Speaker 1: It's a new edition of Birdland Territory and off day
Speaker 1: edition coming out of the series of Minnesota and ahead
Speaker 1: of the series in Tampa Bay. Amazingly, the Orioles are
Speaker 1: still two games out of the wild Card. I really
Speaker 1: thought it was three this point, checked again this morning
Speaker 1: and double check. Wait, I'm I seeing that right now
Speaker 1: they only have to climb over five teams to get
Speaker 1: that spot. There is a real problem. Texas is holding
Speaker 1: that spot, believe it or not. At sixty and sixty
Speaker 1: one Minnesota, Detroit a halfback, Cleveland a game back, Toronto
Speaker 1: game and a half back, which means the Oils are
Speaker 1: last place by the way, and Baltimore two out. So
Speaker 1: the math still works. But as we begin a new
Speaker 1: Birdland Territory with Steve, tim and Brad, I would like
Speaker 1: to ask my co hosts, where is your hope level
Speaker 1: at this point? I think it reflects Land, which is
Speaker 1: really low right now. Man, if we put this for
Speaker 1: a vote to make it or not to be a
Speaker 1: landslide against Having said that, you're a five game winning
Speaker 1: streak away from making it real exciting. But we haven't
Speaker 1: seen that much this year. What are your guys' thoughts
Speaker 1: coming out of the Minnesota series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my my biggest concern is that there's just more
Speaker 2: teams climbing ahead of them, and that's it just gets
Speaker 2: tough because when you win a game, you have to
Speaker 2: expect five other teams to lose in order to actually
Speaker 2: gain a game in the standing. So, yes, there are
Speaker 2: only two games out, but when you start doing the math,
Speaker 2: it starts to get a little bit more difficult to
Speaker 2: climb up the standings. And it just it's the up
Speaker 2: and down it's been all season. It's, you know, the
Speaker 2: pitching hasn't been the best the last five games, and
Speaker 2: the offense has kind of scored some runs, and it's
Speaker 2: just that it's not lining up, and it just it
Speaker 2: kind of just feels like the same thing that we've
Speaker 2: been talking about the entire season. It's just the inconsistency
Speaker 2: of both sides of the ball. And that's where I
Speaker 2: feel like they're at in the standings. That's why they
Speaker 2: are there, and it's it just to me, it's it's
Speaker 2: just gonna get more difficult if you're not able to,
Speaker 2: like Steve said, put together five game winning streaks, because
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what's going to take at this point,
Speaker 2: and the inconsistency, to me is just kind of the
Speaker 2: red flag that I just don't know if they're going
Speaker 2: to be able to sustain that the rest of the season,
Speaker 2: even though.
Speaker 3: You know, they started talking about a fifty game sprint.
Speaker 3: It's just over.
Speaker 2: When you look at the course of the season, you
Speaker 2: just can this team actually sustain winning baseball and they
Speaker 2: just haven't proven it to this point, So that would
Speaker 2: be my concern with them getting back into the wild
Speaker 2: card standings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of just spinning your tires. And I
Speaker 4: feel like we've said this about a lot of series,
Speaker 4: but you can sort of say that this series is
Speaker 4: kind of a microcosm where Game one Dean Kramer best
Speaker 4: start of his season by far, one of the best
Speaker 4: starts of his career, seven innings, just one in and
Speaker 4: run one to hit, one walk, give them credit for
Speaker 4: fighting late. Then Game two you score the runs early
Speaker 4: and then the offense goes quiet, but you win. That
Speaker 4: game sets up a rubber match, and then yesterday you
Speaker 4: couldn't feel even better, you know, with Shane bos on
Speaker 4: the mound, because over his last fifteen start he pitched
Speaker 4: to us Sell up a three eer. But he's just
Speaker 4: never gotten run support. Dylan Beavers had the big blast,
Speaker 4: the three run homer to put you up four to
Speaker 4: one with Boz on the mound, but Boz didn't have
Speaker 4: it and you ended up losing that game, losing that series.
Speaker 4: And it's just a bad direction that this team is in, guys,
Speaker 4: because they've lost five of their last seven series.
Speaker 5: You're not gaining any sort of momentum.
Speaker 4: And now you're entering arguably, maybe not even arguably, you're
Speaker 4: your toughest part of your schedule remaining.
Speaker 5: These next ten games.
Speaker 4: You have the Rays at the Trop and that that
Speaker 4: was a rough series at the Trop last time they
Speaker 4: were there, they swept the Rays of Camden Yards. But
Speaker 4: the Rays of won nine straight games. They have the
Speaker 4: best record in the majors right now. Then get take
Speaker 4: on the Yankees, which that's always tough, and then the
Speaker 4: Rays again. So these next ten games, that's a bearer
Speaker 4: of a schedule. Over this next week and a half.
Speaker 1: You have the memo to national me never never say
Speaker 1: again the Rays can't win it. Please please don't do that,
Speaker 1: because in March. In March, the narrative was it's a
Speaker 1: four team race in the Al East and any of
Speaker 1: the four can win it, but we know Tampa won't. Okay,
Speaker 1: well again as they just the Tampa Bay Ray's magic.
Speaker 1: They can change front office people, they change players, it
Speaker 1: just keeps going. Whatever they have the you know, the
Speaker 1: Oriels needs some of that to rub off on them.
Speaker 1: So question comes should they start playing for next year?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, if I hear any of
Speaker 1: that from the Oriel management, it will shock me because
Speaker 1: I think they just think, what you're two out, you
Speaker 1: just you just still got to try to play for
Speaker 1: this year. Even as bad as it's gotten. They are
Speaker 1: four and seven this month, they're having to losing road trip,
Speaker 1: but just the signs are bad everywhere they look. But
Speaker 1: even if they played for next year, what would that
Speaker 1: even mean? More at bad for Jackson Holiday, they're playing
Speaker 1: him more at bats for Kobe, they're playing him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know it, does it make sense? Is
Speaker 1: there a play for next year they could even turn to?
Speaker 2: I think by the just watching the last three or
Speaker 2: four starts, I know the starters didn't have their best stuff,
Speaker 2: but the fact that Trevor Rodgers Boz a couple of
Speaker 2: the guys there in these last four or five starts,
Speaker 2: they've only thrown like sixty pitches, eighty pitches at the most.
Speaker 2: If you're playing for next year, you're not pulling the start.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're not pulling the starter right there.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I know they didn't have their best stuff,
Speaker 2: but I feel like if you're just kind of trying
Speaker 2: to play out the games, you let the starters go
Speaker 2: one hundred, then you go to your bullpen and kind
Speaker 2: of see where it falls there. But they're clearly trying
Speaker 2: to win these games. The bad start in Texas. Can't
Speaker 2: remember who the starter was at the time, but I
Speaker 2: think it was eighty pitches. He was COVID.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's two or three innings. He was out
Speaker 3: of the game.
Speaker 2: Then Boz yesterday three innings, and I just feel like,
Speaker 2: if you're playing for next year and trying to see
Speaker 2: what you have, you're not going to these guys immediately.
Speaker 2: And Cam Sanders through two innings on Monday. He comes
Speaker 2: back in yesterday trying to get multiple innings, which is
Speaker 2: tough to do as a reliever, and probably a spot
Speaker 2: he hasn't really done. So to me, it's I think
Speaker 2: I think both can kind of be true. I think
Speaker 2: you try to see the pieces you have for next
Speaker 2: year moving forward and still try to win the games,
Speaker 2: and you don't want you know, yesterday, I think if
Speaker 2: Boss stayed in there, it could have got really ugly.
Speaker 2: But so I think you're trying to win the games
Speaker 2: the best you can and to see what you have
Speaker 2: moving forward. So I feel like there's some kind of
Speaker 2: wiggle room there between you know, playing for this year
Speaker 2: and intending for the wildcard and really.
Speaker 3: Finding out what you have moving forward.
Speaker 2: Because the trades that they made to me scream we're
Speaker 2: playing for twenty twenty seven and beyond.
Speaker 5: And Michael I said as much.
Speaker 4: Look it, he didn't like the position they were at
Speaker 4: and that's why he told. And he said if they
Speaker 4: were in a better position, he would have bought, but
Speaker 4: they weren't.
Speaker 5: That was just their reality.
Speaker 4: And I've been pretty stepfast and saying this ever since
Speaker 4: the deadline ten days ago.
Speaker 5: It feels like forever go with this point God, But.
Speaker 4: I'm leaning in the guys that you were just talking about, Steve.
Speaker 4: I want to see Jackson Holliday every single day. I
Speaker 4: don't care if it's a left handed starter. I want
Speaker 4: to see Kobe Mayo every single day. I don't care
Speaker 4: if it's a righty. You know, Dylan Beavers and Kobe
Speaker 4: Mayo as well. I look, I hate to say it,
Speaker 4: and I know he's provided some boost for them recently,
Speaker 4: even in the midst of his struggles prior to that.
Speaker 4: But guys like Leodi Tavers, you know he's not gonna
Speaker 4: be here in twenty twenty seven. I'm curious how they're
Speaker 4: going to use Chris Bassett because all signs point to
Speaker 4: him probably coming back in the rotation. But Steve, I
Speaker 4: know you'd like to see Trey Gibson. I'd like to
Speaker 4: see Trey Gibson again even more kay Povich, I just
Speaker 4: think you can still play these young guys and get
Speaker 4: inventory on what you have. And I still don't think
Speaker 4: that's waving the white flag. You can still manage the
Speaker 4: game and play the game to win, but lean into
Speaker 4: the young guys while doing it.
Speaker 1: Here's my guest. My guess is Michael Farrett has bumped
Speaker 1: to the top of that list and that they'd like
Speaker 1: to see him at some point this year after reacquiring
Speaker 1: him in the Todler Wells trade. So the Orioles lose
Speaker 1: seventy five to Minnesota fifty eight and sixty three as
Speaker 1: their record as they head to Tampa. When we come back,
Speaker 1: what does the math say, Let's look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: what it might take to get the oreoles in. We're
Speaker 1: still gonna do that. I know that sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: there is math that could make it work. Can this
Speaker 1: team do it? I know everybody's saying no chance, but
Speaker 1: we'll give you the math in a moment here on
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Speaker 1: Berland Territory continues with you today, and so the recent
Speaker 1: math says this, since sweeping Houston, now the break as
Speaker 1: a very promising seven year win streak. At that point,
Speaker 1: they're nine to twelve and they've gone two and five
Speaker 1: the last seven series, losing road Trip two and four,
Speaker 1: So there was momentum there. They couldn't keep it going.
Speaker 1: So what does the math say. Now here's the way
Speaker 1: I look at it. Forty one games to go, eighty
Speaker 1: four wins might do it. You might even need less
Speaker 1: this year, as we've discussed, But let's just say eighty
Speaker 1: four was the number, which would be less than most years.
Speaker 1: The eros would need to go twenty six and fifteen
Speaker 1: at six thirty four ball. So it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: this team could do it, but other teams it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like could do it did it. So the math
Speaker 1: is still works for them. The issue is has to
Speaker 1: happen on the field lineup, not hitting mostly some of
Speaker 1: the starters even recently, some short starts, some leakage in
Speaker 1: the bullpen, and that's how you get two and five
Speaker 1: in the last seven series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when you look at that number twenty
Speaker 2: six and fifteen, you're going to the trup where I
Speaker 2: think I saw last night.
Speaker 3: I think the numbers are.
Speaker 2: Right forty one and eighteen at home or something like
Speaker 2: that this year. I don't know if that's the actual number,
Speaker 2: but that's like that's insanety one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if you take.
Speaker 2: If you take that and you figure, okay, you win
Speaker 2: that series. Now you're looking at twenty four and fourteen.
Speaker 2: That's at the best case scenario. You can't imagine. You
Speaker 2: can't envision a sweep there. So it's just the numbers
Speaker 2: just start to stack up.
Speaker 3: If you don't put.
Speaker 2: Together series win after series win, mix in a sweep
Speaker 2: here or there, it just gets really tough. So it's
Speaker 2: the stretch is not gonna get any easier. And I know,
Speaker 2: I feel like we've made this statement fifteen times this year,
Speaker 2: But these next ten games I feel like are gonna
Speaker 2: determine whether or not they can actually make a run
Speaker 2: at this thing. And it's it's gonna get way harder
Speaker 2: before it gets any easier.
Speaker 4: During this ten game stretch. And maybe Steve I'll be
Speaker 4: even more optimistic than that. I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: gonna take eighty four wins, that this really might be
Speaker 4: eighty two, eighty one, or maybe even eighty one. Who knows,
Speaker 4: But I'm looking at this ten game stretch for the O's.
Speaker 4: The bottom can't fall out, like this can't be a
Speaker 4: two an eight.
Speaker 5: This can't even be a three and seven.
Speaker 4: Like if you could go four and six, you're realistically
Speaker 4: you're probably still in the mix.
Speaker 5: You're probably still with the striking distance.
Speaker 4: If you go four and six, and if you go
Speaker 4: five hundred or better, obviously that's that's gravy. But it's
Speaker 4: a tough remaining schedule. You have a couple of series
Speaker 4: where look, I bring up the A's, but the A's
Speaker 4: just won a series against the Red Sox, the Rockies.
Speaker 4: That's a winnable the Matts, excuse me. But besides that,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of teams still in the mix. You
Speaker 4: know that the Guardians, the Cardinals are still in the
Speaker 4: mix for an NL wild card. The Blue Jays you
Speaker 4: mentioned Steve are above the Orioles, now Yankees twice, the Brewers,
Speaker 4: so if they if they get in, they'll earn it.
Speaker 4: I just think it's it's a daunting schedule one. Just
Speaker 4: with this team's inconsistencies, it's gonna be an uproad to climb.
Speaker 1: I wish I'd double checked this before we start taping,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm right here. The last time the
Speaker 1: Oils played the Yankees, they won the series, and I
Speaker 1: believe the last time they played the Race they may
Speaker 1: have swept them. Yeah, so last time they played the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: they wont We've mentioned this number before. They beat the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: they beat the Yankees, they beat the Rays. The Euros
Speaker 1: have shown us at their best what they can do.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen their best in weeks now,
Speaker 1: and they just don't have that look of a team
Speaker 1: making a run. I mean they just don't. So are
Speaker 1: we here to put a fork in them. I don't
Speaker 1: think we are, but we're here to say we see
Speaker 1: what the fans see, and when everybody's seeing right now
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't have anywhere near the look of
Speaker 1: a playoff team and a team that's frankly in last place.
Speaker 1: So the orel is going to have to live with
Speaker 1: that for a little while. Let's go backwards and before
Speaker 1: we start taping, Brad, you made some comments about Shane
Speaker 1: Boss who just so crazy for this season, so perfect
Speaker 1: that the one time they get him runs, he immediately
Speaker 1: gave them back. It wasn't even didn't even keep the
Speaker 1: lead for like two minutes. His loss. He was down
Speaker 1: from ninety five point nine average ninety four, and he
Speaker 1: gave up nine hits in three innings that tied his
Speaker 1: career worst most hits allowed. He didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of bad games, this guy, he's pretty steady, but that
Speaker 1: was one What were you seeing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: To me, it was just, you know, trying to get
Speaker 2: the fastball down, trying to get his splitter was the
Speaker 2: biggest thing I saw.
Speaker 3: His fastball was just kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2: He was really getting into bad counts one oh two
Speaker 2: to oho with his fastball.
Speaker 3: Then when he's throwing his splitter, it was just up.
Speaker 3: Everything just seemed to be up.
Speaker 2: And when your velocities down a little bit, he relies
Speaker 2: on that fastball riding by people at the top of
Speaker 2: his zone. When you're not throwing ninety seven to ninety
Speaker 2: eight like he normally has, it becomes hittable. And it's
Speaker 2: crazy to think now that ninety four to ninety five
Speaker 2: is not plus velo in the major leagues, but these
Speaker 2: guys see it every single day. And if you're not
Speaker 2: able to get ahead with them and get your knuckle curve,
Speaker 2: which yesterday just didn't seem to have the bite and
Speaker 2: the break to it, you're gonna get hit.
Speaker 3: And the guy, the.
Speaker 2: Guys at that played the Twins yesterday were just super
Speaker 2: comfortable up there. They got in advantages count advantage counts,
Speaker 2: and they really took advantage of the fastball up and
Speaker 2: it was hard contact a lot of the a lot
Speaker 2: of the game, and he was lucky enough to keep
Speaker 2: him in the ballpark, but it wasn't lucky enough to
Speaker 2: you know, get out to people.
Speaker 3: It was it was line drives all over the place.
Speaker 2: And I just think it has a lot to do
Speaker 2: with making a ton of starts, and he's been very
Speaker 2: reliable and he's thrown a lot of innings and the
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: The Orioles. Who knows where they would be if he
Speaker 3: hasn't had the year that he's had.
Speaker 2: But it's just kind of one of those days where
Speaker 2: Ben kind of made a good comment on the broadcast yesterday,
Speaker 2: one third of the year is gonna be you're just
Speaker 2: not gonna have your stuff, and that was definitely the
Speaker 2: one third that he just didn't have his stuff and
Speaker 2: the Twins took advantage. And hopefully he comes out the
Speaker 2: next start and just kind of lets this one go by,
Speaker 2: but hopefully it doesn't linger into the you know, two, three,
Speaker 2: four starts down the line, But it.
Speaker 3: Could just be the August fatigue.
Speaker 2: It gets tough this time of year, and Shane Boz
Speaker 2: hasn't really made a full year's worth of starts before.
Speaker 2: It gets tougher guys at this time of year, and
Speaker 2: it could just be one of those starts. So I
Speaker 2: hope that he's able to just kind of wash this
Speaker 2: one and move on, but it was a tough one
Speaker 2: for him yesterday.
Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, I'm just glad that he isn't heard,
Speaker 4: because that was my fear watching that game, because whenever
Speaker 4: you see a velosity drop of it was two miles
Speaker 4: per hour on his fastball, two and a half miles
Speaker 4: per hour on the change up. He also wasn't getting
Speaker 4: anywhere near his normal spin rate on the knuckle curve.
Speaker 4: It was a difference of four inches compared to his
Speaker 4: year average, which is pretty substantial. So Shane Bos didn't
Speaker 4: have it last night, and it's really unfortunate because he's
Speaker 4: had a heck of a year and again his prior
Speaker 4: fifteen starts he had a two nine to three ERA.
Speaker 4: And the crazy part of it is the Orioles have
Speaker 4: won just four of those fifteen starts.
Speaker 5: Prior to that.
Speaker 4: Way, it makes no sense they just don't score for
Speaker 4: Shane Bos, but they did yesterday, and of course, in
Speaker 4: almost typical fashion of the season guys that they end
Speaker 4: up scoring for Boz and then Boz has a bad game.
Speaker 5: So just unfortunately, I'm.
Speaker 1: Really glad to have Shane Boz locked up because I
Speaker 1: think it's about time this team can count on some
Speaker 1: starters years down the road and they can say that
Speaker 1: now about Bradish and Boz. Brandon Young's under team control.
Speaker 1: It's a great start on next year. And to me,
Speaker 1: Shane Boz is a real pro. Getting to know him
Speaker 1: a little bit this year and being around on the
Speaker 1: for USA first for me, obviously he wasn't an oriole,
Speaker 1: but he handles himself so well. And I see, Brad,
Speaker 1: will you tell me what you see? Zero frustration with
Speaker 1: the lack of run support, And I don't think yesterday
Speaker 1: anying canna do with that. Some might say, oh, he
Speaker 1: finally got ticked off. Now, No, this is get way
Speaker 1: past that. This guy just goes out and does his
Speaker 1: job and doesn't care about that. He would he loved
Speaker 1: to get eight runs. Who wouldn't, of course, But he's
Speaker 1: going to do his thing, and I think it's so.
Speaker 1: I just think he's still a pretty young pitcher, but
Speaker 1: I think he can show Trey Gibson and Michael Farrad
Speaker 1: and Kate Povich and these young guys a little bit
Speaker 1: about how it's done every five days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt Shane boss is a true professional.
Speaker 2: The way he carries himself on the field, you can
Speaker 2: tell he's prepared every single start.
Speaker 3: That just happens in the big league.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can prepare do everything right, and you just
Speaker 2: don't have your stuff or you're just not it's just
Speaker 2: not there that day. But he never shows frustration, which
Speaker 2: I give him a ton of credit for his record
Speaker 2: at four and twelve. I think it is this year,
Speaker 2: and it's just when you watch it starts, it's like
Speaker 2: it doesn't add up. But he has been the same
Speaker 2: guy from opening since opening day until now. Nothing has
Speaker 2: changed on the mound. There's no frustration showing he wants
Speaker 2: to win, and when he's out there, he's a competitor,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't show the frustration. And I just think
Speaker 2: that's a great quality to have him. Like you said, Steve,
Speaker 2: to your point, there's a lot of guys watching these
Speaker 2: games in the minor leagues, and if you're looking for somebody,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nobody better than Bradish and Boss to
Speaker 2: watch out there. They are cool out there, they keep
Speaker 2: their composure, they get fired up when they need to,
Speaker 2: and they get outs when they need to. But outside
Speaker 2: of that, they just go out there and they go
Speaker 2: about their business and they do their job, and that's
Speaker 2: all you can really ask for.
Speaker 4: Michael Lijah said to give up a lot to bring
Speaker 4: in Shane Boz, but he's proven that he's worth what
Speaker 4: they gave up, and it was even better to double
Speaker 4: down and give him the contract because he's just been
Speaker 4: so consistent over this stretch and a bulldog. He eats innings,
Speaker 4: he's got nasty stuff when he's on. I think it
Speaker 4: was a great addition, and like you said, Steve, it's
Speaker 4: a great piece for the future him and Bradish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they acquired him looking at his status have
Speaker 1: always been mod you know, modest. He's never lit it
Speaker 1: up exactly like everybody thought. But you can see what
Speaker 1: they saw the potential. They led the Oils to give
Speaker 1: up hopping package of players to get this guy. But
Speaker 1: now they've got him locked up, so that trade, you know,
Speaker 1: they lessened the blow of giving up all the young
Speaker 1: talent because he's going to be winning games for the
Speaker 1: Oils for years to come. So that's that's great to see.
Speaker 1: And there's going to be a year soon, maybe next
Speaker 1: when he actually scored some runs for him and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have just four wins on his pitching record. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna note a couple of things
Speaker 1: on the miners, and we're gonna talk about a beaver weaver,
Speaker 1: which we saw in the final game of the series
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. That's next on birdl.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, the Oils heading into murderer's row here, raise
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Speaker 1: Weaver three run home run as an Euro as a
Speaker 1: Weaver and Beaver Beaver's hit a Weaver. But it's hard
Speaker 1: to say, don't try that at home three run shot.
Speaker 1: He'd gone forty five games without a homer, and we
Speaker 1: had Dylan on the show here recently. Everybody got Seed Graat.
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. I think he's a little disappointed
Speaker 1: with this season. And when I look at his total
Speaker 1: package of talents, I do see a future everyday regular
Speaker 1: who could have a good walk rate, who could hit
Speaker 1: two seventy, who could hit twenty bombs. I mean, he's still, oh,
Speaker 1: I think learning what it's going to take for him
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think so.
Speaker 2: And I think it's unfortunate that he had the injury
Speaker 2: earlier in the year that it really costs him a
Speaker 2: big chunk of the season, because when you're trying to
Speaker 2: get into the flow of the big league season, trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to do everything on a day
Speaker 2: to day basis. You throw an injury which probably didn't
Speaker 2: happen a ton when he was in the minor leagues
Speaker 2: or college or high school, and that just throws another
Speaker 2: wrench into it all.
Speaker 3: And I just think it's a confidence thing.
Speaker 2: I think once he's able to get out there and
Speaker 2: have some success and some sustained success at the big
Speaker 2: league level, he has all the talent there, and I
Speaker 2: think he's a big guy. He's got big power, he's
Speaker 2: got a good arm, plays a good outfield. So I
Speaker 2: think he's a really big piece for this team moving forward,
Speaker 2: and I hope to see him get a lot of
Speaker 2: chances of the rest of the year and just go
Speaker 2: out there and have some success going into the offseason,
Speaker 2: put the injury behind him, and really see what he's
Speaker 2: able to do, because I just in your rookie year,
Speaker 2: when you get hurt, that's got to be so tough
Speaker 2: for a player to get over that fact and then
Speaker 2: come back and try to get back into the flow
Speaker 2: of things. And the worst part of it all is
Speaker 2: I feel like right before he went to the IL,
Speaker 2: he was playing the best baseball we had seen from
Speaker 2: him this year, and then that that just felt like
Speaker 2: such a you know, stop right there and then try
Speaker 2: to pick it back up.
Speaker 4: It's just really hard, and that's exactly what's gonna stay Brad.
Speaker 4: You can go back to his numbers in May, look
Speaker 4: at that, Look at his month to May.
Speaker 5: Man he was building a ton of momentum.
Speaker 4: The ops was well over eight hundred that month, but
Speaker 4: unfortunately went down with the injury, missed a lot of time.
Speaker 4: But you can tell that Craig Albernaz really likes him
Speaker 4: and has a lot of confidence in him. We've seen
Speaker 4: him lead off quite a few times of late. I
Speaker 4: know Gunners had that spot most recently, but prior to that,
Speaker 4: Beavers was leading off.
Speaker 5: But Steve, that's one of those guys man like. Dylan
Speaker 5: Beavers has not played many games at the major league level.
Speaker 5: He came up late last year, got his feet wet,
Speaker 5: still maintained rookie eligibility.
Speaker 4: I want to see Dylan Beavers play every single day.
Speaker 4: And there's not a position group on this team that
Speaker 4: is more in flux heading into the offseason than the outfield.
Speaker 4: We just don't have a ton of answers on who's
Speaker 4: going to be in that opening day outfield so I
Speaker 4: see this next forty forty one game stretch. That's why
Speaker 4: I want to see Beaver's, I want to see Cowser.
Speaker 4: I would love to see Bradfield get his feet wet
Speaker 4: before it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe these forty one games will answer some questions
Speaker 1: about Dylan because I think if we could put the
Speaker 1: team management the truth serum, is he a big part
Speaker 1: of your future? The answer would be yes. But there's
Speaker 1: just enough doubt right now that you know, do they
Speaker 1: need to add another big thumping outfielder. Maybe they do
Speaker 1: to make sure they have that offense. So it's going
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Speaker 1: But I think it is a big forty one games
Speaker 1: for certain individuals. Yeah, and I think Dylan Beavers fits
Speaker 1: that mold to really show what he can do. His
Speaker 1: numbers were better last year after his call up than
Speaker 1: they have been this year to this point, and we
Speaker 1: touched on some reasons for that. So and Steve show
Speaker 1: we hope he does great threat the way right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve not Dan threw up And I was gonna
Speaker 2: say this before. Also, is when you give these guys chances,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody's gonna surprise you when you look at the
Speaker 2: way this team has gone this entire year, look at
Speaker 2: all the guys that have surprised Blaise Alexander, Lito Taveris.
Speaker 2: At times when you give guys opportunity, you just never
Speaker 2: know what's going to come of it. So I just
Speaker 2: at this point it's like, why not That's the way
Speaker 2: I would look at it, because you might find surprise.
Speaker 2: You might find your starting centerfielder every single day against
Speaker 2: righty's against lefties, and what a hole that would be
Speaker 2: to feel for this team moving forward. And if they
Speaker 2: get hot, maybe they help you get in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: which would be an unbelievable surprise too. So it's just like,
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's nothing to lose at this
Speaker 2: point with playing these guys that you see being a
Speaker 2: big part of this team moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they already believe in the guys. It's not like
Speaker 1: it just throwing them a life raft. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: to give them more play every day. See what he
Speaker 1: can do against lefties and so forth. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get to those minor league no to the moment here
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Speaker 1: I think if they had to vote today for the
Speaker 1: Jim Palmer Award Minor League Pitcher of the Year, it
Speaker 1: might be a two horse race. Caden Hunter, Joseph Jerwick
Speaker 1: some others would certainly be in that man. I watched
Speaker 1: Jerwoh pitch last night on the on the laptop. He's
Speaker 1: pitching at Redding six scoreless, one hit, he fans seven.
Speaker 1: He's ninety one ninety four. He's not blowing them away.
Speaker 1: At ninety eight. Change up is on point, secondaries, slider
Speaker 1: and sweeper are really starting to come. He's now in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred for Baseball America, number seventy eight.
Speaker 1: And Brad we were talking before the show, the three
Speaker 1: of us. We enjoy watching guys who aren't blowing hitters
Speaker 1: away have success. Yeah, this kid is doing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love watching guys that know how to pitch and
Speaker 2: know how to use their stuff. I don't want to
Speaker 2: call it the right way, but just how to use
Speaker 2: it effectively. It's just to me, there's nothing better than
Speaker 2: watching those guys pitch because nowadays, I think fans are
Speaker 2: so used to ninety eight to one hundred. When you
Speaker 2: see somebody throw ninety one ninety four, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's kind of a he's described as a soft tosser.
Speaker 2: But there's so many other ways to use your velocity
Speaker 2: and seeing guys like that have success, to me, it's exciting,
Speaker 2: and I think it's you can only look for things
Speaker 2: to looking moving forward, you can look for bigger things
Speaker 2: because if they get an extra tick in velocity, now
Speaker 2: there's stuff goes through the roof. There's always a big
Speaker 2: argument I have with guys I play with that do
Speaker 2: you want stuff first or do you want you know,
Speaker 2: pitchability first? And I would take the pitchability first over everything.
Speaker 2: And nowadays they can teach stuff, and they can teach
Speaker 2: you how to throw harder and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Before they couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: So I just love seeing guys that are that have success,
Speaker 2: that know how to pitch without throwing one hundred miles
Speaker 2: an hour every single pitch.
Speaker 4: I know that there are some fans that you know,
Speaker 4: roll their eyes when fans grabs put out. You know,
Speaker 4: the second best farm system. Baseball America just updated their
Speaker 4: farm systems yesterday.
Speaker 5: The Oreo was one from fifteen to five.
Speaker 4: That's a significant jump when they were fifteenth heading into
Speaker 4: the All Star break and then five after the draft
Speaker 4: and of course all of the trade deadline acquisitions that
Speaker 4: the O's got. But Juwak came in at number three. Steve,
Speaker 4: and we've been talking so much, especially of late, just
Speaker 4: how pitching is the strength of this farm system right now,
Speaker 4: which is a big one to eighty from four or
Speaker 4: five years ago.
Speaker 1: I think there are some real stars in pitching development
Speaker 1: on the O's farm. I don't get to see much,
Speaker 1: but Forrest Herman is their director of pitching development. I
Speaker 1: think he's rock solid. I've been to Booie and Frederick
Speaker 1: a lot this year and had some very wonderful chats
Speaker 1: with pitching coaches like Jeremy Heilman and Jordi Henry, and
Speaker 1: they really are sharp guys. When I talk to them,
Speaker 1: I learned something about pitching. And when they tell me
Speaker 1: how they work with jerwah As, they told me, hey,
Speaker 1: we know it's a plus fastball and change up and
Speaker 1: he's that's his bread and butter. But if this slider
Speaker 1: and sweeper keep coming like they're coming, and now he's
Speaker 1: got all kinds of weapons. And I could see last
Speaker 1: night he started first time through with his bread and butter.
Speaker 1: He worked it in. It was it was a great
Speaker 1: development game. He got all his pitches in, he used
Speaker 1: him in key moments, and he was just good throughout.
Speaker 1: I think Triple A should be calling this kid who's
Speaker 1: at one hundred twelve innings, So we'll see if that
Speaker 1: factors in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Steve, I would say, I think I can
Speaker 2: understand the Orioles fans frustration with hearing about the top
Speaker 2: drift or the top farm system, but I think it's
Speaker 2: a little different this time around. And I think that
Speaker 2: for two reasons. One is, like we've talked about, it's
Speaker 2: pitching heavy. As before, position players really kind of headed
Speaker 2: that list. And second of all is you're kind of
Speaker 2: looking for a couple pieces to help this major league roster,
Speaker 2: not a full roster like it was before when they
Speaker 2: were doing their full on rebuild. So I think there
Speaker 2: should be a little bit more excitement when it comes
Speaker 2: to the minor league system being ranked higher, just because
Speaker 2: we know the major league roster has a lot of
Speaker 2: pieces to help the team win, and I think you
Speaker 2: just need to find a few pieces to fill in
Speaker 2: as where before it was a full teardown, you're trying
Speaker 2: to find a whole team, and that's as we know,
Speaker 2: it can be tricky because not every guy is going
Speaker 2: to develop into a big leaguer. But if you can
Speaker 2: get two to three four guys that are big pieces
Speaker 2: for the big league team, that's going to make a
Speaker 2: huge difference.
Speaker 3: And that's why I feel like this time around is
Speaker 3: a little bit different.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's a good point, Brad, And I'd
Speaker 4: also say this, and I understand the fans frustration. I
Speaker 4: understand that obviously we were saying it probably was best
Speaker 4: to sell, and I think it's proven kind of in
Speaker 4: this recent stretch that Mike made the right decision. It
Speaker 4: stinks that the Orioles were in that position. Both things
Speaker 4: can be true. I will grant you that, but you
Speaker 4: would much much much rather, Steve, heading into this offseason
Speaker 4: have the fifth best farm system according to Baseball America
Speaker 4: than the twenty fifth best farm system, because you in
Speaker 4: a much better position for success. Not all of these
Speaker 4: kids are gonna pan out. We you know, you saw
Speaker 4: that the last go around. But pitching is like people
Speaker 4: covet that. You know, teams are going to yes, these
Speaker 4: guys on this farm were the old are going to
Speaker 4: trade some of these guys to acquire major league talents.
Speaker 4: So it's much better going in with a good farm
Speaker 4: system than a bead and then you're really feeling bad
Speaker 4: about the future process.
Speaker 1: We'll just remember the excitement about d L. Hall and Grayson,
Speaker 1: who are top one hundred pitching prospects. There was so
Speaker 1: much excitement about them. And the Oils have two top
Speaker 1: one hundred pitching prospects now, Ironston and Jerwah and I
Speaker 1: think Cayden Hunter is gonna mentioned give them three and
Speaker 1: there might be a fourth. So that is exciting, believe me.
Speaker 1: That's the you know, baseball wants pitching prospects all thirty teams.
Speaker 1: The Oils have it. If you have eight you like
Speaker 1: and you trade to you still have six you like.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just gonna help this team, not
Speaker 1: today but down the road. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: frustrates the bands. They want to help to shay these
Speaker 1: guys can't help them today, but they're doing their best
Speaker 1: to help them, you know, in the future. So great
Speaker 1: discussion on that guy's another good show in the books
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