1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Do you have children. I've 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: got two and they're twins, boy girl, John David and 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Lucy Lynch. I want to tell you about another little boy, thirteen. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: His name Tyler Phillips. A speeding suv comes barreling down 5 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: the road. He and his sister walking in the lane 6 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: for bikes see it coming. Tyler risks his own life 7 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: and dives in front of his sister to save her. 8 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: The suv pulls him down, mos over the little boy 9 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: and keeps going. We want justice. This little boy that 10 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: saved his sister's life is dead, but the hunt for 11 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: his killer is very much alive. I'm Nancy Grace. This 12 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 13 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM one eleven, listen to this. 14 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: He's my hero, anguished cries from the mother of thirteen 15 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: year old Tyler Phillips, left for dead at the sight 16 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: of a quorum roaded by a driver who fled the scene. 17 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: He has no brain function. He's gone. Tyler's organs are 18 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: being donated. Word of the tragedy posted down the William 19 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Floyd School District website, where he was a student in 20 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: the middle school. When you play football for William Floyd. 21 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: He was a good kid. I missed my baby. Tyler 22 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: was walking home from a neighborhood park with his sister 23 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: on Granny Road along the bicycle path. It was seven 24 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: twenty five pm Wednesday when police say the siblings were 25 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: hit from behind. Tyler tried to push his older sister, 26 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Crystal Randolph, out of harm's way. You were just hearing 27 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: from our friends at WCBS two. Now take a listen 28 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: to w NBC four. Tyler's sister, Crystal, also thirteen, was 29 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: walking home with him last night along Granny Road in 30 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: Medford towards Route one twelve when they were struck. Crystal 31 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: says her brother saved her life. He saved my life, 32 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: which you mean and always being na car hit her 33 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: first and then ended up like I guess he wants 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: to go jump and grab her and it just took him. 35 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: She said. She watched him flyings in the middle of 36 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: the street and she pulled him out the street. She 37 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: called to Amblence. They told her to give him CPR 38 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and that wasn't joining me an all star panel of 39 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: guests to make sense of what we know right now. 40 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: But first I want to go to special guest joining us. 41 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: It's Dorian Geiger, national crime reporter and editor with Oxygen. 42 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at d Guy sit 43 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: on Insta at Dorian Geiger. Dorian, thank you for being 44 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: with us. What happened absolutely tragic case, Nancy, As you stated, 45 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, you had this thirteen year old boy coming 46 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: home from a park with his sister on October twelfth, 47 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: round seven thirty pm, walking in a bike lane, reports 48 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: habit and dark colored sub at two thousand and five 49 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine Chevrolet Equinox struck them. Was not 50 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: did not have any lights on by all accounts, even 51 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: though it was dark out, and kept moving. As you know, 52 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: when the vehicle struck, it hit Chris delt Tyler's sister, 53 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: and he managed to shove her out of the way 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: just in time and bore the bruns of that crash. Unfortunately, 55 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: he did not survive. I'm trying to determine were these 56 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: two twins, Dorian. The sister is also thirteen. I believe 57 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: she's fourteen, and that's according to what their mother, desire 58 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Max Is posted on Facebook. So I don't believe they 59 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: are twins. I believe she's fourteen, a year older. I'm 60 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: wondering when the posting was, but in any event, the 61 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: two of them were incredibly close and had been through 62 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: so much together. So not only does the guy plow 63 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: down the little boy, he keeps going. He absolutely keeps going. 64 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: There's no way. Let me bring in Robert Farley, joining us, 65 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: former detective at the Cook County Sheriff's Police Department, also 66 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: with the US Marshall, commanding officer of the Child Exploitation 67 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: Unit and a consultant. You can find him at Farley 68 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: International far l e YI NTL dot com. Robert, thank 69 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: you for being with us. There is no way in 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: h L this driver did not know he had something. Nancy, 71 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right with my own experience on 72 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: the police department. What I've found is that most pedestrian 73 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: deaths are the result of driver negligence and as a result, 74 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at some of them, in 75 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: some cases you'll have a distracted driver because you have 76 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: a carload of kids their lap and they're joking. In 77 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: other cases you have the influence of drugs or alcohol. 78 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: You might have a situation where the person was texting 79 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: as the person was driving. Here in Chicago, where I 80 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: spent most of my career where I live. In some cases, 81 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: it could be a stolen or a carjack a vehicle, 82 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: you know. In some other cases you'd have an underaged 83 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: driver who was driving the car without permission, or you 84 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: have somebody who's suspended or doesn't even have a driver relations. 85 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: So there's a whole variety of your reasons why people 86 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. Not justifying it, certainly, but it's a horrible, 87 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: horrible thing, especially when you have this little boy, you know, 88 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: going save save his sister and you know, tragically die 89 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: as results. I'm looking at a picture of him, Tyler 90 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Phillips carrying his sister on piggyback, incredibly close and have 91 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: been through so much, and they're very short lines. They're 92 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the same age as my twins. And to think this 93 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: s ob mowed this boy down and just kept on going, 94 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: not even trying to determine is the boy dead or alive? 95 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: If it's alive, can I help him? What, if anything, 96 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: can I do? I take a listen now to our 97 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: friends at w NBC four. The crash happened around seven 98 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: thirty last night. It was already dark. Crystal told us 99 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the suv had no lights on. Police are currently looking 100 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: for the vehicle. We expect the vehicle involved to have 101 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: front end or side passengers damage. We are currently canvassing 102 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the area for witnesses and video. The siblings have been 103 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: hanging out at this Gordon Heights Children's Park, the closest 104 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: playground to the shelter where they have lived for a 105 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: year or Most of the families do not have transportation, 106 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: so they walk to where the closest places for entertainment, 107 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: and that small park is the closest place where they 108 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: finally can go. I want to talk about his injuries. 109 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: I know he suffered extreme brain damage on impact after 110 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: his spinal cord became disconnected from his skull. Doctor Kennel 111 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Crowns is with US Esteemed Chief Medical EXAMRA out of 112 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Tarrant County that's in Fort Worth Lecturer University Texas and 113 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: Texas A and M also a University of Texas medical branch. 114 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. What does 115 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: that mean? Extreme brain damage pact after spinal core becomes 116 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: disconnected from skull. So what that is is basically it's 117 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: called an internal decapitation, so the head has separated from 118 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the neck, and the skeletal structures and attendance are no 119 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: longer keeping it in place, and basically it's held on 120 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: usually by skin only. So he has been decapitated, essentially, 121 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: but his head is still attached because of whatever skin 122 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: and tissues still holding it at place in that situation. 123 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: You know, when I asked you that question, doctor Kennel Crowns, 124 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: I did not anticipate your answer, which is something I 125 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: would never, of course do in court. Ask the question 126 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: you don't know the answer to may not like it. 127 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Could you repeat that very very slowly, sure, doctor Crowns. So, 128 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: based on the description you've given me, what that is 129 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: is an internal decap pitation, and what it is is 130 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: the head. It's separated from the neck, but it's still 131 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: being in the skeletal structures, the musculature all that have 132 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of been torn, but it's still being held in 133 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: by a few amount of soft tissue and skin. So 134 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: his head is separated from his neck, and it's only 135 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: it didn't come off of his body because it's still 136 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: being held in place by a skin and soft tissue. 137 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: So let me understand, the spine connects the body to 138 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: the head and then the skin around in front and 139 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: around and in the back of your neck. You're saying 140 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: that the spine was severed, so the head is no 141 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: longer disconnected to the body except by the skin holding 142 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: in a place correct And potentially the spinal cord could 143 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: still be intact, but stretched to a point that it 144 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: is completely damaged. It can either be torn in half 145 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: or stretched really bad, and he would be looking at 146 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: if there would survival, he would be basically a quadriplegic. 147 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: A quadriplegic means you have no use of your arms 148 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: or legs. Well, everything from chin down would be nonfunctionate. Okay, 149 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but could you explain 150 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: what's the difference in what you just said and not 151 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: having use of arms or legs? Oh? Well, not much 152 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: except for the fact that you know, he wouldn't even 153 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: have next movement or anything like that. You have no 154 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: use of his arms or legs, no ability to control 155 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: his bowel or bladder. Potentially would be on a respirator 156 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: to breathe, and even eating would be difficult, so he 157 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: would get a G two or a gastric feeding tube 158 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: put in. So I always feel like you know when 159 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: you say no use of arms and legs. That is 160 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: just a component of the overall picture, because it's a 161 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: lot more than just you can't move your arms and legs, 162 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: but all these bodily functions are also damaged as well. Okay, 163 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: hold on, you called it an internal decapitation, so he 164 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: would not be able to use his arms or legs, 165 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: he would not have any control over urinating or defecating, 166 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: and he would only be able to breathe with a 167 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: machine or than likely. Correct, Well, then what about the 168 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: brain damage. The brain damage can be it's probably from 169 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: being struck by the car. He's either heads no, I mean, 170 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, doctor Kendall Crowns. Let me clarify my question. 171 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking nothing below the neck works, would the 172 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: brain work. The brain would still work, but he's probably 173 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: had head trauma as well that has caused significant brain 174 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: damage to go on top of the internal decapitation. So 175 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: he's heably doesn't have much function at all with all 176 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: those injuries. So they're keeping the little boy alive on machines, 177 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: and if they take away the machines, he'll die, right, correct, 178 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: He is being kept artificially alive. And to top off 179 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: all of this, his sister, who's the closest person in 180 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: the world to him, is right there and sees this 181 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: happened to her brother. Now, I don't know what injuries 182 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: would be visible on the outside, but probably to her 183 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: thinking he looked okay, maybe bruised, not knowing that he 184 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: had actually been decapitated, an internal decapitation. I'm going to 185 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: get into how we're going to find this suv that 186 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: also did not have its lights on, which I think 187 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: is very telling. But take a listen now to our 188 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: friend Paisy Chang NBC four. Tyler just celebrated his birthday 189 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. He attended William Packham Middle School in Mastic Beach, 190 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: where his mom says he played football. Tonight, they are 191 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: pleading with the driver to come forward. They try to 192 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: resuscitate him in ambulancy got he was gone for thirty minutes. 193 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: They took him to sunning Brook Hospital and then he 194 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: was His rood of brain and his skolga separated and 195 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: he has no brain function. He's gone. Time stories with 196 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me. Doctor Angela Arnold renounced psychiatrists out 197 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold, MD. 198 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Dot com Doctor Angie, I want you to hear what 199 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: the sister says. Take a listen to our friends at 200 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: w ABC seven walking with his sister Crystal, who tells 201 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: us they never saw it coming, just a quick glimpse 202 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: of an SUV with no lights on. Well, I think 203 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: it was a great card. Crystal has a screened arm, 204 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: but they tell us this could have easily been two 205 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: kids killed. The car hit her first and then ended 206 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: up like I guess. He wants to go jump and 207 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: grab her and it just took him, a tragedy that 208 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: is sadly no surprise to many who live near this 209 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: busy stretch of road. He want to stop son, and 210 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: he's beef no reason and more from w NBC four. 211 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: This boy just celebrated his thirteenth birthday on Tuesday, and 212 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: now his family is in morning. The sister telling us 213 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: tonight that her brother is a hero. They were walking 214 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: along this street right here when he pushed her out 215 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: of the way to avoid a hit and run driver 216 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: that then drove away with an unspeakable grief over the 217 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: loss of her baby. Thirteen year old Tyler Phillips struck 218 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and killed by a hidden run driver truck right, Can 219 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I go beg you thigh? Now tell him lookt him 220 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: make up truck? It was? It was a G. It 221 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: was a G. We believe gray in color. To Dorian Geiger, 222 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: joining US National Crime Report and Editor with oxygen, what 223 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: do we know about the vehicle itself? Well, Nancy, we 224 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: know what's what appears to be a two thousand and 225 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: five to two thousand and nine dark colored Chevrolet Equinox. 226 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: And again it was traveling with its lights off, as 227 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: you said. But that's really all that we know at 228 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: this moment. Again, I reached out to Suffolk County Sheriff's 229 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: office this morning to try and get an update, you know, 230 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: just to see if there was anything. Was it gray 231 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: or black? Do we know that, Dorian? I don't think 232 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: there's a definitive. What I've just seen is that it 233 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: was a dark colored you know, Doctor Angy aren't all 234 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: was about to come to you with a I guess 235 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: the rhetorical question unless you have an answer, which would 236 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: be a miracle, why does it always seeing that good 237 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: innocent people are the ones that suffer the most, like 238 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: this little boy Tyler. Nancy, I don't think we have 239 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: an answer for that. It's it's a horrendous accident. It 240 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: was an accident, and the and the perpetrator of the 241 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: accident was horrible and not stopping. But Nancy, at the 242 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: end of the day, it was it was an accident. 243 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: And while our hearts go out because as you say, 244 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: in a minute, what why are you saying it's an accident? Well, Nancy, 245 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: somebody speeding down the street and he hits a couple 246 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: of kids while he's speeding down the street. I don't, okay, 247 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: see under the law, that's not an accident. Doctor Angie, 248 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: that's not an accident at all. Wendy Patrick joining me, 249 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author. I've read flags on Amazon. She's at 250 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick PhD dot com and the host of Today 251 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ in San Diego. Wendy, that's 252 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: total bs. When you are speeding with your lights off 253 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: at night in the bike lane and you mow somebody down, 254 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: that's not an accident. That's a vehicular homicide. Yeah. And 255 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: the difference, Dancy, the vehicular homicide. You're driving in a 256 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: manner that is completely unsafe for the conditions here. You 257 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: have a huge vehicle with no lights on, obviously driving 258 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: at a speed that is far past for the conditions, 259 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: and Moses and Mos down these two kids and then 260 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: doesn't stop, so you've also got hit and run. There's 261 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: multiple vehicle code sections, including, as you say, the most 262 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: serious when the homicide they come into play, and that's 263 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, the reason we have these statutes is to 264 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: distinguish something that was unavoidable from something that could have 265 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: been avoided if somebody had been driving peply. I'm very 266 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: curious to you. Robert Farley, former detective Cook County now 267 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: Farley International Investigations. Robert, I'll find that very curious that 268 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: this person is speeding without their lights on. You know 269 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: what makes you you wonder is I'm listening to you 270 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: talking and the other panel members. Could the person have 271 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: possibly even been fleeing some sort of crime or read 272 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: or something like that. It's my experience that that happens frequently, 273 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: that they'll turn their lights off to void detection. And 274 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: we're being told that it is a gray SUV at 275 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and five to two thousand and nine Chevy Equinox. 276 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: How are we going to find this now? I'm sure 277 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: you will remember all you illegal egals the case of 278 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots. She was the co ed who was house 279 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: sitting at her boyfriend's home with his dogs while he's 280 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: out of town. She was doing her homework at the 281 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: kitchen counter. She goes out for a jog and she's 282 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Massive hunt for Molly. It was 283 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: only when ring doorbell cams in the area where she 284 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: typically jogged revealed a vehicle going forward and reverse, forward 285 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: and reverse that aroused suspicion. But from the ring doorbell 286 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: vantage point couldn't get a tag number. But what you 287 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: could see was, let me just say, individual markings, which 288 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: I believe was due to a crash or a fender 289 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: bender along the side of the vehicle. That vehicle was 290 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: traced back to Molly's murderer. There is also the case 291 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: of a stunning Just Gorge. She looks like snow white 292 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: to me as I envisioned snow white, not in a 293 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: cartoon but in real life. Kendra Hatcher. She was a 294 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: pediatric dentist engaged in love who was shot dead in 295 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: the parking a lot of her high rise building in Texas. 296 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: No one could solve it until upon close inspection video 297 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: surveillance within the parking garage. The perp was viewed getting 298 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: back into a vehicle with significant markings on it. The 299 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock news ran that video and a guy goes, 300 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: that's my car. I recognize the body damage on my car, 301 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: and he caused police. As it turned out, he had 302 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: loaned the car to her friend, Brenda Delgado, who had 303 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: dated Kendra's then Fay, and out of scorn, she had 304 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: her murder. And it was only through identifying that vehicle 305 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: due to its unusual markings body damage, that justice was sold. 306 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: So how Robert Farley, are we going to get this sop? Nancy? 307 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: I think looking at the area, because I've taught not 308 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: only I've got put multiple times in Long Island, not 309 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: only for the Supple County Sheriff's Department, but also Nassau County. 310 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: You've got an interstate that runs across called four ninety five. 311 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: To the north of that, You've got another in a 312 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: state that runs east and west just like four ninety 313 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: five called Route twenty five. If the accident had happened 314 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: on one of those roads, it would have been more 315 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: difficult in my experience, finding the offender. This is more 316 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: like a smaller road, which would initially make me think 317 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: it's probably somebody from the area that would have been 318 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: involved in the accident, and you know, as part of 319 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: looking at it, then what we would be doing is then, 320 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, reaching out to body shops, car dealers. The vehicle, 321 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: from what I read, had sustained damage to an outside mirror, 322 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: had sustained damage to offender, and I'd be looking at that. 323 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: And again I'm thinking, in my mind, this wasn't somebody 324 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: going down the Long Island Freeway, which is ninety five 325 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: or even Route twenty five. I mean, this was more 326 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: of a what we would call a side street. But 327 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of somebody probably local or at least from 328 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: the area. I agree with you, and I agree with 329 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: everything you just said, and I rarely get to say 330 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: that to Dorian Geiger. I only hope the local police 331 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: are listening to what Rob Farley just said, Dorian. Isn't 332 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: it true? Did the little boy and girl we're headed 333 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: house a playground apart? That is correct? To the shelter 334 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: where they were staying, that is correct. Well, it seems 335 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: to me if you're around a playground or a park, 336 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: there's gonna be video surveillance cameras, AM I crazy or 337 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: doesn't that make sense to you? Yes, there were video 338 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras. I'm sure that's part of the police investigation 339 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: at the moment. Unfortunately, nothing public has been put out. 340 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: There has been reference of you know, surveillance cameras being 341 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: tapped by investigators. Unfortunately, we don't know a lot about 342 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: what they're going through at the moment. But I just 343 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: want to reiterate, you know, to anyone listening to the 344 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: show in Long Island, if anyone does see the Chevrolet 345 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Knox there is it's twenty four seven tipline that can 346 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: be called. It's one eight hundred two two zero tips. Again, 347 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: it's the two thousand and five, two thousand and nine 348 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: Chevy Equinox SUV. And like here, last guests just said 349 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: that I forgot to mention it is suspected that the 350 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: vehicle had to damage front passenger mirror, inside view passenger 351 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: mirror that's damaged as well as hill hold on, whoa yeah, 352 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean Jacob from the fire Hijan dorran Geiger damage 353 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: to the front passenger side mirror. Is that what you 354 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: just said, the front passenger mirror in a side view 355 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: front passenger mirror, correct? The front jump in. Okay, Nancy, 356 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: this is Wendy. That damage may or may not have 357 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: been fixed. But you know how many of these cases 358 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: are solved is this driver told somebody about it, and 359 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: somebody's conscious is weighing on them right now as we 360 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: cover this, and it's all over the airwaves. So either 361 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: the driver going through out of remorse, which occasionally we 362 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: see gives me some hope and humanity, or somebody that 363 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: the driver spoke to may also be an amazing source 364 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: of information that will lead us to figure out who 365 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: did it, even if we never trace it through the car. Guys, 366 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about a thirteen year old little boy, Tyler Phillips, 367 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: who dives in front of his sister. They're incredibly close. 368 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: They're living in a shelter with their mom. They've been 369 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: there for a year. He's playing football at the local 370 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: middle school and they're walking home from a park and 371 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: after all they've been through, this gray suv, believed to 372 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: be a Chevy Equinox, mows him down. He saves his 373 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: sister's life, and he dies from internal decapitation. Take a 374 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: listen to this. Adding to the tragedy, Tyler's whole family 375 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: struggling to get by in a motel that serves as 376 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: a homeless shelter. The children are often looking for things 377 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: to do and there's nothing here. It's a commercial area. 378 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: They took long bus rides to their middle school here 379 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: in Mastic Beach, a half hour away, and their long 380 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: walk home last night simply because the nearest playground to 381 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: the shelter was so far away. Now Tyler's mom grieving 382 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: and pleading for one thing. Please come forward, guys that 383 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: you are hearing our friend WABC. The mother now pleading 384 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: for people to come forward, particulist and now jeffriends. At 385 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: Picks eleven, Phillips and his sister were walking more than 386 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: two miles from the Gordon Heights Children's playground back to 387 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: the shelter where they've been staying with their mother. Phillips 388 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: and his family attend a Baptist church en route one twelve. 389 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: We spoke with the pastor of the church. That's the 390 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: love of a brother for his sister. As they were walking, 391 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: as they would hear the vehicle's approach, they attempted to 392 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: move further to the side, but unfortunately with this particular vehicle, 393 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: they didn't hear it, nor there any lights on the vehicle, 394 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: so it made it difficult for both of them to 395 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: move out of the area of danger, and so lovingly 396 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: enough he pushed his sists out of the way and 397 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: suffered the brunt of the injuries. Another thing we know 398 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: is that in that area in Quorum there are no sidewalks, 399 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: and that is why the children were walking in the 400 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: bike lane. To doctor Angela, Arnold renounced, like time, she's 401 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. What must this 402 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: little girl be going through? Her life was spared by 403 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: her brother who gave his own nancy. She has been 404 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: traumatized beyond belief. She is never going to forget this. 405 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: She's going to have times in her life when she's 406 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: better and when she's not better. Certainly I believe that 407 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: she could use some therapy immediately. She has to. First, 408 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: she's going to grieve, She's going to go through all 409 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: the steps of death and dying for her brother who 410 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: saved her life. But this is always going to affect 411 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: her nancy. She's going to have she's going to have 412 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: what we call survivor guilt. Why did I why didn't 413 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: I die? Why did he die? And another thing that 414 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: I want that I want everyone to realize is too 415 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: he is always going to be her fourteen year old 416 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: brother and her mind as she grows up, He's going 417 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: to be her fourteen year old little brother that died 418 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: that day saving her life. It's it's a trauma saving 419 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: her life. It's a horrific trauma. You know that trauma 420 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: is going to be with her the rest of her life. 421 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: There's really no question is And it affects not only 422 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: your memories, but it affects how you go through life. 423 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, losing my fiance to a murder has changed everything. 424 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it took me so long to be able 425 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: to move forward with starting a family. I was waiting 426 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: to long to the point I couldn't have children anymore. 427 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: It has affected the way I bring them up. Just 428 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: every facet of your life changes because the violence much 429 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: less violence like this that she witnessed and and she 430 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: has no justice. And you know, Nancy, it never gets 431 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: easier for anybody, just like it really never gets easier 432 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: for you. Never. This was a what you suffered was 433 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: a horrific trauma. And people think that you know by 434 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: doing these shows, and you do them, and I know 435 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: there may be people out there that think, do you 436 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: become hardened to any of this? And I just want 437 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: everyone to know that we don't become hardened to this. 438 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Every one of these stories affects us because we also 439 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: know how much it's going to affect the people that 440 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: it actually happened to. You never become hardened to this. 441 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: I feel so bad for this little girl fourteen losing 442 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: her thirteen year older brother as he saves her a life. 443 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: Will she go the rest of her life with no justice? 444 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: This hit and runs driver, like the coward he is, 445 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: takes off in the night, leaving the boy internally decapitated 446 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: on the side of the road for dead and for 447 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: all purposes, he was dead and another issue to think about. 448 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: Robert Farley joining US a former detective of former US 449 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: US Marshall, also private investigator Farley International at Farley i 450 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: NTL dot com. Robert, I'm thinking back to the case 451 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: of a gorgeous young girl, Sydney Sutherland. She went out 452 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: jogging and she was hit by a truck turned out 453 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: to be a farmer not far from her. He then 454 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: put her her body, her bleeding, into the bed of 455 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: the truck, took her off, raped her, made sure she 456 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: was dead. And do you know Robert Farley that when 457 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: his truck was finally found, there was damage on the 458 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: truck and her DNA was still in the truck bed. 459 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: His name Quake Llewellen. You know that that's something that 460 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about. I mean, I've seen accidence 461 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: like that where there will be um and again, I mean, 462 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: it sounds terrible. Your listeners might be cringing. I mean, 463 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: just like with the artificial decapitation. But you've got hair 464 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: that in some cases is embedded around the lights, around 465 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: the grille. You've got DNA, You've got blood that would 466 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: be conceivably on there. You would have in some cases 467 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: materials that would be hanging on the underside of the car. 468 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: If if they can locate this car or this this FUV, 469 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: if they can locate this car, I mean you're going 470 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: to find evidence. And you know, doctor Kennel Crowns is 471 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: joining me, chief medical Examiner Tarrant County in Fort Worth 472 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: and well known lecturer and teacher, Professor doctor Kennel Crowns. 473 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: Did you hear what Robert Farling just said. I'm certainly 474 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: not picking a fight with the deputy US us Marshall. 475 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: But let me clarify what he just said. And I 476 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Doctor Kendall Crowns rosy times I get 477 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: in front of the jury at the beginning anyway, but 478 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: I could barely say the words because they would be 479 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: so upsetting. I'm not talking about work, curse words, the 480 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: P word, the C word, that every word you know, 481 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: quoting a defendant. But I'm thinking about this thirteen year 482 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: old boy. And Farley just said, look under the suv 483 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: and on the side for quote materials. Now, I know 484 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's airbrushing it because he doesn't want 485 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: to cause any more pain to the family. But doctor 486 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: Kendel Crown's, what is Farley talking about when he says 487 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: material Well, I mean he's basically talking about tissue from 488 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: the body's usually skin, muscle, blood, blood, if he can 489 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: even get eyes think like that can be all ground 490 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: up into the car, especially when they get clipped and 491 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: then pulled into the wheel well, it'll usually separate the 492 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: body quite a bit. You can usually almost tear him 493 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: in half. And you can even get parts of organs 494 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: and intestines mixed into the car as well. And you 495 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: have to think about the axle going over the body too, 496 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: is spinning in a circle, and it can just grind 497 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: you up like a like a garbage disposal. Time Stories 498 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Dodger Kennel Crowns. Does it ever dawn 499 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: on you? Because it does occasionally dawn on me. Now 500 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying it's not very socially appropriate, it's not 501 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: exactly it's nothing anybody really wants to hear about. Let 502 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: me just put it like that. But it's our line 503 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: of work, and what you just said, it's exactly the truth. 504 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: You take a look at this thirteen year old boy, Tyler, 505 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: and then you hear what doctor Kennel Crowns just said. 506 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: That's what's on this suv. Right now, We're used to 507 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: talking about it, so it just rolls off our tongues. 508 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: But what about this little boy's sister and mother? How 509 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: do you think all this is setting with them? And 510 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: it happens all the time. There is a socialite out 511 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: of la I swear I think this woman is going 512 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: to estate justice. I want you to hear about Rebecca 513 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: A Grossman from our friends at KCl nine. One of 514 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: the boys was pronounced dead on the scene. The other 515 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: died at the hospital. Police arrested fifty seven year old 516 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman. We've learned she's a well known figure in 517 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: the community. She even appeared on KCAL nine News at 518 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: noon last year to help raise funds for charity. It 519 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: really is, you know about collaborating. She's the founder and 520 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: chair of the Grossman Burn Foundation. She's also been recognized 521 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: for her humanitarian work across the world. Now she's faced 522 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: with two counts of vehicular manslaughter. Authorities say she was 523 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: driving in her the influence. It's senseless because it could 524 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: have been avoided simply by using uber lyft, even calling 525 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: a friend, and now two mustlike families are going to 526 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: be affected by this for generations. Captain Vassah also told 527 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: me Grossman did not stay on the scene and was 528 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: arrested a quarter mile up the road. She was booked 529 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: on a two million dollar bail, and authorities believe there's 530 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: also a second vehicle involved. That's all part of this investigation. 531 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: I also want you to hear our cut fourteen Chris 532 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Holstrom from Kaal. It was just before dark. A family 533 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: of six was walking across this crosswalk when tragedy struck. 534 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: Captain Salvador Bassarah with the Elle County Sheriff's Department describes 535 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: what happened next. The family were in a Mars crosswalk, 536 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: clearly marked. As she realized there were two cars speeding 537 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: her way. She was able to reach out and grab 538 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: one of her children off of a Razor scooter. He 539 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: pulled the child back with the stroller, but another child 540 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: of a stroller as the car entered the intersection and 541 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: hit the other two boys. What exactly happened when the 542 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: socialite plowed into a family, Well, from what we've learned, 543 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: a family of six was walking through a crosswalk just 544 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: before dark when tragedy struck. We learned the family was 545 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: in a clearly marked crosswalk. When the mother realized two 546 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: cars were speeding her way. She was able to grab 547 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: one child from a scooter another child in a stroller. 548 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 1: The car plowed through the intersection and hit her other 549 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: two children. What we know about Rebecca Grossman's case is 550 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: that she's going to face trial. The defense is begging 551 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: and demanding that her case be dismissed. But that's not all. 552 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. According to Sacramento Police, the 553 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: hit and run happened at a round two am Sunday 554 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: near the intersection of T and Alhambra. Francisco Rodriguez, who 555 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: friends and family called Poco, had just installed led lights 556 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: on his bike the night of the crash let up. 557 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody could have not seen him 558 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: on that bike. It was all red lit up. Faco's 559 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: friends and family are posting flyers around Sacramento tonight hoping 560 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: anyone with information will call the police. I want them 561 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: to turn themselves in. How dare you take my son 562 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: like that and hurt him and leave him there? Didn't 563 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: stop to help him. How can anybody have a heart 564 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: and how can they do that? Leave for me there 565 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: to die? This little boy, Poco had just put in 566 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: led lights on his bike. How could you miss that? 567 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: How does that happen? You are hearing our friends at 568 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: k XTV ABC ten. Take listen now to Matt Gutman, 569 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: ABC twenty. As Ethan awakes in a hospital bed, the 570 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: sun also rises over Burlison Redder Road. It is Father's 571 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: Day and the next day, yeah, I find these packages 572 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: where my Father's Day cards have been filled out and 573 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: my Father's Day gifts, but they were gone. There was 574 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: no preparation no time to say Goodbysory. You are hearing 575 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 1: the dad of Eric Boyle's talking about Father's Day cards 576 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: that were meant for him, but his son was dead. 577 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: After Ethan Couch, the Affluens attain ran down an charge 578 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: group of people, just plowing through them with no fault 579 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: whatsoever to whether they were dead or alive, and then 580 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: gets an incredibly lenient sentence yet another hit and run. 581 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: On the morning of April twenty first, twenty twenty, Katie 582 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: and John Palmer went for a walk in their neighborhood. 583 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes later, their neighbor Corey Foster hit them from 584 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: behind with his f two fifty, knocking them out of 585 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: their shoes and throwing them yards away. What's your name? 586 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 1: John broke his back and somehow still managed to crawl 587 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: over to Katie, who was unresponsive after a blunt force 588 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: trauma to her head dure what earning. Katie was flown 589 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: by helicopter to a hospital and it was there that 590 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: she died. You're hearing our fans at k XII. Here's more. 591 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: Troopers began to ask Foster what happened? I just couldn't 592 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: free because the lawyer was yeah, which I shouldn't have driven. 593 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: Foster sided a foggy windshield, but a trooper on the 594 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: scene mentioned another factor. I'm smelling its pretty strong from 595 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: the from the river today. Is why I'm asking now, 596 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: Like God, I like rather left. I just said to 597 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: prober seven, the information Foster gave the trooper was enough 598 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: to perform a field sobriety test straight out to Robert Farley, 599 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: joining US former Cook County Sheriff's deputy and former Deputy 600 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: US Marshal, why do you believe that hit and run 601 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: homicides are treated more leniently than others people my experiences, 602 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: people want to give people a chance, and they don't 603 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: think accidents arise to a criminal act. I mean, I 604 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: don't need that at all, believe me. Why are you 605 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: calling it an accident? I just went through this with 606 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: doctor Angie. When you're driving at night without your lights 607 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,959 Speaker 1: on in the bike lane and you mow down two 608 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: children and one dies, that's not an accident. And that 609 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: was a decision to drive without your lights on in 610 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: the bike lane, and you know, and that's what I 611 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: was saying. People think that, but I mean it's it's 612 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: a homicide. And again, why was the person driving with 613 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: the lights off. I mean, as I said that, they 614 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: could have been playing from committing another crime and that 615 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: and well, there's another aspect to it, Robert Farley, and 616 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: that's the fact that they kept going knowing they hit someone, 617 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: knowing darnwell they hit someone. That's no accident. That's a 618 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: decision to keep going. You know, a mighty cold person, 619 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: a mighty mighty cold person to do something horrible like that, 620 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: especially involving child. Go ahead, Wendy, it's especial, actually agreed, 621 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: just because it's also circumstantial evidence of fault of intent, 622 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: of recklessness to not stop. I mean, it's one thing 623 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: to have created the situation to begin with by driving 624 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: at an unsafe speed with unsafe conditions. It's quite another 625 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: not to stop. So all of this goes back to 626 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: the intent of the driver. And you know, I like 627 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: the point that which is brought up about you know, 628 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: are they fleeing another crime? Why would anybody be driving 629 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: through in an area with the lights out? But I 630 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: also want to bring up the speed. The speed with 631 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: which those children were struck severed the spinal cord from 632 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: the brain, So we put that into the mix as well. 633 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: In terms of recklessness rising to the level of criminal 634 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: intent the tipline. This occurred in kron, New York, Long 635 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: Island eight hundred two two two Tips eight hundred two 636 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: two eight four seven seven Dorrian Geiger. Where does Ky 637 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: stand right now? Tyler's mother dozero Mac and she is, 638 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, still reeling from this and she wants answers. Nancy. 639 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: She just told me quote the man that hit my 640 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: kids needs to please come forward. We wait as just 641 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: as un falls in a very squad store signing off 642 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: goodness