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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's h always exciting to talk to

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's playing golf for a long long

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in your case of where you grew up,

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Speaker 2: So Richie, why don't you give our listeners a little

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Speaker 1: there which look incredible. Yeah.

434
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Speaker 2: So you were part of like the Scottish Golf the

435
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: like performance program when you're an amateur. Correct.

436
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was from almost age fifteen hours in what

437
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: we call the Scottish squads and progressed through what was

438
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: the Scottish Golf Union which now is just called Scottish Golf.

439
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I believe.

440
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: So like there they pick up your travel expenses, tournament

441
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: entry fees and then like coaching fees. Is that how

442
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: it kind of works.

443
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: They what happens is they they pay for some of

444
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: your expenses. It's not all of them, but once once

445
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: you're like a full let me say a full squad

446
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: member of the Scotland setup, then you get reasonable expenses.

447
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: So you still have to put in money of your

448
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: own to go go away and play tournaments, but they

449
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: assist you with that. And then the major thing is

450
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: is providing help with resources like strength and conditioning, physio

451
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: coaching if if needed, so you may have your own

452
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: coach you work with. You may come to the squad

453
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: sessions and they will Laise and work on that. But

454
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: over the I think over the last i'd say ten years,

455
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: it's it's changed a lot for the better. So it's

456
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: it's it's really really good now and the guys have, yeah,

457
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: a great structure behind them and a great performance set up.

458
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: But with anything can almost get better.

459
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: H How how would you compare and obviously you never

460
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: were a part of it, but compare it to like

461
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: a I know England has it, Ireland has it, Australia

462
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 2: has it. Are they all pretty comparable or is there

463
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: one that kind of stands out?

464
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Speaker 1: I would say it's funny. I think we so so

465
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: I was split it into two. I was split it

466
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Speaker 1: into your job is to sort of produce great amateur

467
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: and great amateur teams, and I think we've done a

468
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: really good job of that. We've always had a good

469
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: success rate of an amateur golf, especially with our team performances.

470
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Speaker 1: If you look at us when the European Championships, when

471
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Speaker 1: I played Homer Nationals, we really played well. I'm almost

472
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: dominated for about three years, which is is England, Island,

473
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: Wales and Scotland play every year. We did well in

474
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: the Europeans. We did pretty good in the Eisenhewer not great,

475
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: but I think top ten but there's not. But the

476
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: problem is we've, for one reason or another, we struggled

477
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to produce really good professionals in the last maybe seven

478
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: or eight years. Whereas you know, we're a level pegging

479
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: with England amateur. But then when it comes to professional,

480
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: they seem to produce a lot more professionals, a lot

481
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: more professionals who make it to a higher level. But

482
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: they have a population of fifty five million and formre

483
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: people playing golf, So it's not like for like, if

484
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: you see where I'm see what I mean.

485
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I've always wondered why the States don't have it,

486
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: But it could just be it's just so big.

487
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Now I think it's I think it's so big, and

488
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: the university is like the university budgets outweigh what what

489
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: the Scottish golf budget would be, I mean tenfold easily.

490
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.

491
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Like I hear stories that are just to me are

492
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: just incredible, Like I think this might be a mistake.

493
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: But roughly speaking, I think Georgia Tech I believe were

494
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: because I used to live in Atlanta at the time.

495
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: We're looking for a new practice facility, and they built

496
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: a new one downtown in Atlanta, and they had to

497
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: obviously purchase a land, they had to build a club house. Terrific.

498
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I would do them with it. I think cost thirteen

499
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: million dollars to do that.

500
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Illinois built one that was like eight

501
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: or nine million on on campus. That's it's crazy. And

502
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: it's like they these kids they go to school and

503
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: they hit. They can hit on a range that has

504
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: every different type of grass, kind of like what you

505
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: were talking to. They can practice putting on bermuda grass

506
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: even though they're in Illinois.

507
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, that to me is unbelievable. The

508
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: resources they have to do that, the vision they have

509
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: to do is pretty impressive. But what I would say

510
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: is it's really important to have good resources. But even

511
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I fell into the this trap is that when I

512
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: was in Scotland, I was far more hardened two traveling,

513
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: playing in tough conditions. So then when I got to

514
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: like a nice country club, I'd be like, oh, this

515
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Look at this that there's nucrobe ones in

516
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: the range, Like you know, this is we're petting off,

517
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: turn out and off matts, there's no wind. You know,

518
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: the greens are running at like ten and a half.

519
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: This is incredible. Whereas sometimes you can build up these

520
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: great facilities, but if I was a coach, yeah, let

521
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: them practice fill it, but one day a week, I

522
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: take them to the worst place, worst golf course in

523
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: wherever they were, and make them play, and I want

524
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: to see them hit it out of like rubbish lies,

525
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: putting greens that aren't that great, deal with conditions and

526
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: see how they're actually develops over that day and see

527
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: how they work with that, because you because when you

528
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: have everything at your disposal, it's only going to get

529
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: worse from there because it doesn't. It's not all. It's

530
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: not all one hundred percent first class facilities everywhere you go,

531
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: especially when you're starting out in professional golf.

532
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: Like the challenge to her, I bet you you probably

533
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: played a lot of places that were suspect at best

534
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: and conditioning.

535
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Chancer has got a lot of good

536
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: courses and it's a great tour to build off. But

537
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: when I played, you know, sometimes there wasn't a driving range.

538
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: You know, you're just hitting a net and then you

539
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: teed off on the first so you know, you've got

540
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: to You've got to deal with that, and you have

541
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: to and then you go and play, you know, qualifying

542
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: school and you know, say the weather hasn't been great

543
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: and the golf courses in great condition. You've got to

544
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: deal with that. And I think I'm a big believer

545
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: that adversity makes you very strong. And it's not in

546
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the peaks that we build the characters in the troughs

547
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: and when you're down in a lot, in the sort

548
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: of trenches, that's where you build your character and your

549
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: belief and your determination, your motivation which will see you

550
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: get to the top. And when you're at the top,

551
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: you need to remember that.

552
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think golf is it's a different sport in

553
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: the sense that like you almost learn more when you fail,

554
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: like when you get in a moment and you fail,

555
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: because then the next time you you remember that and

556
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: you might think differently.

557
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Right, oh, yeah, we've all been there, you know, especially

558
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: in professional golf. You walk off and you do question yourself,

559
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: even the top players. I'm sure they question themselves. It's

560
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: is just what I would be doing. Is this. Sometimes

561
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: it feels like it's torture, you know, but there's a

562
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: you know there's there's a light attended tunnel, and I

563
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: think you need to have good people around you. Is

564
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: really to support you and be a positive impact and

565
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: pick you up when when times are down. That's that's

566
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: a that's something that I have, and it's something that's

567
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: a major I'm not saying I've I'm not saying I've

568
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: been an incredible player, but the success that I've had

569
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: is attributed to people that are there for me when

570
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I ultimately need them. Because you know, everybody, maybe from

571
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: the outside it looks great, you know these guys, you know,

572
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: top players in the world, you know, making millions and

573
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: flying private jets and you know Holliday in the Bahamas

574
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: and you know all this kind of stuff. But you know,

575
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: just like in everybody's life, you know, you get these

576
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: times where they can be pretty hard and you've got

577
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: to have those people around you which provide a safety

578
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: net and pick you up when you're feeling down.

579
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: So with it being kind of a new year, how

580
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: do you in new season for you? Is it do

581
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: you get do you just kind of keep rolling from

582
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: season to season, or is do you do you have

583
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: a kind of new season structure or like have a

584
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: mentality to approach it.

585
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Well, I'll try and clock out. I was very much

586
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: a guy who would be off season. Now we just

587
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: keep going, keep practicing, and keep working on it. But

588
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: I've realized it's different now. I've got family. I've spent

589
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: time with them, but I really sort of hold myself

590
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: off and get away from it as much as possible

591
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: in order that when I come back, I'm refreshed, I'm

592
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: ready to go. Because it's not always the time that

593
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: you're playing. Sometimes the most important time is a recipediod.

594
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: You know. I analyze the year, think about what I

595
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: did well, think about what I didn't do well. I

596
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: test equipment. I like to set on equipment before I

597
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: teat up in the first tournament. Just think about schedule

598
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: and try and try and do a lot of like

599
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: advance work so that when I'm at the tournament, I

600
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: don't need to I just need to focus on that

601
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: tournament and come into it fresh and and but at

602
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: the same time still sharp. That's why I go to

603
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: Dubai early doors to get good practice and just be

604
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, sounds sounds a bit of a little bit cliche,

605
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: but you know, attitude of number one train like train

606
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: like your number two.

607
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: Mm hm, that's it's a good good mentality you have.

608
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: You got to have confidence in this game, that's yeah.

609
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: And Scottish Scottish Scottish confidence is is like pessimism really,

610
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's not Scott's have never been shouting

611
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: from the rooftops and if you do, you get dragged

612
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: down pretty quick. So yeah, I'm not. What I do

613
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: admire about a lot of Americans, A lot of young

614
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Americans is there really are confident and aggressive and they

615
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: play with a you know, a swagger about them. Even

616
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: even the people who are great ambassadors for the game,

617
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: like Speace, you know, he's just he's got he's got

618
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: an edge in there.

619
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: You know.

620
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: You could see that with that punts on fifteen Open

621
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: last year. He's like you picked that ball at the hole.

622
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's got that little edge that I like.

623
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: That's I really like that kind of style of player, constant,

624
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: but little kind of little edge to them. Very very

625
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: strong in their belief that they know what they want

626
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: to do.

627
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: In terms of scheduling, What do you think about like

628
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: the unique formats that the Europeans Spent Tour has been

629
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: trying out in recent years.

630
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: I like the ideas I think I I honestly don't

631
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: know if it's if it's a game changer and up,

632
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: I probably couldn't ask that question. What I do like

633
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: about them is that they are being proactive in testing

634
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: you new formats of the game out in a professional game,

635
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: trying to make it more appealing to tery, to make

636
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: the product more appealing to the general public, especially the

637
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: younger generation, and just give them curious that they're trying.

638
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're not saying we're gonna we're going to

639
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: turn things around, but they're they're definitely making people think,

640
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: raising awareness and instead of just standing there planning, they're

641
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: actually executing and getting it done, which I think in

642
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: the Gulf world, like people talk so much and they

643
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: just like I just sometimes I'm just like, you know what,

644
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: if you want something, you go out there and get it.

645
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: Just get it done. Stop talking about it and get

646
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: it done. Yeah.

647
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: I like the idea of changing up like the the

648
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: short matches was like a really cool that was the

649
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Golf sixes.

650
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Golf sixes.

651
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and having it in a city like it was

652
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: in the heart of London. Right.

653
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Well, this is well this is from my point of

654
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: use is the one thing I would changed. They had

655
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: it at the Centurion Club, which is outside of London,

656
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: and it's a very good golf course, a lovely facility,

657
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: very very good. But I'd have it. I'd have it

658
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: as close to the city center as possible. I'd have

659
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: buses running, three buses running on loop from the city center.

660
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: You know, make it as easy as possible for people

661
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: to be exposed to that tournament. And and you know,

662
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: you've really got these days. The difference between America and

663
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: I would say one of the big difference between America

664
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Speaker 1: and Europe is that when you have a golf tournament,

665
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: it's a social event. You know, you'll get guys who

666
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: will say, you know, in the office you work ninety five, say, oh,

667
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: they've got that what do you call that? That Phoenix

668
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: Open going on and they've got Testa playing and it'll

669
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: go on there for the day. I mean, I'm not

670
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: into golf, but looks looks a good fun event. Whereas

671
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: generally in Europe it's although there is some social aspects

672
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: to generally more people who actually play golf and take

673
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: a firm interest in golf.

674
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's definitely. I mean the Phoenix one

675
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: is like I feel like it's a kind of an outlier,

676
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: but for the for the most part, like that, I

677
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: know that Nelson is a big social event and they do.

678
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: It's so much with those corporate hospitalities that makes it

679
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: in hospitality tends to make it much more social.

680
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: On an American tour, yeah, I mean that's it's probably

681
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more that way in places like Dubai

682
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: Abba Dabbi because there's you know, people can love coming

683
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: to events and it's a great you know, the sun's

684
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: on your back and it's a great little walk in

685
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: the green grass when there's desert around you. So a

686
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: little bit more that way. And I would say the

687
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: new markets, but we have a lot of established markets

688
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: and it's probably more the other way with more golf

689
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: golfers who come to the events.

690
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: So do you set like, do you have goals for

691
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: this year or are you just kind of you just

692
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: try and play your best and wherever it goes, it goes.

693
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Well. My mission is kind of I always like to

694
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: take the viewpoint that kind of got to be the

695
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: best I can be, so effectively, don't worry about Rory mcelroyal,

696
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Speith. I just got to be the sort of

697
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: the best Richie Ramsey I can be, and I try

698
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: and do all the things I can do every week

699
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: to do that. And and if if I miss a

700
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: cut and I walk away, I walk away with my

701
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: Hotel tie. But at the same time, if I I

702
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: finished second, I walk away with my health tail tie.

703
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: So no, I really want to get back in the

704
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: winner circle because effectively that there's nothing better than winning,

705
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. And you know, raced buy is also

706
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: a big thing. You always want to be in a

707
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: season ending tournament in Dubai and get a little bit

708
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: more feel for, you know, playing in this WG season,

709
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: those those major tournaments, because I played in the US

710
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: Open and Open this year and I feel a lot

711
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: more comfortable playing in them. And I feel that I've

712
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: I played good at the Open this year, fourth last

713
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: group on the Saturday, but I feel like I've got

714
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more in the tank to show I

715
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: didn't quite finish it off.

716
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're right in the thick of it. And

717
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: then the weekend, which is you know, it's a major

718
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: championships obviously, but I mean to a certain extent. I

719
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: so instead of overrated, underrated, our major championships overrated. When

720
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: discussing players legacy, that's a.

721
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Great question, that's a very good question. I would say no.

722
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I think it's the main determination of how good a

723
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: player they are. The WGCs have an impact because the

724
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: fields are so strong. I would love to see wgc's split. Differently,

725
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I a staunch believer that another's one in Mexico.

726
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, it seems like there should be one in

727
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: the at the Home of Golf.

728
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Well, there's one in Mexico, but let's be honest. For

729
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: the for the line's share of the last three years,

730
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: there's been three in America, and there's been one in China,

731
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: And if you want to grow the game worldwide, you

732
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: don't have three in America. But what what what? What's

733
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: the reason they're there is because the sponsors put up

734
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: the money, and they've got fantastic sponsors in America, and

735
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: a large share of the best golfers in the world

736
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: lived there, so it's easy for them to get to

737
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: tournaments and play there, which makes the fields great, which

738
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: makes the sponsors happy and brings excitement in a great

739
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: product to the fans, so I don't blame them for

740
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: putting there, but the I think one of the founding

741
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: things was that they should be that there are are

742
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: World golf events. They're not American golf events.

743
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: So that's it.

744
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: You know.

745
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, especially when it's the World Golf

746
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: Championships and then you look at the golf courses they play,

747
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: and they play Austin Country Club, which is like, it's

748
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: a nice golf course, but it's this is a World

749
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: Golf Championship. You play Firestone, same kind of you know, idea,

750
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: the Mexico course, and then they play in China at

751
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: a at a brutal golf course there. But like it's like,

752
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: why why aren't these hosted at like a great course

753
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: in Australia, a great course in the British Isles, a

754
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: great course in America, And obviously you hit it with sponsors,

755
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: but like that would be such a better product in

756
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: my mind.

757
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I know what I would love to see.

758
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: And I've said this a lot is I'm not saying,

759
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, you have to have basically you have to

760
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: the sponsors, you have some money put it there, right,

761
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: But I would love to see a World golf event

762
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: in Ireland now I am. I love Scotland, and I

763
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: am immensely proud to be Scottish, and I love playing here.

764
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: I love living in Edinburgh and everywhere I go I

765
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: carry the saltar with me. But the atmosphere and the

766
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: fans in Ireland are as good as it pretty much gets.

767
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: And they because the courses they have as well, and

768
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: the players they have, you know, talking about McElroy and

769
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: g Mac, you know, Daring all those guys have added

770
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: to Hinton. I think they generally deserve a war golf

771
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: event and the fans you would get in the hype

772
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: would be incredible. And if you think about it, what's

773
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: effectively one of the closest places to the US. Yeah,

774
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: it's not not actually, you know, if you lived in

775
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Okay for the West coast guys, but if you lived

776
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: on the East coast of America, it's.

777
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: Shorter from New York to Ireland than New York to la.

778
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. There's there's my point precisely. And

779
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: I think the difference in the the warmth, the atmosphere

780
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: and stuff you would get would be incredible and and

781
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: I generally think in the future that's the way if

782
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: you'd have it. You know, it's say you have the

783
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: Irish Open one year in the north, have a World

784
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Golf event in the south. Okay, would it? Would it work?

785
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I think it would. I think. You know, Rory obviously

786
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: does a hell of a job promoting the Irish Open,

787
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: but you know, and it's a it's an it's a

788
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: life experience for a lot of these guys. But a

789
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: lot of these guys haven't gone there and played. And

790
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: maybe you could go over there with your family and

791
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: play some nights. Golf course has experienced the the hospitality

792
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: do in Ireland, which is his first class. And like

793
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: I said, let's be honest, logistically it's it's one of

794
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: the easiest ways you could do it.

795
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I mean, like who would in

796
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: the interest would be so much higher? Like how many

797
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: more people are going to tune in to watch the

798
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 2: WGC at Royal County Down versus Firestone.

799
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you know you'd I mean, you'd sell out,

800
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. But the reason that they're taking one

801
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: of the reasons they're taking the Open back to Port

802
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Rush is because when we had Dirish Open there they

803
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: sold out. Only time I think they've ever sold the

804
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: European Tour event out and the weather wasn't even that

805
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: great and it was an incredible atmosphere. I know they've

806
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: changed the golf course a bit, but I think that

807
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: was one of the the reasons they took it back there,

808
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: and it's great to see that happen. But I definitely

809
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: think that in the future is I can't really see

810
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: a major a major fall with it, if I was honest.

811
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: So we've gotten on to kind of courses in Ireland.

812
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: What are.

813
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: What are your favorite courses in just generally the British Isles.

814
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: British Isles always very tough because there's so many golf

815
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: courses and I would say straight away, I would say

816
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: I haven't played them all.

817
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: So so let's just say you got ten rounds. How

818
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: are you going to split up the ten rounds?

819
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: Oh right, okay, so this ten This is great, so tough.

820
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 2: You can spend. You can do multiple at a course

821
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: if you want to do multiple.

822
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So what I would do would be okay, so

823
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: you've got to have so and Andrews in there straight

824
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: away because everything goes on about it. It's a home

825
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: of golf. But it's a magical place. And walking around

826
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: there and just walking up eighteen and playing seventeen and

827
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: hit the t show at first. There's something special you

828
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: can you can't put a price on it, you can't

829
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: put it together. It has something that other places simply

830
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: don't have. So it's a special place. And I would

831
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: always try and get a game on there if you can.

832
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: And it's very deceptive because it is actually a good

833
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: golf course that makes you think a lot more than

834
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: you do the first time you play it. You've got

835
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: to maybe play it a couple of times, probably more so,

836
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: of course I could play every day for a week.

837
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Is Mirrorfield. Mirorfield. It's an incredible place golf course design wise,

838
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: as probably as good as it gets, you know, shot

839
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: making ability, fairness, condition experience, you know, slopes look, everything

840
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: is is just it's a fantastic day out. Lunch is brilliant.

841
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: The members are always great cracket To have a big

842
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: lunch and maybe a few glasses of wine and then

843
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: play fours in the afternoon. That is a real golf

844
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: day out. Number three pretty tough, but these three all

845
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: sit together and all for different reasons. I would say

846
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: Turnbury Birkdale and loch Lomond turn Bray because it's just

847
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: a majestic place, great history, beautiful views. Haven't played the

848
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: golf course since it's been redone, but I just I

849
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: played the Open there once, so it's it's just a

850
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: it's just a very very good golf course. Strong I'm

851
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: quite iconic in the Scottish West coast. Birkdale, what a

852
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: fantastic off course that is. I mean the views a

853
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: lot more like my home course of Rother Aberdeen, where

854
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: you tee up on the dunes and you hit down

855
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: into the valleys. The back nine, I mean, i'd say

856
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: from a living onwards, you know, eight of the best

857
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: finishing holes you'll ever find. Obviously got a lot of

858
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: history there and just of course that I love playing it. Esthetically.

859
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: It looks great on the eye, tests you that way

860
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: you think around it, but at the same time it's scorable.

861
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: You know there's a score out there to be had.

862
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: Loch Lomond again very similar to Mirfield experience wise, incredible

863
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: staff there are fantastic will Lye in the locker room

864
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: exceptional remembers your name even though you've maybe not been

865
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: there for two or three years. Services, first class ross

866
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: t house, one of the best clubhouses you'll ever see

867
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: in your life, at a setting that is probably one

868
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: of the most spectacular, not in the British Isles, but

869
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: in probably the world. And a very underrated golf course

870
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: that Tom Weiskoff designed mm hm as a joy to

871
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: play there really is just fantastic golf course. Where's that

872
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: being up to one two Andrew's Mirfield?

873
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: I think five right?

874
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: Five? Yeah, mm hmm, okay, I'm going to put I'm

875
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: going to put Sonny and Dylan in there. Yeah, and

876
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: you could you could play the newer the old both exceptional.

877
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: You've got what I would like to turn laser beam

878
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: around there. If you hit it offline, you'll be buying

879
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: more golf balls in the pro shop. No doubt about

880
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: that great halfway house. Fantastic halfway house. I mean leave

881
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: leave twenty minutes. The stuff you're facing there, sausages in

882
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: a roll, smoke salmon. I'm sure the members have a

883
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: couple of cheeky drinks as well, So that's a that's

884
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: a great little kind of touch. But again, fantastic golf

885
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: course design, old school greens that just sitting to you,

886
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: but play quite firm and fast, especially in the summer.

887
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: Harry Colton, Willie Park well.

888
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: Just he doesn't get cold, doesn't really it doesn't really

889
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: get much better than him, So I would I would

890
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: say that would be a.

891
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: Classic.

892
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Dale was one and if you could play the older

893
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: than New thirty six that day, and I'd a little

894
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: bit like Mirfield, I'd play eighteen in the morning, lunch

895
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: and then fourth themes in the afternoon, because that's the

896
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: tradition at Mirfield. So we're up to six. Oh god,

897
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: I've got four lefts and stuff. I'm trying to think

898
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: of the open courses at I don't know where to

899
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: put Carnishtee, but I feel that it's going to be

900
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: in there, just because it's as fair a test of

901
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: golf as you will find, and it's always irrespective of

902
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: the wind. It's always a place you love to go to.

903
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: The greens or I'm accurate, normally the best surfaces you'll

904
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: you'll put on in Scotland. I would say Mirfield are

905
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: close near, are very good, but but CARNOUSTI tend to

906
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: be exceptional. And the finish I mean what I finish,

907
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: what I finish size? I mean you always talk about

908
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: winning tournaments of coming down the stretch and have a

909
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. Well, sixteen is a tough hole. Seventeen

910
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: is very tricky, but eighteen is probably I think one

911
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: of the toughest version holes, if not the toughest version

912
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: hole you'll play. It's it's just great place to play

913
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: golf and obviously a huge amount of history with the

914
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: people who have won there.

915
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a good of course. That sets

916
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: up well for you.

917
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: Its well for me because I think it's a ball

918
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: strikers golf course. Yeah, you can't. You can't fake it

919
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: round there. You can't just go well, just put well

920
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: and I'll get away with it. You've got to really

921
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: know where the misses are, stay out of the bunkers,

922
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes you've got a challenge of bunkers. I think

923
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: you just got a flat out play around there, no

924
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: doubt about it. Can't fake it and it'll be it'd

925
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: be good to see how the best players in the

926
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: world set up to It's definitely scorable. It's definitely scorable,

927
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: but it's just a very very fair golf course. I

928
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: would put Royal Aberdeen, my home course in there, especially

929
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the older course that we used to play when I

930
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: was a junior. The origin more of the original design

931
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: it was, you know, I used to play it in

932
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: the front nine. I used to front nine. I loved.

933
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: I used to go away and play all these different

934
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: golf courses. People used to rant and rave about and

935
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: speak and say this is a great golf course. And

936
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: I used to come back and will and just think

937
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: this place is just way better. Really great memories. They're

938
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: fantastic membership that have helped me and helped a lot

939
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: of people progress their golf and progress you know, off

940
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: the course, and just a place that is close to me,

941
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: and I'd love to go back. I'd love to go

942
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: back there and and and play and try and enjoy

943
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: the golf course and the traditions because it was the

944
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: seventh oldest club in the world. It's seventeen eighty it

945
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: was established, so.

946
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: Some great traditions there and just fortunate to be a

947
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: member there. They've got two left left.

948
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: Dominated dominated by Scottish golf courses.

949
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, any more heath and courses.

950
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I haven't really played a Hoastling course that

951
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought really stood out for me. I'm trying to

952
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: think that there there's a couple that. There's a great one.

953
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: More Town is definitely something that I would I would

954
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't include in my top ten, but it would

955
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: be somewhere where I would play.

956
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: That was Mackenzie's first design.

957
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in I think I believe it's in leads

958
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: and I had the Ryder Cup in a long time ago,

959
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: thirties maybe.

960
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: H Yeah, I think that was Mackenzie's first design.

961
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a there's a few courses up there

962
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: that kind of fall off the radar just because of

963
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: where they are. They're not down south so they don't

964
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: get ridden a.

965
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Bit too much, and they aren't open courses.

966
01:02:53,200 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what, I haven't actually played a ton

967
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: of golf courses in England that have been blown away

968
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: by I might get some backlash for that.

969
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: You're loyal to your country.

970
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Scotsman, I would say port Rush has to

971
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: be in there. I haven't played all these other ones

972
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: that are far away, like La hinch Tralei, Waterville and

973
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: all these ones, and I would love to play there.

974
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: I think County Down is good, but I just think

975
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: port Rush is better. I think the design is better,

976
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: I think the views are better, the golf course is

977
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: more in front of view, and I think again being

978
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: close to the town, it has that great atmosphere and

979
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: it would be really interesting to see how the new

980
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: holes bed in and how the guys perform at at

981
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: the opening a few years time.

982
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Have you played Dornick?

983
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: You know what I haven't. You got to get it

984
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: out there, played Dornick. I've played ski bowd which is

985
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: very good, but I haven't played Dornick for I don't

986
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: know why I haven't played it. I just never ventured

987
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: up there. And this is going to sound really funny,

988
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: but I'm notorious for falling asleep really quickly, So vide

989
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: with me for a minute. So driving long distances can

990
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: be tough for me because sometimes, I mean the other

991
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: day I was at Mirfield and I got up early

992
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: and played and we had lunch, beautiful lunch, stuffed, and

993
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: I had to drive back and I had just stopped

994
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: ten miles down the road to get a coffee because

995
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: I said to the guy who was with I was like,

996
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: my eye, I'm going to be like a nod and

997
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: dog here, so I need to stop and get coffee.

998
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: So the courses that are I mean, dorn is a

999
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: long way north. So that's that's my only excuse for

1000
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: not playing it. I can't really drive that far with

1001
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: that falling asleep?

1002
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: What where's the what's the what's where's the weirdest place

1003
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: you've fallen asleep?

1004
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: Oh? God, where's I fall asleep? I remember in Argentina,

1005
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: I fell asleep on a on a moving bus when

1006
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: I was standing getting a chance to event and the

1007
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: bus was packed, had to stand. I was that tired

1008
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: that I nearly fell over because I fell asleep standing

1009
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: up where the bus was moving, which is quite impressive.

1010
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: That's uh, you get in the wrong spot. I went

1011
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: to Argentina last or many two years ago with my

1012
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: wife and I went for a run and I got

1013
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: lost and I ended up running like into like a

1014
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: bad neighborhood and it was like one of the worst

1015
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: experiences in my life because I didn't have a phone

1016
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: that worked, and I don't speak Spanish and I was

1017
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, figure out how to get back.

1018
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: And I ended up running like fifteen miles that day,

1019
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: So I got good work.

1020
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you ran out a fair pace as well.

1021
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: It was.

1022
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: It was a brutal experience.

1023
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.

1024
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: A bus in Argentina would be really tough to fall

1025
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: asleep on.

1026
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: Though I fell asleep, I don't. I don't remember this

1027
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: because it was a night someone said to me almost

1028
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: I fell asleep in a club and I was I

1029
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: was next to a speaker. But that was that. There

1030
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: was a few other variables that were involved in that.

1031
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't just when you get a couple of drinks,

1032
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, it's what.

1033
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: What what's the what's the best course in Scotland that

1034
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: nobody knows about the radar?

1035
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: So just just quickly before answer that the last one

1036
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: on the list, which is the which is the best

1037
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: one on the list that slightly off the radar is

1038
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: a place called The Island, which is outside Dublin and

1039
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: Malhyde and it is phenomenal, great course, great course, you've

1040
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: got to play that beautiful June's fantastic membership. And there's

1041
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot of other courses around there, a good Port

1042
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: Marnocks just down the road, and Port Mornick's is a

1043
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: is a great golf course as well. But the Island

1044
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: is is really cool, cool spot. I really like that.

1045
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: I think Sally from Millaying up played there. It was

1046
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: he was he was talking about that place.

1047
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: It was.

1048
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: It was great.

1049
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely worth a definitely worth a trip. Good question.

1050
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: The best course.

1051
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: Let's say Americans would just overlook.

1052
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of them really love North Berwick and

1053
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: it is a good course. But it's not under the radar.

1054
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: It's not like you know a lot a lot of

1055
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: guys we've heard of it. Sorry one second, you know

1056
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: what I'm going to go with this place, which is

1057
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: a pretty cool place to go to. It's actually west

1058
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: of Aberdeen, about fifty miles. It's a place called Balloter

1059
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: Golf Club and it's actually not far from Balmorrow, where

1060
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 1: the Queen as a summer residence. It's surrounded by hills

1061
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: and you play a long sort of very sand based

1062
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: turf beside the water, beside the river that runs the

1063
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: River Dee which runs from the Highlands all the way

1064
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: out to the water in Aberdeen. It's quite short, quite

1065
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: tricky course, but a lot of shots where you hit

1066
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: hit it up and you can see the ball heading

1067
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: into the hills and then it drops down. I'm not

1068
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: too sure designed it, but it's a great place to

1069
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: go and play, especially if you were in the Highlands

1070
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: and you were coming down that way. It's it's it's

1071
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: as sounds funny, but it's as Scottish as you're going

1072
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: to get because you're you're kind of surrounded by these

1073
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: beautiful hills. There's castles on the trip from Aberdeen to

1074
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 1: Ballater and obviously if the Queen, the Queen could be

1075
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: in Balmoral residence in the summer, when the best time

1076
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: to play it.

1077
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: Is, it's the there's I gotta get there for, like

1078
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 2: I guess spent a lot of time there. I feel

1079
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 2: like there's like hundreds of great golf courses.

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01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: Oh, there's tons of places. I know. Silly was over

1081
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: and we sort of them out with a game at

1082
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: Royal Aberdeen and the boys took them out at night.

1083
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: So I think he enjoyed that.

1084
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: Uh this, uh this fall maybe I think I'm thinking,

1085
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: but how did how do you what kind of sparked

1086
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: your recent kind of interest in golf course architecture? Last

1087
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: question and we'll get some over right on raids.

1088
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: You know what it was, and it's it's bad to

1089
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: say it was just complete and utter amusement and disappointment

1090
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: with some of these modern golf courses and and and

1091
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: modern designers who have tackled redesign. I just I honestly,

1092
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what to help some of them with

1093
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: saying I don't know how they've got jobs. It's I

1094
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: think we're just going through a period where we don't

1095
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of good designers, and for all the

1096
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: resources that they have, the product that they're producing is

1097
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty poor.

1098
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the it's changing, but there was

1099
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: there was so many years of bad and I imagine

1100
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: you see it so prevalently when you go to like Asia.

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's they want to put the signature

1102
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: on it and I don't know what it is, and

1103
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: and it tends to be in the form of huge

1104
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: hills and humps and hollows that a lot of the

1105
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: time Luke Man made and just looks so false and

1106
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: don't aren't bring any playability to the golf course. And

1107
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to almost make it not impossible, but just

1108
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: trying to make it really really hard to score. It's like,

1109
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to defend parr all the time,

1110
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: but the best courses we play are the classics. You know,

1111
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: you want to play the golf course over and over again,

1112
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Like I think the sign of a good golf course

1113
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: is if someone said, well, do you want to play

1114
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: this for five days in a row? And a lot

1115
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: of these modern golf courses no, but these old classics

1116
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: like Mirrorfield, Son and Dale CARNUSTI turn brat you just

1117
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: you just want to play them every day for the

1118
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Yeah.

1119
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: I you know, this fall I get to go out

1120
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: to I played sand Hills. I played sixty three holes

1121
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 2: in two days, and like, since then, all I could

1122
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: think about is like, you know, like when you get

1123
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: to go see one of these great golf courses, like

1124
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: getting to play it multiple times, it just gets better

1125
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: every time.

1126
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's there's so much, so much character to it,

1127
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: so many different ways to play it. It changes every day,

1128
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's it's like one of those especially

1129
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: those courses. I love those courses where you go out

1130
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: and you think, you know, I play good, But why

1131
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: did I not shoot like four or five better? Because

1132
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: the design sort of pushed me, like it put a

1133
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: bit of pressure on me as and it looked really

1134
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: tight off on the t's with actual fact there was

1135
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: lots of space there, and you know, I miss it

1136
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot, and and you can't get up

1137
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: and down from there. And I want to get back

1138
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: out there and play that. And I feel like I

1139
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: could shoot a better score because I've played it, understand

1140
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more of what the designer was thinking

1141
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: and how he's how he he's fooled me. Almost can't

1142
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: beat that.

1143
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: I feel like the really great golf courses, you almost

1144
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: walk off a lot of them saying like, you know

1145
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: what that that golf course. I could really go out

1146
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: and shoot a low number, but you very very rarely do.

1147
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, spot on, spot on, because it protects you know,

1148
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: it protects itself because it just lows you into almost

1149
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: sometimes a false sense of security. I think you're doing

1150
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: fine and then it just hits you out of nowhere

1151
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: where you're like, it just gets you, and it's I

1152
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: think it's it's a little bit sad. I said to

1153
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: someone the other day also playing playing your field. We

1154
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: were talking about golf architecture, and I think that they're

1155
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: a great model. They they what they do with their

1156
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: golf course, there is the they mold it. They don't

1157
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,919
Speaker 1: change it. They mold it over time. So for instance,

1158
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 1: like they'll extend a green by four or five yards

1159
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: like they did on I think number five, so you

1160
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: get a backpin position when they play the open there.

1161
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: They'll make a bunker a little bit bigger, so it

1162
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: becomes more of a becomes more of a danger. They

1163
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: will shape a fairway a little bit more so it

1164
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: feeds the player into one of the fairway bunkers instead

1165
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: of dramatically changing because it's a great golf course, you

1166
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: don't need to. You just need to slowly but surely

1167
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: mold it. And it's a little bit like what we

1168
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 1: have over here. We have if you have in America

1169
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: but listed buildings, so basically enlisted buildings you have to have.

1170
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: You can't really change the building too much. You can

1171
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe change the internal parts of it, but the overall

1172
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: fundamental structure, things like the windows, the roof, the chimneys,

1173
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 1: the design of the building, you can't change that. You

1174
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: have to work with it. And I really think that

1175
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: these old classics should almost be like listed buildings. You know,

1176
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: you really have to go through a lot of not motions,

1177
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: but a lot of procedure in order to change some

1178
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: of these because I think a lot of people are

1179
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: giving carte blanch for them and they destroy them and

1180
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: then you can't go back and redo them.

1181
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 2: You know how much better golf and like and especially

1182
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: America would be if they if they had listed golf

1183
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: courses and they couldn't change them. I mean it would

1184
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: it would have changed the complete course of American golf.

1185
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh it would, you know. We just it's it's like

1186
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: the golf course. The other thing is the golf course

1187
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: is your product generally that that's when people come to play. Yeah,

1188
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: there's experiences a lot of clubs, and that is great,

1189
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: but you know, most of the time people go there

1190
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: to play the golf course.

1191
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: And and they join there because of the golf course.

1192
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you because because you play the golfers you think, actually,

1193
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: well I love that. I would love to play that

1194
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: every week. And I think committees and designers, you know,

1195
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: I would love I would love to I would love

1196
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: to see a designer go into a golf course and say, right,

1197
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: we want you to do a redesign, and him just

1198
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: to come back and say, you know what, you have

1199
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: sixteen fantastic holes here. I don't think you should change

1200
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: much of it. What I think you should do is

1201
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: maybe redo some of the bunkers because they're falling in

1202
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: or or you know, to the holes. I would love

1203
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:00,520
Speaker 1: to change a little bit because you know modern ten anology,

1204
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: and maybe you move the bunker that's currently out of

1205
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: playing now another twenty years further up and I'd love

1206
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: to maybe now the fairway at three hundred yards or

1207
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: something like that, or add a tree to give a

1208
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,879
Speaker 1: little bit more character to the whole, give a siteline

1209
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: off the tee. Small things like that I would love

1210
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: to see. And I would say, hands down the best

1211
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: redesign I've seen. It was the one that went with

1212
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: it was done last year, but I think McGinley and

1213
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: Bjorn had something put into it. But McGinley is a

1214
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: who's obviously he knows the history of the golf, you know,

1215
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: playing the European Tours for a number of years, rider Cup,

1216
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: you name it. He's pretty much done it. But he plays.

1217
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: I think he's a member at son Indale, plays there

1218
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: a lot. And he really softened the changes and tried

1219
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: to bring back the old cult into the west course

1220
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: it went with, which was great to see.

1221
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I mean the redesign a few years

1222
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 2: ago was like one of the worst redesigns, Like in

1223
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 2: the history of golf.

1224
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't overly impressed because I think the original design,

1225
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: the one that I grew up watching seven play the

1226
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: world matually, you know, watching guys finish three three three

1227
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: to finish birdy eagle, eagle to win a match. That's

1228
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: the course I grew up on, where you had to

1229
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: run it in. That's the English Heathland classic type of

1230
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: golf course. Yeah.

1231
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: They almost tried to make it like the Dark Ages

1232
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: of America, like nineteen seventies course.

1233
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's coming back, and made condition

1234
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: of it. The greens last year were absolutely first class,

1235
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: as good as you're going to get. And they softened

1236
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: the golf course and they took away the larger changes

1237
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: the undulations that were putting it and tried to bring back,

1238
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: like I say, more of the the cold feel and

1239
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. With a little bit more heastland in there,

1240
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: less undulation in the greens, you could a bit more

1241
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: playability as and you could run the ball in if

1242
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 1: you're in the rough, and a few little tall grasses

1243
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: off the teas which give you a nice little sight line,

1244
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: a little nice little path to walk down and and

1245
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: shape the whole a little bit more, which I thought

1246
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: was a good idea.

1247
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 2: So all right, let's uh, let's get this done with

1248
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: some overrated under its all right, first one, golf in Ireland.

1249
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:48,440
Speaker 1: Underrated.

1250
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: I think we covered it earlier.

1251
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, fitness, I believe underrated.

1252
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: So like if you took like like Manti, I can't

1253
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: imagine hate him being a fitness not Ever he would

1254
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: be at a disadvantage in today's game.

1255
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: His attitude and his belief make up for everything. He

1256
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: was a great has a great attitude and great belief.

1257
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: I think I would say underrated from the fact that

1258
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: I just think I find it very therapeutic, as in

1259
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: like mentally and stress free is a great I think

1260
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 1: it's a great thing to do. Maybe not Jim, but

1261
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: just exercise in general. You know, don't care you're gonna

1262
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: play tennis or you play football with your mates. I

1263
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: just think it's it's the best medicine you can have.

1264
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, heh. How about him now never winning in America

1265
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: until the Senior Tour, It's kind of crazy.

1266
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's strange. Could he would have the

1267
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: game to suit a lot of some of the courses

1268
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: over there, because yet it's so straight and very steady.

1269
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: But he just you know, he played in America, he

1270
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: played in Europe a lot, and you know, US Open

1271
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: and those types of courses were built for him. He

1272
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: just never got got the major that that probably he

1273
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: ultimately wanted.

1274
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the European Tour was is different then too, Like

1275
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 2: I feel like the European Tour then they kept almost

1276
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 2: all their stars at home for the most part.

1277
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think he was you know, the world

1278
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: wasn't as small then, I would say, and and you know,

1279
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: it was a lot more European Tour was a lot

1280
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: more top heavy. They didn't have the depths that they

1281
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: have now. They had, you know, huge strength to look

1282
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: at the players undoubtedly you know, great to the game,

1283
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: Langer and using them and fal Though and Leland, those guys.

1284
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they just like playing in Europe

1285
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: and probably a lot of the odd families got kids

1286
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,839
Speaker 1: and then what sees you know, I know, I understand

1287
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: you want to get back and see your family.

1288
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I mean air travel has just gotten

1289
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: so much easier, all right, Uh backboarding, you know, the

1290
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: not marking your ball like that everybody complains about in

1291
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,839
Speaker 2: professional golf, Like say I say, you're in the bunker.

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01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm playing, you know, I got I got sponsors exemption,

1293
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: and I go and I don't mark my ball after

1294
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 2: I hit a sandshot and you're in the bunker and

1295
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: oh right.

1296
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think it's overrat It doesn't really bother me. Yeah,

1297
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: just something that's blown out proportionally.

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 2: I think. See it's it's blown out of proportion. I

1299
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 2: I I when I play in tournaments, I feel like

1300
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 2: that backboarding is prevalent, but it's it's so rare for

1301
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,839
Speaker 2: it to actually have an effect.

1302
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, if if the guy chips it from sixty

1303
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: yards and it goes to three feet and the guy's

1304
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: playing me, I'm just like, I'm not going to wait

1305
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: for him to walk all the way up there and

1306
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: hit it. But if he's lag putted it and he's

1307
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: put it up there and he's forty feet away and

1308
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 1: he looks at me and says, oh, market, I'm that's fine,

1309
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me either way. But I'm not going to

1310
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: probably wait if he's miles down the fairway and I'm

1311
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: on the green side bunker.

1312
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last one. I don't know if you've

1313
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 2: played it, kill Spindy.

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01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: Kill, Spindy played it, Yeah, probably underrated. I'd say it's

1315
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful part of the world. He's slowly lovely

1316
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: part of the world, lovely with towns and you go

1317
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: down there and it's a sure week course inside the

1318
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: water bomb around there in under three hours because it's

1319
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: quite short. Just a good place to go out and

1320
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: play with your mates and try and shoot as low

1321
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: as number as possible. Well, enjoyed fantastic views And did

1322
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: I say some sun signed and some short sleeves if

1323
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: that's possible in Scotland?

1324
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: When what's the best month to be in Scotland?

1325
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: A good question I always get asked this a lot. Well,

1326
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: I think as well. I come to Scotland, everybody says, oh,

1327
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: it must rain all the time. Right on the west

1328
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: coast it can rain for days, but on the East

1329
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: coast it's a way drier and called Spindy and well

1330
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: basically where Mirfield is in East Slowly and that's one

1331
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: of the driest places in Scotland. So it's not as

1332
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: wet as people talk about. But the warmest time is

1333
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: Jill August, but that's at the same time that's the

1334
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: busiest time so the schools get off on the first

1335
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: of June. So I would say, like, and the maze

1336
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: is not a bad time to come because it's not chao,

1337
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not chaotic. The schools are still there. You get

1338
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: most of the run of the golf courses and the

1339
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: if I had enough of a growing season that conditions

1340
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: the golf course are good, or play it like late August,

1341
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: early September, all.

1342
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: Right, I gotta do one of those times. I don't

1343
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: want a crowd.

1344
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: If you don't like yeah, like you know, every dyar,

1345
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: just come over, run about the Open scottsh opens, start

1346
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: playing golf. So May time is a good time. Another

1347
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: thing about maytime that is a huge bonus is the

1348
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: longest day of the year, I believe is the second

1349
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: week in June. So if so, so where I'm in Edinburgh,

1350
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm not that far north, but it gets light here

1351
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: at quarter to five, maybe half four, and it gets

1352
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: dark on a bright day at half ten.

1353
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1354
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: So like if you get up early, like say you're

1355
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: say you're like in Gulland for example, Gullen is a

1356
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: good example as a little town niche low then and

1357
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: they played the Scottish Open and Gullen number one course

1358
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: this year, right, I think two years ago, but it's

1359
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: back there this year. Like if you just booking a

1360
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: B and B, you can get up early. Let me

1361
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: make a sandwich, walk down the first team of your clubs.

1362
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: You know, a few hundred yards, tee off but I

1363
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: don't know, five thirty bomb round in for breakfast, three

1364
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: hours in for breakfast, halfway breakfast, get the train in Edinburgh.

1365
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: Of a day in Edinburgh, come back out and then

1366
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: going tea off before people. A lot of people go

1367
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: and play after work or come off work early, twenty

1368
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: off about let's say like quarter to four or something

1369
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: like that, and then born around there, a little bit

1370
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: of a late dinner, a few drinks, watch the sunset,

1371
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, put two rounds of golf and you're still

1372
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: fitted in the day out of Edinburgh. Brilliant, you know,

1373
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you can do so much, man, I.

1374
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: Might I might have to move. You might have me sold.

1375
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move to the to the east side of Scotland.

1376
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: Greatest currently in the world, mate, It was voted that way,

1377
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: greatest current in the world. I always I always tell

1378
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: my wife that she's an American, but she never believes me.

1379
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: It's I don't know, Americans are we're stubborn. So but hey, Richie,

1380
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: it was great having you on and wish you're the best.

1381
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 2: To luck this year. You're starting in uh about a

1382
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 2: week and a half.

1383
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, week and a half abbadby HSBC, So looking

1384
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: forward to We're go in to get the the short

1385
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: sleeves out next week in Dubai and the shorts out

1386
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: turn up the legs.

1387
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: Got the Obi steaks, Oh jeez.

1388
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty damn wait, there's no doubt about that.

1389
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll hopefully run into each other here

1390
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: in the in the in the season at some point

1391
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: and good luck.

1392
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: All right, cool, nice talking to you.

1393
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 2: You've been listening to the fried Egg podcast.

1394
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: We do the digging for you.