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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman. Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday, April seventh.

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Speaker 1: What a week it has been in the sports world.

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Speaker 1: Great Final four, college basketball in the rear view mirror,

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Speaker 1: and now we turn our attention to the NBA. We

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Speaker 1: will eventually get to the NFL Draft. I try to

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Speaker 1: sell Rob g on this whole Adam Schefter Mac Jones story.

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Speaker 1: He's not having it. He's not having it, and that's

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Speaker 1: fine because we're still a month out and I'm not

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Speaker 1: buying the mac Jones stuff either. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: spend twenty minutes taking a dump on Adam Schefter, who's

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Speaker 1: a really good reporter, and I'm I'm friendly with the guy.

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Speaker 1: Um I will say, we have a phenomenal interview coming up.

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Speaker 1: I told you guys yesterday we're gonna veer off the

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Speaker 1: beaten path for interviews now that March Madness has done.

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Speaker 1: So we have a guy coming up. I worked with

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Speaker 1: him at The Big Lead. He has worked at SI

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Speaker 1: dot Com. He worked for OutKick like Travis Site, Ryan Glassbeagel,

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Speaker 1: he covered sports media. He broke the Paul Pierce fired

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Speaker 1: by ESPN News this week, which was a massive story.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that. I gotta be honest, Rob G.

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Speaker 1: I know you love the NBA. I know you devour

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Speaker 1: all of Paul Pierce's takes. I mean I did. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think his firing was that pick of a deal,

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Speaker 1: but like it was massive on the internet. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean uh, and I'm glad that. Um. You will get

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Speaker 1: through in the interview later. But Ryan did point out

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Speaker 1: that to say that Paul Pierce was fired specifically because

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Speaker 1: of that video might be overstating, and considering he did

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Speaker 1: do a on air breakdown of an NBA game where

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Speaker 1: he thought the other team won. So if that wasn't

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Speaker 1: the tipping point, I don't know what may have been.

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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce. Um. I do mention later in the pod

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Speaker 1: and some of the my buddies who are listening to

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Speaker 1: this will know. Paul Pierce is known to play in

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Speaker 1: some very high stakes card games out here in l A.

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Speaker 1: I have not played in one of the games with him.

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Speaker 1: I've been invited. I heard the buy in, I said,

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Speaker 1: by the wife. Um, but uh, I Paul Pierce likes

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Speaker 1: to party. I'll just leave it at that. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go, let's get too quickly what I think is

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Speaker 1: probably the biggest story in sports. I remember College Troops

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Speaker 1: has done. Uh, we're not going to break down the

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Speaker 1: Masters for you with no Tiger Woods and ESPN drops

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Speaker 1: this top twenty five players under the age of twenty

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Speaker 1: five in the NBA story and of course Stephen A. Smith.

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Speaker 1: You know how the machine works, right, this is how

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Speaker 1: your sausage is made. Drop a list, have Stephen A.

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Speaker 1: Smith rant and rave about it without really arguing the

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Speaker 1: merits of the list. Hope it goes viral and get

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Speaker 1: people talking like that's what that's all you want right now?

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Speaker 1: And we talk about this a little bit in the interview.

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Speaker 1: The new media formulas. Can you get people talking on

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Speaker 1: social media? Which is really idiotic because it does it's

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Speaker 1: pretty clear it doesn't translate to viewers. So what's the

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Speaker 1: point at any rate? A top ESPNS top list was

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Speaker 1: Luca don Che. There's not gonna be any rument. Rob

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Speaker 1: and I will present our top five. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Rob has any beef with Luca don Che. Twenty two

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Speaker 1: years old m VP candidate was the preseason MVP favorite

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Speaker 1: MAVs are cooking right now. If you guys haven't been

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Speaker 1: I Rob, you can't push back on Luca possibly at

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Speaker 1: sounds like there may be some disagreement. To listen, I

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Speaker 1: thought there was a case for Jayson Tatum at two. Yes,

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Speaker 1: with Zion Williamson at number two. He is twenty years old,

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Speaker 1: And yes it hurts that the Pelicans stink, but I

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Speaker 1: But I have a feeling Rob g Mike, Okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: I do not like that we're on the same page here.

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Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable that we're on the same page. Now,

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Speaker 1: And I like the book a lot, and no disrespect

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. Uh, It's okay, you can be wrong on

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Speaker 1: your um, you know, taking shots at Jamal Um. First

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Speaker 1: any illegal activities. But we always here with ESPN and

422
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Speaker 1: Disney that you're in a way more beholden to the mouse,

423
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Speaker 1: and they want um their talents to at least, I mean,

424
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Speaker 1: not necessarily live on the straight and narrow. But the

425
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: fact that Pierce shared this out himself, I think to

426
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Speaker 1: ESPN's bosses conveyed a lack of judgment. And then there's

427
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Speaker 1: just I mean other issues like you don't want to

428
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: speculate too much, but in that video, in his in

429
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: his subsequent um kind of reactions to the video and

430
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: getting fired, he doesn't seem that he is of the

431
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: complete straight mindset right now. And I don't know, like

432
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: go into whatever is going on in his life, but

433
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he is kind of primed for

434
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Speaker 1: all of his like professional work. And it was weird

435
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Speaker 1: like at ESPN, his role really for the last several

436
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: years was he would say dumb things and people would

437
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: react to them. And when your role is like saying

438
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: dumb things and you start to like slip in your

439
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: analysis from there, I think the ESPN probably wasn't enamored

440
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Speaker 1: with his work. Before this happened, and so it was

441
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: a little bit like the top of a pyramid. Yeah,

442
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: so I just looked this up as you were explaining it.

443
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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce made nearly two hundred million dollars as an

444
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Speaker 1: NBA player, And there is the legendary boxing quote about

445
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: it's tough to get up and grind when you're sleeping

446
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: in silk sheets. And you know, Paul Pierce is ridiculously wealthy.

447
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: What's he even doing on there? He? As you said,

448
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: every time I saw a clip of him, he was

449
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: totally mailing it in, like did he even want to

450
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Speaker 1: be there? Was this his way of maybe purposely getting fired?

451
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Speaker 1: Now I have heard out here in l A Paul

452
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Speaker 1: Pierce played in some very high stakes poker games, and um,

453
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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if that was a poker game, and

454
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Speaker 1: they just brought women to massage and day ants while

455
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: the poker was happening. But it almost seemed like, hey, man,

456
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm done here, let me go out with a bank. Yeah. Well,

457
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: it's uh, we're gonna get to this. And I don't

458
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Speaker 1: want to spoil the future of this segment, but in

459
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Speaker 1: this fragmented content universe, um, Pierce is making about a

460
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: million and a half a year according to Michael McCarthy

461
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: of Front up at Sports, which for Ryan Glaspiegel or

462
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 1: even Jason McIntyre, that's a lot of money. But to

463
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Speaker 1: your point, he made two or a million as a

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Speaker 1: player or whatever, after taxes, after agent, thees he's got

465
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Speaker 1: to have, if he hasn't squandered it, you've got to

466
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Speaker 1: think he's got a net worth of over fifty million

467
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Speaker 1: or so, just if you had a guest. But this

468
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: isn't a huge amount of money for his labor, and

469
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Speaker 1: so what might be like a lifelong dream for you

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Speaker 1: and I of being on the ESPN bumper coverage of

471
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Speaker 1: the n b A is not something that he for

472
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, was super intellectually stimulated by, but already with

473
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Speaker 1: him like an hour of him getting um let go

474
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Speaker 1: by ESPN and that news becoming public. Dave portnoy May

475
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Speaker 1: of Barstool Sports made public overtures for him. I don't

476
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Speaker 1: want to say what the brand is, but I had

477
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: uh company who's at the intersection of digital media and

478
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: gambling reach out to me and say, do you know

479
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: who Paul Pierce's agent is, with the implication being they

480
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Speaker 1: would like to hire him for some type of like

481
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Speaker 1: gambling affiliate role. And so there's all different types of

482
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: sports media employers right now where his authenticity would not

483
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: need to be bottled up as it clearly had to

484
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Speaker 1: be at ESPN with the way that things team to

485
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Speaker 1: an end. That's so funny that, um, some gambling executive

486
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Speaker 1: out there thinks, hey, let's hire Pulp Pierce. He'll drive

487
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Speaker 1: people to gamble like like any faith, like any fans

488
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Speaker 1: are are clamoring for Paul pierces take against the spread

489
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Speaker 1: in a game Like that's just well, it's regional. I mean,

490
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: like in Chicago for example. Um, there's a book that

491
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: uses like Devin Hester as an endorser because he is

492
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Speaker 1: this legendary former Bear. And so I'm not totally up

493
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Speaker 1: on when legal sports gambling is going to like Massachusetts,

494
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Speaker 1: where Pierce might have some influence, but like, there is

495
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a strategy, and I don't know how successful it's going

496
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Speaker 1: to wind up being. Getting these local athletes who fan

497
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Speaker 1: bases gravitate towards as ambassadors for your brand. I'm sure

498
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Speaker 1: it sounds good on paper. Hey, Devin Hester one of

499
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Speaker 1: the great returnment in history. Let's have him talk about

500
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Speaker 1: our brand. How many times has Devin Hester talked about

501
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: gambling in his life? You know, it's like again, is

502
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: he mean? It's like you and I have been fighting

503
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: this battle. We've talked about it on the air, on

504
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: your various platforms before, We've talked about it a lot

505
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: in private where the um, there's just like a piece

506
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: of the pie in sports media that is going to

507
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: go to former athletes and coaches, as these people who

508
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: have kind of expertise from their playing days and for

509
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, like executives think that what they say Carrie's

510
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: credibility and you and I can fight that until we die.

511
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Howard Costell complained about this in his book. Um he

512
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Speaker 1: called the word he used was jock accracy and he

513
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: um he said, like, how many times are we going

514
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: to be subjected to the same worn out romides of

515
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: these athletes and here we are thirty five years later

516
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: talking about the same thing. Yeah, I mean, there's no

517
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Speaker 1: doubt about it. Debt. And if you look at the

518
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: last twenty years in sports media, Okay, what TV shows

519
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: have popped and who has been at the center of

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Speaker 1: them other than t N tease, you know, Shoulder programming

521
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: with Barkley and Shack and Kenny Smith. Every other show

522
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: has been a non athlete behind it. But whether it's

523
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Speaker 1: p t I, Stephen A. Smith, Skip cow Heard, like

524
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Speaker 1: all the shows that have kind of popped. And again

525
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about like daytime programming again, shoulder after and

526
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Speaker 1: before a game is a little difficult. But Ryan, would

527
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Speaker 1: you want would you disagree with that? Yeah? I mean,

528
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Speaker 1: but we're talking about Pierce. She was on the bumper

529
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Speaker 1: programming and they're you know, I don't think he was

530
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Speaker 1: making a big impact there. And if you had a

531
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Speaker 1: dollar for every NBA player who hasn't worked out on

532
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: ESPNS NBA studio shows over the last twenty years, you

533
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: might have about and Andrew Jackson in your word. So, um,

534
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Speaker 1: the I understand your point and I agree with you,

535
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Speaker 1: but I think it's boring if we just agree with

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Speaker 1: each other all the time. So I mean other bumper

537
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: coverage where the athlete is made a difference, like I

538
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: think on Fox NFL Sundays, there's a lot of internal

539
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: research that shows that Terry Bradshaw has been a big

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Speaker 1: driver of why that show has been number one for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years or however long Fox Sports has existed.

542
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: So there are some like you mentioned Berkley and Shack.

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00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: There are some that move the needle and create legitimately

544
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: differentiable programming that draws an audience. But I also agree

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Speaker 1: with your broader point that UM, I think that it

546
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: is certainly can be overvalued in the industry having been

547
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: a star player without kind of regard of whether that

548
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: star player is going to be motivated to prepare and

549
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: bring something that you're not gonna find anywhere else. I

550
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: should amend the statement and say, UM week day shows,

551
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: UM TV shows that you actually have to tune into

552
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch. Uh, you know you're right,

553
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, tremendous that shows great, It's been awesome. Tom

554
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Jackson had a good run the lineback with the Broncos

555
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: with Chris Berman back in the day. And I think

556
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: before and after games you can find success. But I

557
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: guess the tougher one is during the week. And by

558
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Speaker 1: the way, Ryan, you know this, like all these shows

559
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: during the week help steer eyeballs to the games, Right,

560
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Speaker 1: That's why they created these shows to to generate more

561
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Speaker 1: eyeballs and ultimately it ends up putting more money in

562
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Speaker 1: the pockets of the players. Right, because it's TV deals

563
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Speaker 1: the um. I mean, I guess the one example if

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Speaker 1: we're playing Devil's Advocate that I can think of is

565
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Speaker 1: Shannon Sharpe. Um. You almost don't even think of him

566
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Speaker 1: as being one of the four or five greatest tight

567
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: ends of all time, multiple times super Bowl winner when

568
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: he's on Undisputed, but he is. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that like that just shows kind of Um, he's really

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00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: the lone example you can find of a former star

571
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: athlete carrying one of the not carrying, but being a

572
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Speaker 1: major contributor day in day out to one of these

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Speaker 1: daytime studio shows. Yeah, he would actually be the blue

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Speaker 1: blueprint for how to do it because he's hilarious. He

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Speaker 1: he does a lot of funny stick and you know

576
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: he's got like the horse's head, the goat head or

577
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and you know, the liquor and the cigar,

578
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: like he has made it entertainment. And I guess a

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Speaker 1: lot of the other guys that you watch on these shows,

580
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: these athletes, it kind of kind of mail it in, right.

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like, Hey, I made a lot of money

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Speaker 1: playing sports, and I know sports, so I lean on

583
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Speaker 1: and lean on my old stories and I've worked with

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, sat at the desk, and yes,

585
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: at the beginning, you're totally in awe of what Ray

586
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: Lewis is saying. You're like, Wow, this is tremendous. This

587
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: guy is good, and you know there are moments that

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00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: they have. I I just I don't know when you

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Speaker 1: when you see the Paul Pierce News and then you see, oh,

590
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: NBC gotta lock up Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. Somebody's

591
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Speaker 1: got to get him. What about this guy's post um

592
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: sports career? And I don't know, Ryan, do they really

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Speaker 1: move the needle that much? Romo has done great on

594
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Speaker 1: social media, but is he driving more eyeballs to CBS games?

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Speaker 1: Are you tuning into a CBS game because Romo is

596
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Speaker 1: calling it? Um? You know John Skipper who was the

597
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: former head of ESPN, he's now UM running a media

598
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: company with Dan Lebotard, and Dan did an interview with

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Speaker 1: him about a month or two ago, which is like

600
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: a really expansive four part interview on his time running

601
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: ESPN and all of these different kind of business uh

602
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: situations that arose. And one of the things he said

603
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: was that there's never been any evidence that the people

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00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: who are announcing the games do anything to attract or

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00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: detract viewership, and so it's a it's an interesting thing

606
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: where UM CBS, you mentioned Romo, they paying They're paying

607
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Speaker 1: him like twenty million dollars a year. He's probably making

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Speaker 1: more there than he ever made as quarterback of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Hudways, and UM on one hand, he Kim and

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Speaker 1: Jim Nance, who also just signed a very rich new

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Speaker 1: deal for an estimated or reported eight figures annually. If

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Speaker 1: they were replaced by I don't know, I an Eagle

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Speaker 1: and Boomer Assissin. Is there different viewership when it's like

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs playing the Baltimore Ravens, when we've got Patrick

615
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Mahomes versus Lamar Jackson. I think the answers probably no.

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Speaker 1: I think that the athletes on the field are the

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Speaker 1: ones who drive the engagement. But on the other side

618
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: of the coin, if you're CBS and you're gonna be

619
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Speaker 1: going from paying the NFL one billion a year to

620
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: like one point five one point six billion, you want

621
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Speaker 1: your crown Jewel Sunday Afternoon property to really shine because

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Speaker 1: it's a big window into your whole brand as a

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Speaker 1: media company. With the amount of resources that you're pouring

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Speaker 1: into these NFL rights. So to answer your question, I

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Speaker 1: can see why, um, the these networks follow over themselves

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00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: define the proverbial next Tony Romo because there are intangible

627
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Speaker 1: benefits to it. But that's what those benefits are intangible.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the counter would be a, hey, you've

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Speaker 1: got the Crown jewel, and instead of spending twenty mill

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Speaker 1: on Romo, you could easily get by spending seven mill

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Speaker 1: on some other guy. I don't think Boomer Sissen is

632
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Speaker 1: the guy personally, I'm not. I don't think he's very good.

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Speaker 1: But whoever you want to put in there, and then

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Speaker 1: you take the other twelve mill and so surround your

635
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: the rest of your product, which is vastly inferior. When

636
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: was the last time you turned on CBS Sports Network,

637
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, other than March Madness. I never go to

638
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: the CBS Sports website. Ever. I was in a couple

639
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: of bracket contests, Like I just find it a little silly.

640
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: But this comes to another point that I want to

641
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: ask you about. Is the whole idea of winning social media.

642
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, the funny thing with NBA trades are you

643
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: don't actually have to get better. You just have to

644
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: get more draft picks to make everybody on social media

645
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: right on their blog and say this team won the trade.

646
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a guy like Romo an addition

647
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: of a Drew Brees, Hey, we won social media. Everybody

648
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: likes these guys, they say cool things. It's a win.

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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I mean with Brees that one is a

650
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a head scratcher to me because you

651
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: could watch um interviews with Tony Romo when he was

652
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: a player and think to yourself, Oh, that guy is

653
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: going to be a good announcer. He speaks with zest.

654
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: You can tell there's like kind of multilayers to his thinking.

655
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm not calling Brees dim, but I am saying that

656
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I never saw him demonstrate in an interview that he

657
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: was like thinking in second derivatives and communicating in that

658
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: according way. Yeah, it's almost like they want Breeze to

659
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: read plays the way Romo does. You know, Um, And

660
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: that would be my guess, right, because that's the thing

661
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: that's new and cool is that, oh Tony Romo was

662
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: calling the plays before they happen and then ha ha,

663
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: he couldn't read defenses to save his life. In Dallas.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I guess on some level, do

665
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: you kind of have to do something besides call the game?

666
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: Like you're right, Yeah, he's got a bunch of scenes

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: that are really funny. The ironic part about Romo and

668
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: is like, obviously he was a quarterback of the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and he was like a pro bowler, but he

670
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: did not have the type of on field winning success

671
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: that makes Breeze some marketable to NBC as like a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl winner and somebody who like I think his

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00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: team's like accomplished much more in the postseason than Romo's dead.

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Speaker 1: And instead of Romo convincing these networks, maybe we want

675
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: to go a tier below the super duper star so

676
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: we can find somebody that is motivated in a way

677
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: that like Paul Pierce wasn't um. Instead of doing that,

678
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: they go, okay, Breeze super Bowl winner, we have to

679
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: walk him up. Wouldn't it make sense? I mean on

680
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the surface, I know he's not doing it, but Philip

681
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: Rivers to me, would have been way better because he

682
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: has like what nine kids or whatever. There's no chance

683
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: he's doing that and going on the road. But for me,

684
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: a guy like Philip Rivers would crush it in the booth.

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00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: He was into trash talking um, very vocal, seems like

686
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: he'll say whatever, you're right, I'm with you. I don't

687
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Speaker 1: see the allure in Breeze. I want to quickly go

688
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: back to gambling. Ryan. You know, five years ago, if

689
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Speaker 1: you were to look at the opinion space, it was

690
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: starting to pop right, um FS one was emerging as

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Speaker 1: a player, and CBS Sports Network, NBC, NBC I think

692
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: went after like Michelle Beatle at one point, like everybody

693
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Speaker 1: was trying to get into the opinion space. Fast forward

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00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: to I know we're coming out of a pandemic, but

695
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: it feels like opinions getting left behind a little. And

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it is we're starting to skew more towards gambling. However,

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Speaker 1: the opinion shows, you put them on YouTube and social

698
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: media and you can get the long tail. You can

699
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Speaker 1: get a week or two and call those videos back up.

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00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: The gambling stuff is like, oh, the night of the game.

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00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Now that that that the content from that is irrelevant.

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00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Do you see gambling taking over the opinion space. Well,

703
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: it's going to take over the opinion space and it's

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00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: going to continue to do that for the near term,

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Speaker 1: which I'll define as the next three four five years,

706
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: because right now gambling is only we go in about

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00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: a third of the US, maybe a little bit less.

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Speaker 1: It's on the horizon and getting legalized in New York,

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00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: but at the moment it's not in the four biggest

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Speaker 1: states in America, which is like New York, California, Texas,

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00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: and Florida and so um. As long as these books

712
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: are expanding into new territories and battling each other for

713
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: market share, I think that there's going to continue to

714
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: be a lot of resources poured into gambling. Now what's

715
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: less clear is what happens when there's federally legalized gambling.

716
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: It's in every state and every kind of new sports

717
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: gambling customer has ever has been captured, and now it

718
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: becomes about retention instead of acquisition. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it looks like once it becomes a mature market

720
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: place like it is in Europe. But I think that

721
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: that's going to come a time where the people who

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00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: are like truly valuable at driving engagement within gambling ecosystems

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Speaker 1: are going to be worth their weight in gold, and

724
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Speaker 1: there's going to be data on who did not deliver

725
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: those referrals in that retention and those people are going

726
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Speaker 1: to have to pivot again. Interesting, So how do they

727
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: do that? You know, you can quantify it. It It sounds

728
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Speaker 1: like in the gambling space driving referrals, but how do

729
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: you quantify it in the opinion shows. Well, it's gonna

730
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Speaker 1: come down to multi platform video views because the cable

731
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: TV industry is going to be in long term structural decline.

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Speaker 1: It's lost about of its subscribers over the past decade,

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Speaker 1: and the rate hasn't slowed at a point where I

734
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Speaker 1: thought it was that we it's not gonna go away completely.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have ESPN, We're gonna have Fox. You and

736
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Speaker 1: I are going to be cable subscribers until cable is

737
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: completely dead because we need it for live sports. But

738
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: um there it is just going to be a continued

739
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: trickle from cable to various digital and over the top platforms.

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00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: And the people who can either drive subscriptions to an

741
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: exclusive platform because they made their name, like let's say

742
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: Woes or Schefter, wanted to start a sub stack and

743
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: instead of seeing their scoops on Twitter, you've had to

744
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: pay six bucks a month for it on sub stack

745
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: to see it there, Um, how many people could they get?

746
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: Not as many as see them on ESPN or see

747
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: them on Twitter, but they're directly monetizing it. So there's

748
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be value for people who have such a big

749
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: individual brand that they can get people to pay them

750
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: directly for it. And then there's going to be people

751
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: who are very smart. Okay, I'm gonna make a video

752
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna distribute it on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch,

753
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: platforms that we don't even know about yet. I'm gonna

754
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: do Clubhouse, I'm gona do everything. You're gonna be everywhere,

755
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: and you're gonna aggregate the biggest possible audience that you

756
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: can and then you hopefully that's big enough that you

757
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: can sell advertising based on it. So it'll be every

758
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: individual hustling their butt off as opposed to the days

759
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: where your dad and my dad probably worked the same job,

760
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: like twenty five years thirty five years. Now, everybody's going

761
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: to be on their own island. Yeah, I mean, and

762
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna there's gonna be um platforms competing with each

763
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: other for these influencers, Like you see Twitter putting out

764
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of like a sub stack clone product where they

765
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: want to keep the people who are big on Twitter

766
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: in Twitter instead of sending them to a different subscription platform.

767
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: And like you see all like Spotify is trying to

768
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: get into live audio to compete with Clubhouse, and so

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00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons, like Spotify bids so

770
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: much for the Ringer is to take this content and

771
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: make it proprietary to their own platform. So it's going

772
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: to be a push and pull where the platforms want

773
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: to keep as much of the creatives work in there,

774
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: and creatives have leverage of Okay, Spotify, I know what

775
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm worth. If you don't pay me this, then I'm

776
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna go to Pandora or Serious or Twitter whatever instead.

777
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: But that's the thing in sports. The platforms are not

778
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: paying people, are they. Um well, they like the Ringer

779
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: paid Simmons a nine figure buy out to make as

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00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: much of their their content proprietary Spotify. All the guys

781
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: under Simmons, they're not getting paid by Spotify. Um no,

782
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: they're getting Spotify pays Simmons, and then I mean they

783
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: are getting paid by Spotify because now they're they're Spotify employee.

784
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Simmons is the manager, but he's no longer owner of

785
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: the ringer, So like, that's why drive. So let's take

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Speaker 1: a guy like Ryan Rissolo. Let's say if a hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand people download his podcast to Spotify, pay per the

788
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Speaker 1: download or they paying him a salary the way that

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00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: you know ESPN pays a salary, CBS pays people a

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00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: salary or is it per download, meaning like, hey, you're

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Speaker 1: a monster, you're a juggernaut, We're gonna pay you for

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00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: every listener you get. I don't know the answer, but

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Speaker 1: I would assume that he has some type of hybrid

794
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: contract where he has a base and then if he

795
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: hits certain download metrics, he gets bonus as with the advertising. Right.

796
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, because if he hits a certain amount of downloads,

797
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: that means a certain amount of people are subscribing to

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00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Spotify premium where there's no ads, and it means that

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of people are downloading and hearing the

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Speaker 1: odd supported version um and so between that he's more

801
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Speaker 1: valuable to the company and they want to incentivise him

802
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: to drive as many downloads as possible. But I don't know.

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00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: That's just what I would assume as a way that

804
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: would work for both sides. So when you look at

805
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: a Facebook and a Twitter. Um, you know, I don't

806
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: care if you've got five million followers, it doesn't really matter.

807
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: You're just helping their platform, You're not. I mean, I

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00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: guess you could say you're helping yourself by building an audience.

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00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: But the only way to build that is to monetize

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00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: it with, like you said, a sub stack or a podcast.

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00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: But then you've still got to go on Twitter to

812
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: get the people. So ultimately, yeah, but Twitter is launching

813
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: their own substack competition in house where you make um

814
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Speaker 1: premium product for put for paying subscribers, and that they're

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Speaker 1: they're like basically trying to replicate substack within Twitter because

816
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: they recognize that, um, they want the people who have

817
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: big brands on there if they can figuring out a

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00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: way to work with them to keep their audience in

819
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: the platform. I feel like Instagram does the best job

820
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: of that. That's another reason I've gone what much less

821
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Speaker 1: on Twitter outside of the big games and over to

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00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Instagram because you can get stuff from Instagram. People want

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00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: to partner with you on there, and Twitter is just

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's one of the worst platforms. Again.

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00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: You know, you build up a large audience. That's great,

826
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: but ultimately does it get the advantage of Instagram over

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Speaker 1: Twitter is that, um, they have an algorithm that optimizes

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Speaker 1: what you see based on awaited interest in it, Whereas

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Speaker 1: if you're on Twitter, it's pretty chronological and everything except

830
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: for like the most like ridiculous viral tweet like my

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00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: tweet that peers have been fired, goes away in fifteen minutes,

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00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: never to be heard from again, Whereas on Instagram, if

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00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: you sign in a couple of times a day, you're

834
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: going to see the information from the people who you

835
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: want to see it most from. All Right, he's Ryan Glasbiago.

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00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, what why do you have

837
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: your Twitter name as sports Rappaport. I have an idea,

838
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: but tell the audience it's rough for R A O RT,

839
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: which um kind of like if you and I I

840
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: think I hope that the audience thinks we have good rapport,

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00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: which means we're talking to each other well and like

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00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: having a smart conversation between two people. And so that's

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00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: I guess. I wanted like my Twitter to be a

844
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: smart conversation with me and my followers, But you're right,

845
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I probably should change it to our glass Peagle at

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00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, it's funny because I I did, you

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Speaker 1: used to have a blog by that name. I did, Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Uh, and it's really it's a creative name.

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Speaker 1: And uh obviously it's you know, you're smart. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it hits the the the the masses

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Speaker 1: on social media, like, I don't think they get it,

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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I should change it. I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if I can change my handle

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Speaker 1: and keep my blue check mark. I think if you

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Speaker 1: change your handle, you might lose that bummer. All right,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Glass Peagle good stuff. He covers the media, fall

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Speaker 1: hit him up on social media, ask him questions. He

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Speaker 1: knows everything, all right, Ryan, have a good one man,

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Speaker 1: all right, Thanks Jason anytime,