the car accident, right,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>we were going to get blood. Yeah, the car, the

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>car accident happens, and the car accident is what sets

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:48.399
<v Speaker 1>things on end with Christopher because you know, he finds

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 1>out you're in a car accident and it's very concerned,

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and then or Adriana not you and a car accident,

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 1>is very concerned and then finds out it's whatever it

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 1>was three o'clock in the morning and telling yes, and

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Tony was with you. Um, but I thought that that

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>was danced around, and I thought, your answer right there

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.919
<v Speaker 1>is really smart because in a lot of ways, right,

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Tony is so different from Christopher in terms of his confidence,

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>in terms of his power his effortless power and security

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>and that attention, particularly when you know her partner was

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>not giving it to her so much. It was just

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was just such a very interesting storyline. Yet,

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>as you said, she was so loyal and loved him

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Christopher so much. Would she would she ever? But I thought,

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I think she also not have the confidence. She doesn't

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>have the balls to be with the with the formidable man.

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I even though he's fucked up in all his ways,

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he's still more of a man and Christopher is. And

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that she's less of a woman than Carmela

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>is in a lot of ways because she she really

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.839
<v Speaker 1>just focuses on the other person like she I mean,

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>she is trying to do something for herself with the

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>music industry and all that stuff. But I always look

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 1>back at my character and I think to because back

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>then I was like I have nothing like her, and

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>now I look back and I'm like, Jesus Christ, I

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>became her. I ended up dating all these musicians my

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>whole life and basically just doing everything in my power

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to make sure they got to stand in their light. Meanwhile,

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like probably wrecking my own little world to

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a large degree, and I'm like, I turned into Adriana fucker,

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>but I really get a ship beat out of me,

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>but definitely a moment um feeling like like emotionally, I

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was getting the ship beat out of me just by

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>having to endure the musician's lifestyle because they're all crazy

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>man's being in the mafia. It could be the same

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.760
<v Speaker 1>thing we're always looking to get up to because climb

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that ladder to get up there. When you received the

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>script for the episode Long Term or King, did you

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>know in advance where your story was going. I had

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a feeling for sure, but I am I had gone

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 1>to David Chase before an episode five. I went to

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>David Chase. I remember this, and I remember the episode

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and everything. I went to him and I said, hey,

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that this may not end well, but I

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>just have a question. Because we take such long hiatuses.

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I like to direct a film. It was my first

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>time getting back into the possibility of going back towards

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the camera. Um. One of my

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>mom's students had written amazing script and I wanted to

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>direct it, and I was going to start in it too,

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>So I brought that to him and said, I just

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>want to know when would be a good time for

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>me to do this. How long is our hiatu is

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be? Am I even coming back? Maybe you

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 1>don't even want me to come back, and you're gonna

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>kill me. Now, who knows? Well, you don't want to

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 1>ask David Chase these questions. You don't let them know

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that there's anything else that you might anticipate wanting to do.

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't saying I want to do this instead, I

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>was saying I want to do this as well. Well.

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:06.240
<v Speaker 1>He said to me, I'm gonna shoot at two ways.

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shoot you getting killed, and I'm gonna shoot

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you getting away, and no one's gonna know how it

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>ends until it airs. And I was like, it's not

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 1>even me, Like I don't know what you mean. And

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 1>he's like nope, he goes there's too much, too many

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 1>confidentiality issues on the show. We're gonna have to shoot

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a two ways anyway because there's a snitch. There's a rat.

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Jesus Christ. I was like, it's life is

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:36.479
<v Speaker 1>imitating our here, right, there was a snitch on the show.

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:41.399
<v Speaker 1>There was the confidentiality on our show was probably more heavy.

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Dute even on any other show whatever existed, I would

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>say to a large degree because of this whole Monday

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>morning water cooler thing that had just been gone with us,

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and and those storylines, especially Adriana dying, you know back

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>in Big Pussy Died, that was a big one. But

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>that was in the beginning, like you didn't, it wasn't.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>This is now five years with this character and she's female.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>It's different. So they shot at two ways, and I

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 1>lived from episode five until whatever the long term parking was.

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>That's when I got that script. And when I got

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 1>long Term Parking, there was something in the script that

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:21.359
<v Speaker 1>bothered me, and I went to David Chase, I went

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to Michael. Why didn't go to David Chase? I went

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to Michael first, and then I went to Stevie van

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Zana because he was going to kill me, and we

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>all talked about it. Um. They had a scene in

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>there where Christopher tells Tony that I that I spoke

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to FEDS. He goes down to the laundry room in

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in his in his house where they speak in Tony

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Sprano's house and confesses everything while he's crying and and

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Tony Saprani says I'll handle it. And then you see

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the next scene of him calling me, and you know

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that now she's dead, and that's it. I really wanted

0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 1>that scene taken out. I felt like, and I've never

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>been outspoken about anything, but I really felt like that

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 1>scene saying in there would have just I feel like,

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>let this be the biggest moment of the season and

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.400
<v Speaker 1>let everyone not know what's about to happen. Like everyone

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 1>should just be like what is about to happen and

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 1>freaking the funk out instead of knowing exactly what her

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>ride is that ride with Sylvia, So me, Stevie, and Michael,

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I think we all discussed it with them and tried

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 1>to have it removed. I didn't know if it would

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>help or anything, but when I watched the show, it

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.280
<v Speaker 1>was gone. And then if you watch the next season,

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>it go. They showed that actual scene in a flashback

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>because they shot it, but they used it in a

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>flashback for season six, I guess. So I was like,

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>thank God, because I really was protective of how it

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>would end. And that was it. That was my That

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>was my sman song right there. Yeah, you riding in

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the car with Stevie on the way, not of course,

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>as you just indicated not fully knowing where you were going,

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 1>but as you start driving and it changes, uh, it

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 1>becomes it becomes clear. Just one of the most haunting

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 1>scenes and beautifully performed and shot scenes I think in

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>um in the show. And of course you don't actually

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 1>see you dying, but that horror and fear on your

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>face makes it even worse that you don't see. I

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>remember Steve van Zand was on a talk show. I

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was like Leno or something, and

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>he goes, so, what were you doing? Did she? Did

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>she die? And he looks at at Leano whoever it was,

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, what do you think I was out there?

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>She will fucking squirrels. Stev, don't want to do it.

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>We labored so hard. At that point when we shot

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>that scene, I was done. I had already signed on

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to Joey like I was done, you know, I was

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:02.720
<v Speaker 1>ready to go, and he but if they weren't done,

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>they were still in it, and we're killing her and

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I have to call her content, I have to pull

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>her by her hair, and I was just like, just

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:15.399
<v Speaker 1>do it. Let's oh, we gotta do it. But yeah,

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>it was It was pretty freaking crazy that a whole

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the car. But you see the way they

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:22.479
<v Speaker 1>shot it. They shot at both ways that he used

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the flashback of me imagining and getting away and then

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't and then I don't get away, and honestly,

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I still didn't know what the end was. Because I

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 1>signed on for the six the sixth season, I wasn't

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>allowed to take another show. David came to me and said,

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>no other shows after this, you know that, And I

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, but really, like give up my entire career.

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't do that. But they did sign me on

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>for three episodes to do flashbacks and also to shut

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>up um. But I still had to take the other

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>show because I had to. But if the news got

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>out that I had taken it, so that everybody kept

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.839
<v Speaker 1>saying and the press that I was that I was done,

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that I was dying, and I flipped out. He called me,

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget. I was bond Street Sushi in Manatan

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.319
<v Speaker 1>with my with my ex, and he was like, we

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 1>need to talk. And I felt like I had done

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the biggest betrayal of my life by taking that show.

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:20.839
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how the news got out there,

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 1>but it fucking leaked, and I was like, I'm gonna

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.759
<v Speaker 1>fix it, don't worry. So I got my publicist to

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 1>get me on some talk shows. I wish I could

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>find it. I don't even know which one it was,

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 1>but I basically went on one of those shows and

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I not died, and I didn't

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>take jolly. What the fund is? Jolly? You know, was

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna get friends and offer to people. Crazy. Yeah, so

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Brando's and and and and friends unite, Like, give me

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 1>a fucking break, you know what I mean. I had

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to fake it until I until the show came out.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I felt so guilty that had got nowt so crazy?

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh you went the Emmy for Best Supporting Actress for

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that season? What does that mean to you? So many things?

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, looking back now as a fifty year old,

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.439
<v Speaker 1>I think I was in my twenties when I won

0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that award. At that time, I didn't want to be there.

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I was petrified of awards. I hated the Awards season.

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I hated being there. It was a lot to get

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:24.919
<v Speaker 1>me to show up to any of them. I don't

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like a red carpet, I don't like getting dressed. I

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>don't like any of it. But I really had a

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.360
<v Speaker 1>focus on the fact that, like I was being recognized

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and I and that it was important and I was

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 1>up against people who I fucking adore. I mean, I

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>think it was like Robert Robert Wyger, uh Clamity Jane

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Deadwood at that part that she had played was really

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.360
<v Speaker 1>something else, Like it was really out there, and then

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 1>they stopped her channing. Um so the Emmy didn't mean

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot to me now as an adult, you know,

0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.839
<v Speaker 1>and then I was a child in my mind. But

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I also was very afraid to win the award because

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I felt like every woman that had won an award

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for playing a role like that had a really hard

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 1>time coming back, like Mersa Tomay and Maria Swarbino, like

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 1>all these girls who who could salt like this it's

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 1>really good and can like do that whole thing, and

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>they want to know word for it. It's like they

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>got to work extra hard to break out of that

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 1>after And these were film stars, so it's definitely easier

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.839
<v Speaker 1>for them. But then you're a TV star doing that

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and now everyone's U see you living in their living

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>room with them. I mean, you know, I'm sure people

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.799
<v Speaker 1>when they see you, man, they know you. You You were

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>in their house having dinner with them every single night.

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not like Brad Pitt or fucking Charlie's and everyone's like,

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, look it's Brad picture I was. They're like, no, hey,

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>what's up. Come on, what's gonna sit down there with you?

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 1>You know? And I'm soy. I never I'm like, yes,

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.479
<v Speaker 1>let's take a picture. Yes, I could be crying having

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a moment with my family and someone is like, you

0:52:58.239 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>know what, this is it? This is my moment with you,

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing. I never put the in the out.

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 1>It lived on the floor in my guest bathroom for

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 1>years of your guest bathroom. Yes, and so the floor

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>of the closet. I used to joke around I was

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 1>going to throw it off a Laurel Canyon because I

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 1>always felt like I felt like life was best when

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I was on Sopranos. I felt very fortunate to continue working,

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>for sure, But nothing ever felt like the Sopranos to

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.720
<v Speaker 1>me ever. Working in New York. You know, my people,

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:43.240
<v Speaker 1>my world, my heritage, like everything that I come from

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and everything that I believe, you know, in in great

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 1>writing and structure, all that stuff. It all existed in there.

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I never ever had a moment where I was like, no,

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 1>this sucks. I don't feel like saying this. I don't

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>want to say Christopher all the time, but but I

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 1>really was very appreciative to you mentioned well, you mentioned

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>having to lie about it. Eventually you do join Joey,

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 1>which is uh going to be the next big NBC

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>comedy show. You're moving from comedy. You talked about your

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 1>dad and Matt LeBlanc telling you you had to do it,

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>that it was time for you to get out of

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.839
<v Speaker 1>that world. Was it difficult for you? This is just

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>what occurred to me when I started looking at the dates.

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:49.600
<v Speaker 1>It was hard for me to remember. Was it difficult

0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 1>for you that your old family was still working on

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the Sopranos and you were doing something so different, so

0:54:55.840 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 1>far away? Yes, I stole in the p a from

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Sopranos to go with me and moved to California. Um,

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>so that felt good. She left the show and came

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>with me. They wanted to kill me. I mean, when

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I tell you this is not just a regular p A.

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:13.759
<v Speaker 1>You know how it is on set. I mean this

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>world that came every she became everyone's life there on

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>this woman ginger and now she's a you know, going

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>off to become a producer at some point. But so

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.720
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I had that connection to the world

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>still because she was still so in touch with everyone. Um.

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.800
<v Speaker 1>But it was exciting, man, it was. It was still exciting.

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And I adored Matt so much. I remember being at

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the Awards and I think he was there. I think

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>he was at the Emmys that year. It felt good too,

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, I loved him like I I. We all

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 1>hated that experience while we were doing it. We were

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:53.839
<v Speaker 1>all very unhappy because there was so much pressure on us. Joey, Yeah,

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't focus on what was going on with the Sopranos.

0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>At that time. I was done. I was moving on

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to a new chapter in my life. If I was

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>leaving New York. I bought a house in California. It

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 1>felt like all my dreams were coming true, you know,

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>like this was the next place to go. I was

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 1>making a lot of money. It felt fantastic. Matt and

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I could not stop laughing for two years. But and

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>we still had fourteen million vieers by the way. I mean,

0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:24.799
<v Speaker 1>I just have to say that we were pitted that

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have seventeen million, because that's what friends had.

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>We fourteen million, not too fucking shabby, but that was

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>considered a fail back then, and we were suffering through

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that to a large degree. And we didn't like the writing.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 1>We didn't the writing was up too far. Um. I

0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:44.839
<v Speaker 1>was a miserable because I didn't think I belonged there.

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 1>I felt like a fake. I was nervous all the time.

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 1>My Great Dane was dying, which I know, it was

0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 1>so crazy, and I needed to have him with me

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.320
<v Speaker 1>all the time because he was going through chemo and

0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>he's a two hundred pound dog. So he was on

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that Friend six. We had a friend stage. We were

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.400
<v Speaker 1>all I was in Jennifer and since room that I

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>was across the hall from me with my giant dog

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 1>shitting everywhere, and no dogs allowed on stages because at

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 1>nine eleven there was all this, all these new regulations

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in place. So we would sneak a two hundred pound

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Great Dane in and their doctors and they would do

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>keemo there on set. It was insanity. So thinking about

0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the sopranos and what those guys were doing at that point,

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and god knows how long it took them to finish

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>finished this season, those seasons because they took these crazy hiatus.

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Is you know, at least I felt like I was

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 1>on a regular schedule for the first time. I didn't

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 1>love being on that schedule. Um, the Sitcom schedule. It

0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:44.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for me. Matt tried to sell it to me,

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great, you know if you have kids.

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't have kids, bro. I am like,

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I need to sleep until twelve. What this

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I gotta be a work at eight in the morning.

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:03.920
<v Speaker 1>So you were not happy? No, I wasn't He wasn't happy.

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>All we did, all of us, was complained on stuff,

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>which was ridiculous because we all had it made, you know,

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think if we all sat down and talked

0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 1>about it now, we'd all laugh about it. But we

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:18.520
<v Speaker 1>did last whether we were happy or not. We didn't

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 1>know what the hell, you know, we were coming off

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>so much success on both of our shows. It was

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be a weird transition. But I was so

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>happy that it was with him first of all. And

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I hope he was happy that it was with me

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.360
<v Speaker 1>because we were like immediate brother and sister for sure,

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Like we couldn't have had better chemistry and report with

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>each other, like we just got each other. Yeah, obviously

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you've done a ton of other shows Desperate Housewives to

0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 1>mention another big Emmy Award winning show, I have another

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 1>personal favorite. I I got into it late and then

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I did do the like thing that you need to

0:58:57.640 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 1>do on the office and I went back and watched

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>what felt like eighty seven seasons of Sons of Anarchy

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and I and I was a fan of the show,

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and I watched it. I haven't watched all the other spinoffs,

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's continued in various forms, I think. But it

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>occurred to me on that show that unlike the Sopranos,

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in that show, you do get to ride off in

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the sunset at the end and and kind of I mean,

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:29.160
<v Speaker 1>as difficult as as your character was, the struggles that

0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>she went through, uh, and not always the nicest of

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 1>people are best of people. Um, that you get redeemed

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in that show and get to write off in the sunset,

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought was was very nice. Did you have a

0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>nice experience working on that? I did. I was happy

0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>about that. I mean, my, my, it was unique, my

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:53.160
<v Speaker 1>my whole deal with that show. I always marvel at

0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the fact that, like I've known for all of these

0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:04.920
<v Speaker 1>shows that never really paid me, never money on these shows,

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's mine blow. People think I'm made of you know,

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cash over here, you know, so friendly

1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>as we don't get residuals period sons. I was a

1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 1>cameo in the pilot, that's it. Always friendly with the

1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 1>producer through a friend of mine, and I was in

1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the pilot and I die, that's it. They paid me

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a decent chunk of change to do that because I

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 1>was the only you know, it was me and Katie Seagal.

1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.720
<v Speaker 1>It was just us that people knew really that well

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 1>from television. So I was I was like, it's a

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.240
<v Speaker 1>fun cameo whatever. And then they said, wow, we didn't

1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.480
<v Speaker 1>know she would actually do it. Can we keeper as

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a regular? And I said, fun, Yeah, I would love

1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a regular. Just tell me where you want

1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>to go with the story because right now, I'm a

1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.840
<v Speaker 1>super villain. I've never played a super villain. I've only

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:56.640
<v Speaker 1>played vulnerable. So when they tested the show, the show

1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.600
<v Speaker 1>tested through the roof, and they came back and said

1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to me, we don't need to pay you because we

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>have a show here. We don't need your TV as

1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I need your celebrity. We're gonna be good with nowity,

1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:12.480
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna cut your paying. And I was like, okay,

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.080
<v Speaker 1>well I'm leaving then see later. And I left and

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I moved back to New York. I remember me. I

1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:19.800
<v Speaker 1>got back to New York fifty boxes in a truck

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and the minute I get there, my agent calls and goes,

1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you need to come back because you're gonna do Desperate

1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Housewives instead. And I was like, wow, okay. So I

1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:32.960
<v Speaker 1>took Desperate house but I wanted I wanted an out

1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 1>after a year. I didn't want to stay. Um, I

1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:37.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be tied into the show in case

1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't love it. So I took a really low

1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:43.360
<v Speaker 1>pay for that too, because I just wanted that contract

1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to give me that one year out. Then I watched

1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the I started watching Sons of Anarchy with my AX

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and I when we had the I had the flu

1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote Kurt, and I go to you gotta

1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:58.640
<v Speaker 1>bring me back because all my friends were riding me.

1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Try and come back and do something crazy. I go,

1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to bring me back for me back, I'll

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:05.200
<v Speaker 1>come back for nothing. He felt bad that EFFECTS had

1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:07.560
<v Speaker 1>tried to cut my pay in half. It wasn't him

1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.360
<v Speaker 1>when he told me that early on. So we'd stayed

1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.360
<v Speaker 1>in touch, and I wrote him and Katie and I

1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:14.240
<v Speaker 1>was like, guys, I'm loving the show. You guys are

1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:19.400
<v Speaker 1>crushing it. I think it was the Ireland episode and

1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, bring me back. I'll come back. I'll do whatever.

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't care how much you pay me. And I

1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.440
<v Speaker 1>did so for years. I was going back and forth

1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and doing Sons, but I wasn't really getting paid until

1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 1>last season. He came to me and said, I want

1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to do this with your character, but you can't leave

1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:37.680
<v Speaker 1>California because I'm gonna need you. And I said, when

1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to pay me and make me serious

1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>right here, and I'll stay because I would go back

1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and forth to New York and if I wasn't available,

1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't been on the show whenever they'd ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was how it worked. That's how my job,

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Everyone thinks I'm a series regular on suns

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<v Speaker 1>and I never I never was. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>if she's in town, she'll probably do something kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the last season, I said, fine, I'll stay in

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<v Speaker 1>one place, let's just shoot it out. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it. I loved to go back and that

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<v Speaker 1>capacity in the very end. It was nice to have

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<v Speaker 1>that character more fleshed out, because she wasn't really fleshed out.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't She was never an intentional character for the show.

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<v Speaker 1>She was supposed to die on the pilot. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like Adriana. Adriana was never written into the Sopranos. She

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<v Speaker 1>became a part of the Sopranos because she showed up

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<v Speaker 1>and that's who they went with. Eventually they liked me.

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<v Speaker 1>I got fucking lucking. The same thing happened with me

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<v Speaker 1>on Suns So I definitely feel really chant So it

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<v Speaker 1>was cool to end like that, And it was cool

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<v Speaker 1>to close out the show for them and to do

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<v Speaker 1>all the press at that time and to be the

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<v Speaker 1>voice of what was going on in the end. It

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<v Speaker 1>was cool. And then I got to you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was sexy with Turling on him. Everybody wanted that, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>wanted that. I got to do it. I could talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you all day. I won't take up any more

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<v Speaker 1>of your time, but I want you to know how

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<v Speaker 1>much I appreciate. Oh, Paradigm City, are you coming back

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<v Speaker 1>season two? Are you shooting that? I mean, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the most fun thing I've done since Sopranos. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to put that out there because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking guy who's a record label owner. He's John Avoldson's

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<v Speaker 1>estrange son. This guy built up a life so that

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<v Speaker 1>his father would see that he was doing something with

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<v Speaker 1>his life, right, but on his own he has a

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<v Speaker 1>record label. He's extremely successful. He has saved all This

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<v Speaker 1>is the filmmaker. He saved all his money and then

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<v Speaker 1>got investors to create his own TV show. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many episodes without a studio, without a network,

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<v Speaker 1>without any talent, and he put together a cast of

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube influencers and Disney stars and then basically part of

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<v Speaker 1>the cast of Sons of Anarchy, which is Me Boone

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<v Speaker 1>and Marian Herbst and makes a goddamn and rock stars

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<v Speaker 1>and makes this fucking TV show. I mean literally, there

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<v Speaker 1>would be scenes set up at the Roxy that were

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<v Speaker 1>so elaborate and we wouldn't get to them, and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, yeah, we'll do it next week, like

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<v Speaker 1>it was not even an issue like his I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>is abody to use one of my New York because

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<v Speaker 1>you words, his Huts book was so fantastic, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't get over this guy. I was like, I'm signing

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<v Speaker 1>on because I want to see somebody do this. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see this guy and make this happen. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so he blew me away. I don't know what he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it again. He sold it to Amazon and

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<v Speaker 1>it came out in the pandemic and it was perfect timing.

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<v Speaker 1>I never watched it. I never watched any I've only

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<v Speaker 1>watched The Sopranos, if anything I've been on because I

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<v Speaker 1>was a super fan of Sopranos, I don't even relate

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<v Speaker 1>to having been that character. Sometimes I watched it and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't thought it was me. That's cool, It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so awesome. I got to be on that show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, it's crazy. I'm gonna I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>watch The Office. I'm gonna watch it with the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do have a movie that's coming out September second,

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<v Speaker 1>and one is outright now. The one out right now

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<v Speaker 1>is called Collide, and that's with Ryan Philippi and Cat

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<v Speaker 1>Graham and Jim Gaff again and Jim is fucking unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Um. I think it's streaming now wherever you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim is playing like a really serious character. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it is out streaming wherever you stream things. I

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<v Speaker 1>am so excited to see this when I knew I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be talking to you, congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ryan is an old buddy of mine, so I

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<v Speaker 1>hope he was good behaved himself. I never got to

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<v Speaker 1>meet him because I played Jim's wife Gaff again, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not and he seems like he could be somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been on the office, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Yes, yes, for sure. And then the other

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<v Speaker 1>movie coming out September two, One Way, which just cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a machine gun Kelly, Kevin Bacon trap. I did

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<v Speaker 1>it because of Travis Fimmel, because I alre he was

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<v Speaker 1>just the hardest actor on the planet. When I watched

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<v Speaker 1>Dances with Wolves, I was like, who is this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>So when they asked me to come do it, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I said to Travis when I met him,

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<v Speaker 1>I said I would travel three thousand miles to put

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<v Speaker 1>a gun to your head any day, and that's basically

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<v Speaker 1>what I did. So I play a really bad guy

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<v Speaker 1>in that one, a real bad guy, a real gangster.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get to be the real asshole this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see it. Dretta, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for talking to me. I so appreciate it and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it. I'm a big fan and I wish you

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but continued success and uh, everybody will go and

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<v Speaker 1>check out One Way September second to see you play

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<v Speaker 1>a super villain. Awesome. Thank you man, it was great

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<v Speaker 1>meeting you. Nice to meet you. Thank you, Dreya, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on the podcast. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so much fun for me to hear your story. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it, I for one will never be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get enough of the sopranos. Your insight incredible, So

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