WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Magic 8 Ball

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here sitting in for day. This

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<v Speaker 1>is short Stuff and we're talking about the magic Gateball.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>We have one in our house, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of one of those toys that I think

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<v Speaker 3>most gen xers, and actually, knowing how old it is,

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<v Speaker 3>probably boomers bought for gen xers, and now gen xers

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<v Speaker 3>are buying for their Alphas and Z zoomers, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know where millennials got left out, but this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the classic toy.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume most people have seen this, but in other

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<v Speaker 3>countries you may not know what we're talking about. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is essentially a looks like a billiard's ball. It's

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<v Speaker 3>about the size of a maybe a grapefruit, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>got a little flat side on let's say the bottom,

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<v Speaker 3>and in that side it's got a little clear window

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<v Speaker 3>with some dark liquid, and floating in that liquid is

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty sided die with a bunch of answers to

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<v Speaker 3>yes or no questions, with the idea being that you

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<v Speaker 3>ask it a question, you shake this thing up, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you see what the answer tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>Very simple that's it, and it is very simple. But

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<v Speaker 1>this I think that's the case with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that just becomes a part of pop culture. Yes, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not much to it, but just something about it

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<v Speaker 1>comes together and makes everybody love it. And the Magic

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<v Speaker 1>eight Ball's no difference. Definitely one of the more successful

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<v Speaker 1>toys to come out of the twentieth century, and it

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<v Speaker 1>dates back as far back as the forties as a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, or actually the early fifties, but the

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<v Speaker 1>story begins further back than that because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>prototype that was created by a man named Albert Carter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was brothers in law with a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>ab Bookman, and both of them together helped found the

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<v Speaker 1>company that would eventually go on to create Magic eight

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<v Speaker 1>Ball's basically based on Carter's idea that he got from

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<v Speaker 1>his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a pretty cool story.

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<v Speaker 3>His mom was a self proclaimed clairvoyant and very popular

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<v Speaker 3>at the time in Cincinnata during the age of spiritualism

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<v Speaker 3>and use spiritual writing or psychic writing device to communicate

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<v Speaker 3>with the beyond, supposedly, and Carter was like, Mom, you're

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<v Speaker 3>the best.

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<v Speaker 2>You're so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>During World War Two, he built a prototype of a

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<v Speaker 3>toy sort of in honor of what she was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>That he called at first the Psycho Sere Syco dash

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<v Speaker 3>sw R, which was essentially what's inside of the magic

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<v Speaker 3>eight ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a tube divided in half and each side

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<v Speaker 3>has that dark liquid and each side had to die

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<v Speaker 3>and you would turn it one side up or the

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<v Speaker 3>other side up to see what it said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's the basis of the magic apall right there,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's essentially what a magic a ball is today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Carter went around and he's like showing it to

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<v Speaker 1>local stores in Cincinnati, and he hits upon one that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I love these. I want a bunch of them. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only do I want to sell them in my store,

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<v Speaker 1>to start distributing these, let's do it. Carter had big

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<v Speaker 1>time struggles with alcoholism from what I've read, So he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how to make anything mass produced.

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<v Speaker 1>I just have good ideas. So he turned to his brother,

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<v Speaker 1>a bookman, who was the kind of person who could

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<v Speaker 1>get things done, and they formed a partnership. A Bookman

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<v Speaker 1>apparently had They were close as brothers in law could be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Bookman kind of had almost like a care

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<v Speaker 1>taker part for Carter. He said, when he was sober,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a genius. He was always broke, but I

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<v Speaker 1>bought every idea he ever had, and that gave him

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<v Speaker 1>enough money to keep going. So when Carter turns the

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<v Speaker 1>bookman and says, I've got this really good idea, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how to fulfill any orders. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you help me? Like I said, they formed a partnership.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Carter got the patent and they named it Psychoseer Colon

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<v Speaker 3>the Miracle Home Fortune Teller. A few years later they

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<v Speaker 3>modified it a bit to basically made it smaller it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like, and then called it the Psycho Slate Colon,

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<v Speaker 3>the Pocket fortune Teller colon.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't get it any smaller. Everybody don't ask.

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<v Speaker 3>And then in nineteen forty six they formed a novelty

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<v Speaker 3>company named a Labe Crafts from Albert and Abe their names.

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<v Speaker 3>And very sadly, I imagine, probably somewhat due to the life

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<v Speaker 3>he was living living, Carter died and Abe was the

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<v Speaker 3>sole owner of the company. And maybe that's a good

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<v Speaker 3>cliffhanger to see.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens next. I think it's perfect, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, We're going to take a break. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>So where we left off, Albert Carter died sadly, and

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<v Speaker 1>a bookman was running the company, and he continued making novelties,

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<v Speaker 1>and somewhere along the line, the Psychoseer caught the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of the Brunswick Billiard Company out of Chicago. They make

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<v Speaker 1>pool tables, they make bumper bowling balls, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty they went to bookman and said, hey, this Psychoseer

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<v Speaker 1>thinks awesome, but can you like make it into an

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<v Speaker 1>eight ball? And bookman was like, you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>billiard version of the apol, right, And they were like, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even know what you're talking about it at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. And so he said, I think I can

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and he got busy making taking essentially the

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<v Speaker 1>psycho Sere and building a plastic eight ball around it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, pretty good idea that this time it just

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<v Speaker 3>has the one die. You know, you didn't need to

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<v Speaker 3>have two sides because you just had the one window.

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<v Speaker 3>I never knew it was twenty sided. When I read that,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, that's got to be a misprint. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no more than ten that thing. But I'm wrong. There

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<v Speaker 3>are ten affirmative answers, and of course if you've played

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<v Speaker 3>it you'll recognize these. If not, it says things like

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<v Speaker 3>it is certain or outlook good. There are five negative answers,

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<v Speaker 3>ranging from outlook not so good to my sources say

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<v Speaker 3>no and don't count on it yeah, and five non

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<v Speaker 3>committal answers like hazy, try again, ask again later. And

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<v Speaker 3>the idea everybody is that you're having a slumber party

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<v Speaker 3>and you're asking if this boy or this girl thinks

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<v Speaker 3>you're cute or something. I mean, that's generally what it's

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<v Speaker 3>used for, Like I don't people don't really consult it

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<v Speaker 3>for like big life decisions. But if you're a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>that's kind of what we were, like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>were doing with it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on TV in a sitcom or a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>then you might consult it for a big life decision.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, yeah, sure, I would guess the average person

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do that, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you just want to find out if somebody's crushing

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<v Speaker 3>on you.

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<v Speaker 1>So and then after that it's light is feather stiff

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<v Speaker 1>as a board?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, because your sources said no, So what else

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<v Speaker 3>is there to do?

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<v Speaker 1>So Brunswick customers love this stuff. I'm guessing these are

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<v Speaker 1>like wholesalers, retailers of billiard tables, that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, I love this, Thank you so much, Brunswick.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be a customer forever. And so a bookman was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to start making these for the general

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<v Speaker 1>public and sell them. And initially he said, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what this is, it's a great paper weight. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>he sold them as a novelty paperweight for adults, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a really niche item and it was not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the best the best business move.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny. I feel like there are a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of stories like that where the thing that ended up

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<v Speaker 3>being a huge hit they initially were just so way

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<v Speaker 3>off in what they thought people were gonna like about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, Yeah, then that's a great example of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that New Coke, right, yeah, New Coke for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And they quickly became part of pop culture. Once he

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<v Speaker 3>realized that teens love these things, they started to buy

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<v Speaker 3>him and he said, oh I missed I missed on

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<v Speaker 3>what everyone like, this is clearly a toy and teens

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<v Speaker 3>have slumber parties. I want to know if if people

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<v Speaker 3>are crushing on them, So I'm going to make a

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<v Speaker 3>million bucks selling these things, and he did. He made

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<v Speaker 3>many millions of bucks, I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently they sell a million a year reliably. If

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<v Speaker 1>you own the Magic gate Ball rights, you can expect

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<v Speaker 1>to sell a million of them a year every year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. Let's get those rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you said they're part of pop culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that sometimes on movies and TV people will

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<v Speaker 1>consult them for big life decisions. Let's call them mcguffin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it means that Magic Gateball is a mcguffin. Chuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you should explain it, because you're the movie guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how to best describe a mcguffin.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's something that of low import

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<v Speaker 3>in reality, but is has high import as far as

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<v Speaker 3>what it means in the in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that about right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It moves, it moves the plot along.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not a fake thing, but it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like you actually found the plans or the

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<v Speaker 3>treasure map. You know, a treasure map wouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 3>mcguffin unless the treasure didn't end up being a treasure.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just what brought you to the place to

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<v Speaker 3>meet the girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense? No? You just you just channeled me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I think I got it. If there's

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<v Speaker 3>a treasure map and it leads to the treasure, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>then that thing is in a mcguffin. That's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>real deal, like a plot piece or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But if that treasure map leads you to Brazil and

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<v Speaker 3>there is no treasure at all, but what really happens

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<v Speaker 3>in Brazil is X Y and zka, then the treasure

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<v Speaker 3>map would have been a mcguffin.

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<v Speaker 1>But then does the stuff that happens in Brazil, the

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<v Speaker 1>X Y and Z you referred to, is that what

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<v Speaker 1>the movie's actually about? Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a boondoggle or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I see now, I don't even know what's a boondoggle.

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<v Speaker 1>A boondoggle would be if the treasure map led to

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<v Speaker 1>Brazil and X Y and Z happening, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>a detour where really the movie is about getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the treasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, are we talking about romancing the Stone?

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<v Speaker 1>I think inevitably we just kind of fell into.

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<v Speaker 3>That that was carta though it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't Brazil Cartagena, Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that movie really holds up.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I know, I saw it not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. You told me you showed it to Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's right. I talked about this so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's a mcguffin. And back to the magic

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is. There's a really great use of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it would be a mcguffin. In The Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen ninety two. I think it's Bart's friend Falls

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<v Speaker 1>in Love where barton Millhouse are on the bus at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning and they're asking the magic eight ball how

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<v Speaker 1>long they'll be friends, and after a series of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>they find out that the magic a ball tells them

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<v Speaker 1>their friendship will be over by the end of that day.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out some new girl comes to school

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<v Speaker 1>captures Millhouse's heart, and Bart starts to get like jealous

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<v Speaker 1>that Millhouse is distracted from them and their friendship because

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<v Speaker 1>of some girl, and they end up getting in a

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<v Speaker 1>fight and Bart strikes Millhouse with the magic apeall later

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<v Speaker 1>on in the Treehouse.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I remember that one a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, by the way, I know, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Could have looked up the definition of mcguffin. But uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was a little more fun. We even

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<v Speaker 3>getting some flak lately on not looking at pronunciations.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, a little bit here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think some some snarky gun Instagram was bagging on

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<v Speaker 3>you because of Navidia. Oh really, it's apparently it's Nvidia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh and also we got taken to test for tagalog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And also like when you when you spell something nv

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<v Speaker 3>dot dot dot, it's a little confusing. Sure we could

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<v Speaker 3>have looked it up, but I don't know, that's just

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<v Speaker 3>not our style.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Plus I was confused. I thought we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Nivia, the skincare brand. Oh see, that sponsors the

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<v Speaker 1>ball drop in Times Square. They're also a chip maker.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine that's actually via.

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<v Speaker 2>The short stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I guess.

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