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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Giants Top one hundred Players,

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Speaker 1: presented by Bud Light. I'm Bob Papa, and we've got

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Speaker 1: a great show lined up for you. Bob Glauber, one

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Speaker 1: of the panelists who helped create this list of Top

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Speaker 1: one hundred Giants, joins us here on this program and Bob,

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Speaker 1: over five thousand men have worn a Giants uniform since

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty five. Put this list together of votable players,

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Speaker 1: and it was a challenge figuring out this top one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: It was a huge challenge.

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Speaker 4: But you know, some of the players, obviously you know

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Speaker 4: where to place them. They're at the top. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, you kind of go through the list and

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Speaker 4: there are so many players who have been through here

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Speaker 4: that are great, and you think of the legacies. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I got a chance to go to Giants games when

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Speaker 4: I was a kid at Yankee Stadium. Yes that long ago,

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Speaker 4: So you know, you know the history of how many

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Speaker 4: players have come through. These two great players have come

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Speaker 4: through and really are at or near the.

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Speaker 3: Top of that list.

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Speaker 4: So a great exercise in trying to fit figure out,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: Who ranks where we're going to zero in on numbers

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Speaker 1: eleven through twenty, and it's kind of fitting because he

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Speaker 1: wore number eleven. Phil Simms joins us.

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Speaker 2: Phil.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the history of this franchise, and

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Speaker 1: I know you're well versed in it, to think about

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Speaker 1: the fact that you were voted one of the top

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Speaker 1: one hundred players in the history of the franchise. When

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Speaker 1: you think about that, what comes to your mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's awesome. You know, the history of the New

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Speaker 2: York Giants. It's tremendous for many reasons what they did

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Speaker 2: many many years ago, and of course the fact that

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Speaker 2: they've won Super Bowls too. So it's great to be

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Speaker 2: part of it. I loved when I was a player

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Speaker 2: seeing some of the old guys come back. I'll never

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Speaker 2: forget Tiki training camp. You know, we're there and why

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Speaker 2: a Tittle shows up at training camp and we're throwing

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Speaker 2: the ball to each other and thinking, man, this.

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Speaker 5: Is so cool.

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Speaker 2: Going to why Diddle and you know, I just think

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Speaker 2: about him and Charlie Connelly, the two other quarterbacks. But

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Speaker 2: to see him and meet them and know what they

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Speaker 2: did and to be part of it, it's a great honor.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to revisit that because Ya came

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Speaker 1: in at number twelve in the voting. Wow, and Charlie

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Speaker 1: Connolly came in at number thirteen in the voting, So

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Speaker 1: we're going to go back to that. Number fourteen is

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Speaker 1: Tiki Barber, the franchises all time leading rusher, and Tiki,

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Speaker 1: like Phil, you know, you have your name in the

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Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. But now with this list coming out

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Speaker 1: in the one hundred years, it kind of brings a

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Speaker 1: lot of things into perspective.

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Speaker 5: Does it really does, especially because I'm surrounding all these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: the icons of the franchise, so to speak. But you know,

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Speaker 5: Phil mentioned something really interesting. When I first got here,

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Speaker 5: I didn't know the history of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in Washington, so I was a then

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Speaker 5: Redskins fan, and I hated this team, just like I

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Speaker 5: hated the Cowboys and I hated the Eagles. But once

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Speaker 5: you get to know this organization, and I think more importantly,

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Speaker 5: the family, the Mayra family, you realize how important it

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Speaker 5: is when you turn out to be a good player

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Speaker 5: here and you talk about y a tittle. For me,

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Speaker 5: it was Frank Gifford. Frank would come around and I

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Speaker 5: lived in the city. I was one of the few

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Speaker 5: that lived in New York City, and he would tell

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Speaker 5: me these stories of my house. My apartment was the epicenter,

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Speaker 5: right There was players there, the politicians were there, the

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Speaker 5: police were there, like everybody was there, and I kind

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Speaker 5: of wanted to be him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 5: He was an icon for me in so many ways,

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Speaker 5: and to get a chance as a young player to

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Speaker 3: It made me.

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Speaker 5: Feel like I was part of that history. And then

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Speaker 5: to now be now that I'm retired, to be a

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Speaker 5: part of it as well as something that's really special.

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Speaker 3: Gifford loved your game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he really focused on you and watched you,

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Speaker 4: and he saw a lot of you in him and

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Speaker 4: or him and you, and like I think he said

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Speaker 4: something like, you know, if I was just a runner,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have made it.

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Speaker 3: If you were just a runner, if you were just

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't have made it, if you were just a returner.

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Speaker 3: But you know you had everything.

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Speaker 1: Barbara at his own fifteen Tiky makes one man mess

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Speaker 1: at the twenty outside to the twenty five Tikey.

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Speaker 7: Up to the thirty to the fortys to be going

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Speaker 5: He's gonna score fuck touchdown.

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Speaker 8: Ticky Bomber five yards by Ticky who's been on fire

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Speaker 8: tonight in all areas, rushy cat see the ball and

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Speaker 8: now punt return.

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Speaker 3: And that was the similarity.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's cool to kind of link it

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Speaker 4: all the way back there with Gifford. He was the

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Speaker 4: golden boy, and he was like he was mister.

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Speaker 5: Or well he was the first of the first, right,

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Speaker 5: he was the first to do all those things and

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Speaker 5: then retire and do TV or actually he kind of

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Speaker 5: did it while he was.

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Speaker 2: Playing Frank Gifford, I said, you know, I was talking

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Speaker 2: to him once, so we were pretty good friends. You know,

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Speaker 2: I met him many many times. I said, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to hang out with you one night, Nibs. I bet

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Speaker 2: you would, Okay, hey, you I was trying to get invited,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't get invited.

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Speaker 5: Invite not forthcoming.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's some parallels in your careers in the regards

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Speaker 1: to Phil. You know, you were drafted in the first round,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't work out right away. You went through

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Speaker 1: a lot of trials and tribulation before becoming the man here. Tiki,

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Speaker 1: you were drafted in the second round and you were

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Speaker 1: used as a punt returner and a third down back.

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Speaker 1: And arguably, if you take a look at Tiki's career,

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Speaker 1: the last five years of your career might be the

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Speaker 1: greatest five years of any running back in the history

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Speaker 1: of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Number twenty one, Tiki Barber. The Giants say we are

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Speaker 2: going to give the football to him.

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Speaker 7: They hand it off for Barber, running right, big hole

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Speaker 7: to the thirty. There goes Barbara the foot race to

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Speaker 7: the cardinal forty thirty twenty.

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Speaker 5: Ten five touchdown ticket.

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Speaker 3: Your marge, what a run by ticket.

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Speaker 2: He's having it all pro day.

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Speaker 5: There's something about the people in this organization that make

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Speaker 5: you feel loyal to it. And I think Coach Fossil,

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Speaker 5: when he rests in peace, was one of those that

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Speaker 5: had a real loyalty towards me.

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Speaker 8: Hey twenty one, great job, Buddy hay hel a job man.

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Speaker 5: Had a red job and he just kind of kept

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Speaker 5: me around. And Tiki, focus on being a great third

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Speaker 5: down back, focus on being a great punt returner, and

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Speaker 5: the rest will take care of itself, and eventually.

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Speaker 7: It did pitch right, tiki to the outside, can't cut

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Speaker 7: it now, hesitation move, cuts up a ten, reverses his

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Speaker 7: field to the near sign, run away from one man,

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Speaker 7: farbar to the ten fish spectacular touchdown, take a barber,

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Speaker 7: look a regulars touch down run.

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Speaker 2: That was a great game.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what, man, I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man.

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Speaker 1: So what about for you that? I mean, there are injuries,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was obviously the coaching change, and then

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Speaker 1: Parcels came in and the horrible season of eighty three,

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Speaker 1: but you stuck with it, and they stuck with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know many things. You know, it got off

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Speaker 2: the good start. I loved my rookie year. I just

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Speaker 2: couldn't get over the weather though. It's like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: You know about mid season it's thirty mine hour wins.

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Speaker 2: When you're practicing in the games, it's raining all the time,

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Speaker 2: and I just I wasn't used to that. But that

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Speaker 2: was great. But yeah, getting injured probably saved my career here,

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Speaker 2: I think, and I say it so well. In eighty

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Speaker 2: three Bill Parcells' first year, he took it over and

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Speaker 2: he gave the job to Scott Brunner. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's funny. I think as a player you always know right,

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Speaker 2: and nothing shocked me. I knew. I just I can

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Speaker 2: get a sense, I can feel it. And of course

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Speaker 2: some of the other coaches told me so I know it,

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Speaker 2: really knew, but I got hurt. I finally came into

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Speaker 2: a game to relave him a go right down to

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Speaker 2: field and score a touchdown. The fans actually liked me,

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Speaker 2: now where this is pretty cool. And then I break

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Speaker 2: my thumb really bad, really bad. I mean, I just like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh. But that might have done it, because

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Speaker 2: the rest of the year was a train wreck, if

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Speaker 2: you remember, and it was so bad. I would have

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Speaker 2: been a part of that if I was still the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback, and they might have said that's the end

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Speaker 2: of it. But Scott Bruner finished the year out. It

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Speaker 2: didn't go well. The record was I think three twelve

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Speaker 2: and one, remember that, And so the following year everything changed.

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Speaker 2: I was the quarterback. Bill Parcells became Bill Parcells, I

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Speaker 2: mean for real, he changed tremendously. He was in charge

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Speaker 2: and leading and it was awesome, and of course the

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Speaker 2: rest of his history it worked out pretty well. From there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and my first year covering a Giants

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Speaker 4: was nineteen eighty five, and it was the perfect time

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Speaker 4: just to come in and you know, you have all

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Speaker 4: these big personalities, you Joe Morris, Bill Parcells, Lawrence Taylor,

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Speaker 4: Harry Carson, what a what a room to come into

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Speaker 4: and and was like wow, And it was the perfect

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Speaker 4: time because you had turned the corner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, four, you win.

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Speaker 4: You go to the playoffs, eighty five you get another

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Speaker 4: step further, and you know, you play the Bears and

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Speaker 4: they and they and they got the better of you.

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Speaker 3: And it was clear. And then that eighty six it.

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Speaker 4: All came together and then your Super Bowl run was

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Speaker 4: you know, magnificent.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know I was a big personality. Well not

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Speaker 2: not in those rooms.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't have been.

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Speaker 2: No, not even that. And the course of that coach

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Speaker 2: we had, you know, what was it?

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Speaker 3: What was that like?

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Speaker 5: I mean because I think of the personalities from Afar,

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Speaker 5: from Lawrence to Carl Banks and Harry. It was a

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Speaker 5: big like ego room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well how does that work?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: It was awesome. You know, that energy you get from

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Speaker 2: all those guys every day. The locker room was you know, gosh,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if you could do what we

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Speaker 2: did that in today's world. I mean it was out

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Speaker 2: of control. You know that that fifteen minutes before practice,

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Speaker 2: I would sit in my stool and just go, oh, please,

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Speaker 2: don't aybody pick on me, because it was just it

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Speaker 2: was incredible. You can't I couldn't even tell the stories here, right,

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Speaker 2: And so that kind of set the stage, and it

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Speaker 5: That's what coach Coaughland preached. It was those little things,

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Speaker 4: And it was a tough transition with him, Oh, really tough.

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Speaker 4: He came in and Foster was a you know, more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he made you hold the football when you

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Speaker 5: Right, you had when I was at home, when I

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Speaker 2: It was NonStop.

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Speaker 4: But to watch that transform into and you blossom, you

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Speaker 5: It was remarkable yeah, fifty nine and ten years fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot. We all learned how to carry

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Speaker 5: The only time I became aware of it was you

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Speaker 5: And then this is why I come in Coach Kauughlin

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Speaker 4: It was nice to hear a sportswriter turn around here.

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Speaker 4: How George worked for the New York Times. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Amani Tumor, another guy that came in with

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Speaker 2: I swear Bob.

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Speaker 5: He always basket caught everything. Everything was in his basket

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Speaker 5: He was healthy. He was big and strong and powerful.

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Speaker 1: And his footwork was incredible. The boundaries unbelieva. I mean,

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Speaker 2: To make me famous.

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Speaker 1: And that seemed to breathe life into Amani's career because

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Speaker 4: You know, Amani played in an era where receivers became

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Speaker 5: We'd gone ten and six and then we were eight

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Speaker 5: to get another shot. And then ultimately I retired and

442
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, I don't know either, and he hung

443
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 5: on for one more year and he got another shot,

444
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 5: which is the year you're talking about.

445
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 2: That whole thing. You get your chance. I can't imagine

446
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 2: my life if we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl.

447
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 2: I know would have been different. And you know I

448
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: can carry things pretty well, I'd still be angry about it,

449
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 2: you know, just it is amazing. I talked to guys

450
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 2: every now and then it had their chance and it didn't.

451
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,919
Speaker 2: They didn't win, and I feel for them because I

452
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 2: think it is what you said. It's almost a burden

453
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 2: to carry, you know, it just depends. But those kind

454
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 2: of sports, it's great. The highs are the super high.

455
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: But losing the Super Bowl, man, I don't know what

456
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 2: to say. It's like you said, you got to hope

457
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: you get one more chance.

458
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: And help that.

459
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 5: We got our butts kicks, so it was close.

460
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: It was yeah, no, I hear you. That was a

461
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: special team you played against.

462
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 5: They were they were good.

463
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 2: We're pretty good.

464
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: Oh two though that team, that team could have won

465
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 1: a super Bowl, THEO two team if not for the

466
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 1: right Niners meltdown. But we're not going to talk about

467
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 1: the negative here. You know, we've talked about a Moni

468
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: not being self promoting. Number eighteen on this list is

469
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: Mark Bavarro talking about not self promoting.

470
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: No, yeah, man, a few words, you know, as I

471
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 2: always tell people, it was just a few words for

472
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: me too. But I always tell this story and it's

473
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 2: so true. I and I. It's it's hard to say

474
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 2: this because it comes off as braggame, but we created

475
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: the back shoulder throw. We created it. You and Mark Well.

476
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: Our team we had small receivers so beating people down

477
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: the field. So we we were a tremendous back shoulder

478
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: team throwing. You know, I'll never forget. We're playing the

479
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: Steelers in a preseason game. We're watching the film of

480
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 2: the game and Parcels goes, why didn't you throw it

481
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: to Bavaro? I said, he's covered, and he goes, sims,

482
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: you don't understand when he's covered, he's open, And you know,

483
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I knew. I guess I knew the

484
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells language. And I go, he's right. So Mark

485
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: run down the field. If the guy was inside, high, low, whatever,

486
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: I knew where to throw it. And he you know,

487
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 2: of course he's got hands about this long, so he

488
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: was a great hand catcher. And I don't remember him

489
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: dropping those passes now, And we did it. I went

490
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 2: to the Pro Bowl in eighty five and John Robinson

491
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: I put in some of those plays that I'm talking

492
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: about with Mark. Vady goes, I never understood that with

493
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: you guys, that is so dangerous, not if you do

494
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: it every day. And I did it in that game

495
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: and got the MVP. And I put the plays in,

496
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: which was awesome. But yeah, Mark was phenomenalon that way

497
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: that I could throw it high behind him in front whatever.

498
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: He knew the adjustments and it really helped change my

499
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: life as a as a quarterback. And it perpetuated itself.

500
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty six, Remember we went down and scrimmaged

501
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: for days with the Atlanta Falcons. We had like a

502
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: team thing, and I threw like fifteen touchdowns in one

503
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: period because I was throwing back shoulders and they'd never

504
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: seen them.

505
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 5: You guys were innovators in a lot of ways in

506
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 5: because think of the small receiver in today's game.

507
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we had small receivers too. They were

508
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: and you.

509
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: Know, I'm problem Bobby Johnson.

510
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: Bobby Johnson. Yeah, just great feet, both of them. Bobby Johnson,

511
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: he wasn't fast, but he's another one. He never dropped

512
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah, and Loan o'manuel had the greatest feet

513
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 2: maybe I've ever seen. His feet were so quick and

514
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: he could do everything with them. He turned you know,

515
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: corners around right and left all the time.

516
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. But I was saying it's unique because back then

517
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 5: you could you could kill wide receivers.

518
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could hit them. Yeah, I let them into

519
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: trouble a few times.

520
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: So they just going back to Mark though, as a teammate. Yeah,

521
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: he's legendary. He's on this list for a reason. Loved him.

522
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: What can you share about him that maybe people don't know?

523
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Well, I think the play in San Francisco, which in

524
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six on the Monday night game, just explains

525
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: everything about him. His will, his determination, his talent.

526
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 8: Competed the Bavar down to the thirty five, showing to

527
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 8: speak to the thirty, down to the twenty five, down

528
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 8: at the twenty he's got four menut.

529
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 5: In his back. He us down to the seventeen.

530
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: And you know Mark was big for a tight end

531
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: back then. You know his big frame, long arms, huge hands,

532
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: all that could block anybody, a great run blocker, just

533
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: he had all of it. And you know he was

534
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: just a great personality for the team. And it is

535
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: true he did not talk. He's a stone face, that Bavaro.

536
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 8: Now you know what the hell he's thinking, I ain't

537
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 8: have to fight that son.

538
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 5: Of a gun. Why was that great?

539
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: Just the aura around him? Oh, I see, you know

540
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: it was there, It was real and we knew every

541
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: game that he was going to be a big part

542
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: of us winning or losing with his blocking or care

543
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: the football. And he broke his jaw. One year, he

544
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: did not miss a game after he broke his jaw,

545
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: but none of us really knew because he didn't talk anyway,

546
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: And it's true. And then you know, Larry is on

547
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: the plane after we won a road game. He's eating

548
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: baby food. You know, it was incredible his who could

549
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: play in today's world with a broken jar would let you?

550
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, he wouldn't doctors, wouldn't smart.

551
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: One probably toughest guys.

552
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: The first year of training camp, first training camp, a

553
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 4: couple of weeks in, he got sick, he got dehydrated,

554
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: had to go to the hospital, had to get IVS.

555
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: Shows up in the afternoon before practice and Parcells says,

556
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: what are you doing here? He knew he could going

557
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 4: to hospital. I got practice and he practiced, and you.

558
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: Kind of knew.

559
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy wanted it and he had the

560
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: will that was really hard to find.

561
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can tell tell me stories about him.

562
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: I think it was nineteen eighty five. We're playing Houston,

563
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: the game is over, we're winning, We're gonna do. We're

564
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: gonna call a play. He goes. He never talked in

565
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: the huddle. He says, don't call that play, call this play.

566
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: And I said, well, why do you want that? He goes,

567
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: I want to hit this guy one more time. And

568
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: that was like okay. So I changed the play, which

569
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: I never did in my whole career once, but I

570
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: did it for him. And because he wanted to fight.

571
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 5: The guy right didn't work.

572
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: Well, they got in a fight.

573
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: I had to tell you, he has.

574
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 5: Like an aura about him. It's unbelievable image, like he

575
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 5: exists as this iconic tough man.

576
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 2: Well, the play on the field was everything. You know,

577
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: that play, like I said, I watched to play. It

578
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: almost makes me cry about he caught that pass over

579
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: the middle against the forty and just exemplify who he was,

580
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: the fact that he played with the broken jaw, which

581
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: we didn't even know, and he was just awesome. Our

582
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: offense centered around him, Our passing game centered around Mark Bavarro,

583
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: and we all fed off on it, and we tried

584
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: to get in the ball as much as possible. And

585
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, of course, hey, there were a few times

586
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: we were playing the Cincinnati Bengals in eighty five. He

587
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how many passes he caught, but it

588
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: was a lot that day. And I actually saw him

589
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: kind of walk back to the huddle once with a

590
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: smile because even he knew this is like, it's a

591
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: tough game. We might not be winning. Damn I'm catching.

592
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Then you throw for five.

593
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's easy to do when you dig a

594
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: hole for your football team and try to get out.

595
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about number seventeen on this list,

596
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: Carl Banks, two time Super Bowl champion, and you know,

597
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: drafted in eighty four in the first round, when your

598
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: roster wasn't begging for linebackers, you were loaded at linebacker,

599
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: and he and Bavarro obviously practicing against each other every day.

600
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: They oh gosh, well talk about.

601
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: Those battles between Carl and Bavarro.

602
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable between Mark Bavarro, Andy Hedding, Carl Banks,

603
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt. I mean, you know, Harry Carson,

604
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: Gary whatever. But I was like, oh my god, they

605
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: gotta come out to practice every day and do this

606
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: because it was a fight. The defense was mad because

607
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: they weren't getting enough playing time. But there was Mark.

608
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: They would literally get in battles every day. And you know,

609
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: you talk about Carl Banks always brings this first thought

610
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: in my mind, what do you think that is? Why

611
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: is Carl Banks not in the Hall of Fame? And

612
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: you too, okay? And I don't say hey, no, no,

613
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: not me. I don't. I'm not being shy or humble.

614
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: You can say it, but I don't bring myself into

615
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: that because I don't believe it. But you know, Carl,

616
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: just go back and watch the nineteen eighty six if

617
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: nothing else, just watch the playoff run. He was unbelievable.

618
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: He was the best player in the field, the best.

619
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 6: Watch Carl Banks fifty eight coming from the outside of

620
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 6: the I think towards the end of the season, he's

621
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 6: become one of the best players in the whole league.

622
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 6: You can't run at him. You say you want to

623
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 6: run away from Lawrence Taylor, that's good, but you have

624
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 6: to run into him. You're not going to run outside

625
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 6: to get this giant defense.

626
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: He might have been the MVP if you didn't.

627
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: Probably you're right, I mean, he was. He just had

628
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: such a great knack. And you know, I think even

629
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: now and I see Carl go Oh my god, you're

630
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: a big dude. And we had some big damn limpiers.

631
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: I mean, I'd be scared to play in.

632
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: Everybody was six four and five and all of them,

633
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: most of them could really run, and they were mad

634
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: as hell too at the world. I don't know.

635
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have worried about them tackling me. It had

636
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 5: been blocking them. Oh yeah, that's the challenge.

637
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Carl was great.

638
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 5: Because these guys were heavy. They just looked heavy.

639
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: They bodied.

640
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Anthony Junis paid him one of the greatest confidences of

641
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: all time. He said he was a Hall of Famer

642
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengal left tie guess that he goes. The best

643
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: outside linebacker I ever played against, uh was Carl Banks,

644
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: because of his ability to handle the run, pass rush,

645
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: deal with tight end, everything.

646
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: Everything just to should because exemplify that point would be

647
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: John Madden, who loved Lawrence Taylor. Of course everybody did,

648
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: of course, and John loved talking about him, and rightly so.

649
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: But one day on a telecast, I happen to see

650
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: it the telecast and he says, boom, boom, Lawrence Taylor.

651
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: But right now, the best linebacker in the NFL in

652
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: my opinion is Carl Banks.

653
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 6: I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going

654
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: to be the best player in this Giant defense. Like

655
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: he's going to be there for a long time.

656
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he can do it all.

657
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 6: I mean he can cover, he can run, he can tackle,

658
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 6: he can do everything.

659
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: And you know that takes something to say because you're

660
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: saying it against Lawrence Taylor. And that was John Madden's

661
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: favorite player probably of all time, right, and Harry's on

662
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: the team, and Harry's in there too.

663
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: I think that was he was. It wasn't overshadowed.

664
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: But you know, when you have those guys with him,

665
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: they're two Hall of Fame players that you know, you say, well,

666
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: his Bank's a product of that. No, he was not

667
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: a product of the players around him. He was a great,

668
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: great player in his own right.

669
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely a great I know neither of these two guys

670
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: had any interaction with him. But number fifteen on this

671
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: list is Toughy LeMans played for the Giants in the

672
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: thirties and forties and was really a unique player because

673
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: not only was he a runner, but he was a passer.

674
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: He was in the first NFL draft nineteen thirty six,

675
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: was the first year of the draft and the Giants

676
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: drafted him. He had you know, five thousand combined yards

677
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: of rushing and passing and was inducted into the Pro

678
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame in nineteen seventy eight. And mister

679
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Marra personally scouted him. He was like seventeen years old

680
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: and he was scouting him, and he convinced, you know,

681
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: his father to select Tuffy LeMans and the guy went

682
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: on to have a Hall of Fame.

683
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: The first player that Willington Maraw scouted.

684
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 5: Wow, right, yes, at seventeen.

685
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Well it was a bolt, but yeah, it was.

686
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: He was either just at Fordham or was on his

687
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: way in.

688
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, and he saw Tuffy LeMans. He transferred

689
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: to George wahs Is Washington and he was a star

690
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: there and Wellington Merrow had had conviction on him when

691
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: he saw him. And you know, back then, you know,

692
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: you're playing in the single wing. So in his position,

693
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: he's he's running the ball, he's throwing the ball, he's

694
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: catching passes. So it's a very very I'd like to

695
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: see the single wing in today's game. There are some

696
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: things that people could do with that, but you know,

697
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: you don't have that kind of player anymore that threw

698
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: touchdowns and ran for touchdown.

699
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: Back then, they were probably more important than the quarterback. Yeah,

700
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: as far as throwing the football too, which is really amazing.

701
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 5: And you know the thing, the only one is probably

702
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: Taysom right Hill. Yeah, and he is like probably the

703
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: only one in Yeah, Taysom Hill.

704
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: And you know they had a Toughy Leman's Day at

705
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: the Polo Grounds December seventh, nineteen forty one.

706
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

707
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so it's Toughy Leman's Day to get a program,

708
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: and there's an announcement.

709
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: Made during the game.

710
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

711
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: A military officer was summoned downstairs to call his commanding officer,

712
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: Pearl Harbor. Had happened Wow during the game.

713
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

714
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: And they stopped the game.

715
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: They did not stop the game. They didn't really announce

716
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: that it happened.

717
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: People you know, got word through radio and stuff.

718
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 5: But they probably couldn't understand the magnitude.

719
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: No in real time, and all service for the games

720
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: that were played that day, all service, you know, military

721
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: age personnel were summoned to their assignments. So it was

722
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: and that's Toughy Leman's Day. So it was a kind

723
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: of a PostScript to unbelievable.

724
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm glad to know that fact. Yeah, it is philis.

725
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: You know the name Tuffy LeMans. It's kind of hard

726
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: not to know it. Yeah, in Italian history, it's.

727
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about let me ask you about

728
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks that come after you and y A.

729
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Tittle at number twelve and Charlie Connery on this lest

730
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned at the beginning of this used to have

731
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: catches with them because they'd be around. Mister Marra always

732
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: had former Giants players around, but as a quarterback, what

733
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: about their games that you know?

734
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we know what Tittle did? Yeah, why Tittle?

735
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: The first thing I think about he was Johnny and

736
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: IIIs at the time. Is that a good example? Yeah,

737
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, not that I can remember all

738
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: of it, but I've watched enough and whatever, and I

739
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: knew about why Tittle And of course he's famous for

740
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: what photo. Yes, and it is unbelievable. And now I

741
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: know stories about him. Johnny Disigel, who was a trainer

742
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: for the Giants for many of my maybe my whole career.

743
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't know when Johnny Diziegel left, but he'd always

744
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: tell me I'd have something going on. He goes, oh,

745
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: could be in a baby Like, I'm not a baby

746
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: what they talk about. I think I'm fairly tough in football.

747
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: He goes, why a he would have never done this,

748
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: and I go, oh, yeah, you're gonna tell me this story.

749
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: He would go into a stall in the bathroom and

750
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: tape himself. Wow, because he didn't want any player to

751
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: see him being taped and all this, I'm going, God,

752
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: you know it was. It was unbelievable. But you know,

753
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: he was really kind of a modern day quarterback in

754
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: old age. You know, back then they ran in like

755
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: two formations and it was the same offense for every team,

756
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: and it seemed like in the NFL. But you know,

757
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: he was a big guy, threw the ball well and

758
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: even when he was fifty some years old. Is when

759
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: we hit our catch huh and Pace University in training

760
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: camp and I went, damn, he can still throw it

761
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: pretty well too, And you know he was fascinated by

762
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about what I did as

763
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Goes, that's unbelievable, you know, because it progressed

764
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: somewhat not compared I said things. Now, some of these

765
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: guys are like, God, these offenses you run.

766
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 6: Y A.

767
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 9: Tittle connects with Joe Walton to tie the record of

768
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 9: seven touchdown throws in the game. Hy A noted five

769
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 9: hundred and five yards as he tied the mark first

770
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 9: set by Sid Luckman. The Giants win forty nine to

771
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 9: thirty four.

772
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, think about y A. Tittle in nineteen sixty three,

773
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: he set an NFL record thirty six touchdown passes throw

774
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: on that season. It took until Dan Marino in eighty

775
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: four to break that record. When you think about the

776
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that played in the seventies, whether it's Roger Starbuck,

777
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Kenny Stabler, Dan Fouts, you know, you go

778
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: through the whole list of him, it's a pretty impressive

779
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: record that he had.

780
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable.

781
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: Still the Drance record, isn't it?

782
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: It still is? Oh he led it and beat it.

783
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Or he got to thirty five a couple of times.

784
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: Wow, it's remarkable.

785
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: Man, man's that's amazing.

786
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: Especially in his passing league.

787
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: Now, well, yeah, in this day and age, you think,

788
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, thirty six touchdowns, I don't care how

789
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: you look at a lot. So that was why and

790
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: Chuck and Charlie Connolly, you know, couldn't be a nicer guy,

791
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of below the radar when he talked to you whatever,

792
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: because I just wish you could run a little faster and.

793
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 5: That's not gonna happens.

794
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: The Marlborough Man, by the way, Yeah, I know, the

795
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: Marlborough Man.

796
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was.

797
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 5: I don't think I knew that he's the Marlborough commercial.

798
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: I think he had one with his road up in

799
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: the sleeves, right, I.

800
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: Believe rolled up.

801
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah smoke if you got him. But if you just

802
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: saw him, you'd go, yeah, he's the Marlborough.

803
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people know this, but

804
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: he was played at Ole, miss And if you go

805
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: to Oxford, there's a huge Giants fan base, and Giant

806
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: games are shown in Oxford, Mississippi, really because of Charlie

807
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: Connolly and then of course Eli oh or both of

808
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: those being old Miss Rebels.

809
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 9: Eleven year veteran Chuck Connolly does the quarterbacking and must

810
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 9: be righted as an all time great. On the Browns eighteen,

811
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 9: Connolly hands to Webster, who hands to Gifford. On the reverse,

812
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 9: Berry supplies the block. Frank laterals to Connorley it's touchdown. Giants.

813
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 9: Connolly drives uninspired team. He fakes once twice three times.

814
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 9: Ben fires a forty six yarder to Bob Schnelker. Charlie

815
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 9: Connolly evades the Skins and loops a pastor Road in

816
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 9: the corner. Touchdown. They're making a great, big Connery day.

817
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 9: Chuck talks his third touchdown f Schnelker for thirty four yards.

818
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 9: Good old number forty two. The thirty eight year old

819
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 9: hero is honored, and here he is in person. On

820
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 9: Connery's second chance with the ball, there's no baking Webster

821
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 9: in triplet block, different slices in front of all, but

822
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 9: in scores on a twenty eight yard shot. What a combo.

823
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 9: Charlie Connolly make sure of his passing championship with a

824
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 9: twenty six yard touchdown.

825
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: Throw the rote.

826
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 9: Charlie Connolly chose his third touchdown pass of the amazing

827
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 9: routes Will grabs him and the Giants clinched the Eastern

828
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 9: title forty eight to seven.

829
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to nineteen on this list. Ken Strong Hall

830
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: of Famer, and this is a guy that he scored

831
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: the critical touchdown in the original Sneakers game of nineteen

832
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: thirty four against the Chicago Bears in the NFL Championship.

833
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: He had four hundred and seventy nine points in his career.

834
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: He's a guy that kicked, ran the ball, did all

835
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: those different things. It's kind of cool when you think

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: about it, isn't it what?

837
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 5: It is cool to think about the game back then?

838
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 5: How you had to do everything. I mean they used

839
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 5: to say that cliche just to make a football team,

840
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: whether you were a first round probably not a first

841
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 5: round pick, a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, exception round pick.

842
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: The more you can do, yeah, the more you can

843
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 5: do keeps you around, you know, special teams.

844
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: Back then, and even even when I was grew up,

845
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: you did everything. In other words, you played every sport.

846
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: You know how many times I threw a football during

847
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: the off season in high school.

848
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 5: And college boom.

849
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: I never went out, let's go out and throw and

850
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: run some routes. So that just never happened. We were

851
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: all playing baseball doing not some everybody and I can't

852
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: imagine even back then. That's why they were so well versed,

853
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: being all around athletes. You know, oh, you run the

854
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: ball well, you can throw well. I bet you can

855
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: kick too. You want to kick. Yeah, kick.

856
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, hey had four hundred and seventy nine points

857
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: in his career and when he retired, he had the

858
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: most points in Giant's history because he ran it, he kicked,

859
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: he did everything.

860
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Remarkable.

861
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: One more name from the past, and then I have

862
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: some more questions for you guys. Jimmy Patten comes in

863
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: at number twenty, and Jimmy Patten was as good as

864
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: it gets. Emlyintonell holds the franchise record for the most

865
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: interception return yardage twelve hundred.

866
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: That's a lot.

867
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Patten is second, and he's still second in the

868
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Giants all time list of interceptions. It's fifty two.

869
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: It's incredible.

870
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: Fifty two year. What year was this? Emily Okay, Emilytonell.

871
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: So he was drafted by the Giants in nineteen fifty five,

872
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: was on the fifty six championship team.

873
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 5: They didn't throw the ball a lot. Yeah.

874
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: He was five time first team All Pro, once a

875
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: second team All Pro Pro Bowls, And you know, you

876
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: think about Jimmy Patten and Emmlintonell, and those guys were

877
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: literally Emlyintonell's nickname was Mister Offense. On defense, but Jimmy

878
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: Patten was just as potent offensively this team it was.

879
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: That's a remarkable and you know, five time first team All.

880
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 3: Pro not in the Hall of Fame.

881
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: That's like, okay, yeah, that's an oversight there. One second

882
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: team All Pro. And I believe fifty two is the

883
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: number of interceptions that Dion Sanders had.

884
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: Somewhere around there.

885
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to and he was playing twelve games back. Yeah,

886
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: hadn't even gotten fourteen.

887
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it is strange. You know why some people

888
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: are not in the Hall of Fame always ago They're

889
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: trying to keep the numbers down whatever, But I don't

890
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: understand that.

891
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like a deserving player, Yeah, be in regardless.

892
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Yea, in nineteen fifty eighty had eleven picks.

893
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's those numbers. And I don't care

894
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: what age and what time and what do we think

895
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: about pro football or anything like that, but yeah, maybe someday.

896
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: Well is it twenty thousand players have been in the NFL,

897
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: I believe.

898
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: And it's less than four hundred who were in the

899
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

900
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 5: It truly is this exclusive very I forget already. It

901
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 5: is hearts three eighty something and he was two classes ago,

902
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 5: so it's probably it's under under.

903
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: Four Hundredah, yeah, mister Marra. We talked about him as

904
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: a scout, talked about both of you were fortunate enough

905
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: in your careers to really get to know the man

906
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: when you first met him. What was it like for you?

907
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 5: It felt intimidating when I first met met mister Marra

908
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: because he was quiet, and I mean until I came

909
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 5: out of my shell, I was quiet too, so it

910
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: was it was comfortable, but just there's a reverence around him.

911
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: He was so much about his family, and I feel

912
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 5: so fortunate because I got asked to go up to

913
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: their home when he was on his deathbed. And I

914
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 5: walked into the into the and of the house and

915
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: Jeremy Shockey was leaving, and he said, they're all in there,

916
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what do you mean. He's like every child,

917
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 5: every grand kid, They're all there. And before I left,

918
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: I got a chance to sit by his bedside and

919
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 5: I said to him, well in tonight, mister Marra, thank

920
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: you for making me a giant. My life is what

921
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 5: it is because you gave me the opportunity. And I

922
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: got to say my piece with him. And it was

923
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 5: something I'll never ever forget. But the memories of him

924
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: coming to the practice with his little cane slash chair

925
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 5: is what I always remember.

926
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: He just walked down.

927
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: He'd go sit at the end of the field and

928
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: just watch. Yeah, just sit there and watch. He didn't

929
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 5: say anything, so it wasn't like he was yelling at

930
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: us or or judging us or anything, but you knew

931
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: he was watching. And the only time he ever spoke

932
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 5: to the team in mass at Us was right after

933
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: Jim Fossil decided that he was going to stay on

934
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: for the season but he was essentially fired and Wellington

935
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: Era gets in front of the top, in front of

936
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 5: the room and says, basically, we gotta win. And some

937
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: of you guys aren't gonna be here. Look to your

938
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 5: right and look to your left. Two of you aren't

939
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: gonna be here.

940
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

941
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: And it was like wow, it was like you never

942
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 5: hurt him say anything. When he said something, it was powerful.

943
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I think about him all the time,

944
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: not only him, but the whole family, and it's just

945
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: amazing to see how his love and respect for the

946
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: game is. The whole family, I mean, the sons, the daughters,

947
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: they're so the daughters. I mean, man, they're into it too.

948
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: But my thoughts are about this mister Merritt. You know

949
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: our relationship. You know probably what hurt It hurt me

950
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: a lot of times because I felt like I was

951
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: letting him down when it wasn't going well, we lost

952
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: the game or didn't play a certain way. And I

953
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: had such great respect for him. You know, back when

954
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: I was playing, he was still he'd come out, but

955
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: he kept his eyes on the practice, but he would

956
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: walk around the field to get his exercise in. And

957
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: when he would come on the field though, I always

958
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: noticed it and go, okay, I got tightened up a

959
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: little bit here. You know, let's be careful what I

960
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: say and let's make sure I do the right thing.

961
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: So his presence without talking was tremendous, and I don't know,

962
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: I feel bad that I didn't show as much as

963
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: much appreciation as I probably should as I was playing.

964
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 5: I don't think he don't think we knew how Yeah, no,

965
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 5: I don't think we knew what to do.

966
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: I love shaking his hand after we won. Yeah, he'd

967
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: shake my hand after losses too, but I did. It

968
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: was just something I could see it right. He won

969
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: and I won't even say what teams if we beat.

970
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: He loved that handshake. It was you know, there was

971
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: a couple there. He took personal and it was real and.

972
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Uh Dallas right.

973
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 5: But you're right about the family, Phil like everybody in

974
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: the family. Oh you feel like an extension of him, Yes,

975
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 5: through all of his kids and his grandkids. I'm never

976
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 5: LeVar Arrington said this, who formiliars with Washington And he

977
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: came to the Giants and he's here for a year

978
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 5: or so. Then he tore his achilles and his career ended.

979
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 5: But I remember having this conversation with him. He said, Tek,

980
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 5: you know, the difference is between here in Washington. He said,

981
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: when you talk to somebody in Washington, they don't really care.

982
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: When you talk to somebody here, that person could be

983
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 5: the owner, right, or it's the extension of the owner.

984
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 5: The family is everywhere, and that's one of the things

985
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful for is to get close to them,

986
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: in particular one of his grandkids, Tim McDonald, who is

987
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: here now.

988
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: Sure.

989
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 5: And I had so many interesting games in my career.

990
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: There's only one that I remember every moment of and

991
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: that was the game after Wellington passed away. We played

992
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 5: Washington at home, and it was one of my greatest games.

993
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: Two hundred plus yards and I scored a touchdown on

994
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: my last play of the game. And I took that

995
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: football and I ran it over to Timmy and I

996
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 5: gave it to him. I said, this is for you

997
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 5: and for your family and your grandfather. Thank you for

998
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 5: letting me be a giant. And we destroyed them that day.

999
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: But it was my last play of the game, and

1000
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 5: I mean it was the only way I can honor him.

1001
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a beautiful remembrance. Phil.

1002
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: In ninety two training camp, there was a rumor that

1003
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: you were going to go be traded to San Diego,

1004
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: was her Yeah, so willing to marry. He didn't talk

1005
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 4: much to the press, but when he did he made news.

1006
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: He marched into the press room, he says, excuse me,

1007
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 4: I have something to say. I've seen in the papers

1008
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 4: that Phil Simms might be on the move to be traded.

1009
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this right now, right here, right now.

1010
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: He is not being traded today, tomorrow, this month, this year,

1011
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: or in the twentieth century.

1012
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 3: Thank you, and he walked out.

1013
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: It was phenomenal to the point he did two walk offs.

1014
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: He did that, and when Bavaro was released, he stormed

1015
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: in and he was very angry, and he made it

1016
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: very clear that that was not his decision, but as

1017
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: the owner, he would allow his football people to handle.

1018
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. I never saw mister Marra that

1019
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: mad on that day with Bavar.

1020
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: I can see why, you know, because you know, just

1021
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: talking about Mark, all that he did and all he said,

1022
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: sacrifice in his life and everything to be the player

1023
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: that he was. And of course you can't do anything.

1024
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: I can imagine if for an owner you just can't

1025
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: show enough appreciation the players sometimes for what they do

1026
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: and what they sacrifice.

1027
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, this has been awesome. I appreciate your work as

1028
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: part of being this thirteen member Blue Ribbon panel to

1029
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: help us get to this point. Phil Tiki, awesome stuff.

1030
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

1031
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: Great to be a part of it. Thank you so much.

1032
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,920
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1033
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,000
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1034
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: number one and looking at the top one hundred Giants

1035
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,560
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00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,040
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