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Speaker 3: Man, I think a lot of times our kids dismiss

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Speaker 1: Man. God damn boy, my son won't listen to me

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Speaker 2: We just pops to them, you know.

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Speaker 3: And that's a it's a catch twenty two because like

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Speaker 3: And because they hear our voice so much, you know

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Speaker 2: So I think it takes a village.

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Speaker 3: That's why you got to have the right people around

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Speaker 3: Look, I would have taken you know, thirty years with

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Speaker 1: Right, So, when I was scoring twenty five and my

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Speaker 2: Yes, So are we getting our checkups? Are we getting

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Speaker 2: Have you healed from trauma?

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Speaker 1: We don't go over there, man, we do not go

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Speaker 3: So then, Like, but the thing about it is, man, like,

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Speaker 3: No I didn't get the experience, you know, shaking David

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Speaker 1: You didn't get invited. I did, sound like you still

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you want the full experience.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, So you didn't get invited.

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Speaker 3: The combine, it was like, okay, you have to play

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Speaker 1: You just did specific workouts.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of the top fifteen prospects, so I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I know you did.

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Speaker 3: We had a good time, but more so for me.

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Speaker 3: My dad had a stroke my freshman year and things

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Speaker 1: You couldn't got you got Chicago, you got East Saint Louis,

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Speaker 3: And we brought it, brought We brought all them elements.

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Speaker 3: We had a good time out there, we really did.

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Speaker 3: And all of us went on to have long careers.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about it. It's not just about assembling talent.

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Speaker 2: I had a ship. Man, I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the right mind. I mean, internal competition

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Speaker 1: is how it's supposed to be Iron supposed to shopper iron. Yes,

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Speaker 1: every day, every single day, Iron supposed to shop iron.

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Speaker 3: I think about you, u D You know, you've always

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Speaker 2: You stood on that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of things we can't even talk about, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, I connected with the right people, and that's

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Speaker 1: I don't need know security. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So now that I'm retired, I'm gonna get them back

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