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Speaker 1: Dred and Mateo from Brian's favorite show. I there, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of Off the Beat.

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Speaker 1: I am your host Brian baum Gartner today, I'm your

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Speaker 1: you know what a fan I am of The Sopranos,

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Speaker 1: Matteo Adrianna from The Sopranos. Let me listen. Just listen

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Speaker 1: New Jersey Mob. There's some spoilers in this one spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: This is an amaze is in conversation about both The

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Speaker 1: bubble and squeak. I love it, Bubble and squeak, Bubble

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Speaker 1: and squeaker, cooking it every month, left over from the

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Speaker 1: nut before. What's up? Hi? How you doing? I'm so sorry, man,

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Speaker 1: I could not get it together. Everything in my house

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Speaker 1: happy that you agreed to come and talk to me.

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Speaker 1: I have we ever met? We haven't really. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have a confession to make. I've never watched The Office.

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Speaker 1: Well does that seem to me? Because it's right at

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Speaker 1: my first of all, well that's okay because we're not

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Speaker 1: going to really talk about that today. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so weird and what what years did it run from?

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Speaker 1: So it was on the air two thousand five two? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why. Because I was busy having babies and watching

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Speaker 1: going back slightly, because I when you had this manager,

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Speaker 1: out of the safe. You need to wear it because

424
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: I had this Andrea in diamonds on a rope chain

425
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: from my confirmation. She goes, you're gonna wear that. You

426
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: go tease your hair, go put makeup on and talk

427
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: like Silvana my neighbor. And I was like, okay, let's go.

428
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: And then I went with my parents in the car.

429
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: They were waiting for me. In the car, I ran

430
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: into Silver Cup Studios, which was in Queen's and I

431
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: think my audition and I came back out and I

432
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: my chicken cutlet sandwich and then I got I got

433
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: the part and it was just for one line. Though,

434
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, I still have my checks from from those,

435
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: my five hundred dollar checks from my first day player

436
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: role sitting on my remember sitting in my honeywagon and

437
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know what a Honeywagon is,

438
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: but Honeywagon is a trailer. You see where all the

439
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: trailers are part that have the tiniest little rooms ever,

440
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: so you know, like the main actors are not in

441
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: the Honeyway, they're little toilets. There are rooms with toilets

442
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: with a pillow on the toilet so you can sit

443
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: on your toilet while you're waiting to be called up.

444
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: That's a honey wagon. So I would be sitting on

445
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: my in my Honeywagon, sitting on the toilet every time

446
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: I got a script because they kept bringing me back,

447
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: which I thought was super cool. I remember being at

448
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: Craft Services, David Chase coming over with me and he goes,

449
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, people in the editing room really think that

450
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: you're a couple with Michael And I said really, and

451
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you guys have really great industry. And

452
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: I looked at him. I was like, must be the eyebrows.

453
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: People have big eyebrows. You know. Um that my episode twelve, man,

454
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on my toilet, sitting on my toilet in

455
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: the honey Wagon. And I was in twelve scenes and

456
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: I lost my ship and it ran to a pay

457
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: phone because that's all we had and I ran too

458
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: a pay phone with my script and I called my

459
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: mom collect and I said, mow, you'll well it twelve

460
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: fucking scenes. God, that was Let's see that that episode

461
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: of the music industry stuff, and that was it. I

462
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: was on my way to becoming series regular. And I

463
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: always tell people like I never would have gotten that

464
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: part if they were auditioning for a series regular, because

465
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: you know they were mirrort Rovino versus Tommy Debbie Mays

466
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: are all those girls would have been the perfect actors

467
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: for those roles, you know what I mean. So I

468
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: got really fucking lucky. You said your mom read the

469
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: pilot and talked about how good it was. Obviously your

470
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: experience in the pilot was, you know, was brief. But

471
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: at what point did you realize that this was not

472
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: just a job and they were giving you more to do,

473
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: but the show itself was something special? Oh man? I

474
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: you know, because I grew up in that world of

475
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: watching her critique scripts, and I've heard great script scripts everything.

476
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: And she wrote heavy about mafia because her father was

477
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: made guy, so you know, reading all her scripts about

478
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that subject everything, I knew I was reading something that

479
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: that was beyond you. Know. I also want to say

480
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: why films, So I studied Scorsese like a lunatic. Key

481
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: was my obsession when I was a kid in Main

482
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: Streets was my favorite movie. And then Good Fellows had

483
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: come out, and I it was I knew this was

484
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: going to be the greatest thing ever. I never thought

485
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: it would get made. I never thought that anybody would

486
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: recognize it. I never thought that it would be important

487
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: in the world and anyway, because I knew that it

488
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: was of such quality that it might just fail or

489
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: not be not be great, you know, and and and

490
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: the truth is, when the show did come out, we

491
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: did have a lot of critical acclaim, for sure, but

492
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: we also had a lot of a lot of haters.

493
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Hollywood still did them love us. I could tell when

494
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: we would go to the award shows. I could tell

495
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: the way we were not cared about on the red carpet.

496
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: It was really like people thought we were the real

497
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: people in the show, showing up and making a joke

498
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: out of their society. That's how it felt. It felt like.

499
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: And all of us actors to show some of the

500
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: people were very much like their characters, but a lot

501
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: of them were not really, not at all but we

502
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: were so into our characters and so into the show,

503
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and so into the idea of never breaking character for

504
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: the sake of the show. Um, so what you New

505
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: York actors, We're nuts, you know. So I feel like

506
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: we showed up in character. We should up in a

507
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: new Jersey transit, us on the red carpet for the

508
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Emmy is the first year and we all which rest

509
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: the part, you know, we came in like a fucking gang.

510
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: We were nuts and we were we had our egos

511
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: in check. We were ready to roamble. We were like,

512
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: we are the mafia. You all better step aside right now.

513
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: But they didn't want us. They did not want us,

514
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: and we felt it. It's so interesting. I have never

515
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: articulated this before, but I I was watching you, right.

516
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, eventually when you guys started showing up is

517
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: when we started showing up to the same stuff and

518
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: your people. That's who I was hanging out with at

519
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: those things. And I think to a large degree, it's

520
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: because both of our shows were that way right, Like

521
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: we were not friends. And I keep using that as

522
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: an example, but like, regardless of quality of show or

523
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: like anything else, they were all made to be on

524
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: the cover of Cosmo and Vogue and TV Guide and

525
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly, and we just weren't. We had one like

526
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: very special Entertainment Weekly cover edition and that was like

527
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: really big for us, and so we were always kind

528
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: of that way as well. The step children hidden in

529
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the back, and we were having fun. You know. Jenni

530
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: Fisher talks about us at our first Golden Globes, it

531
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: was like the Beverly Hillbillies come today. We showed up

532
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: at the Golden Globes. I showed up in a Honda Civic.

533
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: We were asking whereout, We were asking where the valet.

534
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't driving it, but there were four of us

535
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: crammed into a Honda Civic at the Beverly Hilton Hotel

536
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: and we thought we could valet some there like no

537
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: sirs and MAM's you can't valet. So one of the

538
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: one of our cast members, drove a mile away and

539
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: had to go find parking and walk. He's like, I'll

540
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: drop you guys off, and we went walking the carpet

541
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: with no invitation. Nobody cared. But it's so fascinating because

542
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: I think getting back to actually your point, we were different.

543
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Both shows actually were not made from that traditional television

544
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: model and mo, this is how it goes, and this

545
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: is how the people look and this is how everybody behaves.

546
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: We were not that, And I wonder if that's why

547
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I became friendly with so many of the folks in

548
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: your show as well, because I felt we were kind

549
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: of the same in a weird way. Well, I also think, like,

550
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, even though I haven't seen The Office the

551
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: way a lot of my friends are religious office freaks,

552
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I've caught some of it, and I'm

553
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: always like, God, this would be my favorite show if

554
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: I sat down and watched TV for a minute, because

555
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: it's it is so and like Sopranos, everybody gets it

556
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: from one thing. You well know, I always said this

557
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: about about the Sopranos. It appeals to so many people

558
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: on so many different levels. Um, you have the gumbas

559
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: that like it for the gunshots. You have the critics

560
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: that really understand the intellectual nature of the show and

561
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the way it's written and handled. Then you have people

562
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: that dig it for a family show. Then you have

563
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: people that are just mafia obsessed. Um, So it has

564
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: something for everybody. And I felt like the intelligence of

565
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: the show, which is what kept it in its in

566
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: its glory. I'd say the same with The Office, like

567
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: it was. The Office was so off the beaten path

568
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: and so genuinely different. Like the style of the humor,

569
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: the style of the jokes, just dry and not in

570
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: your face. It's not a sitcom, you know. It was

571
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: one of the for me, also one of the more

572
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: genious shows. And yeah, and you guys all looked like

573
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: real Pete, we all look like people too. Um, but yeah,

574
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I would say that you who are you hanging out with?

575
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: From the cast though when we were, I would we

576
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: were always very at least from me. I was so

577
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: shy that I was in the back row of anything.

578
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: I'd be in a corner. If we were at an event,

579
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: if there was a red carpet and I wasn't required

580
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: to be on it, I wouldn't be there. Um. I

581
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: was very shy, so I didn't. I didn't socialize at all, right,

582
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it was you know, we would say hello.

583
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: That's why I said, I mean, look, you're you're also

584
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: talking to someone in the Sopranos was around before. So

585
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: this for me, I mean spoiler alert, it is. It

586
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: is my all time favorite television show and your performance

587
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: in the show is one of my all time favorite

588
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: television performances in the history of television. No, but a

589
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: big part of it is what I talked about before.

590
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: That connection between voice and physicality and body and movement

591
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: and the specific journey that you went through was just

592
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: just stunning. But I want to I want to ask

593
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: you something because you kind of brought it up and

594
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't planning to ask you this specific question. But

595
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: is the Sopranos is it a Mafia show? Well, first

596
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: of all, thank you for all the things you just said,

597
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: because that was very nice to hear. A hundred years later.

598
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: It's there. It means a lot to me. And I

599
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: think about the whole team that was behind us creating

600
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: those characters with us and I and I'm so grateful

601
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: for all of them. Um, is it a mafia show?

602
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: The level of David Chase's writing, but the way the

603
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: way he formulated the show, the way he included every

604
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: It's no, it's not a mafia show. It's a show

605
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: about family and the Mafia is the backdrop. That's the

606
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: way I see it. Um, it has something for everybody.

607
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Everybody has their reason for loving the show, and they're

608
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: all different. So that's why I feel like even the

609
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: end of the season, the end of the whole show

610
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: to wrap up the way they ended it, and people

611
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: hated that so much, it really kept in line. I

612
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: don't even know if David Chase would agree with me,

613
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: but I always felt it kept in line with this

614
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: sort of blank canvas where the show could be what

615
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: you wanted it to be for you. You could take

616
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: away from it what was important to you, whether it

617
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: be or a woman in a family having a husband

618
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: was cheating on her um, or you're you know, a

619
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: guy caught up in the crime, or you know, whatever

620
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: it is. So I always felt that way, especially at

621
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: the end too. It was another blank canvas for the

622
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: audience to say, this is how I want to see

623
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: the story end. Yeah. In preparing to talk to you,

624
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean this, this goes to the point, Um, we

625
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: have a great staff. They put together a lot of

626
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: a lot of questions or things for me to think

627
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: about talking to you about. There there was a point

628
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: written down about your character and what big issues that

629
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: she had to deal with, domestic violence, infertility, health issues,

630
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: and then finally encounters with the FBI. Now, maybe aside

631
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: from encounters with the FBI, the FBI that may be

632
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: more mafia specific, but the complexity of issues that the

633
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: show was talking about. I always viewed it the same

634
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: as you. It was about a family dealing with issues

635
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: and their family. They're connected, family dealing with issues. Uh,

636
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: the mafia was just a backdrop for it, but it

637
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: was talking about so many other important things. Was it

638
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: difficult for you diving into such dark stuff? I mean

639
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the violence with Christopher, infertility, dealing with that, the health

640
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: issues that your character was going through. Were you able

641
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: to leave it behind or had you? Did you go

642
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: so method that you would carry that stuff with you afterward?

643
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: I was I have lost a friend. During that time,

644
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have kids yet, having kids and doing what

645
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: I do, what we do, you know, I had to

646
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: start dialing back, like maybe I'm gonna use a tear

647
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: stick now, you know, maybe I'm not gonna sit and

648
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: prepare for six hours before I show up it's on set,

649
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, because I can't imagine sitting around thinking about

650
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: my kids being mutilated and destroyed, because that's where I

651
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: would go. I at that time, it was extremely method.

652
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: I would hold on to everything and carry it around

653
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: in a box. And I never wanted to be antisocial

654
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: on set. I never wanted to come across like a

655
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: fuck to anybody. So I always made sure that I

656
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: could let the air out every two seconds when it

657
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: was time to talk to the hair and makeup wardrobe.

658
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: But they also always knew that there was you know,

659
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: my my best friend now who was the PA on

660
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: the show, and she's one of my best friends now

661
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: in life. She always do to keep everybody away from me.

662
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I wasn't. Everybody has a different

663
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: method of action. Some people are more methodical and can

664
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: show up and do their work. I was definitely more

665
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: like a tighter in a cage because I didn't have

666
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: that much training. I used to wild animals a film student.

667
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know. You know, I had done a little

668
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: bit of training, but it wasn't immense. It was definitely

669
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I think if I would have to go through that now,

670
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: it might be harder, or maybe looking back on it,

671
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: it was hard because I know when it was time

672
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: for me to leave, When they told me that I

673
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: was going to be leaving the show, I had to

674
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: find my piece in that. So the only way to

675
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: find my piece in that was to say, you know,

676
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm ready to laugh because this has been a year

677
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: of crying NonStop. So when Joey came along, fucking Joey

678
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: speaking of friends, I always like, I didn't want to

679
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: do it, but my dad was like, you you're taking

680
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: this job. He made me take that fucking job and

681
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: bought me this house. So I mean it was a

682
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: good deal. But you know, between he and Matt le

683
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: Blanc got there, I had no choice but to take

684
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: that show. But I knew that I needed to laugh

685
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: after that because it was intense in the end, but

686
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: not always. It was just in the last year before that,

687
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: and it was a party. That's why I was asking

688
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: on Sundays after the awards, would you hang out with us?

689
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: Because we were not There was a select group of

690
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: us that would get together after the awards and we

691
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: would end up at an after hours place called the

692
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: mouse Trap. I don't know if you were ever there.

693
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Every time we'd go into an award

694
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: ceremony and they would put us up either at the

695
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: Peninsula or the Four Seasons. I would end up on

696
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: a two months hangover at the Hotel. I literally would

697
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: move into the hotel and not meet for months. I

698
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: remember you all staying at the Four Seasons. That's all

699
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I'll say. I remember you guys staying at the Four Seasons.

700
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: That was in the end. The Peninsula was our first. Yeah,

701
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: I see, I wasn't. I wasn't around them. We joined

702
00:39:48,280 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: you at the end. I have to ask you a

703
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: couple of questions about Adriana and the character. Specifically, what

704
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: do you think her relationship with Tony was? How does

705
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: she view him? I well, I mean, look, as soon

706
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: as I knew I had that storyline all of a sudden,

707
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I had like, well, I think I always had the

708
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: biggest hearts in my eyes for Jim. I even tell

709
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: her his his wife. I'm like, you know, I had

710
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: a crush on him. He was hot man, those eyes

711
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: like he was the sexiest guy alive to me in

712
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: those days. Um, Adrianna, would she necessarily be into him.

713
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: She was so loyal to Christopher, she loved him so

714
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: so much. I think that it was for her, more

715
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: than anything, a fleeting moment of of just enjoying the

716
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: attention from some one who was powerful, someone who was big,

717
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: someone who felt safe. And I think that she enjoyed

718
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: his company a little bit, but I don't think that

719
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: that there ever. I don't think she would have ever

720
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: really want I mean, the thing got nicked in the

721
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: bud obviously, but I don't even I never even got

722
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: that far when I was doing the podcast watching those episodes,

723
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what happened there because I haven't

724
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: watched them since they are it's been it's it's been

725
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: fairly recent. I went back and watched it within the

726
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And you know, the car accident, right,

727
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: we were going to get blood. Yeah, the car, the

728
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: car accident happens, and the car accident is what sets

729
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: things on end with Christopher because you know, he finds

730
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: out you're in a car accident and it's very concerned,

731
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: and then or Adriana not you and a car accident,

732
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: is very concerned and then finds out it's whatever it

733
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: was three o'clock in the morning and telling yes, and

734
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Tony was with you. Um, but I thought that that

735
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: was danced around, and I thought, your answer right there

736
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: is really smart because in a lot of ways, right,

737
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Tony is so different from Christopher in terms of his confidence,

738
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: in terms of his power his effortless power and security

739
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: and that attention, particularly when you know her partner was

740
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: not giving it to her so much. It was just

741
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I thought that was just such a very interesting storyline. Yet,

742
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: as you said, she was so loyal and loved him

743
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Christopher so much. Would she would she ever? But I thought,

744
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: I think she also not have the confidence. She doesn't

745
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: have the balls to be with the with the formidable man.

746
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: I even though he's fucked up in all his ways,

747
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: he's still more of a man and Christopher is. And

748
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: I think that she's less of a woman than Carmela

749
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: is in a lot of ways because she she really

750
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: just focuses on the other person like she I mean,

751
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: she is trying to do something for herself with the

752
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: music industry and all that stuff. But I always look

753
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: back at my character and I think to because back

754
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: then I was like I have nothing like her, and

755
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: now I look back and I'm like, Jesus Christ, I

756
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: became her. I ended up dating all these musicians my

757
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: whole life and basically just doing everything in my power

758
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: to make sure they got to stand in their light. Meanwhile,

759
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: I was like probably wrecking my own little world to

760
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: a large degree, and I'm like, I turned into Adriana fucker,

761
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: but I really get a ship beat out of me,

762
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: but definitely a moment um feeling like like emotionally, I

763
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: was getting the ship beat out of me just by

764
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: having to endure the musician's lifestyle because they're all crazy

765
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: man's being in the mafia. It could be the same

766
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: thing we're always looking to get up to because climb

767
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: that ladder to get up there. When you received the

768
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: script for the episode Long Term or King, did you

769
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: know in advance where your story was going. I had

770
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: a feeling for sure, but I am I had gone

771
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: to David Chase before an episode five. I went to

772
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: David Chase. I remember this, and I remember the episode

773
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: and everything. I went to him and I said, hey,

774
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: I know that this may not end well, but I

775
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: just have a question. Because we take such long hiatuses.

776
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I like to direct a film. It was my first

777
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: time getting back into the possibility of going back towards

778
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: the other side of the camera. Um. One of my

779
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: mom's students had written amazing script and I wanted to

780
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: direct it, and I was going to start in it too,

781
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: So I brought that to him and said, I just

782
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: want to know when would be a good time for

783
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: me to do this. How long is our hiatu is

784
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: going to be? Am I even coming back? Maybe you

785
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: don't even want me to come back, and you're gonna

786
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: kill me. Now, who knows? Well, you don't want to

787
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: ask David Chase these questions. You don't let them know

788
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: that there's anything else that you might anticipate wanting to do.

789
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying I want to do this instead, I

790
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: was saying I want to do this as well. Well.

791
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: He said to me, I'm gonna shoot at two ways.

792
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot you getting killed, and I'm gonna shoot

793
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: you getting away, and no one's gonna know how it

794
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: ends until it airs. And I was like, it's not

795
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: even me, Like I don't know what you mean. And

796
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: he's like nope, he goes there's too much, too many

797
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: confidentiality issues on the show. We're gonna have to shoot

798
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: a two ways anyway because there's a snitch. There's a rat.

799
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus Christ. I was like, it's life is

800
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: imitating our here, right, there was a snitch on the show.

801
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: There was the confidentiality on our show was probably more heavy.

802
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: Dute even on any other show whatever existed, I would

803
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: say to a large degree because of this whole Monday

804
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: morning water cooler thing that had just been gone with us,

805
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: and and those storylines, especially Adriana dying, you know back

806
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: in Big Pussy Died, that was a big one. But

807
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: that was in the beginning, like you didn't, it wasn't.

808
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: This is now five years with this character and she's female.

809
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: It's different. So they shot at two ways, and I

810
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: lived from episode five until whatever the long term parking was.

811
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: That's when I got that script. And when I got

812
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: long Term Parking, there was something in the script that

813
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: bothered me, and I went to David Chase, I went

814
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: to Michael. Why didn't go to David Chase? I went

815
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: to Michael first, and then I went to Stevie van

816
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: Zana because he was going to kill me, and we

817
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: all talked about it. Um. They had a scene in

818
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: there where Christopher tells Tony that I that I spoke

819
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: to FEDS. He goes down to the laundry room in

820
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: in his in his house where they speak in Tony

821
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: Sprano's house and confesses everything while he's crying and and

822
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Tony Saprani says I'll handle it. And then you see

823
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: the next scene of him calling me, and you know

824
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: that now she's dead, and that's it. I really wanted

825
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: that scene taken out. I felt like, and I've never

826
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: been outspoken about anything, but I really felt like that

827
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: scene saying in there would have just I feel like,

828
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: let this be the biggest moment of the season and

829
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: let everyone not know what's about to happen. Like everyone

830
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: should just be like what is about to happen and

831
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: freaking the funk out instead of knowing exactly what her

832
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: ride is that ride with Sylvia, So me, Stevie, and Michael,

833
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: I think we all discussed it with them and tried

834
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: to have it removed. I didn't know if it would

835
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: help or anything, but when I watched the show, it

836
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: was gone. And then if you watch the next season,

837
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: it go. They showed that actual scene in a flashback

838
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: because they shot it, but they used it in a

839
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: flashback for season six, I guess. So I was like,

840
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: thank God, because I really was protective of how it

841
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: would end. And that was it. That was my That

842
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: was my sman song right there. Yeah, you riding in

843
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: the car with Stevie on the way, not of course,

844
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: as you just indicated not fully knowing where you were going,

845
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: but as you start driving and it changes, uh, it

846
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: becomes it becomes clear. Just one of the most haunting

847
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: scenes and beautifully performed and shot scenes I think in

848
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: um in the show. And of course you don't actually

849
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: see you dying, but that horror and fear on your

850
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: face makes it even worse that you don't see. I

851
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: remember Steve van Zand was on a talk show. I

852
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it was like Leno or something, and

853
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: he goes, so, what were you doing? Did she? Did

854
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: she die? And he looks at at Leano whoever it was,

855
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: and he goes, what do you think I was out there?

856
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: She will fucking squirrels. Stev, don't want to do it.

857
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: We labored so hard. At that point when we shot

858
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: that scene, I was done. I had already signed on

859
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: to Joey like I was done, you know, I was

860
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: ready to go, and he but if they weren't done,

861
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: they were still in it, and we're killing her and

862
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: I have to call her content, I have to pull

863
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: her by her hair, and I was just like, just

864
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: do it. Let's oh, we gotta do it. But yeah,

865
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: it was It was pretty freaking crazy that a whole

866
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: sitting in the car. But you see the way they

867
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: shot it. They shot at both ways that he used

868
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: the flashback of me imagining and getting away and then

869
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: we don't and then I don't get away, and honestly,

870
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: I still didn't know what the end was. Because I

871
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: signed on for the six the sixth season, I wasn't

872
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: allowed to take another show. David came to me and said,

873
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: no other shows after this, you know that, And I

874
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but really, like give up my entire career.

875
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But they did sign me on

876
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: for three episodes to do flashbacks and also to shut

877
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: up um. But I still had to take the other

878
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: show because I had to. But if the news got

879
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: out that I had taken it, so that everybody kept

880
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: saying and the press that I was that I was done,

881
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: that I was dying, and I flipped out. He called me,

882
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I was bond Street Sushi in Manatan

883
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: with my with my ex, and he was like, we

884
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: need to talk. And I felt like I had done

885
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: the biggest betrayal of my life by taking that show.

886
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: And I don't know how the news got out there,

887
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: but it fucking leaked, and I was like, I'm gonna

888
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: fix it, don't worry. So I got my publicist to

889
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: get me on some talk shows. I wish I could

890
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: find it. I don't even know which one it was,

891
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: but I basically went on one of those shows and

892
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I not died, and I didn't

893
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: take jolly. What the fund is? Jolly? You know, was

894
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna get friends and offer to people. Crazy. Yeah, so

895
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: Brando's and and and and friends unite, Like, give me

896
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: a fucking break, you know what I mean. I had

897
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: to fake it until I until the show came out.

898
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: I felt so guilty that had got nowt so crazy?

899
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Uh you went the Emmy for Best Supporting Actress for

900
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: that season? What does that mean to you? So many things?

901
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: You know, looking back now as a fifty year old,

902
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: I think I was in my twenties when I won

903
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: that award. At that time, I didn't want to be there.

904
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: I was petrified of awards. I hated the Awards season.

905
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: I hated being there. It was a lot to get

906
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: me to show up to any of them. I don't

907
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: like a red carpet, I don't like getting dressed. I

908
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: don't like any of it. But I really had a

909
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: focus on the fact that, like I was being recognized

910
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and I and that it was important and I was

911
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: up against people who I fucking adore. I mean, I

912
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: think it was like Robert Robert Wyger, uh Clamity Jane

913
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: Deadwood at that part that she had played was really

914
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: something else, Like it was really out there, and then

915
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: they stopped her channing. Um so the Emmy didn't mean

916
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot to me now as an adult, you know,

917
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: and then I was a child in my mind. But

918
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: I also was very afraid to win the award because

919
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: I felt like every woman that had won an award

920
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: for playing a role like that had a really hard

921
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: time coming back, like Mersa Tomay and Maria Swarbino, like

922
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: all these girls who who could salt like this it's

923
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: really good and can like do that whole thing, and

924
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: they want to know word for it. It's like they

925
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: got to work extra hard to break out of that

926
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: after And these were film stars, so it's definitely easier

927
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: for them. But then you're a TV star doing that

928
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: and now everyone's U see you living in their living

929
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: room with them. I mean, you know, I'm sure people

930
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: when they see you, man, they know you. You You were

931
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: in their house having dinner with them every single night.

932
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: It's not like Brad Pitt or fucking Charlie's and everyone's like,

933
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, look it's Brad picture I was. They're like, no, hey,

934
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: what's up. Come on, what's gonna sit down there with you?

935
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: You know? And I'm soy. I never I'm like, yes,

936
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 1: let's take a picture. Yes, I could be crying having

937
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: a moment with my family and someone is like, you

938
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: know what, this is it? This is my moment with you,

939
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

940
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. I never put the in the out.

941
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: It lived on the floor in my guest bathroom for

942
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: years of your guest bathroom. Yes, and so the floor

943
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: of the closet. I used to joke around I was

944
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: going to throw it off a Laurel Canyon because I

945
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: always felt like I felt like life was best when

946
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: I was on Sopranos. I felt very fortunate to continue working,

947
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: for sure, But nothing ever felt like the Sopranos to

948
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: me ever. Working in New York. You know, my people,

949
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: my world, my heritage, like everything that I come from

950
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: and everything that I believe, you know, in in great

951
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: writing and structure, all that stuff. It all existed in there.

952
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: I never ever had a moment where I was like, no,

953
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: this sucks. I don't feel like saying this. I don't

954
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: want to say Christopher all the time, but but I

955
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: really was very appreciative to you mentioned well, you mentioned

956
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: having to lie about it. Eventually you do join Joey,

957
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: which is uh going to be the next big NBC

958
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: comedy show. You're moving from comedy. You talked about your

959
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: dad and Matt LeBlanc telling you you had to do it,

960
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: that it was time for you to get out of

961
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: that world. Was it difficult for you? This is just

962
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: what occurred to me when I started looking at the dates.

963
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: It was hard for me to remember. Was it difficult

964
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: for you that your old family was still working on

965
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: the Sopranos and you were doing something so different, so

966
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: far away? Yes, I stole in the p a from

967
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: Sopranos to go with me and moved to California. Um,

968
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: so that felt good. She left the show and came

969
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: with me. They wanted to kill me. I mean, when

970
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: I tell you this is not just a regular p A.

971
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: You know how it is on set. I mean this

972
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: world that came every she became everyone's life there on

973
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: this woman ginger and now she's a you know, going

974
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: off to become a producer at some point. But so

975
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: I felt like I had that connection to the world

976
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: still because she was still so in touch with everyone. Um.

977
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: But it was exciting, man, it was. It was still exciting.

978
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: And I adored Matt so much. I remember being at

979
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: the Awards and I think he was there. I think

980
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: he was at the Emmys that year. It felt good too,

981
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: you know, I loved him like I I. We all

982
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: hated that experience while we were doing it. We were

983
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: all very unhappy because there was so much pressure on us. Joey, Yeah,

984
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't focus on what was going on with the Sopranos.

985
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: At that time. I was done. I was moving on

986
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: to a new chapter in my life. If I was

987
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: leaving New York. I bought a house in California. It

988
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: felt like all my dreams were coming true, you know,

989
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: like this was the next place to go. I was

990
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: making a lot of money. It felt fantastic. Matt and

991
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: I could not stop laughing for two years. But and

992
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: we still had fourteen million vieers by the way. I mean,

993
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: I just have to say that we were pitted that

994
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: we didn't have seventeen million, because that's what friends had.

995
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: We fourteen million, not too fucking shabby, but that was

996
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: considered a fail back then, and we were suffering through

997
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: that to a large degree. And we didn't like the writing.

998
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: We didn't the writing was up too far. Um. I

999
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: was a miserable because I didn't think I belonged there.

1000
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: I felt like a fake. I was nervous all the time.

1001
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: My Great Dane was dying, which I know, it was

1002
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: so crazy, and I needed to have him with me

1003
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: all the time because he was going through chemo and

1004
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: he's a two hundred pound dog. So he was on

1005
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: that Friend six. We had a friend stage. We were

1006
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: all I was in Jennifer and since room that I

1007
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: was across the hall from me with my giant dog

1008
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: shitting everywhere, and no dogs allowed on stages because at

1009
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: nine eleven there was all this, all these new regulations

1010
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: in place. So we would sneak a two hundred pound

1011
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Great Dane in and their doctors and they would do

1012
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: keemo there on set. It was insanity. So thinking about

1013
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: the sopranos and what those guys were doing at that point,

1014
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: and god knows how long it took them to finish

1015
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: finished this season, those seasons because they took these crazy hiatus.

1016
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Is you know, at least I felt like I was

1017
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: on a regular schedule for the first time. I didn't

1018
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: love being on that schedule. Um, the Sitcom schedule. It

1019
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: wasn't for me. Matt tried to sell it to me,

1020
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great, you know if you have kids.

1021
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have kids, bro. I am like,

1022
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, I need to sleep until twelve. What this

1023
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: I gotta be a work at eight in the morning.

1024
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: So you were not happy? No, I wasn't He wasn't happy.

1025
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: All we did, all of us, was complained on stuff,

1026
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: which was ridiculous because we all had it made, you know,

1027
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: and I think if we all sat down and talked

1028
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: about it now, we'd all laugh about it. But we

1029
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: did last whether we were happy or not. We didn't

1030
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: know what the hell, you know, we were coming off

1031
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: so much success on both of our shows. It was

1032
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: going to be a weird transition. But I was so

1033
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: happy that it was with him first of all. And

1034
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I hope he was happy that it was with me

1035
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: because we were like immediate brother and sister for sure,

1036
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Like we couldn't have had better chemistry and report with

1037
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: each other, like we just got each other. Yeah, obviously

1038
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: you've done a ton of other shows Desperate Housewives to

1039
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: mention another big Emmy Award winning show, I have another

1040
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: personal favorite. I I got into it late and then

1041
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I did do the like thing that you need to

1042
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: do on the office and I went back and watched

1043
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: what felt like eighty seven seasons of Sons of Anarchy

1044
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: and I and I was a fan of the show,

1045
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: and I watched it. I haven't watched all the other spinoffs,

1046
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: and it's continued in various forms, I think. But it

1047
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: occurred to me on that show that unlike the Sopranos,

1048
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: in that show, you do get to ride off in

1049
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: the sunset at the end and and kind of I mean,

1050
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: as difficult as as your character was, the struggles that

1051
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: she went through, uh, and not always the nicest of

1052
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: people are best of people. Um, that you get redeemed

1053
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: in that show and get to write off in the sunset,

1054
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: I thought was was very nice. Did you have a

1055
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: nice experience working on that? I did. I was happy

1056
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, my, my, it was unique, my

1057
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: my whole deal with that show. I always marvel at

1058
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: the fact that, like I've known for all of these

1059
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Speaker 1: shows that never really paid me, never money on these shows,

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01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: and it's mine blow. People think I'm made of you know,

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01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: a lot of cash over here, you know, so friendly

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Speaker 1: as we don't get residuals period sons. I was a

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Speaker 1: cameo in the pilot, that's it. Always friendly with the

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Speaker 1: producer through a friend of mine, and I was in

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: the pilot and I die, that's it. They paid me

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Speaker 1: a decent chunk of change to do that because I

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Speaker 1: was the only you know, it was me and Katie Seagal.

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Speaker 1: It was just us that people knew really that well

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Speaker 1: from television. So I was I was like, it's a

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01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: fun cameo whatever. And then they said, wow, we didn't

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Speaker 1: know she would actually do it. Can we keeper as

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Speaker 1: a regular? And I said, fun, Yeah, I would love

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Speaker 1: to be a regular. Just tell me where you want

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Speaker 1: to go with the story because right now, I'm a

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Speaker 1: super villain. I've never played a super villain. I've only

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: played vulnerable. So when they tested the show, the show

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: tested through the roof, and they came back and said

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Speaker 1: to me, we don't need to pay you because we

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Speaker 1: have a show here. We don't need your TV as

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01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: I need your celebrity. We're gonna be good with nowity,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna cut your paying. And I was like, okay,

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: well I'm leaving then see later. And I left and

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01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: I moved back to New York. I remember me. I

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01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: got back to New York fifty boxes in a truck

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Speaker 1: and the minute I get there, my agent calls and goes,

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Speaker 1: you need to come back because you're gonna do Desperate

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: Housewives instead. And I was like, wow, okay. So I

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: took Desperate house but I wanted I wanted an out

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01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: after a year. I didn't want to stay. Um, I

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be tied into the show in case

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01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: I didn't love it. So I took a really low

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: pay for that too, because I just wanted that contract

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01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: to give me that one year out. Then I watched

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01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: the I started watching Sons of Anarchy with my AX

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: and I when we had the I had the flu

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01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: and I wrote Kurt, and I go to you gotta

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01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: bring me back because all my friends were riding me.

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: Try and come back and do something crazy. I go,

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01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: you want to bring me back for me back, I'll

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: come back for nothing. He felt bad that EFFECTS had

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: tried to cut my pay in half. It wasn't him

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: when he told me that early on. So we'd stayed

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01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: in touch, and I wrote him and Katie and I

1104
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: was like, guys, I'm loving the show. You guys are

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Speaker 1: crushing it. I think it was the Ireland episode and

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: I said, bring me back. I'll come back. I'll do whatever.

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't care how much you pay me. And I

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: did so for years. I was going back and forth

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: and doing Sons, but I wasn't really getting paid until

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Speaker 1: last season. He came to me and said, I want

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: to do this with your character, but you can't leave

1112
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: California because I'm gonna need you. And I said, when

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay me and make me serious

1114
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: right here, and I'll stay because I would go back

1115
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: and forth to New York and if I wasn't available,

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01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't been on the show whenever they'd ask me.

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Speaker 1: And that was how it worked. That's how my job,

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Speaker 1: my life. Everyone thinks I'm a series regular on suns

1119
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: and I never I never was. I was just like,

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: if she's in town, she'll probably do something kind of thing.

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: So the last season, I said, fine, I'll stay in

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: one place, let's just shoot it out. So I was

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved to go back and that

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: capacity in the very end. It was nice to have

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01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: that character more fleshed out, because she wasn't really fleshed out.

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: There wasn't She was never an intentional character for the show.

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: She was supposed to die on the pilot. It was

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Speaker 1: like Adriana. Adriana was never written into the Sopranos. She

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: became a part of the Sopranos because she showed up

1130
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Speaker 1: and that's who they went with. Eventually they liked me.

1131
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: I got fucking lucking. The same thing happened with me

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: on Suns So I definitely feel really chant So it

1133
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: was cool to end like that, And it was cool

1134
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: to close out the show for them and to do

1135
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: all the press at that time and to be the

1136
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: voice of what was going on in the end. It

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01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: was cool. And then I got to you know, I

1138
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: was sexy with Turling on him. Everybody wanted that, pretty

1139
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: wanted that. I got to do it. I could talk

1140
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: to you all day. I won't take up any more

1141
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: of your time, but I want you to know how

1142
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: much I appreciate. Oh, Paradigm City, are you coming back

1143
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: season two? Are you shooting that? I mean, that was

1144
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: the most fun thing I've done since Sopranos. I'm just

1145
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: going to put that out there because this is a

1146
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: fucking guy who's a record label owner. He's John Avoldson's

1147
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: estrange son. This guy built up a life so that

1148
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: his father would see that he was doing something with

1149
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: his life, right, but on his own he has a

1150
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: record label. He's extremely successful. He has saved all This

1151
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: is the filmmaker. He saved all his money and then

1152
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: got investors to create his own TV show. I don't

1153
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: know how many episodes without a studio, without a network,

1154
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: without any talent, and he put together a cast of

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01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: YouTube influencers and Disney stars and then basically part of

1156
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: the cast of Sons of Anarchy, which is Me Boone

1157
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: and Marian Herbst and makes a goddamn and rock stars

1158
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: and makes this fucking TV show. I mean literally, there

1159
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: would be scenes set up at the Roxy that were

1160
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: so elaborate and we wouldn't get to them, and he'd

1161
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, we'll do it next week, like

1162
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: it was not even an issue like his I don't know,

1163
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: is abody to use one of my New York because

1164
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 1: you words, his Huts book was so fantastic, Like I

1165
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: couldn't get over this guy. I was like, I'm signing

1166
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: on because I want to see somebody do this. I

1167
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: want to see this guy and make this happen. Um

1168
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: so he blew me away. I don't know what he's

1169
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. He sold it to Amazon and

1170
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: it came out in the pandemic and it was perfect timing.

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01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: I never watched it. I never watched any I've only

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Speaker 1: watched The Sopranos, if anything I've been on because I

1173
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: was a super fan of Sopranos, I don't even relate

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01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: to having been that character. Sometimes I watched it and

1175
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't thought it was me. That's cool, It's like,

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: it's so awesome. I got to be on that show.

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01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's crazy. I'm gonna I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: watch The Office. I'm gonna watch it with the kids.

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: But I do have a movie that's coming out September second,

1180
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: and one is outright now. The one out right now

1181
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: is called Collide, and that's with Ryan Philippi and Cat

1182
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: Graham and Jim Gaff again and Jim is fucking unbelievable

1183
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: in it. Um. I think it's streaming now wherever you can.

1184
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: Jim is playing like a really serious character. Yes, yes,

1185
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: it's it is out streaming wherever you stream things. I

1186
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: am so excited to see this when I knew I

1187
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: was going to be talking to you, congratulations on that.

1188
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: And Ryan is an old buddy of mine, so I

1189
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: hope he was good behaved himself. I never got to

1190
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 1: meet him because I played Jim's wife Gaff again, which

1191
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: is not and he seems like he could be somebody

1192
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: that would have been on the office, you know what

1193
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes, yes, for sure. And then the other

1194
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Speaker 1: movie coming out September two, One Way, which just cool.

1195
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: That's a machine gun Kelly, Kevin Bacon trap. I did

1196
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: it because of Travis Fimmel, because I alre he was

1197
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: just the hardest actor on the planet. When I watched

1198
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: Dances with Wolves, I was like, who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: So when they asked me to come do it, I

1200
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: was like I said to Travis when I met him,

1201
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: I said I would travel three thousand miles to put

1202
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: a gun to your head any day, and that's basically

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01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: what I did. So I play a really bad guy

1204
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: in that one, a real bad guy, a real gangster.

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: So I get to be the real asshole this time.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. Dretta, thank you so

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01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: much for talking to me. I so appreciate it and

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I'm a big fan and I wish you

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Speaker 1: nothing but continued success and uh, everybody will go and

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: check out One Way September second to see you play

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Speaker 1: a super villain. Awesome. Thank you man, it was great

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01:07:47,800 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: meeting you. Nice to meet you. Thank you, Dreya, thank

1213
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the podcast. It was

1214
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: so much fun for me to hear your story. And

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01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: let's face it, I for one will never be able

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: to get enough of the sopranos. Your insight incredible, So

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Speaker 1: thank you, and listeners, thank you as always for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to follow us on at Off the Beat

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, leave us a review on Apple podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast wherever you like to listen and

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Speaker 1: have a fan freaking tastic week. All right, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be back before you know it, and Oh, it

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Speaker 1: will be awesome. Off the Beat is hosted an executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and

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Speaker 1: Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and

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Speaker 1: our intern is Sammy Katz. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak,

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Speaker 1: performed by my great friend Greed Bratton