WEBVTT - KEVIN OLUSOLA - The Recipe Behind the Rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Colleen, and today we have very special guest, singer, songwriter,

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<v Speaker 1>beat boxer Sellice Kevin O Lucia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there we go.

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<v Speaker 3>You said anything there, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm a dad, your dad, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, So before we get into your story, I

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<v Speaker 1>am tempted to do I don't know which one to do. First,

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<v Speaker 1>try to get a little beatboxing in, or you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is possible. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>challenge you to tell me what you're gonna eat today

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<v Speaker 1>in an artistic Kevin way. Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, wow, make up a song on the spot

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<v Speaker 1>what you're eating today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to make. This is a Subway sweet

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<v Speaker 2>onion chicken teriocky sandwich. And this is something that was,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a staple when I was starting off in Pentatonics.

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<v Speaker 2>I ate that, like I said, almost every single day

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<v Speaker 2>because they had five dollars foot longs. So I could

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<v Speaker 2>take this, cut this in half, have it for lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also have it for dinner and it was perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is during your Pentatonics.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, this is I mean I was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, how far are you going to take me back?

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to go for the bag.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll go for the bag. But I'm just telling you

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<v Speaker 3>this is that's this.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was like your Prime Brokes. Oh it's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>because Pentatonics is huge. So you were struggling to they

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<v Speaker 1>get during and then did you and then you get

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<v Speaker 1>to see all the success. So it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after Subway, you got I don't know what you.

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<v Speaker 3>Eat, that's you want to know what I'll eat out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm blessed that I can do this. But what

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<v Speaker 2>I do is I actually order family meal sized tender

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<v Speaker 2>Green boxes. Do you know tender greens? Right? So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get a family sized tender Green box and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>use that as my meal prep through the week, So

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<v Speaker 2>do like chicken, vegetables, salmon smart exactly, and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>also cook a little ground turkey. I did this last

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<v Speaker 2>night with my daughter Kaya and then I just put

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<v Speaker 2>that in for some extra protein and that's my meal

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So you're still you're you're still like financially conscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean because I don't want to go back there,

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<v Speaker 2>YEA one.

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<v Speaker 3>And two just with with resources.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to steward them well, because I want to

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<v Speaker 2>teach my kids what it means to steward wealth so

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't have to go through that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we talk about it like generational wealth building

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<v Speaker 2>in the black family and something that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>just super important, and so I want to do that

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<v Speaker 2>for my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can respect that. Tender grains.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, tender family.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's so funny. I know people that do that,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll like order I don't know, they don't use tender greens,

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<v Speaker 1>but they'll do like pan express and an order family style.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like if you work a nine to five

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<v Speaker 1>shout outs, you know, you order the big size and

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<v Speaker 1>then you could just keep it in the fridge at

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<v Speaker 1>work and just eat it serve yourself all week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly, that's exactly it. I mean, I take it,

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<v Speaker 2>I box it up, and then as I go to

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<v Speaker 2>either my production sessions or for the band, I just

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<v Speaker 2>take two of those things. Boom, I got my lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>I got my dinner, and it's easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, nice, and what's the day in the life right now,

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<v Speaker 1>like because it sounds so it sounds like hard work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's a lot. I mean. So Sundays is when

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<v Speaker 2>I meal prep all that stuff. So Sundays that's usually

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<v Speaker 2>when all the food comes in. That's why I take it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I cook the ground turkey and then make

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<v Speaker 2>my boxes. And then during the week, I mean, because

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<v Speaker 2>I still have right now these one or like sixteen months,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's my son, so we're waking up pretty early

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<v Speaker 2>taking care of him. I try to get some music

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<v Speaker 2>in when I can, because I really try to do

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<v Speaker 2>that in the hours between four and six if he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't wake up and you know, interrupt that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>as family time, after family time taking kids to school,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm either practicing or doing some of the work on

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<v Speaker 2>my own project. And then I get to do the

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<v Speaker 2>Pentatonics work, which I like because I get to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on me first and what fills my soul so that

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<v Speaker 2>my band gets my overflow, which I think is just

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<v Speaker 2>super super important, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's fully cohesive with you having your your outside

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<v Speaker 1>project outside of Pentatonics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually think it's best because each member is

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<v Speaker 2>so different and so for me to find myself and

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<v Speaker 2>reach the community that I want to reach, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that just brings more people into the Pentatonics fold because

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<v Speaker 2>some of these people, it's been so cool to see

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<v Speaker 2>my project kind of have the success that it's had.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I found out a few weeks ago that over

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty million views have been on my

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<v Speaker 2>project over my whole social media wow, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of these people go, I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of Pentatonics, but I love what you do. And then

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<v Speaker 2>through that they go, who who is this? I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know about Pentatonics. They're learning about it and now they

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<v Speaker 2>want to come see our shows too. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>as every member kind of connects with their community, it

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<v Speaker 2>also connects them back to.

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<v Speaker 1>The band relate because I only know Pentatonics because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know you exactly, exactly the exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Now take me back to well, actually, let's let's try it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure you're hungry and this is kind of cold,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's try it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's try I'm ready man, onion, sweet onion, onion, chicken Teryoki, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the name.

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<v Speaker 1>You like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still hits.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to get like a piece of chicken in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I never ordered this before, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So the sweet onion sauce, that's the thing that just

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<v Speaker 2>makes it for me every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they were asking me a bunch of questions like.

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<v Speaker 2>What vegetables do you want?

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<v Speaker 1>What cheese do you want? And I was like, Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>did not send me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I didn't send you those details any directions.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was just like, whatever you make it to

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<v Speaker 1>make it classic. What bread do you want? Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I probably would have this is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to think back to that time, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was like a whole wheat bread or they

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<v Speaker 2>have like the cheese. It was probably some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like Swiss cheese. And they always had their salt and pepper,

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<v Speaker 2>always put salt and pepper on it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so interesting because so we win the TV

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<v Speaker 2>show to sing Off as a band, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eleven, and then twenty twelve we move. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember we moved to West Hollywood in this apartment complex

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<v Speaker 2>on San Vicente and Howser Boulevard. Across the street was

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<v Speaker 2>the subway. So what eleven you know, eleven am before

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<v Speaker 2>we start rehearsal. I'd go get that food, come back,

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<v Speaker 2>bring it back. And it's just so it's so like

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<v Speaker 2>powerfully emotional for me because I remember during that time,

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<v Speaker 2>our rent was six hundred and thirty two dollars fifty cents.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that very very specifically each or something, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>each and in LA that's.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys have a girl in your group? Though, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that work?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she made it work too. I mean we

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred and thirty two dollars fifty cents. We were

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<v Speaker 2>all in the same apartment complex, not in the same

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<v Speaker 2>apartment like the Basing and I were in one. Churcy

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<v Speaker 2>and I think her boyfriend at the time was in one,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Scott Mitch were in one. So they always

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<v Speaker 2>met at our apartment at the base thing or and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I remember my father came to see where

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<v Speaker 2>I was living at that time. Now you have to know,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad is a Nigerian.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what makes me laugh exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's a Nigerian man who came to the United

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<v Speaker 2>States met my mom who's a Grenadian. Both immigrant mentality,

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<v Speaker 2>and they wanted me to pursue what I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>would call the immigrant Holy Trinity. Right, Docta Eloya an engineer. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that I, you know, kind of defected

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<v Speaker 2>and decided to go into music was very foreign to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So they come see me. You know, these are the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of meals that I'm having. They're seeing the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of place that I live in. I remember my father

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<v Speaker 2>texted me as he was going back to the airport

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<v Speaker 2>and he was so sad. He son, I spent all

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<v Speaker 2>of my heart earned money to send you to a

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<v Speaker 2>school like Yale, and now you're living here doing this

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<v Speaker 2>with no guarantee of a future. Please reconsider because this

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<v Speaker 2>is heartbreaking for me as a father.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, how do you feel on that moment when you

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<v Speaker 1>see that text?

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<v Speaker 2>So I felt sad because I felt like I knew

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<v Speaker 2>what I was doing something I was supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea what the end goal was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also look at it and I remember texting

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<v Speaker 2>my father this. I said, I understand everything that you're saying. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't lost any of the ideals and the messaging

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<v Speaker 2>that you've given me throughout life. I'm just using it

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<v Speaker 2>in a completely different way. So everything you've instilled in me,

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<v Speaker 2>the values.

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<v Speaker 1>Is all there, but how do you comeback the also

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<v Speaker 1>the Yale expenditure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so I had finished all of my pre med

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<v Speaker 2>requirements while I was at Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>So I told that, Look, if this doesn't work out,

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<v Speaker 3>I got the plan.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the plan. B. We are good. Like we

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<v Speaker 2>had that and I always had that in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of my mind, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you did all your pre med and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Pre med requirements, and if I wanted to take the

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<v Speaker 2>m CAT, I think the MCAT would be good for

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<v Speaker 2>five years after you take it. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got time. I hadn't taken the m CAT yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm like, I got time to make this all work.

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<v Speaker 2>And if this doesn't work, that's fine. I actually really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the idea of being a medical doctor. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that this started to become successful and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm not going back to medical school.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think there has something that has to

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<v Speaker 1>be said about your character because you still respected your

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<v Speaker 1>parents to not flunk out of you, sure not drop

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<v Speaker 1>out of you, to say, and I could see from

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<v Speaker 1>your father's perspective where he'd almost have to respect your

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<v Speaker 1>wishes because you already respected his right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I finished, I finished my college degree. I did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did well, and and again I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was passionate about all of it. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I would regret not at least trying music.

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<v Speaker 2>I would regret it so much. So that's when I decided,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm going to give it, as they say,

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<v Speaker 2>the good old college, try and put my all into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And if nothing happened, at least I knew I give

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<v Speaker 2>it everything that I could. I can go back into

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<v Speaker 2>medicine feeling happy that I did what I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then so you So I'm genuinely curious, like

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<v Speaker 1>from that conversation, did your dad kind of bring little

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella throughout the rest of your career ups and downs,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, hey man, this is there what I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted for you.

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<v Speaker 2>This, this is what I'll say. So I remember when

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<v Speaker 2>the band won our second Grammy. This is twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>or seventeen, I believe, and we're about to sing with

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<v Speaker 2>Stevie Wonder that's the way of the World for Earth

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<v Speaker 2>Wind and Fire, for the whole audience for the Grammys.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could see this online. It's on YouTube, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we with Stevie Wonder give Ed Sheeran his Grammy

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<v Speaker 2>for Thinking out Loud for Song of the Year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I sit back down in my seat. My

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<v Speaker 2>dad's right next to me, and he goes, hey, congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>on your grammy. When are you going back to medical school?

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<v Speaker 2>Like freaking out?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Dad, did you not just see what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you really freaking out? I was like, are you

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he laughed, Oh, he's why.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, are you serious? And then he starts

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<v Speaker 2>to laugh. He's like, oh, sot, I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a few years afterwards. So it's so

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<v Speaker 2>cool to see him.

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<v Speaker 3>Just say, hey, I see you.

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<v Speaker 2>You could feed yourself now, like it's not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just these sandwiches and stuff, like you're you're doing good

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm proud of you for sticking with your guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. What was your mom's perspective? Were they in unison

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<v Speaker 1>there or was there a little bit of let Kevin do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think she was more understanding, and again she had

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<v Speaker 2>the assurance of knowing what she's instilled in me and

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<v Speaker 2>to know that I had finished my pre medal quirement.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think she was a lot more chill than

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. She's always been that way, you know. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always appreciated that about her, even when I went to

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<v Speaker 2>boarding school. So I went to boarding school for two

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<v Speaker 2>years and it was hard, and I for you before Yale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a place called Phillips Academy and mass

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd be in andover mass Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>and andover and so I'd be crying for semester. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, I can't do it. Everything's so tough, blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah. And my dad would be freaking out, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, we made the wrong decision. What would

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<v Speaker 2>And Mom's like, chill out, That's why we sent him

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<v Speaker 2>there because it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, chill He'll be fine, And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>he you would you would think it would be the

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<v Speaker 1>other way around, like the mom would be more of

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<v Speaker 1>the like softer, like oh, and then your dad would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, no, this is why we sent him here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of different to see that your mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad played different roles.

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<v Speaker 2>They do. My mom in a lot of ways. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's the soothing voice and character for the whole

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<v Speaker 2>family and that's who she's always been. And then my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he just always wants people to be their

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<v Speaker 2>best and rise to the occasion, and because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want people to be in the place where he has

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<v Speaker 2>been throughout his life. And he always reminds me in

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<v Speaker 2>any conversations. He reminds me of where he had been

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, the small one room house that he

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<v Speaker 2>lived in when he was in Nigeria growing up with

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<v Speaker 2>five brothers. He reminds me often, and so he I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a bit of a nervous anxiety there because

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want his children to go back to that place.

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<v Speaker 2>But my mom is just that's why they're married. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel they compliment each other very very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I like that you seem to separate what you

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<v Speaker 1>learn in college and what they instilled in you. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is that, Like, was there that much of a differentiation

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<v Speaker 1>to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I think what they instilled in me was

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<v Speaker 2>more character building where I think for me, what college

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<v Speaker 2>did was give me the tools and the skill set

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<v Speaker 2>to be a high performer to an extent. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I could be doing what I do in my

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<v Speaker 2>band and also my solo work without both parts.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of character did they instill, Like, how did

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<v Speaker 1>they go about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I say, I mean partially hard work, but understanding

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing who I am. You know, I'm a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the character of Christ, if you will, and

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<v Speaker 2>who he is, and letting that be my guiding light

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<v Speaker 2>constantly in the industry. I think that's something that they

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<v Speaker 2>gave me because I think it is stilled good things

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<v Speaker 2>in me so that I can pursue good things within

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<v Speaker 2>the industry. I think those types of things, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to school, you know, it's about being

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<v Speaker 2>extremely curious. It's about learning your limits and your resilience

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<v Speaker 2>and your tenacity. Those things that I think, combined with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those good characteristics that I learned from my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully creates something that allows me to pursue my career

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that I feel like honors myself, honors

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<v Speaker 2>my parents, and ultimately honors God.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Wow, You're like perfect masterpiece. Now now

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<v Speaker 1>now take me back two parent household clearly middle class

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<v Speaker 1>upper Yeah, i'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Say middle class. I mean, my dad's a doctor, my

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<v Speaker 2>mom's a nurse. But they would say middle class in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that all the money they were using was

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<v Speaker 2>to help us, you know, do really amazing experiences or

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<v Speaker 2>go to boarding school. So they felt like they were

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<v Speaker 2>always underwater because they were always just spending money for our.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience, investing on you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then how many kids did they had?

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<v Speaker 2>Three? Three? Yeah, so myself, my sister who's younger, my

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<v Speaker 2>brother who's also younger. Oh, you're the oldest, I'm the oldest. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also I'm showing your dad was also nervous because he's,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, the president.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly it, Like, I don't know my baby girl

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna pursue surgery exactly, follow this doctor past exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still have to give homage to you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>for there's something to be said about a young person

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<v Speaker 1>that respects their parents enough to say, I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to beat the drum this way, but in obedience

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<v Speaker 1>to you guys and homage to you guys, I will

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<v Speaker 1>respect your wishes because there there is the path where

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<v Speaker 1>you could say this is the drum I'm beatn too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I think that there was a value that

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<v Speaker 1>you knew that these two individuals were working really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that you don't have this terrible life

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<v Speaker 1>that they had endured or they you know, they they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you guys to avoid. I love that you respected

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<v Speaker 1>them enough to say, I did the work. Now let

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<v Speaker 1>me go play bus band bucks. Please see this architecture thing.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter has. These they're like the magnet, lego, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you call them. Have you seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Those like the magnet? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you? Have you given them to your kids?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? We have them at home. That's why I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter brings these like builds, these masterpieces, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be up for like weeks, and then she puts a

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<v Speaker 1>little prisoner in each little cell block that she has

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<v Speaker 1>in her little castle that she's building on. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just she's so proud of her little masterpiece that it's like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know it looks messy, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm building. And I feel like when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to your sandbox, so you can look at your parents

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<v Speaker 1>and say, you know, this is you know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy, but I got a Grammy over here. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's crazy, but you know I'm making it over here.

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<v Speaker 1>You see this little award. But in your case, they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they got obviously bigger and bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>So take me, so you graduate Yale and take me

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<v Speaker 1>to where Pentatonics are, where you start to see a

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<v Speaker 1>formula forming information, where like music is starting to take lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm. So kind of like how I figured out that

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<v Speaker 2>music was going to be my thing? Yea more okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So then I would have to start probably earlier in college.

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<v Speaker 2>So in college on pre med knowing that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do medicine, and then my sophomore year of college,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually went to a program called the Harvard Bidging

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<v Speaker 2>Academy to study Chinese. And while I was there, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my Chinese teachers asked me, I'll say it in Chinese, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>naomi oshi, which in Chinese means have you ever thought

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<v Speaker 2>about combining cello and beatboxing? He just asked me randomly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, that's the craziest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because he heard you play both.

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<v Speaker 2>It was because I would talk about the cello a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in class, and then I'd beatbox because I just thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my Chinese professors thought that was the most

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<v Speaker 2>hilarious thing. They'd never seen people like beatbox before.

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<v Speaker 1>And then why were you taking Chinese?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, because at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So the year before the President of China invited one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred Yale students to go meet him his cabinet personally

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<v Speaker 2>for ten days, and so I got chosen for that trip.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the summer of my after my freshman year

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<v Speaker 2>of college, and it completely changed my life. Where I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I have got to study Chinese. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>would ever be another opportunity for me to study such

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult language. So I started studying that sophomore year.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Yale had a fellowship that allowed you to

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<v Speaker 2>study either in the summer or for an academic school

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<v Speaker 2>year an East Asian language, called the Light Fellowship. So

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<v Speaker 2>I did that for the summer after my sophomore year.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I was in China studying.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I just loved the labor built different I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I just loved laboring almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty years old, acquiring a whole new language.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that a part of it is like

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<v Speaker 1>the environment you grew up in. Do you there was

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<v Speaker 1>no intimidation when it came to school work or was

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<v Speaker 1>schoolwork just very easy for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think again? Talking about character, I think my parents

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<v Speaker 2>really helped foster curiosity. I think there's something about the

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant mentality where they just wanted their kids to be

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<v Speaker 2>the best that they could, and because they knew they

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<v Speaker 2>were immigrants and especially black in the country, they were like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be the best so that somebody will

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<v Speaker 2>even look at you as the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always kept that in the back of my

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<v Speaker 2>mind because they're like, we don't want anybody to look

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<v Speaker 2>at you and think that you were just because you're black.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do this or do that. And so my

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<v Speaker 2>mom always had this phrase saying, be extraordinary and uncommon

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<v Speaker 2>in everything you do. Don't just do what's ordinary, do

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<v Speaker 2>what's extra. If you're gonna do something common, do it uncommon.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the thing that people don't expect you to do,

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<v Speaker 2>because that helps the whole black diaspora look different to

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world. And I always I just

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I just always.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of kept that ordinary and uncommon.

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<v Speaker 2>Be extraordinary and uncommon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's so funny because if you look at your career,

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<v Speaker 1>you really took that to her a Jello beatbox and

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<v Speaker 1>Gello like exactly, it was completely exactly. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>she ever were to say, you don't listen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be like, I'm a yellow beatbox. What are you talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Extraordinary and uncommon?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I'm a I'm a part Nigerian, part Grenadian,

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese speaking cello playing Kentucky boy, Like where do I

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<v Speaker 2>fit it? Yeah? You know what I mean? But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I have learned, especially as you know when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Donovan missing my album, I finally realized what

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<v Speaker 2>made me so different and also teased. Don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>like I got made.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun of all the time, and not in Yale, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when I was in Kentucky. Oh my gosh, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you get teased for? I'm black playing playing playing

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<v Speaker 2>cello first and foremost, Like I remember kids being like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to be in this. They're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be an orchestra with us, Like what the world

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<v Speaker 2>made you pick? So my mom and my dad they

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<v Speaker 2>were sending my sister to violin lessons with the string teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>The string teacher, funny enough, was actually a cellist, but

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<v Speaker 2>she knew how to teach violin and be over for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, so my sister was taking from her. And

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<v Speaker 2>they asked me, would you want to play cello? And

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I'm good, I don't need to. But I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what a cello was. So then they put

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<v Speaker 2>this wooden box in front of me, and she just

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 2>started teaching me things and I'm like, I don't know

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.240
<v Speaker 2>what I'm doing. I'm just kind of having fun with

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.480
<v Speaker 2>this wooden box. And then they put a cello in

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 2>front of me, and then it was just a wooden box,

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>just a wooden box, just for me to get used

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<v Speaker 2>to the feel of a cello and what the chello

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>feels like in me to my my knees. So they

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 2>just gave you a box, literally, a wooden box. It

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:27.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the cello. It's just like this box exactly, and

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like just trying a couple of things out to like

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>feel what a cello's like.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was no strings.

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 2>But there were no strings. It just was just to

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 2>get used to the feeling of it. And again, I

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know what this is. I'm just living my life

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>were then six.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, So like if I walk over to my six

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>year old and say, hey, put this box, that's exactly

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly it. Okay, So then sounds crazy. You're sitting there.

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I could imagine my daughter going okay, exactly americanized child

0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:58.160
<v Speaker 1>child's like whatever you say.

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just what you said. And so. But then they

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>put a cello in front of me and my mom,

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and my mom like, you know, she kind of said

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 2>at any point, if you don't want to do this,

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>like you don't have to yeah, But I just kept going. Literally,

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't any time I was like this sucks, like wait,

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 2>this is no.

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<v Speaker 1>They replaced the box.

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 3>With they replaced the box with a cello.

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Eventually you like the sound or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the sound. I was progressing really fast, it

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 2>was it just was kind of fun. Like, if I

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 2>will say this today, it still feels like an instrument

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>that I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Master really after how many years have you been there?

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<v Speaker 2>After what so about six so thirty one years now, Jesus,

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it feels like I still can't master it. But I'm

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>saying that in a way where it keeps me pursuing

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and seeking and trying to find new ways because it's

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>just so much more that whether it's for singing or beatboxing,

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like I just I want to pursue more and see

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>what more I have to to.

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Offer now as six. I mean, I've watched some stuff.

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 1>I try not to school up too much because I

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>like to be president in the interviews. But at six,

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>were you making the beat boxing type sounds?

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I was making sound Okay, so you were?

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>You were doing it then? And then did you have

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>any there was a period where I was I remember

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I was playing music one year, and I, for whatever reason,

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I inherited like an ear for music, like where I

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>could imitate sounds okay, no no, no, piano, like you know,

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you can hear a sound, and like you know, sure,

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.679
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how that happened. It was like

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a brief year and then it went away. But did

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you when you were playing the cello, did you have

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that moment of realizing that your ear and your I

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know, your music were aligned.

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I definitely knew that I could hear music and replay it, okay,

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>ear so playing music by ear? I knew that.

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I knew at around that age and.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Earlier I knew that that was just kind of within me.

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes the professors or teachers would be angry because

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>like play was on the music, like play was on

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the on the on the sheet music. But I'm like,

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 2>but I'm having so much fun, like listening to all

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, like and just imitating what I'm hearing, right,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, anyway, I started playing cello that way from

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that string teacher. And then again the beat boxing comes

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>whenever I'm in college in terms of bringing cello and

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>beatboxing together, and I go, you know, I thought it

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.439
<v Speaker 2>was a crazy idea for my Chinese teacher to tell

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>me that, because actually, in my head, I thought I

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 2>was going to get judged by the classical community, because

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 2>how are you going to take hundreds of years of

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 2>this of this classical music that's supposed to be in

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.479
<v Speaker 2>a box and so so sacred and tarnish it with

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what they would probably call street music?

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, hip hop. But now going back, because we

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>were kind of talking about the bullying. So going back,

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>you're black. Yeah, you're playing the cello. You you're you're

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>honoring this classical you know, which, for lack of better word,

0:26:56.960 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>we don't see it as a black people music, and

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.919
<v Speaker 1>especially back then. You know, maybe now it's like oh okay,

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, but back then, no, how did you not

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>end up with some type of impostor syndrome?

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so funny. I don't think I realized

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>like I was black playing classical music until other kids

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 2>told me. I was like, I remember I was in

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>an all state orchestra. I was second chairs my ninth grade,

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and some kids back behind me were like, you know,

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to be here, and I'm like, what

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>do you mean I'm not supposed to be here? I

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't like even register until one of my friends, like,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>they're saying that because you're black, and I go, wait,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>since when was that ever? A Like, I didn't even

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>think about it. So for me, it was more like

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I just knew that I loved it. The sound, the

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 2>sound of my cello wasn't black or white to me,

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it was just music. It just hit me in my soul.

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's the first time when I realized what in

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the world, like I wasn't It didn't It didn't exactly

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 2>make sense to me until then, But then I didn't.

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I hadn't pop that's or syndrome, just

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>because like I loved it, and my teachers continue to

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 2>just like foster a love of it, and I kind

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>of just found like my own friends too, who like

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 2>just loved me.

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>For me, but the bullying didn't have any negative impacts,

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like there was no come home with some kind of no.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely say it that it would have some

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>negative impacts. Like when I say negative, I think it

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>was more trying to figure out if who I actually

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>am is who I believe I say I am because

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 2>what they're saying I'm supposed to be, which is, oh,

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>black head, you're not supposed to be in these academic

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 2>classes or black head, you're not supposed to be playing

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>this kind of instrument. But I love it. So am

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I who I think I actually am? Somebody who just

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>loves this music and can just do this music, not

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>because of my color, but because of how I love this.

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think again that's when I I the teachers

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that I had who really loved Metri for me, Yeah,

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>and making the music that I made. I just kind

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of continued focusing on that. And like also, I think

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>meeting other black string players was really helpful. Like I

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>remember ninth grade, I went to Ihga College for a

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Suzuki cello camp and I met this guy, one of

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>my best friends to date, Ruben Harris, and I was like,

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I've never met another black cellis before and so he

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and I. I mean we played at church together at

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 2>the Ithaca Camp. He's now off doing he's as a

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>startup that's really really successful. But like those to see

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>somebody else doing what I loved and just enjoying it unapologetically,

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that changed so much of it for me.

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's what you see today. I mean a Zenma,

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>she's an amazing violinist, black doing crazy things. She was

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>just on tour with Beyonce as a violinist. Like that

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>is what I wish I saw growing up, very regularly

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and frequently that I think would have made me feel

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>less alone. So I think I think that's why I'm

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>so passionate about the music I'm making now with Donova Misfit,

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>because I want kids to know, especially kids that look

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>like me, that the things that you're probably being counted

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 2>out for, the things that you're being teased for as

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>weird or unique or as different or as weird as

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 2>people may say that is that actually might be the

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>superpower that you have been given to change your world. Yeah,

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and you need to hone in on that thing, no

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>matter what anybody says, because you don't want to lose

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>out on your superpower just because somebody says you can't.

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, damn. So the Donava Misfit is out. What is

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>your favorite What is your favorite track on the record?

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Man, so there's this track called Hallelujah, I Don't Think

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>about You.

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And the breakup anthem.

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, my breakup anthem.

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>That's the one I wish that when I go through

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a breakup.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't think about it.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 3>I get a step what'd you say, Well, i'd want

0:30:59.400 --> 0:30:59.959
<v Speaker 3>to step in down?

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>You want to stepping down the street? What did you love?

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>If you go to a breakup? And that's how the

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>breakup really is, though, I mean, it gets there, but

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't get there right away or sure right. So

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but I listened to it and I'm like, I'm gonna

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>be there one day.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>It takes time. It really takes that.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how guys are with breakups

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>or different people are, but I know as a female,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there's like a period of morning.

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the same thing with guys. Okay, at least for me.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Not the way you made it sound. You was like

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh he happy.

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, so it's funny. This was this song I wrote

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>because of somebody I had worked with. Funny enough, it's

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>not a it wasn't a romantic thing. It was actually

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody I worked with who they left our lives and

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a toxic working relationship and it

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>was years after where I go, wait a second, I

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize how toxic this was. So I actually worked

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 2>with you see, one of my bandmates was on that

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>song because this person knew that person as well, and

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, bro, you're the only one that knows

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the story. We should write this and it We wrote

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it in like two hours, and it was so therapeutic.

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>We were able to to be like, oh wait, that's

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>what I would want to say now, like where I

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>can just have joy about it and like, hey, I

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>thank you for everything it was, but now I'm gonna

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.959
<v Speaker 2>let you leave my life and I'm going to live

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>life unapologetically and thank you in a joyous way, like hey,

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>thank you, but I'm not thinking about you no more. Yeah,

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I gotta keep it moving and keep my joy.

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's where I wrote it. And honestly, I

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 2>remember coming home from the demo session with my bandmate

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Scott and also a girl named Rozzy Crane, one of

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>our best friends, and I drove home and I said,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>listening to the demo, I go, this is the sound

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I had been looking for my whole life. I knew it, Okay,

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm so excited that even this is the

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>song that people know me the best for because I

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>remember it to me when I think about cello and beatboxing, right,

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>if that's the most simple version of what I'm doing now.

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>If you take the cello and expand that out, that's

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>classical music. If you say beat boxing, spend that out,

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 2>that's hip hop, that's modern genre. So it's me fusing

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>modern genre and and and and and classical music in

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a way that feels so seamless but has so much joy,

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>which I think I bring when I play cello and

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>beatboxing together. So it just it's my favorite song. It

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>makes me feel like me the most. And it's also

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>a little petty, which I also like.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>To especially if it's a work situation. But I ain't

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna lie. You listen to it and you're like, I

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>want to even if you're going through a breakup or

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>anything relatable. You know, it's nice to hear a song

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like, yeah, you know, it kind of

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of the big songs like f You or

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>something like. It's like but it's it's just like it's

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a very empowering outside of that song. Is there another song?

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>First of all? Is there a song where there's a

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>morning period.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 2>On this album?

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so a beat.

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, I'm not gonna say it's all a beat,

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's definitely I didn't really write a lot of

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 2>relationship songs, and I'll tell you why. Honestly, when I

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>was first trying to understand my artistic journey, I didn't

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>feel like I could have a lot of like love

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>romantic morning songs because I just was like, I feel

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 2>like everything that's ever written about that has been written,

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Like what can I add to the conversation that I

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>think would make what I do different? I really thought that,

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and only now because I think I'm coming from the

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>perspective of a first generation like person or like from

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>immigrant culture, I feel like there are definitely things that

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I now see where I go, Oh, I don't know

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>if people understand this experience, Like, for example, I love you,

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>but my parents don't like you because you don't respect

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 2>like what they're coming from, A like those type of

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>things right, or you know, for example, like thinking about

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't try to fall in love in the beginning

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>because what my parents had told me was that, like,

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>love is not good for your health, love is not

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.959
<v Speaker 2>good for for your school work. Yeah, They're like, love's

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 2>not good for your your school work. It's not good

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>for you to like I just like that's that was

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the mentality. So I was like, I'm not going to

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>date because this is gonna mess up my ability to

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>get into college. It's what they implied. As we kept

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 2>thinking about school work and things like that, like if

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I like the girl, like okay, cool, but can you

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 2>actually balance that with your with what you're trying to

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 2>do here, Like this is important what we're trying to

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>You can do this later, And I was like, oh, yeah,

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>that makes so much sense, Like I could, I could

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>date later.

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>But like so you were able to logically say they

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>had they had instilled enough structure where you could be

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like I like this girl, but your parents were like, Okay,

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that's cute and all, but this is the track we're on,

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and you were able to to say, you know what

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you're right and put aside your feelings.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think it wasn't so direct like that,

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>but it was more of the environment I lived in

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and what let's say we collectively were trying to do

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 2>as a family, which was to succeed in the United States.

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>There were just certain things where I was like, this

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 2>is going to mess up my shot, just straight up,

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 2>like I can't. I can't. I'm not trying to think

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>about girls. I'm not trying to like, yeah you cute, Yeah,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I see you on the Dance World, Let's dance wool.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>But like other than that, like I'm about business right now.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Like it just kind of was what it was, and

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that was just instilled in me because of

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 2>where they came from, what they told me. So I

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>remember those stories, but like, yeah, well, I mean obviously

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>when I joined Panatonics started to become adult, like that

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>was a different story because like now I had done

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. But yeah, man, I think, like, so

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>those are the kind of stories though, I go, oh,

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I can write about that love from that perspective, And

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 2>that's why it's funny. I've been writing for this next

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>album and I'm like, I want to make an album

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.439
<v Speaker 2>about love and relationships, like thinking about those things because

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I know that there are other like immigrant kids, where

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.399
<v Speaker 2>there's kids that you know they're Indian kids who comes

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>to United States. I know they go through similar similar things,

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>or like Chinese kids that go through similar things. I

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>know they do because I've had the conversations with them.

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, I want to I want to add

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>those stories because I always go like and music, like

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 2>who speaks for them? Like when I think about bernow, boy,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 2>what I love about bern I is like he speaks

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>for black people, he speaks for African people. He's like, look,

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I want the whole world to know that I am

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 2>here for you and that you are more powerful than

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>you believe. Yeah, that's that's all. He's only empowering. Like,

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, who empowers like the immigrants in a

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 2>way that it's not like, well, my mom is from

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 2>not that, it's just the stories that they all know.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Like honestly, I got that from it. And this is

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>so funny to say this. I feel like I got

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that mentality from Taylor Swift. What yes, I know, let

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 2>me tell you why. So I my wife is nobody

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>expects like Taylor Swift of all people.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something though, just to sign note

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I my production here today. The guy and the girl

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>are actually really good Taylor Swift fanshifties. They're Swifties. Well,

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the girl for sure. And the guy is like, if

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift comes on, he's not changing it, you know

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Like, like it will come on. Him

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and his boys could be working out, and everyone's just

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of like they let it ride out, which I

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>think is funny. I'm like, yeah, we should make a

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>skit of just Taylor Swift coming on and nobody touching

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to change it. But the truth of the matter is

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I do have a respect for Taylor and her womanly strength,

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and I have a respect for Taylor and her writing

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>ability and all that or whatever. But I do think

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that Taylor Swift is coming up in this conversation.

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure. No, I'll tell you why. So, as

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I was making my album, one of the things that

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 2>my label and or asked me is like, who are

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you writing this for? And I think I, like, intuitively knew,

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't figure out the way to pinpoint it

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and just write it down so clearly. So my wife

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is a massive Swifty, massive massive message Swifts, and so

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 2>she wanted to go to see her in concert at

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Santa Clara the Levi Stadium. So I was like, okay, cool,

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a swiftie, but I love my wife and

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to stay married, so I'm gonna go and

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>support my wife. So I go. I meet her friends.

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>So we're at this hotel where there's I mean, it's

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 2>decked out in all this Taylor Swift stuff. And so

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>we go to breakfast and I meet these two young girls,

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>they're probably fifteen and thirteen, and they're with their parents,

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about Taylor Swift, talking about how excited

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>they are, and this breakfast space is crowded, so we're

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 2>all together eating breakfast. So I just happened to be

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 2>sitting right across from them with their parents. So I

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 2>asked the parents, like, do you mind if I ask

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>your kids a couple of questions about Taylor Swift because

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I am new to this and I'm trying to understand

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>why people love her so much, because I don't understand,

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.399
<v Speaker 2>So I asked them, like, what is it about Taylor Swift?

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>As people who are a generation removed, what is it

0:39:57.840 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 2>about her that you guys love so much?

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 3>And they said, it's as if.

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 2>She opened up our journals and wrote everything I ever

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>thought about love as a girl.

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>And when they said that, I go, oh, that's interesting.

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 2>It's not that she's just making good music. She's connecting

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 2>to these girls and the lexicon she is using is

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>speaking to the way girls think about this stuff.

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>See, Okay, I get what you're saying. I think I

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 1>love hip hop. I love hip hop. I grew up

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>on jay Z. Hip hop is like my first I

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 1>would say it's my first love. And Joiner Lucas, I think.

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>He is the most incredible rapper. Let me tell you

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 2>right now, join Lucas point blank.

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>By far. I can listen to Joiner Lucas and is

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>not much. He says that I just can't be like

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>damn does he? You know Wall's hearing, you know, totally relate.

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And there's Eminem and there's Jay and there's all these

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>people that you can relate to. I think when you

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>get to like the Joiner in them, and they're less

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>metaphoric than the J's and the Nas and those guys.

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But I don't I don't think and I don't know.

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just an outsider, but like when I hear an

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>artist get that vulnerable, I almost feel like I create

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>platforms because I want people to know that we all

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>have goal through the same issues and sold struggles. We

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>just don't know it.

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I can look at you and be like, oh, his

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>life must be amazing, and then we sit down and

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like and you're like, oh, okay, we're the same.

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think when an artist breaks that vulnerability of

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like just pure like nakedness, that's where the fans can

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:45.240
<v Speaker 1>really like, oh wait, we are on the same page.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>But I don't never I don't think I ever think

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 1>that an artist intentionally writes to capture that spirit, right am,

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I right?

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean it depends, like sometimes they do, and sometimes

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 2>they're just flowing and spitting. But again, like a lot

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.800
<v Speaker 2>of stuff like okay and w A, they're speaking literally

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 2>from their experience being it like like that is their experience.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's like they are speaking and people are going

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>crazy because they're like I know that. I know that

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>because my cousin data like I know that. And so

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I think when you're speaking from an experience that that

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you have and you realize, oh, way, other people have

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 2>this experience too, and you say it in a way

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.839
<v Speaker 2>that they go it opens like the light bulbs go off.

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Right then I think you really hook people. So that's why,

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember, like when I went to this Table

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Swift concert and I'm seeing my wife and all of

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 2>her friends like screaming, and I'm seeing all these young girls.

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, I understand it. That's so that's when

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, who are my people? Who are my

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly and that's what I was trying to figure

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 2>out because in my head, I go, I know, there

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>are black kids that are made fun of. There are

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>immigrants that are made fun of because they like things

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that people may say that's not either stereotypically black, or

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>there might be white kids that say you shouldn't be

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>doing that. And now the thing that they love maybe

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 2>it's archery. I don't know, maybe it's cello. Had they

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>had somebody like me say hey, you're good, let me

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 2>play songs and write music for you, Like I have

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>this one song called Well. I did a cover of

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Miss of Crazy Mona's Barkley. But my whole story behind

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>it was just feeling like nobody understands me because I'm

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>a misfit. I don't fit into any bomb and realizing

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 2>over seventeen years and making this finally get into this ilbum,

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>going that's okay. I just never had that that's okay part.

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 2>And I want other kids who look like me or

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>come from those those backgrounds to go that's okay. And

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody rocking with me who understands that that's okay.

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's just like finding my people.

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think children of immigrants definitely have their own lane.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>My mom's a Jamaican. If you're a Jamaican, you already know,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you already know what it is, you already know the

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>trauma that bears being a Jamaican.

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Yo.

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.959
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because me and my girlfriend we talk. I'd

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>never been to Jamaica, but sometimes you know, when you're mixed,

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>people discredit your blackness or your ethnicity, and I'm like, eh, nope,

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I have a Jamaica mom, which means to me, it

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>makes me one hundred percent qualifying to say this is

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>who I am. But I want to go back to

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:19.919
<v Speaker 1>your first record deal.

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah take me there. Yeah sure. So the first record

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>deal that we got is funny. So it was when

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>we won the TV show the singlef from Pentatonics. We

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>on the show, if you win, get a two hundred

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, So you get two hundred thousand dollars and

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you also get a recording contract with Sony Records. So

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>we get the record deal. But what people don't know

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 2>is like thirty days afterwards, we actually got dropped. How

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 2>So we meet with the record executive team and at

0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 2>that time there was a new executive in the building.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna the name of who it was. There

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 2>was a new executive who was just trying to get

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the record company i think in a sense solvent, so

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 2>that they would be able to generate cash. So they're

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>focusing on their winners. So he comes in and he

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>sees this new contract. He's like, what's this. I don't

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>know what this is. And so him and his team

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>they ask us in that first meeting, will you guys

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>put music behind what you do the a cappella vocals?

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>And we were like, no, we just won a TV

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>show for not doing that, and like people are loving that.

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>They're like cool, cuck cuckoock cool, cool cool. And then

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 2>we found out from our manager at the time. He said, yeah,

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>they're they're most likely going to drop you guys. They

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>gave you guys a kill fee of this much to

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 2>kill the contract, and so you can Yeah, they call

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it a killfee.

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 1>We'll go back to the two hundred k too. Did

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you guys have to split that all amongth Yes, that's

0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, And that's taxes too, and then how

0:45:58.840 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>long did it take to get the check?

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly it. So like moving. So this is why

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so funny because people are like, oh,

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, two hundred thousand dollars, y'all making money, blah

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah. Okay, so first of all, two

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars, right, taxes, so half of that one

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand. Also, they're probably like salary k one stuthing

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that I don't really understand, but I remember, we get

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 2>that and it's split in five ways, so it's twenty

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>grand right each. But like, you're moving to California, right,

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>so I have to buy a car because I don't

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>have a problem there.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>You have to move to California.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, we wanted to move to California, so I

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>had never moved to California, so like the moving fees,

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a car, never had a car in

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 2>my life at that time, because you know, you're in college,

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't need a car. So I'm like,

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 2>buy a car for like ten thousand dollars. It was

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>a ninety seven. It was a ninety seven LS four

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>hundred Lexus, So it was like beating down a little bit.

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Jakie had one hundred and some thousand.

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Miles on your parents at this point, like on board

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>with like helping you out a little bit.

0:46:55.239 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Well kind of, but they were kind of so they

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 2>had already helped me out, I think from their standpoint

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>with allowing me to help me with pay with some

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 2>college bills because you know, obviously they're like, oh, this

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 2>big Yale bill, that's exactly it, right, you're using exactly so,

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And I still had to pay off the rest of

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 2>that Jesus exactly so. Like honestly, we didn't really start

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 2>making money until twenty fourteen when we had our first

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 2>big Christmas album. Like I remember that first year. I

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 2>think we each made like fifty grand from our tour,

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>which was like a good amount to us. But remember

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 2>fifty grand half we got fees for actually doing the tour.

0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly it. And that's forty percent off the top.

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 2>People don't know that stuff. So it's fifteen percent for management, yeah,

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.839
<v Speaker 2>ten percent for your business manager, five percent for your agent, sorry,

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>ten percent for your agent, five percent for your lawyer. Right.

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 3>So it's like you forget all that. Yeah, and that's

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>off the gross, that's not off the the not off

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 3>the net.

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's like it's just yeah.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>So now at this point, you guys are learning the

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.919
<v Speaker 1>crash course of like I know, Yale's teaches a lot.

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they don't teach finances. It's funny.

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>You go to college and then you enter the real

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 1>world and like, oh, I don't think they discussed any

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of this.

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Where is that?

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>But take me back to before Pentatonics forms? Then I'm sorry,

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm zig zagging. Yes, take me back before Pentatonics because

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to know, before you guys entered the show,

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 1>how did that whole formulate?

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, how did they come to how did they come together?

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 4>So?

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So I come back so so so after my junior year,

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I took a year off and I study Chinese some more.

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I got money to study China Chinese. But I loved it.

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I love studying Mandarin Chinese. It was so fun.

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>So is there any way to cash in on that

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>later in life? Or is this going to be just

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a fun hobby. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>no no no. What we going to do with this Chinese?

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>And what are we going to do with the Chinese?

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Why do you study? Yeah, no, I've had a viral

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 2>video for a bit. Other than that, I guess I'm a.

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Sex show dad, Like what are we doing with this Chinese?

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I ever toured China?

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>You want to know something, Yes, actually it will probably

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.720
<v Speaker 1>come in handy, like maybe on one of your tracks

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>or something. You never know, because Chinese, there's Chinese immigrants

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly relate.

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I will say this. I'll tell you actually at one

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 2>time it actually came in handy. And now, well, then

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.399
<v Speaker 2>we'll go back to the story. So our biggest song

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to date is Hallelujah, and we had actually done a

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Christmas version of Hallelujah with different lyrics.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.320
<v Speaker 3>So this is twenty sixteen, We're on tour in Asia

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 3>in Singapore, and we.

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Finish it turn it into the label feeling good about it,

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want to think about it anymore. We're done. But

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>then we find out that we can't do that version

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 2>because the Leonard Cohen estate had said, hey, that we're

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 2>not doing any other version that you can record except

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>for my version. So we were flying to Taiwan for

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a show and we had to turn it in really quickly.

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So we land and then the next morning before the

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>show is that night we had to go into the

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 2>studio and record ourselves singing the right lyrics. So I'm

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>speaking to all the engineers in Chinese because I'm the

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 2>only one that knows how to speak to them.

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So in that case it actually really really helped.

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I will say this though, you know what I overlooked

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 1>in this conversation where the Chinese actually came in handy,

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 1>what there would be no Kevin beat boxing celloists if

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 1>there was no Chinese. That's true because it was your

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Chinese professors exactly. They said, have you ever thought about

0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>bringing them to so technically the dudes have already been paid. Hey,

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate right if you have you thought about that before,

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.399
<v Speaker 1>but that could be your comeback if your dad ever says,

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>what are we going to do with this Chinese exactly?

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, he never said that actually about I just loved it.

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 3>He's like, cool, that's that's fine.

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not paying for it. I'm living. You don't have

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to pay for it.

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:07.359
<v Speaker 3>Some cool.

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I've sent you to college, go have your college education.

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so take me back to prior Pentatonics.

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, right, So how we started? So I take

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that year off after my junior year to study Chinese.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Now the summer a.

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Year off of Yale, I can't have a problem.

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, because I had gotten a fellowship from Yale to

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 2>be able to study for an academic year. So I

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 2>did the LFE fellowship. I was telling you about twice,

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 2>once for the summer and then one for the academic year,

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 2>so we didn't have to pay a dome. So I

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.959
<v Speaker 2>finished that and then that summer. Funny enough, I bummed around.

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do anything that summer before my senior year.

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I was living in China, hanging out with Chinese friends, traveling, like,

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 2>no internship, no nothing. So a lot of people probably

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>think you're you're wasting your life or whatever. I was like,

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm living my life. I don't need to do nothing.

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 2>But what I did do was I started studying this

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.399
<v Speaker 2>piece called Julio by a guy named Mark Summer who's

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>part of the Turtle Islands Drink Quartet, And I started

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 2>practicing that. And at that point I had felt like

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I had gotten enough skills to try to add beatboxing

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.399
<v Speaker 2>throughout a whole entire piece. Before I had just done

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 2>like simple scales and beat boxing or an easy groove.

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>And this is the first time where I said, can

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I do it throughout a whole piece? So I worked

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:22.759
<v Speaker 2>on that for the whole summer while I was in China. Yeah,

0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I took a whole summer to do that, but then

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 2>it took a whole year to perfect it, Like I

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 2>did it throughout my whole campus. I did it a

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 2>talent show.

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:30.320
<v Speaker 1>How long is it?

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Four minutes? It took that long because it was something new,

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>like I could not figure out how to make it

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 2>feel seamless, like I'd make so many mistakes while I'd

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 2>be playing cello and beatboxing at the same time, Like

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 2>like think about that, like trying to make that happen

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 2>and work, Like, oh, it's just easy. You think it's

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna take me like.

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.279
<v Speaker 1>A mutt if it took this song. I don't know

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 1>how you guys would feel about this, but like he

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>brought his cell I did, and I would love to

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 1>know what that would sound like after a year you've

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously perfected it. Sorry, we're gonna get like a little

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to get a little sneak people, We'll do it.

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll bake it in. But I'll get to hear

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:14.400
<v Speaker 1>what real work sounds.

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I will.

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 3>I will give you the four levels of cello boxing.

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Ill show you.

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 1>No, you said the piece, yeah, I will is at

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the four levels of boxing or the whole.

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 2>No, So I'm going to show you what it sounded

0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 2>like when I started off to finally get to that piece.

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll just show you step because I saw that before

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:36.839
<v Speaker 1>I saw what on Like, No, I want to see

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the the final Yeah, okay, I can do that too.

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that is that?

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that horrible that I'm asking? I just want to

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>see it because it's like if it took that long

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to learn it.

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want.

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to witness greatness.

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>That's all I will.

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Play you with. Slipping of that, that's easy, I get that.

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, you are good, don't worry.

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so that long. It took. It took a

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 2>year of performing getting comfortable with it before I felt

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 2>like really really solid in that for.

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Me a year, meaning you played it every day.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I played it maybe not every day, but throughout campus

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 2>people would ask me the cool talent shows, I'd play

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.240
<v Speaker 2>it at those I would play it for. I actually

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 2>use it for my audition for music school because I thought,

0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want to try this music thing for

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Why don't I go to music school.

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>But then what happened was my senior spring semester, I

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>got nominated for a senior prize in the arts, and

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 2>so I needed to show a portfolio of work. So

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, why don't I use this piece and

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>show that to the arts committee. So one of my friends,

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Jake Brewin, he filmed me playing this piece and he said, bro,

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 2>why don't you put this up on YouTube? And I'm like,

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 2>nobody cares. Nobody cares about this piece, Nobody cares about

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>this kind of music. It's not what Jason Derula was

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 2>popping at the times. It's not Jason Derulo is. It's

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 2>just it's just a a jello piece, that's it. And

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, but you have nothing to lose, and

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's true. I don't have anything to lose. Okay,

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I recorded it, I put it up online,

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>went to bed, didn't think anything of it. A few

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 2>days later, my roommates knocked my door and they told me, yo,

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 2>your video is number four on Reddit, and like, to me,

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I go, What's Reddit? I had no idea what Reddit was.

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where that is, Like what read? Who read?

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 4>Who? Like what?

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get it. But then the video is getting

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands and millions of views, and I'm like,

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>what is going on? Why is this happening. I'm just

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.279
<v Speaker 2>trying to graduate and literally at that time finished for

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 2>my senior essay and like, I'm not thinking about all

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. Opportunities were coming. New York Times had asked

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:40.480
<v Speaker 2>me for the next Chullu beat boxing video you do

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we want an exclusive premiere, and I'm like, it took

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 2>me a year to get the first one, so it's

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>not gonna take you another year to get the next,

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Like like what like was not prepared, but that video

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 2>got to the eyes of our friend Ben bram. Ben

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Bram is the is one of the producers of Pentatonics,

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 2>but he was also acer on the TV show The

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 2>sing Off, and one of the acapella groups on the

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>show sent him that video, say hey, have you ever

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:10.720
<v Speaker 2>seen this kid before? And my bandmate, Scott Mintioned Kersey

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.719
<v Speaker 2>had just joined together to form for this TV show

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and they had found a bass singer, but they had

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 2>gone through four to five different beat boxers and they

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 2>had not found the right person. But they were like,

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 2>that's the guy. He sent it to them, like you

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>need this guy, so they literally facebooked me. Scott facebooked

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:31.759
<v Speaker 2>me that Facebook. He facebooked me, He's like, bro, Loop,

0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.359
<v Speaker 2>we just saw your video. This is dope trying out

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 2>for this TV show. Don't know if you're interested in this?

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And I said no. I was like, this is not

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:42.240
<v Speaker 2>something I'm interested in. I've seen so much acapella. I'm

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 2>acapella out. I don't want to do this. Oh yes,

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I said no.

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Did you even see their work?

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Not yet? So he sent me after that like, hey,

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to send you just a video of us singing.

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Just check it out. I know you already said no,

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 2>but just check it out and see what you think.

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Scott.

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Scott was Scott determined yet out this guy exactly. Scott was.

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 3>He definitely did not take no. He was he was,

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:06.879
<v Speaker 3>he was, and he's still that way.

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.800
<v Speaker 2>He's still like he's determined when he wants something. But

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>he sent me a video of them singing Telephone by

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Lady Gaga. Okay song, it's a great song, and they

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 2>were singing it for their high school show choir concert,

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, this is actually a young yeah,

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean they were younger than me, so when I

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 2>was twenty two, they were eighteen nineteen at the time.

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:28.160
<v Speaker 2>So I see this video and I'm like, okay, that's cool,

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:29.720
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, can you just show us like a

0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 2>little like can you do a little just beat boxing

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>by itself? So I sent I finished my last final

0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and I sent a little video of me beatboxing to

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 2>them through Facebook.

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Even though you weren't still weren't interested.

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I still was. I was like, I was starting to

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 2>get a little bit more interested after you heard them,

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 2>after I heard them sing. So I sent a little

0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 2>video of me doing this thing, and he was like, yeah,

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 2>this is perfect. You should you should join us. And

0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, what is the audition? He goes, it's

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>this date, so which is two weeks after I graduate

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 2>from college. I thought about it, and I said, and honestly,

0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 2>my thought process was, you know what, I'm meeting new people.

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try music out anyway. It's like it's

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna be like a summer camp, because little music summer camp.

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And then where was this audition?

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, that audition, Oh, the audition for the TV show

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 3>was in Los Angeles.

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you had to get on a plane.

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 3>So what we did is that I paid for half

0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 3>the flight, and he asked his mom to pay.

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:24.439
<v Speaker 2>For the other half.

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 3>M Scott, Yes, I like, Scott, get this.

0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Hey Mama, look, I don't know if it's gonna

0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.120
<v Speaker 2>pay any divides, but like, look, I'm gonna ask this guy.

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who he is. He could be crazy.

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly it. So I graduated, and then two weeks later,

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm on a plane. I get there on a Friday,

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and then I meet them the day before the audition.

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>We practiced literally just the day before the audition, all

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 2>five of us, and I'll never forget. We were all like,

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 2>wait a second, this sounds good, like even me. Well,

0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I said, I did not like acapella like point blank

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>did not like it.

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm like, this is that's how I feel

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like musicals. I'm not really a fan of them.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm not a musical person. No no, no, no,

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 2>no no. And it's so funny because I did musical

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 2>like my bandmate's love musical. It's not necessarily my thing.

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes me feel good that she would admit that.

0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'll be fully honest.

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Now I did. I just did see a musical recently

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 2>that I really did, like call no I did.

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 3>This is the first one.

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, this is kind of fly. It

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 2>was Oh my gosh, it.

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't Alicia Keys. Thing was no, no, have you heard

0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 1>about it?

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I actually did she have a musical like.

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 1>A hell of a Kitchen or something, helles kischen.

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't know she did that. I think she did.

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I don't know if she was in it,

0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:47.320
<v Speaker 1>but she it was okay, go about it, yes, Okay, So.

0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 2>We do that, and I'm like, this is kind of fly.

0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 2>So then we do the audition the next day, and

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand the scope and the magnitude of the show.

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>There were hundreds of acapella groups trying out from all

0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 2>over the country. I didn't know that. So I'm coming

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in blind, just live in my life. Because I was

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't put any pressure on it. I was like, yeah,

1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go in, live my life. Whatever. So we

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 2>do the audition and I'll never forget. We do telephone,

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>We do one of the song and they were really

1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:12.320
<v Speaker 2>liking it. They said, can you improvise something for us

1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 2>on the spot.

1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like a subway sandwiching.

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Literally kind of like that, like do you do a

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:17.640
<v Speaker 2>little jingle or do something?

1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 1>And we're like, we know, so, yeah, because you have

1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to be in harmony and you guys have to like

1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:26.160
<v Speaker 1>practice exactly.

1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's funny. Somebody just said I think Scott

1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a video of the audition tape, and he goes, I

1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:34.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know how they chose it because we were terrible,

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 2>like that part of.

1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It, you guys, and we just met, you know what

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like, what do you mean?

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:45.040
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I remember, So we finished the audition. I'm

1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 2>not thinking we killed it or didn't. I just like, cool,

1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 2>we did it. We go to Olive Garden immediately afterwards,

1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:53.520
<v Speaker 2>because right, yeah, we broke it. We broke go to

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Olive Garden. We're sitting outside of Olive Garden.

1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Scott gets a call and he's like okay, yeah, wow, okay, cool,

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 3>thank you.

1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 2>We're like, what happened? Goes? We got on the show

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, we're one of sixteen on this show

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was just sixteen groups. Like oh wow. So we're trying

1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:11.560
<v Speaker 2>to figure out a name for the for for our

1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:14.240
<v Speaker 2>group we called. We came up with Pentatonics and they

1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:15.720
<v Speaker 2>were like, that's a terrible name.

1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a hard name.

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:17.320
<v Speaker 2>That's a hard name.

1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:19.320
<v Speaker 1>How would you come up with that? I thought you're

1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:20.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna say we were looking at Spooner was.

1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:24.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, no, no. So so we came up with

1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:27.240
<v Speaker 2>the name because there's a scale in music called the

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.680
<v Speaker 2>pentatonic scale, and it's a five note scale that is

1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:32.640
<v Speaker 2>used in all different types of music. And because of

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:35.320
<v Speaker 2>how diverse we were and we love all types of music,

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:37.080
<v Speaker 2>we thought that could be a really good thing that

1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.600
<v Speaker 2>represents who we are. And that was all Scott. He

1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:42.560
<v Speaker 2>learned that in theory class. I was just I'm along

1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:44.560
<v Speaker 2>for the ride. Okay, yeah, I was along for the ride.

1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, cool, sounds good to me. Exactly how

1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:49.720
<v Speaker 2>spelling though, right, And it's funny because they were like,

1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:53.560
<v Speaker 2>you guys should call it yourselves Fifth Harmony, and we

1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:58.880
<v Speaker 2>were like, whoa, yeah, exactly right, there's already a group

1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 2>now called that. There another name was like Plead the Fifth.

1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:04.439
<v Speaker 2>It was bad. It was bad.

1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that guy exists, just to save the little

1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:10.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of savings he did.

1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:12.880
<v Speaker 2>He did, Okay, So that's how we formed.

1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:17.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful story. For those of you guys that

1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:20.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I met Kevin like twenty years ago, over

1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:21.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago. He didn't even know who I was

1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:27.280
<v Speaker 1>because I was telling Kevin. I remembered him because he

1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:31.120
<v Speaker 1>was so remarkably talented, and I saved his number on

1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:32.919
<v Speaker 1>my phone. And I have this role with my cell

1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:35.800
<v Speaker 1>phones because I do actually have a lot of people's

1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:39.000
<v Speaker 1>numbers on my phones. And you know, when you transfer phones,

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't always transfer the numbers over. That's true, and

1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.720
<v Speaker 1>so I keep all my phones. I have a cabinet

1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that has like ten iPhones and it's serious, yes, because

1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone's in iPhone. It's a lot androids, all of them.

1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I had learned that whenever I transfer phoned, they

1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.320
<v Speaker 1>don't always transfer, and sometimes I may be looking for

1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:00.760
<v Speaker 1>XYZ's contact and I'm like, I know I have it,

1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:04.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe three or four phones ago, I have the number.

1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:08.880
<v Speaker 1>But ironically, by the grace of God, Kevin, I promise you,

1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like I'll have like, let's just use Tom Brown or whatever.

1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:15.439
<v Speaker 1>It'll say Tom Brown, Tom Brown, Tom Brown, Tom Brown

1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:16.880
<v Speaker 1>on my phone, but none of them will actually have

1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the number or the email. But I think on yours,

1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:21.439
<v Speaker 1>did I have your email and your number?

1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe?

1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:27.200
<v Speaker 1>But I saw that I had looked, and I know

1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Lie had his number in my phone. I called it.

1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course he didn't and whatever, and I left this

1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.160
<v Speaker 1>voice like I know you don't know me or you

1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:39.040
<v Speaker 1>may not remember me, but we know somebody that I

1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:42.520
<v Speaker 1>was lucky enough that we knew a'm mutual. But I

1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:46.080
<v Speaker 1>co called, I co called and a cold email, and

1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:49.200
<v Speaker 1>somehow we almost didn't work it out because of scheduling,

1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and then we almost didn't work out again because of

1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Kevin's Teeve is very bulletproof.

1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:55.960
<v Speaker 2>They are thorough.

1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.360
<v Speaker 1>They slipped him off the email like he was like,

1:03:58.400 --> 1:04:00.160
<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? I'm like, yo, they told

1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you off that email was like, I know you think

1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:04.800
<v Speaker 1>this is how it's going on, but this is how

1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it's really going down. And I was like, oh oh.

1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.040
<v Speaker 1>So I went to Todate's and really thought like, oh,

1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.240
<v Speaker 1>this interview may not happen, but you always come prepared.

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, I'm gonna dress my best, I'm

1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:18.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna do my best, I'm gonna show up. I'm not

1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:22.080
<v Speaker 1>even gonna tell Trevor the producer that this may get canceled.

1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:24.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, damn, I'm probably gonna have to

1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:26.880
<v Speaker 1>pay him for his time. So I was like, I

1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:28.840
<v Speaker 1>wonder if you would hear me, let me get away

1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.000
<v Speaker 1>with not paying him today. Probably not gonna happen, but

1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:33.800
<v Speaker 1>just a case cause you know, if talent cancels, I

1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:37.120
<v Speaker 1>still got to pay and so but I'm so thankful.

1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:38.480
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I wanted to share with

1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys is, like Kevin and I were talking earlier,

1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, when you watch your art history

1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and you see the talent and you see what goes

1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:48.680
<v Speaker 1>into it, It's like, I don't think you can really

1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.640
<v Speaker 1>fully put it into perspective if you don't really know

1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the person, you don't get to see their growth. And yes,

1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I remember Kevin, he was younger than me, but very talented.

1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.480
<v Speaker 1>And I remember just being like, Yo, this this kid's different,

1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and I followed him on, like if it was socials

1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.479
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, I always made sure to follow you. And again,

1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fan of hip hop, so you know, you

1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:13.160
<v Speaker 1>bring cello to a beaten just uniqueness. I just was

1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:15.360
<v Speaker 1>always a huge fan. So I think it was LinkedIn

1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.320
<v Speaker 1>or somewhere one of your socials I started seeing like

1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, Kevin's doing stuff, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I followed you and it's just crazy to see

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<v Speaker 1>your journey up close and from when you were like young,

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<v Speaker 1>and to know that you didn't give up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you did give up, and if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take Chinese right, we may not be sitting here, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't go to the doctor that often, so

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<v Speaker 1>we probably would have never seen each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yo, that's funny, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have never happened. So but thank you for honoring

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<v Speaker 1>your parents and respecting your parents and giving homage to

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<v Speaker 1>your family and you know, staying the course, because because

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<v Speaker 1>you do that, you know there's gonna be other immigrant

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<v Speaker 1>kids of immigrant children, immigrants, black people, brown people, and

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<v Speaker 1>other people that because you let your light shine. They're

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<v Speaker 1>able to do the same. So you know, even just

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<v Speaker 1>this interview gives me like another week before I quit.

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up three days from now and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I quit. But no, I think it's really important that

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<v Speaker 1>we share these stories. And I'm super thankful that she

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<v Speaker 1>showed up. Super thankful on many levels. I did not

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<v Speaker 1>think this interview is gonna happen. And I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>responded to my email. Got a job, man, you said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor got paid today. I was sitting there like, I called, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sending your team emails like and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to pay Trevor.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get those. No, we wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They was taking No. I made sure that we responded

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<v Speaker 1>and copied you on the ones today because I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he'll be like, this is in my schedule. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to try to manipulate it. But I thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to this is very terrible of me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to take advantage of having Kevin in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio, so I will be having him just play

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<v Speaker 1>a little something, which, by the way, his team did

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<v Speaker 1>not approve he ain't bring no challo over there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I didn't even really know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm glad to bring it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I wanted to see your talent and see

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<v Speaker 1>the growth, and you know, I want to see what

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<v Speaker 1>a year's worth of work looks like. So I'll record

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<v Speaker 1>it on my iPhone and have my team bake it

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<v Speaker 1>in so you guys could enjoy it too. But thank

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<v Speaker 1>y'all for tuning in. Please go check out Dawn have

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<v Speaker 1>a misfit Yes out now anywhere and enjoy enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're going through a breakup, you know, hallayu ya.

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<v Speaker 2>Peace, don't think I don't think about you.

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<v Speaker 1>No peace. For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio and

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