1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: listening to soft Reap Radio Special operations, military news and 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys and the community. And hello 4 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: again everyone, Welcome back to soft Rep Radio. I'm your 5 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: host today, Steve Belstreia. We're doing a show today with 6 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a couple of very important guests here and once we're 7 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: really looking forward to talking to. We we have Javier 8 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Penia and Steve Murphy from the d e A. And 9 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: if you guys don't recognize their names, you will recognize 10 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: who they took down, and that was Pablo Escobar. And 11 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna talk about the years they spending, 12 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: uh not only in Colombia, but you know where how 13 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: they got there. To begin with, we're gonna talk about 14 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: their book called Man Hunters, how they took down Pablo Escobar. 15 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: And they also worked on the Netflix show Narcos, which 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: I think everybody in the world has seen at this point, 17 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: because uh that everyone you talked to was seeing Narcos. Now. 18 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: A lot of that and we'll talk about that too. 19 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: A lot of that is uh Hollywood. They kind of 20 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: played with the facts a little bit, as they always do. 21 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: But we want to welcome these guys having Steve, thank 22 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: you for taking the time today. I was really excited 23 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: to do this one. Steve, thank you very much for 24 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: having us on the show. We're just as excited as 25 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: you are. Ye, well, appreciate looking forward to looking forward. Well, 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: before we get into the nuts and bolts, I know 27 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: two of the guys that that read our columns and 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: stuff every day on Soft Rap, they sent me a 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: message and they said, you have to ask Javier, did 30 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: he did he really have sex with all of pablos hookers? 31 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: Just do you think yes, yes, yes, I did because 32 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: because you know, a couple of guys had heard through 33 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: the grapevine that because I had done a book review 34 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: and on your book and that we are already posted 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that because I was teasing it with the podcast. And 36 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: a guy sent me a message and he's like, Steve, 37 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: you have to ask, how did he really do all 38 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: of you know escobars hookers, you know, they try to 39 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: recruit them. And I started laughing. I was like, I 40 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: didn't really think about asking him that, but I don't 41 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: be the how we lead off the show. That's a 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: great question, Like, truly, sometimes you have to do that. 43 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: Let me just grator partner we're talking about. So you know, 44 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean that single he wasn't doing hookers and communists informists. 45 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: But you know what, every other woman in Columbia was 46 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: fair game. You know what? Hey, you know to tell 47 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: you that, I said, you know what, I was ordered 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: by you guys. It's a dirty job, but somebody had 49 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: to do. It's nothing for the tax player. Yeah. I 50 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you guys and your wild just dreams 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: growing up, did you ever think you'd be watching a 52 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: movie made about your life? No? You know what, this 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: is the last thing we thought we'd ever be doing. 54 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Um Quite honestly, I had aspirations of being one of 55 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: the court security officers at the Federal building telling all 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: you young whipper snappers put your gun the next ray machine. 57 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: You're not taking the gun Federal Corps house. This is 58 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: honestly the last thing I've never crossed our minds, um might. Honestly, 59 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: we had been approached by a couple of producers about something, 60 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: but once we talked to him, they had personal agendas 61 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: in mind, and they didn't really care about telling truth 62 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: of our story. They wanted to make their political agendas 63 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: is what they wanted to do. And uh and and 64 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get your hopes up that 65 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: something will happen. And and after being shot down twice, 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: I've never talked about it. We said, you know what, 67 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: nobody cares about this story. It's been too long, it's 68 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: too old. Just forget about it. And in two thousand 69 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: and thirteen, that's when Eric Newman called and and he's 70 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: the creator of Arcos and um, you know when he 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: first when I first spoke to him, I turned him down. 72 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure he fell out of his chair 73 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: because we've learned people will sell their souls to get 74 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: into Hollywood. But it kind of worked out. We met 75 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: with him eventually, and our personalities clicked, and he was concerned, 76 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, he he's like, why don't you guys so headed? 77 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: We said, the last thing we ever want anybody to 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: do is glorify somebody like Pablo Escobar. This guy is 79 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: nothing more than a mass murder on top of being 80 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: the h we'll tell you more things about him as 81 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: we go along here, but he's just a thug. He's 82 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: a punk, and he was a criminal. Um And in 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: our opinion, Eric Newman lived up to his word with 84 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: us that he did not Glori Pablo Escobar. So we're 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: pretty happy the series. Yeah, you know what when when 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: we're searching for Pablos one night, you know, I always 87 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: forget the conversation was one of the the majors remember 88 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: of organ Doneiel Costro, Costro, He he left the uniforms side. 89 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: He was more of you know, we had like six 90 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: hundred guys. Uh they called them, Uh they were from 91 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: a gal anyway, the uniform side of the police. So 92 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: he let him in him and how we're talking one 93 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: I've always I'll never forgive, he said yere Man one 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: of his days. After all this is old. Somebody's gonna 95 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: make a move out of this colonel who I wouldn't 96 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: want to make up, you know that were gonna make 97 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: up movie all this ship. You know you know what 98 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: it was that it's amazing. I mean, you know, as 99 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: I've spoken, both of you guys being down there, not 100 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: involved what what you guys are doing and in any way, 101 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: shape or form. But that was an interesting time in Colombia, 102 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: such a beautiful place, and there's so many misconceptions about that. 103 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you first of me because 104 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: I know you, um you got there. First, you got there, 105 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: I believe in night. You know, explain to our listeners 106 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: what Columbia was like back then. Yeah, you know what, 107 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: when we get there to Columbia, Steve and I had 108 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: never been there. And just to start it off, I 109 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: did not want to go to Columbia. I had put 110 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: in for Mexico. So when my bosses Javierra, did you 111 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: put in for Columbias and know, sir, he said, well, 112 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: you got selected for colub you were I'll go and 113 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: you know what, So I've never been there. But when 114 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: I get there, man, it was like totally different what 115 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: I had heard. The cops were great to work with, 116 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: the like I said, the mountainsides, that climate, that weather 117 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: in boat Us. You remember it was always fifties, perfect 118 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: beautiful at nighttime you need to light jacket. The people 119 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: were so friendly, helping you out whatever you wanted. And 120 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about your experiences with your military guys. 121 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Those guys, you know, they took care of us. They 122 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: they always, uh, we're out there for us, so we 123 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I was in for a total It was a total 124 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: shock for me. I was expecting something, something else, but 125 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: there were just some of the nicest friendliest people we 126 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: came across, and you know, we're still good friends with 127 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: some of the people back then. But the like I said, 128 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the city, the picturest the mountains, that jungle area, it 129 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: was just beautiful back then. Yeah, Steve, you came afterwards, 130 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: but you came from Miami. And you know, I think 131 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people equate what's what's going on. You know, 132 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: the people hadn't been there. They equated what's going on 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: in Columbia, like Miami Vice. Because I think everybody in 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: the world used to watch Miami Vice. You know, they 135 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: were thinking, you guys were running around and like you know, 136 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the white suiting, living on a speed 137 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: boat with the alligator, and you know, having shootouts every afternoon. 138 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: But it is, it's quite different now. But what were 139 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: your impressions when you first got there? Well, yeah, I 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: mean you know what before I joined DA, I was 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: watching Miami Vice too, and that's what I expected when 142 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: I got you know, I did four years in Miami 143 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: and uh, you saw the book there. We did have 144 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: a bad day where the deal went bad. My partner 145 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: was shot and form what was killed. Um. But after 146 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: four years of Miami about three after about three years. 147 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: My wife, she's pretty adventures and also and she said, 148 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: you know what, and we're small town people. You know, 149 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: I grew up Tennessee in West Virginia. I'm like across 150 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: between a redneck and Hillville. And she's from West Virginia 151 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: and we're just country folks, you know. And and uh, 152 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: we moved to Miami, and I mean we were really 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: fish out of water. But she learned, you know, you 154 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: learned that to your surroundings. And so after about three years, 155 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: she came to she said, you know, this has been 156 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: a really exciting life down here. What's the next most 157 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: exciting thing we could do? Well, you know what, you 158 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: go to Colombia. And she looked at me like I 159 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: had three eyes, you know, like, what are you freaking crazy? 160 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: She is, Uh, she's the kind of girl that, uh, 161 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta give her time to think about it. 162 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: And so I just kind of laid off the subject. 163 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: And a friend of ours, an agent from Baron Kia, 164 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: was coming up to Miami. Still, we set up dinner 165 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: and and she grilled for about three hours on what 166 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: it was like in Colombia, the danger in the living 167 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: conditions and all that, and a couple of weeks after that, 168 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: she said, uh, hey, do you still want to go 169 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: to Columbia? Said absolutely, and she said we're gonna do it. 170 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it while we're young. So I applied, actually 171 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: got selected for garan Kia through a party. You know, 172 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: you know how you're getting a transfer, it's on you 173 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: to through. You're going away party with your buddies. So 174 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: I went ahead through the party, and then like a 175 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: couple of days later, they withdrew transfer because they needed 176 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: a Spanish speaking agent immediately and I had to go 177 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: to language school, so I lost my transfer, but then uh, 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: I ended up getting Bogata and uh we showed up 179 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: down there. I've been in language school for six months 180 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: and I could speak Spanish, but they taught me how 181 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: to speak proper Spanish. I don't speak properly, so I could. 182 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: I could talk to the people and they could understand 183 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: everything I said. But when they would answer back in 184 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: colloquial sayings and local dialects and much faster than what 185 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: I'm used to, you know, it was like a deer 186 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: in head and it's like, what the hell do you 187 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: just say to me? But you know it's not going 188 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: to the embassy and the third day i'm there is 189 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: when Escobar surrendered. This is in June, and uh, I'm thinking, wow, 190 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: this is great, you know. I mean, I guess he 191 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: heard I was in town. Anybody will give it up 192 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: because you know, which is all a lie. But when 193 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: I saw and what I saw, like with todb Here 194 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: and his partner Gary Sheridan and everybody else in the 195 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: embassy was they were disappointed. And how can you be 196 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: disappointed that the world's biggest cocaine dealers improvement? But then 197 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: I learned by working with Gary and working with time 198 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: of here here, the juke b bargain was. You know, 199 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: we ultimately found out he was living in the country 200 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: club rather than a prison. Um, you know, and just 201 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: that's when I really learned about what was going on. 202 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: But I went down there thinking everybody want me to 203 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: drug tracker because the only Colonians I ever meber locked 204 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: up in South Florida. Turns out the nicest, nicest people 205 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: were the most accepting. Uh. You know what, if you 206 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: get down with an attitude, with that American attitude, they'll 207 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: tell you real quick where the airport is. Yeah, but 208 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: but you know what, but the same token, you know, 209 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: with those the people down there, if if you try 210 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: to assimilate into their society and like them, they'll do 211 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: anything in the world for you. They're just very hospitable people. 212 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: And then what you were just saying about the your accent, 213 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, the Columbia. One of the Columbian officers I 214 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: worked with had spent time in the States and he 215 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: used to laugh whenever I speak Spanish to him because 216 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: he's like, I've never heard anyone speak Spanish with the 217 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: Boston accent before. Imagine Southern how do you say young Spanish? 218 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: And you know what before we uh going for One 219 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: of the things that I know this staff so is 220 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: when we first got there, and I think you can 221 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: relate to this experience, the attitude was us, Yeah, I 222 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: don't know, and I'm not gonna get too much into it, 223 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: but the attitude was at something cops, we're all dirty, 224 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: you couldn't trust them, you know what I'm saying. But 225 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: when we're working with them, and then all of a sudden, 226 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: once once we broke that barrier, then we found out 227 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons the obstacles was. And 228 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: they finally told us, you know what, guys, we give 229 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: the green Goos. We give the all this information, we 230 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: never get nothing back in return. He said, we're tired. 231 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's all they take everything, they leave and 232 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: we're like, whatever happened? So then you know, Steve and 233 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: I the old I mean Gary Sheridan, you know, we 234 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: started changing that attitude, like, guys, here's the information you 235 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: gave me this phone number for Miami. Here are some 236 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: of the people this Miami numbers calling her the traffickers, 237 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Hey, your information what you 238 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: gave us Colombian cop that's led to a thousand keys 239 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Caesar in Miami. Here's a letter and at a boy 240 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: letter and you know, I love your experts. They love 241 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: those out of boy letters. But yeah, to the general 242 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: and you know, and they it meant a lot for them. 243 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: So all of a sun it started. You know what 244 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: it was just a basic reciprocation. You know, they give 245 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: you something, you give them something back. And the other 246 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: thing that really I think, well when for us is like, wow, 247 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: y'all are here, you care you're working with us. Once 248 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: they started trusting you, man, those doors were wide open 249 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: and you know, we could do a lot of stuff. 250 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: But it was just a basic you know human principle 251 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: of hey, they're gonna help you out, you're gonna help 252 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: them out, and you're in it together, and just a 253 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: basic you know, human you know interchange. And I think 254 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: the fact that you know from reading the book and 255 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: the fact that YouTube lived with them Donna Median in 256 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: the in the that the base they had right in 257 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: the center of town, and you shared their you know, 258 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I know in the book, Steve you talked 259 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: about sleeping in the room with four Columbian guys and 260 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, um, I mean that goes a long way 261 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: when you're sharing the you know, their experience with them 262 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and you go out on raids with them. I think 263 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: that goes speaks volumes to them that you're you know, 264 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, just in it for what you can get 265 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: out of it. You're you're going to uh being it 266 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: with them for the for the long haul. Well, you 267 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: know that was that was a real bone of contention 268 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: down there because um as you know, you know, we 269 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: had the we had General Jerry Boykin was down here, 270 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: was a colonel back then. He got his first car 271 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: while I was there in Columbia. But he brought down 272 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Delta and he brought down Team six and their orders, 273 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: all of our orders where we were not allowed to 274 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: leave the police base. And the police base is, you know, 275 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: in Columbia is like a military base here in the 276 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: United States. We weren't on the leave and it was 277 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: for safety reasons, but how many you know, you know, 278 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: we talked about at the very beginning, we said, we 279 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: can't do our job sitting in here, you know, when 280 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: you think about it. Hey, hey, Steve, listen, I got 281 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: a tip that Pablo escobars in their too the corner 282 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: first and may you see if you can find a mubble, 283 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: grab a cup of coffee, you come back, tell me 284 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: what what you finally get back? How much respect are 285 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: you gonna have for for us? And so we decided 286 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: the very beginning we were going to continue to do 287 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: our job the way we've been doing it. And it 288 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: turned out to be a hell of a lot more 289 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: fun than sitting back there at the base, you know, 290 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: because it's going down on the human gunships. So not 291 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, but several times a week you're 292 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: going out and in the cars and a surveillance to 293 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: make the formants, uh, you know, the whole ball of wax. 294 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: It was required to get the job done. And that's 295 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: what well, how do you explained that? What the cops 296 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: ask you? What about the Green Ghost? Yeah? And you know, 297 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: because Steve and I were an operators, we like and 298 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: we always we tell people we broke policies, rules. We 299 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: never broke the law, right, we never crossed that line. 300 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: But we're out there surveillances, arrist and the thing about 301 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: the when you do a search, who aren't you know? 302 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: And and we're in it for legal prosecutions, right, you know, 303 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: to put people in jail. Uh so uh, you know 304 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: the documents that we were collecting, that we were getting, 305 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: we'd have notepads, you know, all of a sudden, you know, 306 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: it was first hand information. Send them back to Miami, 307 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, so they can take action. But anyway, one, 308 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: I think some of the high one of the highest 309 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: rate marks there. You know, the cops were like, have here, 310 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: he said one nine one day, he said, how come 311 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: you and Steve are the only Green Goals that are 312 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: with us on operations? What about all the rest of 313 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: the guys are They like afraid? And I explained to 314 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: them it's different regulations. We're law enforcement. We're out there 315 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: to collect there, but as we're there to help you 316 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: all out, we're we're police, and but that always always 317 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: stuck in on mine. How come it's on the un 318 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: Steve with us on on all you don't say that. Yeah, 319 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: it's funny you you just mentioned, uh, you know, you 320 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: broke some regulations and by going out on ops and 321 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: you kept your integrity. I was talking with someone last 322 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: week and they had seen the pictures and there was 323 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: a picture you Hobby and uh you with you had 324 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of gold bars in front of you and 325 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: there was a cold plate at forty five I think, 326 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: And they said, you know, do you think these guys 327 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: ever took any of that gold or money or stuff? 328 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I said, if you questioned 329 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: their integrity, look at the picture real close. I said, 330 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: because he's got a suit on, he's got a cheap 331 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: pass time X on I said, the money you've had 332 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: a Rolex. So I said, I think their integrity is intact. 333 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: No one has ever caught that, I think. Steve and 334 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: I we we joke and said, yeah you think. And 335 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: my watch is a cast Fule watch. You know you 336 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: thought that it's a I thought it was a time 337 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: X but cheaper than a type. Remember little rubber watches, 338 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: tim boats. Yeah, issue, clearly it's a clip on type 339 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: because I hated to tight ties man. You know, so 340 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: that's a clip tight too. Yeah, you know what. Just 341 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: just to clarify Steve too, when when we say that 342 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: the operators were not going out, it wasn't because they 343 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to. I mean, we know the world. You 344 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: guys are the studs of the world. You You guys 345 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: are like muscles with legs and a brain, just walk around, 346 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: want to kill something, bricks and we every show we 347 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: do around the world, we give you guys credit because 348 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: if Haimy and I are ever kidnapped, you guys are 349 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: the ones that we want to come and get us 350 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: because we've seen you work. We know what your capabilities are. 351 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want anybody else coming and I 352 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: trust you guys with my life. But the fact is 353 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: that you guys were military also and you followed the orders, 354 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: and you know we didn't. We didn't follow orders. I 355 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: guess that is what rolls down the well. We broke 356 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: a few in Bolivia. I didn't, like I said, in Colombia, 357 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't involved with what you guys did, but training 358 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: the the snow Cap guys in the UMA par who 359 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: worked with the Bolivions. Uh, we used to break a 360 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: couple of rules and legs back then. I hope I 361 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: don't get in trouble for this now. But the other thing, 362 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and I argue, I mean those guys when they came in, Wow, 363 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean how they trained the cops from your guys. 364 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean stuff I didn't even know that could be happening. 365 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: And you know that led to successful operations later on. 366 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: And the other problem with with the operators, there were 367 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: there were people from the embassy that were not in 368 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: that uh arena, other people that were calling in everything 369 00:20:53,680 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: into the embassy. You know what I'm talking about, UH 370 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: detail was being called in because the operators were with them, 371 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: where Steve and Night were alone with the cops. Does 372 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: that make sense? We had we had our your guys 373 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: were with other people from the embassy that would report, Man, 374 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: hey this guy had stepped you know, stepped the food 375 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: outside the base. She don't fit. It was being reported. 376 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: It was weird. It was weird, but the orders or 377 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: did not leave the base. Obviously we're talking we're talking 378 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: about an organization that we can't talk about. Right, I 379 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about because you mentioned it 380 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: in the book and going into the same thing because 381 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: again you know, different countries, but working with with your 382 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: people and those people and Bolivia, there was a lot 383 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: of animosity even there. And I that's when one of 384 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: the guys who worked for that other organization told me, 385 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: you think it's bad here in Colombia's a hundred times worse. Wow, 386 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: it it was because he had been there when Yeah, 387 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: one of the guys had been down there, and he goes, 388 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot worse down there. So you 389 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: know what that makes. You know exactly what that makes. Thanks, 390 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: So we worked. Yeah, but I wanted to ask you 391 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: guys about and you know, you guys talk about in 392 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: the book and both of you have been there. The 393 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: prison I've I've heard that the prison that Pablo built 394 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: for himself. I've seen the pictures of it. Obviously, it 395 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: doesn't look like any prison I have ever envisioned in 396 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: my life, and it looks like someplace I couldn't afford 397 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: to go on vacation. But I heard that the pictures 398 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: don't even do it justice how lutch that place was. Yeah, 399 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: and you're absolutely right. The pictures don't do it justice. 400 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: It was we suspected, but now I said, and remember 401 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: there were Columbia had a law or rule that nobody 402 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: could go vist it Escbar at the prison. That was 403 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: part of the condition. So obviously, you know, everybody was 404 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: obeying that, you know, you know, Columbian rule. So we knew. 405 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: But once we got there, what what we saw, It 406 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: was like wow, this uh, we were totally wrong. This 407 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: is They called it a a country club, they called 408 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: it the cathedral. There were only one set of bars, 409 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: and that was if people would go to the front, 410 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: they would see some bars, but it was just one sided. 411 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: Everything goes was open. When we got in there, Escobar 412 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: had his own apartment and all that Steve explained it here. 413 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: He had her own apartment. The other inmates had there. 414 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: There was no jail. Cell had their own apartments on 415 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: the back and all of a sudden we discovered chalis, 416 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: that's what they were calling them. He had built chillis 417 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: on the side of the mountain. Right besides the prison. 418 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: There were like fancy apartments camouflaged. Some of the most 419 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: beau You know, what always stuck in my mind was 420 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: you know he had this giant TVs, remember the big 421 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: sunnies that city, the giant gerator freezers in this on 422 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: the sides of the mountain built into the apartments. Uh, 423 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: there was no cell. His his apartment, Escortbar's apartment overlooked Medien. 424 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: It had one of the beautiful pretty sides would ever see. 425 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: There was Uh, Medine is sort of in a valley. 426 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: The prison was on top. He could see all the city. 427 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean beautiful and uh, like I said, it was 428 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: just luxury inside the apartments that they had built there. 429 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: So there was no prison cell. There was a country 430 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: club type setting. And obviously we'll get into the pictures. 431 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: Do you even explain the you know, the apartment his apartment. Yeah, 432 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: so when you when you went into Bablo's, uh, I 433 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: can't even call a prison sail because it's just such 434 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: a jo. It's a two room. So you go in 435 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: there and you know you've got side by side refrigerator, freezer, 436 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: full size microwave, custom built cabinetry. Uh. He had color 437 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: coordinated draperies, that fiery pattern on the drapery and his 438 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: couches and his furniture. Um, he had professional artwork hanging 439 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: on the wall, and it wasn't you know, it wasn't 440 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: like the cheap things we get to hear at the 441 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: keya store, you know. It was. He had a Salvador 442 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: Dilly original worth over three million dollars hanging into his 443 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: two room suite of the prison. I was just ridiculous. 444 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: He had a Botero original. Fernando Botero is a famous 445 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: artist in Columbia that's still not today. And he had 446 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: a Boltero original worth one point five million dollars hanging 447 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: in in the first you know, in his living room area, 448 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: and then you go into the second room and it's 449 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: a combination bedroom office. He's got a fireplace, he's got 450 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: a custom built bed that's bigger than any king sized bed. 451 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: And there's there's one of the three of us on 452 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: this podcast right now that actually slept in that bed. 453 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Uh and I left because of his reputation. Um. Pablo 454 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: had his own private bathroom with a jacuzzi touch. And 455 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: you've been to prisons around the world. What do they 456 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: have we call group shower exactly don't drop so. Um. 457 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: He had a walking closet and behind one of the 458 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: drawers you pulled the door out, he had a safe 459 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: hidden in there where where your long clothes would hang 460 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: in the closet, you can move those back. And there 461 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: was a hidden button up in under the shelf. You 462 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: put that button and the wall popped open. There was 463 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: a hiding place back there for him in case, you know, 464 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: he thought of wealth, the green goes come to get me, 465 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll pop in there and and they'll never find me. Well, 466 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: we found that, you know, we like to think we 467 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: found his happy ass in there. It was just it 468 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: was just ridiculous. And you know, full blown soccer fee 469 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: complete with lights. You know, I've got four kids. Uh, 470 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: three of my kids played soccer growing up. We never 471 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: had lighted soccer fields and they grew up after Pablo 472 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: Escobar's time in prison. It was just it was just 473 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: like Hoger said, the country left setting. It was a 474 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: joke when we were told by the Columbia National Police 475 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: that after Pablo did his time in prison there, he 476 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: had plans he was gonna open up this resort area 477 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: because he felt like people around the world would pay 478 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: money to come and sleep in a bed or you know, 479 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: come and hang out where Paublo Escobar was in prison. 480 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: And you know, as well as we do, there's some 481 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: sick people in this world that would pay them good 482 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: money for that. And then, uh, you alluded to before 483 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: the pictures. Yeah, we found a lot of photos of parties, 484 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: so that we're going on. Inside the prison, there was 485 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: a lot of neglejays, you know, the lingerie type stuff 486 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: for women that would come in. Then we started seeing 487 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: the parties. He had a bar, you know, a drinking bar. 488 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: It's at the prisons, you know, Uh, lives to a bar. 489 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: Pictures and they left because when he escaped, obviously he 490 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: left a lot of stuff behind. Uh. They were you 491 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: know what, he had a drum set there. There were 492 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: photos of the other traffickers. There's one trafficker a dressing 493 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: uh drag. Uh. You know. The guy's name is Popeye, 494 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: one of the most deadliest Chicargo's public warhead in prison. 495 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: You know, he spent about what twenty years there. He 496 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: came out about five years ago. But we have pictures 497 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: of Popeye, Sean Heidel alaskiez vosk Is dressed in drag 498 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: at parties inside. Then we started seeing letters and you 499 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: know what, one of the talk shows I've been in 500 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: Columbia that were questioning, oh, that is not true you know. 501 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: You know, I told the radio of about her. I said, 502 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: you think we're making this stuff? Man? You know we 503 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: we were reading letters from mothers offering their daughters to 504 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: old visit public Escobar obviously for money. I mean that's 505 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: to the extent of there's crazy people out there. There's 506 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: weird people. But you know, I remember and Steve knows, 507 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: and we read the letter. There was just a mom offering, hey, 508 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: here's a picture of my daughter, and then tons of 509 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: other women, Hey here's my picture, please let me come 510 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: visit you. I mean that's just a sick uh, you know, attitude. 511 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, it was cuttry club, it was party, uh, 512 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: you know in the sex toys. Oh man, there's tons 513 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: of things. Story. There's a Ever catches that photo of 514 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Ever see we when we put it up on one side, 515 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: it's vibrators all that sort of stuff, and no whatever 516 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, but you know the orgies. Now, 517 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say one thing, buddy, I gotta 518 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: you know what, the orgies. Probably bar loved it, but 519 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't make him a bad guy for loving orgies. 520 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: So I just put that everyone has their own saving graces. 521 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and Steve, Steve, I wanted to ask you. 522 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: There was a picture of you, I guess it was 523 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: Pablo's death and you were sitting behind it in the prison, 524 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: and he had some figurines. It looked like, I don't 525 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: know whether they were the soldiers or cops. What was 526 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: what was the point of that? You know, those are 527 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: the figurines are they're about this big? You could still 528 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: buy him in Columbia as a souvenir, and it was 529 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Columbia National Police officers. And and what we believe the 530 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: reason he had it there is because when he sat 531 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: sitting behind that desk and he's holding court, you know, 532 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: he's visitors coming in to see Don Pablo or El 533 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: doctor or Opal Fesso or whatever you wanna call this guy. 534 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: You know, he leans over and he says, you see 535 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: these I own them. I own the whole country of Columbia. 536 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: I'm Pablo Escobar. And he says, rightfully, said, look at 537 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: the deal I've got. Now he's supposed to be in 538 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: prison and it's a country club, you know, And so 539 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: it was not the way of him going a governor Columbia. 540 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Here's to you. It's ridiculous, okay, that that makes a 541 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of sense, because you know, when I've seen that picture, 542 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: I was trying to make sense. I didn't know if 543 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: that was like, uh, some trophy for like guys. He 544 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, we all know he assassinated so many cops 545 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: and judges and the Minister of Justice and uh, actual 546 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: presidential candidates. So I didn't know if that was some 547 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: kind of a trophy that. That was one of the 548 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: questions I had, because you know that's uh, I mean, 549 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: when you see the pictures of that president, it blows 550 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: you away. I mean, we should all live so badly, 551 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: you know. That's yep. And like like we said, it 552 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: wasn't a prison, and and you have the question we 553 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: we we could asked a law of this. Why did 554 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: the government Columbia accept that deal? And if we can 555 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: just demand that, I mean it's hard for everybody to 556 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: understand why would Columbia allow the biggest narco trafficker killed 557 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: what we claim the numbers ten to fifteen thousand people 558 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: that public Square ordered killed his cicario, Popeye claims the 559 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: figures closer to fifty people. Pablo Escobar's own personal cicario 560 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: claims it's Pablo killed fifty anyway, So going back, it's like, 561 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: why would the government of Columbia accept that and then 562 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: accept that nobody can come and visit Esquire normally, no 563 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: law enforcemental security can come in and check on him. 564 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: Well that's a great question, right, I mean why would 565 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: they do that? I mean, there's always two sides to 566 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: the coin. So and if you remember, I mean you 567 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: were there with the military, but you remember all the 568 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: car bombs that were going on during that time, all 569 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: the assassinations, and we can talk about all the you know, 570 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: the cop killings for bounties. So it was just Columbia 571 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: was tired. It was tired of people were getting killed 572 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. On weekends in Many there was 573 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: three to four hundred people on a weekend in Many itself, 574 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: only in that city. So when when uh Pablo es 575 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: Bar and obviously you know what he knew what he 576 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: was doing because of all the killings that were going on, 577 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: that's what he called the government Columbia said, I'll surrender 578 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: and I'll stop my bombing campaign. And the conditions were, 579 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: I build my own person, i will pay for it. 580 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hire my own prison guards, I'll pay for them. 581 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm take my own cicargo. Is that way they can 582 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: protect me and nobody can come and visit me in 583 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: the government Columbia except that that deal. Right now, the 584 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: bombing stopped, the killing did stop. But he's render so 585 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: like I said, and I'm not if you put yourself 586 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: in the president's shoes of Colombia, and I'm not saying 587 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: we were a gained at but if you look at 588 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: the other side of the coin, is how many people's 589 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: life were saved by those conditions. We never liked that deal, 590 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: and be upfront with that, we we hated that deal. 591 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know if you're the president of what 592 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: would you do right exactly? You know, because I was 593 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: talking with some of the guys who had been there 594 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: longer than then, you know, before I got there, and 595 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: they said, during that time, just prior to him and 596 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: turning himself in, there was like ten to fifteen car 597 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: bombs a day. It was like more than by Route, 598 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: which at that time by Route was considered the car 599 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: bomb capital of the world. But they said Colombia was 600 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: probably worse during that that error just before he turned 601 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: himself in. Well, you know, after his escape Tuesday, um, 602 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: we go out on operations and and you know, you 603 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: get back here, if you've been on Halo operations, they 604 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: bring you back in four dark. And so we're grabbing, 605 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: you know, our wonderful dinners of rice and potatoes every night. 606 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: And we went in the backfield of the police base. 607 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: You know, many he is built kind of an bowl, 608 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: and we're on one side of the bowl. And at 609 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: nighttime there's a big open field and so you could 610 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: have a cold beer and walk back there and you know, 611 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of bonding with your Columbian counterparts 612 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: more or less, and just kind of relaxing. And that 613 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: night we heard seventeen car bombs go off in one night. 614 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's outrageous, you know, and us 615 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: to be a US law enforcement we weren't used to 616 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: car bombs. We've never encountered that, so that was completely 617 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: new to us. That's more like you said, that's something 618 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: you see in in foreign countries. Yeah. Yeah, And you 619 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: were absolutely right, ten to fifteen on a daily basis 620 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: car bombs. I mean, it was just the violins your 621 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: crosses and the kidnapping started, uh, kidnapping journalists and boundaries 622 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: on police officers, you know, and uh, you don't how 623 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: much he was paying for a killing of one police officer. 624 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: A hundred dollars ahead. That's what the life of a 625 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: human being, a police officer in Colombia was at that time, 626 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: hundred dollars ahead. So all the cicarios were killing as 627 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: many cops as they could and they would call collect 628 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: the money at the end of the day. Uh so 629 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: what what was you know, a human life worth a 630 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for Colombian police officer. In thousands of Colombian 631 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: police officers were killed. But you know, but and you know, 632 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: and I always was stationed. My mind is in the 633 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: scriminate Carbond anywhere, any time we came close to some 634 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: even his targeting police, he put him at restaurants. Remember 635 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: when he said then he started talking in so now 636 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: rosa are which is bobata, which is all the and 637 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: they posed that that we had but it was just wild, 638 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: wild was back then. You yeah, and you know, um 639 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: with all the the killings that were done then, and 640 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing that the people, I mean eventually they 641 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: turned against him. Obviously in Median you know, he had 642 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: spent a lot of his money. He he did build 643 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: some schools he built, you know, clinics for the people 644 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: down there. But you know a lot of people like 645 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: to say, well, he was kind of like Robin Hood, 646 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: and I've read in your book, you guys make it 647 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: very clear he wasn't Robin Hood, you know, not at all. 648 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: He was bloodthirsty, but he did have some organizational skills. 649 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean he took he took himself up by the 650 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of probably by default. He started off as a 651 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: small time hood and then then uh probably in the 652 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: space of less than ten years, he became the number 653 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: one narco organizer in the world. And he had up 654 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: to I think you guys said he had up to 655 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars. Is that that wasn't That wasn't us 656 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: saying that. That was Forbes magazine. They estimated his wealth 657 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: in between eight and thirty billion dollars, not million billions. 658 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know, when you and you're talking about 659 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: him being the Robin Hood. He just he was the 660 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: master manipulator. That's only was. It wasn't anything Robin Hood 661 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: is about that, you know, because he would go in 662 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: and he did do those nice things you said that 663 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: that is those are good things for people that are 664 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: living on the edge of a trash dub. But when 665 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: he needed new Cicario's new guys to come and you know, 666 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: be his bodyguards and all that, that's right where he 667 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: went back to. Of course, he manipulated those people because 668 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: they're thinking, oh man, this is like a god. We 669 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: sure Popolo will kill for you, will die for you. 670 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: So he really manipulated those people. And you know what, 671 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: if you go down to that area of meeting today, 672 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: that's brio Pablo Escobar, Man, you don't want to go 673 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: in there and say anything bad about him, because those 674 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: people still think he's some kind of hero. And I remember, 675 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned the bulk where I interviewed one 676 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: of the Cicarios and uh, you know that's just where 677 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: I I really you would you got to know Pablos bar. 678 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: But but I'll always remember this young Cicargo fifteen years old, 679 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: remember the boundaries on police officers. He admitted to me 680 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: he had already killed ten police officers. But what stuck 681 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: in my mind was what he told me. He says, 682 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: he says, Mr Panion, and I'll never get he says. 683 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: You know what he says, I will die and I 684 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: will kill for Pablo Escar and what you alluded to 685 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: right now, he's giving my money. He's given my mom money. 686 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: She was able to buy a little house. She's got foods. 687 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: She you know, she used to be poor. Paublo gave 688 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: us a new life. So my allegiance, you know, I 689 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: will die and I'll kill for Pablo Escbar. He's our hero. Uh, 690 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: he says, uh. And and then that's what he told me. 691 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: He had already killed ten police officers and he said, 692 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: I'll be dead by twenty two, twenty three years old, 693 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: but I will die for Paublo Escar. And if you 694 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: mult apply that attitude by five Cicario's that's where you 695 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: have that loyalty of the Cicario, the assassin willing to 696 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: kill and died for publish are like we saw in 697 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: other countries, right, you know what we're facing with. How 698 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: do you you know, the suicide bomber, how do you 699 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: deal with those? And it's something we're not used to it, uh, 700 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: that we have never seen. So it was it was 701 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: just a different war back then. But like Stevens, absolutely correct, 702 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: you're going too Medie right now. You you know, I 703 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: tell people don't batmouth publicist war in Medie because there's 704 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: still people that believe that he is that hero. And 705 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, I hope we dispelled that myth, but you know, 706 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: don't you know, avoid problems Basically, what you know, the 707 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: majority of the Colombians hate popular Escobar. They know the 708 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: real truth. But if you go back to that little 709 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: fan base that he had and talked about carras maatic 710 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: leader probably used to go down personally and recruit this thugs. 711 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, they he was there, they'd be about three 712 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: hundred waiting for him. They would hear, hey, the boss 713 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: is coming, he's looking for cicarios. You'd have three to 714 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: four hundred all waiting for him, and Pablo would kiss him, 715 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: hug give him money. So it was that charismatic site 716 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: that Pablo Escobar had. Yeah, I often wonder about a 717 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: guy like him, if he chose a different life path 718 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: where he had been successful doing something like legally. I mean, 719 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: because you talked about that, and I saw some of 720 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: the during the it was during the Nacos films where 721 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: they actually had the actual film of him when he 722 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: was trying to run for Congress and he had huge 723 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: crowds around him, and you all often wonder, you know, 724 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,959 Speaker 1: if a guy like that who had that kind of 725 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, he could draw people to him. If he 726 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: chose a different path, would he had been successful doing 727 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: something else? Steve? I think Steve got frozen. And yeah, 728 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: if you know what, and you're absolutely right, if he 729 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: would have been a good guy, if he would have 730 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: been he would have been a great president of Columbia 731 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: because he was sharp, he had that charismatic he was 732 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: street smart. Uh, he knew how to give orders, you know, 733 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 1: so that would have probably made him one of the 734 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: best presidents Columbia you don't ever had. But I mean, 735 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: obviously he didn't take that rock. He chose the rout 736 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: up being a like I said, uh, trafficker and uh 737 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: published wart. You know, he didn't didn't kill one person. 738 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: He'd killed as many as possible. Uh. During you know 739 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: that fag he had with Columbia. Well, while we're waiting 740 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: for Steve to reconnect here, UM, I wanted to talk 741 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: to you after he escaped. Uh. You know, that's when 742 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: the search block resumed and you guys are involved in that, um, 743 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: and that's when you know they started taking down his 744 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: organization one one piece at a time. And that that 745 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: was where one of the discrepancies, and the Narco show 746 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: came about where and said you were working with those 747 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: peppers and we know that that wasn't really true. Well, 748 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought that and I'm gonna explain nothing, Steve. 749 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: You're back right, you can hear. Yeah, I apologize, guys, 750 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm yeah. Anyway, those papers and that's the only personal one. 751 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: And you know what I suffered because of that, Man, 752 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get indicted. I mean I 753 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: was accused. There was an article written in the Miami 754 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: Herald UH which claims that says that how we are 755 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: opinion was involved with little papers, and man, that was like, oh, 756 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: and you know how that accusation comes in, you know 757 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: when it's in the US preyer us UH. And obviously 758 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't true. Real quick, and know we're running out 759 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: of time too. But what happened is when Pablo Esbar, 760 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: when he escaped, the first colonel running the base was 761 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: pretty much afraid of going awfter Pablo Escobar, so we 762 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: rallied and he did not like the SF guys. Oh man, 763 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: he did not like I mean, we had a lot 764 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: of problems with US A guy because Colonel Martinez the 765 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: original commander that was they're chasing Paublo Escar on the 766 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: first search. After Esbar surrendered, Martinez was sent out of 767 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: the country, you know, to give him a break, because 768 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: the man, you know, he needed a break. It was personal. 769 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: Escbarb was trying to kill Martinez's family, so they were 770 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: sent to Spain. So when Escobar escaped, the assigned this 771 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,959 Speaker 1: week w a k colonel to run the base. Man 772 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: we had more problems with him. We should have had 773 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: Esbar in the first two or three days because we 774 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: had him located. The operators would tell us he's exactly 775 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: here at this location. Colonel, we need manpower. Do not 776 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: want to go out after a populism bar. So once 777 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: Martinez gets back, he's assigned and manage made a difference. 778 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, we started seeing this guy 779 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: named Don Berna at the base and man or something, 780 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: you know, and Steve and I would talk to him 781 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: because he was working with the cops, you know, with everybody, 782 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: and he had his own he had about twenty bodyguards 783 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,720 Speaker 1: with him and Colonel Martinez. I'll learn again to Colonel 784 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: who's this guy? He has said he's kind of shaky. 785 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't try and Colonel Martinez's here. We don't trust 786 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: him either, but he has been assigned by the Columbia 787 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: Attorney General to help us in the search for Asootball. Right, 788 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: so that was like, hey, okay, he's not our informant, 789 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: he's your informant. So all of a sudden, Don Berna 790 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: is protecting Steve and I because we would meet informants 791 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: through the eight hundred number and the cops who were 792 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: busy and a lot of times we're doing five six operations. 793 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: It was don Berna who was protecting us, right, who 794 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: would send Matt Power to make sure that we were 795 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: not gonna get killed. It was not a setup. So 796 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: long story short, after US war gets killed, blah blah 797 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: blah that stuff, we find out that Don Berna was 798 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: actually the leader of Los PEPs. But that was like 799 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: what the two three years I think afterwards quite a 800 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: while quite a time after, right, Yeah. So we so 801 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: then the accusations that you know, we know don Berna, 802 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: he protected us, we never did anything with him, and 803 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: that's when the accusation came in about me working with 804 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: Domberna in the Narco series. Uh, basically how that happened? 805 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: You know what and I knew about it, you know, 806 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: the Eric Newman called me, so your hey, your second season, 807 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna make your character be out, you know, more 808 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: a little bit on the dirty side, you know, the 809 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: womanizing working with domb Barn. You know that. We know 810 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: it's not true ever here, but you know what, I 811 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: was making money off of Netflix, so I didn't give 812 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: us ship. So I said, all right, and I had 813 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: to sign a paper say that I would not sue 814 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: Netflix for my character assassination. So you know, and the 815 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: other point I told people, you know what, if all 816 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: that was true, I'd be getting out of prison right 817 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: about now. So that wasn't the actor they had, Oh 818 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I was about to 819 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: say the act. The actor they had playing Don Berner 820 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 1: looked exactly like at least the pictures I saw in 821 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: the books, And you're right. When I saw the actor 822 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: on stage, I thought it was a real do burn. 823 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: I was, like, I thought, because you know, we I 824 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: know dom Barn and I saw they did a great job, 825 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, depicting don't burn them, but we know don't 826 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: burn a matter of fact, I think I think I 827 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: mentioned the book right. He gave me a watch after 828 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: publish war gets killed a hundred thousand dollars doesn't. But 829 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't accept the gift in one of 830 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: the colonels majors that you just take it. So I 831 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: called Joe cab obviously, you know, we sent the watching 832 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: to headquarters. And by the way, just before retiring, I 833 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: went up to headquarters and I'm gonna mention her name. 834 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: There was a big boss a d a were that 835 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: Don Berness watched. So, uh, Steve, Steve, you were in 836 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: Mandy because if I remember writing the book, Hobby, I 837 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: was chasing down a a lean somewhere else on the 838 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,240 Speaker 1: day that Pablo got a cop and you were actually there. 839 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: Can you talk us through that that that last day 840 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: of his Sure, that's you know, And just started out 841 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 1: with my only regret that whole day was that I'm 842 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: year it wasn't there, because you know what, I was 843 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: in Columbia three years. Hobby was down there six and 844 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: a half years, so you know, and I came in 845 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: he'd already been to three years, and I came into 846 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: a great situation because he had already earned the trust 847 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: and respect of the Columbia National Police, and simply because 848 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: he and O were partners. You know that they accepted 849 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: me down there. But it turns out that I used 850 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: to carry a camera and a video camera. I always 851 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: had a steel camera with me in the thirty five 852 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: million meter wherever we went on ops, and you just 853 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: never knew what you're gonna see. And and you know 854 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: how beautiful Columbia is, there's always my scenery. So on 855 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: that day, I was actually over in the you know, 856 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,839 Speaker 1: there's a quad out there where the barracks we were 857 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 1: staying at in the offices were, and I was actually 858 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: standing in the room with all the US operators just 859 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: chit chatting because we've you know, we've been we've been 860 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: together for eighteen months and you get to be pretty 861 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: good friends with a lot of those guys. UM. And 862 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm just standing there shooting the breeze and and all 863 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see the executive staff for Corner 864 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: Martinez rushing over to his office. And you know in 865 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: law force, what we call that a clue who you know? 866 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: Because something's going on? Right? Um, So I told the 867 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,399 Speaker 1: operators and said, I'll go check out and see what's 868 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: going on. Get back to you. And I go over there, 869 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: and the nice thing was, we had such a good 870 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: relationship with Colonel Martinez that he saw me come up 871 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: to this door of his office and he motions for 872 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: me to come on in, and one of the lieutenant 873 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,439 Speaker 1: Colonel's whispers over and says, hey, they think they found 874 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: in Pablo Escobar. And so we're listening on mil walkie talkie. 875 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: Is is Colonel Martinez is issuing orders And you know, 876 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: as we all know, the guy that found Pablo Escobar 877 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: that day using radio directional finding equipment was Colonel Martinez, 878 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: his son, Lieutenant Martinez. So that's you know, it's pretty 879 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: cool that you got this this good guy father's son 880 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 1: team going to go up against this bad guy father 881 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: son team because Pablo who is he talking to, Yes, 882 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: son Juan Pablo, who was back in blue with time. So, um, 883 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, the Colonel Martinez his issue in orders. Listen 884 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: to secure the site. We're loading up the search block. 885 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, we're on our way, but don't lose it. 886 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: Don't take any chances of losing Pablo, because Lieutenant Mark 887 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: he is confirmed he saw Pablo Escobar looking out the window. 888 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 1: He saw with his own eyes percent confirmation. Well, you know, 889 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 1: looting six hundred troops that it takes a little while, 890 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: and what's not You're do in two minutes, right and 891 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: you so you gotta muster the troops. You gotta issue weapons, 892 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: you've got to make sure everybody's accounting for you gotta 893 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: give assignments. You gotta get the vehicles out, thank you. 894 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,919 Speaker 1: Uh he throws up again. Well there he is. Yeah, 895 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: so oh well anyway, he's uh, I'll finish the story 896 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: unless he comes back up on So okay, yeah, yeah, 897 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,479 Speaker 1: and basically, like you said, Colonel Martinez is giving order. 898 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: Stevens okay, um, I apologize for this. The schools are 899 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: using the internet around here. It's killing the signals. Um. 900 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: But you know what happened was the unit that was 901 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: out there, and this is the unit that having I 902 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: lived with and working with, they went ahead took the initials. 903 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: M h still frisen. Yeah yeah, yeah, and I know 904 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: we're coming to the inn, right, so let me You 905 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: want me to finish, yeah, so sure, Yeah. The cops 906 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: we worked with, they went up they they you know, 907 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: went into they saw public war talking. So a guy 908 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: bodyguard comes out. Remember we're safe. Escar had five bodyguards 909 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: to working one guy. So he the cops engaged him, 910 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: they kill him. So he's in the front. They go 911 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: up the stairs and and publics on the rooftop now 912 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: and he's trying to leave, but he's shooting back at 913 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: our guys who are chasing. There's a firefight. Uh, problem 914 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: gets it a couple of times. Then all of a sudden, 915 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: like I said, it's uh, he he you know what. 916 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: He died shooting at the police. The police were the 917 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: one who uh later on, you know, they shot him, 918 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,799 Speaker 1: hit him a couple of times. Public Bart you know, 919 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: dies on that rooftop. Then uh, like I said, that's 920 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,479 Speaker 1: where Steve shows up, you know, And like I said, 921 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: Steve the only one who who had a camera and uh, 922 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: and Steve showed up with Colonel Martinez. So it takes 923 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,240 Speaker 1: the famous photos, you know, the guys. Obviously Steve takes 924 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,280 Speaker 1: one of himself, right, the guy with a red shirt. 925 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 1: And uh, but you know what it was. And we 926 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: always tell people the the it was a Columbian cops 927 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: who killed Paublo Escobar. Nobody else was involved in that. 928 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of other theories out there. Uh, special 929 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: forces guys, of course they could have done it, but 930 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: they were not there. And you know what, and I 931 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: like the Columbians. They told me how he don't take 932 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,360 Speaker 1: this away from was this is we get criticized for everything, 933 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, the guys, you know, that's why we always 934 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: say the Columbia Nationals the search block. They were the 935 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: heroes that they led by Colonel Hugo Martinez and his son, 936 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Martinez. They are considered the heroes and nobody else. 937 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: So again, they're the ones who took down poblisk. Who 938 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: are They took their country back from a guy who 939 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,760 Speaker 1: killed about fifty people. Steve's back on it. I finished 940 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: your stories, Steve. That's okay. That's it's that, you know, 941 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: the schools all doing virtual stuff. The Internet is a 942 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: kind of sketchy thing these days. I wanted to ask 943 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: you guys about the show Narcos. I know they took 944 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: a few liberties. Obviously we mentioned the lottest pepperies thing. Um, 945 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: they didn't kill your cat. I understand your cat died 946 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 1: of old age. Correct, that's correct. They did it on Columbia. 947 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: But you had a heart attack. Yeah, so I imagine 948 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: that ticked off your wife when she saw that on 949 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 1: the on television. But I wanted to ask you guys both, 950 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: what did you think of the actor who played Pablo, 951 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 1: Because I thought he was brilliant And now I didn't 952 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: know Pablo Escobaro like you guys knew him a lot better, 953 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 1: but it seemed like he captured the essence of the 954 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: guy that we expected to see there, and he actually 955 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: was able to project a little bit of I'm not 956 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: gonna say sympathy, but yeah, a little bit of sympathy 957 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: for the guy. I thought he was brilliant. And I 958 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 1: heard that just prior to that, that this guy didn't 959 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: speak any Spanish. Yeah, what wag no mora Brazilian? Are 960 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: you hit it right on the on the your description 961 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: did a great job, phenomenal job, and uh blagn Moore 962 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: did not speak Spanish. In fact, I was there when 963 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: he first stowed up and met the eve. Uh well, 964 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,720 Speaker 1: I was there. We were scouting areas. I was showing 965 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: the Netflix people the locations and web more fluent. So 966 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 1: I made him did not speak Spanish can he believed 967 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: that the streets fatty. So he got there about a 968 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 1: couple of months before they started film and immerged himself 969 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: in a in a language school and when he came 970 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: on man, he was speaking that perfect Median accent in Colombia. 971 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: If you're from medi and you have a very distinct accent, 972 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: which published Bar had a very distinct It's a Pisa accent. 973 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,720 Speaker 1: And he cornered that accent to a t. He walked 974 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: like him, he talked like him, he acted like Paublo Escobar. 975 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, just did a phenomenal job. Wagner More a 976 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,080 Speaker 1: Brazilian actor, in depicting h paubloz War Then Steve, you 977 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 1: do a good with a sympathy, right, I mean yeah, 978 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: So you know in the second season there it shows 979 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 1: there there was a downtime before his capture where we 980 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: weren't getting any tips or leads, and it was, you know, 981 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: you're very frustrating. When the show Narcos, they showed that 982 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: Pablo had gone out with his father out on the farm. 983 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,719 Speaker 1: Well that's Hollywood, because if we know, man, we'd have 984 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: gone out to the farm and got Pablo. Right. But 985 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: you're watching Wagna Morgan this time and playing Pablo and 986 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 1: my wife are sitting there and the next thing you know, 987 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: I catched myself feeling sorry for Pablo Escobar, and I thought, 988 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm on the good side he's on the 989 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: bed side. But that's the quality of actor that Wagner 990 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: Moore was. And you know what, in real life, he 991 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: is one of the most nicest, most humble people you 992 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 1: ever meet, just unassuming. You know, he doesn't come around 993 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: with any cocky attitude or anything. And his wife is 994 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: just as sweet as he is. I mean, he's just 995 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: one of the nicest people you ever meet. Yeah, And 996 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, I thought again, I thought he was really 997 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: brilliant and that because he was able to project that 998 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: and I think, um, I read somewhere where you guys 999 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: were talking about what a weird character Escobar actually was, 1000 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: because you know, he's on the phone with his wife, 1001 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: telling her how much he loves her, he miss is 1002 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 1: here and you're getting this human sense of him. And 1003 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: at the same time, in the background, he's he's telling 1004 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 1: his sicarios to shut the guy up in the back 1005 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: of their torture and in the other room. I mean, 1006 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,600 Speaker 1: how is that? I mean, that's and that's some crazy 1007 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 1: stuff there, and you know what that is. And you 1008 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 1: know what, and I listen to that conversation, I'm you know, 1009 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm listening to it, and it's it's just like you said, 1010 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: he's telling his wife he misses her, he loves her, 1011 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 1: he wish was you know, and this is what we're chasing, 1012 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 1: right and then you know, he's just sweet talking and 1013 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden in the background and you hear 1014 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: a shriek. It's a one of those yells. And all 1015 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: he does is trying to cover the phone, but again 1016 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: turns around, says cover his mouth, and then continues talking 1017 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: to his wife, I love you, will be together soon. 1018 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: And so I'm I've always thought of that. That poor guy, 1019 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: they're torturing him. You know, Uh, he was probably killed 1020 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,080 Speaker 1: right after that conversation. But how do you how does 1021 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,680 Speaker 1: a person, a human being just go from one from 1022 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: zero to a hundred and you know, in less than 1023 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: a second. You know what, But that was Pablo Escobar 1024 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: at his best and at his worst. Yeah, And Steve 1025 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: um the the character Colonel Carrillo in the in the series, 1026 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: is that based on Colonel Martinez? Is that was? Uh? 1027 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: It is that kind of like his personality? Well, it 1028 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: was completely different. It was. He was very different. He 1029 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,680 Speaker 1: was so there was no Colonel Carea. That was that's 1030 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: Hollywood made up, like he showed his career killing that kid. 1031 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: That didn't happen. They showed that they captured Gustavo Gaberio 1032 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: published cousin and torture him and then shot him. That's 1033 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: not true. That's I mean, he was killed in a 1034 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: gun battle, but there was no kidnapping, torture and then 1035 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: a murder committed. But in real life, Colonel Martinez was 1036 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 1: very tall. And as you know you've been down their, 1037 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Columbians as a as a people are not the men 1038 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: aren't really tall for the most part. I mean I'm 1039 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 1: six too, and I was taller than most Columbians down there. 1040 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: But Colonel Martinez was about six too. Carried himself very professionally. 1041 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,480 Speaker 1: He had a uh an air about him that his 1042 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: mannerisms and his temperament that you wanted to work for. 1043 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 1: The guy, you know, is one of the people that 1044 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: you really look forward to working for. You had that 1045 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: much respect for him. Uh. He was fair, he would 1046 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: entertain him and I, uh, you know, my even with 1047 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,200 Speaker 1: my bad language skills, uh, he was still very patient 1048 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: with me. Um. And you know, the day that Pablo 1049 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: was killed, as soon as you know they said Paul 1050 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: was killed, I ran back and told the US operators 1051 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: what had happened, and I could jump on the phone 1052 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 1: to call our Boston poverty well they I couldn't get 1053 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,440 Speaker 1: hold of it. It It took me probably five minutes before 1054 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Mr Tall of our country out of Shay came up 1055 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: on the phone in the first and you sell on 1056 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,160 Speaker 1: the phone, was they got Pablo. I'm like, well, no kid. Oh. 1057 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,440 Speaker 1: So in the meantime is all this is going on? 1058 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,200 Speaker 1: The search block leaves and tough Toles tells me, he says, 1059 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: your job is to gut there. Confirmed that's Pablo Escobar. 1060 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: So I'll run back in the barracks and I'm grabbing 1061 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: my gear. I come running out and every vehicle in 1062 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 1: the compound is gone. The only people there are the 1063 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: guards on the gates and meet in the Secretary of 1064 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: Staff and I'm thinking, oh, ship, what am I gonna 1065 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 1: do alone? And behold colonel. Colonel Martinez come of driving 1066 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: back in with his bodyguards and his driver a jeep, 1067 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,920 Speaker 1: and he looks over and he hollers out and they 1068 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 1: have it's a hard time saying my name Steve. It 1069 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 1: came at a steak or stick, it's like, And I said, Colonel, 1070 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I need to ride out to the to the site. 1071 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 1: You know, and he's like, come on to go with me. 1072 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: So I rode out to the site with Carla Martinez. 1073 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: And that's the kind of guy he was. I mean, 1074 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: just you know, I loved him as a brother in 1075 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I had the utmost respect for him. You 1076 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 1: can imagine what he was going through because his son 1077 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 1: was out there on the front lines and and uh 1078 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: you know his wife. I mean, Pablo sent death threats 1079 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 1: to him and his family. The people were they lived 1080 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 1: in an apartment complex in Bogatai. Everybody else in the 1081 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: apartment complex and a letter to Colonel Martinez and his 1082 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: family asked them to move because they were afraid that 1083 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Pablo would bomb they're building. That's the kind of lifestyle 1084 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: people were having lived under the pressure and the anxiety 1085 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 1: that goes along with that. It was. It was a 1086 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: horrible situation, but the utmost And I heard as I 1087 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,480 Speaker 1: came back in h I heard, have you're telling you 1088 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 1: that the Columbians are the true heroes. You know, people 1089 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: call homey and heroes, which is a lot better than 1090 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,840 Speaker 1: most names we've been calling through our law enforcement careers. 1091 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: But we weren't heroes. We were just professional law enforcement 1092 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: guys doing our job, and like JP said, I'll backing 1093 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,920 Speaker 1: up a hundred percent every time. The Columbian National Police 1094 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,959 Speaker 1: and true heroes because they took their country back. Well, 1095 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,439 Speaker 1: I hate to disagree with you, but you two guys 1096 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: are heroes too. So hey, hey, we we really want 1097 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: to thank you guys today. This was a blast for me. 1098 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, I you know, I lived in Columbia 1099 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,360 Speaker 1: during that time frame. I didn't have anything to do 1100 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,439 Speaker 1: with what you guys did. But being down there, it's 1101 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,480 Speaker 1: a It is a gorgeous country. I love the people, 1102 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: and it was a very interesting time there, and you 1103 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,360 Speaker 1: guys were on the front line of all that. And 1104 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I encourage all our listeners out there by the book. 1105 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,680 Speaker 1: You won't be disappointed. The book is fantastic. It's a 1106 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: great read. It tells both of your stories. It tells 1107 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,240 Speaker 1: both of your perspectives when all this was going on. 1108 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 1: I really like that part because it bounces back and 1109 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: forth between both of you guys, and uh, it was 1110 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,600 Speaker 1: a fantastic book. As as much as they took a 1111 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: few liberties with the show, I really liked the show Narcos. 1112 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: In fact, this morning, to get ready for this, I 1113 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 1: was watching some of the episodes from season two today. So, uh, 1114 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: that's when I saw Hobbier with with one of Pablo's 1115 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: girls there and I was like, hey, I just got 1116 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: one question from you before we finished up. You were 1117 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: down there during that time, didn't and I wonder if 1118 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: you had any same girlfriends and how here did Well 1119 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 1: that was right before I actually it was right after Columbia. 1120 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,720 Speaker 1: I came home and I met my wife, So when 1121 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I was down there, it was it was, let's just 1122 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: say it, that side of the Colombian lifestyle was everything 1123 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: was made up to be. That's beautiful county and what 1124 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,600 Speaker 1: we encourage our listeners visit Columbia's a safe plays, beautiful plays. 1125 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: They got some uh you know, let's say, great history 1126 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 1: and what's the only caveat? And I've already told you 1127 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 1: all right, if you go to Belly and you did 1128 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: not bat mob, Pablo number one tourist attraction, Pablo Istubar's 1129 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 1: great side. So wow, that's amazing. Yeah, that is well. Again, 1130 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: we really want to thank you guys. This was fantastic. 1131 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,120 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time and we all salute your service. 1132 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: You guys were on the front line at that time 1133 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: and we all know that. You know, once he went down, 1134 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: others took his place. But you know, you guys were 1135 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: there when the country needed you, and I think the 1136 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: Colombians appreciate you even more. So thanks again, um, and 1137 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,439 Speaker 1: this was a lot of fun and I would love 1138 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 1: to get you guys back on in the future. So, uh, 1139 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: thank you for making us so much fun for us 1140 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 1: to Yeah, thank you for your service. You know you've 1141 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,439 Speaker 1: done a lot. We want to thank you man, You've 1142 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: been out there, You've got a great story, So thank you. Buddy. Well, 1143 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate that I was s F n c O 1144 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,880 Speaker 1: and then to the armis eternal regret they made me 1145 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: an officer. So but yeah, thanks again guys, this was 1146 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: super or been. We want to thank everyone for listening 1147 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: to Software Radio. If you want to get software on 1148 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,120 Speaker 1: your phone, download our free mobile app. Get easy access 1149 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,440 Speaker 1: to our articles, podcasts like this one, Gear reviews and 1150 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: all perfectly format it to your device. 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