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Speaker 2: three DP show operators sitting by Tyler update the poll
Speaker 2: results from our one seaton and what's the poll question
Speaker 2: for hour two?
Speaker 4: Right now, we've got up there, how do you want
Speaker 4: calls and sports being made by people?
Speaker 3: Are all digital? Right now?
Speaker 4: Sixty seven percent of the audience have that as by people,
Speaker 4: which is interesting. Then we also put up there which cameo,
Speaker 4: would you want if you could in any Gene Hackman film? Okay,
Speaker 4: and right now so we have that as people more
Speaker 4: submitting their answers rather than a poll question. Enemy of
Speaker 4: the State is a big winner, believe it really, Yes,
Speaker 4: a lot of people saying Enemy of the Estate. Hoosiers
Speaker 4: is up there, Crimson time, unforgiven. A lot of votes
Speaker 4: were unforgiven. That was a pretty cool movie, not as
Speaker 4: many of the obvious ones you might think. Hoosiers obviously
Speaker 4: has some votes, but not as many as you might think.
Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: The passing of Gene Hackman at age ninety five, and
Speaker 2: of course legendary career, one of the great actors of
Speaker 2: all time, and we of course focused on Hoosiers and
Speaker 2: we've had connections with that through some of the actors
Speaker 2: who were in the movie, but Gene Hackman playing Norman Dale,
Speaker 2: and it's about small town Indiana, and they captured it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really really well done. I think
Speaker 2: it's the best sports movie of all time.
Speaker 3: But you had good.
Speaker 2: Storylines in there, the cinematography was spectacular. You know, you
Speaker 2: did have basketball and it felt like it was basketball
Speaker 2: in the fifties, and that they played well. And Maris Velanis,
Speaker 2: who is Jimmy Chittwood, looked like he could play high
Speaker 2: school basketball, maybe college basketball, great shooter.
Speaker 3: And I talked.
Speaker 2: To him back in twenty twenty one and we did
Speaker 2: an interview on his role as Jimmy Chitwood in Hoosiers,
Speaker 2: and I asked him about they had no acting experience,
Speaker 2: these were just high school players. And Maris was talking
Speaker 2: about when he first met Gene Hackman and they're all intimidated.
Speaker 2: You got Dennis Hopper on the set, you got Barbara
Speaker 2: Hershey who was a great actress, and you know, then
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman, and here is Maris Bulanis, who was Jimmy Chitwood,
Speaker 2: and what he told me about Gene Hackman.
Speaker 5: I had no idea that they were going to cast
Speaker 5: me as Jimmy Chitwood, and.
Speaker 2: Then you realize Gene Hackman's in this, Barbara Hershey's like,
Speaker 2: these are heavyweights in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So when they finally whittled it down, Gene
Speaker 5: Hackman was nice enough. About a month before shooting started,
Speaker 5: he came into town and for a solid week, every
Speaker 5: single day, for at least a couple hours a day,
Speaker 5: he actually gave us acting lessons and gave us insights
Speaker 5: on how he did certain scenes in certain movies or
Speaker 5: and it was pretty amazing. I mean, you're sitting there
Speaker 5: in a room with Gene Hackman and he's giving you
Speaker 5: acting less.
Speaker 2: And then you first made your scene. You don't have
Speaker 2: a line, but maybe even tougher, you have to make
Speaker 2: these shots while Gene Hackman is talking to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess that was my scene with Gene Hackman.
Speaker 5: With Gene Hackman, I mean, I think everybody had like
Speaker 5: a little moment with him, you know, And that was
Speaker 5: my first one.
Speaker 2: That's Marius Bolanis, who played Jimmy Chitwood, and it's my
Speaker 2: favorite scene in the movie because Gene Hackman Normandale is
Speaker 2: trying to get him to come out for the team,
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Chitwood is just rain and jumpers. He doesn't
Speaker 2: speak at all, and Gene Hackman's trying to recruit him,
Speaker 2: and he's out there and they're you know, they're on
Speaker 2: a dirt basketball court, and he just keeps probably makes
Speaker 2: seven in a row. And I just thought, like, you know,
Speaker 2: on a lot of different levels, there's Gene Hackman. I'm
Speaker 2: shooting basketball, but I have to act as I'm shooting basketball.
Speaker 2: How do you do that other than make the shot?
Speaker 2: But then you're acting like you're not interested in what
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman is saying, but in reality, you're listening to
Speaker 2: everything that he's saying. And I just love the way
Speaker 2: it shot. I mean, just how they filmed that movie beautifully,
Speaker 2: and it's my favorite. It's my favorite scene. Everybody talks
Speaker 2: about all the game winning shot, that wasn't it, It
Speaker 2: was that one, because it's just a legendary actor and
Speaker 2: a guy who's never acted before, and you're out there
Speaker 2: and they made it work. I remember talking to somebody
Speaker 2: who told me that Burt Reynolds was up for the
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman John, and then Paulie said to me, this morning,
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson was in discussions with them to play the
Speaker 2: role of Normandale.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this article I found that has a lot of
Speaker 7: detailed Director David Ansbaugh, he was a skiing buddy of
Speaker 7: Jack Nicholson and actually taught him how to ski, brought
Speaker 7: the script to Nicholson he knew was a Laker fan
Speaker 7: and a basketball fan. Nicholson agreed to do it, like
Speaker 7: verbally agreed to do it, which got the studio much
Speaker 7: more interested in producing the movie. They were having a
Speaker 7: lot of trouble getting the movie produced. Nicholson had a
Speaker 7: bow out because of a lawsuit going on with MGM,
Speaker 7: and he had to bow out. They asked Nicholson, who
Speaker 7: would you put in it? He said, Robert Davall or
Speaker 7: Gene Hackman. Robert Duvall passed. Hackman was third. Hackman they
Speaker 7: got interested in it. He said he would do it,
Speaker 7: and the studio still said we're not sure and took
Speaker 7: another year after Hackman signed on to get the green light.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see Robert Duvall, yes, in that role,
Speaker 2: but but you had to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: and I'm sure ju Ball could have done it. I mean,
Speaker 2: one of the great actors. But I think what Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman like. He there was some warmth to him in
Speaker 2: that he had to show a little bit of compassion,
Speaker 2: but you know he had baggage with his previous coaching.
Speaker 2: Stomp hit a kid, and you know then he falls
Speaker 2: in love just everything, even when he goes to get
Speaker 2: his hair cut. You know, they have the town hall
Speaker 2: where they're basically going to run him out of town.
Speaker 2: They don't like, you know, his style. And then Jimmy
Speaker 2: Chitwood comes in. Gene Hackman doesn't say a word, He
Speaker 2: just sits there and watches Jimmy Chitwood say what he said,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it changed everything. But it
Speaker 2: was just it was really well done. It's one of
Speaker 2: those movies. If it comes on, you watch it, no
Speaker 2: matter where it is in the movie, you'll watch it.
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to say a movie is perfect, but
Speaker 2: to me, that was a perfect movie. It captured what
Speaker 2: you thought that timeframe was and everything else that went
Speaker 2: along with it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, so I should watch Hoosiers.
Speaker 2: You whoa well, PAULI, No, you can't leave now, Polly
Speaker 2: sleep walking out?
Speaker 8: Marvin, I never seen it. Wow, It's not one like
Speaker 8: Shawshank or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's it's the Shawshank of sports movies.
Speaker 3: I got to give you a homework assignment. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is Americana.
Speaker 8: Wait, you said it's the Shawshank. It better be as
Speaker 8: good as Shawshank.
Speaker 3: Then, ah, it is, it is, it is. It's a
Speaker 3: great movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, go around the room, Todd, Hoosiers good, great, great, Seaton,
Speaker 2: Hoosiers is.
Speaker 4: A great movie. But I don't know that Marvin will.
Speaker 4: He might not find it as great.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Paully, it's.
Speaker 7: All time great, not just sports, but all time I
Speaker 7: think this is good. I think Seaton's right. Marvin's going
Speaker 7: in with way high expectations. I think he should read
Speaker 7: up on the story of Hoosiers and Mylin the high school. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and then go see it with a little backdrop. Oh man,
Speaker 7: this because this is based on a true story.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes? Okay, yes.
Speaker 2: Because Indiana basketball didn't have like Class A, Class B,
Speaker 2: Class C or four A, five A. Every team if
Speaker 2: you made the play state tournament, it didn't matter if
Speaker 2: you had a school of one hundred and fifty or
Speaker 2: you went against you know, a school that had three thousand.
Speaker 2: You were all in the same tournament. That's why it's
Speaker 2: you know, the upset part of this that they were
Speaker 2: going against what Indianapolis Central.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like two thousand kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this mile in high school had you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred, one hundred kids.
Speaker 7: Maybe, yeah, Pull, I have an idea when Seat and
Speaker 7: the French Kid drive to Green Bay, they dropped Marvin
Speaker 7: off in Indiana for like a week and a half
Speaker 7: to start soaking in the culture of high school basketball
Speaker 7: and then watch the movie. Yeah your thoughts, that's a yes,
Speaker 7: that sounds like it is.
Speaker 2: Maybe like a three day like a three day weekend
Speaker 2: of Indiana basketball.
Speaker 7: We'll have them spend a weekend at Steve Alfred's house
Speaker 7: really soak it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can, you know, go visit Dan Dockitch. He'll
Speaker 2: tell you everything you need to know about that.
Speaker 3: Bloomington. Yeah, go to Bloomington. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Genie Achman, Normandale Hoo's Yours the best sports movie
Speaker 2: of all time?
Speaker 8: Yes, so high school basketball anywhere in the state of Indiana. Yeah, no,
Speaker 8: I'm saying, so should I go to any high school basketb.
Speaker 2: Probably So you're going to find out that they have
Speaker 2: building arenas like ten thousand. I think Steve Alford's High
Speaker 2: School seated ten thousand.
Speaker 3: And they were full.
Speaker 2: Yes, they sold out. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it's like now, but Indiana basketball. By the way, the
Speaker 2: spear campaign continues with Luka Donchetz. I was reading what
Speaker 2: was on the Athletic and it says, make no mistake,
Speaker 2: the people who witnessed Luka Doncts last days in Dallas
Speaker 2: don't paint him a flattering portrait. They call him lazy.
Speaker 2: They talk about weight issues, they talked about drinking, they
Speaker 2: talked about he was in love with the Hookah, calling
Speaker 2: him Hookah Doncic, and they were predicting his basketball demise,
Speaker 2: highlighting a health history that, as some see it, will
Speaker 2: likely lead to catastrophe in the next five years or so. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: through all of this, it's weird that even if he,
Speaker 2: you know, is smoking cigarettes and drinking beer, he's not
Speaker 2: really in shape, but he's still going out there and
Speaker 2: doing what he's doing, at least for the next five years.
Speaker 2: Or if you do buy into that that maybe this
Speaker 2: was going to be a disaster, a disaster waiting to happen,
Speaker 2: why don't you open this up to get a better
Speaker 2: return for him. I think that's the problem I have.
Speaker 2: If you want to get rid of him, okay, but
Speaker 2: get more than you got. Sacramento got more for Daron
Speaker 2: Fox and what was the rush open the bidding? Now,
Speaker 2: maybe you're gonna upset Luca. Well, well yeah you are,
Speaker 2: because you're going to trade him no matter what you're
Speaker 2: going to trade. Now, if I'm a GM, I'm going
Speaker 2: to say, well, why are you trading him? And then
Speaker 2: I want to know what Nico Harrison is going to say,
Speaker 2: because if he says, hey, he's got bad habits, he's lazy,
Speaker 2: he's overweight, then he smokes a lot.
Speaker 3: Would you like to have him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the guys on our staff, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like Dylan no name, I mean no names, but
Speaker 2: that would be like Dylan with a guy who smokes
Speaker 2: and drinks and his jumper is similar to Lucas but
Speaker 2: Hukah dunch its. And it feels like the Spear campaign
Speaker 2: continues here. But I would love to know what the
Speaker 2: Lakers were told because okay, call comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Hey, Robin's it's Nico. Hey, Hey, what's up you did
Speaker 3: in Luca? Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I love watching him play? No, no,
Speaker 2: you interested in trading for him. Are we talking about
Speaker 2: the same guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Luca. First thing I
Speaker 2: would say is, why are you making him available? He's
Speaker 2: twenty five years of age? Well do you tell him
Speaker 2: we don't want to give him a Supermax. We don't
Speaker 2: know what kind of shape he's going to be in.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how that exchange worked, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Rob Polinka is going to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of places to get him cleaned up out here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe in get him to stop drinking or get in
Speaker 2: better shape, or Lebron will help him get in better shape.
Speaker 2: You know, Lebron spends a million dollars on you know,
Speaker 2: getting in shape. I'm guessing, but I would love to
Speaker 2: have a transcript or hear the audio of what that
Speaker 2: conversation was like, because if I'm Rob Polenka, I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: when you hang up the phone, do you just scream?
Speaker 2: Do you run around the office, do you go to
Speaker 2: Genie Buss or do you have to keep it quiet?
Speaker 2: I cann't say anything to anybody. I'd still love to
Speaker 2: know sort of the background gory details of this and
Speaker 2: how Nico Harrison would say that, how he would say it.
Speaker 2: That almost sounded like, Hey, I'm going to do you
Speaker 2: a favor. Here's Luca. We want Anthony Davis and some
Speaker 2: scraps in return, although Max Christie has played pretty well.
Speaker 3: But I would love to know what that sounded like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm paulin.
Speaker 7: I know this is obvious, but the guy's twenty five.
Speaker 7: It's not a thirty one year old who's not going
Speaker 7: to change his ways. If Luca needs to change his
Speaker 7: ways with whatever he's doing, you know, whatever physicality and
Speaker 7: working out, but a twenty five year old, maybe he
Speaker 7: gets pissed off because of this and says, Okay, it's
Speaker 7: a wake up call and he changes things.
Speaker 3: I've shocked.
Speaker 7: Took a lot of criticisms supposedly from Kobe Bryant about conditioning,
Speaker 7: and I don't know if he ever changed his ways.
Speaker 7: But Lucas twenty five, he's entering his prime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but why can't Dallas get him to get in
Speaker 3: better shait. That's a great point. I would love to
Speaker 3: know that. I mean, that's what I kept coming back to.
Speaker 3: Did go to his agents?
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did, and this was not a well
Speaker 2: kept secret. Now I didn't know about the hookah. I
Speaker 2: knew they smoked cigarettes and he drank beer. He's twenty five.
Speaker 2: But you have to convince me more to take Anthony Davis,
Speaker 2: then you do me taking Luca, Like, well, okay, who
Speaker 2: are you going to send us? I don't know a
Speaker 2: D Okay, oh oh okay, yeah, you'll take a d Yeah, okay, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7: If I run the Mavericks, I want all my players
Speaker 7: to do what Luca's doing.
Speaker 3: I wanted to smoke drink beer.
Speaker 7: Hey, can you guys average thirty four and twelve and
Speaker 7: get us to the finals.
Speaker 3: He went to the NBA finals the year before.
Speaker 7: It was a missing games and practices, A couple of
Speaker 7: grits and a couple of beers at twenty five, and
Speaker 7: I've been a good day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I if I would have been a better player, I
Speaker 2: would have smoked cigarettes. I'd have smoked heaters when I
Speaker 2: was in college. All Right, we'll take a break. We'll
Speaker 2: talk some football here. Dean Blandino, former head of Officials,
Speaker 2: we'll join us talk about some of these possible rule changes,
Speaker 2: and of course I am contractually required to talk about
Speaker 2: the tourist push.
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Speaker 2: Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst and
Speaker 2: former NFL MVP of Officiating, joining us from the combine.
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Dean. What do you
Speaker 3: want to chew up? First? Whatever you got?
Speaker 11: I love that you called me the MVP of officiating.
Speaker 11: That's I love that title.
Speaker 2: I love that, and you should be you know the
Speaker 2: heck with Mike Pereira. It's you, that's right, That's right. Okay,
Speaker 2: help me understand the technology of spotting the football or
Speaker 2: first down, Like, where where are we headed?
Speaker 3: And when will we get there?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 11: So I think short term what the league is going
Speaker 11: to do, I think for the regular season in twenty
Speaker 11: twenty five is the officials will still spot the football,
Speaker 11: but instead of bringing out the chain gang, they're going
Speaker 11: to use this optic tracking and these these cameras that
Speaker 11: are positioned around around the stadium to tell you exactly
Speaker 11: where the ball is in relation to the line of game.
Speaker 11: So instead of stretching out the chains, you'll have this
Speaker 11: graphic pop up and it'll say the ball is six
Speaker 11: inches short or the ball made the line of game.
Speaker 3: I think that's the short term.
Speaker 11: Long term, I think we're going to use some of
Speaker 11: this this tracking technology where they'll eventually be able to
Speaker 11: use that tech to actually spot the football, to say
Speaker 11: here's where the ball was, when when the knee was down,
Speaker 11: or when the runners progress was stopped. I don't think
Speaker 11: we're going to be there in the next two to
Speaker 11: three years, but I think eventually we may see that
Speaker 11: at some point.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we all love when the chain gang
Speaker 2: comes out, so I do like I love it. I
Speaker 2: think they got this reversed. They should be trying to
Speaker 2: spot the football. It is so random at times and
Speaker 2: it's unscientific. And the chain gang, these are just guys
Speaker 2: holding the chain. We want them coming out. You stretch
Speaker 2: out the chain. That's good TV, Dean.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 11: I agree with you one hundred percent in that you
Speaker 11: know the chan It's it's dramatic, right, It's that how
Speaker 11: much you watch the game and is it going to
Speaker 11: be a first down? And then we've got these guys
Speaker 11: that run out and this is their moment in the sun.
Speaker 11: I love the Chain Gang, But I don't think the technology,
Speaker 11: like I said, is there yet to spot the football.
Speaker 11: But you know, I guess we don't. You know, there's
Speaker 11: not a lot of Chain Gang enthusiasts to the league office.
Speaker 2: Also the Toush push. It feels like I'm obligated to
Speaker 2: ask you about this. From an officiating standpoint, what concerns
Speaker 2: you about this play?
Speaker 11: Well, from an officiating standpoint, it's just it's an almost
Speaker 11: impossible play to officiate as to where the ball is
Speaker 11: when in relation to the goal line, because you have
Speaker 11: all these bodies creating this mass and you're trying to
Speaker 11: figure out where the ball is. You think about the
Speaker 11: Josh Allen play in the AFC Championship game. You have
Speaker 11: two officials coming into two different spots. So I think
Speaker 11: from an officiating standpoint, it's just a difficult play to
Speaker 11: discern where the ball is. That's I don't.
Speaker 3: Think they'll change it.
Speaker 11: I think with the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, I
Speaker 11: think some clubs will say, well, it's going to feel
Speaker 11: like sour grapes if we voted, if we voted out.
Speaker 11: But a person, I don't love the play, but it
Speaker 11: is what it is at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, But take me back to two thousand and five
Speaker 2: when the NFL said it's okay to push the ball carrier.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is yeah, I you know, and I was
Speaker 11: there when that rule had been on the books forever
Speaker 11: and it was illegal to aid the runner, sist the runner,
Speaker 11: and push, and the officials just didn't call it. They
Speaker 11: just didn't. They felt it was difficult. We just didn't
Speaker 11: see flags. So they felt, okay, if we have a
Speaker 11: rule in the book that isn't being officiated, let's take
Speaker 11: it out now. It took, however, many years for this
Speaker 11: tush push to really gain traction, but it was illegal
Speaker 11: forever prior to two thousand and six, and I think
Speaker 11: it would be an easy fix. I think there's a safety.
Speaker 6: Element to it, you know.
Speaker 11: I mean, I know the league came out and said
Speaker 11: there's no there's no injury data on the play, but
Speaker 11: look at the Super Bowl. I mean, Chris Jones was
Speaker 11: was was banged up on the play. You've had several
Speaker 11: Eagles offensive linemen have said it's a it's a tough
Speaker 11: play to execute. So we'll see, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 11: But I'm just not sure why we we we keep
Speaker 11: it in.
Speaker 2: Well, the Eagles will tell you that their linement are
Speaker 2: more susceptible to an injury than the defense is with
Speaker 2: that play.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and that's a concern.
Speaker 11: That is a real concern, And I just say it's
Speaker 11: an unfair play too when you think about think about
Speaker 11: the defense if they if they stack up the runner
Speaker 11: at the at the line of scrimmage and drive him
Speaker 11: ten yards back.
Speaker 6: The offense isn't.
Speaker 11: Going to lose those ten yards, right, You're going to
Speaker 11: get forward progress and come back to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 11: But we allow the offense to push runners down the
Speaker 11: field and gain that advantage. So I just think it's unfair. Look,
Speaker 11: the Eagles have done a great job with it, and
Speaker 11: I wouldn't say we have to take it out just
Speaker 11: because one team is successful. But I do think there's
Speaker 11: other elements there.
Speaker 3: The kickoff. They seem to be toying with this again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think there's any modifications to the kickoff rule.
Speaker 11: I do think that they'll probably move the touch back
Speaker 11: to the thirty five when you just kick it through
Speaker 11: the end zone. I do think that the two options
Speaker 11: for this year will probably move the kicker back five
Speaker 11: yards or move the touch back up five yards, and
Speaker 11: again I think they were happy with how the play went.
Speaker 11: You went from twenty two percent, which was was an
Speaker 11: all time low in terms of returns, to thirty thirty
Speaker 11: two to thirty three percent, which was better. I think
Speaker 11: they wanted to look at the injury data, and the
Speaker 11: injury data says the play wasn't more dangerous. So I
Speaker 11: think now they're going to look to increase the number
Speaker 11: of returns. So probably one of those two things, either
Speaker 11: the touch back to the thirty five or the kicker
Speaker 11: back to the thirty and we'll see where it goes
Speaker 11: from there.
Speaker 2: Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst and
Speaker 2: former NFL MVP of officiating.
Speaker 3: Could you see.
Speaker 2: Anything with tweaking field goals with I mean, they've gotten so,
Speaker 2: you know, proficient with this, and the NFL doesn't like predictability.
Speaker 2: It's like the extra point. That's why they moved it
Speaker 2: back because it was predictable. Do you see anything in
Speaker 2: the future where the NFL would change anything with field goals?
Speaker 3: I think there could be.
Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to happen this this offseason,
Speaker 11: but when you look at the evolution of the kickers.
Speaker 11: It's been incredible. Right now, we're eighty six percent on
Speaker 11: all field goals, setting records. For this year, we had
Speaker 11: the most field goals per game. I think it was
Speaker 11: almost three and a half field goals per game, which
Speaker 11: was the most ever. The kickers are so good and
Speaker 11: from really any distance, we're seeing sixty yarders like they
Speaker 11: were thirty yards thirty yards twenty years ago. So yeah,
Speaker 11: you know, what could you do? I mean, we experimented.
Speaker 11: I remember being at the Pro Bowl with the kickers
Speaker 11: and moving the uprights closer.
Speaker 3: You could do that.
Speaker 11: You could do some other things because these kickers, Like
Speaker 11: you said, the NFL doesn't love predictability. I think they
Speaker 11: like it when teams go for it. You want to
Speaker 11: see more touchdowns. So I think that's something in the
Speaker 11: near future we could say, because.
Speaker 2: They're all about, you know, content, like what looks great esthetically?
Speaker 2: What looks great if you had a moment where you
Speaker 2: went to the fifty yard line and the goal post
Speaker 2: all of a sudden moved in and got a little tighter.
Speaker 2: It's just like we're talking about with the chain gang.
Speaker 2: We love that. Now if you do it digitally and
Speaker 2: you give some drama to that. We love that stuff.
Speaker 2: I was talking about pylon cam five years before they
Speaker 2: even implemented it. It's like, you you have the visual
Speaker 2: aesthetics to always think about. But imagine if the goal
Speaker 2: post just went in each five yards or ten yards
Speaker 2: it went in number yes, x number of inches.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 11: Look, these are all like things that you think outside
Speaker 11: the box that would make it. You know, you would,
Speaker 11: you would As you got closer, it became a harder
Speaker 11: field goal. As the uprights came in. You know, you
Speaker 11: have to figure out the how to do that with
Speaker 11: the uprights and the and the goal posts and everything else.
Speaker 11: We'll we'll see, but I do think that's something the
Speaker 11: league will look at because again, these kickers are so
Speaker 11: good today and they're not going to get worse.
Speaker 3: They're only going to get better. What's the wildest rule
Speaker 3: suggestion that you ever heard?
Speaker 11: The wildest you know we've had, you know, thinking about
Speaker 11: field goals there. You know, if if the kicker can
Speaker 11: hit an upright, that's worth four points, you know, so
Speaker 11: so now you know the doink, the doink would be
Speaker 11: a good thing. You know, There's there's been quite a
Speaker 11: few of of but you have to.
Speaker 3: Make the field goal. When you doink it right, that
Speaker 3: could be it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you could you have to actually hit the upright
Speaker 11: and go in. You know, there there's variations of that
Speaker 11: that we can play with. I think the league has
Speaker 11: done a good job of not getting gimmicky, you know,
Speaker 11: with with some of the rules changes. You want to
Speaker 11: maintain that integrity and the foundation of the game.
Speaker 3: And and uh, but there have been some interesting ones
Speaker 3: over the years.
Speaker 2: Is the official Is it up to the official to
Speaker 2: tailor his shirt the way he wants to?
Speaker 11: Yeah, we we you know that happened. You know, we
Speaker 11: remember ed Hockey Lee and he was really the godfather
Speaker 11: of the medium. And uh and and so we you know,
Speaker 11: the officials get their uniforms. We we would provide them
Speaker 11: with a tailor at our officiating clinic, but then inevitably
Speaker 11: they would go to their own their own folks and
Speaker 11: and maybe you know this, leave this. You know, I've
Speaker 11: been I feel good about my off season arm workouts,
Speaker 11: and I want to I want to show it off
Speaker 11: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Have fun there in Indianapolis schmoozing, I'm guessing has that
Speaker 2: with a lot.
Speaker 11: Of schmoozing, But heading home later today, so we'll we'll
Speaker 11: head home. But it's been a good week here.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Dean. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: That's Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst,
Speaker 2: former VP of Officiating. Of course I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: him about that, these guys tailoring their shirts. Is there
Speaker 2: you know, because the NFL they have the uniform people,
Speaker 2: the uniform police. I don't know if they have the
Speaker 2: the officials police out there. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: That might be a little too tight on the arms.
Speaker 2: There a couple of phone calls in here, James in Utah,
Speaker 2: Hi James, thanks for holding.
Speaker 3: What do you have for me today?
Speaker 12: Well, just to let you know, well, I guess, first
Speaker 12: of all, first time long time six three two twenty eight.
Speaker 12: I am a professional and surveyor and maybe have a
Speaker 12: little little beat on some information on measurement, and I apologize.
Speaker 12: I can make interesting topics boring, So a boring topic
Speaker 12: I might make incredibly boring. But you do have Marvin
Speaker 12: Fritzy who get to talk a lot, so your listeners
Speaker 12: are probably used to boring when it comes to measuring.
Speaker 12: You mentioned the optics of like the tennis ball, so
Speaker 12: that's optically and Dean Blendino just mentioned it. That's really
Speaker 12: the only way to measure that football accurate lead, so
Speaker 12: GPS isn't super accurate and it would change the way
Speaker 12: of the football. Now there's some other remote sating. Maybe
Speaker 12: you could put an RF chip or Bluetooth on the football.
Speaker 12: I think that would affect the football. So then you
Speaker 12: go with some kind of optical technique, and it's just
Speaker 12: not going to work in football to spot that football
Speaker 12: because there's no possible way. I mean, you get all
Speaker 12: these angles for the rest trying to spot the football
Speaker 12: optically and then and then hand spot it out there,
Speaker 12: the same limitations apply. There's just not technology out there
Speaker 12: that can measure the end of the football when it's
Speaker 12: tough to under a running back's arms and there's you know,
Speaker 12: six seven guys in that pile. So I think that's
Speaker 12: the reason they're going to do the other one first,
Speaker 12: and they're going to work on some level of technology.
Speaker 12: I don't know what that might be, but some level
Speaker 12: of remote sensing that or bluetooth potentially my help, but
Speaker 12: I don't think that you're ever going to be able
Speaker 12: to optically measure the football out there.
Speaker 3: So they're going to have to have some.
Speaker 12: Advancements in technology to have a little bit more precision
Speaker 12: and where you measure.
Speaker 3: The end of that football. Thank you, James, thank you.
Speaker 2: I just think it's so random when they spot the
Speaker 2: football and I think we've all watched it, and you go, really,
Speaker 2: that's the spot. And I saw where Max sures he's
Speaker 2: still in the major leagues and he says, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: all for the old school. I don't want modern technology
Speaker 2: for balls and strikes. Well, of course he doesn't. You're
Speaker 2: Max Scherzer, You're a Hall of Fame pitcher. Chances are
Speaker 2: you're gonna get those calls on the corners. You're gonna
Speaker 2: get that benefit of the doubt by the umpire because
Speaker 2: you're Mac Schurezer. The new school is no, it's right there,
Speaker 2: it's right there in front of you. It's either in
Speaker 2: the strike zone or it's not. Schurzer, through his career
Speaker 2: has probably got hundreds of calls that he didn't deserve.
Speaker 2: But because he's Mac Schuzer, the umpire probably said, just
Speaker 2: like Greg Mannox or Tom Glavin, they those guys lived
Speaker 2: on the edge. They had to. They didn't have velocity.
Speaker 2: They lived on the corners. And then as a result,
Speaker 2: the umpires would go, all right, I'm gonna give that
Speaker 2: to you for whatever reason, those three hundred game winners,
Speaker 2: we're gonna help you. But Max Schurzer is like I
Speaker 2: like the old school style. I don't care if you
Speaker 2: miss a couple of them, Well you're gonna get the benefit.
Speaker 2: That computer doesn't know. The robo umpire doesn't know who
Speaker 2: you are when you're out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauling, do you think the baseball the current baseball
Speaker 7: umpires are cool with this as long as they keep
Speaker 7: their jobs.
Speaker 3: I don't think they want to be embarrassed.
Speaker 7: But if they're just imagine you're the homeplate umpire and
Speaker 7: you're just monitoring the game and adjudicating the game. But
Speaker 7: the balls and strikes are automatic, so there's nobody yelling
Speaker 7: at you anymore.
Speaker 3: There's no possibility to be you.
Speaker 2: Oh. I think that their egos they love when you're
Speaker 2: yelling at them. Yeah, they love being you know, Joe West.
Speaker 2: Joe West made a career on people yelling at him.
Speaker 7: But I wonder if maybe the new school umpire who's
Speaker 7: thirty five gol I'll sit behind home plate and monitor
Speaker 7: the game and make the calls. I'm supposed to call
Speaker 7: and let the digital do the balls and strikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just going to be a base umpire, just
Speaker 2: like somebody at first base or you know, third base,
Speaker 2: second base. It's just they're going to help you with
Speaker 2: the calls. Yes, Tom, If they.
Speaker 13: Eliminated completely the human elements of balls and strikes, what
Speaker 13: does that do to the sound.
Speaker 3: They can't.
Speaker 2: They can't eliminate You have to have somebody there at
Speaker 2: home plate, So you can't just say there's nobody behind there.
Speaker 2: There still plays at the plate, ball down the line,
Speaker 2: fair foul.
Speaker 13: No, I'm saying, if they don't have to worry about
Speaker 13: the balls and strikes element, that's one major responsibility that's
Speaker 13: now off there. Off they're list of things that they
Speaker 13: have to do or worry about.
Speaker 2: So like when you think they're gonna take a pay
Speaker 2: cut because they.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they should, but I could understand the
Speaker 6: argument for it.
Speaker 13: If you if you have a set of responsibilities and
Speaker 13: all of a sudden, one major responsibility is now not
Speaker 13: on your head, and that's that's yeah.
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, if that guy goes to
Speaker 2: first base the next game, then he then what he
Speaker 2: gets paid Normally.
Speaker 13: I might say you have no responsibilities, but I'm saying
Speaker 13: that's a big part of being the home plate umpires
Speaker 13: calling balls and strikes. If that's being determined, then being
Speaker 13: said in the ear of the home plate up, that's
Speaker 13: a ball called a ball, or that's then that's a maze,
Speaker 13: then almost anybody can do that part of the up.
Speaker 2: I shocked that this is the issue you have with
Speaker 2: you know, robo umps.
Speaker 3: It's a fair issue though.
Speaker 4: I mean, if if the robot's going to do it
Speaker 4: and you're just the guy relaying the message, then anybody
Speaker 4: could do that.
Speaker 2: No. No, you still have to call plays at the plate.
Speaker 2: If there's a foul tip, if somebody gets hit, no
Speaker 2: you it's you're umpiring. You're still going to have every
Speaker 2: single pitch. There's the potential for you to say something,
Speaker 2: Oh there, you might have to make a call there
Speaker 2: at first base, second base, third. You can go a
Speaker 2: couple innings and not have any thing to really do.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they have to make a list of
Speaker 6: five things they accomplished.
Speaker 3: That as No, No, that's what are you product.
Speaker 2: Do you really think the umpires Union is going to
Speaker 2: go We're gonna let them cut our pay if you
Speaker 2: If you, then nobody wants to be at home plate.
Speaker 6: But if you're able to list five things that you accomplish,
Speaker 6: that where you keep your jump.
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Speaker 3: Seaton update the poll results. I would be happy to
Speaker 3: do that far.
Speaker 4: All right, let's see right now we have up there,
Speaker 4: how would you want calls made in sports? My people
Speaker 4: are digital right now? People holding on to sixty seven
Speaker 4: percent of the vote.
Speaker 3: How are the people?
Speaker 2: Oh, if we have the technology, use the technology. I'm
Speaker 2: not old school with that. I do like the human
Speaker 2: element involved in it. But if we have technology to
Speaker 2: get it right, then I'm fine with that. The potential
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft, Abdul Carter, has a I
Speaker 2: guess a stress reaction in his right foot. I've not
Speaker 2: heard of that before, but it looks like he will
Speaker 2: need surgery. They will decide that soon. Mixed opinions on
Speaker 2: whether or not he needs surgery. According to his agent,
Speaker 2: Drew Rosenhaus. But he could have surgery. They would have
Speaker 2: to put a screw in his right foot.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: He would be out at least eight weeks before he
Speaker 2: could start working out. Now he could bypass the surgery
Speaker 2: and he could have his pro day at Penn State
Speaker 2: and prove the teams that he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Need a procedure. This according to Adam Schefter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback was with his first
Speaker 2: hour and he said either way, he doesn't think that
Speaker 2: it affects his status as the potential number one pick.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Mel Kuiper has him as the second rated prospect in
Speaker 2: the draft, but also had him number one. Also, a
Speaker 2: friend of the show, Matt Miller, his latest rankings the
Speaker 2: number one prospect on the board. So you have the
Speaker 2: consensus is he is probably the number one pick in
Speaker 2: the draft. He was I couldn't take my eyes off
Speaker 2: him when he was healthy. I couldn't take my eyes
Speaker 2: off him. He was so quick. I'd love to know
Speaker 2: just how quick he gets off the ball, because it
Speaker 2: was it was scary, scary quick. And there's a couple
Speaker 2: of guys who are scary quick, but also you know,
Speaker 2: good size and maybe you get a guy that you
Speaker 2: plug and play for the next you know, seven eight
Speaker 2: years and play at a very high level. This is
Speaker 2: why I don't understand sometimes with teams, we need a quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 2: is there a great quarterback? No, but there's some good quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Are there great players?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: There are great players. Why not take a great player?
Speaker 2: This goes back to this will be a random pole here,
Speaker 2: but when the Portland Trailblazers, they already had Clyde Drexler,
Speaker 2: They didn't Michael Jordan. They already had somebody at that position.
Speaker 2: So they took a big man in Sam Buie. Now
Speaker 2: Sambuie injury prone, cut short his career and you know,
Speaker 2: no fault of his own. He was just kind of frail,
Speaker 2: but they took him. They needed a big man instead
Speaker 2: of taking the best player in the draft. And then
Speaker 2: you figure out something after that. They're like, no, we
Speaker 2: already have that guy. Uh, We're gonna take a big guy,
Speaker 2: are you sure. It's like Greg Odin, you gotta have
Speaker 2: a big guy. And then well, back then the NBA
Speaker 2: was about you gotta have your big man.
Speaker 3: Everybody has a big man. Nobody is.
Speaker 2: Now you're when's the last time you went somebody went
Speaker 2: into the draft. You go, you know, we gotta get
Speaker 2: a big man here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulin maybe like DeAndre Ayton a few years ago. Well,
Speaker 3: they made a big mistake with that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they said, oh, he's a true low post
Speaker 7: player in a non low post league.
Speaker 2: But also I think because he played at Arizona and
Speaker 2: it was Phoenix who had the number one pick, and
Speaker 2: they were gonna go, We're gonna get a hometown guy.
Speaker 2: And then I think the owner at the time was
Speaker 2: a U of a grad.
Speaker 3: And you're gonna bring in DeAndre a Eighten.
Speaker 2: Instead of you had Lucas coach, right, the Sons had
Speaker 2: there his coach from Europe as when the owner gets involved,
Speaker 2: who is at Robert Sarver When the owner gets involved, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm in a big foot here, But I coached I
Speaker 2: coached this guy. I've known him since he's fifteen. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna play play to the locals because everybody's gonna
Speaker 2: come out and see DeAndre a Eyton.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Point, I have sudden run by you. I want to
Speaker 7: get your opinion on this. It's a kind of a
Speaker 7: draft take. Is this the year you don't want a
Speaker 7: top five draft pick for a couple of reasons. A
Speaker 7: duel Carter might need foot surgery. That's not a great
Speaker 7: way to come in the league. That's a that's a risk,
Speaker 7: that's not a good way to Now. No, cam Ward
Speaker 7: and Shador Sanders, a lot of people said they would
Speaker 7: be in the fifteen.
Speaker 3: To twenty five range in last year's draft.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that means you're overdrafting a quarterback that's not
Speaker 7: worthy of a top five pick. Then you have Travis Hunter,
Speaker 7: as great as he is cornerbacks, cornerbacks are usually not
Speaker 7: taken in the top five, and he probably won't play
Speaker 7: both ways a ton in the NFL. I think it's
Speaker 7: gonna be scaled down dramatically. So you have four different
Speaker 7: players that have four different question marks, and maybe that's
Speaker 7: not what you need. If you're a team that needs everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I think unless you got your guy, than trade
Speaker 2: out because somebody might want that guy that you would
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to take, but maybe you don't want him.
Speaker 2: But I think there are if they say Abdul Carter
Speaker 2: is going to be healthy, that this is just sort
Speaker 2: of a blip. But I you know, I don't trust
Speaker 2: that your foot. Man, I can't go into the draft going, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got this guy. He's got to screw in his
Speaker 2: foot and don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, but those draft.
Speaker 4: Grades that you just mentioned, those are based off of
Speaker 4: their seasons last year, right, those are Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably no for the most part.
Speaker 7: Matt Miller, the draft experts said if if Sanders and
Speaker 7: cam Ward were in last year's draft, they'd go between
Speaker 7: fifteen and thirty.
Speaker 4: If they had the seasons of this they've had this
Speaker 4: year but went in last year's draft.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: risk there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would not be taking these quarterbacks if I
Speaker 2: get a quarterback that I like, if it's Jackson, you know,
Speaker 2: I like Dart I do. But do I want him
Speaker 2: in the top five, ten, fifteen, twenty. Probably not. I
Speaker 2: would hope I could get him a little later on
Speaker 2: maybe final hour on the way. We'll get some more
Speaker 2: phone calls coming up. Oh, we're gonna do dour rankings.
Speaker 2: Been a while since we've had Dowur rankings. Final Hour
Speaker 2: in this Thursday, right after this