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Speaker 1: Good Morning's sweetmirl and welcome to the Nodunk's podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Network. It's Monday, July twentieth on JD skeets

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Speaker 1: and joining us thanks to the power of zoom.

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Speaker 2: Task Milice, Hey everybody.

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Speaker 1: Hey Tassy, we got the international man a mystery taking

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Speaker 1: it to the max, Lee Ellis, Friends, Lily and last

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Speaker 1: but not least, making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: JD.

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Speaker 1: Hello, there he is and here we are, just the

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Speaker 1: four of us today. No, Trey Kirby, he's on his

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Speaker 1: way back from the Midwest. Word is that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be staying the night on Reba McIntyre's farm. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even kidding. Yeah, I guess she has like a

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a horse farm or something,

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Speaker 1: and that's where they plan on stopping on their drive

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Speaker 1: back with their social.

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Speaker 3: Distancing trip from Reba mcintized farm.

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Speaker 2: It's not jo called our owns farm, but it'll.

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Speaker 1: Do, it'll do, it'll do. Before we get into a

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Speaker 1: little housekeeping, make sure you check out the two great

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Speaker 1: podcasts we posted near the end of last week. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: I spoke to NBA two k slash YouTube star and

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Speaker 1: the host of House of Highlights through the Wire podcast

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Speaker 1: Kenny Beacham. That was a really really fun podcast. Great kid.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend you go check that one out. And

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Speaker 1: then on Saturday we posted Lee's Popin' Packs episode with

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Speaker 1: Hawk's Hall of Famer Dominique Wilkins. This was another great listen,

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Speaker 1: though I will say Meek was struggling at times with

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Speaker 1: a couple of the cards lately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do them, I want to throw them,

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Speaker 3: but I often find with the audio guys, if you

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Speaker 3: throw in the guy's college where he played, that tends

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Speaker 3: to turn them around. The big uh pretty pretty knowledgeable

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Speaker 3: at that where everyone played College Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It's true, that's true. But he shared some great stories

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Speaker 1: too and had played like summer Ball with some of

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Speaker 1: the guys that you had planted in that pack and

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. No, it's great. So

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Speaker 1: go check out those podcasts if you haven't already, and

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Speaker 1: if you have already listened, thank you so much. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We're bumping up Beach Step in this week by a day.

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Speaker 1: We're going to record That Bad Boy on Tuesday, which

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Speaker 1: is tomorrow, So you got about twenty four hours here

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Speaker 1: to get your questions and your comments in for the

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Speaker 1: new Beach step In podcast, Email us No Dunks at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic dot com or tweet them in at No

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Speaker 1: Dunk Sync task. You usually spearhead the Beach step In podcast.

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Speaker 1: How are the how are the questions and the comments

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Speaker 1: looking are?

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Speaker 2: We do?

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Speaker 1: We need some good ones still to come in.

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Speaker 2: We always do. But our fans are extremely creative, extremely creative.

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Speaker 2: Even in these times where we haven't had basketball for

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Speaker 2: four freaking months, We've been doing beach steping. We've been

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Speaker 2: doing mailbag podcasts for four months with no games, and

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Speaker 2: they're still coming in. Strangs, true good ones, real good ones. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got lots of tips from my poison ivy. It's

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Speaker 2: it's it's awesome. Thank you so much to everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna wear a suit out there, like a

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Speaker 2: full suit. People are suggesting I wear like a gas

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Speaker 2: mat and stuff. It's not going to happen, but thanks

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Speaker 2: for the suggestions.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, can I kindly request for everybody, all your

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Speaker 1: listeners out there, stop sending me video of the Mavericks

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Speaker 1: playing spike ball. My god, I couldn't believe how many people,

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Speaker 1: especially on Instagram, we're tagging me. Check this out on

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Speaker 1: house highlights, check this out here or whatever. I got it.

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Speaker 1: I saw it. It's amazing. I'm so pumped. We had

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Speaker 1: talked before a long time ago. Hey, NBA teams, they

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Speaker 1: should be playing spike Ball. Build up the camaraderie, you know,

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Speaker 1: just the chemistry between guys. It's fun game, so thank you,

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Speaker 1: But you can now stop. I've seen it. They're also

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Speaker 1: not very good at it, like Lee, You've never even

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Speaker 1: played a spike ball, have you. You and I would

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Speaker 1: wax them. Wow, I wouldn't even need We weren't even

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Speaker 1: a teach of the game. You and I would just

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Speaker 3: So you don't actually have to hit it off the

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Speaker 1: spike ball, yeah exactly, it's just like volleyball where I

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Speaker 3: was like, well, I gotta tag Skeats, go to tag

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great, and I think I was the first one

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Speaker 2: to send it to you, Skeats, But.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly, you were all over it. It was great.

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Speaker 1: But I mean all weekend long task. Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I swear to god, there was like ten a

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Speaker 2: I knew much engagement, too much.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding you guys. Keep tagging it. Go nuts.

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Speaker 1: I would love to play the Mavericks. That's bike bawl though.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, if we can make that happen, let's get

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Speaker 1: to that all right. So we got a fun podcast here,

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Speaker 1: I think for a Monday. The league guys told teams

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Speaker 1: on Friday that none of the seating games will be

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Speaker 1: completed before the July thirtieth restart at Disney World. Typically

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Speaker 1: so let's make our final picks and predictions. We're going

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Speaker 1: I think we'll try and do that collectively, because that

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Speaker 2: It would have been nice if they told the reporters

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Speaker 2: I think they're not going to screw around. Gianni said

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Speaker 2: And so that's what it is. I think he's been

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Speaker 1: to Lebron for the first overall MVP. Bit, But what

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Speaker 3: I had Yannis unanimous around February, but in that sort

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Speaker 3: I had him up to then as about unanimous, but

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Speaker 3: then Lebron did make a strong push and he's not

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you cover Lebron, you around him all

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Speaker 3: He's been great. He's been incredible. He's had a great

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Speaker 3: Yarnas has been the most valuable player all season long

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Speaker 3: He's been incredible. The Bucks have been incredible, and it

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Speaker 3: does it's not a coincidence that they're either the best

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Speaker 3: And when Lebron's on the floor, the Lakers are obviously

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Speaker 3: an incredible team as well. But from what we've seen

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Speaker 3: that he is clearly the MVP in my mind, and

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Speaker 3: he deserves to win this award comfortably. But it won't

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Speaker 3: be unanimous, no, because there is still you know, there's

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Speaker 1: I think no way.

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Speaker 4: So maybe that's an alert time in my book. Remember

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you took it through it. I saw a bleacher

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't think it's so much the

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Speaker 2: But it's a different conversation when you talk about that.

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Speaker 2: So Jannis wasn't on that list. So I think I

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Speaker 2: Janis was dominant for six months. He was he was amazing.

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Speaker 2: of people's top five MVP ballots on their ballots, right, yes,

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Speaker 2: It's a little tough, but hardin. Luca and Anthony Davis

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Speaker 3: I have Luca in there at number three. I think

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Speaker 1: Through that final vote to like Kawhi why is you know?

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler again numbers the numbers there for Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who will be the weirdest guy to get an

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Speaker 1: If you're a betting man, task, who would you lay

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Speaker 1: I mean, because Luca, you're going to assume the numbers

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Speaker 3: not super athletic, and he's not even super quick, you know.

433
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Speaker 3: But he seems to get out there and the ball

434
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 3: just finds him in the right spot. So yeah, I

435
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 3: definitely feel that if it's not next year for Luca,

436
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 3: it's within the next two or three for sure.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of anyone else. Maybe Jokic,

438
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 1: if he came in and just hunt away the first

439
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 1: month of the season like he always does to get

440
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 1: cheap and the Nuggets had a lot.

441
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Speaker 3: Of wins, he was my pick, I think this year Jokich.

442
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, the problem is the stamina and just the

443
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,360
Speaker 3: commitment all season, which I think is just not there

444
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Speaker 3: with him, because he had a bad November, wasn't it,

445
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Speaker 3: I think, And then he had like a good December January,

446
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,959
Speaker 3: but then he kind of went missing a little bit

447
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 3: again towards the end of February. So I think that's

448
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Speaker 3: the concern with Jokic. But no doubt Yokich, I think

449
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: can pile up the numbers and get sort of close

450
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: to that triple double average while shooting decently from three

451
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 3: point range as well. But the Nuggets, the Nuggets need

452
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 3: to win a lot of games. They sort of blew

453
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Speaker 3: a few at home this season as lost. I think

454
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: that detracted from him. But yeah, you just need to

455
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Speaker 3: see Jokic really sort of like commit himself, I think,

456
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Speaker 3: to playing every single night, which he hasn't done yet.

457
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Speaker 1: One more wild card name, let's not forget about him

458
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: because he should be back and healthy. Steph Curry, you

459
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: could go for thirty year game every night if when

460
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 1: healthy again, hitting the threes, shooting so many of them.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not you know when possibly a third MVP.

462
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of these guys you'd probably

463
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Speaker 1: have ahead of them, but I wouldn't.

464
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Speaker 3: I mean when you consider the Warriors this season have

465
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Speaker 3: been an after story, like it could be that, like,

466
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Speaker 3: oh man, we forgot about Steph. He is awesome again,

467
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, like catches people.

468
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Speaker 1: They could go from the worst team in the league

469
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Speaker 1: to very easily the number one team again in the league. Absolutely, Oh,

470
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Speaker 1: we know you'd have the narrative there for sure. For sure.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, let's keep it going, Lee youn go

472
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Speaker 1: first Coach of the Year predictions? Who you got winning this?

473
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot out there that you can make a

474
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Speaker 1: case for.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is always a this is always an interesting

476
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Speaker 3: one because do you say, well, Greg Popovitch is the

477
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: best coach, but the Spurs, clearly not this season, weren't

478
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Speaker 3: going to do so he's not going to win. Do

479
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Speaker 3: you give it to someone like Frank Vogel who just

480
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Speaker 3: got a great team, got a great team, but he

481
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 3: got good results out of them, or do you look

482
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Speaker 3: at someone like Doc Rivers the same sort of situation there.

483
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: Budenhols has got the Bucks playing really good ball again.

484
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Speaker 3: So there's all different sort of narratives and storylines you

485
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Speaker 3: can fit around. But I'm going with a guy who

486
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Speaker 3: I've kind of been on his supporting him all season.

487
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Speaker 3: It's Nick Nurse. I think Nick Nurse because he came

488
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Speaker 3: in with the expectations of this team might even struggle

489
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Speaker 3: to make the playoffs after winning the championship last year

490
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Speaker 3: because they lost their best player and they weren't able

491
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Speaker 3: to replace him.

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Speaker 4: But instead of.

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Speaker 3: That, I think the Raptors were incredibly well prepared. They

494
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Speaker 3: played well, they played hard, and there was no excuses

495
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Speaker 3: at all with that club. And I think that starts

496
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Speaker 3: with the coach where he's like, well, I'm not feeling

497
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Speaker 3: sorry for myself. I know Kyle Lowry and Marcusol aren't

498
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Speaker 3: feeling sorry for themselves. Siakam came along and he was

499
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Speaker 3: an early MVP candidate. He kind of dropped off a

500
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Speaker 3: little bit as the season went on. But I just

501
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Speaker 3: think what Nick Nurse has done for the Raptors to

502
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Speaker 3: keep them relevant and to keep them as a you know,

503
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Speaker 3: a legitimate slash dark horse for the NBA Championship. But

504
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Speaker 3: I think he's done an incredible job. So he gets

505
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Speaker 3: the nod for me, because again, I think it's it's

506
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Speaker 3: harder for a coach to handle expectations and live up

507
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Speaker 3: to them, like kind of like a Frank Voer. He's

508
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Speaker 3: on the hot seat as soon as he accepts that job,

509
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Speaker 3: and he's done a great job. If you look at

510
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Speaker 3: someone like Jeff Horniseeck a few years ago, when the

511
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Speaker 3: Sun sort of shocked everyone and won forty seven games,

512
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Speaker 3: it was like, wow, Jeff Horniseck's great. But then it

513
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: didn't really carry on, it didn't really last. So I

514
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Speaker 3: think what Nick Nurse did was, like everyone thinks the

515
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: Raptors were that, you know, a lucky champion last year,

516
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Speaker 3: they hit they got lucky because Kevin Durant was injured,

517
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Speaker 3: then Clay was injured, and they won, and they had

518
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Speaker 3: Kawhi but they that was like, that was it. That

519
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: was a high watermark. I think what he's done with

520
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Speaker 3: him this season is keep them competitive and key and

521
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Speaker 3: relevant and more than just like, well they're going to

522
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Speaker 3: show up in the playoffs and be first round fodder.

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Speaker 3: I think the Raptors are still a very good chance

524
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Speaker 3: if everything goes right for them in the Houston Conference.

525
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Speaker 3: So he's my choice. Again, lots of lots of good

526
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Speaker 3: candidates out there. You kind of overlook bootenholes, but you

527
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Speaker 3: expect the Bucks to be good because they were good

528
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Speaker 3: last year and he's kind of just keeping them on track.

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Speaker 3: But I think considering what the expectations were coming into

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Speaker 3: the season for Toronto to where they are now, Nick

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Speaker 3: Nurse deserves a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 1: Spoken like a true Homer. What do you think, tass Gum?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy to think back in October the

534
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: range that people had the Raptors in from you know,

535
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Speaker 2: top four to there's that infamous screen grab from NBA

536
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Speaker 2: TV the Predictions and it was our man three D.

537
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: Dennis Scott didn't even have him in his top eight,

538
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Speaker 2: standing alongside former Raptors Coach of the Year Sam Mitchell,

539
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Speaker 2: who put the Raptors at eight and you know three

540
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Speaker 2: D said I was wrong. A few months later three

541
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: deeps Mate didn't didn't dimple believe. But it's it's it

542
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Speaker 2: is well to think of that range. And I think

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Speaker 2: the narrative of Nick Nurse doing the quote unquote most

544
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Speaker 2: with the least is is a it's a it's.

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Speaker 3: A pot entirely not entirely accurate but not. But but again,

546
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: people would just like the Raptors, you know, they might

547
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: even just start being having a fire sail halfway through

548
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: the season thing not doing well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in comparison to the Lakers and the Box

550
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 2: and the Clippers of the good teams, I mean, they

551
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: don't have a superstar quite yet. You know, Siakam is

552
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: on the verge. But yeah, I think I think the

553
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Speaker 2: most with the least and that the you know, from projection,

554
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: it means from where they're projected average was probably you know,

555
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: sixth seventh, eighth in the Eastern Conference to being second.

556
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Speaker 2: That's the that's the biggest jump of any team, I

557
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: think from expectations to actual results. And so NICKI gets it.

558
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: I think there's lots of good stories. But you know,

559
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: Nick also maybe people want to give him a little

560
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: love because they realized his name in last year's postseason.

561
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Speaker 2: They they realized what he did last year in the playoffs,

562
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Speaker 2: and you know, playing the box and one. Nick Nurse

563
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: is wearing a shirt that says boxing one this past

564
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: week in Orlando amazing. So maybe there's a little bit

565
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: of love post finals championship that he's going to get

566
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Speaker 2: because he deserves it.

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Speaker 1: Man, I agree with you guys. I think Nick Nurse

568
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: is ultimately going to win this award, you know, with

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Speaker 1: what percentage of the vote, I don't know, probably fifty

570
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Speaker 1: to sixty percent something like that. I think he'll get

571
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Speaker 1: a fair share of the vote's first overall for Coach

572
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Speaker 1: of the Year. I don't want him to win this.

573
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Speaker 1: I've said it before. I don't know why any Raptors

574
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: fan would want a coach they like to win Coach

575
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: of the Year, because bad things happen to them when

576
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: they do get it. Sam Mitchell. Of course, Dwayne Casey

577
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: wins it and then is fired for crying aloud for

578
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 1: Nick Nurse to replace him and win a championship. So

579
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Speaker 1: I almost hope he doesn't win it, though I think

580
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: he will, But you guys said it he lost two starters.

581
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: I think that is forgotten in the whole Kawhi thing, like, okay, wow,

582
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: you lost Kawhi, maybe the best player in the game

583
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: of the time. He also lost Danny Green. It's like

584
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: a starting guy on a championship team and you got

585
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: killed by the injury bug this year too. Siakam out

586
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: Lowryot gasolout Abaca out Bleet out Normount at times. And

587
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: he just got things out of guys that, quite frankly,

588
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people have never heard of. Chris Bouchet,

589
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: Terrence of Davis, of Rondee Hall, Jefferson suddenly back in.

590
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Speaker 4: Our lives playing Senna to remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing I love about Nurse, And

592
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: I love that he's getting the credit of just not

593
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Speaker 1: being afraid to try things. He's repeatedly spoken about how

594
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: teams have to get more creative on defense to catch

595
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: up to the amazing NBA offenses, and he will give

596
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Speaker 1: it a go. And I love that. Just to what

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Speaker 1: you said though about like preseason expectations task, I saw

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Speaker 1: Eric Korean of The Athletic. He had a great article

599
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Speaker 1: a while ago where he took the twenty nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: pro rated wins because we didn't have a full season,

601
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Speaker 1: so played it out as if it was one versus

602
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: the preseason over unders and then who exceeded expectations the most. Now,

603
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: the Raptors are high on the list. They finished fourth,

604
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: but actually Billy and Oklahoma were the winner in this category.

605
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, they only were pegged to win like thirty

606
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: point five games, and pro rated would be like a

607
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: fifty plus win team fifty one, So that's a hell

608
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: of an increase. Same with the Grizzlies right there, and

609
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: Taylor Jenkins, and then Vogel and the Lakers surprisingly in third,

610
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: and then Nick Nurse and the Raptors. So I thought

611
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: that was interesting. It's really cool article from Mark Korean.

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00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: But you could see and there are cases that be

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: made for Donovan and Jenkins and even Spolster. I think

614
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: a little bit like you said, Budenholzer and the other

615
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: great coaches in the league, but I think Nurse wins this.

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00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, those are all the names that are

617
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: in there. I think you could throw Nate McMillan as

618
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: a guy who sort of exceeded expectations a little bit. Spolsu,

619
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Speaker 2: I think is exactly like the Nick Nurse scenario, getting

620
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: a lot out of undrafted guys, second round guys, young guys,

621
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: G League development and going down from one through twelve

622
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: and getting guys to come up and play big. Yeah,

623
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: it's all what kind of storyline? DL like, Yeah, yeah,

624
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: But I think I want to give Nick Nurse the

625
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: honor just because you know, he won a championship, So

626
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 2: I think that's part of Even if it's the nineteen

627
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: twenty Coach of the Year award, I'm giving it to him.

628
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: I like how we one of the first photos we

629
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: saw him in Orlando, we have the guitar wrapped around him.

630
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: He was he was taking on the essential items down there.

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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

632
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Do you think when they give him the award he

633
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: could play like a little song. Maybe he could write

634
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: something as a thank you.

635
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: It would be nice.

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00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: All right? Our next one my favorite award Most Improved

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Speaker 1: Player of the twenty nineteen twenty season. Tass. Let's to

638
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: your prediction. Who wins this MIP?

639
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: This is tough. I think bam Adebayo is going to

640
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: win it. I think, yeah, I think he's surprised the

641
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: most people. I guess coming out of nowhere as a

642
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: plane as a backup to Hassan Whiteside the poll via

643
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: the Athletic. You know, if we take the writers' guesses,

644
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: would put Bam on that podium as the winner by

645
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: far and away, you know, almost sixty percent of the vote.

646
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: But I would give it to a guy who went

647
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Speaker 2: from really good to superstar level because I don't know.

648
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: I think as basketball nerds, we all expected bam adabaiot

649
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: to eventually get that starter's role in Miami. Would we

650
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: expect him to be an amazing player on the defensive

651
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: end and the sort of the centerpiece of the offense

652
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: and they're probably their most important player. No, but I'm

653
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: given to a guy who's a number one option on

654
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: offense the entire year, and I didn't see it coming.

655
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: And that's Brandon Ingram and so I would you know,

656
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: his numbers of twenty four six and four assists a

657
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: game all career high, as fifty nine shooting percent shooting percentage,

658
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: to me, it was ridiculouly impressive. And maybe it's just

659
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of surprise for me. Going from the Lakers.

660
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: I thought he was he was just sort of always

661
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: going to ride that number two type guy and never

662
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: never really fulfill that number one role, sort of like

663
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, who's also an option in this award. Those

664
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: two guys broke out, and so I'd go with Ingram,

665
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: but Ingram Tatum out of Bio, even Luca, even a

666
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: Christian would dark Horse are probably the five guys you

667
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: can pick from.

668
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like BAM's or Ingram's award. I'm with you.

669
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: You can throw out other names, but I think one

670
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: of those two guys that went to that level, like

671
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: you said, that all star level, you know, maybe you

672
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: know the Zion Ingram pairing is interesting when he saw

673
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: it for less than twenty games. But yeah, these guys

674
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: are elite guys, and that is always a tough jump.

675
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: It's a lot more difficult jump than what Christian Wood

676
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: did right, like, which is impressive. Guy went from basically

677
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: a G leaguer couldn't find a spot in the league

678
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: bouncing around to a really solid thirteen and seven type

679
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: guy on a lowly Pistons team gonna get a payday eventually.

680
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Like good, That's that's impressive, But it's way more difficult

681
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: to do what Ingram did or Bam did, in my opinion,

682
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: And like Luca's there too, but almost Luca goes to

683
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Elite with it. Yeah, and it's like and it's like

684
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: the whole Curry conversation we used to have, like can

685
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: he win out Ip? This might be an MVP. I'm like, yeah,

686
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: even the artists for a corn out loud like that

687
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: to me gets a little silly. But yeah, what do

688
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: you think, Lee? This is funny timing. I saw someone

689
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: just tweeting at us that you called Ingram's all star

690
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: spot on the Starter show like two years ago, three

691
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: years ago.

692
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 3: Somewhere, but I think I think it was in his

693
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: second season. Yeah, I guess that was three years ago. Yeah,

694
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: so Nator, thanks for finding that too. Bailey Larrson, I

695
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: think his name is great.

696
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: Love that you love that.

697
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it comes down to those guys you mentioned,

699
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: Bam brandon Ingram or Jason Tatum. I think Tatum you

700
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: almost have to take him out of this equation because

701
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: we knew this was coming, this jump. You know, you

702
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: could see it happening. I don't think we saw Bam

703
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: quite taking this leap, and Ingram got to a new situation,

704
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: got to a new team, had a new opportunity and

705
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: really grasped it and he took it, and you know,

706
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: he was a very very good player for the for

707
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: the Pelicans this season, the way that he just took

708
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: control of that offense. Now, he and Zion didn't really

709
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: figure it out in those short time together, and that

710
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: is a question going forward for David Griffin there and

711
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: the Pelicans. Can these two work because maybe they can,

712
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: maybe they can't. But I think I think right now

713
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: you want to. Certainly, keeping Ingram's an interesting one because

714
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: as well, the Pelicans didn't extend him last season when

715
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: they could have, so now he is a restricted free agent.

716
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: They can obviously match any offer he gets. But I

717
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: know that that sort of irked him in his camp

718
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: because they wanted to They wanted to, Hey, pay us

719
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: the big bucks. But I think David Griffin did the

720
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: right thing because the potential and the talent has been

721
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: there for Ingram, but we wanted to see it well.

722
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: He answered that he showed that this season. So he's

723
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: going to get He's going to get a lot offers.

724
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: Will he get that sort of big max deal. I'm

725
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: not sure he'll get quite that, but I think he'll

726
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: get pretty pretty close to it.

727
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: I think he'll get it. I think he'll get it

728
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: because especially because the free agent crop.

729
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I mean after Davis, who you assume

730
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: is just going to re sign with the Lakers, there

731
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: isn't that sort of one or two really stand out name.

732
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, he gets he gets very close to it.

733
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: If not the four year max, obviously someone else can

734
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: offer him. The Pelicans can offer him five. But it

735
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: was funny when we look at this.

736
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: I remember I had a guy and I couldn't remember

737
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: who it was who was trying to make a case

738
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: for earlier in the season, and it was Russell Westbrook.

739
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: I remember saying that I think Westbrook.

740
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: Has improved because he's been a guy I've been critical

741
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: of in the past that you know, he goes out

742
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: and gets all these numbers, but it doesn't translate to wins.

743
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: But he turned it around for Houston to the point

744
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: where it's like I've started to sort of believe that

745
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: maybe things could work out because Westbrook had been so good,

746
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: as I mentioned earlier, since the sort of season turned

747
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: over from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty. So he's not

748
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: going to win it. Here's no question he's not gonna win.

749
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: He's almost ineligible to win it being an MVP in

750
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: the past. But I just think that what you saw

751
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: from him, the way that he adjusted his game and

752
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: adapted his game, that should get some consideration, but that

753
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: this award is not about that. This award is whose

754
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: stats basically blew up from last year to this year,

755
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: and that's why it's going to go to someone like

756
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: bam or brandon Ingram or, to a lesser extent, Jason.

757
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: Tatum, who again his numbers went up. And Jason Tatum.

758
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Though what we saw from Jason Tatum was like, Okay,

759
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: franchise guy right there. There's no question about it that

760
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: this guy is ready to be the next big thing

761
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: for the Celtics, and he's only what twenty one.

762
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: I think he is.

763
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: But you saw the moves, the way that he improved

764
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: his ability to score, the way he was clartchy hit

765
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: some big shots, and he wanted the ball in those

766
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: critical moments, and that to me is a sign of

767
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: growth and the Tatum is legit.

768
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: He was an All Star as well.

769
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Although oddly I don't think any of us actually had

770
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: him as an All Star when he got in.

771
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 4: That's what I remember. I think it was because he beate. Yeah,

772
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 4: because he sort of started off a little bit slowly,

773
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: but by the time he really picked it up.

774
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: You and Jillen Brown, didn't you?

775
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh yeah? And Brown was close to being an

776
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: All Star too.

777
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: I think he was probably maybe one of the next

778
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 3: guys to get in if there was an injury replacement.

779
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: I thought he was great too. But yeah, I think

780
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: ultimately I go with Ingram, but a lot of good

781
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 3: cases out there.

782
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only deal with Ingram. I saw this, like

783
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I think it was Bleacher Report wrote this, and I

784
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: was like, is that it good case for him winning?

785
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: It?

786
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Said quote Ingram was critical to the Pelicans early season

787
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: six and twenty two survival. Huh okay, then they turned on.

788
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: They went twenty two and fourteen, a nice run, and

789
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: obviously Zion came back and they got other guys back.

790
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like Zion was injured for a good

791
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: chung of the season, Drew Holliday was out, Lonzo was out,

792
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: Derk Favors was out. Ingram did shoulder much of the load,

793
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: but early season survival, you can't well, you can barely

794
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: be much worse than that.

795
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think again, this award is more about

796
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: just an individual stats it's it's like.

797
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: And his stats are incredible for to me, basically a

798
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: twenty five point per game score and do it as

799
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: efficiently efficiently as he does. Like task said, especially with

800
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: hitting the three this year, he was on fire and

801
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: how many he added to his game, his repertoire that is.

802
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: That's a president. I do think he wins it. I

803
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset if Bam is also given it. I'm

804
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: bummed at my uh my super preseason pick of Siakam

805
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: going back to back and p would have been my

806
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: boldest prediction of all time come true, my greatest prediction

807
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: of all time. And it looked good for what four

808
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: or five weeks? Yeah, maybe six U and then he

809
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: and then he tailed off there, but he was well

810
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: on his way for sure, as as having a legit

811
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: chance a bumping up his numbers enough to win it

812
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: again in back to back seasons. But yeah, Bam or Ingram,

813
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: it sounds like we all think bi slender Man gets

814
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: them IP. I will say again, I've made it clear

815
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: in the past before how much I hate this war,

816
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: but I like the direction it's gone in recently, at

817
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: least of guy that's been in the league A couple

818
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: of years, maybe given more prominent role or is just

819
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: blossomed into like a star type player like we've seen.

820
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: I like that a lot more than some of the

821
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: guys that used to win this damn thing in the past.

822
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: And then all this talk about a second year guy

823
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: which I hate.

824
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: So well, that should make that maybe make another award

825
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: best second year player, and then most improved, you know how?

826
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, I don't know if we need more awards, but.

827
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Probably shake Gilders Alexander wins that award this year. He

828
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: was my preseason prediction for this award, and he's jumped

829
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: up big time.

830
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: But wait, how many years are Lucas in?

831
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: Second year?

832
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: Second? Okay?

833
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: Winning by a mile? Yeah, well the jump up is

834
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: witness rookie season too. He was good, he was better,

835
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: he was much better. Okay, let's keep it going here.

836
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, so far, Giannis, Nick, Nurse, and Brandon Ingram,

837
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: we all sort of agree on who we think is

838
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: going to win the thing. Defensive Player of the Year

839
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: defense Lee, what you got?

840
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this one's pretty much down to a

841
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: two horse race, and I'm going with Yannis for this too.

842
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: I think his impact on the Bucks defense is unquestionable.

843
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: Like the net rating when Yannis is on the court

844
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: for the Milwaukee Bucks is up to sixteen. This is

845
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: from NBA dot Com, of course, and when he sits,

846
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: it's still it's in the positive. It's still a positive

847
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: net rating of four. But you just look at that

848
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: defensive impact. They're ninety six point five when he's on

849
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: the court versus one oh four point two when he's offered.

850
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: And I think that just shows you that you can

851
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: look at the stats, you can look at the eye

852
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 3: it tests, you can look at the team and all that,

853
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: but for me, Yannis is always chasing down defensive opportunities.

854
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: And by that what I mean by that is like

855
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: whether it's blocking a shot whereether he's trying to sort

856
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: of trap a guy in the corner and suffocate, and

857
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: whether it's just his presence out on the floor changes

858
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: the way the team's offensive approaches. And that's the sort

859
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: of stat that is hard to quantify because it's like

860
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: you see guys when they drive and the same time

861
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: see Yannasa. They they're like, all right, well, I'm just

862
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: getting rid of the ball and see if we can

863
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: get someone else to shoot it. And that just shows

864
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: how athletic he is, how strong he is, how fast

865
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: he is, and how defensively aware he is, which I

866
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: think is a huge, huge thing to consider when it

867
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: comes to a guy's defense. Is he guy who can

868
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: just stand there and block shots, kind of like Rudy

869
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: Gobert at times, you know where it's like he comes

870
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: in and he block shots, Whereas Yannis is out there,

871
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 3: I think like, I'm going to try to create something

872
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: on this possession for the other team, and it can

873
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: often lead to a fast break or a transition basket

874
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: for his own team.

875
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: So I'm going with him.

876
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis has also been great for the Lakers, whose

877
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: defense has improved tremendously this season. But I don't think

878
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis has been as impactful as Yarnis. And again

879
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: I'm not looking at who's got more blocks and who's

880
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: got more steels and things like that. I'm just saying

881
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: I feel when Yannis is on the floor, the Bucks

882
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 3: are a lot harder to score on inside and outside

883
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 3: because they you know, they've got a very good defense boot.

884
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: They have a lot of good talent too, individual defenders

885
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: on that team, and a great system in button I'm

886
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: talking about Bloodsoe and Joycel. When he's out there in Brook,

887
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: Lopez and Middleton's not even that bad.

888
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no bad defenders out there, but I just again,

889
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: I feel that when Yannis is out there, it's like

890
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: he can cover so much ground in such such quick

891
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: time that that he is impactfully the most defensive, you know,

892
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: best defensive player in the league.

893
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: And so that's why I'm going with him.

894
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Tas Jannis doing the sort of the unthinkable. Only Jordan

895
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: and Elijah won have one MVPN Defensive Player of the

896
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Year in the same year. I think he's becomes the

897
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: third guy.

898
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think Anthony Davis will win

899
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: this award. I would vote for Yannis, but I think

900
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: part of it is the Lakers have been extremely great.

901
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: As you said, you know, a huge gap between the

902
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: over under prediction or projection at the beginning of the

903
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: season and what they ended up getting. I don't think

904
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: Frank Voge was gonna win Coach of the Year. I

905
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: don't think Lebron is gonna win MVP, and so going

906
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: down the ballot after Yannis has won MVP, after the

907
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: media picked somebody else for Coach of the Year, I

908
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: think Anthony Davis is going to get the credit for

909
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: the Lakers defense, and he deserves, you know, a ton

910
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: of credit for the Lakers defense. But I am surprised

911
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: at how great the Lakers defense is. But the Bucks

912
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: have been far and away the best defense. I think

913
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: Jannis is absolutely all over the place. Is a little

914
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: bit more intimidating than Anthony Davis because of how much

915
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: ground he covers. But Anthony Davis, it is definitely a

916
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: big reason that that team has achieved what it has defensively.

917
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: I remember at the beginning of the season, I thought

918
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: Lakers are just too freaking old to be good defensively,

919
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: and graphics would go up these guys in their defensive

920
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: accolades in the past, like for Gen Rondo and Dwight

921
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 2: Howard and Danny Green and Avery Bradley. But those guys

922
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: are just too old, I thought, and Lebron another another

923
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: year getting a little longer in the tooth. I just

924
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: thought Bradley, Green, Lebron, a d and javail or whoever

925
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: at the five was just not good enough. But they've

926
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: made it work, and I think Anthony Davis is going

927
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: to get the credit for it.

928
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Wow, So you think the ultimately the media might give

929
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: it to him. I'm torn on this. I think Giannis

930
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: does do this. I think he pulls it off, and

931
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: I think he would get my vote. He leads the

932
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: league in like defensive wind shares, defensive rating, defensive rebounds

933
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: on one of the better defensive teams we've ever seen,

934
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: Like they're that good. The Bucks are won, and then like,

935
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: what are the Lakers? It's like raps Lakers. Maybe the

936
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: Celtics are in the mix, but the Bucks are miles

937
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: better than the other teams, like shockingly ahead of them

938
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: of how good they are in the defensive end of

939
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the floor. So almost it feels weird almost not giving

940
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: it to the honest despite him probably getting MVP too.

941
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: But I got no problem with that. I know some

942
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: people think, well, brook Lopez is just as important to

943
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: that team defense. Okay, he's been great his role. I

944
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: get it. Calm on. If there, you take Giannis away

945
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: from that team, you take some of the other perimeter

946
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: guys from that away from that team. Brook Lopez is

947
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: not getting the accolades that he would be getting right now.

948
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. They all have

949
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: to fit together to make an elite defense. But you

950
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: you've gotta be putting Yannis above Brook Lopez for what

951
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: he does on that in the floor as great as

952
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: Brook has been. Other guys too, Marcus Smart and Patrick Beverly,

953
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and Kawai, I mean, all great defendive player,

954
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: but I think Jannie is more impactful.

955
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: Sorry, And you know, well, the thing is like you

957
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: can always make that sort of suit whichever side of

958
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: the argument you want. But you know, one knock on

959
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: Davis is the net rating for the Lakers is better

960
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: when he's off the floor. You know, it is a

961
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: weird one, mean because that you wouldn't just say, well,

962
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: that means a Lake is a better defensively Davis off

963
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: the floor. Of course, they're much better when Davis is

964
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: on the floor, but it also just shows that, you know,

965
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: the net rating difference when he's on the floor and

966
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: off the floor is not significant. When Yannis is off

967
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: the floor, it's hugely different for the Bucks. So you know,

968
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: that's an argument certainly in Davis's in Jannis's favor because

969
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: he just does when he's out there, it improves the

970
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: defense significantly film Milwaukee. But again that's I'm not trying

971
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: to sort of put down Davis. He's been great and

972
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: he's been a good defender most of his career. He's

973
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: a shot locker, he alters shots as well. But as

974
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: I was saying earlier, my point is, I feel that

975
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 3: Jarnis tries to create defensive opportunities more so than maybe

976
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: Kawhi is the only other guy or Patrick Beverley's another

977
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: one like that, Ben Simmons do other guys do it.

978
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: But you know, again, when you're Yannis and you're the

979
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: MVP on the best player on your team, he's doing

980
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: so much offensively, he never takes a playoff on the

981
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: defensive end either.

982
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no one thinks Rudy Gobert has much of

983
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: a chance. I going back to back to back, I don't.

984
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: Think it's been a good y if Rudy go beer.

985
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: You know, the jazz at times, the defense looked a

986
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: little sloppy, and considering how much accolytes he gets for

987
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: when the defense is great, I think he also has

988
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: to take a knock when it hasn't been as good.

989
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: You agree with that.

990
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: Task, yeah, I you know, just just off the floor

991
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: not so good. So I think that hurts him and

992
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: the fact that he's won two in a row also

993
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: hurt him. Yeah, the Jazz didn't meet expectations, while the

994
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: Lakers and the Bucks have exceeded them. So yeah, I

995
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: just don't see it. I mean, there's a Corona joke

996
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
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997
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,839
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998
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,000
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999
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: He'll still likely and I know we're not going to

1000
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1001
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: but Gobert will very likely still be a first or

1002
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,200
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1003
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: Brook will get some love. Ad is always the question

1004
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,840
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1005
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Speaker 1: slot them? But I think Gobert, I mean Bed too.

1006
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: I think he'll still make it. I think I still

1007
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,640
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Speaker 3: ones are actually nice and snug, and they keep everything

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Speaker 3: where it should be.

1074
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 4: There's not too much movement. Download. Yeah.

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00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: We actually you'll usually prefer a boxer brief that I

1076
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: made in grade eight home economics class, which is you're

1077
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: the last person holding onto those type of briefs. But

1078
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: these are these bad boys. So go to manscape dot

1079
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: com today and use the code the athletic twenty. What'd

1080
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: you think of? Do you see the video or a

1081
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: photo going around in zac Efron his dad boughd as

1082
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: the New York Post called.

1083
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's sorry. That's not a dad body.

1084
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: No, that's not a dad bite.

1085
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: That's the complete opposite of the dad. That's a single

1086
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: young guy who's got so much time on his hands.

1087
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: I mean.

1088
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he just had more hair on his chest.

1089
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: That was the only reason they called me that.

1090
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm convinced it's a dad bode is is not defined.

1091
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: Let's say that dad body is where. Yeah, you just

1092
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: you just haven't been able to work out. You haven't

1093
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: been I was stick to your routine and but you're

1094
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: proud of it too.

1095
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: You know, you're a dad. You've got other things to do.

1096
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: You haven't got time to just sit in the gym.

1097
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: And are you rocking the dad bite right now?

1098
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: Then? I'm I'm rocking some sort of bot I tell

1099
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: you it's more the it's more than too much bread

1100
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: and quarantine bite at the moment, it's yeah, man.

1101
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: Can't keep the cabs out of here.

1102
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: No, I can't.

1103
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: Man, carbs are my kryptonite. But that's all right. I

1104
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 4: saw I saw one of those stupid things.

1105
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: Going around Twitter to the other day about how pasta

1106
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: and breads I think it was, are they Actually they

1107
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 3: improve your chance at the long the life.

1108
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: That's it.

1109
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: So you know when you see something like that, you're like,

1110
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: oh great, I'm not even going to read the article.

1111
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm just going to see that headline and use it

1112
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: as a positive and go and keep on aiding more cobs.

1113
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 4: All right, excellent, all.

1114
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: Right, let's get to a couple more awards before we

1115
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: get to all NBA teams Rookie of the Year tasks.

1116
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: Start us off. Any chance Zion in just nineteen games

1117
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: somehow steals this from Ja Morant.

1118
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: You better not, No, I think, yeah, a little hindsight

1119
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: that this break has provided voters will will force them

1120
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: to pick Ja Morant. There's there's just no chance. Like

1121
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: maybe if you were in the moment in March, I

1122
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: think there was definitely a bit more momentum for Zion Williamson,

1123
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: just like there was more momentum for Lebron. I think again,

1124
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: voters aren't getting cute here, They're not getting cute in November.

1125
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: You just go with the guy who provided us with

1126
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: the most incredible moments this season. I think people forget

1127
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: over the course of it was like every week was

1128
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: doing something and I wonder we saw the body of

1129
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: work that that Joamaran had, uh and how much he

1130
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: impacted the game, how much poise he played the game with.

1131
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: And when you compare him to Zion in the future,

1132
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: who is going to play with more poise? Who's going

1133
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: to control and impact the game more? I think there

1134
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: is a chance that job will have more of a

1135
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I guess. I guess impact or control of

1136
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: the game is the way to put it. Over the

1137
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: course of his career, There's there's a chance because he's

1138
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: that good in his rookie year. Although you know, Zion

1139
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: looks to be projected as the better player in the

1140
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: future if he stays healthy. But John Morant was a

1141
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: beast in in this you know, the the games that

1142
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: he played, and he took a team. You know, I

1143
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: guess it's a little bit like the Pelicans. Pelicans situation

1144
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: where uh, you know, a lot of new bodies and

1145
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: he took them to the playoffs and you know, they

1146
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: finished eighth in the Western Conference and that's a heck

1147
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: of an achievement for a rookie. I mean he's their

1148
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: best player, uh, rock in it and doing it and

1149
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: leading every night, and so yeah, there's there shouldn't be.

1150
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, is there going to be a vote

1151
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: for Zion There shouldn't be.

1152
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think this is not

1153
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: This is not Joel Embiid Broggeden, you know, slash Darry

1154
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: Osara if you want to throw him in their situation

1155
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: where Embiid had only played.

1156
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: What was it, he played thirty one game?

1157
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly thirty games. I was gonna say. And then Brogden,

1158
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, despite not having the most sexy rookie numbers,

1159
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: was just mister consistent and was there all year and

1160
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: obviously contributed and he got it. But everybody's like, well

1161
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Joell and bid is probably a better player. But uh,

1162
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: okay that but that's I'm saying, this is not the

1163
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: situation because John Morant has killed it. He's killed it.

1164
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's not a Brogden or a Sara Cheer.

1165
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: He's ranked first in scoring for rookies, first and assists,

1166
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: first in usage percentage, second in value over replacement player,

1167
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: third in win shares, and sixth in field goal percentage

1168
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: and by the way, first among guards at field goal percentage.

1169
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: He's been unbelievable on a good team that has exceeded expectations,

1170
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: and he's their star player. I know he's got the

1171
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: highlights to match, like Task said, I mean, he's got

1172
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: way more highlights than Zion Limbs. And I know Zion

1173
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: hasn't played a ton, but John Rata ten times the amount.

1174
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: So the fourth quarter, yeah, yeah, yeah, there, he won games.

1175
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't just it wasn't just highlights. He took over games,

1176
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: win at team's best players in the fourth quarter because

1177
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: he controlled the game. He's just he's a monster. He's

1178
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: a monster at the point guard position already, and uh,

1179
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: you know, the most could be the most important position

1180
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: of the game, and he's already really really good at it.

1181
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: So they're meaningful points, meaningful minutes, and he's not a

1182
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: hog by any means. He gets everybody involved and then

1183
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: he kicks ass at the end of games. Yeah, I

1184
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: just wonder who's who is gonna be that that voter.

1185
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: No disrespect to Gary Washburn, but who's going to be

1186
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: the Gary Washburn that votes for Carmel Anthony when Lebron

1187
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: James should be m v P. You know, there's there's there,

1188
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: There might be one. There might be one, But I

1189
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: think there's less of a chance now after you know, highsight,

1190
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: we've we're out of the Zion fever that we all

1191
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: had in February and March.

1192
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, especially when you consider that the Pelicans, because

1193
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: of their schedule too and all that being a little easier,

1194
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: they could have caught the Grizzlies, they could have taken

1195
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: the eight seed, and then yeah, then you would have

1196
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: definitely had maybe more voters going, well, okay, he got

1197
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: them in there. I mean, Zion comes back, takes them

1198
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: to the next level. Let's give him the Rookie of

1199
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: the Year vote, and he might be the best player

1200
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: ten years from now. Because that's the other thing some

1201
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: people like to look at this award not what did

1202
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: you do in your rookie season, but like, what am

1203
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: I going to feel comfortable with looking back ten years

1204
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: later and going, oh, we gave it to him. You know,

1205
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't have done that despite you know, less

1206
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: games or less minutes or whatever.

1207
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: What do you think, like an okafor situation that Lee

1208
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: was talking about a few days ago, who he won

1209
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year over Dwight Howard. Maybe had a

1210
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: better season, but if you're projecting right, you go with

1211
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: Dwight out of high school.

1212
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: Do you think anyone will project Lee and throw a

1213
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: vote to Zion in just nineteen games?

1214
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: No, aren't really make a vote for Zion in a

1215
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: serious way over Jamaran Morant was there from the start,

1216
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: and he delivered. And the thing is, you know, it

1217
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: looked for a while that we may not see Zion

1218
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: at all this season because it sort of, you know,

1219
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: kept getting pushed back a little bit further so the

1220
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: fact that he came on and immediately started just putting

1221
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: up twenty point a game. I don't remember exactly what

1222
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: his streak was, but I know he had a crazy

1223
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: streak there, scoring twenty games. He came in and he

1224
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: was ready to play. And we've already seen a few

1225
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: photos of Zion down in Orlando. Looks like he's lost

1226
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of that sort of extra weight that

1227
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: he carried there, he's kind of bulked up. So I'm

1228
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 3: just glad that Zion season we got, we've gotten something

1229
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: out of it, because you know, coming in, we're all

1230
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: hyped up. He's playing those preseason games, and then all

1231
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: of a sudden, we hear, you know, he's hurt his

1232
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: knee and he's out, and it's like, oh my god,

1233
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: this is a disaster.

1234
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: So he came back and was great.

1235
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: But jar Morant was amazing this season to the point where,

1236
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, my fatherly instincts took over where a couple

1237
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: of times I was like, please please take a little

1238
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 3: bit of care when you go into the paint road

1239
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: because you're going to hurt yourself badly. And how he

1240
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: didn't hurt himself more as a surprise to me. And

1241
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, you're almost like, I don't enjoy those highlights

1242
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: as much because I'm like, this is just an accident

1243
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 3: waiting to happen.

1244
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 4: But he was incredible, and not only were his numbers great.

1245
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: As you guys have mentioned there, they were impacting his

1246
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: team to the point where it's like Taylor Jenkins is

1247
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: considered a chance for getting some votes rookie for a

1248
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: coach of the year because of the Grizzlies being in

1249
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Now, no one expects the Grizzlies to do

1250
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 3: any more than perhaps win a game off the first

1251
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: seed in the first round. That would be an incredible

1252
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: achievement for them.

1253
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 4: But Morant is.

1254
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Showing that this guy is legit, and you feel that

1255
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 3: in the coming years, with the right talent around him,

1256
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: the Grizzly should pretty quickly vault up the standings are

1257
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,479
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference because he's a superstar player.

1258
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how close this vote would have been

1259
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: if hypothetically Zion plays well, let's give him half the year.

1260
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: Let's say he plays forty games in a normal season, please,

1261
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: forty games.

1262
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's say he plays those first forty as well.

1263
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: So it's a rice from the stop.

1264
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, yeah, maybe I don't even care about that.

1265
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: But like averages twenty four points per game, which is

1266
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: basically what he scores, you know, incredible efficiencies, like a

1267
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: sixty percent shooter right now in his early part of

1268
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: his career. You know, would it be? But but the

1269
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: Grizzlies steal the eight seed, they hold on to it.

1270
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder, I just wonder how close the

1271
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: vote would have been, Like, would you give it to

1272
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Zion because wow, to score twenty four per game as

1273
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: a rookie, that's amazing and look at his highlights. Or

1274
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: John Moran got the Grizzlies into the eight seed over

1275
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: a full season and average, you know, eighteen and seven.

1276
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: That would have been a close vote, I think, don't

1277
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have gone one way or

1278
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: the other by a landslide. Might you think I'm wrong?

1279
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: I would have been close. Yeah, it would have been close. Yeah. Good.

1280
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: People people love the Zion. People love the Zion, and

1281
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: you know there's the the theorists out there that you know,

1282
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: the NBA packaged this whole twenty two team thing in

1283
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: Orlando to get Zion william in more airtime. And hopefully

1284
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: he's back. He's left for a family emergency and he

1285
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: should be back for you know, the playoffs. But likely

1286
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: to miss the I would guess, likely to miss the

1287
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: first game like he did the first game of the

1288
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: season that TNT has on their broadcast. But people, the

1289
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: theory is out there because people just love people are

1290
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: tuning into New Orleans games. There's no doubt about it.

1291
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: For Zion Williamson in a way that they didn't, you know,

1292
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,479
Speaker 2: for Memphis Grizzlies games, even though we and other people

1293
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: are saying tune in to watch John Moran because he

1294
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: the highlights, the gameplay, the managing a game. He's he's awesome.

1295
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: Final award for the All NBA Teams sixth Man of

1296
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: the Year. There's a lot of candidates, Lee, who do

1297
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: you think wins this one.

1298
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: I'm going with shrewdott out in Oklahoma City. I think

1299
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: I think he's been very good this season and he's

1300
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: he's found a role that he actually is comfortable with.

1301
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: I think, you know, we've talked about it, the way

1302
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: that the thunder have played this season with Chris Paul

1303
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: as their leader, Dennis Shrewd is actually like, you know what,

1304
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: Chris Paul is a legit point guard that I don't

1305
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: mind playing behind. I think he had that problem in Atlanta,

1306
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: not feeling comfortable being a backup point guard. But instead

1307
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: he's realizing that this is a role where he's very

1308
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: good at his good scorer, he can distribute the ball,

1309
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: he's not a bad defender, and you know, putting up

1310
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: decent numbers.

1311
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 4: There's always the guys like.

1312
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: The Lou Williams out there, you know, he just sort

1313
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: of considers it, goes out there and get your buckets,

1314
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: which he does. But I think Shrewder was a very

1315
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: important part of what the Thunder did with that three

1316
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: headed monster of Paul Gilgers, Alexander and Shruder out on

1317
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: the floor occasionally at times, and good closing, good at

1318
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: closing out games. And so I just think he matured

1319
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: a lot this season, accepted that role, played it very

1320
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: very well, and was an underrated part of why the

1321
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: Thunder we're having success.

1322
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 4: So I think he gets award this year.

1323
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: Tat Yeah, I think he's a bit of a story.

1324
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: And even though you said, Skeetz, there's other guys and

1325
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: Lou Williams and Montrez Harrell and Derek Rose out there,

1326
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: I think Shrewder's got Yeah, he's somehow he's got the story.

1327
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: He's also leading the league in pointsberg game off the

1328
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: bench in nineteen points per game, even though he plays

1329
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: like starters minutes. Yeah, he plays at thirty one minutes

1330
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: a game. So do you look at him and say, oh,

1331
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: that's that's a lot of minutes. You're kind of like

1332
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: a starter. Does anyone care? Probably not? I know Trey

1333
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: was pining for Derek Rose hard and I was in

1334
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: Derek Rose's corner for a while. But then he started starting,

1335
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: and you know, he's played about thirty percent of his

1336
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: games as a starter. You know, he had that game

1337
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: winner versus the Pelicans early in the season. He plays

1338
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: less minutes, scores a little bit less than Derek, than

1339
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: Dennis Shrewder. Derek Shrewder and Dennis Rose gonna be a

1340
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: tough race out there. But yeah, I even though you know,

1341
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: per minute Rose's numbers are probably higher, there's a reason

1342
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: that he's a bench guy and he shouldn't be starting.

1343
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: It's because he can play a maximum of you know,

1344
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes a game. His per his shot per

1345
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: minute numbers he gets out there and Jack's probably more

1346
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: than anybody. And you know, he's on a bad team

1347
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: out there and Detroit, So I think I think Shrewder

1348
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: kind of has it like people are tired of giving

1349
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: it to lou Williams.

1350
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: Williams had a bad year too. Yeah, I mean he

1351
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: really bad. I mean bad. Yeah, it was bad, especially

1352
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: when you if you want to take into consideration the

1353
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: zero he is on the other end of the floor

1354
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean he gives a lot of it back.

1355
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: M I mean it wasn't. Yeah, he's still like, you know,

1356
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: almost nineteen points a game. Like he wasn't far off

1357
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: what what Shruder did. But yeah, his percentage dropped a

1358
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: little bit. And and and because he hasn't he's not

1359
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: peak Lou. Yeah, he's he's not going to win it.

1360
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: I don't think if I think probably Mantres Harrow probably

1361
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: has a better shot on that team. And uh, you know,

1362
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: I think the fact that you know, looking at the bubble,

1363
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, Reggie Jackson came in and started playing alongside

1364
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: Lou Williams. I think they played eight games together. The

1365
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: fact that you know, they don't have a lot of

1366
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: time to get together here. And Landry Shammit isn't there currently,

1367
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: And one of the Morrises is in there. I'm not

1368
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: sure which one plays for the Lakers, which one plays

1369
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: for the Clippers, but I'm worried about their cohesion. And

1370
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: Lou kind of playing off the ball a little bit,

1371
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: even though you know he's awesome and he's going to

1372
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: figure it out, right, he had the ball his hands

1373
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: and a lot had the ball in his hands a lot,

1374
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know how that all fits,

1375
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: but Lou's gonna get his shots up no matter what.

1376
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, he wasn't as good. He wasn't as good.

1377
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: No, And it's tough for I think I'll lead a

1378
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: lot of votes. He might win it for for cornel

1379
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: On Montros Harald, but tough for a big guy to

1380
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: win this award, you know, to come off the bench

1381
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: and get the accolades as like a spark plug, like

1382
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: a Loo or a Crawford or even a Shrewder as

1383
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: we've talked about, like a guy that just gets buckets

1384
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of scores. But it's just it is. For

1385
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: whatever reason, it's uh, people don't care as much for

1386
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: the big guy coming off. I remember Taj Gibson a

1387
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It was a good example of that.

1388
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: And instead one of the you know, I forget who

1389
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: took it from, probably Lou or something like that, but

1390
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: like same thing. It's like, nah, this guy just comes

1391
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: in and gets buckets and and in Lou's case, especially

1392
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: previous years, like wins quarters, wins games for crying out

1393
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: loud for his team in play heavy minutes too. But

1394
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's does Harol and Lou sort of

1395
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: do they take away votes from each other? And does

1396
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: that allow like a Shrewder to grab this or Derek

1397
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Rose or like a George Hill like Clarkson, you're reaching

1398
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: at that point. I think my vote, my prediction is

1399
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: ultimately a Shrewder as well, though I'm not like super

1400
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: excited about it if that makes because no one was

1401
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: a by a bang here.

1402
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the case for

1403
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: Harold is that he comes out and he works hard,

1404
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 3: but that maybe isn't as sexy as a guy who

1405
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: goes out there like Lou and he can give you

1406
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: thirty five points. But I think I think Montrez and

1407
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 3: I think the Clippers really do appreciate what he gives

1408
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: them for that energy boost off the second off, the

1409
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: for the second unit, because you know, he's not out

1410
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: there shooting jump shots. He's out there like a Sean Maryon,

1411
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: you know, tippings and putbacks and running the floor and

1412
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: just creating baskets for himself, but giving them a real boost.

1413
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, I think people kind of, you know,

1414
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 3: they just don't see that as as the same impact

1415
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: as a guy who's out there shooting feathery three pointers

1416
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: and things like that. So I think Montrez certainly should

1417
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 3: finish no lower than sort of third or fourth in

1418
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: this in this category, but I don't know if he will.

1419
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: All right, all NBA, let's do this, so we'll try

1420
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: and collectively build our teams. So I'm sure we'll have

1421
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: a few debates here in slotting in our guys first team.

1422
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: Probably not a whole lot of debate, though, Let's be honest,

1423
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. The guards are Luca and

1424
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: James Harden.

1425
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of lear You're okay with that,

1426
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: I know.

1427
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: That's that's the thing.

1428
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 3: I mean, people will know I have a you know,

1429
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge hardened supporter. I think he's been great.

1430
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 4: You know, well, he hasn't been great. I don't think

1431
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 4: he's been great.

1432
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: He has been great.

1433
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 4: He has hasn't. He hasn't. He was he was shooting

1434
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: twenty two percent from three earlier this season, but.

1435
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: His numbers, his numbers, I know, he definitely did drop off.

1436
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 2: But through thirty nine games he was averaging almost thirty

1437
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: eight points and shot sixty five percent true shooting percentage.

1438
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: And then he did, he did drop off. Now he's

1439
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: at thirty four point four point points per game. Allows

1440
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: he leading the league with thirty four point four points

1441
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: per game, and the sixty two percent true shooting percentage

1442
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 2: is exact same he's had the last couple of years.

1443
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a drop off because he

1444
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: was on fire and because, yeah, his floor numbers are

1445
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: a little different. He's getting to the line more and

1446
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: so his numbers, yeah, you might, you might see them,

1447
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: and they might, but like he had nineteen forty point

1448
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: games this season, I mean that's so okay.

1449
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: Who would you put alongside Luca is the other guard

1450
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: on the first team if you're not going hard And

1451
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: even though it sounds like you know Tassino are going

1452
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: to vulture.

1453
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 4: Here, Yeah, no, no, Trey, I can't say of say, well,

1454
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: Trey would take my side. You know he's gonna vote

1455
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: hard as well. Honestly, we probably Lilid or Chris Paul

1456
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 4: for me.

1457
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: But I mean that both that you know, Chris Paul's

1458
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: numbers clearly nowhere near James Harden's. But but again, for

1459
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: what he's done for that team, I think I think

1460
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: he was incredible this season. I just you know, and

1461
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: even you know, even Westbrook, I do feel really came

1462
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: on and effected that team. And Harden he gets his numbers,

1463
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: we know because the balls in his hands all the time,

1464
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: but earlier on that season, when he was just firing

1465
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: away and putting up some of those like he might

1466
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: score fifty points. I don't have all the box scores here,

1467
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: but I know he was shooting like two for sixteen

1468
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: from downtown as well, and those sorts of things. It's like,

1469
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: all right, come on that, we shouldn't be rewarding that

1470
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: if a guys getting fifty, if he's if he's shooting

1471
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: badly like that, I'm gonna have to go and check

1472
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: these bus scores because someone someone's gonna tweet at me.

1473
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: But it just, you know, there was some time this

1474
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: season and I know he was averaging forty and we

1475
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: talked about maybe he could average out for the season,

1476
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: but he seemed to be sort of firing away there

1477
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: and the Rockets weren't like the the Rockets weren't having

1478
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: a great season.

1479
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: So wow, Okay, well this is a fascinating tick. You

1480
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: almost tried to convince me you would put Westbrook overhearted

1481
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: on your I mean, like ultimately.

1482
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 4: Not really, but I just you know, when I see

1483
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 4: Hard in his first team. I thought, I don't think

1484
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 4: he's had that good a season again.

1485
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: Even though he's average, leading the league with thirty four

1486
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 3: points a game.

1487
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, would you leave them off your all NBA teams?

1488
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: I would have him on the second team at worst.

1489
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: I just, I just I'm just not sure that I'm

1490
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm convinced that he's deserving a first

1491
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: team this season.

1492
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: But okay, and you're contemplating Lillard, contemplating Chris Paul, Yeah,

1493
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe a westro Okay, So we'll get to those names

1494
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: as we go through the rest. Yeah, all right, So forwards,

1495
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: are you okay with Giannis and Lebron?

1496
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 4: All right, all right, I'll give you those two. Is

1497
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 4: yanis forward? Is he a guard? Is he a center?

1498
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 4: What is he?

1499
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if he tried to convince me PJ.

1500
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: Tucker should be on this or something like that. The

1501
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: impact of that Rockets team. Okay, So Jannis and Lebron

1502
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: and then the center is the Really I mean, you

1503
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 1: threw me for a loop there with not wanting Harden

1504
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: on the first team, I'll admit, But Embiid or Jokic

1505
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: or maybe somebody else who taskwan you take the first

1506
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: stab at, like who would be your center on the

1507
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: All NBA First Team?

1508
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: I would shove Anthony Davis in there because he plays

1509
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: a lot of his minutes at center, and I think, look,

1510
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 2: when you look back at the nineteen twenty season, Anthony

1511
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: Davis was by far and away a better player than

1512
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: Jokic or Embiid, who are more traditional centers, and Embiid,

1513
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Anthony Davis doesn't start at center. JaVale McGee does,

1514
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: and Dwight Howard plays some center, but he plays, like

1515
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, a good chunk of his minutes at center.

1516
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: They close with him at center a lot of the

1517
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: times because that's their best lineup. And he is in

1518
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: my top five for MVP voting. Those five guys, Luca

1519
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 2: Hard and Giannis Lebron and him are the top five,

1520
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: and so I think, looking back, you want to say

1521
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: that guy was first Team All NBA because he was

1522
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: one of the five best players. Forget these stupid positions.

1523
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, what does it really matter. I mean, if

1524
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: if you were picking a guy, I know you have

1525
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 2: to pick a center, but if you're picking a guy

1526
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: to play with Luca Hardy Giannis and Lebron this season,

1527
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: the guy who played his best was Anthony Davis. And

1528
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: like if Jokic started better, if MB played to a

1529
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: better level, the level I expected him to pick or

1530
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: to play at when I picked him at for MVP

1531
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season, it'd be different. But

1532
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: they didn't play their capabilities. And you can blame Al

1533
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: Horford for MB, sure, but I think Anthony Davis the

1534
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: fifth definitely the fifth best player. But you know, with

1535
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: a bullet over those guys, so I'd find a way

1536
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: to shove him in. I know it's cheating that.

1537
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: That happens with all NBA teams. I feel like this

1538
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: happened time and time again with Tim Duncan, right like

1539
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: being just like slotted wherever they wanted to put on center. Man,

1540
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Okay, yeah, Ali Davis. I'll push back

1541
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: a little bit on that he played a lot of mine.

1542
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: I forget what the exact word you were used at

1543
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: center that he played. I mean he played like thirty

1544
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: eight percent at center. Because they did play a lot

1545
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: of Dwight or JaVale McGee. They played big, they played traditional,

1546
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: The Lakers did frank football, so he was more playing

1547
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: a forward position for a good hung of the year.

1548
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 4: But I hear it.

1549
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: I take your point totally fair that you want to

1550
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: make him the big here on this team. So he's

1551
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: your center, Lee, You're fine with the ED, you want Embiid,

1552
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: you want Yoki, you want somebody else.

1553
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you now, this seems weird to me to

1554
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: have Embiid or Yokic over Davis in the first team

1555
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: because I think Davis has been better than both of

1556
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: those guys. And yeah, I put him at center. I

1557
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 3: don't care about I mean, like, oh, he played percentage here.

1558
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 3: He's as good enough, close enough to being a center

1559
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: as he needs to be for this for me. So

1560
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 3: Jokich started off terribly. He really got it going once

1561
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 3: he got himself fit, But no, he wasn't better than

1562
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: Davis and Embiid a bit the same. Embiid was a

1563
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: bit frustrating this season. You know, again, we've talked about

1564
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 3: the fit there in Philadelphia wasn't great and some people

1565
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 3: I think I think Tassin Tray even had him beat

1566
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: as an MVP coming into this season, and he wasn't

1567
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 3: near that. So I think Davis deserves to be on

1568
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: the first team here, and yeah, if we want to,

1569
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: if we want to get all sexy about who's the

1570
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: center and who's not. I mean, Davis is good enough

1571
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: for me to be called the center. It's not like

1572
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 3: we're trying to shove him in as a point guard

1573
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: or anything like that.

1574
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: So I want to get all sexy about it.

1575
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to start referring to myself as the

1576
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: center of the No Dunks podcast. Sorry, Trey, I'm the center.

1577
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Well you're the sexy one because you just you

1578
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: just look down during your Manscape dad and you said,

1579
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: I got to fix this up.

1580
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: Whoever has the sexiest bush gets to place center on

1581
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: the No Dunks team. Okay, So to go over that,

1582
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: we're putting Luca Harden, Giannis Lebron, and Anthony Davis. That's

1583
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: our first team. I'm fine with that. Yeah, okay, all

1584
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: NBA second team guard. Tell me if I'm wrong. We're

1585
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: locking in Demian Lillard. Yeah, okay, yes, yes, yes, Okay.

1586
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: It's a little tricky because I think there's a lot

1587
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: of guys you can make the case for for the

1588
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: second guard spot. You know, Westbrook might be in the mix,

1589
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: Chris Paul might be in your mix, Ben Simmons, guys

1590
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: that were on bad teams with huge numbers, Beal Trey,

1591
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: young winners like Lowry, you know, scorers like Booker, maybe Mitchell,

1592
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: maybe Kemba. But tasks you take the first stab at this,

1593
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: Who would you like to see as the second guard

1594
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: on our All NBA second team?

1595
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah tough. I want to pretend that I'm passionate about this,

1596
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: But this second guard I'd be fine with with CP

1597
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: three or Westbrook or even Ben Simmons, So somebody else

1598
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: can take a step. I think I think those three

1599
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: guys I'm okay with. I'm a little bit more passionate

1600
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: about the first team all MBA. I think those three guys, Westbrook,

1601
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: CP three, and Simmons should round out the guard spots

1602
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: for the second and third team. Ooh okay, And then

1603
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: then I'd be fine. But whoever wants to make a fiery,

1604
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: sexy statement about who should be the second guard here

1605
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 2: on the second team beside Himan Liligo, great ahead.

1606
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: It sounds like you want Chris Paul.

1607
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Paul easily for me on this spot. He's

1608
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 3: been amazing this season. He made the All Star team again,

1609
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: and he made the Thunder into a very very good team,

1610
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: well functioned team. Again, his numbers aren't gonna, you know,

1611
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: blow anyone apart, even though his numbers are pretty solid.

1612
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: And again fourth quarter closing games. It happened time and

1613
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: time again.

1614
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 4: Where it's like, look at Chris Paul.

1615
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 3: This is Chris Paul from the New Orleans days where

1616
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: he seemed to be energized again, put the ball in

1617
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: his hands and he was closing out games. I think

1618
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 3: there's no question that he's a lock for me for

1619
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: that spot. Again, I don't, you know, trying to sort

1620
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: of put him into that first team. I don't think

1621
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 3: he's quite there. It's a little bit of a you know,

1622
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: a bit of a revolving door, that sort of second

1623
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 3: guard spot for me in that first team. But absolutely

1624
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: no question that Chris Paul deserves it over you know, Westbrook, good,

1625
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: Simmons good at times, Bradley Beal. I mean, Beal gets

1626
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 3: the credit because he was great himself. But the Wizards,

1627
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 3: of course were nowhere near the playoffs. Yeah, six and

1628
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: a half.

1629
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: Should that matter at all?

1630
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 4: Though exactly, I don't know it doesn't matter.

1631
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 3: I think it does matter on the first team, maybe

1632
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: not so much on the second and third team.

1633
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: So sure, okay, so I'm fine with that. Let's just

1634
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: let's keep it going here. Let's put Chris Paul there

1635
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: with Damian Lillard. Those are our two guards. All NBA

1636
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: second team forwards. Kawhi Leonard? Is he a locke for

1637
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: everybody on the olymb secon team? Okay? I thought so.

1638
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: Then it's a little open for debate because you know,

1639
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: I originally thought maybe Anthony Davis would slide in there,

1640
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: but we put him on our first team. So does

1641
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: that mean we're going just in Bead Jokic as forward center?

1642
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: Or is there another your case to be made for

1643
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: a forward? Who do you think tasks who?

1644
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think my my, my, My inclination is to

1645
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: pick one of the other good forwards out in the league,

1646
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: Like you know, whether it's Jimmy Butler or Tatum, I

1647
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: would probably sneak in here.

1648
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: Chris Middleton.

1649
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Middleton deserves a bit more credit to

1650
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 3: this year. I think he was very, very good for

1651
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 3: the Bucks. But it's Chris Middleton, So I don't think

1652
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 3: he gets the recognition. That's why I don't think so.

1653
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: I think, but I think he was good. I think

1654
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: maybe third team for him, but Jimmy Butler, because Jimmy

1655
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 3: Butler did start off well. His numbers again aren't huge

1656
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 3: if you if you sort of want to take that

1657
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 3: into consideration.

1658
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot well this year.

1659
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, and then and then, I mean, if you

1660
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 3: were making this award in December, I think was an

1661
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: absolute lock for that.

1662
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 4: Or or Tatum. So it's tough on give me Tatum.

1663
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: I'll go Tatum. Yeah, you ultimately go.

1664
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: I'll take Butler. I think his numbers at the line,

1665
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: you know, boost is his production enough and being a

1666
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: number one guy throughout the year offensively the guy they

1667
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: gave the ball to for entire fourth quarters. Yeah, I'd

1668
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: take him.

1669
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: But hmmm, yeah, it's up to me. I mean, wow, wow, wow,

1670
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: Wow Butler, Tatum A Middleton, Yeah, I guess I'll go Jimmy.

1671
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we got an interesting All NBA second Team

1672
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: here because we've got two guys that don't blow you

1673
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: away with their numbers in Chris Paul Jimmy Butler. But

1674
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're leaders, they're winners. So you take

1675
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: over a crunch time and I'm fine with that. And

1676
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: they obviously bring it on both ends too, which I

1677
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: think is somewhat important when you're making you're looking at

1678
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: the fifteen best players in the league that year.

1679
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, help, so they can.

1680
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 3: Give you something defensively, But you know, we should we

1681
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 3: suld certainly should look more than just numbers, which I

1682
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 3: think a lot of the times it comes down to,

1683
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 3: you know, like a guy's just putting up big numbers again,

1684
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 3: like Bradley Beal putting up big numbers team and not winning.

1685
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: But he clearly was a better player this season. And

1686
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 3: I think we've seen even though we missed out on

1687
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 3: the All Star Game. So you know, I want to

1688
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: see guys like Butler again, who you don't have to

1689
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: be putting up huge numbers just to get in there.

1690
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 4: Like you have to be doing the other things as well.

1691
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: All right, Jimmy gets an All NBA second nod here,

1692
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: Then who's the center in Beiter Jokic, Lee, you got

1693
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: a or somebody else.

1694
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 4: I'll go with Yo Kitchen overall again.

1695
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: Talked about it there with Embiid being a little bit

1696
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: frustrating there for Philadelphia. I'm fascinated to see how this

1697
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 3: season ends for Philadelphia and what happens in the future

1698
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: with them because coming in with Al Horford there and

1699
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 3: Josh Richardson, you were like they should be a contender

1700
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 3: for the championship, but they're not as we've seen them

1701
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: right now. Embiid at his best is an MVP candidate

1702
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: on both ends of the floor, but he hadn't been.

1703
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't think this season Yo Kich started off slow.

1704
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: We've talked better enough. I think when he got it

1705
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: going though, he was very, very good. He was averaging

1706
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 3: twenty and ten and about seven and a half assists.

1707
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 3: So he got himself ready and he's got himself in well,

1708
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: he's got himself in different shape coming into the bubble.

1709
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 4: Will it be better shape or worse shape. We'll find

1710
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 4: out in the next couple of weeks.

1711
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: All right, task you like Yo Kitch, Embiid, Bam Gobert,

1712
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: here you go.

1713
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: I would take Yo Kitch. I think he was. I

1714
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: think he was the second best center if Fanthony Davis

1715
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: is a center. I think he was clearly better than

1716
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: Joel and Bed. And you can put the blame on

1717
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: Al horford shoulders. He's man enough, he's got wide enough

1718
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: shoulders to take the blame for Joel. Embiid's not not

1719
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: having the season, not having the space that he needed

1720
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 2: with Al Horford and Ben Simmons out there. And this

1721
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: is another All NBA selection for Joel Embiid. He's never

1722
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 2: gotten to the first team. He's had a couple second teams,

1723
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 2: and it'd be weird. I guess you keep dropping to

1724
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: the third here, but I think I think keeping him

1725
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: there is fine.

1726
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: Okay, our All NBA second team, I'm fine with that

1727
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: Jokic pick. We have Lillard Chris Paul as the guards,

1728
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: Kawhi Jimmy Butler as the forwards, and then Jokic as

1729
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: the center. Third team. Let's just pick the center right now.

1730
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: While we're talking big men. All NBA third Team, is

1731
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: it Embiid? Were just putting them right in? Or can

1732
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: you make a case for Bam or go Bear or

1733
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: somebody else? Lee give me mb just of a BAM.

1734
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: We got to have Joel Embiid on our All NBA teams.

1735
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't as good as last players where he's

1736
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: second team, so I think third third time?

1737
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Fine, that makes sense.

1738
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: Okay.

1739
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: So and that is you know, BAM, great year, unbelievableyear.

1740
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: It might win most improved. It was an All Star.

1741
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: Go Bear we talked about. You know, he did fall

1742
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: off a little bit. Obviously super impactful still defensively, But

1743
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I think that makes sense. If

1744
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: we had ad as our first team all center, then yo,

1745
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: kitchen be still got to be in the mix. So okay,

1746
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: put in beat in, let's go to the forwards, because

1747
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: it's really down to three. By the sounds of it,

1748
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: it's Middleton, Siakam, and Tatum. Unless I'm forgetting anybody. Does

1749
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: Middleton have to be on an All NBA team? Does

1750
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: he deserve that nearly, you know, flirting with the fifty

1751
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: forty ninety being on the best team in the league. Yeah,

1752
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: he's the second banana. But is that more impressive? Is maybe?

1753
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: Is that just as impressive as a as a lead

1754
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: guy like a Siakam or a Tatum. What do you think, Tess, Yeah,

1755
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: it's real tough.

1756
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: When I was debating this, I think I would slide

1757
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: or slight slide in slote in is that the word?

1758
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum or to the to a forward spot. I

1759
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: think Tatum would be my my guy there. And then

1760
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: I was picking between yeah that Chris Middleton number two

1761
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: guy numbers are very, very pretty versus Pascal Siakam came

1762
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: out of the gate real straw, looking like the guy

1763
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 2: who could take over Kawhi's reigns, and then slowed down

1764
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: a little bit. But still the number is really really

1765
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: good and does more defensively if we want to factor

1766
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: that in, gets people involved on a bit, no, a lot,

1767
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot. It's yeah, I mean I

1768
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: can go either way, but I'd probably take Pascal Siakam

1769
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: over Chris Middleton.

1770
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go and Tatum Lee, who are your too?

1771
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1772
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: I unfortunately I'm gonna leave Siakam off of mine. I

1773
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying that considering how he started

1774
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: the season.

1775
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 4: I mean, Middleton's in, Middleton's in.

1776
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: I think Middleton deserves some more recognition because he's kind

1777
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 3: of been considered like, you know, he can't really step

1778
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: up and Giannis's absence. But I think as that second guy,

1779
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: that clear second guy, he doesn't attempt to try to

1780
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 3: be the number one guy. He understands his role, he

1781
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: does it very well, shoots well borned, incredibly well. He's

1782
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: not twenty one a game with six rebounds. I mean

1783
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,799
Speaker 3: that that's that's pretty decent numbers.

1784
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 2: He's no Pascal twenty four and a half, seven and

1785
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: a half.

1786
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 3: For about Pascal Pascal again, he's just he did tear

1787
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 3: out of those gates, you know, exploded out of the gates,

1788
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 3: but but he cooled of. It's yeah, I'm giving Middleton.

1789
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: I'm giving Middleton a nod because the Bucks have been

1790
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 3: the best team.

1791
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 2: And then there's no Raptor.

1792
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll tell you what we can we we

1793
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: can put Middleton in. Well we can. We're agreeing because

1794
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm I've got to vote for Middleton as well. So

1795
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: that's two. He's in. Chris Middleton's on our team. So

1796
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: now Lee comes down to see or team. You sound

1797
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: like you want to Teum. You were making a case

1798
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: for him.

1799
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 4: On the old second. I was, I was, I was,

1800
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Titum.

1801
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 3: Oh man, I feel awful saying that, but I'm giving

1802
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: to I can't believe the Arkham is.

1803
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Not on there, but he's on my team. Sorry the

1804
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: hell out of here. I'm gonna upset the mi Intown

1805
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: boys tast we put him in. We'll play the homework card.

1806
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that is tough, that is that is very

1807
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: very difficult. Between those three, and maybe even we had

1808
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: it wrong. Maybe Jimmy shouldn't have been there.

1809
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1810
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: In the All NBA second Yeah, maybe it should have

1811
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: been one of these guys. Let's hear from you out there,

1812
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: by the way, tweet at us at no dunk stick. Okay,

1813
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: we it was a tough way to get there, but

1814
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: we're semi agreeing on just pure you know, democratic votes.

1815
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: Here it's Middleton and as are two forwards on the

1816
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: All NBA thirteen.

1817
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 3: That's tough, that's great, that's great when the bean damn

1818
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 3: boys comes with you, guys, that's with you, guys.

1819
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: Hey, look, we couldn't put Tatum at the guard position.

1820
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: Why we couldn't.

1821
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 4: That's why we should scrap a positions, just make it

1822
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 4: the best fifteen place?

1823
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: Did I hold? I pick Tatum? I picked Tatum and

1824
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: leave Tatum and Middleton. Yes see he got two votes.

1825
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: Middles and got two votes. Tatum got two votes, and

1826
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: oh I'm sorry, yeah right right, we need an extra

1827
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: forward spot.

1828
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know who the hell.

1829
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 4: We got to give it didn't give it to. I'm fine,

1830
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 4: I'm fine.

1831
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, crazy thing, this doesn't matter. But let's let's

1832
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: round it out because this is fun. The guards, the

1833
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: two guards on the All NBA third Team. Again, I

1834
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: listed a ton of guys that would be in the mix. Westbrook, Simmons, Beal,

1835
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: Trey Lowry, Kema, Mitchell Booker. Who gets them? I mean,

1836
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: do you here's the question. Do you want to credit

1837
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: a guy like Bial or maybe even Tream for that matter,

1838
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: who had incredible numbers, who are incredible players but were

1839
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: on bad teams. Do you want to basically do what

1840
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: we used to do with Tracy McGrady when he was

1841
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: with the Magic, Because Tracy McGrady made all NBA teams

1842
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: left and right, I think on average when he was there,

1843
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: as teams won like thirty eight games. They weren't that good.

1844
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: They were not that good. But you know the one

1845
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: year they won twenty one games and McGrady led the

1846
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: league in scoring for the second consecutive season and he

1847
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: was All NBA second Team.

1848
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 4: Wow, why don't we do that one? Yeah?

1849
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Man? So what don't we do with Bill?

1850
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, certainly not both of those guys for show.

1851
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 3: You can't have Elan Tree, Young and and Trey I'm

1852
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: gonna leave off because it's only your second season, and

1853
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: this is like, you know what, You've got plenty of time,

1854
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna make some So you miss out this year,

1855
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta just go through these couple of

1856
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: seasons like that.

1857
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 4: I think I'm going with Kember. I think Kember was.

1858
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: Very, very good on the Celtics. I'm going with Carl

1859
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: Lowry though I need one. I need Carl Larry out there.

1860
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1861
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 3: No, I'm just looking at all these names and I'm like, yeah,

1862
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 3: he was good, he was good.

1863
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 4: Give me Carl Lowry. I want Larry out there. That's why.

1864
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: So who's Okay, Well, who's your other one? Then you

1865
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:37,799
Speaker 1: give us your two.

1866
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Simmons.

1867
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Lawry, so go on defense. He likes the defense,

1868
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: all right, to ask.

1869
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: What just first? A note on Traesa McGrady. The thing

1870
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 2: with Rasay McGrady is you just should have stayed in Toronto.

1871
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: You would have won more games my team. Yeah, I am.

1872
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: I definite, definitely verer All Star Game. I say, putting

1873
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: points on the board. You're an awesome player. Want you

1874
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 2: in the All Star Game? Trey Young Bradley Beal probably

1875
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 2: should have been there as well. When it comes to

1876
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: the end of the season. I just want well rounded

1877
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: individuals that do a whole hack of a lot. So

1878
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons would make my team and Russell Westbrook would

1879
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: make my other spot.

1880
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Simmons in Westbrook. Okay, Well Simmons is in then, I

1881
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: mean that's two votes for him, and I'm not angry

1882
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: with that. Ben Simmons is one of the guards, one

1883
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: of the better guards in the league. Wow. So it

1884
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: comes down to really that final spot where we got

1885
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: to decide on Lowry's in the mix, Westbrook's in the mix.

1886
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: I hear you, on Bill, I mean, like, I think

1887
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 1: McGrady is a really good example of sort of a

1888
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: comparable guy. Like bial scored thirty points per game this year. Now,

1889
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: he didn't play it like a defense. I mean his

1890
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: team stunk. I mean like it's almost to the point

1891
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: like I don't think he I think he just stopped trying.

1892
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: He's like, why I ain't gonna try? Nobody else is trying.

1893
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 4: It was actually hilarious how they just didn't even make

1894
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 4: any effort.

1895
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: On Yeah, and I guess maybe I'll hold that over

1896
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I'll go Simmons, we already got

1897
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: him in, and Wow, Westbrooker, Westbrooker, Lowry. I sort of

1898
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 1: feel like Lowry did not have an All NBA like season.

1899
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: He's been there before, or at least once. I think

1900
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: he made it.

1901
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 4: I think he's made a couple of ye just one,

1902
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 4: just one.

1903
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Westbrook is the fascinating one. I mean, Westbrook doesn't

1904
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: even sniff this All NBA team. If he doesn't turn

1905
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: it on in twenty twenty, you know, like you wouldn't

1906
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: even people would be angry for even bringing them up

1907
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: as one of the better players. But then he was

1908
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: balling there for whatever twenty games or whatever.

1909
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: It was.

1910
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: All right, I'll go Westbrook, Westbrooking since yeah, I mean

1911
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 1: I already got I tried to. You know, I'm putting

1912
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Siakam in there. I'm not even comfortable with having two

1913
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: Raptors in there and then having no Celtics. Maybe it

1914
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: should just be Tatum. I'm putting Tatum Tatum, and it's wow.

1915
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: See this is always difficult, man. We got three guys

1916
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: trying to build our team. So in the end, I

1917
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: know we got Simmons in there. That other guard is

1918
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: who is it Lowry, is it Westbrook or is it

1919
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: even Tatum?

1920
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Our forwards in.

1921
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: There's shift Tatum. Everybody's fine with that, all right, we'll

1922
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: put Tatum there. So we got Simmons and Tatum as

1923
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,520
Speaker 1: our guards, and then our forwards were Middleton and Siakam,

1924
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: and then the bead was our All NBA third team center.

1925
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: All right, tell us if you agreed disagree, who you

1926
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: upset about that we left off all the Bean town boys.

1927
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: I can hear the music that we got Tatum in there.

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Thank God, they're gonna come marching over the hill. They're

1929
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: angry with us, But that's okay. That was fun. Guys.

1930
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: Let us know all your picks for all these awards

1931
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: and the all NBA teams. Like I said, get your

1932
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Speaker 1: questions in for tomorrow's beach step and email us No

1933
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: Dunks at the Athletic dot com or tweet them in

1934
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: at No Dunks. You heard it here first, have a

1935
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome.

1936
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and remember these picks don't matter.

1937
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: Brace for eight people. You could stay oh every day

1938
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: and and you happy every minute. It's been so long

1939
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: that you're the one I've waiting for.

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Speaker 4: It's happened already.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be groovy.