1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of your 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Trends and Neighbors. Because that's a show that's happy. It 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: is a show. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: My name is Jack. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: That over there is Andrew. 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Do what what's it going? 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: What's going on? 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: I'm not as much watching Trends or Friends and Neighbors 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 3: as much as I'm just non stop watching Sinners every 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: second of Yeah, you're coming up on your fourth viewing, 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: it's going to be it's a it's a wee bit 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: too much, but it is. 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: It's very good. Every time I'm enjoying, it. 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: Gets better and better. I think it gets about the same. 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 3: But I've not hit diminishing returns for me personally yet. 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: So we'll see. 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Are you going with different people like spread like Johnny 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Appleseed style? 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I've gone. I've gone. Yeah, different people every time. 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Saw once in the Imax, seventy millimeters at City Walk 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: and then once at you know, no specific shade to 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: the projectionist at album draft House, but a not as 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: good looking print at Alamo. But the thing to be 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: said about Alamo draft House and the movie Sinners more 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: movie Sinners. It's a kind of a good movie to 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 3: see when everyone's like a wee bit drunk in the theater. Yeah, 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: it's a it's a good rowdy movie. So I've heard 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: it's rowdy and fun like that. 29 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: People being like I hear this is like cinema and 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: like sit down and like like get ready for uh, 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: but that's the thing a hard time at the movies. 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is fun as hell. 33 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's attracting the cinema folks, but it's 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: it is actually just like a really fun. 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil the thing that is not 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: really in the trailer, but it's not really a huge spoiler, 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: but I will just say it's a yeah, it's a 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: it's like a rowdy experience. I'll do those spoiler very 40 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: very mild spoiler alert is that the the music is like. 41 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: A huge great part of it. 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, nice, that's that's a good the best kind 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: of spoiler. 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: I don't want to over I don't want to say 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: anymore to when I first thought, I. 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: Was like, what the fuck? 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fuck crazy okay cool. And then Friends and 48 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: Neighbors is a show that I'm aware of. It's John Ham. 49 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: It's looks like some manner of suburban on Wei. Yeah, 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: and I've heard it's giving Draper, it's it's taking John 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: Hamm back right to his comfort zone. Yeah, in a 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: way that people seem to be enjoying. 53 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: What I will say, is it the show. I've only 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: seen a couple episodes. I went to a screening thing, 55 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: so that was a little like colored the take on it. 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: But I think I think my take on this show 57 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: is that if you really wanted mad Men's season fucking 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: like forty five, just imagine. 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: Like, what would Don Draper be doing in the MONERYR two. Yeah, 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: that guy up to. 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: It's it's pretty it's pretty much that. Again, you know, 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: depending on it's exactly that if you if you like that, 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: if that sounds appealing, you will like it, and if 64 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: it doesn't sound appealing, you won't like it. 65 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: Nice that sounds appealing to me. The other thing that 66 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I've heard from people is like, again, it's kind of 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: like the Center, like don't go in expected expecting actually 68 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: more more than the Sinners thing. People have been like, 69 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: this is very disposable. It's not a thing you're gonna 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: be like. It's not mad Men in the sense that 71 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be like repeat viewing Prestige TV. It's 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: just like kind of a good time. 73 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: I maybe just have a different take on mad Men. 74 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: So you think you think mad Men is more disposable, Yeah, 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: then I think we all found I just I'm very 76 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: very very much pitching this. I would say as if 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: you liked, if you wanted forty more seasons of mad Men. 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: You will really like this. Nice Yeah, and that just 79 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: is what it is. 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: John Hamm is dishonest? Is that is that what I'm 81 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: to understand. 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: It's honest, a wee bit tired to spite all his riches, 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: just spiritually exhausted. And I will say it is it 84 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: is also as someone who is a steered off a 85 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: little bit but had it was definitely I know more 86 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: about watches than I should. There's it's a real it's 87 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: not it's a watch guy show. But also yeah, again 88 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: the sort of like, yeah, it really tells you what 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: kind of watch guy you are, because it's it's just 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: like tacky rich guy watches in a way that I'm like, Okay. 91 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: It's like the premise is he's just like a rich 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: guy in a rich suburban neighborhood and then starts like 93 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: robbing his neighbors. Yeah, essentially, Yeah. 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's it does seem like there's more 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: to it. But that's fun. 96 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: I like, that's that's plenty intriguing for me. I'm in. 97 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of larceny, a little lot of drinking, 98 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: a lot of staring off into the middle drinking. 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: Pretty pretty solid. 100 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: Chin. 101 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah's a TV show. Yeah, what is your like? Number 102 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: one show? You're Andrew. For listeners who are new to 103 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: the show, Andrew is an accomplished TV writer. 104 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: Accomplished is strong but thank you. The number one show 105 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: I have going on right now now that I'm saying this, 106 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: I think I've said this on Daily's like Cheist, But 107 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: I still am. I loved and I'm a little upset 108 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: that this is so far my show of the year 109 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: is Common side Effects. Not that it's not that it 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: shouldn't be, but it you know, I was a little surprised, 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: and I was resistant to watching it in the first place. 112 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cartoon and those are your children exactly. 113 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also like the specific kind of like 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: because Common Side Effects is about this like kind of 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: like hippie white guy who finds like a mushroom in 116 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: the Peru. 117 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: I believe that, like. 118 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit like like the kind of 119 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: psychedelic enthusiastic white guy who I personally don't don't that 120 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: much time is the protagonist. So that was made me 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: a bit resistant. But the show was wonderful. The show 122 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: is super good. 123 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: It almost feels like it's thought up by that, like, 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like it's not. The execution is 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: much better than of one of those guys. 126 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: Person agains correct. Yeah, and it's and also that's a. 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: Me problem that I am just annoyed by that type 128 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: of dude. But I you know, I've just done too 129 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: many psychedelics in my life and I'm at I'm a 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: bit weary of some of those guys. Weary and weary. 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the show is really good and. 132 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: Those are fine. Yes, all right, let's get down to 133 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: brass tacks here, because there's important things happening right now. 134 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: The future of the Catholic Church is at stake. We 135 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: have an update, uh you know here where we're recording this. 136 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: We have just learned black smoke has come forth from booth. 137 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: We have no pope. No, it's a it's an official 138 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: no pope on the docket for today, so I will 139 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: be adjusting my spreadsheet thus sleep. But yeah, so this 140 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: is we are officially in conclave season where they're meeting 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: trying to pick a pope and then letting us know 142 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: via smoke signal. How that's all for them? It's clave 143 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: and time, clath and time. 144 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: Can I just say the did you did you guys 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: note already that the pope died and within like twenty 146 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: four hours Conclave moved to Amazon Prime. 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: I didn't we didn't know that. We did notice, we 148 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: did note that it was like skyrocketing up the streaming. 149 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying it's, of course, the evidence 150 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: is circumstantial, but you know that does mean Beats killed 151 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: pope profited massively from the death of the pope, And. 152 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: It's whatever you want, whatever conclusion you want to drop. 153 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we do know Bezos is tied to this way. 154 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: Some Jdvan's was one of the last people to see 155 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the pope alive. I'm just saying, it's it's a theory. 156 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: We're not Uh. 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't say that's impossible to say when it 158 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: would be irresponsible for us to discount this wonderful theory. 159 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: It's just called journalism. Folks do your own research. But 160 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: one of the fun details that has come out is 161 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: that heading into the conclave, the cardinals the people, you know, 162 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: the voting body, and like one of them will become 163 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: the Pope. So it's like, you know, kind of fun 164 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: that that's intuingly weird. It's like, I don't know, you 165 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: guys for me, Oh no, god, guy crazy you guys. 166 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: All guys, we're all guys here right right, yeah. 167 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Guys, And I do mean guys. The they a lot 168 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: of them, you know, have not this is gonna be 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: their first conclave, didn't know what to expect, and so 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: they're watching the move the Conclave awesome, which is it's 171 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's funny to me to imagine you know, 172 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: the future pope being like, what should I expect from this? 173 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: How do I play this? I know, I'll watch the 174 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: movie Conclave. 175 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's also just kind of nice because 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: like it's like, I mean, in you can't really call 177 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: it a civic duty, but that's probably the closest equivalent. 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: But Conclave is like their version of like like school 179 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: House Rock about how you cast a vote? 180 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: Right, just how else you gonna even look like, yeah, 181 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's there's just an anecdote on the 182 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: movie podcast blank Check that when Pope John Paul the 183 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: Second my pope when I was grown up, you know, 184 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: just an old sleepy mummy when he came to the 185 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: US in the eighties, he had his people reach out 186 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: to Michael Keaton's people and was like, a, you want 187 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: to like meet up Doug because the Pope loves Johnny dangerously. 188 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: The Michael Keaton movie that's like an Airplane style spoof 189 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: of I guess like old war movies. I don't know. 190 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: I yes, I think that's probably maybe I don't know, 191 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: but uh. 192 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: And Michael Keaton was like, I mean, can my mom 193 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Like I don't really, I'm not Catholic, but like my 194 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: mom is, and so he just like met with the 195 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Pope with and like brought his mom. But like the 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: Pope was just like, oh my god, it's Michael Keaton. 197 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: It's so funny that they're willing to I mean, because 198 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: like these people's powers rest on the like premise that 199 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: they're magic, and I am I am a little surprised 200 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: every time I guess that there's the B side is 201 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: like part of that magic is like being human or whatever. 202 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: But like I it is weird to me that like 203 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: like an organization like the Catholic Church allow the veneer 204 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: to crumble in this type of regard, like, oh, the 205 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: Pope wants to made showny dangerously. 206 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: The Pope is meant to be magic, you know else 207 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: who else has a little bit of magic? Nineteen eighties 208 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: Michael Keaton. Yeah, just like. 209 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: It's just weird to me that every time they act human. 210 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: But I guess that that I'm just not a believer, 211 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 3: so I'm sure that's appealing to believers in its own way. 212 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: He's just the popes. They're just like us. My favorite 213 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: magazine him Weekly, but the and the hymn is capitalized. 214 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: And then like when the Pope took it, like this 215 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: also stuck out to me when the Pope, woke Pope 216 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: made his trip woke for a pope, woke Pope made 217 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: his trip to America, and like came to Philadelphia was 218 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: still so Catholic Philadelphia, Like churches there just jam packed 219 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: every Sunday. But Mark Wahlberg was the MC for the 220 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: for the event because and like he's not even associated 221 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: with Philadelphia. He's just like, you know, a Boston guy, 222 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: but he's I mean, I guess he's just like the 223 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: most the most Catholic Catholic celebrity that would be acceptable, right, yeah, 224 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: can you? Yeah? I mean he well, Mel Gibson also 225 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do it because he's he jumped off the 226 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: papal train. Yeah, he jumped off when they started doing 227 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: doing Mass in English. He was like, I only accept 228 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: a version of Catholicism where the Pope does the entire 229 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: Mass in Latin with his back to us, because we're 230 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: not supposed to even be able to see what he 231 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: looks like. But anyway, I just like to imagine the 232 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: cardinals like cramming for the conclave by watching Enclave, like 233 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: a kid watching to kill a mockingbird the day before 234 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: he has to man in a court of. 235 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: Cramming, cramming for the conclave, Like oh fuck, okay, okay, okay, 236 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: be cool, be cool. 237 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: I can just watch. I can just watch Conclave. 238 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: I didn't read the thing because I assume they have 239 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: like a dossier. 240 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: You'd think of words. But I feel like there's also 241 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: some like just let the Holy Spirit guide you, my 242 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: brother type. Yeah you know that they wouldn't. There's not 243 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: going to be like a you know, step by step. Yeah, 244 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you know what. 245 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: Actually, that's I'm so naive for even saying that, because 246 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: like they just need votes and the people in power, 247 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: like the general elections are incentivized. The more ignorant the 248 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: electorate is, the better off. Yeah, that's are so they 249 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: don't want you don't know what to do. 250 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: By the way, there is a a bad guy emerging, 251 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: an antagonist emerging from this conclave, at least for me, 252 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: bad for a cardinal, that is, for a cardinal, bad 253 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: for a pope. Maybe there's this conservative German cardinal who, 254 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: in response to this news story was like, don't take 255 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: any of that seriously. It's not like the conclave is 256 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: not a power game played by stupid people looking to 257 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: manipulate each other. This guy Muller, German Cardinal Gerrard Mueller 258 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: is opposed to the previous pope's mercy before dogma approach. 259 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: So he's a dogma before mercy guy, which is wild. 260 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Like to just be my official position is I like 261 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: the rules more than I like like being nice to people. 262 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: He opposed Francis's decision to bless same sex couples to 263 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: allow communion to Divoor says, who remarry outside the church, 264 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: and also opposed Francis's concerns about migrants and the environment. 265 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Cool fun environment. 266 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: The odds are not great, right that he doesn't get elected. 267 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: We're in a uh, we're in a time, you know. 268 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: Like like highly conservative. 269 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: Germans never been more powerful. 270 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: Right as a political philosopher. 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: They're flying right now. They're doing not never, but it's 272 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: been a minute. It's been a while since they were 273 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: this popular. Yeah, he said. He hoped the other cardinals 274 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: would ignore Francis's mass media appeal and avoid the intrigue 275 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: depicted in the Oscar winning film Conclave, which is funny 276 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: because it seems like he's making a mass media appeal. Yeah, 277 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: and he's like grumpy because he doesn't. He's like, and 278 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: don't watch the movie where the conservative guy doesn't win 279 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: in the end. 280 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: That's so funny. 281 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: There's also a favorite details. Have you seen Conclave? Yeah? 282 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: Conservative for a pope is that One of the great 283 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: details of Conclave is that the shitty conservative cardinal who 284 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: wants to be pope is vaping the whole time. 285 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard about So. 286 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Makes me wonder, what's the black smoke? Is it just v. 287 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: Do you think you've got to imagine. 288 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: The white smoke is just like the biggest. 289 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: They It's not that they haven't decided to do the 290 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: pope is, but someone's got to get that pal really, really, 291 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: you know, this pulling cotton. 292 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: That's right, all right, let's take a quick. 293 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,119 Speaker 1: Break and we'll come back and talk about Dora the Explorer. 294 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: And we're back, and Dora the Boy, who I get 295 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: most of my information about gen Z from, is teaching 296 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: adults about Sigma, which, you know, for people who aren't 297 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: aren't familiar, Sigma is like you know, the manosphere was like, yeah, 298 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: alpha's cool, but you know what's really cool Sigma a billions. Yeah, yeah, 299 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: it's it's like the higher level galaxy brain version of 300 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: an alpha male. Where. Yeah, but anyways, Dora took to 301 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: TikTok to. I bet I guess she's been teaching kids 302 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: parents phrases like it's giving and sleigh. So so that's 303 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: what it seems like. This is based on the idea 304 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: that like this is for people who grew up on 305 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: Dora and now have their own children. 306 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't, I can't. 307 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: I guess maybe are people who grew up on Dora 308 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: having kids now, I feel like they're not quite there, 309 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: is my guess. I'm just yeah, to me, my assumption 310 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 3: was like, first of all, I'll you know, as someone 311 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 3: who worked in social media for quite a long time 312 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 3: for the Umbrella Corporation that produces Dora the Explorer, I 313 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: just kind of feel like this is the type of 314 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: thing that was sort of pitched and it sounded great 315 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: to the like middle aged decision makers in this type 316 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: of situation. That doesn't that that they didn't really think 317 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: through the pitch. Although producer Brian is saying, and producer Victor, 318 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't know who's what everyone's job is. I'm I'm 319 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: speaking to familiarly. 320 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Brian is Brian the editor. 321 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: Super producer Victor. 322 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: Yes, they're they're they are confirming that this is for 323 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: people who grew up with Dora, but grew up with 324 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: Dora but also have kids now. 325 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Could make sense. Yeah, Dora came out in two thousand, 326 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: so this is. 327 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: This is just sort of like I mean, this is 328 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 3: just like a version of like Urban Dictionary for people 329 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: who don't have time on their hands. 330 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, it sucks, It's it's just like 331 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: the only issue here is that it is describing what 332 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: Sigma is in a completely value like value free way, 333 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: where it's just like, Sigma are like confident and cool 334 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: and well, not not explaining the like manosphere, not. 335 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: Even value free. 336 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: I think it's it's fully taking on the pitch from 337 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: from from Yeah, this is toxic. 338 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: We're just talking. 339 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: About being confident and doing your own thing. 340 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: Sigmas are cool, and then it like shows Nickelodeon characters 341 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: being Sigma. 342 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 343 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if nothing else, like calling the word 344 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: Sigma cool is a value judgment that firmly places them 345 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: on the side, right, Like, if you think Sigma is cool, 346 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 3: then you are in company with Nazis right. 347 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's big leap, but that is true. Unfortunately, Dora, 348 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: You're enough your kids, Dora. But yeah, I don't know, 349 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: it's just somebody. Yeah, it's it feels like it's just 350 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: a thing where they're like, this is internet speak and 351 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: we just yeah, we are translating internet speak and uh, 352 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, not taking aside as as mainstream medias want 353 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: to do. You know, we're not right, not left. We're 354 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: just teaching adults why their kids are calling things Sigma. 355 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Probably the executive you're describing's kid kept calling something like what, 356 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: here's one for you? 357 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that's what it is. Is 358 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: Like I think that, like, again, it's been a minute 359 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: since I've worked in for these folks, but my memory 360 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: and my assumption and I'm confidence saying this is that 361 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: like a lot of the decision makers in this situation 362 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: don't really different, like they still sort of just see 363 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: internet talk as an undifferentiated thing as opposed to like, 364 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: what part of the internet, what. 365 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: Does this mean? 366 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: Like it's just like like the phrase like oh this 367 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: is from the internet still has like a lot of 368 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 3: like internal power in traditional media, even though that it's 369 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: just like much more nuanced than that, Right, So yeah, 370 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: I think that's that to me is the things like 371 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: how this could this could happen non maliciously with just 372 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: like a hearty dose of of old media bubble combined 373 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: with age induced ignorance. 374 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see or maybe just or not. Yeah, maybe 375 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe this is just the direction they're going. I mean, 376 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: like that it does make it sort of like the 377 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: way that capitalism is just like we meet our audience 378 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: where they are, and every mainstream media article about men 379 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: under the age of like thirty is like they are 380 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: all right Nazis and the judgment free zone. Yeah, and 381 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: in fact we think they're great because we want their business. 382 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: They're cool. 383 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Finally, let's talk about a judge has allowed a 384 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: lawsuit to go forward over Burger Kings Whopper ads. Basically, 385 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: it's another one of these ads where it's like the 386 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Truth in Advertising where they were like these ads looked 387 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: great and these sandwiches look like shit? 388 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I is it? Okay? 389 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 3: How is media literacy so low that this is even possible? 390 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 3: Like what do you think an ad? Food in an 391 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: ad looks like? 392 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, it's I have had experiences where it's like, wow, 393 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: that actually like looks like the ad, and I knew 394 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: to be like that is crazy how much that looks 395 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: like the ad? You know that, I've never been surprised 396 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: that something that I got at a fast food restaurant 397 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: looks like shit compared to the picture. Yeah, maybe that's 398 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: my low expectations. 399 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: If you know, it tastes great no matter what, guys, 400 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: don't worry about it. 401 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by the White Bird speaking. 402 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: No just the concept of fast food. We're just like whatever, 403 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 3: like we have stock and just like the worst bleached 404 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 3: flat white flower or something. 405 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is. 406 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: I mean, I am curious because, like the rest of 407 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: the trends of the justice system are bending towards corporations 408 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: can lie as much as they want. Yeah, so I 409 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: am curious that it is a little bit. I guess 410 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: good that any truth in advertising is moving forward. Yeah, 411 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: I suspect this will there will be some way that 412 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: this is killed or probably more like there will be 413 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: sort of a false somewhat moral victory one on this behalf, 414 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 3: and then the industry will continue to do what it's doing. Yeah, 415 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: but this is how they can tell you that we're 416 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: fighting for that's right. This is just a little bit 417 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 3: of propaganda to be like corporations don't own us. There, 418 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: you guys are okay, you have free will, you're this 419 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: is this is okay, and it's gonna get better. Plus 420 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 3: we're looking into we don't even think that guy is 421 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: a fucking actual king. I don't think he has any 422 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: power at all. No, this is how this is how, Yeah, 423 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: this is how we underline that America, America the proud 424 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: and that we're we will depose the final King of America. 425 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: That's right. We won't have that monarchy here in the 426 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: free monarchy that we're moving towards. 427 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 428 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: And what a pleasure having you on Daily Zeit gees? 429 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Where can people uh find you? Follow you here? 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