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Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts. On this Red Table Talk. I couldn't
Speaker 1: forgive anyone if they crossed the line with me, if
Speaker 1: they didn't stick up for me. It's like out out.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with a whole different Chelsea right now.
Speaker 1: And that was after my father dragged me out of
Speaker 1: their house by my hair. Did you feel like you
Speaker 1: were the white girl that was going to come in
Speaker 1: and fix the family. I went up to her and
Speaker 1: I slapped her on the butt and yeah, And she
Speaker 1: said black women have been defined by their hair and
Speaker 1: their asses for ages. You have no right to touch
Speaker 1: my body. This is just such classic white privilege right here. Yes,
Speaker 1: can we get the gating? Very excited to be on
Speaker 1: the Red Table today. This is serious, can you say
Speaker 1: on Red Table? I hope so. If not, I'm at
Speaker 1: the wrong show. Things like that pop out of my
Speaker 1: mouth so easily. The last time I saw Chelsea was
Speaker 1: at her show. Okay, I've met Jenna Bigott spens out.
Speaker 1: Great thing about Chelsea is as she's a stray shooter.
Speaker 1: It's hard to find people, specifically white people that want
Speaker 1: to talk about I want to talk about it. You know,
Speaker 1: Mommy is always tell us when you're born white, you're
Speaker 1: born with your foot in the door. And that's real talk.
Speaker 1: That's the truth, right. A lot of white people don't
Speaker 1: feel like that. Okay, Well, yeah, moving on, ladies, ladies, ladies,
Speaker 1: chel Oh, nice to meet you, know you Gamble. Everybody
Speaker 1: calls me Gary, Welcome to the table, tolsee. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having me. I'm really really excited to
Speaker 1: have you here because white privilege. This is the topic
Speaker 1: that we we talked about a lot. And I know
Speaker 1: you're a straight shooter, all right, I hope, but I'm
Speaker 1: screw it up too bad for you. You want not
Speaker 1: screw it up at all. I'm telling you it's gonna
Speaker 1: be good. So my understanding is that you kind of
Speaker 1: had a a space in your life where you really
Speaker 1: had to kind of deal with some of your anger
Speaker 1: and really look at some internal issues that brought you
Speaker 1: to explore white privilege. Well, I had a big shift
Speaker 1: in therapy. I came from a lot of anger. Like
Speaker 1: I was very tough, very like I could take care
Speaker 1: of myself. I don't need a man on a new
Speaker 1: babies back off, you know. I just had this huge
Speaker 1: kind of shield up around me which didn't allow vulnerability
Speaker 1: until I went to therapy and learned that I was
Speaker 1: mourning the loss of my brother from nine and I
Speaker 1: was still pissed about that I didn't anger is your
Speaker 1: cover for being in deep pain. I'm sorry that I'm
Speaker 1: forty four and just learning about this now, but better
Speaker 1: late to the party than never to show up at all.
Speaker 1: One day, my psychiatrists walked in and handed me an orange,
Speaker 1: and I remember my seeing my body like I was
Speaker 1: revolted that a man handed me something. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you hate men doing anything nice for you,
Speaker 1: And when he handed it to me, I just became undone.
Speaker 1: I said, I need to tell you about the day
Speaker 1: my brother died and what happened to my family, because
Speaker 1: him handing me something, just doing something. He picked an
Speaker 1: orange off of his tree in his backyard and gave
Speaker 1: it to me, and it was the nicest thing any
Speaker 1: man has done for me. So I'm peeling the orange,
Speaker 1: you know, foaming at the mouth, I'm like slobbering. It
Speaker 1: was the first time I was able to release my pain,
Speaker 1: release my anger. I didn't know that I was mad
Speaker 1: at my brother for dying. I thought I was upset
Speaker 1: or heard and that I was okay and I put
Speaker 1: it away. Are you comfortable sharing what happened to your brother? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I was the youngest of six. He was the oldest.
Speaker 1: His name was Chat. We did everything together and he
Speaker 1: went on a trip to go hiking in the Grand
Speaker 1: Tetons and he felt so The night before he left,
Speaker 1: he said he was coming back and said to me,
Speaker 1: I'll never leave you with this family, like talking about
Speaker 1: my parents because they were a little bit and uh,
Speaker 1: that was the last conversation I had. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we get stuck in victimhood. Also we want to blame
Speaker 1: somebody else for bad things. Guess how many other people's
Speaker 1: brothers died millions? You know. When I had a professional
Speaker 1: explained that to me that I had spent my last
Speaker 1: thirty some years being angry at men for disappointing me,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that makes perfect sense. Why I
Speaker 1: can't be with somebody and why I need to do
Speaker 1: everything on my own and you know, no dependence. I
Speaker 1: don't want to depend on anyone. People can depend on
Speaker 1: me and I'll show up, show up, shop shop, but
Speaker 1: no one. I can never depend on another person. Did
Speaker 1: you find that your rage affected your relationships with men? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would, you know, if they didn't do
Speaker 1: something wrong, I'd make sure they did. You know, all FRAMEO, like,
Speaker 1: I know what's going to happen here, So let me
Speaker 1: just set this up so I can dump you, you know,
Speaker 1: in that deep impulsiveness, really bad impulsiveness and very Yeah,
Speaker 1: just fly off the handle, you know, break up with somebody,
Speaker 1: get back together with them the next day. I never
Speaker 1: really had a healthy I've had some too long term relationships,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't describe either one of them as healthy.
Speaker 1: I couldn't forgive anyone if they crossed the line with me,
Speaker 1: if they weren't a loyal friend, if they didn't stick
Speaker 1: up for me. It's like out out And then eventually
Speaker 1: you're like, well, who's here? Who love exactly? Like it's
Speaker 1: nice to be an adult for the first time in
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, I feel like that. I'm just now
Speaker 1: entering an adult relationship with Will after we finally are
Speaker 1: learning to have an adult relationship. I feel so different
Speaker 1: than I've ever felt before. Now I'm on stage, I
Speaker 1: don't drink before I go on stage anymore. Like I
Speaker 1: used to just be like whatever, the second show would
Speaker 1: be gone, and I'd be like, that's vaguely memorable, you know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't have any respect for my own art. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are there people in your life that you feel like
Speaker 1: you need to make amends too? I've made amends with
Speaker 1: some people in my life, you know, like that's not
Speaker 1: comfortable for me, you know, I definitely it's probably not
Speaker 1: for most of them. It's not so I resisted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, just in my process to recognizing places where
Speaker 1: I might have hurt people and looking at where I've
Speaker 1: been a mean girl, looking at where I've been a
Speaker 1: mean wife, for mean mom, just mean you know. So
Speaker 1: it's so funny because you know, I never really looked
Speaker 1: at myself as being mean. I know, like that, don't
Speaker 1: be like that. No, you don't know that's that. No,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing in our family. We're considered the
Speaker 1: mean ones in the family. Absolutely, And I've really been
Speaker 1: working on that. I have been working on that for years.
Speaker 1: It's really really hard to shape and I had to
Speaker 1: dismantle that a long time ago because I don't want
Speaker 1: to behave like that. I want to be a girl's girl.
Speaker 1: That's why I grew up with sisters, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a sister to everybody, not just the women
Speaker 1: I like. Right, you know, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: best friends with everybody. As my best friend Mary McCormick says,
Speaker 1: we're probably telling me to get the hell away, friend.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be best friends with everybody, but
Speaker 1: you have to be a sister everybody. Listen. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here with a whole different Chelsea right now, which is great.
Speaker 1: I just really like, I'm like, look at miss Chelsea.
Speaker 1: Miss Chelsea has been doing a work, honey. So as
Speaker 1: part of our evolution, Chelsea made a controversial documentary, Hello Privilege.
Speaker 1: It's me Chelsea, about a difficult topic. I'm clearly the
Speaker 1: beneficiary of white privilege. I want to know how to
Speaker 1: be a better white person to people of color. We
Speaker 1: need to talk to people who are white and stop
Speaker 1: asking black people to solve our problems. Do you think
Speaker 1: it exists? I wouldn't say it's totally non existent, but
Speaker 1: not something about a savory but would you see it
Speaker 1: if you're white. Yeah, I had to get therapy before
Speaker 1: I shot this, but I had to learn how to
Speaker 1: sit instead of talk and listen. So when you looked
Speaker 1: back at it, did you feel any guilt in regards
Speaker 1: to white privilege? Yes? Do you know when you look
Speaker 1: at your life and you looked at being rewarded, even
Speaker 1: in Hollywood for my bad behavior which was considered bad,
Speaker 1: but I was being rewarded like a black girl would
Speaker 1: never have gotten her own show to tell celebrities how
Speaker 1: stupid they were. Never Like I would go to Mixed Nuts,
Speaker 1: which was a black comedy club, and I had this
Speaker 1: black best friend, Chandrella, and I always go to her club,
Speaker 1: but she could never come to my club. She could,
Speaker 1: but she wouldn't get spots. I mean, just the examples.
Speaker 1: When I go back and reflect, I'm like, oh, you idiot,
Speaker 1: this the like you are a beneficiary of white privilege
Speaker 1: to such a degree, like you are the American white dream.
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah? I can't. I didn't go to college
Speaker 1: and think I needed to. Couldn't bother you know, right.
Speaker 1: I just thought I was like, oh, I've got something
Speaker 1: to say. I'm sure people will be interested in that
Speaker 1: So I want to know that moment where your heart
Speaker 1: cracked open and there was a level of compassion that
Speaker 1: made you just go Chelsea, we have to understand how
Speaker 1: we're participating in this white privilege idea. Okay, Tayshawn my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend from high school. I did him for two years.
Speaker 1: I got pregnant a couple of times. I lived with
Speaker 1: his family. His mother was a crackhead at the time,
Speaker 1: she was on and off drugs. She was sober, and
Speaker 1: so I was always helping out at the house. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I thought I was
Speaker 1: doing there. I was sixteen years old. You know, did
Speaker 1: you feel like, like, did you have that kind of
Speaker 1: white savior thing happening going on with you when you
Speaker 1: moved into his house? Did you feel like you were
Speaker 1: the white girl that was going to come in and
Speaker 1: fix the family. No? I think I came in. You know,
Speaker 1: in my family, I was the problem child, and I
Speaker 1: think in their family I wasn't. I was a good kid,
Speaker 1: and I like that. I liked being the responsible one.
Speaker 1: His mom would go out all night and leave me
Speaker 1: with her two little to see, that's a little bit
Speaker 1: little white savior in there. Well, yeah, but at that
Speaker 1: age it was right now it would be. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to be helpful, like I was finally helpful in
Speaker 1: a household. I was congratulating myself at that age, like
Speaker 1: I don't care about color. I love these people. I
Speaker 1: loved his family. That was what I was focused on.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about him because I was at my
Speaker 1: own ass for a very long time, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, instead of my sister saying these words
Speaker 1: to me, you know how easy it was for you
Speaker 1: to go into his world and leave. Think about what
Speaker 1: would be like to bring him into your world and
Speaker 1: how long he would last there. And that was, you know,
Speaker 1: after my father dragged me out of their house by
Speaker 1: my hair. At that point. You got in trouble a
Speaker 1: lot when we were together, and I was always not
Speaker 1: able to skirt out of the trouble. Like I remember
Speaker 1: getting pulled over like four or five times on my
Speaker 1: way home to the house when I had been drinking.
Speaker 1: I had like five people in the car, and every
Speaker 1: single time I got through it. No, but she had
Speaker 1: the COMPLEXI want to connection. Wow. I was in some
Speaker 1: pretty hairy situations that I never ever paid the price for.
Speaker 1: Never Tyshawn was wasn't dealing drugs initially at the end,
Speaker 1: he was, but getting caught, you know, three times with weed.
Speaker 1: He got arrested all three times, and I was let
Speaker 1: go at the time. White privilege but didn't occur to
Speaker 1: me at the time. I thought I have a great personality,
Speaker 1: like and I'm cute, like that must be it. It
Speaker 1: didn't occur to me until I had to go back
Speaker 1: and actually look at that. I grew up thinking the
Speaker 1: police were there to protect me. That's not how people
Speaker 1: of color grow up. They don't think of that. Getting
Speaker 1: pulled over is a life or death experience. Life or death.
Speaker 1: I've been pulled over and yelled at the officers, yelled
Speaker 1: like what do you think you're doing? You know, before
Speaker 1: I was famous, just out of my entitlement, just been like,
Speaker 1: you can't arrest me my father will my father? I mean,
Speaker 1: my father was a used car dealer. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I was gonna about, but I was just like
Speaker 1: and you know, and I were it worked. I was
Speaker 1: just like, had this mouth on me and I could
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh yeah, like police are safe. I
Speaker 1: had a lot of revelation in watching your documentary, seeing
Speaker 1: how white people could actually be confused by the idea
Speaker 1: of white privilege and why there would be some white
Speaker 1: people that believe that white privilege is non existent. So
Speaker 1: what we're filming is a documentary on white privilege to
Speaker 1: see if it exists or if it's a fantasy that
Speaker 1: people are just making up in their heads. What do
Speaker 1: you think. I think it's something they're making up in
Speaker 1: their heads. You don't think it exists. I had the
Speaker 1: same privileges that the other guys had, and what other guys,
Speaker 1: other guys, black, white, Hispanic, right, I think everybody makes
Speaker 1: their all twists. You were surprised about that. I was
Speaker 1: surprised because because privilege to a lot of people is
Speaker 1: related to money. That's how I thought of it, right,
Speaker 1: And I read a line in a book that said,
Speaker 1: too many people equality feels like a loss. Right, And
Speaker 1: that's the moment that was the line. I'm very big
Speaker 1: on one line taking equality feels like a loss. And
Speaker 1: then I thought, what would I be willing to give
Speaker 1: up in the name of equality? Right? If I really were,
Speaker 1: if you were to say to me, hey, give me
Speaker 1: your house and everything's gonna be fair and equal, right, sure, right?
Speaker 1: But what would individuals who who have nothing to give, right,
Speaker 1: be okay with giving. So I feel like if you're
Speaker 1: born white, you're born with your foot in the door. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I've set down and broken bread with underprivileged white people, right,
Speaker 1: So I could see how there would be white people
Speaker 1: in America that would say, I don't know how I'm
Speaker 1: paying my bills, I don't know how I'm going to
Speaker 1: get my kid into college. Privilege. Oh you're struggling. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And I think that's a defining word,
Speaker 1: thou struggle. I've had hard times in my life, but
Speaker 1: I've never struggled to eat, to have food on the table,
Speaker 1: worried about my next job in a real way. Right.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of white people in this
Speaker 1: country that do absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying white
Speaker 1: people struggle. Absolutely, But that's a good words to use,
Speaker 1: and it is intimidating because people don't want to get
Speaker 1: out of their comfort zones that people who say I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see racism. It's because you don't know
Speaker 1: any black people, So when would you witness it? So
Speaker 1: have you come up with a definition that you feel
Speaker 1: really describes white privilege? And I always use the example
Speaker 1: that you know, going into a grocery store as a
Speaker 1: white person is totally different than going into the grocery
Speaker 1: store as a black person. No one's looking at you
Speaker 1: to screw up, no one's looking at you to take something,
Speaker 1: No one suspects anything. Do you every times I've walked
Speaker 1: out of grocery stores because the line was too long
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like waiting, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is annoying, I'm just gonna take it and shoplifted. I mean,
Speaker 1: talk about entitlement and privilege. I just knew I wouldn't
Speaker 1: get caught. But when when you were talking to that
Speaker 1: group of Republican women in the documentary, to me, that
Speaker 1: was I can't get it out. I felt like, are
Speaker 1: you living under a rock? There was not only an unawareness,
Speaker 1: but um a righteousness about it, righteousness and just unconcerned. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't get anywhere by being white and having a privilege.
Speaker 1: I got there because I worked my ass off, right,
Speaker 1: So okay, I can respect that. What's your what's your situation?
Speaker 1: My take on the white privileged thing is, I mean,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna say there's white privilege, then you would
Speaker 1: have to say that there's some form of privilege for
Speaker 1: any race or any gender, any religion. If you're an
Speaker 1: attractive woman, you have a privilege. I think there's all
Speaker 1: different kinds of privileges. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: privilege is the right word. Do you think black people
Speaker 1: have privilege and every every race, Like I said, every privilege?
Speaker 1: Do people of color get the college admission? Now? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of a big one. That's a
Speaker 1: certain percentage have to be hired. Do you think that's wrong?
Speaker 1: Not that that's wrong, but to really feel like you
Speaker 1: need to hire someone based on their skin color, it
Speaker 1: seems wrong. Isn't it kind of the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, let's give people who we were oppressing
Speaker 1: for so long a little bit of a head start,
Speaker 1: a little bit of an opportunity, since we've all benefited
Speaker 1: from those opportunities. I know you don't think that you have.
Speaker 1: I definitely think I've benefited from the color of my skin.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have gotten away with my
Speaker 1: career if I were a black girl. Part of me
Speaker 1: thinks it's time to move on and not get off.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about it this country. We're in a
Speaker 1: really really bad space right now. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us just are like just
Speaker 1: throw up our hands and don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: If any of those women had any black friends, somebody
Speaker 1: in their life that's black that they actually love, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they do not what they have the same
Speaker 1: right ideas. But if you if you have no close
Speaker 1: relationship with anybody black, then you're gonna be like, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you'll know, right, And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this whole attitude, but oh it racism,
Speaker 1: it's minimal, and they just need to get over it.
Speaker 1: What yeah, that is I mean that's in sensing obviously,
Speaker 1: and it's also you know, yeah, they don't want to
Speaker 1: be blamed for you know, their ancestors. It's like if
Speaker 1: you can't admit, you know, you're resisting the idea that's happening.
Speaker 1: So there's no shame in saying, yes, this is an epidemic,
Speaker 1: this is terrible, this is a result of you know,
Speaker 1: of our history, and we have to fix it. Like
Speaker 1: until everybody can come to the table and say, hey,
Speaker 1: yeah this is going on, now, teach me learn, let's learn,
Speaker 1: because that's how I feel. I want to learn more
Speaker 1: and more more and do the right thing. I had
Speaker 1: a white friend the other day who said something that
Speaker 1: was offensive that she didn't know was offensive about another
Speaker 1: black person's features. And I had to pull my girlfriend
Speaker 1: over and I was like, you can't do that, and
Speaker 1: she said, tell me what I did. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: you're Jewish. If I had said, I could tell that
Speaker 1: you're Jewish because of your nose, yeah right, yeah. And
Speaker 1: I know you're not gonna like this, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you because it was a learning point. But I
Speaker 1: have done things like that in my life. This black
Speaker 1: woman was standing up singing a song and I went
Speaker 1: up to her and I said, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: was beautiful and I hugged her and I slapped her
Speaker 1: on the butt and yeah, I'm shocked a full right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah you are, and so is she. And she said
Speaker 1: black women have been defined by their hair and their
Speaker 1: asses for ages. You have no right to touch my body.
Speaker 1: And she said it's not about your intention, it's about
Speaker 1: the reception. And that was, Oh, it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: smack everybody on the ass. I smacked my sisters. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be I shouldn't be smacking anybody on their body
Speaker 1: because it's disrespectful because I'm not taking into account other
Speaker 1: people's experiences. So that was another lightbulb moment. So now
Speaker 1: when I'm like, when people are like, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean anything by it, it's like, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you didn't mean anything by it. It It was received that way.
Speaker 1: You can't deny that not somebody's feeling badly because of
Speaker 1: your action. Yeah, this is just such classic white privilege
Speaker 1: right here, is because it's how you move about in
Speaker 1: the world. It's just a total unawareness totally. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: for me and and probably my generation that we just
Speaker 1: are very very impatient with now. So while you're asking
Speaker 1: me to be compassion and I'm like, girl by with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay again, we can we can blue. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I've heard it curse like seventeen times. But it is
Speaker 1: so up to white people to fix this problem. It's
Speaker 1: not right exactly. That is by the pressure. I understand
Speaker 1: that you're fed up. I would be fed up too.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I don't have any answers. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the solution is, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what I want you to do, right, I know what
Speaker 1: I want done. I just want some compassion because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think the biggest issue
Speaker 1: is that part of the privilege is that you don't
Speaker 1: have to give up until it's time to give up,
Speaker 1: and that comes at different points. That's what happened today
Speaker 1: for sure, that I didn't have to That's exactly right,
Speaker 1: because I think the biggest issue for me as a
Speaker 1: white person is that everybody is so scared to ask questions.
Speaker 1: They're so scared to have uncomfortable conversations. It is hard
Speaker 1: to say to two black women, Hey, what can I say? Like?
Speaker 1: I want to be you know, I don't I want
Speaker 1: to be respectful and I want to be inclusive. Tell
Speaker 1: me how I want to ask those questions because I
Speaker 1: want to be educated. I want to ask, you know,
Speaker 1: any sort of marginalized group, what is the most respectful
Speaker 1: way to refer to you? To include you, you gotta
Speaker 1: go head first into deep things and get in trouble
Speaker 1: and say stupid things to learn how to say smarter things.
Speaker 1: But I also think them for people to say stupid
Speaker 1: stuff sometimes because at the end of the day, what
Speaker 1: we can't deny as black people is that white privilege
Speaker 1: has been going on for so long that there is
Speaker 1: an unconsciousness and not every slip of the mouth, not
Speaker 1: every you know, not every action is racist. It's just
Speaker 1: not knowing and habits. It's bad habits. I did this thing.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing a black man outside of my house
Speaker 1: in bel Air, at my neighbor's yard, and I was
Speaker 1: so over the top ridiculous about accepting. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: Chelsea's like, what are you doing? Like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like too like overly solicitous. And of course I met
Speaker 1: with this female director, a black woman, who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you do that, black people, we know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And it's annoying. And that's me over compensating. It's about
Speaker 1: starting the conversation. And white people are so defensive about
Speaker 1: white privilege because if they admit that they are benefiting
Speaker 1: from it, then they have to do something about it.
Speaker 1: White people are They're fragile about this right. They're so
Speaker 1: filled with anger and so filled with rage. And when
Speaker 1: you're so filled with anger and you're so filled with rage,
Speaker 1: you want to put that on something. And I know
Speaker 1: that there's so many of us that you you know,
Speaker 1: it is like white people the problem, but for me.
Speaker 1: I just feel like everybody is coming from a different
Speaker 1: vantage point as well too, So sometimes it just takes
Speaker 1: really continuing the conversation for maybe a point of view
Speaker 1: to really penetrate. Yeah, you know, for the idea to
Speaker 1: actually land. So nice when a doorway like opens up
Speaker 1: in your brain and then it means to all these
Speaker 1: other doorways. But that's why I feel like we can't
Speaker 1: close the door on communication. Chelsea Shada, great, this has
Speaker 1: been fantastic. Thank you so much for having me and
Speaker 1: talking about this. Thank you for welcoming to your beautiful home.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you too, Gammy, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for coming. On the next Red Table Talk, the
Speaker 1: respected evangelical pastor who finally decided to live her truth,
Speaker 1: Pastor Paul is now Paula as Paul. You were married,
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that you loved your wife good to start,
Speaker 1: and what her family thinks, now, okay, my dad's gone
Speaker 1: like this is that there will always be that pain
Speaker 1: all on the next Red Table Talk. It's nice to
Speaker 1: see you happy. Thank you, yeah and just beaming. Now.
Speaker 1: I just gotta get my man and I'll be off
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Speaker 1: talked about our family that there's a big part to
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