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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. Its July twenty first, and we

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Speaker 1: have just lost theo Huxtable. Welcome to this shocking, surprising,

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Speaker 1: sad episode of Amy and TJ Robes. We, like everybody else,

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Speaker 1: just getting word of this a short time ago that yes,

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Speaker 1: Malcolm joel On Warner, who played theo Huxtable, has died

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Speaker 1: at the age of fifty four.

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Speaker 2: It's shocking doesn't even begin to describe it. I think

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Speaker 2: group just grew up watching Loving maybe had little crushes

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Speaker 2: on theo Huxtable and fifty four.

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Speaker 3: It's just way.

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Speaker 2: Too soon to be gone, and it's just so sad

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Speaker 2: how it all happened. It was an accident, It was

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Speaker 2: on vacation.

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Speaker 1: So can I ask you that first? When you first

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Speaker 1: heard fifty four, my first thought was, wow, did I

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Speaker 1: miss Had he been sick?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, you think cancer, you think heart attack. You know,

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Speaker 2: at this point, when you're in your fifties, it's too

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Speaker 2: young to go.

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Speaker 3: By natural causes.

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Speaker 2: But you're thinking, yeah, there must have been some disease

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Speaker 2: we didn't know about. There must have been some sudden

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Speaker 2: medical emergency that must have happened.

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Speaker 3: No, in you immediately.

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Speaker 2: Start googling, you start trying to look. I would never

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Speaker 2: have anticipated or thought that he would have drowned. And

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Speaker 2: that is the word we are getting that he was

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Speaker 2: on vacation with his family in Costa Rica and he

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Speaker 2: got caught in a rip current. And you know, as journalists,

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Speaker 2: especially morning television journalists, we talked about rip currents. I

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Speaker 2: feel like at least twice a year every year we

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Speaker 2: had reporters out there showing folks to swim parallel to

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Speaker 2: the coast and not try to fight it. But when

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Speaker 2: you're stuck out there in the ocean. We were just

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Speaker 2: in the ocean a week ago, and I always think

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Speaker 2: about it, what would happen if And I always tried

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Speaker 2: to tell my kids, fight the urge, to fight the current.

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Speaker 2: You gotta let it take where it's going to take

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Speaker 2: you and then you can get out of it.

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Speaker 3: So it's so sad. It just seems so.

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Speaker 2: Unnecessary, as all accidents are, and as most tragedies are,

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Speaker 2: but this one just hits you in the gut, and.

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Speaker 1: It's not People pass every day, people lose people that

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Speaker 1: are close to them, And we are being impacted because

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Speaker 1: of our relationship with him from a show. So people

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Speaker 1: pass and one death isn't more tragic than another. But

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Speaker 1: for some reason, with him at fifty four and this,

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Speaker 1: there's some part of you that say, not like this,

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Speaker 1: like this is not like this. We lost theel like this,

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Speaker 1: And again we have an emotional connection to him, both

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Speaker 1: of us still as children, yes, were fans of this guy.

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Speaker 1: And to think now at fifty four he's gone, it

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Speaker 1: was something about it that just didn't seem and it's

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Speaker 1: just life didn't seem right, didn't seem fair. All he's done,

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Speaker 1: all he's contributed, that it has to end in some

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Speaker 1: almost freakish accident with his family on vacation.

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Speaker 2: I think, look, as you point out, all deaths are tragic,

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Speaker 2: no one.

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Speaker 3: More than the other.

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Speaker 2: However, this does hit home because I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: when you get to a certain age, when you start

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Speaker 2: seeing your peers pass away or folks who you thought

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Speaker 2: were you know, that were a part of your lives.

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Speaker 2: I mean theo Huxtable and the Cosby Show that was

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Speaker 2: appointment television Thursday nights, growing up all through the prime

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Speaker 2: of my middle school and high school years. And he

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Speaker 2: had such a life force behind him, that smile, that energy,

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Speaker 2: that laughter, he just he embodied.

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Speaker 3: He really was just a joyful person.

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Speaker 2: His energy came through I didn't know him personally, but

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Speaker 2: like I did, and I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: So many people in our age group felt like they

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Speaker 2: knew him. You actually had the honor of meeting him.

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Speaker 1: And what you describe what the greatest compliment If somebody

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Speaker 1: you see on TV, you meet them in they're the

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Speaker 1: radiance and energy. I got to meet him because of

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Speaker 1: work I did with BT back in twenty twelve, and

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Speaker 1: when he's seven, eight years older than.

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Speaker 3: I am two years older than me, So yeah, twn

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Speaker 1: But I think I have this right. He is. His

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Speaker 3: It is August eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: I saw it, so I always remember that. But I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at this guy and we're standing there talking on

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Speaker 1: all in because this is theo hostable like, what this

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Speaker 1: guy meant to my upbringing to see like I see

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Speaker 1: my family middle class, right, But I lived on a

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Speaker 1: certain side of the tracks in West Memphis, Arkansas, and

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Speaker 1: the majority of my black friends lived on the other

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Speaker 1: family on TV that's living a life that, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: not the same as a lawyer. And but to the

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Speaker 2: Looked like me, a professional, middle upper middle class black

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Speaker 2: family who had all the same issues, the ups and

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Speaker 2: the downs as every other family, regardless of color. That's it.

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Speaker 1: As a kid, I didn't That didn't make sense to

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Speaker 1: me at the time. I didn't figure that out. But

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Speaker 1: because that was me and that was my life. That

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Speaker 1: was my family. We're sitting here as we we have

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Speaker 1: old episodes of Cosby show playing in the background right now,

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Speaker 1: and I said, to you, what the actual hell that

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Speaker 1: this show is forty years old? The episode we're watching,

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Speaker 1: and it is funnier than anything we see on TV today.

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Speaker 1: I know it still Lands.

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Speaker 2: And I think about myself watching this show as a

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Speaker 2: white girl in Middle America. I was living in Saint Louis, Missouri,

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Speaker 2: think I knew really any black people. I didn't have

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Speaker 2: that experience. But I watched The Cosby Show and didn't

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Speaker 2: think of the Cosby's or THEO or all of Rudy.

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Speaker 2: I loved Rudy, but I didn't think of it as

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Speaker 3: That was what was so cool and special about the show.

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Speaker 2: THEO was the He was that silly, goofy teenage kid

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Speaker 3: So it was just we saw grow up.

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Speaker 1: He was awkward trying to be cool. Yeah, everybody related

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Speaker 1: to what we saw on screen, and it didn't. This

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Speaker 1: not it wasn't and it was a special show in

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Speaker 1: that way. He's played such an important role in it.

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Speaker 1: He was such a part of our lives. And to

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Speaker 1: think now fifty four years old, and I said to you,

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Speaker 1: and I've said this too many times on podcasts robes

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Speaker 1: I meant to reach out. It's huxtable Malcolm jamal War

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Speaker 1: I met him but twelve years ago. But we just

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Speaker 3: You've exchanged numbers, you just checked in on each other.

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Speaker 1: I picked up my phone and I said, what was

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Speaker 3: You're not a big guy, cloud guy, not a big guy.

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Speaker 1: But it's one of those things. I hate it. And

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Speaker 1: I keep doing this and I keep saying and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna keep saying out loud, folks, if somebody crosses your mind,

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Speaker 1: There's no way we would ever think Malcolm Jamal Warner,

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Speaker 1: somebody that crossed your mind won't be available tomorrow to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me this just pretty quickly after we

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Speaker 2: found out that he had passed, and you said, you're

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Speaker 2: never gonna believe this. But I broke my own rule

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Speaker 2: because you have been talking about it. You've talked about

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Speaker 2: this forever, but certainly on the podcast. When someone crosses

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Speaker 2: remind me to text that person later today. No, stop

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Speaker 2: what you're doing. If someone crosses your mind, put whatever

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Speaker 1: All hear back. I told you I sent a message

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Speaker 1: to another actor. He's probably thinks I'm crazy. I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry it seems crazy, but you were on my mind.

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Speaker 1: There's somebody I can right now. If I give you

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Speaker 1: I meant to reach out to her, reach out to him,

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Speaker 2: I was walking back over here, I had to go

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Speaker 2: I said, Mom, I only have ten minutes, but I

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Speaker 3: I was like, life is crazy, but that's not an.

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Speaker 2: Excuse not to give you a call. And so I

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Speaker 2: And actually hearing this news, it actually makes me feel

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Speaker 2: emotional because you just don't know. And when some of

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Speaker 2: She was she's possibly getting hip surgery, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I need to call her right now.

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Speaker 1: Why does it take a death for us to get

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Speaker 3: It's a reminder.

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, we're all guilty of it, absolutely, but it

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Speaker 1: does it takes that sometimes. But Malcolm Jamal again to

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Speaker 1: explain it fully, I don't know if we have what happened.

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Speaker 1: He was on vacation with his family and Costa Rica,

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Speaker 3: They just had a chot he was at.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's pretty interesting, very very private in the last

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Speaker 2: like his early look, this happened so often with people

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Speaker 1: Everybody who right now we talk about and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: You're describing that, and you're describing exactly again, Folks, we

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Speaker 1: He always stole the scene. And I bet everybody listening

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Speaker 3: But it's so cool that you.

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Speaker 1: And you're making me think of Black Panther now the

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Speaker 1: Superman one year for Halloween with that plastic mass from

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Speaker 1: Walgreen strap and all. I'm sure I did. But still

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Speaker 1: Superman was never as relatable or something I could see

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Speaker 1: myself as, or anything I would ever look up to

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Speaker 1: as much as I looked up to a teenage Theo

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Speaker 1: Huckster's period.

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Speaker 3: All fictional characters, yep.

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Speaker 1: But there's just he was a bigger hero as a

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old black boy in that house to me.

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Speaker 1: And it's just I don't it's difficult. What was the

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Speaker 1: quote you said the other day? We use it on

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Speaker 1: Morning Run. It was from someone who was talking about

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Speaker 1: the mistake we make is forget. It was from Walt

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Speaker 1: Disney about the mistake we're making is that we grow up,

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Speaker 1: we forget about our twelve year old self.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I can sit here and admit that doing or covering

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Speaker 1: Black Panther when that movie came out, I get it,

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Speaker 1: and I get it, but I didn't put myself in

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Speaker 1: that twelve year old self. I'm sitting here now understanding

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Speaker 1: all of that better because I can see my little

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Speaker 1: self watching the Ol Huxtable.

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Speaker 3: And looking up to him the role he plays, So.

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Speaker 1: Just because he looked like me made a difference to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I had so many, so many.

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Speaker 2: Cosby Show episodes that I loved, But it's not even

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Speaker 2: a contest what my favorite one was because I watched

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Speaker 2: it over and over and over it. I tried to

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Speaker 2: also learn all the words to the song. But I

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Speaker 2: think we all remember when the grandparents were celebrating their

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Speaker 2: wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 3: They were giving they were so yes, I do so.

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Speaker 2: They were celebrating the grandparents anniversary, and so the whole family,

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Speaker 2: as a gift to the grandparents, decides to perform the

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Speaker 2: song by Ray Charles nighttime is the Right Time.

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Speaker 3: And they were on the stairs coming.

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Speaker 2: Down and they had a whole whole lip syncing performance

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Speaker 2: to this song.

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Speaker 3: And so it was THEO, Rudy, and Doctor Huxtable all

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Speaker 3: performing it, and Rudy was like, Babe, remember that.

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Speaker 2: But THEO also just hammed it up, coming down the stairs,

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Speaker 2: lip syncing the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: I was in tears laughing. I just thought it was honestly.

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Speaker 2: Reminded me of my family. My family very theatrical. I

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Speaker 2: know that's shocking to people, but I come from a family.

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Speaker 2: My mom is one of nine, and we would put

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Speaker 2: on performances and show tunes and we'd lip sink.

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Speaker 3: And we we'd actually have like choreography.

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Speaker 2: So when I saw this family, this Huxtable family doing

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Speaker 2: this as a gift to the grandparents, I just thought

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Speaker 2: that was something my family a hundred percent would do.

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Speaker 1: I went to one of y'all's funerals not too long ago.

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Speaker 1: It was theatrical even correct.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so I felt so that was my I

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00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: watched that episode so many times, and I would like

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Speaker 2: I could watch it right now and still laugh and

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Speaker 2: cry and applaud what they did and the joy that

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Speaker 2: was just joy and talking about just sharing sharing passions

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Speaker 2: like that and like songs and music like that as

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Speaker 2: a family, and I just I so related to it,

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Speaker 2: and I just love what Malcolm Jamal Warner brought to

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Speaker 2: the show and brought into our lives. And it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's incredibly sad, Like I could get choked up thinking

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Speaker 2: about how his life was cut so unfortunately short and

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Speaker 2: so unnecessarily so it's I have so much I have.

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Speaker 2: I just can't even imagine what it's like to be

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Speaker 2: his wife or his daughter and to have been there

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Speaker 2: in such a beautiful moment on vacation and to have

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Speaker 2: to leave without him, to leave, you know, not the

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Speaker 2: way you came.

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Speaker 3: And that's just just so unimaginable.

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Speaker 2: People don't go on vacation thinking about tragedy, thinking about

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Speaker 2: anything but having fun and enjoying one another. And it's

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Speaker 2: just so incredibly sad to think about how quickly and

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Speaker 2: unexpectedly things like this can happen.

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind, folks, as long as you can,

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Speaker 1: as much as you can, just this idea that you

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Speaker 1: somebody sitting next to you, or somebody you talked to yesterday,

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Speaker 1: or maybe somebody haven't talked to in a year. You

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Speaker 1: just assume they're going to be there tomorrow and they

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Speaker 1: might not be. But thank you, Malcolm Jamal Warner for

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Speaker 1: the time, for the attention, for the smiles, for the entertainment,

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Speaker 1: for the years. Really of what he contributed on a show,

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Speaker 1: Robes that has to go down. I mean, what numbers

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Speaker 1: do you want top twenty top fifteen, top ten, top five,

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00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: top whatever, ratings wise, but its impact, its influence. I

526
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: mean we're sitting here today, still forty whatever years later,

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Speaker 1: like crushed and crushed by the death of this man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so sad when you think about the

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Speaker 2: brilliance of that show and what it gave to us

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Speaker 2: into America, and so many of us I'll put myself

533
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Speaker 2: in this category haven't gone back and reflected or watched

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00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: it or watched reruns because of all of the controversy

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Speaker 2: and news about Bill Cosby. That it's almost as if

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Speaker 2: people don't want to revisit it because it's too hard

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Speaker 2: to watch. And I haven't watched it in years, probably

538
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Speaker 2: because of that. But to see it again and to

539
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: see how unbelievably good that show was and how so

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Speaker 2: many people who were part of that cast were just

541
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Speaker 2: brilliant at what they did and they changed so many

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Speaker 2: of our lives, and so to have it kind of

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Speaker 2: erased or forgotten seems incredibly sad. So I'm actually I

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Speaker 2: want to go back and watch that up thepisode with

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Speaker 2: the Grandparents.

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Speaker 3: I want to watch it right now.

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Speaker 1: You make a very good point and maybe this is

548
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: the thing unfortunately that gives us all and okay, a

549
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: past to go back and reflect and reflect positively because

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Speaker 1: we're thinking about Malcolm Jamal Warner and not looking at

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Speaker 1: the Cosby Show as something associated necessary with Bill Cosby. Yes,

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00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: look court and whatever all this happened. You can feel

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00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: the way you feel about him. That thing is a

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00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: legacy and it was brilliant and it is evident by

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Speaker 1: the numbers, and you just watch pick an episode, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just pick anyone randomly, and you'll see the brilliance of that.

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Speaker 3: You'll be smiling, and you'll forget about all.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this.

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Speaker 2: We've actually talked about doing podcasts about this because oftentimes

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Speaker 2: we just keep getting, unfortunately, more and more headlines about

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Speaker 2: can you separate the art from the artist? But this

563
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: was a This was a clear example of going back

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00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: and watching something that maybe we had avoided and going

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Speaker 2: back and watching it because of Malcolm Jamal Warner, and

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Speaker 2: then recognizing just how wonderful this show actually was and

567
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: still is and can be.

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Speaker 3: Despite all that we know.

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Speaker 1: That that's a good Yet you nailed it. This gay

570
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: was the reason to watch it because of Malcolm Jamal

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Speaker 1: Warner and not in spite of Bill Cosby, we finally

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00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: got the okay to watch the show as well. So folks,

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Speaker 1: hulcome tight reach out to the folks you love, but

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Speaker 1: for now we appreciate you listening to us. I'm t J.

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Speaker 1: Holmes them, I have mine. Dear Annie Robot, y'all have

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Speaker 1: a going