1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,479 Speaker 1: Live from our Nation's how do we reopen this economy? 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: The latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: does this do? From the United States relationship with China, 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound on the Inside, the influencers, the insides. We're 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: responding to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: never before. You're looking at seveny Kennedys for different vaccines. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: How do we make sure a pandemic of this scale 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: never happens again? This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: m h D two. Dr Falci pleads with the public 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: on virus peril as Vice President Mike Pence Hale's progress, 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: the politics behind the pandemic. Heading into the fourth of 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: July week, and the House backs Washington d C. Statehood 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and mostly symbolic vote. Folks, let's going nowhere in the Senate. 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: All of that, plus exclusive interviews with on the foreign 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: policy front with Congressman Michael McCall, a Republican from Texas, 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: the top Republican on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the House. 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about big tech in China and Senator 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Joanie Earns. She's going to weigh in not only on 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: her incredibly contentious re election fight uh in Iowa against 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: a political upstart, Theresa Greenfield, but also on the battle 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: between biofuel and big oil and refineries. So we're covering 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: literally every single policy political personal angle. Vice President Mike 24 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Pence tried to paint a reassuring picture of the u 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: S battle against COVID nineteens, citing quote truly remarkable progress 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: end quote. During a briefing Friday, well, Dr Anthony Fauci 27 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: pleaded for Americans to take the virus more seriously. This 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: was the first briefing folks by the Federal Coronavirus Force 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: by the Federal Coronavirus Task Force in more than two months, 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: and Falci is saying that health officials on the federal 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: and the state level have offered some specific guidance to follow, 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: but in many cases, he says, quote, the citizenry did 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: not feel end quote, they did not want to do that. 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: In other words, people weren't wearing the masks, people weren't 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: following the social distancing norms. And we're gonna dive into 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: this with our all star panel. But that's where thinks 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: stand folks, you know Florida's increasingly on lockdown. You've got 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: what everything's going on uh down in Texas, uh and 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: then the volatility in the markets and what's been going 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: on with big oil and biofuel. And that's where I 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: begin an exclusive interview with Senator Joanie Ernst, a Republican 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: from Iowa, about her relationship with President Trump and the 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: biofuel industry. Take a listen you senator successfully thwarted the 44 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: administration President Trump's number two pick at the e p 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: A because he had concerns that he wasn't going to 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: be good for the ethanol in industry and biofuels. What 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: else can you do before November in order to look 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: out for the biofuel industry, Well, we have to keep 49 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: pressing hard on e p A. It's like putting our 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: foot on the throttle with them and making sure that 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: they are upholding the President's promises to our American farmers 52 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: are corn growers as well as those that are producing ethanol. 53 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: So I have let my committee know that I will 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: not be supporting anymore of these e p A nominees 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: until we have some sort of certainty with these small 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: refinery waivers and especially what we we call now the 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: gap year waivers. This new thing that the oil industry 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: is trying to do by going back to eight nine 59 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: years in the past and trying to reapply for waivers 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: waivers from those years, which I told Andrew Wheeler earlier 61 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: this week, then he needs to take those gap year 62 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: waivers and just throw them into the rash. Um. They 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't be allowed to go back and apply for previous 64 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: years and say, oh, yeah, by the way, we had 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: a hardship back then, so we're going to apply for 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: a waiver. Um, it's not right. It's not upholding the 67 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: spirit of the RFS. So we're just going to keep 68 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: a hold on it. Well, let me press you on this, 69 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: because are you concerned that after November that whether it's 70 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: a President Trump reelection or a Biden administration, that the 71 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: e p A will just move in the direction of 72 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: of oil. Well, I think that if we have a 73 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: President Trump a second go at his presidency, that he 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: will continue with that commitment to the American farmer. He 75 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: is a man that once he has made and made 76 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: his word, he intends to keep his word. And so 77 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: he has demonstrated with eight fifteen year round that he 78 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: really does care about the ethanol industry, the biofuels industry. 79 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: We've seen some good movement with him on other things 80 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: important to the farmers, like the waters of the US 81 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: rolling back those harmful Obama era administration of rules. Um So, 82 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: we are seeing great progress with President Trump and he 83 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: will intend to keep those promises as we move into 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: a second term. Senator, whether it's agricultural purchases from China 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: or the ethanol industry, you are in one of the 86 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: closest Senate races right now in the country. Your opponent, 87 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: to least, Teresa Greenfield, has has criticized you in terms 88 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: of how your effectiveness with regard to the energy sector. 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: And I want to give you the chance to respond absolutely. 90 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: And I think if she would go back and take 91 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: a look at what I have done for biofuels, I 92 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: have been in an ardent supporter of our biofuels sector. 93 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: The American farmer. My father is still out on that 94 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: farm that he has developed with his own hands. Um So, 95 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: I am tied to my agricultural communities. I am an 96 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: adamant supporter of renewable fuels, and the President himself has 97 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: said that I am relentless when it comes to supporting 98 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: ethanol and bio diesel, relentless, and I will continue being 99 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: that relentless fighter for my farmers and my biofuels industry. 100 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: Senator in the in the minute that we have left, 101 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I do you want to ask you because in your 102 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: new book Daughter of the Heartland, you recount some horrific, 103 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: horrific incidents of abuse and and I wanted to get 104 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: you to weigh in on why you decided to share 105 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: your story, to come forward with it, and what you 106 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: would say in this incredibly politicized, polarizing time, whether you're 107 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: working in Washington or on Wall Street, two folks who 108 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: share your story. Yes, it is an incredibly challenging story. 109 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: It was hard for me to tell. But unfortunately my 110 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: story came out during my very public divorce UH several 111 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: years ago, and so I was not prepared to tell 112 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: my story publicly, but it was out there, and what 113 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: I found was that many women and even some men 114 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: came forward and said, Janie, I've been through some of 115 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: those same horrific events, whether it's domestic violence, whether it 116 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: is great, and yet you have gone on to become 117 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: a battalion commander, you went on to become a United 118 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: States Senator, and one woman in particular, you know, she 119 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: said it is important that people know you can overcome challenges, 120 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know she was right. I felt it was 121 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: important for me to tell my story so that others 122 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: would understand, no matter the challenges we face in our lifetimes, 123 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: that we always have opportunity to overcome those challenges, not 124 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: let those challenges define us. I choose to be a 125 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: survivor and not a victim, and I think that's really 126 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: important to understand. We have resilience. I was growing and 127 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: raised in a community of resilience, and I want others 128 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: to understand that in spite of challenges, there is a 129 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: new day tomorrow. We can find joy in our lives, 130 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: and certainly in such times like this, we all need 131 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: to come together and understand there is a new tomorrow 132 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: on the horizon. I was Senator Johnie Ernst, a Republican 133 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: from Iowa who now finds herself and one of the 134 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: most contested and what will be surely one of the 135 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: most high profile Senate races in the midterm elections. Uh 136 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: And in her book, I mean, really, folks, whether you 137 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: agree with her politically or not. Uh. That book um 138 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: is incredibly powerful as she recounts her personal story grew 139 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: up on a farm, serve in the military, and then 140 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: became a U. S. Senator and overcame many many challenges. 141 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: So be sure to check that out if you have, 142 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking for something to read. Coming 143 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: up next, we're gonna talk more uh policy and politics. 144 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sirley, Chief Washington Forres Bondy to Blomberg TV 145 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: and Radio. The books called Daughter of the Heartland. That's 146 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: next right here on Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On 147 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one oh five point 148 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: seven m h D two. You know, I was just 149 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: checking a message from a family friend who set me 150 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: an ABC News report. Did you see this? And ABC 151 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: News report that in Brazil they actually took a soccer 152 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: stadium and they turned it into a drive through or 153 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: drive in movie theater. So if people are parking down 154 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: on the I guess the field in cars and then 155 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: on all the jumbotron's they put up a movie. It's 156 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: a genius idea. I keep reading that they're bringing back 157 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: driving movie theaters. And yet to see one in d See. 158 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I apologize in advance if I am, 159 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: but you know, I think that's bring them back. Why not? 160 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington corresponded for Bloomberg Television and 161 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. I want to talk about the coronavirus 162 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: case spikes and this new column out that Max Neeson 163 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg opinion column is covering biotech, farma and health has 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: because it's brilliant. Uh, it's my must read, my morning 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: must read at five pm hour on a Friday, as 166 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Tom Keene recall it. Shout out to Tom Keane. The 167 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: alarming chart below has been making the rounds. It illustrates 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: the poor job the US has done in containing COVID 169 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: nineteen compared to the European Union, a bigger region of 170 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: independent countries that suffered an earlier outbreak. And pretty much 171 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: it's just we've all seen the charts, but to describe it, 172 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: the US cases are going up, Europe's going down and 173 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: plateau and and trailed down. That's what Max writes. Why 174 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the big difference? What is America doing wrong? Alright? Max? 175 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: What's America doing wrong? Quite quite a lot of things. 176 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: But but the one that that I think stood out 177 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to meet the data specifically on on those Sun Belt 178 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: states that are seeing the sort of big opticks is 179 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: that they they ended their lockdown, started opening up at 180 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: a much higher level of incidents and without um kind 181 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: of sustained downturn in cases, uh country Europe where where 182 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: they really as opposed to you know, bending the curve, 183 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: actually crushed it. And and that's important because you know, 184 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks of opening aren't when you're 185 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: going to see a resurgence. It's when you see further opening, 186 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: as many of these states did in the weeks after 187 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: they they sort of got that false sense of approval 188 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: when they opened at the kind of height of a 189 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: plateau with a lot of virus circulating, creating more opportunities 190 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: for new outbreaks. And you know the situation that you're 191 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: seeing right now. So it's just a different mindset, I think, Max, 192 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: it's I want to touch on that. Let's go there. 193 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: Actually right now, you set a different mindset. Do you 194 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: think there are some potential cultural differences that have caused this? 195 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean the Americans versus Europeans versus Chinese culture. I mean, 196 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: is is there some cultural habits that are just more 197 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: difficult for Americans to break? AM, I, you know, reading 198 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: too much memes on on social media, I think it 199 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: may be possible to to whatever extent that there are UM, 200 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I think the sort of lack of a coherent national 201 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: response and the mixed messaging from the top UM you know, 202 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: contribute to and fuel those fires with the kind of 203 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: UM emphasis on the contradictory nature so called of you know, 204 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: locking down versus getting back to work and opening the economy, 205 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: when when in reality it should have always been UM 206 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: that those two things are one and the same. Do 207 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: you successfully open up when you control the virus? If 208 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: you do anything else, then you get renewed case growth. 209 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: People scared to go outside all of that. So so 210 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: I do think that UM, a lot of the problem 211 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: was that that sort of mixed messaging on a national 212 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: basis that you know, to whatever said there are cultural difference, 213 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: UM emphasized them. I think. Okay, I have another question, 214 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: because we all know that we've all learned in real 215 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: time so much about pandemics and the way virus is 216 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: spread and whatnot. But you're the expert, and I want 217 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: to ask you this new York and Washington State were 218 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: the original hot spots in the United States. Correct, Yeah, 219 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: So is it that Texas is getting a second wave 220 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: and Farta is getting a second wave or is it 221 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: that the virus just has spread there now while receding 222 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: in the hot spots, do you know what I mean? 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Almost like the way a hurricane model would go up 224 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: the coast, in this case, it's spread from the hot 225 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: spots simply because of the way the virus travels. I 226 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: I really struggle with this clarification. Yeah, so, I I 227 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: think it's a really interesting point in one where there's 228 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: interesting research coming in all the time. But from what 229 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: we know about the kind of viral dynamics, so the 230 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: big difference was that the United that you know, Washington 231 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: in New York got seated earlier, and especially in New 232 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: York's case, much more broadly than these other regions. So 233 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: they had more cases in an earlier date, um, you know, 234 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: fueling larger earlier outbreaks, outbreaks that were much larger by 235 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: the time you got to the sort of lockdown phase. 236 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: And in these other places like like Texas, Uh, they're 237 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: just simply was not as much virus there when when 238 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: people started paying attention and and taking action. So that 239 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: that that explains a lot about the severity of the 240 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: New York outbreak, that the virus was spreading for a 241 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: month without you know, people in nursing homes taking any 242 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: additional precautions as opposed to the current moment where you know, 243 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: it's very very different. So, um that it sort of 244 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: makes sense if you think about in that context that 245 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: the wave in Texas would would take a little bit 246 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: longer to get there, but it did because the virus 247 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, never went away there, and then that lockdown 248 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: wasn't taken to you know, the full extent where there 249 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: was really low spread. It was sort of led to 250 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: roll around in a high plateau. Max, am I saying 251 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: your last name right, Nison or Nisson Nie, and I 252 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: had it right, Okay, good Max. Max Neeson's on the line. 253 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: He's Bloomberg Opinion column is covering biotech, pharma and healthcare. 254 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: I love this column because it really does look at 255 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: all of the different countries around the world, and it 256 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: supports it with some incredible data, uh and and charts 257 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: and and everything. So go check it out, um, and 258 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: go check out his column. You can find it on 259 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Opinion. But let me ask you another question. 260 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so much is gonna be written about, you know, 261 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: for decades to come about what went right, what went wrong. 262 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: But one of the questions that I truly, truly struggle 263 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: with is if we had better data, if we had 264 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: better information from around the world, start with China and 265 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: their lack of transparency with the World Health Organization, But 266 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: even here in the United States, in the same way 267 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: that you can track again a hurricane or you can 268 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: track again a snowstorm, you don't shut down an entire 269 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: state when when the snow because of a blizzard or 270 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: a hurricane, that that's in another state. So I guess 271 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: what I'm wondering is, did we almost do do a 272 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: disservice not just in the US, but around the world 273 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: in terms of shutting down entire countries and not specific 274 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: regions or having different regions. The reopening has been more gradual. 275 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: But if it wasn't gonna whack Texas until this month, 276 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: why did Texas have to shut down? And is that 277 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: conversation being had in the academia world and in the 278 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: scientific world, and it's being had all the time. But 279 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: but I think the important thing to realize about that 280 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: counter factual is that you know, absent um a significant 281 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: You know that that early effort to break those completely 282 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: unidentified change of in mission, which we're quite broad. We 283 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: gotta go hold on, Hold on for me, because we're 284 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna come back to this point. Hold on for me more. 285 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: Next with with Max. This is Kevin sireli On on 286 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg nine nine one. She Kevin Washington, correspondent for Bloomberg 287 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: Television and from Bloomberg Radio. That's Kanye West gold Digger 288 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: and the reason did you see this Bloomberg quick take. 289 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Kanye West is teaming with Gap on a new line 290 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: of apparel for men, women, and kids called Easy Gap. 291 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: Products are expected to debut in stores and online next year, 292 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: the company said in a statement. Wow, anyway back to policy, Well, 293 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: I guess Kanye is really wrapped up in the Trump administration, 294 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: especially his wife Kim Kardashian on criminal justice reform. He 295 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: has met with the President, Kim has been at the 296 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: White House him, Miss Kardashian has been at the White House. 297 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Uh So, you know, Friday, folks, we're having fun. Max 298 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: Mason still with us. He is the topic of discussion 299 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: because of his great column coronavirus case spikes horrifying US 300 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: COVID curve has a simple explanation. Okay, Max, I want 301 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: to go back because I really messed up the clock 302 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: to say to use the industry term in the last segment, 303 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: and I ran out of time. But you were making 304 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: a really good point, if you what is the scientific 305 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: and the academia community saying in terms of whether or 306 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: not we should be all just blankets shut down a 307 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: country when there is a pandemic, or try to get 308 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: better data and information to track it, almost like a 309 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: weather pattern, so that people don't have to just have 310 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: a shutdown if the virus hasn't reached where they live. 311 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: So the thing about this is the response is only 312 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: as good as the information that was available. And the 313 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: sort of original sin of the US response was was 314 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: blowing it on testing um the CDC sort of insisting 315 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: that all testings should go through it and having really 316 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: narrow criterion for who could be tested, and then also 317 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, outright messing up the test kits when it 318 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: sent sent them out and taking a really long time 319 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: before it lead local hospitals you know, figure out and 320 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: do some of their own testing. So That meant that 321 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: that by the time we began to have a kind 322 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: of any kind of robust picture of the outbreak, there 323 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: was enough spread that we really didn't know what parts 324 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: of the country or what parts of the city were 325 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: New York or where we're you know, much less acute 326 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: when you do have good information UM, and you can 327 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, test and isolate people, then you can do 328 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: more targeted measures UM. We've seen that succeed in other places, 329 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: but but it requires UM having really good information, testing infrastructure, 330 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: and being able to actually act on it in a 331 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: robust way, because you can avoid rockdown. But but only 332 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: if you start if you're very well informed and very active, 333 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: which you know we were, all right, Max Neeson, thank 334 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: you so much for giving us some of your extra 335 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: time tonight and your extra insights. Max is a Bloomberg 336 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: opinion columnists covering biotech, pharma, and healthcare. I want to 337 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: pivot now to a different topic and one that we 338 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: haven't covered in several weeks, and I want to return 339 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: to it, and this is that as states are seeing 340 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: a huge spike in COVID nineteen cases, we have to 341 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: talk about the supplies and the p p E and 342 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: whether or not it is actually reaching the places that 343 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: it needs to. My next guest is Thomas Tige. He 344 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: is CEO and President of Direct Relief. Direct Relief is 345 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: the largest charitable supplier of PPE in the country, folks, 346 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: not just in the region, in the country, and Thomas 347 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: has deep, deep ties to the feeling there pick world 348 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: all over the globe. From Tige served as the chief 349 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: of Staff and the Chief Operating Officer of the Peace Corps. 350 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: He oversaw the day to day operations of the agency's 351 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: worldwide programs and a resurgent growth of the agency to 352 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: a twenty seven year high. Thomas, thank you so much 353 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: for joining us. You know, I want to talk about 354 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: this because I think it's really crucial, especially when we're 355 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: seeing the uptick in cases. How do we make sure 356 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: that the public and the private partnership, including the philanthropic world, 357 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: are all on the same page with donations of PPE 358 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: and execution of PPE. Well, that's a good question, I 359 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: think is your former first. Thanks for having me, and 360 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: of the information should drive the decision making and um 361 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: sometimes we get so much information it becomes paralyzing and 362 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: people interpreted differently. But in general I think the christ 363 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: is of PPE shortages was both the supply availability issue 364 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: when Covid broke out and kind of a contraction of 365 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: the supply chain from China basically to everywhere else and 366 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: a huge spike in demand at the same time that 367 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the supply lines were contracting caused the severe shortage. That 368 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: has certainly changed. I think that the flow has opened up. 369 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: There's much more availability of PPE. The challenges that, um, 370 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, we have such a vibrant commercial medical distribution 371 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: mechanism in this country. I mean we do it every 372 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: day very well. It's like all distribution. It's evolved tremendously 373 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: over the past few decades. But they were really the 374 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: commercial actors that really supply the end user facilities were 375 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: not present in the PPE distribution. I think it we 376 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: were looking to the public institution, the strategic national stockpile 377 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: at the CTERA level, the state variations of that, and 378 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: they really had not been pressure tested until long it 379 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: didn't work. I mean, from ventilators to PPE, there's a 380 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: lot of we're out in California, so there were a 381 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of there were thirty million masks that were all 382 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: expired with the only thing in stock. So I think 383 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: the challenge is how you get to get people on 384 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: the same page. They sort of have to have the 385 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: same information and also know what role they're playing. Um. 386 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: And that was unclear. I think we're looking to the 387 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: public institution to do supply chain in a crisis. Uh, 388 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: and they don't do it that they hadn't been doing 389 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: that on an ongoing basis, while the people who do 390 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: it on ongoing basis were really not as involved as 391 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: I think they have to be because they who does it. 392 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: That's such a brilliant point, because you're right, I mean 393 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: the government was called flat footed uh and not and 394 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: and I want to correct my government institutions. I mean, 395 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: we do you use the word stress test for the 396 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: financial perspective, but we've never had to go through this 397 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: as a country before, um, in decades, you know. And 398 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: so who what institutions were prepared or what sectors were 399 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: prepared because you mentioned that some had done it correctly, 400 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: And what can government institutions And I'm divorcing government folks 401 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: from whatever party you're in, but from the bureaucratic way, 402 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: what can the government bureaucracy learn and adopt from what 403 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: the private sector did? Well? I think you've seen it 404 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: all over the place. The rapid adjustment to the new 405 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: realities from business models to work at home to how 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: you have meetings and how you conduct business. I mean 407 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: that was a rapid shift. Um. I think the main 408 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: medical distributors in the country commercially are Cardinal Health and 409 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: McKesson A Mari Susberg in midline right. They supply thousands 410 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: of cilies every day. Um. The strategic national stock pile 411 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: that they're in reserve does not. So. I think it 412 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: didn't have the current product, that didn't have the systems 413 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: that it evolved to take orders and get a get 414 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: a kind of a to the moment, uh, seeing what 415 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: what's happening. Um. So, I think we weren't putting the 416 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: best tools at a crisis issue. And I think the 417 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: assumption that if it's a public issue, the public institutions 418 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: must run it, We've just got to get beyond that. 419 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I think if it's a crisis, the people who are 420 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: able to do it best for the public benefits should 421 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: be invited to participate. And I you know, distribution we 422 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: do so well in this country, um, with Amazon probably 423 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: being the epitome of it, where if you think about it, 424 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: can beat your door in two hours. Right, This distribution 425 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: is something that has advanced so far and so fast, 426 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: and we do it well as a species. Now, so 427 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: how is it that you know, a relatively you know, 428 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: uncomplicated commodity got so badly chunked it's unfathomable. Right, So really, 429 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: you know, as a private so directly as a private 430 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: group that we're trying to government like in our purpose 431 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: because we exist only for the public benefit. It's not 432 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: for profit. We have no financial interests, and we try 433 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: to be business like in our practices, right because we're 434 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: using people's money. We want good information. We want to 435 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: do it as well as it's done commercially, even for 436 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: people who can't pay for it. And I think there's 437 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: an opportunity there to just have UM an approach that 438 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: is a bit different, involves and invite the participation of 439 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: people who do it commercially. But just because you do 440 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: commercially doesn't mean you ought not to do it when 441 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: it's a crisis for the public benefit. I think we 442 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: saw a kind of the lagging and then the imposition 443 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: the Defense Production Act to actually wrap up production under 444 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: an order. I think it's so clear that the severity 445 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: of this problem we get Directorly, we've had unsolicited support 446 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: from tech firms. I think our team has worked with 447 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: all the tech firms to do really daily intelligence reports 448 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: um that we're feeding up to the policymakers about how 449 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: the shutdown orders were actually working. The COVID nineteen they 450 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: were taking the available information from anonymized from places like Facebook, 451 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: seeing are people adhering to this day at home orders, 452 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: and we can know that, and that's been a very 453 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: good proxy for the lifelihood of increased rates of transmission. 454 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: So that was volunteered, volunteered. I think they certainly recognized 455 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: they had assets that they do for their business, it 456 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: had a public benefit. So that can happen and to 457 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: to bring the muscles that exists and the insights that 458 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: exist often derived for commercial purposes. It's it's possible across 459 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: lock the function and the insights or things of public benefits. 460 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: So I'm both hopeful. You know, it depends on Like 461 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: in medicine, you're supposed to diagnose before you treat, right, 462 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: So if we diagnosed the problem was the public institutions 463 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: that we look to didn't work, should we just throw 464 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: a ton of nyet him trying to fix him, or 465 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: should we look at what alternatives exist, and I think 466 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: in the near term the only way UH to really 467 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: approach this is to invite the participation from who are 468 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: doing it commercially clearly as a global threat, we all 469 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: are kind of in this togather people who can separate 470 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: the politics from the functions that need to be performed 471 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: and and and that's and that's such a you know, 472 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: separating the politics from the functions, something that we talked 473 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: about every day here. That's Thomas. Unfortunately, my friend, I 474 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: have to leave it there, but come back on and 475 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: tell us even more about the updates, because he really 476 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: is folks on the front lines of the of how 477 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: to get these nonprofits and and to help out in 478 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: the PPE fight. That's Thomas Tigy is the CEO and 479 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: president of Direct Relief, a heavy hitter, the largest charitable 480 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: supplier of PPE in the country. He's been working, as 481 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: he mentioned, with the public sector, with public institution, to 482 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: the private sector, and with Silicon Valley UH and and 483 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: and tech companies. And in fact, that's where I'm gonna 484 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: pivot to our next guest, who I spoke with earlier today, 485 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Congressman Michael McCall. The top Republican on the House Foreign 486 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Affairs Committee. He is a Republican from Texas, and he 487 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: has been criticizing big tech companies actually for how they've 488 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: been handling China. Take a listen. You recently released a 489 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: critique of big tech companies and their relationship with China. 490 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: Would you find Well, we found that the Chinese Communist 491 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: Party has thrown a lot of propaganda out on our 492 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: platforms in the United States, basically weaponizing our First Amendment, 493 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: while at the same time kicking our journalists out of 494 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: the China because they were reporting on COVID nineteen. So 495 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: we decided to a report card and we talked to 496 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: them about trying to take down some of this offensive 497 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: material that said things like the United States military created 498 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, or didn't come out of Wuhan, sending a 499 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: last through the Saudi through the Arab nations criticizing the 500 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: United States, and um, yeah, they got kind of a 501 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: seed two D report card for me because they just 502 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: weren't willing to take it down some of this really 503 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: offensive material. I dealt with this back when I cheered 504 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: the Homeland Security Committee try and take down radicalized radicalization 505 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: material that was causing terrorist attacks in the United States. 506 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: Not to say that these will cause terrorism, but but 507 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: they are highly offensive and totally false when it comes 508 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: to the propaganda that they're you know, using our platforms 509 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: to push out carterson This is a delicate balance between 510 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: freedom of speech and also national security. Do you think 511 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: that the big tech companies should be subjected to the 512 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: same type of laws and regulations that television networks are 513 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: that newspapers are. I think they have a responsibility, you know, 514 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: and if they're gonna allow their platforms to be used, 515 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: not that they want to monitor all the content, but 516 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: if there is stuff that is absolutely used by our 517 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: foreign adversaries to propagate falsehoods, which this clearly was, I 518 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: mean the idea that they couldn't take down, you know, 519 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: the one tweet that the United States military created COVID nineteen. 520 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes and so yeah, I do 521 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: think they should be subjected to the same regulations. Democrats 522 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: have said break up big tech. Republicans like yourself have 523 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: argued that there needs to be some type of cleaning 524 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: up in terms of some of the national security starts 525 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: regarding freedom of speech. Is there any common ground that 526 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: can be forged. And what would that look like. Well, 527 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: I think it would look like what we did with 528 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: the radicalization over the internet when it came to counter terrorism. 529 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: It's when there's certain content that crosses the line when 530 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: you have a foreign adversary nation, you know, using our 531 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: platforms and free speech to to push their propaganda. Uh. 532 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: I think there's a responsibility to take that content down 533 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: at that point. I think we need to break up 534 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: the tech companies necessarily, but I do think they have 535 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: a responsibility to hold up to and that's why we 536 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: did this report card to get out to the public 537 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: that they were still to this day allowing all these 538 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: falsehoods about the originations of COVID nineteen to spread throughout 539 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: the United States. I want to move on to another topic. 540 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: Yesterday in the Senate, the there was bipartisan support for 541 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: a piece of legislation that would really allow for the 542 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: US to issue some sanctions against some Chinese officials who 543 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: do business with the Communist Party that support the anti 544 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: Hong Kong protesters. Do you think that that has an 545 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: appetite by part as an appetite in the House, and 546 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: that the President will sign it into law? You know, 547 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: I do UM, and I will try to persuade the 548 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: President to do so. I I was part of the 549 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: Human Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which requires 550 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: UM the Secretary to certify the autonomous nature of Hong Kong. 551 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: He could not do that because they are no longer autonomous. 552 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: The PRC the Chinese government have essentially usurped their legislature 553 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: under the guise of national security and being very aggressive 554 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: because there's their elections are coming up in September. We 555 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: passed that bill to issue those sanctions, and I think 556 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: the intent of Congress on both sides of the aisles, 557 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: a very bipartisan bill was to push those sanctions forward 558 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: in favor of freedom and democracy over tyranny and oppression. 559 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: And one final question. In your home state, there has 560 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: been a significant uptick in terms of the number of 561 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: reported cases of COVID nineteen earlier today, the administration giving 562 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: another task force briefing. Do you think there should be 563 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: more closures? Do you think that other types of activity 564 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: needs to be shut down in your states to prevent 565 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: this virus? And credit right, I think Mike Governor is 566 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: looking at the data as it comes out. I think 567 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: he opened up the state a little bit more now 568 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: he's decided to air on the side of safety, which 569 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: I think is always a proper This is a delicate 570 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: balance right between getting back to work and protecting the health, 571 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: welfare and safety of our citizens. And this is gonna 572 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: be an ongoing discussion until we can get a treatment 573 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: like we do with HIV or vaccine. I think you're 574 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna see this push, you know, pull and tug if 575 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: you will, between the safety of our of our health 576 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: and our economic health you know, on the other side. 577 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: But I do think it was a combination with a 578 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: lot of people getting back into the workplace, but also 579 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: going back socially not wearing the masks as they should 580 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: um and I think also the testing, and there's a 581 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: lot more advanced testing now, so that's why you're seeing 582 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: it more to spike in cases. That was Congressman Michael McCall, 583 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: a Republican from Texas, the top Republican on the House 584 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Committee, speaking with me earlier today from inside 585 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: of the nation's capital. I want to reset now. I'm 586 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: Kevin CURRELLI, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 587 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio and astute listener just messaged me. And earlier 588 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: in the program we were talking about drive in movie theaters, 589 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: and there is one. There's a pop up driving movie 590 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: theater folks in Tyson's. So if you're looking for something 591 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: to do this weekend in the d m V, there's 592 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: some pop up drive in movie theaters all over it. 593 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: Just gotta get on the Google and you'll find it 594 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: or whatever search engine you use. Roger Fisk, Democratic Strategist, Roger, 595 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: have you ever been to a drive in movie theater? 596 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: I think when I was like four or five, it 597 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: was probably like Jaws or something playing. I've never been 598 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: to one. I don't know. I mean I kind of like, 599 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: first of all, I don't have a car. Second of all, 600 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: I got my wallets the one and I can't even 601 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: get my driver's license replaced because all the d m 602 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: v s are, you know, very difficult to get into. 603 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: So Roger, I don't think I'm going to a drive 604 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: in movie theater set Jaws anytime soon. Yeah, well that's 605 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: too bad. I I guess for the twenty one century, 606 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: you gotta incorporate like bikes and scooters and all kinds 607 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, I mean I could scoot. I've been 608 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: known to scoot listen Roger. Is Joe Biden ever gonna 609 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: give interviews? Is he gonna get out there or is 610 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: he just gonna ride this thing out to November, because 611 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: I guess he doesn't have to right now. It seems 612 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: to be working. I mean, if you're the if you're 613 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: the challenger and you're ahead and the poles, then every 614 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: day that you don't lose, you win. And if you're 615 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: the incumbent and you're behind in the polls, and every 616 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: day you don't win, you lose. Um. So, uh, this 617 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: formula seems to be kind of working. But you know, 618 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: joking aside, I hopefully will get back to some kind 619 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: of normal. You know. I think his trip to to 620 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to have that kind of backyard discussion is just 621 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of dipping the toe in the world there. But 622 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: any campaign wants to get out there. Um. But then 623 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, I think they should 624 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit more confident and putting him in 625 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: situations where he can interact with the press because you know, 626 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people have known him for a long 627 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: time and you know the and you and I have 628 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: touched on this, but like the one or two gaps 629 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: don't necessarily trip him up. So I think they should 630 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: let it breathe a little. Well. The question that I 631 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: have is is when Trump was leading prior to COVID 632 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: against Biden. It was when Biden was debating, and when 633 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: and when he was really out there and he was 634 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: taking a bruising from obviously within his own party, it 635 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: was it was a primary battle. But my question is 636 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: when I look at the when I look at the 637 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: cross tabs, and Trumps still leading Biden on the issue 638 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: of the economy, and you know, I mean, there's a 639 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: lot of unknowns and and so I wonder if it's 640 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: a mistake too not necessarily go out there aggressively, but 641 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: not to just even beforecasting more of an economic message 642 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: right now? Do you know what I'm trying to get at? 643 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: And I know I'm not asking. I mean, he you 644 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: can't your portrait can't be a silhouette, right like, he 645 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: has to fill this all in. And I like my recommendation, 646 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: I am not affiliated at all, but that they take, 647 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, each month out of the summer and and 648 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: and block and tackle a specific kind of legislative kind 649 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: of policy message like one on healthcare, do one on 650 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: how America is going to learn and and and succeed 651 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: and and get retrained on skills and things like that 652 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: over the next tent or fifteen years. And people are 653 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: leaning towards him. They want that, um, because you know, 654 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: his fundamental bearing is to approach this as a as 655 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: a policy challenge, rather, you know, than the current occupant 656 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: who sees everything as a messaging challenge. So I think 657 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: that would play to their strength. Actually if they did that. Alright, 658 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: let's switch gears now because it is Friday, and there 659 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: was a historic vote today in the House of Representatives. 660 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: Did you see this? Roger? Did you? First of all, 661 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: are you still where are you? Are you in DC? 662 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm a little bit west in West Virginia. 663 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: All right, Well, DC is not a state you're talking about. 664 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 1: The House vote, the House vold the House voted to 665 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: to make DC state, and Democrats are all on board. 666 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not going to go there anywhere, and 667 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: the Republican controlled Senate. But wow, do you think d C? 668 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: Do you think DC could be a state? DC could 669 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: become part of Maryland? What do you think? It's an 670 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: interesting question? And because um, I think it's fair to say, 671 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: and maybe this is me going out on a limb, 672 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: but I don't think um, Senator McConnell's necessarily gonna smile 673 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: on the idea of having to two new members that 674 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: would pretty much actiomatically be uh Democrats. So um, you know, 675 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: I agree with your analysis of how this dynamic is 676 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna play out in the Senate. But it's weird, you know, 677 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: for me just to look at this through kind of 678 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: like my life to grow up working in campaigns and 679 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: then finally get to work in presidential campaigns and you're 680 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: out there working the polls and all this other stuff, 681 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: and then you win the super Bowl of the whole 682 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: thing a presidential campaign, you get a chance to come 683 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: to d C. And the first thing that happens is 684 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: you're basically divested of this fundamental franchise, you know, the 685 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: day you move in very very odd. Yeah, Roger fist, 686 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to leave it there. It is. It is, 687 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely an issue. But I wonder if people 688 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: outside of Washington, d C are aware of the issue, 689 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: and why would they be rooted in caring That's the 690 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: That's truthfully what I think it is gonna come down 691 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: to because they don't think most people think about it 692 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: until you live here. Roger Fisk, Democratic Strategies, longtime advisors 693 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: to candidates Obama, uh, and a Democratic insider. Thanks for 694 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: and in the week with me, And just a reminder that, uh, 695 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: this is a momentous day in lgbt Q history month 696 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: because it was five years ago that the Supreme Court 697 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: rule to legalize gay marriage. Happy Pride. I'm Kevin Sirelli, 698 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: Chief Watchington corresponded f for Bloomberg TV and for Bloomberg Radio. 699 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. Maybe go see a drive in 700 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: movie theater. Thanks for listening to Bloomberg