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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen, and today we have very special guest, singer, songwriter,

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Speaker 1: beat boxer Sellice Kevin O Lucia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there we go.

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Speaker 3: You said anything there, that's that's it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a dad, your dad, but you know

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Speaker 2: that's exactly it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So before we get into your story, I

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Speaker 1: am tempted to do I don't know which one to do. First,

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Speaker 1: try to get a little beatboxing in, or you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is possible. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: challenge you to tell me what you're gonna eat today

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Speaker 1: in an artistic Kevin way. Is that possible?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: No, I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You're like, wow, make up a song on the spot

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Speaker 1: what you're eating today?

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to make. This is a Subway sweet

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Speaker 2: onion chicken teriocky sandwich. And this is something that was,

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Speaker 2: I mean a staple when I was starting off in Pentatonics.

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Speaker 2: I ate that, like I said, almost every single day

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Speaker 2: because they had five dollars foot longs. So I could

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Speaker 2: take this, cut this in half, have it for lunch,

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Speaker 2: and I also have it for dinner and it was perfect.

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Speaker 1: So this is during your Pentatonics.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, this is I mean I was just.

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Speaker 1: Sure, how far are you going to take me back?

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Speaker 1: So we're going to go for the bag.

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Speaker 3: We'll go for the bag. But I'm just telling you

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Speaker 3: this is that's this.

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Speaker 1: So this was like your Prime Brokes. Oh it's crazy

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Speaker 1: because Pentatonics is huge. So you were struggling to they

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Speaker 1: get during and then did you and then you get

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Speaker 1: to see all the success. So it was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: after Subway, you got I don't know what you.

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Speaker 3: Eat, that's you want to know what I'll eat out.

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Speaker 2: So I'm blessed that I can do this. But what

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Speaker 2: I do is I actually order family meal sized tender

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Speaker 2: Green boxes. Do you know tender greens? Right? So I'll

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Speaker 2: get a family sized tender Green box and then I'll

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Speaker 2: use that as my meal prep through the week, So

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Speaker 2: do like chicken, vegetables, salmon smart exactly, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: also cook a little ground turkey. I did this last

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Speaker 2: night with my daughter Kaya and then I just put

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Speaker 2: that in for some extra protein and that's my meal

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Speaker 2: throughout the week.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So you're still you're you're still like financially conscious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because I don't want to go back there,

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Speaker 2: YEA one.

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Speaker 3: And two just with with resources.

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Speaker 2: I want to steward them well, because I want to

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Speaker 2: teach my kids what it means to steward wealth so

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Speaker 2: that they don't have to go through that. And then

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Speaker 2: you know, we talk about it like generational wealth building

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Speaker 2: in the black family and something that I think is

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Speaker 2: just super important, and so I want to do that

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Speaker 2: for my kids.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I can respect that. Tender grains.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, tender family.

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Speaker 1: You know what's so funny. I know people that do that,

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Speaker 1: they'll like order I don't know, they don't use tender greens,

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Speaker 1: but they'll do like pan express and an order family style.

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Speaker 1: And then like if you work a nine to five

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Speaker 1: shout outs, you know, you order the big size and

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Speaker 1: then you could just keep it in the fridge at

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Speaker 1: work and just eat it serve yourself all week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly, that's exactly it. I mean, I take it,

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Speaker 2: I box it up, and then as I go to

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Speaker 2: either my production sessions or for the band, I just

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Speaker 2: take two of those things. Boom, I got my lunch,

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Speaker 2: I got my dinner, and it's easy.

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, and what's the day in the life right now,

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Speaker 1: like because it sounds so it sounds like hard work.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a lot. I mean. So Sundays is when

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Speaker 2: I meal prep all that stuff. So Sundays that's usually

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Speaker 2: when all the food comes in. That's why I take it.

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Speaker 2: That's when I cook the ground turkey and then make

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Speaker 2: my boxes. And then during the week, I mean, because

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Speaker 2: I still have right now these one or like sixteen months,

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Speaker 2: doesn't wake up and you know, interrupt that. And then

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Speaker 2: as family time, after family time taking kids to school,

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Speaker 2: I'm either practicing or doing some of the work on

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Speaker 2: Pentatonics work, which I like because I get to focus

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Speaker 2: my band gets my overflow, which I think is just

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Speaker 2: super super important, and that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's fully cohesive with you having your your outside

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Speaker 1: project outside of Pentatonics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think it's best because each member is

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Speaker 2: reach the community that I want to reach, I think

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Speaker 2: that just brings more people into the Pentatonics fold because

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Speaker 2: some of these people, it's been so cool to see

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Speaker 2: my project kind of have the success that it's had.

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Speaker 2: Like I found out a few weeks ago that over

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million views have been on my

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Speaker 2: project over my whole social media wow, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of these people go, I've never heard

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Speaker 2: of Pentatonics, but I love what you do. And then

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Speaker 2: through that they go, who who is this? I didn't

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Speaker 2: know about Pentatonics. They're learning about it and now they

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Speaker 2: want to come see our shows too. So I think

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Speaker 2: as every member kind of connects with their community, it

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Speaker 2: also connects them back to.

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Speaker 1: The band relate because I only know Pentatonics because I.

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Speaker 2: Know you exactly, exactly the exactly.

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Speaker 1: Now take me back to well, actually, let's let's try it,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure you're hungry and this is kind of cold,

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Speaker 1: so let's try it.

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Speaker 2: Let's try I'm ready man, onion, sweet onion, onion, chicken Teryoki, Yes,

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the name.

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Speaker 1: You like it.

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Speaker 2: It's still hits.

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Speaker 1: I have to get like a piece of chicken in it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I never ordered this before, and.

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Speaker 2: So the sweet onion sauce, that's the thing that just

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Speaker 2: makes it for me every single time.

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Speaker 1: And then they were asking me a bunch of questions like.

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Speaker 2: What vegetables do you want?

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Speaker 1: What cheese do you want? And I was like, Kevin

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Speaker 1: did not send me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't send you those details any directions.

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Speaker 1: So I was just like, whatever you make it to

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Speaker 1: make it classic. What bread do you want? Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I probably would have this is really good.

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Speaker 2: If I had to think back to that time, I

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Speaker 2: think it was like a whole wheat bread or they

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Speaker 2: have like the cheese. It was probably some sort of

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Speaker 2: like Swiss cheese. And they always had their salt and pepper,

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Speaker 2: always put salt and pepper on it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was so interesting because so we win the TV

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Speaker 2: show to sing Off as a band, and that was

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Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, and then twenty twelve we move. I

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Speaker 2: remember we moved to West Hollywood in this apartment complex

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Speaker 2: on San Vicente and Howser Boulevard. Across the street was

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Speaker 2: the subway. So what eleven you know, eleven am before

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Speaker 2: we start rehearsal. I'd go get that food, come back,

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Speaker 2: bring it back. And it's just so it's so like

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Speaker 2: powerfully emotional for me because I remember during that time,

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Speaker 2: our rent was six hundred and thirty two dollars fifty cents.

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Speaker 2: I remember that very very specifically each or something, yes,

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Speaker 2: each and in LA that's.

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Speaker 1: You guys have a girl in your group? Though, yes,

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Speaker 1: how did that work?

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Speaker 2: I mean she made it work too. I mean we

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Speaker 2: six hundred and thirty two dollars fifty cents. We were

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Speaker 2: all in the same apartment complex, not in the same

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Speaker 2: apartment like the Basing and I were in one. Churcy

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Speaker 2: I and I remember my father came to see where

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Speaker 2: I was living at that time. Now you have to know,

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Speaker 2: my dad is a Nigerian.

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Speaker 1: And that's what makes me laugh exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Like he's a Nigerian man who came to the United

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Speaker 2: and they wanted me to pursue what I mean, I

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Speaker 2: would call the immigrant Holy Trinity. Right, Docta Eloya an engineer. Right.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that I, you know, kind of defected

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Speaker 2: So they come see me. You know, these are the

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Speaker 2: kind of meals that I'm having. They're seeing the kind

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Speaker 2: of place that I live in. I remember my father

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Speaker 2: and he was so sad. He son, I spent all

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Speaker 2: of my heart earned money to send you to a

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Speaker 2: with no guarantee of a future. Please reconsider because this

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Speaker 2: is heartbreaking for me as a father.

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Speaker 1: Right, how do you feel on that moment when you

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Speaker 2: So I felt sad because I felt like I knew

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Speaker 2: I had no idea what the end goal was. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I also look at it and I remember texting

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Speaker 2: my father this. I said, I understand everything that you're saying. However,

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Speaker 2: I haven't lost any of the ideals and the messaging

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Speaker 2: that you've given me throughout life. I'm just using it

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Speaker 2: in a completely different way. So everything you've instilled in me,

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Speaker 2: the values.

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Speaker 1: Is all there, but how do you comeback the also

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Speaker 1: the Yale expenditure.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I had finished all of my pre med

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Speaker 2: requirements while I was at Yale.

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Speaker 1: Oh hilarious.

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Speaker 3: So I told that, Look, if this doesn't work out,

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Speaker 3: I got the plan.

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Speaker 2: I got the plan. B. We are good. Like we

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Speaker 2: of my mind, honestly.

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Speaker 1: So, you did all your pre med and everything.

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Speaker 2: Pre med requirements, and if I wanted to take the

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Speaker 2: m CAT, I think the MCAT would be good for

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Speaker 2: five years after you take it. So I was like,

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Speaker 2: I got time. I hadn't taken the m CAT yet,

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Speaker 2: but I'm like, I got time to make this all work.

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Speaker 2: And if this doesn't work, that's fine. I actually really

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm not going back to medical school.

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Speaker 1: But I also think there has something that has to

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Speaker 1: be said about your character because you still respected your

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Speaker 1: parents to not flunk out of you, sure not drop

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Speaker 1: out of you, to say, and I could see from

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Speaker 1: wishes because you already respected his right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I finished, I finished my college degree. I did it,

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Speaker 2: and I did well, and and again I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I was passionate about all of it. It's just that

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Speaker 2: I knew I would regret not at least trying music.

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Speaker 2: I would regret it so much. So that's when I decided,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to give it, as they say,

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Speaker 2: the good old college, try and put my all into it.

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Speaker 1: she ever were to say, you don't listen to me.

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00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: You'd be like, I'm a yellow beatbox. What are you talking?

440
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: Extraordinary and uncommon?

441
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm a I'm a part Nigerian, part Grenadian,

442
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 2: Chinese speaking cello playing Kentucky boy, Like where do I

443
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 2: fit it? Yeah? You know what I mean? But I

444
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 2: think I have learned, especially as you know when we

445
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: talk about Donovan missing my album, I finally realized what

446
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: made me so different and also teased. Don't get me wrong,

447
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: like I got made.

448
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: Fun of all the time, and not in Yale, obviously

449
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: in Kentucky.

450
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was in Kentucky. Oh my gosh, what

451
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: did you get teased for? I'm black playing playing playing

452
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: cello first and foremost, Like I remember kids being like,

453
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be in this. They're not supposed

454
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: to be an orchestra with us, Like what the world

455
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: made you pick? So my mom and my dad they

456
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: were sending my sister to violin lessons with the string teacher.

457
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: The string teacher, funny enough, was actually a cellist, but

458
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: she knew how to teach violin and be over for

459
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: some reason, so my sister was taking from her. And

460
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: they asked me, would you want to play cello? And

461
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: I go, I'm good, I don't need to. But I

462
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 2: didn't know what a cello was. So then they put

463
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: this wooden box in front of me, and she just

464
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 2: started teaching me things and I'm like, I don't know

465
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. I'm just kind of having fun with

466
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: this wooden box. And then they put a cello in

467
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: front of me, and then it was just a wooden box,

468
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: just a wooden box, just for me to get used

469
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: to the feel of a cello and what the chello

470
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: feels like in me to my my knees. So they

471
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: just gave you a box, literally, a wooden box. It

472
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: wasn't the cello. It's just like this box exactly, and

473
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: like just trying a couple of things out to like

474
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: feel what a cello's like.

475
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: But there was no strings.

476
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: But there were no strings. It just was just to

477
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: get used to the feeling of it. And again, I

478
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: don't know what this is. I'm just living my life

479
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: were then six.

480
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh, So like if I walk over to my six

481
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: year old and say, hey, put this box, that's exactly

482
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. Okay, So then sounds crazy. You're sitting there.

483
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: I could imagine my daughter going okay, exactly americanized child

484
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: child's like whatever you say.

485
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm just what you said. And so. But then they

486
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: put a cello in front of me and my mom,

487
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: and my mom like, you know, she kind of said

488
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: at any point, if you don't want to do this,

489
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: like you don't have to yeah, But I just kept going. Literally,

490
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: there wasn't any time I was like this sucks, like wait,

491
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: this is no.

492
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: They replaced the box.

493
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: With they replaced the box with a cello.

494
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: Eventually you like the sound or something.

495
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: I liked the sound. I was progressing really fast, it

496
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: was it just was kind of fun. Like, if I

497
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: will say this today, it still feels like an instrument

498
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: that I can't.

499
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: Master really after how many years have you been there?

500
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: After what so about six so thirty one years now, Jesus,

501
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: it feels like I still can't master it. But I'm

502
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: saying that in a way where it keeps me pursuing

503
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: and seeking and trying to find new ways because it's

504
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: just so much more that whether it's for singing or beatboxing,

505
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: like I just I want to pursue more and see

506
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: what more I have to to.

507
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Offer now as six. I mean, I've watched some stuff.

508
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: I try not to school up too much because I

509
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: like to be president in the interviews. But at six,

510
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: were you making the beat boxing type sounds?

511
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I was making sound Okay, so you were?

512
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: You were doing it then? And then did you have

513
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: any there was a period where I was I remember

514
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I was playing music one year, and I, for whatever reason,

515
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: I inherited like an ear for music, like where I

516
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: could imitate sounds okay, no no, no, piano, like you know,

517
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: you can hear a sound, and like you know, sure,

518
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know how that happened. It was like

519
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: a brief year and then it went away. But did

520
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you when you were playing the cello, did you have

521
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: that moment of realizing that your ear and your I

522
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: don't know, your music were aligned.

523
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: I definitely knew that I could hear music and replay it, okay,

524
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: ear so playing music by ear? I knew that.

525
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: I knew at around that age and.

526
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: Earlier I knew that that was just kind of within me.

527
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: And sometimes the professors or teachers would be angry because

528
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: like play was on the music, like play was on

529
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: the on the on the sheet music. But I'm like,

530
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: but I'm having so much fun, like listening to all

531
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: this stuff, like and just imitating what I'm hearing, right,

532
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, I started playing cello that way from

533
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: that string teacher. And then again the beat boxing comes

534
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: whenever I'm in college in terms of bringing cello and

535
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: beatboxing together, and I go, you know, I thought it

536
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: was a crazy idea for my Chinese teacher to tell

537
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: me that, because actually, in my head, I thought I

538
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: was going to get judged by the classical community, because

539
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: how are you going to take hundreds of years of

540
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: this of this classical music that's supposed to be in

541
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: a box and so so sacred and tarnish it with

542
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: you know what they would probably call street music?

543
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, hip hop. But now going back, because we

544
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about the bullying. So going back,

545
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: you're black. Yeah, you're playing the cello. You you're you're

546
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: honoring this classical you know, which, for lack of better word,

547
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: we don't see it as a black people music, and

548
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: especially back then. You know, maybe now it's like oh okay,

549
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, but back then, no, how did you not

550
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: end up with some type of impostor syndrome?

551
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. I don't think I realized

552
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: like I was black playing classical music until other kids

553
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: told me. I was like, I remember I was in

554
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: an all state orchestra. I was second chairs my ninth grade,

555
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: and some kids back behind me were like, you know,

556
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be here, and I'm like, what

557
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: do you mean I'm not supposed to be here? I

558
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: didn't like even register until one of my friends, like,

559
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: they're saying that because you're black, and I go, wait,

560
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: since when was that ever? A Like, I didn't even

561
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: think about it. So for me, it was more like

562
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: I just knew that I loved it. The sound, the

563
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: sound of my cello wasn't black or white to me,

564
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: it was just music. It just hit me in my soul.

565
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: So that's the first time when I realized what in

566
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: the world, like I wasn't It didn't It didn't exactly

567
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: make sense to me until then, But then I didn't.

568
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: I don't think I hadn't pop that's or syndrome, just

569
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: because like I loved it, and my teachers continue to

570
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: just like foster a love of it, and I kind

571
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: of just found like my own friends too, who like

572
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: just loved me.

573
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: For me, but the bullying didn't have any negative impacts,

574
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: like there was no come home with some kind of no.

575
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: I would definitely say it that it would have some

576
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: negative impacts. Like when I say negative, I think it

577
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: was more trying to figure out if who I actually

578
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: am is who I believe I say I am because

579
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: what they're saying I'm supposed to be, which is, oh,

580
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: black head, you're not supposed to be in these academic

581
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: classes or black head, you're not supposed to be playing

582
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: this kind of instrument. But I love it. So am

583
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: I who I think I actually am? Somebody who just

584
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: loves this music and can just do this music, not

585
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: because of my color, but because of how I love this.

586
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

587
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: And I think again that's when I I the teachers

588
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: that I had who really loved Metri for me, Yeah,

589
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: and making the music that I made. I just kind

590
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: of continued focusing on that. And like also, I think

591
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: meeting other black string players was really helpful. Like I

592
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: remember ninth grade, I went to Ihga College for a

593
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: Suzuki cello camp and I met this guy, one of

594
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: my best friends to date, Ruben Harris, and I was like,

595
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: I've never met another black cellis before and so he

596
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: and I. I mean we played at church together at

597
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: the Ithaca Camp. He's now off doing he's as a

598
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: startup that's really really successful. But like those to see

599
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: somebody else doing what I loved and just enjoying it unapologetically,

600
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: I mean that that changed so much of it for me.

601
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: And that's what you see today. I mean a Zenma,

602
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: she's an amazing violinist, black doing crazy things. She was

603
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: just on tour with Beyonce as a violinist. Like that

604
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: is what I wish I saw growing up, very regularly

605
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: and frequently that I think would have made me feel

606
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: less alone. So I think I think that's why I'm

607
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: so passionate about the music I'm making now with Donova Misfit,

608
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: because I want kids to know, especially kids that look

609
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: like me, that the things that you're probably being counted

610
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: out for, the things that you're being teased for as

611
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: weird or unique or as different or as weird as

612
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: people may say that is that actually might be the

613
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: superpower that you have been given to change your world. Yeah,

614
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: and you need to hone in on that thing, no

615
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: matter what anybody says, because you don't want to lose

616
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: out on your superpower just because somebody says you can't.

617
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn. So the Donava Misfit is out. What is

618
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: your favorite What is your favorite track on the record?

619
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh?

620
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: Man, so there's this track called Hallelujah, I Don't Think

621
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: about You.

622
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: And the breakup anthem.

623
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Yes, my breakup anthem.

624
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: That's the one I wish that when I go through

625
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: a breakup.

626
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think about it.

627
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: I get a step what'd you say, Well, i'd want

628
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 3: to step in down?

629
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: You want to stepping down the street? What did you love?

630
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: If you go to a breakup? And that's how the

631
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: breakup really is, though, I mean, it gets there, but

632
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: they don't get there right away or sure right. So

633
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: but I listened to it and I'm like, I'm gonna

634
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: be there one day.

635
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: It takes time. It really takes that.

636
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how guys are with breakups

637
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: or different people are, but I know as a female,

638
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's like a period of morning.

639
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: That's the same thing with guys. Okay, at least for me.

640
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Not the way you made it sound. You was like

641
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I said, oh he happy.

642
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Well, so it's funny. This was this song I wrote

643
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: because of somebody I had worked with. Funny enough, it's

644
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: not a it wasn't a romantic thing. It was actually

645
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: somebody I worked with who they left our lives and

646
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: it was kind of a toxic working relationship and it

647
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: was years after where I go, wait a second, I

648
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: didn't realize how toxic this was. So I actually worked

649
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: with you see, one of my bandmates was on that

650
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: song because this person knew that person as well, and

651
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, you're the only one that knows

652
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: the story. We should write this and it We wrote

653
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: it in like two hours, and it was so therapeutic.

654
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: We were able to to be like, oh wait, that's

655
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: what I would want to say now, like where I

656
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: can just have joy about it and like, hey, I

657
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: thank you for everything it was, but now I'm gonna

658
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: let you leave my life and I'm going to live

659
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: life unapologetically and thank you in a joyous way, like hey,

660
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: thank you, but I'm not thinking about you no more. Yeah,

661
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: Like I gotta keep it moving and keep my joy.

662
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: So that's that's where I wrote it. And honestly, I

663
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: remember coming home from the demo session with my bandmate

664
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: Scott and also a girl named Rozzy Crane, one of

665
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: our best friends, and I drove home and I said,

666
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: listening to the demo, I go, this is the sound

667
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: I had been looking for my whole life. I knew it, Okay,

668
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: That's why I'm so excited that even this is the

669
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: song that people know me the best for because I

670
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: remember it to me when I think about cello and beatboxing, right,

671
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: if that's the most simple version of what I'm doing now.

672
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: If you take the cello and expand that out, that's

673
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: classical music. If you say beat boxing, spend that out,

674
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: that's hip hop, that's modern genre. So it's me fusing

675
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: modern genre and and and and and classical music in

676
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: a way that feels so seamless but has so much joy,

677
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: which I think I bring when I play cello and

678
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: beatboxing together. So it just it's my favorite song. It

679
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: makes me feel like me the most. And it's also

680
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: a little petty, which I also like.

681
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: To especially if it's a work situation. But I ain't

682
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna lie. You listen to it and you're like, I

683
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: want to even if you're going through a breakup or

684
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: anything relatable. You know, it's nice to hear a song

685
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of like, yeah, you know, it kind of

686
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: reminds me of the big songs like f You or

687
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: something like. It's like but it's it's just like it's

688
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: a very empowering outside of that song. Is there another song?

689
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: First of all? Is there a song where there's a

690
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: morning period.

691
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 2: On this album?

692
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so a beat.

693
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I'm not gonna say it's all a beat,

694
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: but it's definitely I didn't really write a lot of

695
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: relationship songs, and I'll tell you why. Honestly, when I

696
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: was first trying to understand my artistic journey, I didn't

697
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: feel like I could have a lot of like love

698
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: romantic morning songs because I just was like, I feel

699
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: like everything that's ever written about that has been written,

700
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Like what can I add to the conversation that I

701
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: think would make what I do different? I really thought that,

702
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: and only now because I think I'm coming from the

703
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: perspective of a first generation like person or like from

704
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: immigrant culture, I feel like there are definitely things that

705
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: I now see where I go, Oh, I don't know

706
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: if people understand this experience, Like, for example, I love you,

707
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: but my parents don't like you because you don't respect

708
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: like what they're coming from, A like those type of

709
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: things right, or you know, for example, like thinking about

710
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: I didn't try to fall in love in the beginning

711
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: because what my parents had told me was that, like,

712
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: love is not good for your health, love is not

713
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 2: good for for your school work. Yeah, They're like, love's

714
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: not good for your your school work. It's not good

715
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: for you to like I just like that's that was

716
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: the mentality. So I was like, I'm not going to

717
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: date because this is gonna mess up my ability to

718
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: get into college. It's what they implied. As we kept

719
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: thinking about school work and things like that, like if

720
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: I like the girl, like okay, cool, but can you

721
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: actually balance that with your with what you're trying to

722
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: do here, Like this is important what we're trying to

723
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: You can do this later, And I was like, oh, yeah,

724
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: that makes so much sense, Like I could, I could

725
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: date later.

726
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: But like so you were able to logically say they

727
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: had they had instilled enough structure where you could be

728
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: like I like this girl, but your parents were like, Okay,

729
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: that's cute and all, but this is the track we're on,

730
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: and you were able to to say, you know what

731
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: you're right and put aside your feelings.

732
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it wasn't so direct like that,

733
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: but it was more of the environment I lived in

734
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: and what let's say we collectively were trying to do

735
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: as a family, which was to succeed in the United States.

736
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: There were just certain things where I was like, this

737
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: is going to mess up my shot, just straight up,

738
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: like I can't. I can't. I'm not trying to think

739
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: about girls. I'm not trying to like, yeah you cute, Yeah,

740
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: I see you on the Dance World, Let's dance wool.

741
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: But like other than that, like I'm about business right now.

742
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: Like it just kind of was what it was, and

743
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: I think that was just instilled in me because of

744
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: where they came from, what they told me. So I

745
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: remember those stories, but like, yeah, well, I mean obviously

746
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: when I joined Panatonics started to become adult, like that

747
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: was a different story because like now I had done

748
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But yeah, man, I think, like, so

749
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: those are the kind of stories though, I go, oh,

750
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: I can write about that love from that perspective, And

751
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: that's why it's funny. I've been writing for this next

752
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: album and I'm like, I want to make an album

753
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: about love and relationships, like thinking about those things because

754
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: I know that there are other like immigrant kids, where

755
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: there's kids that you know they're Indian kids who comes

756
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: to United States. I know they go through similar similar things,

757
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: or like Chinese kids that go through similar things. I

758
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: know they do because I've had the conversations with them.

759
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I want to I want to add

760
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: those stories because I always go like and music, like

761
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: who speaks for them? Like when I think about bernow, boy,

762
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: what I love about bern I is like he speaks

763
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: for black people, he speaks for African people. He's like, look,

764
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: I want the whole world to know that I am

765
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: here for you and that you are more powerful than

766
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: you believe. Yeah, that's that's all. He's only empowering. Like,

767
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who empowers like the immigrants in a

768
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: way that it's not like, well, my mom is from

769
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: not that, it's just the stories that they all know.

770
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: Like honestly, I got that from it. And this is

771
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: so funny to say this. I feel like I got

772
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: that mentality from Taylor Swift. What yes, I know, let

773
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: me tell you why. So I my wife is nobody

774
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: expects like Taylor Swift of all people.

775
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something though, just to sign note

776
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: I my production here today. The guy and the girl

777
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: are actually really good Taylor Swift fanshifties. They're Swifties. Well,

778
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: the girl for sure. And the guy is like, if

779
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift comes on, he's not changing it, you know

780
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, like it will come on. Him

781
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: and his boys could be working out, and everyone's just

782
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of like they let it ride out, which I

783
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: think is funny. I'm like, yeah, we should make a

784
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: skit of just Taylor Swift coming on and nobody touching

785
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to change it. But the truth of the matter is

786
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: I do have a respect for Taylor and her womanly strength,

787
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: and I have a respect for Taylor and her writing

788
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: ability and all that or whatever. But I do think

789
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting that Taylor Swift is coming up in this conversation.

790
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. No, I'll tell you why. So, as

791
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: I was making my album, one of the things that

792
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: my label and or asked me is like, who are

793
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: you writing this for? And I think I, like, intuitively knew,

794
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: but I couldn't figure out the way to pinpoint it

795
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: and just write it down so clearly. So my wife

796
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: is a massive Swifty, massive massive message Swifts, and so

797
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: she wanted to go to see her in concert at

798
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: Santa Clara the Levi Stadium. So I was like, okay, cool,

799
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm not a swiftie, but I love my wife and

800
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay married, so I'm gonna go and

801
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: support my wife. So I go. I meet her friends.

802
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: So we're at this hotel where there's I mean, it's

803
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: decked out in all this Taylor Swift stuff. And so

804
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: we go to breakfast and I meet these two young girls,

805
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: they're probably fifteen and thirteen, and they're with their parents,

806
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: and they're talking about Taylor Swift, talking about how excited

807
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: they are, and this breakfast space is crowded, so we're

808
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: all together eating breakfast. So I just happened to be

809
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: sitting right across from them with their parents. So I

810
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: asked the parents, like, do you mind if I ask

811
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: your kids a couple of questions about Taylor Swift because

812
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: I am new to this and I'm trying to understand

813
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: why people love her so much, because I don't understand,

814
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: So I asked them, like, what is it about Taylor Swift?

815
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: As people who are a generation removed, what is it

816
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: about her that you guys love so much?

817
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: And they said, it's as if.

818
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: She opened up our journals and wrote everything I ever

819
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: thought about love as a girl.

820
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

821
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: And when they said that, I go, oh, that's interesting.

822
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: It's not that she's just making good music. She's connecting

823
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: to these girls and the lexicon she is using is

824
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: speaking to the way girls think about this stuff.

825
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: See, Okay, I get what you're saying. I think I

826
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: love hip hop. I love hip hop. I grew up

827
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: on jay Z. Hip hop is like my first I

828
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: would say it's my first love. And Joiner Lucas, I think.

829
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: He is the most incredible rapper. Let me tell you

830
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: right now, join Lucas point blank.

831
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: By far. I can listen to Joiner Lucas and is

832
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: not much. He says that I just can't be like

833
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: damn does he? You know Wall's hearing, you know, totally relate.

834
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: And there's Eminem and there's Jay and there's all these

835
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: people that you can relate to. I think when you

836
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: get to like the Joiner in them, and they're less

837
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: metaphoric than the J's and the Nas and those guys.

838
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think and I don't know.

839
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm just an outsider, but like when I hear an

840
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: artist get that vulnerable, I almost feel like I create

841
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: platforms because I want people to know that we all

842
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: have goal through the same issues and sold struggles. We

843
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: just don't know it.

844
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: You know.

845
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I can look at you and be like, oh, his

846
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: life must be amazing, and then we sit down and

847
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: you're like and you're like, oh, okay, we're the same.

848
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: And I think when an artist breaks that vulnerability of

849
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: like just pure like nakedness, that's where the fans can

850
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: really like, oh wait, we are on the same page.

851
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: But I don't never I don't think I ever think

852
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: that an artist intentionally writes to capture that spirit, right am,

853
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: I right?

854
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean it depends, like sometimes they do, and sometimes

855
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: they're just flowing and spitting. But again, like a lot

856
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: of stuff like okay and w A, they're speaking literally

857
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: from their experience being it like like that is their experience.

858
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: So it's like they are speaking and people are going

859
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: crazy because they're like I know that. I know that

860
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: because my cousin data like I know that. And so

861
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: I think when you're speaking from an experience that that

862
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: you have and you realize, oh, way, other people have

863
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: this experience too, and you say it in a way

864
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: that they go it opens like the light bulbs go off.

865
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: Right then I think you really hook people. So that's why,

866
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 2: Like I remember, like when I went to this Table

867
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Swift concert and I'm seeing my wife and all of

868
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: her friends like screaming, and I'm seeing all these young girls.

869
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: I go, oh, I understand it. That's so that's when

870
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: I was like, who are my people? Who are my

871
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: That's exactly and that's what I was trying to figure

872
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: out because in my head, I go, I know, there

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: are black kids that are made fun of. There are

874
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: immigrants that are made fun of because they like things

875
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: that people may say that's not either stereotypically black, or

876
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: there might be white kids that say you shouldn't be

877
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: doing that. And now the thing that they love maybe

878
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: it's archery. I don't know, maybe it's cello. Had they

879
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: had somebody like me say hey, you're good, let me

880
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: play songs and write music for you, Like I have

881
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: this one song called Well. I did a cover of

882
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: Miss of Crazy Mona's Barkley. But my whole story behind

883
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: it was just feeling like nobody understands me because I'm

884
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: a misfit. I don't fit into any bomb and realizing

885
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: over seventeen years and making this finally get into this ilbum,

886
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: going that's okay. I just never had that that's okay part.

887
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: And I want other kids who look like me or

888
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: come from those those backgrounds to go that's okay. And

889
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: there's somebody rocking with me who understands that that's okay.

890
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just like finding my people.

891
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think children of immigrants definitely have their own lane.

892
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: My mom's a Jamaican. If you're a Jamaican, you already know,

893
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: you already know what it is, you already know the

894
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: trauma that bears being a Jamaican.

895
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: Yo.

896
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: It's funny because me and my girlfriend we talk. I'd

897
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: never been to Jamaica, but sometimes you know, when you're mixed,

898
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: people discredit your blackness or your ethnicity, and I'm like, eh, nope,

899
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: I have a Jamaica mom, which means to me, it

900
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: makes me one hundred percent qualifying to say this is

901
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: who I am. But I want to go back to

902
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: your first record deal.

903
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah take me there. Yeah sure. So the first record

904
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: deal that we got is funny. So it was when

905
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: we won the TV show the singlef from Pentatonics. We

906
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: on the show, if you win, get a two hundred

907
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, So you get two hundred thousand dollars and

908
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: you also get a recording contract with Sony Records. So

909
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: we get the record deal. But what people don't know

910
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: is like thirty days afterwards, we actually got dropped. How

911
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: So we meet with the record executive team and at

912
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: that time there was a new executive in the building.

913
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna the name of who it was. There

914
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: was a new executive who was just trying to get

915
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: the record company i think in a sense solvent, so

916
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: that they would be able to generate cash. So they're

917
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: focusing on their winners. So he comes in and he

918
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: sees this new contract. He's like, what's this. I don't

919
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: know what this is. And so him and his team

920
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: they ask us in that first meeting, will you guys

921
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: put music behind what you do the a cappella vocals?

922
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: And we were like, no, we just won a TV

923
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: show for not doing that, and like people are loving that.

924
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: They're like cool, cuck cuckoock cool, cool cool. And then

925
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: we found out from our manager at the time. He said, yeah,

926
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: they're they're most likely going to drop you guys. They

927
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: gave you guys a kill fee of this much to

928
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: kill the contract, and so you can Yeah, they call

929
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: it a killfee.

930
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: We'll go back to the two hundred k too. Did

931
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: you guys have to split that all amongth Yes, that's

932
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: what I mean, And that's taxes too, and then how

933
00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: long did it take to get the check?

934
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. So like moving. So this is why

935
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: I think it's so funny because people are like, oh,

936
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: my gosh, two hundred thousand dollars, y'all making money, blah

937
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. Okay, so first of all, two

938
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars, right, taxes, so half of that one

939
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: hundred thousand. Also, they're probably like salary k one stuthing

940
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: that I don't really understand, but I remember, we get

941
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: that and it's split in five ways, so it's twenty

942
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: grand right each. But like, you're moving to California, right,

943
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: so I have to buy a car because I don't

944
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: have a problem there.

945
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: You have to move to California.

946
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: Oh no, we wanted to move to California, so I

947
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: had never moved to California, so like the moving fees,

948
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't have a car, never had a car in

949
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: my life at that time, because you know, you're in college,

950
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: I don't I don't need a car. So I'm like,

951
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: buy a car for like ten thousand dollars. It was

952
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: a ninety seven. It was a ninety seven LS four

953
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: hundred Lexus, So it was like beating down a little bit.

954
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: Jakie had one hundred and some thousand.

955
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Miles on your parents at this point, like on board

956
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: with like helping you out a little bit.

957
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: Well kind of, but they were kind of so they

958
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: had already helped me out, I think from their standpoint

959
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: with allowing me to help me with pay with some

960
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: college bills because you know, obviously they're like, oh, this

961
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: big Yale bill, that's exactly it, right, you're using exactly so,

962
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: And I still had to pay off the rest of

963
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: that Jesus exactly so. Like honestly, we didn't really start

964
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: making money until twenty fourteen when we had our first

965
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: big Christmas album. Like I remember that first year. I

966
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: think we each made like fifty grand from our tour,

967
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: which was like a good amount to us. But remember

968
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: fifty grand half we got fees for actually doing the tour.

969
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: And that's exactly it. And that's forty percent off the top.

970
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: People don't know that stuff. So it's fifteen percent for management, yeah,

971
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: ten percent for your business manager, five percent for your agent, sorry,

972
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: ten percent for your agent, five percent for your lawyer. Right.

973
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 3: So it's like you forget all that. Yeah, and that's

974
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: off the gross, that's not off the the not off

975
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: the net.

976
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

977
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: So it's like it's just yeah.

978
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: So now at this point, you guys are learning the

979
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: crash course of like I know, Yale's teaches a lot.

980
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh, they don't teach finances. It's funny.

981
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: You go to college and then you enter the real

982
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: world and like, oh, I don't think they discussed any

983
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: of this.

984
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Where is that?

985
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: But take me back to before Pentatonics forms? Then I'm sorry,

986
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm zig zagging. Yes, take me back before Pentatonics because

987
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to know, before you guys entered the show,

988
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: how did that whole formulate?

989
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh, how did they come to how did they come together?

990
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: So?

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: So I come back so so so after my junior year,

992
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: I took a year off and I study Chinese some more.

993
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: I got money to study China Chinese. But I loved it.

994
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: I love studying Mandarin Chinese. It was so fun.

995
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: So is there any way to cash in on that

996
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: later in life? Or is this going to be just

997
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: a fun hobby. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

998
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: no no no. What we going to do with this Chinese?

999
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: And what are we going to do with the Chinese?

1000
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: Why do you study? Yeah, no, I've had a viral

1001
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: video for a bit. Other than that, I guess I'm a.

1002
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: Sex show dad, Like what are we doing with this Chinese?

1003
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: I mean, if I ever toured China?

1004
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: You want to know something, Yes, actually it will probably

1005
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: come in handy, like maybe on one of your tracks

1006
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: or something. You never know, because Chinese, there's Chinese immigrants

1007
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: exactly relate.

1008
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: I will say this. I'll tell you actually at one

1009
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: time it actually came in handy. And now, well, then

1010
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: we'll go back to the story. So our biggest song

1011
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: to date is Hallelujah, and we had actually done a

1012
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Christmas version of Hallelujah with different lyrics.

1013
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: So this is twenty sixteen, We're on tour in Asia

1014
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: in Singapore, and we.

1015
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: Finish it turn it into the label feeling good about it,

1016
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: don't want to think about it anymore. We're done. But

1017
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: then we find out that we can't do that version

1018
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: because the Leonard Cohen estate had said, hey, that we're

1019
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: not doing any other version that you can record except

1020
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: for my version. So we were flying to Taiwan for

1021
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: a show and we had to turn it in really quickly.

1022
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: So we land and then the next morning before the

1023
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: show is that night we had to go into the

1024
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: studio and record ourselves singing the right lyrics. So I'm

1025
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: speaking to all the engineers in Chinese because I'm the

1026
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: only one that knows how to speak to them.

1027
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: Okay, So in that case it actually really really helped.

1028
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: I will say this though, you know what I overlooked

1029
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: in this conversation where the Chinese actually came in handy,

1030
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: what there would be no Kevin beat boxing celloists if

1031
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: there was no Chinese. That's true because it was your

1032
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: Chinese professors exactly. They said, have you ever thought about

1033
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: bringing them to so technically the dudes have already been paid. Hey,

1034
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate right if you have you thought about that before,

1035
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: but that could be your comeback if your dad ever says,

1036
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: what are we going to do with this Chinese exactly?

1037
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: Well, he never said that actually about I just loved it.

1038
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: He's like, cool, that's that's fine.

1039
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm not paying for it. I'm living. You don't have

1040
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: to pay for it.

1041
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: Some cool.

1042
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: I've sent you to college, go have your college education.

1043
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so take me back to prior Pentatonics.

1044
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, right, So how we started? So I take

1045
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: that year off after my junior year to study Chinese.

1046
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Now the summer a.

1047
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: Year off of Yale, I can't have a problem.

1048
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: Well, because I had gotten a fellowship from Yale to

1049
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: be able to study for an academic year. So I

1050
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: did the LFE fellowship. I was telling you about twice,

1051
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: once for the summer and then one for the academic year,

1052
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: so we didn't have to pay a dome. So I

1053
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: finished that and then that summer. Funny enough, I bummed around.

1054
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything that summer before my senior year.

1055
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: I was living in China, hanging out with Chinese friends, traveling, like,

1056
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: no internship, no nothing. So a lot of people probably

1057
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: think you're you're wasting your life or whatever. I was like,

1058
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm living my life. I don't need to do nothing.

1059
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: But what I did do was I started studying this

1060
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: piece called Julio by a guy named Mark Summer who's

1061
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: part of the Turtle Islands Drink Quartet, And I started

1062
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: practicing that. And at that point I had felt like

1063
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: I had gotten enough skills to try to add beatboxing

1064
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: throughout a whole entire piece. Before I had just done

1065
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: like simple scales and beat boxing or an easy groove.

1066
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: And this is the first time where I said, can

1067
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: I do it throughout a whole piece? So I worked

1068
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: on that for the whole summer while I was in China. Yeah,

1069
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: I took a whole summer to do that, but then

1070
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: it took a whole year to perfect it, Like I

1071
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: did it throughout my whole campus. I did it a

1072
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: talent show.

1073
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: How long is it?

1074
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: Four minutes? It took that long because it was something new,

1075
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: like I could not figure out how to make it

1076
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: feel seamless, like I'd make so many mistakes while I'd

1077
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: be playing cello and beatboxing at the same time, Like

1078
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: like think about that, like trying to make that happen

1079
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: and work, Like, oh, it's just easy. You think it's

1080
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: gonna take me like.

1081
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: A mutt if it took this song. I don't know

1082
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: how you guys would feel about this, but like he

1083
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: brought his cell I did, and I would love to

1084
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: know what that would sound like after a year you've

1085
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: obviously perfected it. Sorry, we're gonna get like a little

1086
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: you want to get a little sneak people, We'll do it.

1087
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: We'll we'll bake it in. But I'll get to hear

1088
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: what real work sounds.

1089
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: I will.

1090
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: I will give you the four levels of cello boxing.

1091
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: Ill show you.

1092
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: No, you said the piece, yeah, I will is at

1093
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: the four levels of boxing or the whole.

1094
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: No, So I'm going to show you what it sounded

1095
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: like when I started off to finally get to that piece.

1096
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I'll just show you step because I saw that before

1097
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: I saw what on Like, No, I want to see

1098
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: the the final Yeah, okay, I can do that too.

1099
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: Is that is that?

1100
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: Is that horrible that I'm asking? I just want to

1101
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: see it because it's like if it took that long

1102
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: to learn it.

1103
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want.

1104
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: I want to witness greatness.

1105
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: That's all I will.

1106
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: Play you with. Slipping of that, that's easy, I get that.

1107
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, you are good, don't worry.

1108
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: Okay.

1109
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that long. It took. It took a

1110
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: year of performing getting comfortable with it before I felt

1111
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: like really really solid in that for.

1112
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: Me a year, meaning you played it every day.

1113
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: I played it maybe not every day, but throughout campus

1114
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: people would ask me the cool talent shows, I'd play

1115
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: it at those I would play it for. I actually

1116
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: use it for my audition for music school because I thought,

1117
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, I want to try this music thing for

1118
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: a little bit. Why don't I go to music school.

1119
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: But then what happened was my senior spring semester, I

1120
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: got nominated for a senior prize in the arts, and

1121
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: so I needed to show a portfolio of work. So

1122
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: I said, well, why don't I use this piece and

1123
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: show that to the arts committee. So one of my friends,

1124
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Jake Brewin, he filmed me playing this piece and he said, bro,

1125
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: why don't you put this up on YouTube? And I'm like,

1126
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: nobody cares. Nobody cares about this piece, Nobody cares about

1127
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: this kind of music. It's not what Jason Derula was

1128
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 2: popping at the times. It's not Jason Derulo is. It's

1129
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: just it's just a a jello piece, that's it. And

1130
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, but you have nothing to lose, and

1131
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: I was like, that's true. I don't have anything to lose. Okay,

1132
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: so you know, I recorded it, I put it up online,

1133
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: went to bed, didn't think anything of it. A few

1134
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: days later, my roommates knocked my door and they told me, yo,

1135
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: your video is number four on Reddit, and like, to me,

1136
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: I go, What's Reddit? I had no idea what Reddit was.

1137
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: I don't know where that is, Like what read? Who read?

1138
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 4: Who? Like what?

1139
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. But then the video is getting

1140
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands and millions of views, and I'm like,

1141
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: what is going on? Why is this happening. I'm just

1142
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: trying to graduate and literally at that time finished for

1143
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: my senior essay and like, I'm not thinking about all

1144
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: this stuff. Opportunities were coming. New York Times had asked

1145
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: me for the next Chullu beat boxing video you do

1146
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: we want an exclusive premiere, and I'm like, it took

1147
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: me a year to get the first one, so it's

1148
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: not gonna take you another year to get the next,

1149
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: Like like what like was not prepared, but that video

1150
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: got to the eyes of our friend Ben bram. Ben

1151
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Bram is the is one of the producers of Pentatonics,

1152
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: but he was also acer on the TV show The

1153
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: sing Off, and one of the acapella groups on the

1154
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: show sent him that video, say hey, have you ever

1155
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: seen this kid before? And my bandmate, Scott Mintioned Kersey

1156
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: had just joined together to form for this TV show

1157
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: and they had found a bass singer, but they had

1158
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: gone through four to five different beat boxers and they

1159
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: had not found the right person. But they were like,

1160
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: that's the guy. He sent it to them, like you

1161
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: need this guy, so they literally facebooked me. Scott facebooked

1162
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: me that Facebook. He facebooked me, He's like, bro, Loop,

1163
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: we just saw your video. This is dope trying out

1164
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: for this TV show. Don't know if you're interested in this?

1165
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: And I said no. I was like, this is not

1166
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: something I'm interested in. I've seen so much acapella. I'm

1167
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: acapella out. I don't want to do this. Oh yes,

1168
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: I said no.

1169
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: Did you even see their work?

1170
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: Not yet? So he sent me after that like, hey,

1171
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: I want to send you just a video of us singing.

1172
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: Just check it out. I know you already said no,

1173
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: but just check it out and see what you think.

1174
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Scott.

1175
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: Scott was Scott determined yet out this guy exactly. Scott was.

1176
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: He definitely did not take no. He was he was,

1177
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 3: he was, and he's still that way.

1178
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 2: He's still like he's determined when he wants something. But

1179
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: he sent me a video of them singing Telephone by

1180
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga. Okay song, it's a great song, and they

1181
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: were singing it for their high school show choir concert,

1182
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is actually a young yeah,

1183
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean they were younger than me, so when I

1184
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: was twenty two, they were eighteen nineteen at the time.

1185
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: So I see this video and I'm like, okay, that's cool,

1186
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: and he goes, can you just show us like a

1187
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: little like can you do a little just beat boxing

1188
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: by itself? So I sent I finished my last final

1189
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: and I sent a little video of me beatboxing to

1190
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: them through Facebook.

1191
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Even though you weren't still weren't interested.

1192
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: I still was. I was like, I was starting to

1193
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit more interested after you heard them,

1194
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: after I heard them sing. So I sent a little

1195
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: video of me doing this thing, and he was like, yeah,

1196
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: this is perfect. You should you should join us. And

1197
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, what is the audition? He goes, it's

1198
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: this date, so which is two weeks after I graduate

1199
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: from college. I thought about it, and I said, and honestly,

1200
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: my thought process was, you know what, I'm meeting new people.

1201
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to try music out anyway. It's like it's

1202
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: gonna be like a summer camp, because little music summer camp.

1203
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: And then where was this audition?

1204
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: Well, that audition, Oh, the audition for the TV show

1205
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: was in Los Angeles.

1206
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so you had to get on a plane.

1207
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: So what we did is that I paid for half

1208
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: the flight, and he asked his mom to pay.

1209
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 2: For the other half.

1210
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: M Scott, Yes, I like, Scott, get this.

1211
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: Exactly. Hey Mama, look, I don't know if it's gonna

1212
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: pay any divides, but like, look, I'm gonna ask this guy.

1213
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't know who he is. He could be crazy.

1214
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. So I graduated, and then two weeks later,

1215
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm on a plane. I get there on a Friday,

1216
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: and then I meet them the day before the audition.

1217
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: We practiced literally just the day before the audition, all

1218
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: five of us, and I'll never forget. We were all like,

1219
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: wait a second, this sounds good, like even me. Well,

1220
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: I said, I did not like acapella like point blank

1221
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: did not like it.

1222
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, this is that's how I feel

1223
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: sometimes like musicals. I'm not really a fan of them.

1224
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not a musical person. No no, no, no,

1225
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: no no. And it's so funny because I did musical

1226
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: like my bandmate's love musical. It's not necessarily my thing.

1227
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes me feel good that she would admit that.

1228
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll be fully honest.

1229
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: Now I did. I just did see a musical recently

1230
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: that I really did, like call no I did.

1231
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: This is the first one.

1232
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is kind of fly. It

1233
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: was Oh my gosh, it.

1234
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't Alicia Keys. Thing was no, no, have you heard

1235
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: about it?

1236
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: No?

1237
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: I actually did she have a musical like.

1238
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: A hell of a Kitchen or something, helles kischen.

1239
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know she did that. I think she did.

1240
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't know if she was in it,

1241
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: but she it was okay, go about it, yes, Okay, So.

1242
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: We do that, and I'm like, this is kind of fly.

1243
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: So then we do the audition the next day, and

1244
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the scope and the magnitude of the show.

1245
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: There were hundreds of acapella groups trying out from all

1246
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: over the country. I didn't know that. So I'm coming

1247
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: in blind, just live in my life. Because I was

1248
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: I didn't put any pressure on it. I was like, yeah,

1249
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in, live my life. Whatever. So we

1250
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: do the audition and I'll never forget. We do telephone,

1251
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: We do one of the song and they were really

1252
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: liking it. They said, can you improvise something for us

1253
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: on the spot.

1254
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm like a subway sandwiching.

1255
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: Literally kind of like that, like do you do a

1256
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: little jingle or do something?

1257
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: And we're like, we know, so, yeah, because you have

1258
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: to be in harmony and you guys have to like

1259
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: practice exactly.

1260
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. Somebody just said I think Scott

1261
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: a video of the audition tape, and he goes, I

1262
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: don't know how they chose it because we were terrible,

1263
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: like that part of.

1264
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: It, you guys, and we just met, you know what

1265
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, what do you mean?

1266
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: So anyway, I remember, So we finished the audition. I'm

1267
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: not thinking we killed it or didn't. I just like, cool,

1268
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: we did it. We go to Olive Garden immediately afterwards,

1269
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: because right, yeah, we broke it. We broke go to

1270
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: Olive Garden. We're sitting outside of Olive Garden.

1271
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: Scott gets a call and he's like okay, yeah, wow, okay, cool,

1272
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: thank you.

1273
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: We're like, what happened? Goes? We got on the show

1274
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, we're one of sixteen on this show

1275
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: was just sixteen groups. Like oh wow. So we're trying

1276
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: to figure out a name for the for for our

1277
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: group we called. We came up with Pentatonics and they

1278
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: were like, that's a terrible name.

1279
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hard name.

1280
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: That's a hard name.

1281
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: How would you come up with that? I thought you're

1282
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna say we were looking at Spooner was.

1283
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: All right, no, no. So so we came up with

1284
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: the name because there's a scale in music called the

1285
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: pentatonic scale, and it's a five note scale that is

1286
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: used in all different types of music. And because of

1287
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: how diverse we were and we love all types of music,

1288
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: we thought that could be a really good thing that

1289
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: represents who we are. And that was all Scott. He

1290
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: learned that in theory class. I was just I'm along

1291
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: for the ride. Okay, yeah, I was along for the ride.

1292
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Speaker 2: I was like, cool, sounds good to me. Exactly how

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: spelling though, right, And it's funny because they were like,

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: you guys should call it yourselves Fifth Harmony, and we

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: were like, whoa, yeah, exactly right, there's already a group

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Speaker 2: now called that. There another name was like Plead the Fifth.

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Speaker 2: It was bad. It was bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that guy exists, just to save the little

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Speaker 1: bit of savings he did.

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Speaker 2: He did, Okay, So that's how we formed.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful story. For those of you guys that

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I met Kevin like twenty years ago, over

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01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. He didn't even know who I was

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01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: because I was telling Kevin. I remembered him because he

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01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: was so remarkably talented, and I saved his number on

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: my phone. And I have this role with my cell

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: phones because I do actually have a lot of people's

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01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: numbers on my phones. And you know, when you transfer phones,

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01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: they don't always transfer the numbers over. That's true, and

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01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: so I keep all my phones. I have a cabinet

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: that has like ten iPhones and it's serious, yes, because

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: everyone's in iPhone. It's a lot androids, all of them.

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: Because I had learned that whenever I transfer phoned, they

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: don't always transfer, and sometimes I may be looking for

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: XYZ's contact and I'm like, I know I have it,

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: maybe three or four phones ago, I have the number.

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01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: But ironically, by the grace of God, Kevin, I promise you,

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01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: like I'll have like, let's just use Tom Brown or whatever.

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: It'll say Tom Brown, Tom Brown, Tom Brown, Tom Brown

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01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: on my phone, but none of them will actually have

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: the number or the email. But I think on yours,

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: did I have your email and your number?

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: Maybe?

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01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: But I saw that I had looked, and I know

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: Lie had his number in my phone. I called it.

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Of course he didn't and whatever, and I left this

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01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: voice like I know you don't know me or you

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01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: may not remember me, but we know somebody that I

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01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: was lucky enough that we knew a'm mutual. But I

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01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: co called, I co called and a cold email, and

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: somehow we almost didn't work it out because of scheduling,

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01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: and then we almost didn't work out again because of

1335
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: Kevin's Teeve is very bulletproof.

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: They are thorough.

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01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: They slipped him off the email like he was like,

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I'm like, yo, they told

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: you off that email was like, I know you think

1340
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: this is how it's going on, but this is how

1341
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: it's really going down. And I was like, oh oh.

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: So I went to Todate's and really thought like, oh,

1343
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: this interview may not happen, but you always come prepared.

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna dress my best, I'm

1345
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna do my best, I'm gonna show up. I'm not

1346
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: even gonna tell Trevor the producer that this may get canceled.

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01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, I'm probably gonna have to

1348
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: pay him for his time. So I was like, I

1349
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: wonder if you would hear me, let me get away

1350
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: with not paying him today. Probably not gonna happen, but

1351
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: just a case cause you know, if talent cancels, I

1352
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: still got to pay and so but I'm so thankful.

1353
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: But one of the things I wanted to share with

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: you guys is, like Kevin and I were talking earlier,

1355
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when you watch your art history

1356
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: and you see the talent and you see what goes

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01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: into it, It's like, I don't think you can really

1358
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: fully put it into perspective if you don't really know

1359
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: the person, you don't get to see their growth. And yes,

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01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: I remember Kevin, he was younger than me, but very talented.

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: And I remember just being like, Yo, this this kid's different,

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: and I followed him on, like if it was socials

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01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, I always made sure to follow you. And again,

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01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of hip hop, so you know, you

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: bring cello to a beaten just uniqueness. I just was

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: always a huge fan. So I think it was LinkedIn

1367
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: or somewhere one of your socials I started seeing like

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Kevin's doing stuff, you know, And

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01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: so I followed you and it's just crazy to see

1370
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: your journey up close and from when you were like young,

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: and to know that you didn't give up, you know,

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: because if you did give up, and if you didn't

1373
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: take Chinese right, we may not be sitting here, you know.

1374
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: And I don't go to the doctor that often, so

1375
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: we probably would have never seen each other.

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: Yo, that's funny, Oh my gosh.

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: Would have never happened. So but thank you for honoring

1378
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: your parents and respecting your parents and giving homage to

1379
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: your family and you know, staying the course, because because

1380
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: you do that, you know there's gonna be other immigrant

1381
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: kids of immigrant children, immigrants, black people, brown people, and

1382
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: other people that because you let your light shine. They're

1383
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: able to do the same. So you know, even just

1384
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: this interview gives me like another week before I quit.

1385
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: I wake up three days from now and be like,

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01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: I quit. But no, I think it's really important that

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: we share these stories. And I'm super thankful that she

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: showed up. Super thankful on many levels. I did not

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01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: think this interview is gonna happen. And I'm glad you

1390
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: responded to my email. Got a job, man, you said, yeah,

1391
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: Trevor got paid today. I was sitting there like, I called, well,

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: I was sending your team emails like and then I

1393
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to pay Trevor.

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: I didn't get those. No, we wasn't.

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: They was taking No. I made sure that we responded

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: and copied you on the ones today because I was like, well,

1397
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be like, this is in my schedule. Of course,

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: we had to try to manipulate it. But I thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: I am going to this is very terrible of me,

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: but I want to take advantage of having Kevin in

1403
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: the studio, so I will be having him just play

1404
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: a little something, which, by the way, his team did

1405
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: not approve he ain't bring no challo over there.

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01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I didn't even really know,

1407
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: so I'm glad to bring it.

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted to see your talent and see

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: the growth, and you know, I want to see what

1410
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: a year's worth of work looks like. So I'll record

1411
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: it on my iPhone and have my team bake it

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: in so you guys could enjoy it too. But thank

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: y'all for tuning in. Please go check out Dawn have

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: a misfit Yes out now anywhere and enjoy enjoy that.

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01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: And if you're going through a breakup, you know, hallayu ya.

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: Peace, don't think I don't think about you.

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: No peace. For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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