WEBVTT - The Illusion of Motion

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<v Speaker 1>Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D

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<v Speaker 1>Wind your dancing night? Where do you wander into night?

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<v Speaker 1>Where would you lead? If I keep you in? Find

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<v Speaker 1>willow the wind? Where you're that kind of Norman? For me? Modeste?

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<v Speaker 1>What about you beg of me? Done for the same

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<v Speaker 1>Will of the Wind. I'm Toby Ball and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Strange Arrivals, Episode seven, The Illusion of Movement. In March

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<v Speaker 1>of nine, the area around Hillsdale County, Michigan, experienced a

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<v Speaker 1>wave of UFO sightings that eventually garnered too much media

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<v Speaker 1>coverage for the Pentagon to simply ignore. The Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>sent Alan Heinek, the consulting scientists to Project blue Book

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<v Speaker 1>to see if he could find a satisfactory explanation. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>George Pruitt from w j R Radio in Detroit interviewing

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<v Speaker 1>Project blue Book head Major Hector Quentinilla the local news run.

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<v Speaker 1>An Airporce investigating team is looking into the runch of

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<v Speaker 1>UFO reports that have taken place in southeastern Michigan. The

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<v Speaker 1>team is headed by Dr h Alan Heineck of Northwestern University,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the Air Force Scientific Adviser on project of

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Book. That's the Air Force project to investigate UFO

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<v Speaker 1>reports w j RS Bill Jolls, contact of the Momentary

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<v Speaker 1>Cheaper Blood projects of White Potters and Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>near Dayton, Major Hector's Lindonella and had some questions for

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<v Speaker 1>the leaguer about the investigations. No, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that general mentors the public and you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>mean so many you received word uh, any other organization

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps or radar you know with one of the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force bases or something is also spotting these. We are contact,

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<v Speaker 1>try to defend devided nothing and needs you need now

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<v Speaker 1>is investigation in tale we'll talk and do the deep

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<v Speaker 1>collection trancition. What obsurred, trying to den turn motivity and

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<v Speaker 1>caring to conceded in that fashion. Alan Heineck hit the

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<v Speaker 1>ground in Michigan with two ex dictations of him find

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<v Speaker 1>an explanation for these sightings and find it fast. It

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<v Speaker 1>would not prove to be that easy. Host of the

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<v Speaker 1>Sascer Life podcast, Aaron Gallias. What he finds are that

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<v Speaker 1>the witness statements are while there's a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>they aren't necessarily consistent. And Heinek at this time had

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<v Speaker 1>been involved in Air Force investigations of UFOs since the

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<v Speaker 1>ninet and in one capacity or another, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting very frustrated, not only with the Air forces seeming

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<v Speaker 1>reluctance to dedicate serious scientific sort of resources to this,

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<v Speaker 1>but also with what he would call the quality of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the witness statements that he was having to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with. It's hard to take a scientific approach sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't have sort of the raw materials of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to work with. Heineck's interviews were not limited to eyewitnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the sightings took place You're ann Arbor, home of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Michigan, he was able to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>local experts in astronomy, botany, and other subjects, hoping they

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<v Speaker 1>might help uncover a prosaic explanation, author Mark O'Connell. And

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<v Speaker 1>after interviewing all these people over the course of several days,

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<v Speaker 1>Heinech he's he's been getting pressure the whole time he's

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan from his boss holder press conference. Tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>it was just nothing, Tell them it was just something natural.

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<v Speaker 1>Quentinila's pressure meant that Heinech had to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a quick solution, too quick Heineck believed for an investigation

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<v Speaker 1>to truly get to the bottom of this series of sightings,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is resisting because he says, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is. I don't know what they saw,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't want to have a press conference until

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<v Speaker 1>I can say something that I really believe is true. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>his boss at Project Luba Hector Kingtonia, basically says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing a press conference Friday at five period. You're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a press prenference and you're going to give the

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<v Speaker 1>media a natural explanation for what's going on. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>to this press conference and it becomes incredibly famous in

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<v Speaker 1>Ufo lore, and it's it's well known in the region

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<v Speaker 1>there in southeast Michigan. Even people who aren't Ufo people

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of a sort of folk memory of this.

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<v Speaker 1>He basically says, in a roundabout way that what what

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<v Speaker 1>was seen at various places by various witnesses matches many

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<v Speaker 1>of the conditions required for ignited swamp gas. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>term swamp gas is unfortunate because why you still might

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<v Speaker 1>not believe that it is the cause of the sightings.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as ridiculous as it sounds. It's a real phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pressure was such that Heinech had to go

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<v Speaker 1>with it because it was the best he could do

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<v Speaker 1>in that time frame. Here's Heinek talking about this explanation

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<v Speaker 1>on Voice of America DA. And let me remind you

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<v Speaker 1>that all that was described, with the exception of two people,

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<v Speaker 1>The great majority of the people described only lights a

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<v Speaker 1>glow and rather small red, yellow, and green lights. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this occurred near a swamp or at

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<v Speaker 1>a swamp in both cases a great number of observers

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<v Speaker 1>were referring to that. Those two events led me to

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<v Speaker 1>follow that as a clue. Now, an astronomer doesn't usually

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<v Speaker 1>worry about swamps. His eyes are looking elsewhere generally, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a in his rapid and as thorough away as

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<v Speaker 1>was possible in that time. I did UH notice, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>that in Professor Minaret's book and Minhart as an astronomer,

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<v Speaker 1>he describes in his book light and Color in the

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<v Speaker 1>Open Air. He describes lights of these colors green, red,

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<v Speaker 1>and yellow and white h as dancing around swamp areas.

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<v Speaker 1>The willow lewis sometimes called Egnis factors and UH known

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<v Speaker 1>by other names. Also. I believe fox fire is another

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<v Speaker 1>name given to it. Heinich talked with professors of chemistry, zoology,

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<v Speaker 1>and botany to get more information. He learned that the

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<v Speaker 1>vegetation decomposing under the winter ice would produce gases, including

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<v Speaker 1>one called phosphene. And the phosphene can, they tell me

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneously ignite after the when the spring thaw comes and

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<v Speaker 1>the gases can be can bubble up from and get released.

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<v Speaker 1>The guesses can ignite spontaneously, and they flicker all over

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<v Speaker 1>other place, though flicker at one place, then go out

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly appear someplace else, which gives the delusion of motion.

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<v Speaker 1>And this description fit quite well the description that both

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<v Speaker 1>the many co eds at the Hillsdale College uh told me,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the policeman who were actually in the swamp

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<v Speaker 1>and saw off the lights themselves. Remember Bud van Horne's

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<v Speaker 1>description of the lights that he saw near Hillsdale College

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the surface of the earth on the ground. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel that it was, because it moved very

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<v Speaker 1>freely from left to right and right to left at

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<v Speaker 1>various times, which it would be impossible for a type

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<v Speaker 1>of week ago on wheels or on the ground. Too

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<v Speaker 1>that because of the market portion area. Heinik went on

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<v Speaker 1>to specify that the swamp gas explanation applied only to

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<v Speaker 1>this case and not as an explanation for UFO sightings

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<v Speaker 1>in general. But I would like to emphasize here that

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<v Speaker 1>this does not, in no sense of the word, this

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<v Speaker 1>particular explanation which refers to these two specific cases. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I trying to give a blanket interpretation or a blanket

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<v Speaker 1>solution to the entire uful phenomenon. Given the pressure he

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<v Speaker 1>was under, this was the best Heineck could do. But

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<v Speaker 1>while a case could be made that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>plausible explanation, the nuances were lost on the press, who

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<v Speaker 1>not surprisingly fixated on the term swamp gas. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>say that that is what it is. It just said

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<v Speaker 1>this is one possibility of what people might have seen

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<v Speaker 1>that is an explainable, sort of supportable thing. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>come out and say it was swamp gas. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>reported in the media is Air Force says UFO sightings

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<v Speaker 1>are swamp gas. Basically, a flying saucer expert hired by

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<v Speaker 1>the Air Force today dismissed reports of weird flying object

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<v Speaker 1>excited throughout southern Michigan this past week. Dr J. Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Heinick told a news conference in Detroit this afternoon, and

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<v Speaker 1>this leads to a huge backlash against the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>which is accused of not taking witnesses seriously, not taking

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<v Speaker 1>the subject seriously. The public dissatisfaction was taken up by

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<v Speaker 1>future President Gerald Ford, who at the time was a

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan Congressman and minority leader of the House of Representatives.

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<v Speaker 1>The Congress should investigate the rank of reported sightings of

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<v Speaker 1>unidentified flying objects in Southern men and other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. A congressional inquiry would be most worthwhile because

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<v Speaker 1>the American people are becoming most interested in in many instances,

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<v Speaker 1>very alarmed by the UFO story. I firmly believe the

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<v Speaker 1>American people would feel much better if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>full blown investigation of the life incidents. A second Congressman,

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Rausch of Indiana, also express frustration with the official explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>People want to know what a UFO is, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>any chance that we have to to learn, we should

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of us. When you tell them American, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't explain it. He wants to know, why can't you

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<v Speaker 1>explain it? Why doesn't someone explain it? I want someone

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<v Speaker 1>to explain it. And I think that kind of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>is going to change the view of many government on

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<v Speaker 1>officials and members of Congress in the future. The swamp

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<v Speaker 1>gas explanation, whatever its merits, had only increased suspicion that

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<v Speaker 1>the government was not acting in good faith. As the

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<v Speaker 1>face of the investigation, Heinich was the obvious target, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just he's getting squeezed in this vice because on

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<v Speaker 1>the one hand, all his UFO friends are furious with

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<v Speaker 1>him because they all thought this was the big one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the case that nobody can explain away. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the case that proves that we're being visited by

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<v Speaker 1>spaceships from another world, and Heineck didn't give them that. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the people in Michigan were also furious with him because

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to be saying that you people in Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>are a bunch of dopes and you can't tell swamp

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<v Speaker 1>gas from a UFO, and what is wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Heineck felt that his scientific objectivity was being called into question,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was viewed as a mouthpiece for government obfuscation.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the lawnforcement officers in Michigan that that Heinech

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with Bud van Horne, for example, who has involved

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<v Speaker 1>his a civil defense official and law enforcement officer connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the Hillsdale sidings. He believed the hine came in

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<v Speaker 1>with his mind already made up. Bud van Horn, you

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<v Speaker 1>both in fact, he watched one last time. I wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>do you going on to the theory and Mr Van

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<v Speaker 1>Horne that it would be gas out there? Because this

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not Bob, very definitely not Bob. I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Mr Van Horne, when you didn't report this

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<v Speaker 1>to the nearest Air Force and had them send some

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<v Speaker 1>planes over to investigate what this thing actually was while

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<v Speaker 1>he watched it from the eleven until two. Because on

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<v Speaker 1>the previous reports to self rate the air Force base,

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<v Speaker 1>I have received very far reception and he had been

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<v Speaker 1>made to look like a very uh ignorant person. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't figure this solved. They had this US hole

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<v Speaker 1>investigating program. But if I had to give an eye opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say a lot of and say either they

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<v Speaker 1>just playing our answer every report they receive remains means

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<v Speaker 1>to favor words, or else they know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's evident in hindsight that whatever else you think of

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<v Speaker 1>Heineck's investigations, he did seem to be genuinely trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure things out. While he was initially a skeptic, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't undertake investigations with the predetermined conclusion in mind, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of how it looked to the public. After this, heine

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<v Speaker 1>begins to realize more and more that the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily interested in determining what people might be seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really just interested in clearing the cases and ensuring

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't think that it's anything out of the ordinary,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he's sort of been playing a role in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way Blue Book operated helped contribute to that perception.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think this, especially the way the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>sort of positioned him as almost the public face of

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<v Speaker 1>their ridiculous explanation, put him more on guard with with

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<v Speaker 1>respect to how the Air Force handled things and pushed

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<v Speaker 1>him more towards trying to investigate things more with an

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<v Speaker 1>open mind. And this was the point at which heine said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm not going to let the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force put me in this situation again. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to carry their water anymore. And at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Heineck's name had been all over the news. People outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan and who weren't part of the small population

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<v Speaker 1>of UFO enthusiasts identified Heinich as the expert on UFOs.

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<v Speaker 1>There was this vast middle ground of people who thought, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy knows what he's talking about. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who knows all about UFOs. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would see this researching his files. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>transition between early nineteen sixty six and later in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six, when all of a sudden, his correspondence in

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<v Speaker 1>his files just expands like you wouldn't believe. Heinek was

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<v Speaker 1>getting fan letters from people all over the country, all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world, people saying, I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about my experience. I want to tell you about this

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<v Speaker 1>thing I saw, I want to tell you about my

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<v Speaker 1>theory of of reality. He was just getting fan letters

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<v Speaker 1>from people everywhere. So even though the swamp Gass case

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<v Speaker 1>at first glance looked like it could have basically ruined Heineck,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have destroyed him in a very strange way,

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<v Speaker 1>it made him more popular and more credible than ever.

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<v Speaker 1>People around the country, but especially in Michigan, insisted that

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<v Speaker 1>the swamp gas explanation could not stand. They wanted accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted Congress to step in. So Gerald Ford and

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<v Speaker 1>another one of his colleagues in the Congress actually held

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<v Speaker 1>hearings just a couple of weeks after all of these

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<v Speaker 1>events took place. Heineck, of course, was the star witness.

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<v Speaker 1>His boss, Hector Kingtonia had basically told him you stick

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<v Speaker 1>with the company line or else. Well, Heinick didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. This is how much Heineck had change.

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<v Speaker 1>He was now willing to buck, really openly buck his

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<v Speaker 1>superiors at the Air Force. When it became Heineck's time

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<v Speaker 1>to address the Senate Panel, the Senate Committee, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>towing the company line, Heinech pulled out a like five

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<v Speaker 1>page prepared statement that he had not cleared with his

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<v Speaker 1>bosses at the Air Force at all. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>complete surprise to the Air Force people. Heineck pulls out

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<v Speaker 1>this prepared statement and he reads it to the Congress

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<v Speaker 1>people and he makes the case for we need to

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<v Speaker 1>get together the country's brightest scientists, and we need to

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<v Speaker 1>fund a study program by which these scientists can spend

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<v Speaker 1>all the time and all the resources they need to

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<v Speaker 1>investigate these really important cases. What Heinick was doing was

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<v Speaker 1>calling for an investigation by people outside of the military

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<v Speaker 1>into the cases that had proved most difficult to explain.

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<v Speaker 1>But even when the military wasn't involved, they were involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the Air Force wouldn't run the program, they would

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<v Speaker 1>organize it. There were calls in Congress for a more

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<v Speaker 1>scientific approach to this, and so the Air Force was

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<v Speaker 1>basically commissioned by Congress and funded by Congress to bring

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<v Speaker 1>together scientists from all over the country and give them

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of reports from the Air Forces Project Bluebook

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<v Speaker 1>effort and have these scientists sort of independently review these reports.

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<v Speaker 1>In April one, one month after the sighting at Manner Farm,

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<v Speaker 1>Gerald Ford, a man who would soon as sent to

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<v Speaker 1>the Presidency, sent out a press release taking credit for

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<v Speaker 1>pressuring the Air Force into quote arranging for a study

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<v Speaker 1>by high caliber scientists of some of the UFO sightings

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<v Speaker 1>which have never been explained. Retired Air Force pilot James mcgahey,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted m I. T to do it, and m

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<v Speaker 1>my team told him where they could go. They were

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<v Speaker 1>not interested at all. They got Dr Edwin Condon at

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<v Speaker 1>University of Colorado to accept it. He was a had

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<v Speaker 1>been chairman of the National Bureau of Standards. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a very famous quantum mechanics physicist, one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. He was a very, very imminent scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>He put together a team to do the investigation, which

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<v Speaker 1>became known as the Condent Report, and that team for

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<v Speaker 1>about two years investigating current sightings in the Best Cases

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<v Speaker 1>in Blue Book. On October seven, a press release from

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<v Speaker 1>the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public

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<v Speaker 1>Affairs announced that the Universe the of Colorado had been

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<v Speaker 1>given a contract of more than three hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to quote analyze phenomena associated with UFO sightings and to

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<v Speaker 1>make recommendations on the Air Forces methods of investigating and

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<v Speaker 1>evaluating UFO reports. Congress had signaled that they were serious

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<v Speaker 1>about the UFO question. Heinick was no longer responding to

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<v Speaker 1>the Air forces pressure to explain away compelling UFO sightings.

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<v Speaker 1>The committee began their work in November after the break

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<v Speaker 1>after the Michigan UFO wave of j Alan, Heinik found

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<v Speaker 1>himself off in the strange position of having both experienced

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<v Speaker 1>his greatest professional humiliation and at the same time risen

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<v Speaker 1>to prominence as the publicly recognized expert on UFOs. In

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode, we looked at the archetypal story of

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<v Speaker 1>the hero's journey, where the hero goes from normal life

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a mysterious or mystical world where he fights

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<v Speaker 1>a battle and emerges back into the normal world, transformed

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<v Speaker 1>and with a message. We tracked how Heinich left the

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<v Speaker 1>normal world of an academic to immerse himself in the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation of UFO sightings taking place across the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>while the vast majority of cases were easily solved, that

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<v Speaker 1>left a small number that defied explanation. Given the available

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<v Speaker 1>resources these cases Socorro, New Mexico, Hillsdale County, Michigan, and others,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Air Forces seemingly prioritizing public debunking over actual investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>lad Heineck to a crisis of conscience. What exactly was

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the project he was spearheading. The review,

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<v Speaker 1>organized by the Air Force and known informally as the

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<v Speaker 1>Condon Committee, began work at the University of Colorado. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the final opportunity for the official assessment of the

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<v Speaker 1>UFO situation to match up with Heeneck's evolving views. Things

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<v Speaker 1>seem set up well to accomplish this. Aaron Gullias, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the sort of thing that UFO advocates, like

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<v Speaker 1>the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon or NIGHTCAP and

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<v Speaker 1>its leader Donald Kehoe, had been pushing for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>UFO advocates believed and declared that if the UFO topic

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<v Speaker 1>could be taken out of the Air Force's hands and

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<v Speaker 1>put in the hands of independent scientists, that those scientists would,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looking at things rationally and objectively, come to

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that we were being visited by beings from

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<v Speaker 1>outer space, that at least some of the sightings were extraterrestrial.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air Force had succeeded in covering this up, but

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<v Speaker 1>if we could take it away from the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>give it to scientists, the truth would come out. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of initial hope from the UFO

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<v Speaker 1>people that the CONDOM Committee would would come up with

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<v Speaker 1>the truth about or the truth as they wanted it

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<v Speaker 1>found about about UFOs. Heineck himself express optimism that the

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<v Speaker 1>committee shared his outlook. This is Heinik from his February

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<v Speaker 1>seven appearance on k ABC TVs press conference. The kind

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<v Speaker 1>of committee, and Colorado has in charge now with the

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility of taking a scientific look at UFOs and ed condons.

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<v Speaker 1>Has was for years, as you know, in the director

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<v Speaker 1>of the view of Standards, and they very solid person

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<v Speaker 1>in his whole field. But as you probably suspected, he

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<v Speaker 1>was disappointed when the report was finally released in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, the Condom Committee issues their report. Their report,

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<v Speaker 1>their conclusions are basically not too different from what the

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force had said in their Project Bluebook investigations. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of sightings that people report are the

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<v Speaker 1>result of people misidentifying planets, stars, satellites conventional aircraft. These

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<v Speaker 1>sightings could in overwhelming numbers be explained, and while there

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<v Speaker 1>was a significant number of cases that could not be

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<v Speaker 1>immediately explained in a conventional manner, that does not prove

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<v Speaker 1>that these are alien craft. Visiting Heineck found this acknowledgement

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<v Speaker 1>that there were unexplainable cases hardening, despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the report's conclusion and the summary released by Condon himself

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<v Speaker 1>were definitive in dismissing the UFO issue. Surprisingly, the count

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<v Speaker 1>of Committee built their final report, they built a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>strong case for the continued study of UFOs, and Heineck

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<v Speaker 1>found that very encouraging. For instance, Heineck noted that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the common features of many UFO sightings was that

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<v Speaker 1>car engines and radios would fail, and he was pleased

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<v Speaker 1>that the Connan Committee would look at this phenomenon. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Heinik again from his interview with k ABC. Cannot

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<v Speaker 1>speak for them obviously, but I understand that they are

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<v Speaker 1>undertaking investigations of physical things, for instance things many many

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>reports come in saying that persons car was stopped, UFO

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<v Speaker 1>came by and their car stopped, and when up left

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<v Speaker 1>the car started again. And in the conclusion of the

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<v Speaker 1>section on indirect physical evidence, the report reads of all

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<v Speaker 1>the physical effects claimed to be due to the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of UFOs, the alleged malfunction of automobile motors is perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the most puzzling. The claim is frequently made, sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>reports which are impressive because they involved multiple independent witnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses seem certain that the function of the cars was

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<v Speaker 1>affected by the unidentified object, which sometimes reportedly was not

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<v Speaker 1>seen until after the malfunction was noted. No satisfactory explanation

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<v Speaker 1>for such effects, if indeed they occurred is apparent, so

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<v Speaker 1>still puzzling. Unfortunately, the head of the committee, Condon, wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a summary of the report in which he just completely

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<v Speaker 1>demolished the idea of UFOs, said, they're ridiculous. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>waste of time and a waste of money to be

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<v Speaker 1>studying these things. And a lot of people who read

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<v Speaker 1>the report simply read Condon's summary and didn't read the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and those parts were unsparing in their assessment.

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<v Speaker 1>The second paragraph of the first section of the Condon

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<v Speaker 1>report says, quote, our general conclusion is that nothing has

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<v Speaker 1>come from the study of UFOs in the past twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one years that has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration

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<v Speaker 1>of the record as it is available to us leads

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<v Speaker 1>us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be

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<v Speaker 1>advanced thereby. Later, in the same section, it concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no defense value in continuing this work. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>This question is inseparable from the question of the national

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<v Speaker 1>defense interests of these reports. The history of the past

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one years has repeatedly led Air Force officers to

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that none of the things seen or thought

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<v Speaker 1>to have been seen which passed by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>UFO reports constituted any hazard or threat to national security,

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<v Speaker 1>much as was the case with the Robertson panel, there

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<v Speaker 1>were grumblings that the connon Committee had begun their work

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<v Speaker 1>with the conclusion predetermined. The most notable piece of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>for this assertion is a memo written by an assistant

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<v Speaker 1>dean at the University of Colorado named Robert Lowe to

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<v Speaker 1>two men in the university hierarchy. At the time, the

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<v Speaker 1>university had not yet committed to undertaking the committee work

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<v Speaker 1>and are evaluating if they should do so. The memos

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<v Speaker 1>summarizes various faculty members arguments for and against taking it on.

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<v Speaker 1>The controversial passage reads quote, the trick would be, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>to describe the project so that to the public it

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<v Speaker 1>would appear to be a totally objective study, but to

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific community would present the image of a group

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<v Speaker 1>of nonbelievers trying their best to be objective, but having

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<v Speaker 1>an almost zero expectation of finding a saucer. This passage

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<v Speaker 1>can be read to mean that it would be difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to produce a report that satisfied both the public and

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific community, or it could mean that the fix

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<v Speaker 1>was in from the beginning, that before they even looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the evidence, the outcome was predetermined there were no

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<v Speaker 1>flying saucers, so they missed the message, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>one of these forests for the trees things. They read

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<v Speaker 1>Condon's summation and thought, oh, well, there's nothing here. We

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<v Speaker 1>can trust this guy. He says there's nothing here, So

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing here. But regardless of these objections and the

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<v Speaker 1>admission that some of the sightings were not able to

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<v Speaker 1>be explained the public who was given the headline and

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<v Speaker 1>not the details, the story that is sort of broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>by the media, sort of simplifying things like the media

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<v Speaker 1>often does, is that scientists conclude UFOs are not alien spacecraft.

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<v Speaker 1>Is basically the headline that goes out and due to this,

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<v Speaker 1>the the Air Force uses this to say, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had our conclusions. Scientists independently arrived at their conclusions,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we can shut down Project Blue Book. The

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<v Speaker 1>issue has been settled. There's not a danger to national

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<v Speaker 1>security here. This isn't something the Air Force needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the business of now. This is not to

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<v Speaker 1>say that the committee's conclusions were wrong. I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>think they were, but looking at the narrative of hi

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Nick's UFO work, it's another time when given the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to support his viewpoint on UFOs, the voice of authority

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<v Speaker 1>chose instead to discredit their importance or even existence. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing kind of backfired, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the people involved in the Content Committee who really felt

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<v Speaker 1>that they could make a legitimate case that there was

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<v Speaker 1>some reality to these events and that we needed to

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<v Speaker 1>study them, those those people all just got sort of sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>and the consequences were fatal for the government's investigation efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a final step, though, before the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>could close Project Blue Book. They knew that their sponsorship

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<v Speaker 1>of the Conton Committee would delegitimize the committee's conclusions in

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<v Speaker 1>some people's eyes, so they had the report reviewed. They

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<v Speaker 1>sent it to the National Academy of Sciences for them

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<v Speaker 1>to review. The report a blue Book, and the National

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<v Speaker 1>Academy of Sciences were even more positive about what they

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<v Speaker 1>said and commended conduct on one of the greatest ideas

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<v Speaker 1>about how he had approached this problem. The National Academy

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<v Speaker 1>of Science report concluded, quote, we are unanimous in the

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<v Speaker 1>opinion that this has been a very creditable effort to

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<v Speaker 1>apply objectively the relevant techniques of science to the solution

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<v Speaker 1>of the UFO problem. It's concluding sentence read quote. On

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of present knowledge, the least likely explanation of

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs is the hypothesis of extraterrestrial visitations by intelligent beings,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Air Force basically immediately closed Project blue Book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting how it was actually closed. According to mcgahey,

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<v Speaker 1>Quentinillo wrote an unpublished biography that contains this story. Quintillia

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<v Speaker 1>loaded the entire files of Project blue Book from Wright

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson Air Force Base, got on a C one eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>cargo airplane and flew to Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where the archives were kept for the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>and he handed the entire thing offloaded it off the plane,

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<v Speaker 1>signed it over to them, and got back on the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and flew back to RYE Patterson Air Force Base.

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<v Speaker 1>That was how Blue Book closed. I know this because

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<v Speaker 1>I have his He wrote a unpublished about a two

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<v Speaker 1>page biography of himself and mostly about Blue Book, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a copy of it. And he was not

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of Project blue Book, even though he

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<v Speaker 1>was the last commander. But regardless of whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>the fix had been in from the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>Condom Committee, the upshot is that by the early seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the Air Force had pretty much withdrawn, at least publicly

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<v Speaker 1>withdrawn from the UFO investigation field, and civilian organizations like

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<v Speaker 1>Nightcap and APPROO, and a new one, the mutual UFO network,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be emerging during the nineteen seventies, would be

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for collecting sighting reports and investigating things on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>So Project Blue Book ended with a fizzle, not a bang.

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<v Speaker 1>For a moment, UFO proponents and people simply wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>see the study of UFOs given some legitimacy, had reason

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<v Speaker 1>for optimism in the formation of the Conon Committee. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an expectation, given the public relations disaster around the

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<v Speaker 1>swamp gas explanation of the sightings in Michigan that had

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<v Speaker 1>more even handed in their minds, reckoning with the subject

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<v Speaker 1>would be forthcoming, but they were sorely disappointed. The conting

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<v Speaker 1>Matty may well have given a thoroughly objective report, but

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<v Speaker 1>for people such as Heineck, it seemed as though it

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<v Speaker 1>was more of the same biased assessments. But this final

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<v Speaker 1>disappointment freed Heinich from whatever constraints he had previously worked under,

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<v Speaker 1>and he emerged from his time with the Air Force

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