1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: never told your protection of I Heart Radio. Okay, before 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: you start, can I just go ahead and interject here, 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: because if you are listening on this day of it 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: being published is August twenty four. I want to say 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the year because it doesn't matter. Which is Annie's birthday, 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, and so it is my birthday, which means 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: I am going to do a very self indulgent rant 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: on the feminism of Star Wars, mostly original trilogy stuff, 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: because that's my favorite and it's my birthday. We've already 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: done episodes on Leah, two parts on My pretty much 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: all the movies, a bunch of the characters, so go 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: to those of you want more facts and less feelings 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: and fond ranting, which is what this is going to 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: be and all. So, I'm like surprisingly nervous about this 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: one because it's like, really, it's so near and dear 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: to me. I know it's a matter of interpretation a 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of what I'm going to talk about, but it 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: is how I interpret these movies, especially as I've grown 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: older and become more aware of feminism. So I've been 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of putting it off and then we have like 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: major technical difficulties. So if this episode sounds kind of strange, apologies, 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: that's just what birthday is as an adult. During Bantomic podcast, 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: I did want to start with a quick note about 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: our recent Mary Sue episode. So as I often say, 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: like when people call Ray and Mary Sue, which was 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: a big thing, um, like why don't we ask whether 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: or not Kyle and Maren is just bad? Because it 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: seems like he's just bad. But I don't wanted to 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: tract from how good Ray is either when I say that, 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: I think both are true at once, because she was 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: thinking about it. This is what I lie awake and 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: think about at night. Uh. She is a scavenger. She 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: grew up in harsh conditions, tough conditions. She knows how 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: to use her staff really well, um, which is kind 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: of similar to a lightsaber. She's got the fours, She's 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: got all these things. So I just don't want to 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: make it sound like I don't think she's she's really good. 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I also think Kyler Wine is bad, but that's just me. 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: And so yeah, because it is my birthday, I have 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Star Wars stuff, and right 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: before this Samantha knows. I had to. I had to 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: put it off before because I was watching two Star 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Wars documentaries at once. I was watching the one on 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Disney plus Light and Magic, which is about how industrial 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: light and Magic got created, and it's not specifically Star Wars, 47 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: but like the first four episodes are mostly Star Wars 48 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: based because they sort of had to make this. The 49 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: special effects and exist, so they sorted had to make it. 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: And then I was also watching Empire Dreams, which is 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: like two hours and thirty minutes. So I feel like 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: my brain, I feel like I've been plugged into something 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: and I've just absorbed a lot of information before this. 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: But it was interesting because the contexts they gave around 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: when these movies were coming out, just like n seven 56 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and you know, we had the Vietnam War, we had Nixon. 57 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: People really disillusioned with what was going on. Um. This 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: is when second wave feminism was happening, and there was 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: a lot of hope for change. There was a lot 60 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: of turmoil around around change, UM, and so a lot 61 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: of movies at the time, especially science fiction movies, were 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of downers, and so Star Wars in a lot 63 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: of ways, when a new Hope came out in ninety seven. 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: It broke a lot of conventions at the time of 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: movie making. It had it was hopeful, it was kind 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: of lighter um it had a big symphony soundtrack, which 67 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I guess was not hip at the time. It's it 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: cast a bunch of unknown actors. It was basically asking 69 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: to create things that didn't exist, Like people had no 70 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: idea how to shoot it. And so when I was 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: watching and I was like, how did this get made? 72 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: So many things had to go right for this to 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: get made, and I didn't know this, but George Lucas 74 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: and his team kind of had a hand in creating Pixar. 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: They sold it to Steve Jobs and Apple, but I 76 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: had no idea. And they did create a special effects 77 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: field that didn't exist before. They created sound that didn't 78 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: exist before. And then this was also when it's kind 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: of ironic now. But George Lucas really didn't want to 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: be beholden to studios. He didn't want them to be 81 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: able to come in and say, no, you have to 82 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: do this, or you have to teach this, you have 83 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: to do this. Um. So so I was kind of 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: independent films actually, which is yes ironic because Disney ended 85 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: up buying the rights to them, but that kind of 86 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: felt sort of feminist in nature. I don't know, like 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's but like that idea. And then 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: there was a funny scene where everything was like, this 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: is mostly white men working on this. And there was 90 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: a funny scene where everything was all schedule, nothing was 91 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: getting done, and they brought in a woman's secretary and 92 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: she basically like got them to to to shaping up, 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: to to be on the schedule and to actually get 94 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: things done. And then like, I really recommend watching them 95 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: because they was like you could see how they did 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: the special effects, it was so cool. And then you 97 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: could see like the Matt paintings they did for the backgrounds, 98 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: and they were so cool. It was just neat to 99 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: see it happen. Uh. And then I didn't know this either. 100 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: I knew Star Wars gets a lot of flak, a 101 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: lot for in some people's minds ruining move. It definitely 102 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: changed Hollywood and it changed the landscape of entertainment. But 103 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that people bring up a lot 104 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: is merchandizing, and Star Wars and George Lucas were like 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the forefront of this of toys movies being made around toys, 106 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: which is kind of what happens sometimes now, But back 107 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: then it wasn't about that. He just wanted to own 108 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: something outside of the studio that he could have and 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: make money off of, and studios like at the time, 110 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: movies didn't make money that way. That wasn't how it 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: was done. Um, But he had an idea that, Okay, 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: I think I can at least control this and get 113 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: money from this outside of the studios. And boy was 114 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: he right, because I recently went home to visit my 115 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: mom for my birthday and she had found me all 116 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: of these like old toys from a friend of hers grandfather, 117 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: like they were thing is him into a new place, 118 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: and in his garage he had all these old Star 119 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Wars toys and one of them is from If I 120 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: had the box and if it was in better condition, 121 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: the Internet tells me he would be worth a four 122 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: team thousand. But I am keeping it. I'm keeping it. 123 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: It is mine, UM, never gonna sell it. Please don't 124 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: come after me for my toys. I'm very very excited 125 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: about it. And I also didn't know I learned from 126 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: watching this documentary that Kinner, who made the company that 127 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: made a lot of the early Star Wars toys. They 128 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: they didn't expect the popularity of it. A lot of 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: companies didn't want to even do it, so they turned 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: down the contracting down, but Kinner did and then it 131 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: was so popular that people kids on Christmas would get 132 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: like this voucher for a year from now, you'll be 133 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: able to get this toy. We don't have it right now, 134 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: but in a year you can get it. So that 135 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of preamble before I've even gotten into 136 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: into the bulk of this, which again is going to 137 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: be shorter, very self indulgent, mostly me. So yeah, I 138 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: just when I've been watching them. I've been watching them 139 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot, as you know, the original trilogy, and I 140 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: feel like the Force itself is pretty feminist in nature 141 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: because it implies that you're you're in touch with your feelings, 142 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: you're being empathetic. A lot of these sort of more 143 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: emotional end quotes being in touch with your emotions that 144 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: I think has been traditionally put on women, um, kind 145 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: of a more associated with women trait. So you've got 146 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: that throughout the movies and these messages of you know, 147 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: being in touch with your emotions, but also being able 148 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: to control and go your emotion and not let them 149 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: control you. But if you think about the dark side, Um, 150 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: the dark side, I would argue, is kind of toxic masculinity. 151 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people when they describe the dark side, 152 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult to describe it, but a lot 153 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: of people describe it as a drug. And if we 154 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: think about, you know, toxic masculinity being this thing that's 155 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: being pumped into our society from the moment we're born, 156 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: that we're just kind of immersed with it and not 157 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: know it. Are like the patriarchy perhaps, um, then I 158 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: can see the dark side being representative of of that. 159 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: And it's this promise of power and yeah, a promise 160 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: of power and kind of a promise that you won't 161 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: It's a very possessive thing. So I know, we talked 162 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: about this briefly in one of our past happy hours 163 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: about the whole uproar around like attachment and Jedi possessive 164 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: love is a key is a testament of the dark side. 165 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: It's the love you're so afraid to lose that you 166 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: would do anything to keep it, even if it means 167 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: killing all of these young things which is what Anakin 168 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: did to try to save his family and in doing 169 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: so actually ripped his family apart and potentially led to 170 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: the death of pat Me, his wife. Like it always 171 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: makes me sigh when I have to talk, when I 172 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: have to talk, when I talk about I want to 173 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: talk about it. But the so the thing with attachment 174 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: as it was originally intended, and I think it has 175 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: shifted around as other creators have come in and done things, 176 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: uh and put their own mark on the story. Originally 177 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: it was meant to be attachment. It's not the problem. 178 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: It's like possessive attachment. You have to be able to 179 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: let go of the attachment, and the dark side is 180 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: you can't let go usually because you're too afraid to. So, 181 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I got to talk about Luke because I 182 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: love him, um. And again we've already done two episodes 183 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: on my so please check those out, and we are 184 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: going to mention her because I can't not mention her. Um. 185 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting how Luke in particular 186 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: interacts with the Force because you've got Obi Wan and 187 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: Yoda telling him he has to confront his father, Darth 188 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Vader to become a Jedi, to become this thing that 189 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: he wants to be, and I would say mostly wants 190 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: to be because of his father, and Luke saying that 191 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: he can't do it um because he is so strongly 192 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: in the belief that he can feel I feel that 193 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: there is still good in Darth Vader, which again I 194 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: just think is such a how many times I've women 195 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,479 Speaker 1: been this smissed because of feelings or because of emotions, 196 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: were being emotional, but this was a really for me. 197 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: It was a powerful thing for him to say, like, no, 198 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: I can feel this, and I'm not going to to 199 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: betray that feeling or like go with that feeling. And 200 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: that's you know, when pad May died, that was the 201 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: last thing she said, like there's still good in him. 202 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: I can feel it. And so after Luke turns himself 203 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: over to Vader, who then turns him over to the Emperor, 204 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: which is, by the way, one of my favorite lines 205 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: is when Luke says, come with me, I love that um. Anyway, 206 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: the Emperor is urging Luke to embrace his anger given 207 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: to his aggression and kill his father and take his 208 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: father's place, and violence and anger are stereotypically masculine traits 209 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: are more masculine associated and so when Luke does that, 210 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: when he does give into that, he almost loses himself 211 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: to the dark side and continues this cycle of violence. 212 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Cuts off his father's hand where his father had cut 213 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: off his hand before him, And in my opinion, his 214 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: act of heroism is throwing away his weapon, which is 215 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: a very phallic weapon, by the way, and refusing to fight, 216 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: to let not to let those things control him um 217 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: and embracing those more feminine coded traits. And this act 218 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: that he does brings out the empathy and love and 219 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Darth Vader and breaks the cycle. Luke also rejects the 220 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: old Jedi order as well as the Empire, much like 221 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: feminism demands systemic change. And I don't we're not talking 222 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: about sequel because it's my birthday. They don't want to. 223 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: But in the in the original trilogy, if we kind 224 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: of have that ending, and I'd like to believe that 225 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: that's when it was. But yeah, just rejecting that offer 226 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: of power, of feeling like you can protect, that you 227 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: can control things that are ultimately out of your control 228 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: because you're so powerful. Throwing away the lightsaber, throwing away 229 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: the weapon, UM. I've just always felt was sort of 230 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: a tacit rejection of the patriarchy, toxic masculinity. Again, I 231 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: could be reading into these where it's not meant to 232 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: be written to, but I'm going to do it because 233 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: I love it. And then there is the aspect of 234 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: forgiveness and family, which uh certainly at the heart of 235 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: this original trilogy, and I think does have some aspects 236 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: that I feel anyway are are more leaning towards women, 237 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: um are being a like feminine coded trait, because as 238 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: we've discussed, forgiveness is tricky. Um it's often associated with women. 239 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Women are more expected to forgive. And so when you 240 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: have O. B One saying like, oh he has already 241 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: one after Luke says he can't kill his own father, 242 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: it kind of reads differently when you know what we 243 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: wanted to anakin as do a lot of things. Once 244 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: the prequels come out, of the sequels come out, um, 245 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: it can change your your interpretation for sure, But it 246 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: does kind of feel manipulative. And I think a lot 247 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: of ways that some of us have felt manipulated into 248 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: these interactions of how things are supposed to be. And 249 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: I also think like the whole story of Luke wanting 250 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: always looking towards the horizon and thinking about his father 251 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: and wanting to be like his father, and then meets 252 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: finds out the truth, meets him and it's like the 253 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: ultimate disappointment, I mean the ultimate disappointment, um, which kind 254 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: of threatens like a part of who he thinks, who 255 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Luke thinks he is, and what he could be. Uh. 256 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: And then you get Darth Vader threatening Leah, who is 257 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: Luke's last remaining family, and that's what sets him off 258 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: into almost giving into the dark side. It's that kind 259 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: of similar fear around around the people you care about. 260 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: It's also really sad, Like this is probably a different podcast, 261 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: but Vader's story is quite tragic. I know he did 262 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: a terrible things. I'm not forgetting that, but he like 263 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: it is kind of sad that the Emperor was like, yeah, 264 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: just kill that guy who's been my right hand since 265 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: forever and you will replace him. When all Vader wanted 266 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: was his family. That's what started this whole thing. He 267 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: just wanted his family, UM. And I mean there's a 268 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: bunch of other things. There's like trauma for sure, UM 269 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: and grooming, and he just really needed he needed some help. Um. 270 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: But he really wanted family. Uh, and he'll never I'll 271 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: never see his son's smile or hear him laugh or 272 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: know him saying with Leah, his daughter, Um, and their 273 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: relationship is characterized by fear and pain and sadness and loss. 274 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: But at the end it's hope. I mean, there's still hope. 275 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: And I know, like probably a lot of you saw this, 276 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: but recently this picture did the rounds where Um, it 277 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: was after the Canoe Show came out and Hayden Christensen 278 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: was with the actors. He's like hugging the actors who 279 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: play Luke and Little Luke and Leah and the show, 280 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: and everybody was like, Oh, that's the only time he's 281 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: gonna it was so oh, it was so sad um. 282 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: And then this this again might be my own interpretation, 283 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: but even as a kid, I always kind of felt 284 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: like Luke's change and demeanor from Empire strikes back to 285 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: Return of the Jedi. It always made me sad because 286 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: it feels like Luke's trying to be something he's not, 287 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Like he's trying to force himself to be this certain 288 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: way to play this role, which is also something I 289 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of women feel. Um. But like he 290 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: can't show emotion all of these things. He feels like 291 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: he can't do that. I thought made him special when 292 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: I was younger, because I would like watch it and 293 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I the things I loved about him, or you know, 294 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: he was so genuine, He wore as hard on his sleeve. 295 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: He was so kind and gentle, and he's still those things. 296 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: But like it just felt um, like he was trying 297 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: so hard, Like he was so scared of Darth Vader 298 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: and becoming Darth Vader. He was grieving the loss of 299 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: his father figure that he'd wanted his whole life. Um, 300 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: And he finds out, you know, this person stands against 301 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: everything that does, has committed truly attrocious crimes um, some 302 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: against his closest friends. They're on opposite sides of the war. 303 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: Um and cut off his hand. You know that that 304 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: fear of what he could be, of what Darth Vader is, 305 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: led him into really cutting off his emotions and becoming 306 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: closed off of being this Jedi he believes he needs 307 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: to be, which I would argue he was at the 308 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: end perfect, Like he was someone who was compassionate and 309 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: caring and all of these things. Um. But there's also 310 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: a morning element too, you know, you got all the 311 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: black clothes, which are of course reminiscent of Vader. But 312 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: also yeah, so so that's suggestive of you know, Okay, 313 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: this could happen to Luke. It was definitely meant to 314 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: make you think, oh, he could become like Darth Vader 315 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: when it first came out, but also this loss of 316 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, who he thought his father was, of this 317 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: innocence that he had had, and of course, you know, 318 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: it's also coming of age story and in a way 319 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: this control that he's exhibiting, and which in The Jedi, 320 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was meant to be interpreted as like, 321 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: oh um, he grew up. He's not so whiny anymore. 322 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's what it was meant to be. 323 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: But when I was watching it as a kid, it 324 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: always made me feel sad because he had he had 325 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: this sort of brightness to him, and then it was 326 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: like he felt he had to hide it. But yeah, 327 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: I guess in some ways there's always something sad about 328 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: letting go of childhood and becoming an adult. But yeah, 329 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: that's in the end. I've always loved the ending he 330 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: returned the Jedi because in the end, Darth Vader and 331 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Luke choose each other. Um. And when Luke does this, 332 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: throws away his weapon his father. He chooses his father 333 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: and family over power, over this temptation of the dark side. 334 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: It's something that the Emperor cannot understand, so he is 335 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: surprised when Vader returns the selfless Act, the selfless Act 336 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: and saves Luke. Uh. And just that like having faith, 337 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: having faith in each other. So yeah, I mean, clearly 338 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: I've been talking about it already, but I do think 339 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: that lucas a nontraditional hero, and that was one of 340 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: the things I loved about him, still love about him. 341 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: I think he was a really good balance of traditionally 342 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: like typically masculine coded traits and feminine coded traits in 343 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: a way that doesn't feel I would almost say like 344 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: we're allotting the the more feminine coded traits over the 345 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: masculine ones, because he's sort of like reckless and hot 346 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: headed and all this stuff that I would say is 347 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: typically more masculine, not always though not always. Um, But 348 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: the things that I at least was always like, oh 349 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, this is so great is that he does have. 350 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of really empathetic kindness, about him. This is 351 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: sounding so like man can't be that. They can obviously, 352 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: but but it's just I feel like in our media, 353 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: the way those things play out is like that, Um, 354 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: he's got you know, he does wear his heart on 355 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: his sleeve. A lot of people have made connections between Physically, 356 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: he's not your traditional hero or at least in our 357 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: more modern times. Like he's pretty, He's on the smaller side. 358 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: He is kind of pretty. He's got a bit of 359 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: ire voice. Um, I'm always struck by how small he 360 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: is compared to to Darth Vader at the end. Um 361 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: and then his fashion, Oh my gosh, I found this 362 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: whole corner of the internet was like Luke Skywalker gay 363 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: fashion icon and it's the best and I highly recommenzed. 364 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: It's a lot of good memes. The channel boots, Shutel, yes, 365 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: I know you've shown me. You've shown me a few times, 366 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: as well as yelling to the screen the Chanel boots 367 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not even putting that justice. There's no other 368 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: reference but the Chanel boots. But as much as I 369 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: love that, there is the question of you know, clearly 370 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: they intended Luke, and in my opinion, it clearly intended 371 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: Luke and Lead to end up together before they knew, 372 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: before the story changed and they became brother and sister. 373 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: So that's why we get kind of some of those 374 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: more awkward moments of between them and the earlier ones. 375 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: But for me, they always just had it. They had 376 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: a chemistry that was like run their and sister. That 377 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: could also be because I don't know a time before 378 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it, so I just never I was always like, no, 379 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: their brother and sister. Um. And it does make sense 380 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: to me you would feel through the force a connection 381 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: to someone immediately if they were your long astwin uh, 382 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: and you might not know what that is and you 383 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: might misinterpret that as attraction. But also, you know, I 384 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: think in a New Hope, Luke was definitely trying to 385 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: play the role of hero and failing pretty good. So 386 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: he thought that was like the things the hero goes 387 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: and rescues the damsel distress, and it turns out, Leia, 388 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't really need him, and in fact, it's going 389 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: to take control of this whole situation for you, which 390 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: I love, which I love, but um, it has brought 391 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: up that, like you know, I personally always loved that 392 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: there was not a really big romance for for Luke 393 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: in these movies, and even like Han and Leiah is there, 394 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: but it's not too much. Um. But the way people 395 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: have interpreted it can sometimes be problematic because it's like 396 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: automatically he's coded as gay or even a lot of 397 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: people a sexual, which again is fine, Like I don't 398 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: think there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but it's almost 399 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: I just wonder if there's some element of he can't 400 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: possibly be the romantic interests leading man because he does 401 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: have these qualities that are more associated perhaps with women. UM, 402 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: but that could just be me. Also, interestingly, I was 403 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: just talking about this with somebody that a day. I 404 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: do think the character of Han solo the way people 405 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: received him changed how they wrote him, if that makes sense, 406 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: because I think, um, you know, he was sort of 407 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: the bad boy, doesn't like to care, it's not cool 408 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: to care, which seemed to really resonate with um A 409 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of men who want to be him, but also 410 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: a lot of women, um who want to date him. 411 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't hurt that he was handsome, but 412 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: but like that whole bad boy aspect, I would love 413 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: to come back, come back to that, but that's one 414 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: of the reasons. I think that scene you know who 415 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: shot first greeno Han who shot only has changed so much. 416 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: And also yea, as our friend Holly Fry has said 417 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: to me before, she thinks like Han solo might have 418 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: ruined the whole generation. And then I know, I said, 419 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to talk about those equals because it's 420 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: my birthday, but I did want to briefly mention like 421 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: you Grumpy Luke and the sequels. I think you could 422 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: read it as like the ultimate burnout one but too 423 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of being tired in the feminist movement, fighting the 424 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: fight and then seeing all this stuff happen and giving 425 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: up or hiding away, and then Ray coming in and 426 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: being like the next wave of feminism. Um, And I know, 427 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I have to mention it. We did a 428 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: whole two party episode on Leiah, but it is worth 429 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: mentioning her again because she is amazing and I love her. 430 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: I love her. I know there was a lot of 431 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: stuff around filming with her that wasn't great, and we 432 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: talked about that in those two part episodes. I go 433 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: check those out, But I like, as a kid, I 434 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't have there weren't that any characters like her, and 435 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: I just remember respecting her immediately, like she is in charge. 436 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: I loved her. I think she changed my life. I 437 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: don't know if I hadn't had her, I don't know. 438 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, so just she fills me with morength 439 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: and gratitude. To be honest, I do love the dichotomy 440 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: of Luke and Leia. I know a lot of people 441 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: don't like that they turned out to be twins, and 442 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I will say that probably I don't think everyone had 443 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: to follow their lead. But the whole idea of like, well, 444 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: now everybody has to be connected to somebody related to 445 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: somebody has seeped into so much of our entertainment and 446 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way, and in fact, 447 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: it can be very annoying, but in this case, I 448 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: did like, I do love the dichotomy of their experiences. Uh. 449 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: In fan fiction, they're known as the Chaos Twins, and 450 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: Luke is often kind of described as like he looks 451 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: like Anakin is but it's more like pad May and demeanor, 452 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: whereas Leia it looks like pad May but is more 453 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: like Anakin in demeanor. And they're both they're both like 454 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: both with their parents, and I know alas the diplomat Um, 455 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: but she's definitely in fan fiction she's called like the 456 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: Firecracker and should be so annoyed to know she's more 457 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: like Anakin than pad May. But this is all also 458 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: up for interpretation because Luke has often depicted as like, 459 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: oh look, leta look at this flower, and she's like, 460 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: IM gonna go to wire. Couldn't don't bother me? But 461 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: I didn't write that. I really enjoy and uh yeah, 462 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: I think that's my saddest. I love reading stories and 463 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: fan fiction where one their twin swapped. So Luke goes 464 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: to alter On becomes Prince of alter On, and she 465 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: Lea goes to Tattooed becomes a Jedi. But I also 466 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: just love That's the thing that is sad to me 467 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: is that we never got to see them kind of 468 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: discovering their sibling relationship and how that plays out. And 469 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: so that's one of my absolute favorite pantictions to read 470 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: is them. Okay, well, thank you so much for letting 471 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: me have this ranch on my birthday. And I'm sure 472 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I have so much stuff that there might be a 473 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: bit of a mess or that I'll have I will 474 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: I'll want to add later I'll be lying awake tonight 475 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: thinking about it because I don't worry. I didn't write 476 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: this one out as much as I normally do. I'm 477 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: sure I will come back in the future, but I 478 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: hope it was enjoyable with my gushing fangirl gushing and 479 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: I love it. The one thing I did request after 480 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: knowing that we were doing this, I was like, Okay, 481 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: have we truly done? And like a quiz because we 482 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: love to do our little quizzes on things about what 483 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: woman character from the Star Wars world we would do 484 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: would be be So I need you to take this 485 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: quiz if you haven't already, and then tell me who 486 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: you are, and then I'll tell you who I am. 487 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: Let's take this quiz. This is gonna happen in real 488 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: time because I haven't taken it yet, so I don't know. 489 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: But if I get someone I really don't like, it's 490 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: mostly the deudes I don't like it. Here we go go. 491 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: So if listeners you want to take the quiz with us, 492 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: we did the Star Wars dot com uh International Women's 493 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: Day Quiz, so it is specifically from Star Wars. Whether 494 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: you think that's good or not. But I was trying 495 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: to be a little more legitimate in our quizzes. Who 496 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: are you? What did it say? Oh? I got um Oh, 497 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure. I don't pronounce this. I got 498 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: infas nest. Who is that? So she's in Um, she's 499 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: in Solo, which is the only movie we haven't done, 500 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: and we'll have to come back and do it because 501 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: I know you like that one. She's the at the 502 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: end with the wild red hair who kind of takes control, 503 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: um of the whole situation. Yeah. So it says you 504 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: keep your true self hidden beneath a mask, but in 505 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: time of those who tries to get to know who 506 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: you really are, a person who is trying to help 507 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: those in need. Oh dang better they went real deep. Um, 508 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: well I was said that I'm ray all right. Yeah, 509 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: you don't need anyone to hold your hand with or 510 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: without the force as your ally. You are truly a 511 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with. Very interesting answers. What is 512 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: your reaction? Are you disappointed or not? Layah? This is 513 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: going to sound kind of silly, but I'm like, I 514 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm cool enough to be like Okay, Well, 515 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: thank you so much again for going on this journey 516 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: with me. Well, happy birthday. I'm glad we need to 517 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: talk about it, and sorry for any technical difficulties that 518 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: have come up. Hopefully it's all good and I rest assured. 519 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll revisit some of these things later. Are 520 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: are be terrified? I'm not sure which? Uh? In the meantime, 521 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: if you would like to email us that you can 522 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: or email Stuff Media mom Stuff at i heeart media 523 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at mom 524 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: stff podcast or Instagram at stuff I Never Told You. 525 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina. Thank you, Christina, 526 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening Stuff and Never Told 527 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: his production of I Heart Radio. 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