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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody, It's the j n V. Charlamagne, the gud

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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 2: in the building from Queens Steven A.

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Speaker 1: Smith. Ladies and gentlemen, Let's go. How you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm good man, how y'all doing Man's Black and Holly

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Speaker 3: favorite the Cowboys and three and one Man you know.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy it, purchases tickets say that's the only thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: I got love for Charlamagne, But my god, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't understand it. Man, Dallas Cowboys like

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Speaker 1: a virus. Man. I mean, you just can't get rid

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Speaker 1: of him. I mean, everywhere you go you see Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys fence. I do not understand it. But you know

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Speaker 1: they got a damn good team this year for their

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Speaker 1: defense as elite their office. But it's still gonna come

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Speaker 1: down to deck. You know.

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Speaker 3: You know that, right, you know that. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be that moment. And I just want to get

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Speaker 3: because I want to look out for you, because y'all important,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And I don't want you

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Speaker 3: to just get into a state of depression. You know,

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Speaker 3: your yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, your enthusiasm just elevates, and

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Speaker 3: then that moment arrives and Dak's gotta come through and

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Speaker 3: it ain't.

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Speaker 4: I agree with everything you say about Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 3: I think your assessment at Dak Prescott on first take

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Speaker 3: is absolutely spot.

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Speaker 1: I've never said he's a scrub. I never said he

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Speaker 1: can't play. What I said is that it's about moments,

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Speaker 1: and every time there's a big moment, he has not

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Speaker 1: shown up. It's just that simple, and so he's got

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Speaker 1: to do it. You know, think about this, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you got a cat like Brock Purty, mister irrelevant, last

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft, and all this other stuff. He's

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Speaker 1: considered a better quarterback than Dak Prescott and Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: he was just in the Super Bowl. He's considered a

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Speaker 1: better quarterback than Dak Prescott. Jared Golf, he's been bawling

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Speaker 1: for the Detroit Lions. He's considered a better quarterback than

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. And so when you I was at the

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Speaker 1: Aero Spence Terrence Crawford fight, you know, by the way,

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Speaker 1: an annihilation. I did not expect I picked Crawford to

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Speaker 1: win that fight, but I ain't know it was gonna

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Speaker 1: be like that, but I gotta tell you, I'm at

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Speaker 1: the fight and a whole bunch of Dallas cowboy fans.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to Dallas Cowboys. They're there and supremely confident

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Speaker 1: in their defense. And then when you asked him about

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and we believe in him, Steve, y'all know

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Speaker 1: the difference. Y'all know the difference.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know you know that that let that

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Speaker 3: little extra hesitation to stutter in there like.

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Speaker 1: Damn Yeah, They're like, we know what we gonna do.

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Speaker 1: We hope he's gonna do it well.

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Speaker 3: I hope the defense in the running game can over

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Speaker 3: compensate for the flaws that that has.

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Speaker 1: Well. Listen, zekiell Leeller is not there anymore. Tony Polla's

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Speaker 1: that dude. He can ball, But can he be that

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Speaker 1: bell cow that can carry the ball as much as

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Speaker 1: they like him too, I don't know that to be

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Speaker 1: the case. Ceedee, Lampkin ball brand, the Cooks can ball.

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Speaker 1: We got that gallop and ball. Dalton Schultzer's gone now

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Speaker 1: as your tight end. That was his security blanket. You

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Speaker 1: don't have that now. And so what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the setup comes. This is where

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you out here. See what happens is

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Speaker 1: is that they in the past was just trying to

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Speaker 1: put up points, averaging more than twenty five game twenty

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Speaker 1: nine game, rather killing more than office coordinated at the time.

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Speaker 1: He's now the Chargers. Okay, we're gonna put up points.

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Speaker 1: What they decided to do now is run the ball,

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Speaker 1: take the ball out of his hands, be a bit

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Speaker 1: more conservative, you know, spell for the defense, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Against the better teams, it's gonna still come

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Speaker 1: down to him. And now he'll be throwing the ball less.

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Speaker 1: So as a result, it's gonna be a bit foreign

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Speaker 1: into him because the defense is gonna put you in

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Speaker 1: a position where you got a comfortable lead most times,

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Speaker 1: and you ain't under that pressure. And then when the

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Speaker 1: pressure mounts, what you're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait till we beat the forty nine of

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Speaker 4: this weekend.

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Speaker 3: So that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. I

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Speaker 3: predicted you're gonna lose. I'm predicting that's gonna throw two interceptions. Dang,

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Speaker 3: I gotta bet with Shannon, and you're gonna throw two interceptions, damn.

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Speaker 4: So who's your Super Bowl picking? While you're at the.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys, I think, well, first, ain't gonna be. Ain't gonna

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Speaker 3: get the Cowboys. Ain't gonna be.

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Speaker 1: He keep trying, he keep trying. I had the Eagles

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. I still believe in them,

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Speaker 1: but I just think that San Francisco. The more I

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Speaker 1: look at San Francisco, Remember it was in the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game. They didn't have a quarterback. It's never happened

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Speaker 1: in NFL his if all four quarterbacks got hurt, and

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Speaker 1: so because they didn't have a quarterback, they literally got

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Speaker 1: to a point after brock Perty went down in the

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Speaker 1: back and went down, Christian McCaffrey had to line up

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Speaker 1: behind center. They didn't have a quarterback. So it was

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Speaker 1: a four gone conclusion that the Eagles gonna win that game.

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Speaker 1: They were going to the super Bowl once that happened. Well,

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Speaker 1: this year they motivated, and you got a yuk and

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Speaker 1: you got de Bow, and you got Kittles, and this boy,

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey could be the league MVP. Right now. The

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Speaker 1: brother is bawling and party is leading everybody in QBR

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Speaker 1: and the defense is top three. And so when you

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Speaker 1: look at it right now, I would have to say,

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Speaker 1: in all honesty, San Francisco is the favorite. And then

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Speaker 1: when you look at the AFC, it's up for grabs.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I was like, yo, man, I ain't

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Speaker 1: seeing an offense like this in Miami since the days

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Speaker 1: of Dan Dan Fouts. With Charlie joining Kellen Winslow Senior,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Munsey and these brothers, I'm like, this is something special.

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Speaker 1: And then they go to Buffalo and get bum rushed,

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Speaker 1: beat the hell down, and I'm like, well, damn, there

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Speaker 1: goes dadd And then you got Kansas City. Patrick Mahone

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Speaker 1: is still that dude. Kelsey is still that dude. But

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Speaker 1: their receivers can't get open. But they got Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: Now I know that that helps. That helps, that damn

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Speaker 1: sure helps, but not on the football field's popularity. But

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Speaker 1: now in the football now is that affecting the game now?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, we watched the game this past weekend

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Speaker 1: and it must have shown Tailor Swift nineteen times. I know,

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Speaker 1: but but listen, listen, it's it's overkilled. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: you even hear Kelsey speaking out against it.

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Speaker 3: But let's be real about first of all, his fault.

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Speaker 3: We didn't know his interest in Kelsey and tell the

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Speaker 3: Swift until he told us.

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Speaker 1: Well nobody mind. You know we we thought he was

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Speaker 1: with the extra cry out like we didn't know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but Taylor Swift, I mean, that's six billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: the latest concert, you know, concert tour. Damn it. I

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Speaker 1: went to the concert you went to Tailor sw con Man.

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Speaker 1: My daughter's made me take him.

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Speaker 4: Man, you know what I'm saying, The greatest show you

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Speaker 4: saw on your life. Now.

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Speaker 1: I said it was a great show I had ever

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Speaker 1: been to. Now, I'm a Beyonce fan all day, every day.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of them compare the Heart, but

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Speaker 1: I've never been to her concert. I went to Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift concert, yo, Man, at sofar Stay in La. She

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Speaker 1: brought the house down, and I mean, these little girls

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Speaker 1: I've never seen. I haven't seen anything like this since

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I mean there was a in between songs.

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Speaker 1: What I mean by that is in between songs. They

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Speaker 1: gave her a nine minute standing ovation non stop. They

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Speaker 1: was screaming. They wouldn't let us sing the next song.

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Speaker 1: These little teenage girls, and I mean every one of

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Speaker 1: them knew every line of every song. They were singing

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Speaker 1: it with her. They were crying and screaming. I saw

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Speaker 1: people in the audience fainting. I saw mamas and poppers.

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Speaker 3: Like jamming and the kids are like, this is embarrassing

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Speaker 3: that you are enjoying this morning me.

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Speaker 1: I mean I saw it all. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I was like, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: into her music or anything like that, but she put

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Speaker 1: on a hell of a show. Bro three and a

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Speaker 1: half hours, no intermission. Wow, three and a half hours,

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Speaker 1: no intermission, two thousand dollars a pop. And it was

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Speaker 1: worth it, really and it was worth it.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to know Steven Nate Smith,

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Speaker 4: I no damn tailor that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I gotta ask about Damian lilland what was

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Speaker 2: your thought with him going to the box?

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's my brother. Got a lot of

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Speaker 1: love for him. He's a superstar in this league. I

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Speaker 1: think if it were not for Steph Curry, we'd be

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Speaker 1: talking about him as the best in the game at

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Speaker 1: that position. Having said all of that, I think that

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Speaker 1: it act. It elevated Milwaukee, no doubt about it, because

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Speaker 1: Joannis ain't had no weapon like that. I think what

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Speaker 1: you gotta look at what Damian Lillard is him being

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Speaker 1: ball up to Janni's. He's the Greek freak. He coming

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Speaker 1: at you, pushing you downhill. How you gonna stop this locomotive? Well,

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Speaker 1: how you stopped the come playoff time? As you suffocate

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Speaker 1: the pink, you dare him to shoot a perimeter shot.

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Speaker 1: If he gets to the hole, he gonna get his

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Speaker 1: thirty You know that he's gonna get his thirteen rebounds.

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Speaker 1: But when it really really counts, is he gonna make

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Speaker 1: those rethrows? You don't know that. So it's limitations and

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Speaker 1: you got confidence. Now you've done brought in a closer.

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Speaker 1: You've done brought in a brother that has sent people

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Speaker 1: home and waved goodbye to them while doing it. The

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Speaker 1: Paul Georgie's, the James Hardens, the Dwight Howard's, the Russell

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Speaker 1: Westbrooks of the world. Ask them Damien Littler had sent

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Speaker 1: them home and waved goodbye to them while doing it.

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Speaker 1: This is what he does and so it's elite. But

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Speaker 1: what I said to everybody at the time is let's

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Speaker 1: not rule out Boston. And this was before they got Jollity.

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Speaker 1: I said, Yo, that's a big ure. I don't like

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Speaker 1: the fact that they lost Marcus Smart. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that brother something special, and I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna help Memphis immensely. But make no mistake, you get

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Speaker 1: a seven foot three dude and Chris STAPs forward zingers

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Speaker 1: who can block shots, who can hit the three, who

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Speaker 1: just finished averaging twenty three twenty four game. He ain't

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Speaker 1: no number one option. He's not the ideal second option.

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Speaker 1: But in Boston, well that's Taston Tatum and Jalen Brown

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Speaker 1: and so you talking about a third option there. And

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Speaker 1: so that made them formidable to begin with. But then

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Speaker 1: when you turn around and you take that piece, and

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Speaker 1: then you add Drew Holliday to that, I don't like

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Speaker 1: the fact that they lost Malcolm Brock. Then I don't

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Speaker 1: like the fact that Marcus Martin's going. But if you

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Speaker 1: got Drew Holliday and Derek White as your back court,

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Speaker 1: and you have Brown and Tatum and Arford as your

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Speaker 1: front court, and on top of it, or all porzingis okay,

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Speaker 1: and you got Derek White coming off the bench because

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Speaker 1: you got Jalen at the two, and you're gonna use

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum at the three. I'm looking at them and

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's Sam crue Fellers that took Milwaukee a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago when they were down three two,

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Speaker 1: when Jason Tatum rolled up then there for a game

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. We talked about this when it

428
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Speaker 1: was me my book or various other interviews, both for

429
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Speaker 1: y'all have done with me. Man, I know what it's

430
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 1: like to be out in that streets and be unemployed

431
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Speaker 1: and for them to be writing your epitaph and all

432
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Speaker 1: of that other stuff. And I was like, there wasn't somebody,

433
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a brother in Stephen Ay's position to help me.

434
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Speaker 1: But I'm in that position, and so I called them

435
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 1: up and I said, Yo, what you want to do

436
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Speaker 1: And he's like, Yo, man, you know if you know,

437
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Speaker 1: if you have me, I said, he said, I said, yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: I want you Hell yeah, absolutely.

439
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Speaker 3: He's working in a non compete, he said, what I

440
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Speaker 3: thought he was gonna be in a non competer?

441
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Speaker 1: Well, well, listen, when they let you go, they let

442
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Speaker 1: you go. I mean like, if you leave, that's when

443
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Speaker 1: a non compete kicks in.

444
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Speaker 3: But when they let you go, and that's why I

445
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 3: was like, I'm sitting there when people arguing they talk

446
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: about listen, I'm not trying to tell their business that's

447
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 3: their shop.

448
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: I got my shop. But at the end of the day,

449
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Speaker 1: it's like, yo, y'all, he's here. What the hell do

450
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: you think happened? You know what I'm saying? Because if

451
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Speaker 1: he left of his own volition, he would not have

452
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Speaker 1: been able to be at the competition. So it's just

453
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Speaker 1: just just pay attention to the logic of it all.

454
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Speaker 1: He was available because they let him go, and so

455
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Speaker 1: they let him go to him. To me, that was

456
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Speaker 1: their loss is my gain, and I'm gonna always gods

457
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Speaker 1: know what my approach is. I know what I'm talking

458
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Speaker 1: about as a reporter and pundit that covered the sport.

459
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: I didn't do what you do, so yeah, look at me.

460
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: Is described as walking into the locker room telling you

461
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Speaker 1: what I saw, what I think I saw, nudging you,

462
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Speaker 1: even antagonizing you from tom to time, trying to make

463
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Speaker 1: sure you understand.

464
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get to the bottom of the situation.

465
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Speaker 3: Just like when y'all interview folks, y'all do the same thing.

466
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Speaker 1: It's your job as that expert to say, nah, it

467
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Speaker 1: ain't what happened. Here's what happened, right, And I know

468
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Speaker 1: at that moment in terms of doing television, when it's

469
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Speaker 1: time to debate and when it's time to step the

470
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Speaker 1: hell back in mere forth. And that's what all of them.

471
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Speaker 1: Ryan Clark is sensational, knows his football, Shannon Shannon's sharp,

472
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Speaker 1: knows his damn football. Y'all. I'm just telling you right now,

473
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Speaker 1: Dan Olowski, all of these cats know it. I'm arguing

474
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Speaker 1: with mad Dog Russo that's different. We're both describes, we're

475
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Speaker 1: both pundits. We've been doing that for our careers. But

476
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Speaker 1: when you are sitting across from players, you got to

477
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Speaker 1: have that respect where they know that you know who

478
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Speaker 1: they are compared to you in terms of their athletic

479
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: knowledge about what's actually happened on that field or core

480
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Speaker 1: to play in the locker room. When you see me

481
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Speaker 1: butting heads with an athlete, it's because I'm saying, you

482
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Speaker 1: ain't giving it to me. There's more than this. Tell

483
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Speaker 1: me what it is. You see what I'm saying, because

484
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Speaker 1: you know.

485
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Speaker 3: And so when you're trying to give an answer, and

486
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Speaker 3: not only that, I'm going to your contemporaries. So if

487
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Speaker 3: you play for the Knicks, and you play for the

488
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Speaker 3: Knicks and somebody else plays for the Knicks, if I'm

489
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Speaker 3: debating you, it's not because I think I know something

490
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Speaker 3: you don't. It's because somebody else told me who knows

491
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Speaker 3: what you know? And I happen to believe you holding

492
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Speaker 3: out on me because I've heard otherwise.

493
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Speaker 1: And that's where you go at it. But what you

494
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Speaker 1: don't do is talk to them like you know what

495
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Speaker 1: they don't as players, No, you don't.

496
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Speaker 3: But they got to be able to communicate that that's right.

497
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Speaker 3: He can't do it, that's right, Ryan can do it.

498
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Speaker 1: That's correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: Everybody can't get on that. Mic I whant to communicate.

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Speaker 1: That's correct you, but you have to be compassionate enough

501
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: to know the difference. Like some cats, they just don't

502
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Speaker 1: have the ability to articulate. And so when you know that,

503
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: it's like how cruel you're gonna be. It's like I'm

504
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Speaker 1: talking to somebody and every other word out of your

505
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Speaker 1: mouth that you know what I'm saying, Well, no, I

506
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: don't know you because you ain't say shit, so I

507
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying. But my point is you

508
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Speaker 1: got to have some level of compassion where you know,

509
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Speaker 1: all right, I can peel this out of them, but

510
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Speaker 1: this person don't have that ability to articulate it. I'm

511
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: not gonna sit up there and just bring it down

512
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Speaker 1: on them asking how much flag did you did you get?

513
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Speaker 2: Because you know, when you're arguing or going back and

514
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Speaker 2: forth with the player, a football player, I'm sure they're

515
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Speaker 2: thinking you never played the sport.

516
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Speaker 1: Nah, you didn't, You didn't have to get in Denver,

517
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: we're not as well, you don't. But they don't do

518
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: that anymore. And that's where my reputation has helped me immensely,

519
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: because anybody that walked through the doors and you tell

520
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Speaker 1: me this is what you want to do. All you

521
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: got to do is ask for my help, and I'm

522
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you. You know what I'm saying.

523
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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to do this, here's how you

524
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Speaker 1: do it. And I'll tell them that and a lot

525
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: of times I'll let them know. Listen, I'm gonna come

526
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: at you. We're not orchestrating anything. I'm not letting you

527
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: know what all my opinions are. But from a generic perspective,

528
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm letting you know if I see something, I'm gonna

529
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Speaker 1: attack you. I'm gonna get right at you because but

530
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Speaker 1: the reason I'm doing it is for you to pull

531
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Speaker 1: out your level of expertise. So if you watch Kad's

532
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Speaker 1: debating with me, all of a sudden, they'll up the

533
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Speaker 1: ante as a segment progresses because I zero in on

534
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Speaker 1: them and they get up because they know he's coming

535
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Speaker 1: for me now, because that's my way of saying to them,

536
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Speaker 1: you're holding out. You ain't give me what you got,

537
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get this now, either that.

538
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Speaker 3: Or I'm right. Which one you willing to admit? Stephen,

539
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: there you right? Or Stephen there you wrong?

540
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Speaker 1: And if you say, Stephen a I'm wrong you got

541
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Speaker 1: to tell me why. And so when you have to

542
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: tell me why, that's what makes it debate. Holl gotcha,

543
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Speaker 1: And that's what it's about. Now.

544
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Speaker 3: Some weeks ago something you said what you said several times,

545
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Speaker 3: you wrote about it in your book. You talked about,

546
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Speaker 3: you know, your experience with Max Kelluman working on the show.

547
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Speaker 3: And I saw a reaction from Marcella's wife and he said,

548
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Speaker 3: you got rid of Max Kellerman because Max wasn't dumb

549
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Speaker 3: and white.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me say this. I'm not talking about

551
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to address that last part. The first part.

552
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm not addressing it anymore. And here's the reason why

553
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: some people want to do anything for clicks. Y'all don't

554
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: have to do that. I don't have to do that established,

555
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: but others have to do that. And so when you

556
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: see this, the tsunami of comments and all of this

557
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: other stuff. Even my boss has called me. It was like, yo, man,

558
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: it's in your book. Enough's enough, And I'm like, they're right.

559
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: I had nothing to say about it anymore. The ratings

560
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: speak for itself, The decisions that were made speak for itself.

561
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: It is what it is. Business is business, period. In

562
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Speaker 1: terms of what Marcellus Wiley said now that I will

563
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Speaker 1: direct I will address directly, and I only have one

564
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Speaker 1: thing to say. He and I work together. Got a

565
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Speaker 1: lot of respect for him, I know the man he

566
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Speaker 1: was talking about as his best friend. I get all

567
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Speaker 1: of that, no problem. Here's my only issue. For a

568
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Speaker 1: black man to sit up there and say another black

569
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Speaker 1: man it's scared of somebody's intellect. Come on, bro, that's

570
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Speaker 1: just the line you crossing. And I have nothing more

571
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Speaker 1: to say other than that that's sad that he would

572
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Speaker 1: go that route. I guess that he's gonna get attention

573
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: because obviously everybody who watches the Breakfast Club every chance

574
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Speaker 1: we get it, he don't see talk about it. I'm

575
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Speaker 1: certainly not gonna argue with him. I've always had a

576
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Speaker 1: lot of respect for him. Me and Marcella's while they

577
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Speaker 1: have never had one issue. And I don't care what

578
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Speaker 1: support he has for his boy or anybody else. I

579
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Speaker 1: get that. I support my boys too, but I would

580
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Speaker 1: never in a million years say that one black man

581
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Speaker 1: is scared of the intellect of a white man. I

582
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: would never ever ever do that. And for him to

583
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: do something like that, that's on him. Y'all. Have known

584
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: me for years. The business has known me for years.

585
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: I've been on national television with the number one debate

586
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: show on television for the last twelve straight years in County.

587
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: I've been winning. But more importantly, I've been in a

588
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: bubble in a public eye on national television every day.

589
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: We've had disagreements, you know, saying the whole bit. Y'all

590
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Speaker 1: have never questioned my intelligence. No, And so for me

591
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I get it, I understand it.

592
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot of brilliant brothers out there. Max is

593
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Speaker 1: one of them. Genius, absolutely true, and a good brother,

594
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: too good, due rather and I get that. But to me,

595
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: forget all that, I wish him nothing but the best.

596
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I ain't rooting against anybody for I'm even rooting for mysellers.

597
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't want him to fail. But if I ever

598
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: sam again one on one, it would be like a

599
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: black man going in a public platform and saying another

600
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Speaker 1: black man is scared another white guys. No. No, get not

601
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: as smart because most people are not as smart as

602
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: some other people, I guess, but that don't mean we're

603
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: devoid of how intellect and intelligence. But to say that,

604
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Speaker 1: I fear the intelligence of any man, any man. I've

605
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Speaker 1: debated doctor Michael Erick Dice. I've debated Cornell West. Yes,

606
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I've been on the phone with President Obama.

607
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I've debated political pundance. And I'm not even a political officionado.

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Speaker 1: We're talking sports, y'all. This This ain't science class. This

609
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: ain't you know this? This, I mean, this ain't geometry

610
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: or trigonometry or something. This ain't you know we We

611
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: ain't in law school trying to pass the ball. This

612
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: is sports. Scared of the intelligence, the intellect and intelligence

613
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Speaker 1: of a white man. Okay, we'll piss you off more.

614
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 3: Marcella's comments or Torella Owen's comments when he was on

615
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: first day back in the day Max was black than you.

616
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Speaker 1: Oh no, but that that that was just ignorant. You know,

617
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Like listen, you and I have talked about that. We

618
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: all have talked about it. Black folks, our community. You know,

619
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Speaker 1: there ain't nothing in this world that I love more

620
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: than black people. Ain't nothing I'd rather be other than black.

621
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Speaker 1: But that don't mean that we don't have our issues

622
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: as a community. And a lot of times when you

623
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: see when you think differently, when you think independently. Our

624
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: own gets at you because they want us. You know,

625
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: one minute, we want to be independent in a Maverick style.

626
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: In another minute we want to walk around and like

627
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be one monolithic group, all aligned in

628
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Speaker 1: terms of our thinking. I don't subscribe to that. Nobody

629
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: thinks for me. I think for me, and I make

630
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: my own decisions. But when Marcella said what he said,

631
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: it was a disappointm you know, because you hurting us

632
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: when you say that, not me, You hurting us because

633
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: dare I say, I think I've accomplished enough where you know,

634
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: my level of intelligence is respected, So what about those

635
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: that may not have accomplished what I've had, or haven't

636
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to really really expose the level of

637
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Speaker 1: intellect they possess. Well, what are you gonna say about them?

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Speaker 1: Not him specifically, but a country that's looking at a

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Speaker 1: black man saying that about another black man. So that's fine,

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Speaker 1: But the t O thing was just that was what

641
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Speaker 1: pissed me off because the lawyers, his lawyers contacted ESPN

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Speaker 1: to sue me. Now he wants to say that wasn't

643
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Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't him, That was his lawyers. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they worked for you for what That's what he said,

645
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Speaker 1: because he tried to say I said something off the

646
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Speaker 1: record that I didn't say, So I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: but I've never I've never listened doing what I do.

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Speaker 1: I would never violate the trust because you don't have

649
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Speaker 1: any credibility. You do that. You know, one of the

650
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Speaker 1: things you have to do is know how to keep secrets.

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Speaker 1: You can't open your mouth publicly when you gave your

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Speaker 1: word that you know, something's told to you in confidence.

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Speaker 3: So when you threatened to expose something about him when

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Speaker 3: you retweeted him, that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: No what I was saying, and no, that wasn't what

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Speaker 1: it was. What I was What I was trying to

657
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Speaker 1: say to him is that I wasn't even trying to

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Speaker 1: threaten to expose anything. I'm trying to say, we all

659
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Speaker 1: know all the troubles you've been through. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about it, but you know that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 1: But that's all I was saying. And then when he

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Speaker 1: when he he, you know, he called me and talk

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Speaker 1: about I didn't tweet. I retweeted, Well, that's tweeting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't know what to say,

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Speaker 1: you know so, But I was only pissed off about that,

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Speaker 1: and you know, but that's over and done. What we

667
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: spoke on it. We had our words and that's that,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we move on. But that pissed me

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Speaker 1: off more. The Marcello's thing to answer your question made

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Speaker 1: me sad. Steve got to go. I got one last question, man.

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Speaker 1: This is as a father. Yeah, Charlemagne has four kids.

672
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Speaker 1: I have six. I have two, you have two? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where do you find a time? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because I think I work a lot, right, I'm traveling everywhere,

675
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Speaker 2: but I'm like, sports never ends, right, and you're always

676
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Speaker 2: doing sports. When do you find time for your family.

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Speaker 1: And your kids? Well, first of all, it's never enough time.

678
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Speaker 1: My daughters would be the first to tell you that

679
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Speaker 1: they are not happy with me sometimes because even when

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Speaker 1: I'm with them a bit distracted because there's some sports

681
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Speaker 1: event going on and there's something percolating or whatever. I

682
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: treat them like the queens that they are. I do

683
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Speaker 1: the best that I can. But the one thing I

684
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: am unapologetic about, for better or worse, is that I

685
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: grew up poor. I grew up starving and I watched

686
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Speaker 1: my mother's slave as I stayed in in my book,

687
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Speaker 1: because you know, my father didn't handle his business. And

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Speaker 1: that's why the title of my book, straight Shooter, is

689
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Speaker 1: dedicated to my mother, because my mother was always a

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Speaker 1: straight shooter, and I was always of the mindset provide

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Speaker 1: and protect. Do everything that you can to elevate the

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Speaker 1: quality of life of your children. Make sure they know

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. And why so my daughters know when

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Speaker 1: I'm on television, they know where I'm on television from

695
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: I called. You know, I'm with them every day. I

696
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Speaker 1: call them several times a day. They know what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: where I'm doing it from, they know where to find me,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Because I read with children especially, it's important

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Speaker 1: that they know. They may not like it, but when

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Speaker 1: they able to turn on the TV or click on

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Speaker 1: the radio and they hear you or they see you,

702
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Speaker 1: daddy's working, Daddy's working. And so when that's the case,

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Speaker 1: and then they reap the benefits of your labor. They

704
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Speaker 1: may not like it sometimes, but they also know that

705
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Speaker 1: everything they have is because of you, and so that

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Speaker 1: goes a long way.

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Speaker 3: And then outside of that, you find the time and

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Speaker 3: it ain't about finding, It's about making it.

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Speaker 1: You know. The bottom line is I don't have time

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Speaker 1: because I am busy. I make time. I mean, I

711
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Speaker 1: could be having to work. I get off at twelve

712
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Speaker 1: noon and I might have to work at three. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll go see them in Hill too, and then I

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Speaker 1: leave and I come back, and then I get off

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Speaker 1: at seven. I go see him at eight, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've I've flown. I've had to take a flight from

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Speaker 1: LA to Dallas, and I flew on the Red Eye

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Speaker 1: of New York just to take them to school, and

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Speaker 1: it flew right out to Dallas. Something like that. It's

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Speaker 1: little stuff like that that's big things to them when

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Speaker 1: it really really counts, because they know that you're sacrificing

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Speaker 1: for them, and when they know that they appreciated it.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, it's something that they'll hold others accountable to

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Speaker 1: down the line. They'll be like this, how my dad

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Speaker 1: treated me? How you gonna treat me? Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: That Stephen A.

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Speaker 3: Smith and s Grat Shooter has been recently reprinted with

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Speaker 3: a new afterward.

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Speaker 4: Any other changes to the combrats on New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Bestsellers Man, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Man. Oh, and they told me to tell you Erica

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Speaker 3: Ford has the best pitch.

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Speaker 4: Now in Queens because.

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Speaker 1: That's a choke job. Bro, We're not gonna listen.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: I was embarrassing, and that's shame. It's a shame. It

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Speaker 1: was shame. Shame. In New York, I was in front

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Speaker 1: of the Yankee dugout and sixty feet six inches, I'm

740
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Speaker 1: throwing strikes, throwing strike, about thirty pictures throwing strikes. And

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Speaker 1: then he says, time to go to the mound. And

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Speaker 1: I walked up there and the mounds ten inches off

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Speaker 1: and I turned around and I saw a home player.

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, what have I done? What have I done? Right?

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Speaker 1: And then my dumb ass I had on Christian Louverton

746
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Speaker 1: sneakers like the red bottom. So I stepped. You try

747
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Speaker 1: to be fly, Try to be fly.

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Speaker 3: So I stepped on the dirt and instantly I'm slipping.

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Speaker 3: But this before the pitch, I'm slipping. So now I

750
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Speaker 3: got to make a business decision. I'm about to bust

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Speaker 3: my ass on national TELEVI I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: I said. The priority is to stay upright, no matter

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Speaker 1: what I said. I work on the picture later. The

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00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: priority is to stay upright. I should have wore cleats

755
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: and I was wearing the Geda jersey. Gedda caught me afterward.

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00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: It was embarrassing. He said, look man, here's our excuse.

757
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: You were playing crickets. And he said, you know you

758
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Speaker 1: got to come back out there next year and make

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Speaker 1: up for it. I said, I will, okay. Well, Steven

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake that

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Speaker 1: ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club