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Speaker 2: Can remember, Quinn, way way back. I have a memory

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Speaker 2: if any of you guys had this experience. My grandmother

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Speaker 2: The reason I was fascinated by it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: you learn about the progression as it's laid out in

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Speaker 2: the creation of Adam, and Adam the name Adam actually

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Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about the name Adam quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking quite a bit recently about, particularly this week,

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Speaker 2: and we all do, but you add, you add a

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Speaker 2: that you got a monster on your hands. Today we're

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Speaker 2: going to have a discussion about a person named Adam.

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Speaker 2: I won't call Adam a man, I'll say he's a male.

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Speaker 2: And another person who is arguably one of the most

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Speaker 2: this is body Bags Dave mac Gotta tell you, brother,

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Speaker 2: I had a moment this week, and I don't have

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Speaker 2: still to this day, where what two is it? Two years? No,

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Speaker 2: we're more than that. We're multiple years down range from

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Speaker 2: when she was actually last seen.

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Speaker 3: Alive, actually last seen twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, yeah, yeah, roughly December. Yeah. And it all

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Speaker 3: At the end of twenty twenty one when we actually

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, she's been missing for how long? When

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Speaker 3: found out a little bit more about Harmony. Harmony had

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Speaker 2: And her yeah, Harmony was actually blind. And if I'm

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Speaker 2: this perfect little little smile. Her right eye is kind

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Speaker 2: My wife spent a long time in public education working

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Speaker 2: with hearing impaired and she she's very proficient at American

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Speaker 2: as much fury as I've had about this case. When

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Speaker 2: They're discarded, and unfortunately, well unfortunately, you know, Harmony never

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Speaker 3: That was actually one of the tip offs, because she

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Speaker 3: fact she hadn't been seen in two years, she should

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Speaker 3: have been enrolled in school. That was the first layer

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Speaker 3: Youth and Families. They were involved. There was a judge

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Speaker 3: wasn't capable of caring for her daughter. Biological father got custody,

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Speaker 3: but he didn't steal her. He had custody given to

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Speaker 3: him by a judge signed.

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Speaker 2: Off the court. Yes of the court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And Adam Montgomery was nowhere to be found. When

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Speaker 3: to the police and most people, I will call myself

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Speaker 3: as one of these people, why did you wait so long?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Two years? But let's put that aside for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Find out where she is. Well, we can't find the dad.

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Speaker 3: They found Adam Montgomery at the end of December, and

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Speaker 3: he gives them the same song and dance. You know

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Speaker 4: You had it? Now, where is harmony?

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Speaker 2: You know what, Dave? I gotta tell you, buddy. One

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Speaker 2: I could see it in the faces of those police officers.

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Speaker 2: out there and they're saying, look, man, we you know

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Speaker 2: That's that secondary at this point in time. You know,

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Speaker 2: And trust me, you know, I think that they knew that.

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Speaker 2: The Department of Family and Children's Services as well as

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Speaker 2: the judge may have had more intimate knowledge about harmony,

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Speaker 2: about her needs because she is she is truly look,

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Speaker 2: she is truly a definition of a special needs kid

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Speaker 2: that would need not just educational services, she needs medical services.

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Speaker 2: She needs therapeutic services so that she can begin to

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Speaker 2: Because she she has this problem with her eyes. There

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Speaker 2: Who knows. And that's that's the real dark veil that

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Speaker 3: Where is your daughter? We just want harmony. Don't care

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Speaker 3: Tell me where is harmony? Who has harmony? And if

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Speaker 3: Let's find out what Let's bring her own let's bring

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Speaker 3: If I'm not under arrest, you know, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 2: That's almost like you have you got no shame whatsoever,

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Speaker 3: Let me share one thing with you that came out

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Speaker 3: And that's judgmental, Dave. And I shouldn't have said that

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Speaker 2: Can stop you real quick, Dave. I just I want

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Speaker 2: that point, I will pointedly ask her why did you

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Speaker 3: I'm reminded of the nine one one call in Casey Anthony,

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Speaker 3: his bare hands, his fist. He hit a five year

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00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: old special needs girl in the back seat of the

431
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: car while he's driving, so hard that he knew he

432
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: had killed her.

433
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: And they continued on to Burger King. Yep, that's you

434
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: know where they were headed. And you know what's key

435
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: in that statement, Dave to me, if I'm trying to

436
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: figure this out forensically and trying to understand the trauma,

437
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: and it's that quote. It's not so much I think

438
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: I really hurt her, it's I think I really hurt

439
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: her this time, which implies that this is an ongoing issue.

440
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: And as we find out, he has been known to

441
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: strike this child specifically for this reason, for soiling herself.

442
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: And let's just break it down and look, little kids,

443
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: you don't have to have special needs issues. It's compounded,

444
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, potty training and all that. And just so

445
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: that we can paint the picture. This guy can do

446
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: no better for his kid than to provide a domicile

447
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: in a Chrysler product. That that's the domicile, okay. And

448
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: the child probably from moment to moment, doesn't know where

449
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: they're going to go. When's the next time I'm going

450
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: to be able to go potty? And she's faced with

451
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: that decision, and can you imagine And I've tried to

452
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: think about this legitimately from this perspective, because it's this

453
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: kind of learned or responsive behavior that she's going to have.

454
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: When you see people that have been abused as a result,

455
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: particularly when they're being struck, if there is a long line,

456
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: all the abuser has to do. It doesn't even take emotion.

457
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: You can turn and glare at them, and particularly with

458
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: a child, a five year old child, and it gets

459
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: their attention very very quickly. And she can This is

460
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: the thing, and this is what breaks my heart about it.

461
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: This child who is forced to live in this Chrysler

462
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: product is living in this small space. And just so

463
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, the Seabreen is a two door car, it's

464
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: not a four door. It's a cramped space. She's occupying

465
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: the back seat, she's there is an awareness of fear.

466
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: It just kind of permeates this environment and all he

467
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: has to do is turn around. And so what does

468
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: she do? I upside, you know, a tten on myself

469
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. However they became aware. Maybe it

470
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: was a smell. I have no idea, But when we

471
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: think about this, I hurt her this time. When you're

472
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: an autopsy and you're trying to understand trauma to anyone,

473
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: but let's just think about harmony. There'll never be an

474
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: opportunity to do an autopsy, I doubt, very seriously. But

475
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: you look at this progression of trauma where a child

476
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: is initially struck, that heals, and then you strike them again,

477
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: and you have these kind of overlapping, maybe focal areas

478
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: of hemorrha throughout the body. That's one of the reasons

479
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: when I instruct police officers and particularly those that work

480
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: that work crimes against children, we have a chart that

481
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: we use where I teach them about contusions and bruises

482
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, because you can you can

483
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: learn a lot. It's almost like the rings of a

484
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: tree in a horrific way. But dependent upon what the

485
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: status of a contusion is, you can get an idea

486
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: that there has been a progression, not so much a

487
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: progression as like a continued series of abuse.

488
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: Sees, then they could find out see. One of the

489
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: things the police found during their investigation was that in

490
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: July of twenty nineteen, during that summer that Adam Montgomery

491
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: had admitted to family members that he hit Harmony so

492
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: hard in the face that he blackened her eye, and

493
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: rather than tell them that she fell down or hit it,

494
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: he actually told him I hit her. And so when

495
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: police were investigating and talking to family to corroborate some

496
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: of the things they were being told, family said, yeah,

497
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: he hit her so hard it blackened ry.

498
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: You'd be able to.

499
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: Figure that out if you had the opportunity to look

500
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: at her later, to find out if this was a

501
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: regular pattern of a.

502
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that, I'm glad you brought up

503
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: the blackened eye because it troubles me when you have

504
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: and if anybody's ever broken their nose for instance, or

505
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: seen someone that has had some kind of plastic surgery,

506
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: say a rhinoplasty or something like that, they'll have bilateral,

507
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: bilateral blackened eyes. And one of the reasons is is

508
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: that there's a fracturing that's going on, and the floor

509
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: of the skull is very thin. It's when you get

510
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: behind the eyes that area is and I've had forensic

511
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: pathologists describe it as as eggshell like. And so if

512
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: you and I've seen this done, you can actually take

513
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: a skull in a flashlight and if you can position

514
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: it just right, and there's some dissection that has going

515
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: but just trust me with this. You can shine a

516
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: flashlight up through the floor of the skull and it

517
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: is translucent almost. That's how thin that bone is. And

518
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: so how much more so for a five year old

519
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: if you're dealing with repeated strikes. Now, it may bee

520
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: her orbits weren't fractured. Maybe she had fractured nose, but

521
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: that's still the skull and it you know, and the

522
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: family is recognizing this. And what's really troubling is I've

523
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: seen images of harmony. She always wears glasses and when

524
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: she was little. Have you ever seen kids that are

525
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: very young and I know that people in an audience

526
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: will have You might have children like this that have

527
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: had to wear glasses since they were like babies. They'll

528
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: have these kind of plastic, rubberized glasses that kind of

529
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: wrap their almost like goggles. Every image I have seen

530
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: of her, with the exception of one that looked like

531
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: some kind of school picture or portrait, she's always got

532
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: glasses on. If you strike that child in the head,

533
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: you're not only striking her like that, but you're also

534
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: driving those frames into into her eye in the surrounding area.

535
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: And here's another thing. What was the status of her glasses?

536
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: I know that seems benign, but we're talking about care.

537
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: Did she even have glasses at that point or did

538
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: he not care enough to supply her with those or

539
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: make it happen. She wasn't going to a doctor, so

540
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: was this poor blind child who had limited sight obviously?

541
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Did she even still own a pair of glasses? Or

542
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: did she sit back there in that backseat alone, terrified

543
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: and habitually left in the dark?

544
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: Who?

545
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: When? Where? How? You never get an answer to why?

546
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: You never do? And I it escapes me. I can't

547
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: get an answer. None of us can get an answer

548
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: to why. You can try it, But I think day,

549
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: for our moments together right now, I'd like to try

550
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: to understand what I really would That's the burning question.

551
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 2: What became of her? I think I think you can.

552
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: And that's Joe.

553
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was possible when we first started

554
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: looking into this missing girl. What are we going to

555
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: find because the dad who actually knows what happened is

556
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: not cooperating.

557
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: He's a liar.

558
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: You know.

559
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: We know all this, and now we have a lot

560
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: more information that they have been able to verify it.

561
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: And that's why I wanted to add this is I'm

562
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: gonna be honest, friends, if you've ever wondered what you

563
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: can learn where I thought we'll never know what happened

564
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: to Harmony. I think forensically the story is told because

565
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 3: after he says I think I heard her this time,

566
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: they continued on. They went to Burger King. They ended

567
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: up back at the Colonial apartment complex, where a friend

568
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: of theirs lived. They were staying in their car in

569
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: that parking lot. They stayed there for twenty minutes. Now,

570
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: in that time period, they heard Harmony struggling, moaning, breathing, labored,

571
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: but it did stop, and at some point they decide

572
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: let's go somewhere else. By the way, they haven't checked

573
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: on Harmony. They take off in the Chrysler Seabring and

574
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: they're out on the road when the car breaks down.

575
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: It breaks down at an intersection and they have to

576
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: get it out of the road. They're going to have

577
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: to get it towed. Well, that's when they find out

578
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: she's dead. That's the first time they bothered a check

579
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: on Harmony Montgomery. And they've heard her struggling to breathe,

580
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: they heard her moaning, they heard it all stop. And

581
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: now they find out she's dead. So what does this

582
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: dear old dad do. He goes to the back trunk

583
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: and he gets a bag, an under armour bag black

584
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: and white, dumps out of the clothing in it, and

585
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: he goes and he puts Harmony Montgomery's lifeless body into

586
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: the armor under armored bag and they now walk back

587
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: to the apartment complex. Once they're there, a friend that

588
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: who lives in the apartment complex who then decides to

589
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: let them stay in his audi in the parking lot

590
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: for a couple of days, not letting him in their apartment. Okay,

591
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: think about that. This is your friend, right, The friend

592
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: knows them what. I'll let you stay out here in

593
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: the parking lot in your car. You ain't coming in

594
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: my apartment.

595
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: Now.

596
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: Adam Montgomery is carrying the lifeless body of his five

597
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: year old special needs daughter in a bag over his shoulder.

598
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: The friend comes, they get the rest of the stuff

599
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: out of the car. They end up staying in the

600
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: OUTI for a couple of days with Harmony's body. Now,

601
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: after a couple of days, Caleb Montgomery, Adam's wife contacts

602
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: her mother, Christine, can we come and stay with you?

603
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: We're really out.

604
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: We got a problem, you know, the cars in the

605
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: shop and her moms they sure, you can come to

606
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: stay with me for a little while. This is where

607
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: they first transfer Harmony's body from the.

608
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 4: Bag to a cooler.

609
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: Or not I say, or not Joe, because I was

610
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: looking at the story as they were able to find

611
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: forensic evidence on everything else. They never found anything forensically

612
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: in that cooler linking back to Harmony Montgomery, but they

613
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: did find others. After a couple of weeks with mom,

614
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: they get into a half like a halfway house for

615
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: families in need, and they have a room there and

616
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: it's a place that allows families that are going through

617
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: a tough time to gather themselves together and to rent

618
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 3: their own you know, save up, rent your own place,

619
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: which is what they did. So after three weeks with mom.

620
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: They leave and move into this fits center and they

621
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: take Harmony's body. Now it's in it's back in the

622
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: bag again. Okay, it's back in the under armored bag,

623
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: the black and white bag. Harmony's dead by now for

624
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: three and a half weeks or so, yeah, three and

625
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: a half weeks. And they take the body and they

626
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: put it in the ceiling tiles of but in their room.

627
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: At some point they notice fluid leaking out of the bag,

628
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: the under armor bag, and so Dad wraps it in

629
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: a trash bag. They end up double wrapping it. The

630
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: smell starts getting out. They're there for fifty three days

631
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: in this room before they're able to move into an apartment.

632
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: And in that time period there were people who complained

633
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: of an odd smell.

634
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: Right right, And it would in the ceiling. It's going

635
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: to get into into the HVAC system probably, and it

636
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: will travel or permeate it and it doesn't necessarily have

637
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: to get into the air handler itself. It can kind

638
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: of permeate, you know, because if you've got like an

639
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: acoustic ceiling, there's not a big difference. You can move

640
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: if you're in that space, you can move from one

641
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: area to another. And certainly you're not going to prevent smell.

642
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: I want to plastic garbage back the odor of the

643
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: decomposition get out of that.

644
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: It all depends on the nature of the sealed bags.

645
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: And yes, and if if you have fluid that is

646
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: leaking out, that's what's referred to as purge fluid. It happens,

647
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: and it's a it's a it's a very interesting mix

648
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: of fluids that decompasses, decomposing bodies produce. And it's a

649
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: it's a mixture of blood. You've got cytoplasm. Uh, the

650
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: cells are breaking down. Uh, it's it's an interesting mix.

651
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: And even you can have liquefied fat sometimes the the

652
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: adipose tissue in bodies. So you get this this you know,

653
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: I've heard people described that that fluid.

654
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: Is.

655
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: I had one friend that used to uh uh refer

656
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: to it as the most evil substance known to man.

657
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about it is, even for people

658
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: that work in the morgue and that go out on

659
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: scenes and handle these cases, once you get this fluid

660
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: on your clothing, you you better not wear anything that

661
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: you really value because it's it's ruined. It's ruined. You

662
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: have to you literally have to trash it and the

663
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: smell will actually permeate your hair as well. I can

664
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: go into a story from years ago that involved this,

665
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: but and I will at some point in time, not

666
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: in this episode, but just suffice it to say I

667
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: was around this odor to the point with a ton

668
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: of bodies. There were a big accident that had happened,

669
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: and I had to wound up having to shave my

670
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: hair and my mustache and because it was there and

671
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't get rid of the smell. So yeah, the

672
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: fact that people would smell this and it's rather recognizable,

673
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: and it's something that's identifiable very easily. But can I

674
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: back up just for a second, Dave, I got to

675
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: tell you man that image that you painted when Harmony

676
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: was struck. I think that it's important for people to

677
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: understand what I think she was going through at that

678
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: point in time. As she is struck and according to

679
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: what this wife has said, and this is where this

680
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: information is coming from, if she's struck about the head,

681
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: my thought is is that this is blunt force trauma

682
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: that has impacted the brain. Probably something has been ruptured

683
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: or torn, and not just vessels, but maybe the structure

684
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: the brain itself, and what I'm thinking is maybe even

685
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: the lower part of the brain where the brain stem

686
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: is that controls our autonomic functions. Her body was beginning

687
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: to shut down. And how it begins to shut down

688
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: is that our skull obviously is very, very rigid, and

689
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: so if somebody sustains head trauma and they're in a

690
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: clinical setting, one of the things that has been done

691
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: for many years is that you can actually create what

692
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: they refer to as a burhole in the skull and

693
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: you put a monitor. You can drop a monitor into that,

694
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: into that area and keep track of the innercranial pressure

695
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: because the slightest amount of pressure is going to cause

696
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: your brain a non clinical way to put it to malfunction.

697
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: And so what's happening is you're hearing her struggle to breathe.

698
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: Her brain swelled. That's what's happening. Her brain is swelling.

699
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: And if if they had ever had an opportunity to

700
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: see Harmony's body and examine her brain, you would see

701
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: that the brain first off ways more than it should.

702
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: It's highly congested, there might be rips and tears in it.

703
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna have big focal areas of hemorrhage, and that's

704
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: what she went through at that moment. Time. We don't

705
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: know how much previous trauma may have impacted this as well.

706
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 2: It may have been the perverb depend upon how frequently

707
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: he was hitting her. This may have been the proverbial

708
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: straw that broke the camel's back, because the brain is

709
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: so very fragile.

710
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: And he knew enough, Joe, that he went too far

711
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: this time. He knew that, he knew he asked because

712
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 3: he said something right then. I think I really hurt

713
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 3: her this time.

714
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: This time, and you can't you can't unhear that, And

715
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: that's going to echo in my ears, Dave.

716
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: And what bothers me is that we hear that. That's

717
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: what we're told by Caleb Montgomery, the stepmother. And I'm

718
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: thinking just about two years later, two years after he

719
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: does this, when police are asking him about his daughter

720
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: and he's lying, and he has the temerity to say,

721
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: if I'm not under arrest, I'm leaving. I don't have

722
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: to talk to you. And it's like, but two years earlier,

723
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: you killed this innocent five year old girl with your fist,

724
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: and now you know the cops don't know that. They

725
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: probably suspect something bad has happened, but they don't know.

726
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: They're just dude, tell us where your daughter is. Making

727
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: a story that's feasible, We'll believe you. But here's my question, Joe,

728
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: because I wondered, how is it possible if we don't

729
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: have a body, how do you prove a murder? How

730
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: can you say she's missing? How can you say that

731
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: that Harmony Montgomery is dead? Based on To be honest

732
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: with you, we get a lot of our information from

733
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: Cayla Montgomery, Adam Montgomery's wife at the time, who has

734
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: been twice now convicted of perjury on in this case

735
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: two times. Okay, they caught her lying to the grand

736
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: jury twice in this case about Harmony Montgomery. So if

737
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: she's already in jail because she's a liar, and the

738
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: information we have comes from this, how are they going

739
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: to prove? Look, how would you prove that Harmon and

740
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Montgomery was in a bag in the ceiling tiles at

741
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: this halfway house thing? That the home the home between

742
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: the home?

743
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: Are you I think that, Yeah, I think that it's

744
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: going to be It will be an uphill battle for

745
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: the prosecutor. First off, that's going to be the major

746
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: point of contention, and just so that everybody understands, you know,

747
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: Adam Montgomery has been charged with second degree homicide. He's

748
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: not he's his trial is upcoming, and as a result

749
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: of some of the revelations that came out in the

750
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: past few days, I felt like we were compelled to,

751
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, to talk about the case. He's been charged.

752
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: He has not been convicted when he goes to trial,

753
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: though I can and these cases always happen where you're

754
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: absent mortal remains. The defense attorney is going to make

755
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: hay with this. So what are you left with? Well,

756
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: whatever biological samples they have recovered, obviously from the ceiling,

757
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: I think she was her body may have been placed

758
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: in event for a while. And of course we've got

759
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: this this cooler freezer. O.

760
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Hey, let's back up an event. Yeah, they found fingerprints, Joe. Yes,

761
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: the story that Kayla Montgomery told about them putting her

762
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: in the event and having to take her down, take

763
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: her body down, to wrap it up in another bag.

764
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: There were other things done to according to Caleb Montgomery,

765
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: other things done, including including opening that bag in the bathroom,

766
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: maybe dismembering. There were He's alleged. I gotta stay alleged.

767
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: But the forensic people are working on the stories of

768
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: Caleb Montgomery, trying to figure out what happened, knowing they

769
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: take everything with the grain and salt. But as you

770
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: do that, though, Joe, you're looking for real life stuff

771
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: and you find it. You find their fingerprints in the vent,

772
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 3: you find their finger print.

773
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: Yes, you find right, and so let me take you fight.

774
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: You start finding that evidence, doesn't that say, well, then

775
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: let's follow the rest of this.

776
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: Okay. I gotta tell you. You pointed this out because

777
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: we were talking about you were talking about the thoroughness

778
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: of the police department. Not only were Montgomery's and Kala's

779
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: prince found? Who else? Did you say, I want everybody

780
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: to hear this. Who else?

781
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 4: Who?

782
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: What other person found?

783
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out, how are you possibly going to

784
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: convict a man of killing his daughter when you don't

785
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: have the body. It's because they have a story and

786
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: they're verifying the story. So when they got to this

787
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: place they went to they're talking out years later.

788
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: Now years later, you're talking it was two years after

789
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: the fact.

790
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: When they're out there in the event where Caylen Montgomery

791
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: said Adam Montgomery stored his dead baby, his five year

792
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: old daughter in a bag, and so they dusted it

793
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: for prints. They cut out the sheet rock, they cut

794
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: out the vent, and they brought it back to the

795
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: lab and tested. They were able to get every fingerprint

796
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: on there and match them up to either there are

797
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: ten different identifiable rint you know, fingerprints or palm prints.

798
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: And they hit Adam Montgomery. They got it. They got

799
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: all of his fingers, They got Kayla Montgomery, but they

800
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: had one they couldn't identify, and it was a finger

801
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: they could not figure it wasn't Adam and it wasn't Kayla,

802
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: So who is it? They traced it back to the

803
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: guy who did the original sheet work in the building.

804
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: That's how thorough they were that they were able to

805
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: pull down the fact that that that was still there,

806
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: that somebody that actually did the sheet rock, his fingerprint

807
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: was still there.

808
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

809
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: It is And it goes to the pristine nature of

810
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: those prints. That what I mean by that is that

811
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: no one else it can be at least stated or

812
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: there's a probability that no one else had access to

813
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: that area, that it's a protected area. And if and

814
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: we don't know what else may have been found up there.

815
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: But when you think about the pristine nature of this

816
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 2: prince and they've been preserved for all of this time,

817
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: can you imagine what kind of surprise this, this guy

818
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: hanging sheet rock may have had when they go to

819
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: talk to him, or are they reach out to him

820
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: and they say, yeah, your prints have been found and

821
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: we're looking into this case. I think that what this is,

822
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: what this really says, though, is that the police have

823
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: been so very thorough and painstaking with this case, trying

824
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: to collect every bit of information. I want to go

825
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: back to something that you had mentioned just a moment ago, though,

826
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: because look, this is the reality of it. It's what

827
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: we talked about on bodybags. And I'm not going to

828
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: sugarcoat this, but there is evidence that he had gone

829
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: out and had purchased a diamond bladed saw along with lime.

830
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: I think there were a couple of purchases of lime.

831
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: And remember when Harmony's body, according to Kayla, was initially

832
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: covered up, they were using this underarmour bag. Now, if

833
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, she had stated that at some point

834
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: in time, Adam Montgomery went into the bathroom with the body,

835
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: which by this time had been down for a protracted

836
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: period of time. Am I or am I not correct

837
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: in stating that this woman stated that she saw the

838
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: body in the bathroom with him.

839
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: The second time that he was in the bathroom with

840
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: Harmony's body. The first time that he was in there

841
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: six or seven hours. She didn't know what was going on,

842
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: but she heard the water running. It was the second

843
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: time that he was in there with her body. And

844
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: she had been a long time, Joe, And that's why

845
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: I wonder about decomposition. But she said she could still

846
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: recognize that it was Harmony's body.

847
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, and and would be would be recognizable? Uh,

848
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: is hard to hard to fathom it would be. It's

849
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: depend It's depended upon how well the body was preserved

850
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: and if it was in a cool enough environment to

851
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: facilitate this. The one problem with this is that she

852
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: has been migrated around so many times. But back to

853
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: what have may have occurred with her body is that,

854
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: according to what the police believe, her body was actually

855
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: moved into what's referred to as a maternity back. And

856
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: this maternity bag is not if you think about the

857
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: under her bag. If you go to the gym to

858
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: work out you see people that actually I'm not talking

859
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: about a backpack. I'm actually talking about like a gem bag.

860
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: It's robust, it's big, and you could fit a small

861
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: five year old child in that, But how are you

862
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: going to take a much smaller bag and place her

863
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: into that? And I think that that, you know, we

864
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: have to think about, well, if she was dismembered, and

865
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: she was dismembered in that location, if in fact that

866
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: did occur, she could have been placed into a smaller

867
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: back or maybe a couple of other ones in order

868
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: to make her to make her mortal remains more portable.

869
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: I hate to say that, Oh my god, that makes

870
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 2: me sick to my back teeth, but that's what I'm thinking,

871
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: because you have to begin to put yourself into a

872
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: perpetrator's mind, as horrible as that is, to think, how

873
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: can I draw the least amount of tension to myself?

874
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: What do I have to do in order to remove

875
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: this child from this environment and without making much of

876
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: a mess. I'm fascinated by this bathroom, Dave, and how

877
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: extensively it was taken apart, because if a dismemberment took

878
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: part took place in there, it would be rife unless

879
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: it was thoroughly, thoroughly cleaned, it would be rife with

880
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: all kinds of trace evidence and including down at a

881
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: molecular level.

882
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 4: With DNA eight years later.

883
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: I think that possibly. And if you hear water running.

884
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: One of the great the great things about when you're

885
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: processing a scene in a bathroom is that you always

886
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: always should take apart the bathtub and the laboratory sink

887
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: and take those drain traps out. And if you take

888
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: the drain traps out, and trust me, people that work

889
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: in forensics know what they're doing, and people that are

890
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: doing this in a hurry and not paying attention, they

891
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: always miss something. So not just the traps, which is

892
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: the curved part of the pipe that you know, we

893
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: don't see. If you look under your sink you'll see

894
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, a drain trap, but also around

895
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: the ring in the tub tub drain you can also

896
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: find elements in there as well. Yeah, I think that

897
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: it could be a possibility. And look going back, nothing's

898
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: off the table here when you think when you think

899
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: about that, they were able to recover these prints and

900
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: they did such a thorough job with that. But here

901
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: here's where you know we kind of, you know, we

902
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: we Unfortunately we lose harmony at this point because you

903
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 2: know her, her story I think is going to end somewhere,

904
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: probably in Massachusett as far as her remains go, because he,

905
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, he had if I'm not mistaken, he had

906
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: rented a truck. He had rented actually like a van,

907
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: and they have videography, uh, and photos of this truck passing,

908
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 2: you know, passing by CCTV cameras and you can clearly see,

909
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: you can read the plates. I think it was a

910
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: U haul there. And I'll never forget in the back

911
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: windows a truck it says there's a sign in the

912
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: back of the whend it says rent me on this

913
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: this van that had been you know, rented by him.

914
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: And they don't they can't track down exactly where he went.

915
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: But I do have a colleague that believes that there

916
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: is a likelihood he may have wound up in Revere, Massachusetts,

917
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: and may have wound up going to the Saltwater marshes

918
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: there that that speculator. I don't know that that's the case,

919
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: but if that happened, and if he disposed of her

920
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: remains out there, it doesn't matter how many holes you

921
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: dig in the ground, dude, you go to a saltwater marsh.

922
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 2: First off, child harmonies remains all that's left of her

923
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: after these weeks, months of being migrated and moved around.

924
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: Her final resting place was in potentially this dirty, filthy

925
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: saltwater marsh. Now you've got this little girl's body that's

926
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: going to be subjected to this harsh environment, all of

927
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: the animal life that is in there, and also tidal flow.

928
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: And we're talking about this is no you know, you're

929
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: not talking about a pond out on your grandpa's farm.

930
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: We're talking about saltwater or marsh. And so what is

931
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: saltwater marsh lead to? What leads to open ocean. I

932
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: don't know that any remnant will ever be found of harmony,

933
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know if there is enough justice in

934
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: the world for harmony. But I can say this in

935
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: closing today, Adam Montgomery is charged with second degree murder

936
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: in her case. But I can tell you this harmony

937
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: was failed. She was failed by a system, by a

938
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: system that we're all too familiar with, a system that

939
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: turned their back on her, the most defenseless among us,

940
00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: that turned a blind eye, and until that changes until

941
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: punitive measures are taken against these individuals that lose track

942
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: of these children, that don't have a full awareness of

943
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: where they are at all times. This is going to

944
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: happen again and again and again. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan

945
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: and this is Body Pass