1 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trust 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: in colleague Wes Honkoitz. We're coming to you here from 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: our studios at Lambeufield, back from Brazil where the Packers 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: unfortunately fell to the Philadelphia Eagles thirty four to twenty nine. 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: And Wes Weather, you're talking about the missed opportunities in 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: that game, the injury to Jordan Love, which we'll get 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: into more of the details of that here in a minute. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: It was just a trip full of regrets for the 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers. Quite frankly, the way the way things ended. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was weird, Mike, because, like I left the stadium, 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean it's a you know, you lost and it sucks, 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: But like I remember being so much more demoralized, like 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: by what happened in London against the Giants, then in 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: this game against the Eagles. And two things that one, 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: I think the Eagles are a pretty good team. 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they are too. 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: And it was a knockdown, slug out fight. I think 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: I counted seven lead changes in this thing. It was 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: balanced throughout. It's just that I think the final round there, 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, the Eagles threw a couple more punches 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 3: and were able to win this thing. It's regrettable from 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: the standpoint that the green bait Packers had multiple chances 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: to take control of this game and they just were 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: not able to do it. When you get three takeaways 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: that the way they did two of them right off 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: the bat, but you only get six points when you 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: seem like every single time there was an opportunity to 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: really separate yourself in this matchup, the Packers fell short. 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 3: And then certainly the last fifteen seconds of the game, 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: Jordan Love goes down with the knee injury, and I 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: just remember sitting there, beautiful stadium, beautiful night, but I 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: just remember sitting there in my chair thinking, like, man, 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: it really happened again, just like with Aaron and the thumb. 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: You hope it doesn't linger the way it did with Aaron. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: But right at the very end, you get got to 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: that game relatively healthy as a team, and then unfortunately 39 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: Jordan goes out. 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, wait, what we have learned to this point 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: with regard to Jordan Love's knee injury. The Packers are 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: not putting him on injured reserve, which is good news. 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: And hearing Matt Lafleur talk about the situation on Monday, 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: he didn't use the phrase week to week, but that's 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: sort of what I took out of it, that, you know, 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur was not going to put a timeline on 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: this thing, and he didn't even actually rule Jordan Love 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: out for this Sunday against the Colts. But you know, 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: I took that not as much about what maybe this weekend, 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: what might or might not happen this weekend, but that 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: there seems to be a lot of internal optimism that 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: Jordan Love's injury is not going to keep him out 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: too awfully. 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Log Now exactly. 55 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: What that's going to mean, we'll have to wait and see. 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: But that was the least good news because we've seen, 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, in past years when Aaron Rodgers has broken 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: collar bones and the broken thumb and things like that. Now, 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: obviously Rogers kept playing through the broken thumb, but it 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: was something that definitely affected the Packers' season in twenty 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 2: twenty two for quite some time. Hopefully Jordan Love can 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: be back on the field sooner than later. The Packers 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: want to make sure that he's going to be all 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: the way back and he can protect himself and he's 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: not at risk of any greater injury to that knee. 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, the Packers are going to prepare 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: Malik Willis, who just got here a couple of weeks ago. 68 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: They're going to prepare him to start against the Indianapolis 69 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Colts in place of Jordan Love. And it's kind of 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: how this league goes sometimes, right, you never know what 71 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: is going to happen week to week in this league, 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: and suddenly the Packers season in week two, what we're 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: looking at right in front of us just looks completely 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: different than maybe what we expected. 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: And my big line, not that I'm some fancy writer, 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: but was every NFL season has twists and turns, and 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: it's how you deal with that. Last year, it was 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: Aaron Jones in the hamstring. That was a storyline for 79 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: Green Bay the entire season. Actually, as it turned out, 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: he ended up aggravating again at the end of the 81 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: year in San Francisco with it Jordan Love with just 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: be in the sprain or whatever would have you. This 83 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: is something that obviously Matt Leffler said they're not going 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: to put him in a position where he can't protect himself. 85 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: They're not going to put them in a position where 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: they're mortgaging their future for the short term, especially in 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: Week two. You don't want to go down that road. 88 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: For Malik Willis. I think this is a golden opportunity 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: if he is ultimately the guy that steps out there 90 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: on the field and leads the Packers into the home 91 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: opener against the Indianapolis Colts, because for so long he 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 3: was looking for that opportunity and that chance to show 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: how he's grown since just getting his feet wet and 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: being thrown into the fire as a rookie in twenty 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: twenty two, barely played last season, and now here he is. 96 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: He comes to Green Bay, has off of strong training camp, 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: strong preseason, but they were going with will Levis and 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: they wanted Mason Rudolph as they're backup Tennessee, so then 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: Willis was available. Here he is now in this offense, 100 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: and with Matt lafluor Tom Clemens, there is going to 101 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: be an encyclopedia throne at him this week, I would imagine, 102 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: But ultimately it's on the coaches to find a digestible 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: game plan that he can function with he can administer 104 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: in the Green Bay Packers very much are still expecting 105 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: to win this game on Sunday. 106 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: I think that's really the key thing. And Matt Lafuir 107 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: emphasized that on Monday that, yes, Malik Willis has only 108 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: been here for a couple of weeks and he can't 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: really put a percentage on how much of the playbook 110 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: he actually knows, or how much of the playbook he 111 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: will know by the time Sunday's kickoff rolls around. But 112 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. What matters is that Malik Willis 113 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: needs to understand one hundred percent of the game plan 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: that the Packers are going to take into this game. No, 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: he won't have that encyclopedic knowledge of the offensive system 116 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: that an Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love would have with 117 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: the experience that they bring with Matt lfuor and with 118 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: this system to the tape. But that's not what matters. 119 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: It's about the game plan that's going to be taken 120 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: into that game on Sunday. And when you look at this, 121 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: you look at what Malik Willis will will have at 122 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: his disposal. Yes, you know, there were a lot of 123 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: regrets from the Eagles game. With regard to the mischances 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: in the red zone, the goal to go after, the turnovers, 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, the penalties, there's a lot 126 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: for the Packers to clean up there on the offensive 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: side of the ball in particular. But a couple of things. 128 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: One we saw the massive explosive playability of Jaden Reid. 129 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: He ends up scoring two touchdowns in this game, one rushing, 130 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: one receiving the thirty three yard end around for a touchdown, 131 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: and then the seventy yard catch and run for a touchdown. 132 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: So that is certainly something for the Packers to hang 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: their hat on. And aside from the end around for 134 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: a touchdown, the Packers really got their running game going. 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: It was a tough slot early they had to make 136 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: some adjustments against the Eagles, but after Josh Jacobs was 137 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: held to just six yards i'm sorry, four yards on 138 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: his first six carries against the Eagles, after that, Wes 139 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: Emanuel Wilson and Josh Jacobs combined for one hundred and 140 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: twenty six yards on fourteen carries. That was nine yards 141 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: per carry basically from the second quarter on against the Eagles. 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: That kind of running game, if the Packers can bring 143 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: that kind of running game into the home opener against 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: the Colts with Malik Willis at quarterback. That's going to 145 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: go a long way for that young man trying to 146 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: get a victory here in Jordan Love's play. 147 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: And that was probably when you get back to what 148 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: this game played out. The most maddening part of it 149 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: is if you would have told me on Friday morning, 150 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: as you and I are getting ready to get go 151 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: to this game, that the Packers are going to run 152 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: the ball twenty one times for one hundred and sixty 153 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: three yards and a touchdown three takeaways, I would say, oh, well, 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: how many touchdowns they went by? Just because it's like 155 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: those are big time numbers and big time explosive plays. 156 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: And the thing that you can take some solace in 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: now going into this is it seemed like they were 158 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: functioning better as a unit in the second half. And 159 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: it's not just okay, well Philly was wearing down. No, 160 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: guys were just fulfilling their assignments. And that's always the 161 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: nice thing about being able to talk to Mattlin floor 162 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: on a Monday and just being able to get away 163 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: from the game a little bit. See the film Take 164 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: the Emotions Out of it in the locker room afterwards, 165 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: as Matt Steimond pointed out and his question to Matt, 166 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: a lot of guys were talking about the scheme change 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: they made and things that they did differently in the 168 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: second half, And as the floor pointed out on Monday, 169 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: it's wasn't so much that it was just guys blocking better, 170 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: being able to take out linebackers at the second level 171 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: rather than them shooting gaps and being able to stall 172 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: the running backs. And be really honest with you, I 173 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: thought one of the biggest plays and I can't remember 174 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: exactly how many yards I went for, but there was 175 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: one of those moments right there early in the third quarter. 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: I believe it was where Josh Jacobs was sort of 177 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: dead to rights in the hole and he made a 178 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: guy miss. And then once they started being able to 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: get some of those ten and eleven yard plays, the 180 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: ball started bouncing a little bit more. Emmanuel Wilson, Dude, 181 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: I've said it time and time again. This guy can 182 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: just run the football. And I had asked Josh Jacobs 183 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: about him two weeks ago and he said, if you 184 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: watch him on film, he doesn't look like he's that fast, 185 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: but that guy can move like when he's on the 186 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: field and you're playing the game of football. He is 187 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: a very difficult guy to bring to the ground with 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: his size and his speed. And they don't have aj Dillon. 189 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, man, especially with Marshawn Lloyd 190 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: still working his way back from this hamstring, Emmanuel Wilson 191 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: is a really good complimentary back in Mike. Before I 192 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: throw this back to I will just say one last time. 193 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen, the Packers lost Aaron Rodgers to the collar 194 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: bowen for the first time. Matt Flynn was a godsend 195 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: coming in from Buffalo after he got cut and was 196 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: able to manage the offense for the next month to 197 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: be able to get the Packers in a playoff position. 198 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: But the reason why the Packers were still alive when 199 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers came back in Chicago was because of how 200 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: well Eddie Lacy ran the football and how well that 201 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: offensive line block for him. However long Jordan Law gone 202 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: zero games, one game, four games, who knows. Yeah, that 203 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: running game is going to be very important for Green 204 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: Bay now moving forward and being able to have a 205 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: second half like they did in Brazil. 206 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope people realize as well. And I 207 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: put together my weekly what you Might have Missed segment 208 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: looking at the film specifically about the running game, and 209 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: I have the clips in there of what the Eagles 210 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: were doing on those early runs the way Nakobe Dean 211 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: Zach bond. The linebackers were shooting gaps. They weren't scraping, 212 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: you know, they weren't playing traditional run defense. They were 213 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: shooting gaps and playing really aggressively, and it was throwing 214 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: off the timing of the Packers blocking where you start 215 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: with a double team or a combo block and then 216 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: a guy shifts off to go pick off the linebacker. 217 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: My point is this is not as simple as saying, oh, 218 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: look at as soon as Emmanuel Wilson went in the game, 219 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: the Packers started to run the ball better. You know, 220 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: so why isn't it just give the ball to Wilson 221 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: instead of Jacobs. Well, take a look at the film, 222 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: because when Wilson did first go into the game, and 223 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: the Packers also did change what they were doing where 224 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: they they instead of just doing strictly the zone scheme runs, 225 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: they were doing some gap scheme runs. They were pulling 226 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan from right guard. They were pulling Tucker Kraft 227 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: from the right side at tight end to come over 228 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: and make blocks. So they were changing up their blocking scheme. 229 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: That got the Eagles on their heels a little bit 230 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: to say like, okay, we can't just charge straight up 231 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: my field against this running game. So then when the 232 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: Packers went back to the zone scheme later in the game, 233 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: and again these clips are in the what you might 234 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: have missed, then you saw the Packers had. The Packers 235 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: timing was a little bit better. They were kind of 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: in some ways ignoring the combo blocks getting to the 237 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: guys on the second level right away so that they 238 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: couldn't shoot those gaps, and the running game just continued 239 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: to produce. And so at the end of the day, 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: you know the It's one of those things about Week one, right, 241 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: the Packers didn't know the Eagles were going to come 242 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: out and just shoot gaps with their linebackers against the 243 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: run in the first quarter. It took them a quarter 244 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 2: to adjust it. Unfortunately, it was during that quarter when 245 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: the Packers were getting the turnovers. They were in the 246 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: red zone and gold to go situations, but had to 247 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: settle for field goals because they couldn't get the running 248 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: game going in those moments. So it's just part of 249 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: how these games play out, and you just never know 250 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: the fact that the Packers still put twenty nine points 251 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: on the board in this game. When you look at 252 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: how many points they sort of left on the board 253 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: with the red zone failures and the one extra point 254 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: where they tried to go for two didn't get it. 255 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: You had a missed field goal in there. The Packers 256 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: put twenty nine on the board and had, you know, 257 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: legitimate opportunity for forty, you know, or at least upper 258 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: thirties in this game. So there is something for the 259 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: Packers to take into this game with Malik Willis at quarterback, 260 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: and then potentially, you know, you throw in the wrinkle 261 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: of a guy like Willis who might have some runs 262 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: designed for him as a quarterback, right, the kind of 263 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: thing that you don't necessarily design for Jordan Love. But 264 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: Malik Willis is a different type of quarterbacks. So I'll 265 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: be curious to see exactly when we talk about the 266 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: game plan and what Malik Willis has to digest, what 267 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: exactly the game plan is going to look like come 268 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. 269 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: It was funny because Matt had said. He came out 270 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: and said right away, you don't. If Jordan is not clear, 271 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: then it will be Milik Willis. With Sean Clifford, the 272 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: fifth round pick from last year's currently on the practice squad, 273 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 3: he would serve as the backup. And some people had 274 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: asked an insider inbox that, well, you know, why would 275 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: you start Clifford? He has more knowledge of the playbook. 276 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: That's true, but there's also a ton of film out 277 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: there in pre season on Sean. People really don't know 278 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 3: what to expect what the Green Bay Packers want to 279 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: do with right Willis contrast to what he was doing 280 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: in some of the things he was asked to do 281 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: in Tennessee. Again, we did the five things story. We 282 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: talked to him after he came here. This is a 283 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: guy that is a dual threat quarterback. A lot of 284 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: people said coming into the league, the more you can 285 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: draw up for him based off of run action is 286 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: going to be really benefit him. In addition to having 287 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: a really good downfield arm towards the sideline, he could win. 288 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: Malik Willis was one of the top quarterbacks in that 289 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two for that reason. It's just now going 290 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: to be a question of how quickly can you catch 291 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: the train? And that's where we're gonna have to find 292 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: out potentially on Sunday, exactly where he's at in this 293 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: whole thing. But the Green Bay Packers went out, Mike, 294 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: we said it. They didn't rest on their laurels. They 295 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: felt they needed to get better at that position, and 296 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: Milik Willis potentially could have a big opportunity to show that. 297 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: It definitely looks like a big opportunity for that young man. 298 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: He did rush for I believe it was right around 299 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: two hundred yards in the three starts that he had 300 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: for Tennessee back as a rookie in twenty twenty. Yeah, 301 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: so he dragged a he know, he averaged, you know, 302 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: right around sixty or seventy rushing yards per game, which 303 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: is pretty productive for a quarterback. 304 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: By the way, because I focus so much on Jacobs 305 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: in Wilson, you had mentioned in your original toss to 306 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: me with Jayden Reid, and I don't know if you're 307 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: planning to get back to that, but I'm just going 308 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: to jump in here and ment. 309 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. 310 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: The way that he made plays in this game. I 311 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: said it to you. I said it to Tom Fanning, 312 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: I haven't covered the league as long as you have. 313 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: I haven't covered the league as long as robdimovsk has. 314 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: In terms of a guy that is a natural wide receiver, 315 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: I've never seen anybody play that position with the vision 316 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: that he has, whether it was on the thirty three 317 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: yard end a round for the touchdown run, or whether 318 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: it was what he for the people he made miss 319 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: on a seventy yard touchdown. When that guy is in 320 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: open space, he's not as big as a running back, 321 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: but he sure runs like one. Yeah, and his ability 322 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: to break ankles. Again, I don't want to get into 323 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: the wide receiver one two, three, four five, talk, but 324 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: I thought this was an excellent example that when the 325 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: pads are on and the bolts are flying, this kid 326 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: is special. 327 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 328 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: We saw we saw a taste of that, right A. 329 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to say tease, because he certainly was 330 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: very productive as a rookie. We saw the potential of 331 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: what Jaden Reid could become in this league as a 332 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: rookie last year. I think what we saw in the 333 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: first game of his second season is that he is 334 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: he is on the verge of sort of entering that 335 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: definition of an electrifying player. There is something, there is 336 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: something special, something different about the ball when it is 337 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: in his hands, when the ball is headed towards him 338 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: through the air, he brings a different dimension to things. 339 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: And I do think that is something the Packers can 340 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: whether it's Jordan Love or Malik Willis at quarterback, I 341 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: think that is something that the Packers are going to 342 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: look to maximize on here moving forward. 343 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four. 344 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: The real tragedy in this was Jordan's knee injury happening 345 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: one play after that thirty three yard catch on the sideline. 346 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: YEAHY read that pound for pound. In terms of the difficulty, 347 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: that might have been the most difficult catch anyone made 348 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: on the field that day, and it came at a 349 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: pivotal time for Green Bay trying to mount and forget 350 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: themselves in a position for hail Mary. They got back 351 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage, Jordan gets hurt on the 352 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: next play. Everybody forgets about. It's not talked about. It's 353 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: kind of lost within the box score. Jayden reed just 354 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: catch radius in addition to just what he does when 355 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: he gets the ball in the open field. Kids got it, man, Yeah, 356 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 3: he's a lot there for the Green Bit Packers to 357 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: work with. 358 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be fun to watch. 359 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: We do need to discuss the defensive side of the 360 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: ball here, and we'll do that after some sponsor business. 361 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: Serius XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 362 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. 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Thirty four points by the Eagles. 371 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: It started out tremendously with the Xavier McKinney interception, a 372 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: great early moment for a brand new Green Bay Packer, 373 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: Then the fumble recovery on the Eagle's second possession, and 374 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: then jay r Alexander had an interception later in the 375 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: game for the three takeaways. Now the Eagles are a 376 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: talented offense. You know, this is the team that's been 377 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. They are a perennial playoff contender. 378 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is a really really difficult quarterback to handle 379 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: that receiver combination AJ Brown DeVante Smith, and then you 380 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: throw Saquon Barkley into the backfield. We talked about him 381 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: all of last week. And that offensive line certainly didn't 382 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: look like without Jason Kelcey at center, that it had 383 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: even skipped a beat. That looked like a pretty darn 384 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: good unit. That that gave the Packers some trouble. 385 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: So all that. 386 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: Being said, getting a few days away from the game 387 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: and trying to digest it, and yes, the mistackles were 388 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: frustrating to watch. I know the field conditions had something 389 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: to do with that, and that cut both ways, et cetera, 390 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: et cetera. Getting away from the game a little bit, 391 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: the two things that bothered me the most of the 392 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: defensive performance were the big touchdown to AJ Brown coming 393 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: out of the gate at halftime. I believe it was 394 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: the second or third play of the second half. The 395 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: Packers had done a decent job of keeping the explosive plays, 396 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: you know, at least in check a little bit during 397 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: the first half, but then boom, they hit you for 398 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: that big one. It goes all the way for a touchdown, 399 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: sort of answered the seventy yard er that Jaden Reid 400 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: had had in the second quarter for Green Bay. And 401 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: then the other one for me was the final drive. 402 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: You know, the Packers, they bogged out on an offense. 403 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: There's you know, still eight minutes left on the clock basically, 404 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: and Matt Lafleur in close decides, okay, not going to 405 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: go for it on fourth down. Here kick the field 406 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: goal to get within two points. Because you're only down five, 407 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: get within two. There's eight minutes on the clock. You 408 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: should have a chance to get the ball back. And 409 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: the Packers defense couldn't get off the field. The Eagles 410 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: killed seven minutes and twenty five seconds out of seven 411 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 2: minutes fifty two seconds in the fourth quarter, ran that 412 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: clock all the way down, kicked the field with goal 413 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: to go back up by five, and the Packers did 414 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, just had those those few seconds left. Those 415 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: were the two things that I think were the most troublesome, 416 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: where the one long touchdown that was allowed and then 417 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: that final drive when Green Bay couldn't get off the field. 418 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: Those are the you know, you limit explosives and you 419 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: don't let a team control the football for fifteen sixteen plays, right, 420 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: Those are the kinds of things that get you beat 421 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: defensively in a very offensive league. So I think that's 422 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: that becomes the focus moving forward because I think that, 423 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, the tackling is going to get better. 424 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: It was week one. 425 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: You know, guys haven't necessarily played, you know, I mean, 426 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: all all these things factor into into Week one matchups. 427 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: But so that's an area that I think will just 428 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 2: get better for the Packers the more they play. 429 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: With you one hundred percent. Two things to really quickly. 430 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: I want to go over first because people always like 431 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: doing this little funny thing about, oh, this is why 432 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: you played starters in the preseason. I think I heard 433 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 3: something during the Monday night broadcast. I don't remember the 434 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: exact total, the amount of illegal procedure penalties called league 435 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: wide this week one was like up there in terms 436 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: of the totality of league history. I think there was 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: like a dozen or some two dozen or something like that. 438 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: Well, and they decided to make this emphasis about the 439 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: alignment of the offensive line and making sure guys are 440 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: not too far off the ball and all that. So 441 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: they just started, you know, they just started chucking flags 442 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: like crazy, which, of course it would have been nice 443 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: if they had been doing that in the preseason. Yeah, 444 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: post to waiting until week one. But I digress. 445 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 3: Could they do a thing where it's like all the 446 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: offensive linemann have to check with the side judge. Yeah, 447 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: so it's like you have the receiver outside, Yeah, so 448 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: everybody else making sure we're all on the linements. 449 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: Or we're okay. 450 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's where you brought up the thing that bothered 451 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: you the most. For me, it's a fact that the 452 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: Eagles did not convert a third down in the second half. 453 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 3: They did not convert when they're over five in the 454 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: second half. They were four and thirteen in the game. Yeah, 455 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: the Packers struggled to get them in third down situations? 456 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: Was the issue? When they did, they got off the 457 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: field or you had a weird defensive holding penalties that 458 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: got called. Yeah. 459 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: I was gonna say the one third down that was 460 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: a conversion that doesn't statistically go as a conversion as 461 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: the defensive hold on Kenny Clark, which was on third 462 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: and seven. It was going to be I think fourth 463 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: and one off of a Hurtz running player scramble, but 464 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: instead of even the fourth and one and the chance 465 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: to maybe get the stop there, it was an automatic 466 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: first down for a defensive hold on the interior of 467 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: the defensive line. 468 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: And then he also had the defensive holding on Jire 469 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: Alexander for his mime work in fields. Was that aj bra. 470 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Which which took which took away what was going to 471 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: be a third and twelve right at the start of 472 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: that was the very start of the drive. The Packers 473 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: were going to have the Eagles in third and twelve, 474 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: but then Alexander got flagged for maybe one of the 475 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: most phantom defensive holding calls I've ever seen. 476 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: But again, all that aside, I digress, Yeah, aside, because 477 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that was the frustrating part of it. But 478 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 3: here's why the green bait Packers lost the game. They 479 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: didn't lose because of that. They didn't lose because of 480 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: Kenny's thing. They lost because between the explosive plays and 481 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: the ability for the Eagles to stay sustained drives, the 482 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: Eagles ran the clock out on them, basically, and when 483 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: they had the football, they just were a bit more efficient. 484 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 3: Green Bay really struggled in the goal to go situations 485 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: and the red zone opportunities and just weren't able to convert. 486 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: Whereas when you get a sixty seven yard touchdown like 487 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: he did with aj Brown to start the second half, 488 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: the Packers went into halftime ahead. I believe they might 489 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: even went into the fourth quarter ahead too, if my 490 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: memory serves me correctly. At least it was close, and 491 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: it just was that the Eagles kept applying the pressure 492 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: and if you could just find a way, you don't 493 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: have to go get an interception or a fumble recovery 494 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: on every single series. But after those two takeaways, that's 495 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: when Jalen Hurts found his rhythm. He started finding Smith, 496 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: he started finding Brown and Saquon Barkley, Mike. Like I say, 497 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: every freaking time the Packers play Saquon Barkley, they bottle 498 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 3: them up early, and then he breaks those two or 499 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: three carries that one make his stats look a lot 500 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: more impressive than they probably were, and two really translate 501 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: in the box score in terms of the wins and 502 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 3: the losses and the touchdowns. He again was efficient when 503 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: his team needed him to be efficient, just like last 504 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: December when we were in East Rutherford. So for Green Bay, 505 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: it's about trying to figure out what exactly the answers 506 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: are going to be to this. Xavier McKinney came to 507 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: the podium after the game. He felt like a lot 508 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 3: of the things the Packers did incorrectly are correctable. I 509 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: think there's still a lot of optimism, still a lot 510 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: of hype, still a lot of energy about this defense 511 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: and what's going to happen under Jeff Haffley. But what 512 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: they have to find that balance with is you can 513 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: get a lot of takeaways. The twenty eleven defense led 514 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: the league in takeaways. They also were thirty second and 515 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: total yards allot Yeah, you have to be able to 516 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: strike the balance there In Green Bay, I thought the 517 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: front played well at times. It sounds like from the 518 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: pass rushing perspective, the guys executed the assignment they wanted 519 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: to contain Jalen Hurts. They largely did that. 520 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: Thirteen carries for thirty three yards. Again, another one like 521 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: you were talking about earlier. You look at a stat 522 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: at the end of the game, if you had told 523 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: me before kickoff, Jalen Hurts was gonna have thirty three 524 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: yards rushing on thirteen attempts. Considering what Jalen Hurts did 525 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: to the Packers two years ago in Philadelphia with his legs, 526 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: would have been like, that's great. Then the defense is 527 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: doing the job there, right, It's a there's there's always 528 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: a push and pull, there's a give and take. You 529 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: try to take something away, and it's then what does 530 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: the opponent do to try to compensate for that? And 531 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: it was the combination of the explosive plays and then 532 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: the one long sustained drive at the end when the 533 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: Packers are desperately wanting to get the ball back. You're 534 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: only down by two, get it back, get another field goal, 535 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: and you know, you take the lead, you have a 536 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: chance to win, and it just never materialized. 537 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: If you want, like the end of the forty nine 538 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 3: Ers game, I mean, that's basically what the forty nine 539 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: Ers did too. When you get a lead like that, 540 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: you can start pounding it down another team's throat, You 541 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 3: gas out their defense, you kind of take the air 542 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: out of the balloon a little bit, and you're able 543 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: to get out of there with a victory. The part 544 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: that I think that's funny, though, Mike Night, we can 545 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: cover this league for so long, and as much as 546 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: coaches don't want to give a gooway game plans, they 547 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: don't want to talk about, you know, what's what's going 548 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: to happen. How many times is it where you go 549 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: back and look and see what happened the last time 550 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: between two teams in the adjustments that those teams make, right, 551 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: whether it was the way the Packers defended Hurts or 552 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: as Keishawn Nixon talked about last time. He absolutely killed 553 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: them in that game in twenty twenty two. Yeah, in 554 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: the kickoff returns, I think he averaged like thirty one 555 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: yards of return or something one hundred and fifty two 556 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: yards total. And in this game, they weren't messing with 557 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: it every single time man is booting it through the 558 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: end zone. It's those type of things. Now, talking quickly 559 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 3: about some silver linings here to come out of this. 560 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: I thought Edrin Cooper got eleven snaps, He had three 561 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: tackles in a pass deflection. When you're talking about guys 562 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 3: maximizing their minutes there, Matt Lafour even said on Monday, 563 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 3: he's probably warranting more opportunities here moving forward. 564 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: Every time we see Edger and Cooper on the field, 565 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: whether it was on the practice field during training camp 566 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: and which unfortunately we didn't get to see him as 567 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: much as we wanted, also then seeing him in this 568 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: opening game against the Eagles. Anytime we see Edger and 569 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: Cooper on the field, his speed jumps off the field 570 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: like it's undeniable how fast he is and how much 571 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: faster he is than the average defensive player, at least 572 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: defensive front seven player in this league. 573 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 3: And it's pivotable the inside linebacker position, because you could 574 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: talk about guys that have four to four speed. I 575 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: mean he had four or five to one, quay as 576 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: four to five to two. You know, there's guys like 577 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 3: we talked about before the game. TJ. Edwards, you know, 578 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: he ran in the four to eights, goes undrafted, but 579 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 3: he doesn't waste any movement and can play the game 580 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: at a faster level based on how he's reading things. 581 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: The benefit of that speed, especially for a young players, 582 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: it's going to allow you to maybe make some mistakes, 583 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: but allow your athleticism will compensate for that. Matt Lafleur said, 584 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: it wasn't perfect. There's some communication stuff that Cooper has 585 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: to work out. You have to be able to get 586 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: those reps, you have to be able to be thrown 587 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: in the fire a little bit. But when the Packers 588 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: are looking for an improving defense throughout the course of 589 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: the seat, and I'm not playing depth chart here, but 590 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 3: I'm just telling you there's a reason why they drafted 591 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: him and in Tron Hopper. I mean, these are the 592 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: guys that were Day two picks. They see as fundamental 593 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: guys that you can build with in the future. And 594 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 3: giving him an op some opportunities I think is going 595 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 3: to be really pivotal here moving forward. 596 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I look at the big picture on the 597 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: defensive side for the Packers, I just I'm you know me, Wes, 598 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: I just I feel like the game is oriented toward offense. 599 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: When you see these phantom defensive holding calls on Jay 600 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: Orr Alexander and some random like once out of sixty 601 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: plays a defensive holding call on a defensive lineman out 602 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: a third and seven. I mean, it's just there's so 603 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: much in this game that is geared against defenses. Yeah, 604 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: that we talk a lot about complimentary football, and that's 605 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: how you win games in this league. And to me, 606 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 2: complimentary football in this league is when your defense is 607 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: able to do something positive the offense has to capitalize 608 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: on to maintain control of the game. And when you 609 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: look at how this game unfolded, the defense got the 610 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: two turnovers early, but the offense was only able to 611 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: put six points on the board. In the second half, 612 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: the defense got back to back three and outs, back 613 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: to back three and outs. After the Eagles had established 614 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: quite a bit in the second quarter offensively and put 615 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: some points on the board, the defense gets back to 616 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: back three and outs, but then the Packers offense goes 617 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: punt interception on those two following possessions. That's not complimentary football, 618 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: and that's not what That's not how to win games 619 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: in this league. You have to be able to capitalize 620 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: when your defense does good things, because there are going 621 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: to be bad things that happened to your defense all 622 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: the time in this league. That's how it's generated, that's 623 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: how it's oriented. It's about offense, it's about scoring points. 624 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: And the Packers weren't able to capitalize on the good 625 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: things that they're defense. 626 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for Xavier McKinney to come out in 627 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 3: the second play as a official member the Green Bay 628 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: Packers in a regular season game and have that interception. 629 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: You know Jyry Alexander gets the one laid as well, 630 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: and Green Bay just isn't able to get those footballs 631 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: in the end zone. And that's it's tough man. We again, 632 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: that's ultimately you go back to twenty twenty in the 633 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: NFC Championship game. That's how they lost that game. They 634 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: got some takeaways, they weren't able to create enough points 635 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: in the second half with them. You have to be 636 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: able to finish those opportunities, especially early on when you're 637 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: getting it inside the scoring territory of the other team. 638 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: Now again, I think you want to look at silver 639 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: linings the fact that green Bay got out of this 640 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: thing defensively healthy. You know, we were able to now 641 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: face a team and Anton Richardson coming in that challenge 642 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: that that's going to present in a very similar type 643 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: of quarterback and he's going to do things unorthodox. He 644 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: completed and we'll talk about this later this week. I mean, 645 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: he completed nine passes for two hundred yards. He isn't 646 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: exploding play waiting to happen, but isn't your traditional quarterback. 647 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: It's not going to get easier, is my point. Green 648 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: Bay's defense is going to have to have a gut 649 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: check here, have to look in the mirror, and it's 650 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 3: going to have to make sure they say to themselves, Okay, 651 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: we had did some really good things in the preseason, 652 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 3: We did some really good things during training camp. How 653 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: do we make those things happen on Sundays other than 654 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: just getting some takeaways early? 655 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I know we're running a little bit long. 656 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: I just want to get a couple of thoughts from 657 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: you on other things around the league. In Week one, 658 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: particularly in the NFC North, the Lions and the Vikings 659 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: and the Bears all chalked up victories in very different ways. 660 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: Hats off to the Vikings, Sam Darnold, Aaron Jones making 661 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: their debut in those purple helmets. Those guys got it done. 662 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: The Vikings defense got it done against a Giants team 663 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: that is definitely searching for answers. The Lions, they blow 664 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: the lead on Sunday Night Football to the Rams, and 665 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: the Rams actually have a chance to put that game away. 666 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: They have a first down with two and a half 667 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: minutes to go, and but the Lions get the stop, 668 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: they get the tying field goal, then they just ran 669 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: the ball down. The Rams throats in overtime. So Matthew 670 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: Stafford didn't, you know, basically from the two and a 671 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: half minute mark where Stafford has a first down for 672 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: the Rams and a chance to put the game away, 673 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: basically Stafford didn't get the ball back. The Lions drove 674 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: and kicked the field goal to tie, and then in 675 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: the one possession in overtime, and then the Bears their 676 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: defense and special teams overcame a very shaky debut from 677 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams at quarterback. So everybody else in the NFC 678 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: North is one. 679 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: To Ozero and the Packers are on one looking up. 680 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: I just want to see that Tennessee Titans team, that 681 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: same Tennessee Titans team in two weeks. I mean that 682 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: what they did and the ways in which they hurt themselves, 683 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: whether it was the block punt or just the offensive 684 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: just atrocity in. 685 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: This It was Christmas in September in Chicago. Man, Holy Kyle, 686 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: that was that was a total giveaway of a football game, 687 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: beyond like, beyond normal comprehension. 688 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: It is one thing if you would be doing that 689 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: in the first half and you fall behind. You guys 690 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: had a three score lead, and that's how you let 691 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: it leak away by just quickly giving them Christmas present 692 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: after Christmas. It was unbelievable, and the Bears get out 693 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: of there with the win. I'll bring it back really 694 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: quick to the Vikings because I've been very critical of them. 695 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 3: I had some huge questions, especially after McCarthy's injury. Sam Donald, 696 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: I've still I've gone so many different ways on Sam Donald. Mike. 697 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: I mean, he did put together some good football last 698 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: year for the forty nine ers. I mean he stepped up. 699 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: He did need him to do. I thought that that 700 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: was a questionable signing for them to give him ten 701 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: million dollars and to have him go to Minnesota as 702 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: you know, this starter holding you know, the seat warm, 703 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: and then he did exactly nineteen of twenty four, did 704 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: exactly what he needed to do to help the Vikings 705 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: win that game. The Lions quickly one hundred and sixty 706 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: three rushing yards Mike. 707 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: And most of those on one drive in overtime. 708 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: Quite frank then David Montgomery, when you know they have 709 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: they have the backs and they got the offensive lineman, 710 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: and some people were joking about on Twitter when they've 711 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: kind of forgot about that for a little bit. They 712 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 3: showed that when they need to, they can just run 713 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: the ball down your throat. 714 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll make a couple other comments and then we'll 715 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: get out of here. With regard to the Vikings, we 716 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: saw last year when Kirk Cousins went down and the 717 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: Vikings were putting these other quarterbacks in there. We saw 718 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs, right, we saw Kevin O'Connell come up with 719 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: these game plans, and Josh Dobbs was able to win 720 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: some games and keep the Vikings in contention, but it 721 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: was always short lived. Right then, as soon as as 722 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: soon as there's enough out there, then teams figure out, okay, 723 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: this is what Kevin O'Connell in this offensive system is 724 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: doing with this quarterback, and then defenses are able to 725 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: start to buckle down. They make life more difficult, and ultimately, 726 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, the Vikings faded in the end. What will 727 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: happen now with Sam Darnold Because this was another new guy. 728 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell was able to strut his stuff. And I'm 729 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: not being critical of O'Connell here in terms of how 730 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: the Vikings, he's a good gun, did last year. I'm 731 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: being complimentary that he takes these quarterbacks that nobody expects 732 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: him to be able to win with. He puts together 733 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: these game plans and gets those guys executing the level 734 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: where they can. It just hasn't proven to be sustainable 735 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 2: when you don't have that franchise quarterback guy, right, So 736 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what happens with the Vikings 737 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: in that regard moving forward. The other thing I want 738 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: to say is coming out of Week one, and I 739 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: know mostly my brain is always focused on the NFC. 740 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: I don't look at the AFC all that much as 741 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: the regular season goes on, but I was most impressed 742 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 2: by three teams in the NFC, one being the Eagles. 743 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: They really did impress me. 744 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: As frustrating as it was to see the Packers not 745 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: be able to pull out that game, I do think 746 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: the Eagles are going to be darn good. But the 747 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 2: other two teams that impressed me were the Cowboys and 748 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers. I thought both of those, especially 749 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: especially the Cowboys being on the road in Week one 750 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: at Cleveland, a team that was the best defense in 751 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: the league last year statistically in several categories, and the 752 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 2: Cowboys really took it to them and kind of got 753 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 2: a runaway blowout victory in Week one, right after Dak 754 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: Prescott signs the big new contract and all that. So 755 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: things are looking up down there in Dallas, at least 756 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: the way the season is starting. 757 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: And you tip your cap to Kyle Shanahan, you tip 758 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: your cap to the forty nine ers to not have 759 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 3: I don't care if they didn't know, if he wasn't 760 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: playing on Friday or ten minutes before the game, did 761 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: not have Christian McCaffrey. To put Jared Mason out there, 762 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: who's a guy they've been developing, but to put him 763 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: out there. He gets more carries in that game than 764 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: he's ever had since high school. Guy played at Georgia Tech, 765 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 3: and he didn't have that many carries right right, and 766 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 3: to be able to perform the way he did finish 767 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: with one hundred and forty seven rushing yards helped me win. 768 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: My fantasy game was sam But the fact that they 769 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 3: were able to run as dominant and play as dominantly 770 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: as they did against that forty nine or the Jets defense, 771 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: I think speaks volumes about those I've talked a. 772 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 2: Lot over the last couple of years. When we talk 773 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: about the forty nine ers, you know, Deebo, Samuel George Kittle, 774 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey is as good, as dangerous, as explosive an 775 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 2: offensive trio as there is in this league. But anytime 776 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 2: one of those guys has been out a lot of time, 777 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: it's been Deebo. But there are times that McCaffrey has 778 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: missed games as well. In his time in San Francisco, 779 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like San Francisco's offense is the same. 780 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: Last night was the first time Monday Night against the Jets, 781 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,479 Speaker 2: the first time that it felt to me the forty 782 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: nine ers were missing one of those big three on 783 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 2: offense and you couldn't tell. You couldn't tell, and that 784 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: that was in my mind what was so impressive about 785 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: that performance. 786 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: And they didn't even try to start passing with Mason either. 787 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 3: They just said, run the football, kid, go do the 788 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 3: best seats. 789 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: That kid ran hard, You ran hard hard. 790 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: It was. It was a fun game to watch in 791 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 3: terms of that and maybe not the most entertaining ever, 792 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: but just watching a guy that is an underformer, undrafted 793 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 3: free agent. Now he's playing for a team that was 794 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl last year and they just say, yeah, 795 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: we don't have the reigning NFL Offensive Player of the Year. 796 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 3: You're gonna be the one carrying the football for us. 797 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, here he go. 798 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive. 799 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: Here you go. 800 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: All right. Well, we've gone long today, but it's been 801 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: a fun show. 802 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for putting up with us. 803 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: Please continue to follow all of our coverage of the 804 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 2: Packers on Packers dot Com. Week two, we'll have another 805 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 2: show this week. We'll look ahead to the Indianapolis Cult 806 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 2: and that matchup, and maybe we'll hear from one or 807 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: both of the Packers quarterbacks by the then by the 808 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: time next time we turn the cameras on for Wes, 809 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 2: I am Mike. 810 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, everybody. We will see you 811 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: next time.