1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome to the program. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: It's good that you're here. We're on every day from 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: one until four o'clock and if you miss anything after 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: four o'clock, we post the podcast same as the radio 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: show on the iHeart app. John Cobelt Show on demand. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Two runs of the Moistline in the three o'clock hour 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: three twenty and three fifteen, and we're going to open 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: up with the story that's been dominating the news for 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: the last week and a half. And there was a 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: strange moment last night on News Nation, the cable news channel. 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Ashley Benfield has a show and alex Caapriello, the reporter 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: who we've had on our show a number of times 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: in the last year, he was doing a report from 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the State Correctional Institution Huntington in Pennsylvania. That's where Luigi 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Mangione is being held as as presumably an extradition hearing. Well. 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: While Caprello Capriello was doing the report, inmates started shouting, 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna play you a clip of what it sounds like. 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: So this is a Capriello and Ashley Banfield, and you're 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: gonna hear the prison that they're they're speaking with prison 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: inmates here. 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: This is just from a few hours ago, and here 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: they are ten o'clock as promised they said earlier today. 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: Tell Ashley Banfield that Luigi is watching at ten o'clock. 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know that's just a hard roast 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: at this point because they're not near Luigi in any way. 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: Can I just ask the guys if they can hear 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: me right now to answer yes or no very loud? 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: Does Luigi have television in his single cell? 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: No? 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: They said no, Right, Obviously we have a little bit. 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: Of a delay that they're getting. 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: They're getting the questions and they're and they're giving us 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: the answer to you does not have Wow, this is 35 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: quite something. This is the strangest interview I've ever conducted. 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: Me too, Ashley. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, according to the Department of Corrections, he's 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: got his own solitary cell. It's not solitary confinement, but 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: he's by himself. It's not dorm style. I'm not sure 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: exactly what those guys got going on in terms of 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: a living situation. It sounds like they're all clustered together. 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting to see with the accommodations that they have. 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 5: They got their own light switches. 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: They're obviously watching TV past any sort of ten o'clock curfew, 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: you know. 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're doing this at this very moment. 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: All right, that's Alex Capriello, Ashley Benfield a News Nation. 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: We have Alex with us on the line. Now, Alex, 49 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: how are you hey? 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: I'm doing great. 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: Well. That was probably a first hime. 52 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah it was. It was one of 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: the most surreal experiences I've ever been a part of. 54 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: So they had the TV on tune to your channel 55 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: so they could hear you and Ashley talking and asking questions, 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: and then they were shouting the answers. 57 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, really ironic in a way. We're fighting every single 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: day to get more and more TVs to have News 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: Nation on their table provider, and then meanwhile we find 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: out the Huntington inmates most certainly have News Nation as 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 4: one of their options on their personal TVs inside their cells, 62 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: and so earlier in the day, you know, those guys 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: are yelling out their windows at me as I was 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: doing other you know, TV hits for other shows other 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: than Banfield and and so it kind of dawned on me. 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: I think these guys are watching me live, and so 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: they were yelling out and you know, saying. 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Hey, good job, Alex. 69 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: And then you know, they mentioned Banfield specifically out the window. 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if that's maybe one of their favorite 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: programs on News nations. So then when ten o'clock rolled 72 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: around and there I can look up and it's nighttime 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: now I can look through their windows and see Ashley's 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: face on them the TV. You know, that was confirmation. 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, they really are watching it live. And 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: that's how this you know, organic live interview with hundreds 77 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: of inmates played out. 78 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Ten o'clock seems late for inmates, isn't Isn't there a 79 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: curf there? 80 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, trust me, I've been covering law and order 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: for quite some time now, I've you know, ever prison 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: is different, but I was certainly shocked that they have 83 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: TV privileges past ten o'clock. 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: What kind of state prison is this? I mean, how 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: what kind of are we talking about? 86 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's maximum security. It's especially for 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: Luigi Mangoni right now. But it's Pennsylvania's oldest operating prison. So, 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: I mean there's questions still that remain about, you know, 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: the conditions in there and how things are going. But 90 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: we know at least some things are true that some 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: of these single cells, which is the cell block that 92 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: was the one that was yelling out at us, they 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: have single cells, mostly one inmate to a cell, sometimes too. 94 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, they got their own TVs. They clearly they 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: have their own lights, which is that they can turn 96 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: on and off. Towards the end of that live shot, 97 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 4: was that really remarkable moment when all of these inmates 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: were flashing their lights at us, showing, hey, we hear you, 99 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: we're watching you, and we're speaking to you. 100 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Now, Luigi's conditions sucked. That's some of what they were 101 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: shouting at you. 102 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I you know, we got to take it 103 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: with a grain of salt. I mean, Luigi is in 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 4: a completely separate, you know block as these guys. I'm 105 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 4: told that he's in a single cell far away from them. 106 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: So when they say, you know, Luisi's condition suck, or 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: Luigi says hello, or Luigi's watching news Nation, I think 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 4: that's just them. Happened a good time, But you know, 109 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: certainly it's it's entertaining for them and you know, if 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: nothing else, it made them feel like they're a part 111 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: of society again, interacting with people on the outside. 112 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: So, Menjon is stuck there until the next hearing. Any 113 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: idea when that's going to be I imagine being an 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: extradition hearing. 115 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: Yes, well, so the extradition initial extradition hearing happened already. 116 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: That was earlier this week. That's where we saw Thomas Dick, 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: who's been retained as the defense attorney for Manngioni, as 118 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: contesting that extradition. There have been some separate motions that 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: have been followed by the defense attorney, and I believe 120 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: those have been scheduled for December thirtieth. Earlier, when he 121 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 4: had his first appearance, which was Monday, they set the 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: preliminary hearing for December twenty third, So I got to 123 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: check the court records to see if that hearing is 124 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 4: still on. But we have at least a few hearings 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: coming out at the end of the month. 126 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: All right, Well, good job. That was entertainment. Usually you 127 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: don't get from a straight news cast. Alex Capriello News Nation, very. 128 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: Good, Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it, thanks. 129 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: For coming on. They were also complaining that the food 130 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: is terrible those prisoners. The prison menu includes fruit grits, 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: scrambled eggs, and something called porcupine meatballs. 132 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 5: I have no clue what those. 133 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: Are made from actual porcupines. 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 5: Though, you know, I'm sorry now this is just me 135 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 5: talking out loud, But when you're in prison, I didn't 136 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 5: really know that you have a choice of what's good 137 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: and what's bad. 138 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know, it's not supposed to 139 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: be a good time, right, they're always complaining about the food. 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: It's like, here's a tip. Don't commit any felonies and 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: you won't have to eat any of the food. 142 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 5: You can choose your own food, you know, not behind bars. 143 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: The rest of us figure it out. It's like, you know, 144 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, right, you probably run across a 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: story about how terrible the prison conditions are, and as 146 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: a kid, you go, I don't want to be any 147 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: part of that. 148 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 5: I mean, look, fruit, How can they be upset over fruits? 149 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Gritscre porcupine meatballs is made from ground beef and rice. 150 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: Well you would like that? Yeah, I could live on 151 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 5: this porcupine meatballs. 152 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm never sure what grits are. What is that? 153 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 5: Okay, I know what they are, but I was on 154 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 5: a Google it just to make sure. I'm saying we went. 155 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: We were in North Carolina this summer and it was 156 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: on the menu at the hotel and I was looking 157 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: at it. I think I saw it. It looked like 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of goop. 159 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 5: Grits are a type of porridge made from coarsely ground 160 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: dried like corn. 161 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Just the word porridge. Yeah that No, No, I'd rather 162 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: have the porcupine meatballs. I'd rather have the Now if 163 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: eventually he'll get extradited to New York and he may 164 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: end up getting transferred to Rikers Island to New York City, 165 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: which is boy oh boy, This Pennsylvania prison is going 166 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to look like a four seasons hotel because Rikers is 167 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: really bad and really violent. One of these stories that 168 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: quotes Jean Burrello, who used to be part of the 169 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: mob and he spent thirteen years behind bars, four years 170 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: at Rikers. He said Rikers is the most dangerous prison 171 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: in America. He said, if Mangion is treads there, he 172 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: will face bad food, unsanitary conditions. You have to watch 173 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: your back every day. There's no structure. It's just complete chaos. 174 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: It's non stop stabbings and gang violence, where cops are 175 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: scared to come to work. It's a place you want 176 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: to avoid. And we're gonna hear, you know, probably hear 177 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: from Luigi's gaggle of his harem of young women. 178 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 5: Are they going to go visit them there at Rikers? 179 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: I mean, can you get visitors there? 180 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: A couple of them? Will that that Looney tune that 181 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: we played the other day where she went on for 182 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: about a mint and a half of But but they're 183 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna be upset that that Luigi's getting violated 184 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: in some way. It's like, hey, you know, don't shoot 185 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: executives in the back, you know, don't don't murder people. 186 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: Then you don't have to worry about getting attacked by 187 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: crazy lunatics. I mean that I've heard about since I 188 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: was a kid. I grew up in New Jersey and 189 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Rikers Island is an island full of psychotics. 190 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: Okay, didn't we do a story yesterday about a teacher 191 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: who was hired at some religious school who had been 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: to Rikers and they hired him because they wanted to 193 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 5: do the PC thing. Why they wanted to give him 194 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 5: a second chance, and then he had the child born. 195 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: He was at Rikers. 196 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: He was at Rikers as soon as he comes out, 197 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: gets the job at a school and he's soliciting naked 198 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: photos from the young boys and girls in class. Yeah, 199 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: elementary school. Yes, so that that's what she got. That's 200 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: one of the people they released. 201 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 5: She was a resident at Rikers. 202 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: Imagine the ones they don't release. Uh, well, we come 203 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: back there. There's a lot more about Luigi Benjio And 204 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: because they're they're they're looking into his his family and 205 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: and his background. What was he doing? It was gone 206 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: for about eight months. He dropped out of sight, didn't 207 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: speak to any friends or family. Parents especially mom, was 208 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: desperately trying to find him and where was he? What 209 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: was he doing? There's some there's a new information. It's 210 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating. He really was wandering around lost and 211 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: apparently developed a tremendous amount of anger. We'll tell you 212 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: all about it when we come back. 213 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 214 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 6: six forty. 215 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You can follow us 216 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: on social media at John Cobelt Radio at John Cobelt Radio. 217 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: All Right, so now there's been a few days a 218 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: week actually since this whole this event, well since the shooting, 219 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: and it's been what four days since Luis mang Luigi 220 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: Mangione was arrested. The media outlets have had a little 221 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: time to delve into his background to see how he 222 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: ended up, where he was and what the family's been doing. 223 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: He's been missing pretty much for eight months, and Kathy Mangione, 224 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: the mother, has been looking for him. He went off 225 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: the grid about eight months ago, missing in action, and 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: she was doing everything she could to find him and couldn't. 227 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: She was trying to live her life normally. According to 228 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal has a good story on this, 229 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: like the Saturday all right, the rest was Monday. On Saturday, 230 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: she had lunch at an Italian market with her friends. 231 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: The next day, she and her husband, lou they attended 232 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: ceremony honoring one of her brothers at their church in 233 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: Little Italy in Baltimore, and it was a huge family. 234 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the family photo, but 235 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean it looked like about fifty people in the photo. 236 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: He had sixteen aunts and uncles. Luigi Mangione because his 237 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: dad had nine siblings and they all had kids, so 238 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: he has dozens of cousins. You know, they had dozens 239 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: of kids and grandkids, and it's just a tremendous family. 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: And in one of the family photos you'd see Luigi 241 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: Mangione smiling in the back row. Everybody is absolutely shocked. 242 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: There is a man quoted in here, a family friend 243 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: named Joe Debasqually, and he last saw Mangione a year 244 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: or two ago. Depasqually has an Italian market and Depasqually 245 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: and his wife were so impressed with him and Luigi's 246 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: sisters when they were younger that they encouraged their own 247 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: children to be more like them. Oh boy, the kids 248 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: had that. Let me tell you. Kids hate it when 249 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: there's cousins in the family or family friends and they're 250 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: used as models. Why aren't you more like them? Woof? 251 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: But in this case it was Luigi who was being 252 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: idolized by the deepasqualies. Joe said, we always modeled our 253 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: kids on how they man Jones do. I drove my 254 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: kids crazy. They had plenty of money. Their home is 255 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: worth two million dollars. Which is a very expensive home 256 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: in the Baltimore suburbs. It's hard to it's hard to 257 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: understand that two million is expensive because here in la 258 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: it's not even a starter home. As of twenty twenty two, 259 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: his dad, Lou, and all nine of Lou's brothers and 260 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: sisters worked for the golf clubs and nursing home chain 261 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: that their parents, Nick and Mary had built into this big, 262 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: sprawling enterprise. One friend, Giovanna Blatterman, is that a name, 263 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: Giovanna Blatterman, sounds like a mixed marriage there, said, you 264 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: would not know they have money. They never flaunt anything. 265 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: But everybody in the family kept asking what's up with Luigi? 266 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: Where is he? What's he doing? Relatives were emailing many 267 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: of his friends, what do you know? Have you heard 268 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: from him? Nobody? They would post it online. He never responded. 269 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: And the mengi Oones are very prominent in the Baltimore area. 270 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: They're one of the most well known families. So this 271 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: has been a huge shock, and they're also appalled that 272 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: there are so many morons out there celebrating what he's done. 273 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: Now here's an odd little clue. After he had he 274 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: had two surgeries on his back. One of them did 275 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: not work, the second one did, and after one of 276 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: the surgeries, in July twenty twenty three, he left for 277 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: a trek around Asia. Well, this must have been the 278 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: surgery that worked. And there are photos shared by other 279 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: travelers that he met along the way. He also posted 280 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: some online and if you if you look, if you 281 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: look closely, there's a picture of his backpack. And the 282 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: book is a how to primer on traveling indefinitely. And 283 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: then he added some self help books to his reading 284 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: list on good Reads. One of them is Adult Children 285 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: of Emotionally Immature Parents how to Heal from distant, rejecting 286 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: or self involved parents. Well there's that that that's a 287 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: big clue right there, because it's clear that he felt 288 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: lost and he felt aggrieved, and you could see with 289 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: these parents running this big business empire. Oh, I don't 290 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: know how. I mean, I don't know how you can 291 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: do that when you when you have a bunch of kids. 292 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, somebody must have been paying attention. 293 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 5: But you can see how he kind of felt lost 294 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: in the crowd all. 295 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: These Yeah, the siblings, the ants, and the uncles. Yeah, 296 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you don't have a clear identity and I 297 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: imagine that the parents were task masters. I mean, this 298 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: kid was. And I've seen this happen because I've been 299 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: in the private school circuit on the West Side, and 300 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: some kids are driven by their nutty parents, and they're 301 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: going and going and going, and they get the grades 302 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: and they get the honors, and they get into the 303 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: big school, and they crash and burn. Sometimes they crash 304 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: at the school. You know, they have to come back home. 305 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: Some of them, you know, end up with some serious 306 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: mental problems, addiction problems, because there was too much stress 307 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: and too much pressure on them. And I'm not making 308 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: excuses for what he did. He ought to get the 309 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: death penalty for what he did. But what fascinates me 310 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: is how he goes from this happy, smiling guy that 311 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: everybody loved and admired into cold blooded killer. I mean 312 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: that it's a fairly quick journey. And I am forever 313 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: fascinating by the psychological profile of well, really everybody. I 314 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: always wonder how people became what they are, what they 315 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: were like as children, and why some people get derailed 316 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: and others don't. We'll do a little more when we 317 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: come back. The New York Times had some research now 318 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: that was a story in the journal from like the 319 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: parent's perspective or the family's perspective. What did they know, 320 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: what little clues that they saw. This one in The 321 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: New York Times is from mengi own's perspective in a way, 322 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: what was he thinking and doing? Because he traveled quite 323 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: a bit and he clearly was on some kind of 324 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: he was seeking something, and some were like, oh, oh, 325 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: this is really important. He was never a customer at 326 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: United Healthcare, so all the people are saying, well, you know, 327 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: you know what it's like dealing with insurance companies. He 328 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: was probably driven to it. You can't really blame him. 329 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: It's like, no, he wasn't. He wasn't driven to anything 330 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: but healthcare. He just picked them out because they were 331 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: a big company. But we'll talk about his physical journey 332 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: and his emotional journey that the time's uncovered. 333 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 6: Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI 334 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 335 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: They are crazy in San Diego County. The Board of 336 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: Supervisors is bleeping, effing crazy. They are declaring themselves a 337 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: super sanctuary county. They are not going to cooperate with Ice, 338 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: even to turn over to ICE prisoners that they have 339 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: in jail who've already been convicted, or prisoners who've been 340 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: charged for very violent, serious crimes. Illegal alien violent felons, 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: whether they're charged or convicted. San Diego County is not 342 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: going to cooper great with ICE. There can't be more 343 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: than five people in San Diego County who think that's 344 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: a good idea, but three of them are on the 345 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: Bord of Supervisors. Jim Desmond was the only no vote. 346 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Jim coming up. You people 347 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: in San Diego County, you got to do something about 348 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: that Bord of Supervisors. Those people are dangerous. They're out 349 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: of their minds. I mean, the whole country has woken 350 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: up to this, the nonsense of all these violent illegal 351 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: aliens that have stormed throughout the country, but not the 352 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: San Diego County Board of Supervisors. Geez, they're ahead of 353 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: like La and San Francisco on this one. All right, 354 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: So more on Luigi Mangione. Now, last segment, we told 355 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: you how what the experience was like from the family's 356 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: point of view, him being missing for eight months, nobody 357 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: could contact him, and then they get the news and 358 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: what the last week has been like. That was from 359 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal, New York Times has has has 360 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: spent a whole week reviewing records and messages that Mengoni 361 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: had had made online. They interviewed a wide range of 362 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: people who knew Mangion and so this is what they 363 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: came up with. They opened up with saying Mengeon had 364 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: had set off on a long solo trip to Asia, 365 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: and he stopped to record a voice message to send 366 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: to a friend that he had met while traveling. And 367 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: what he said in the message was, this is in April, 368 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: I want some time to zen out. I was gonna 369 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: soak in the hot springs, meditate, catch up on books, 370 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: do some writing. He left Hawaii by the way, like 371 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: like Hawaii wasn't relaxing enough for him, so he left 372 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: the country and went to when touring Asia, he had 373 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: been in Japan on a previous trip. Now he's going 374 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: to Thailand. Hey, you know his background probably by now. 375 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: He's valedictorian at an elite school in Maryland, computer science 376 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: graduate at University of Pennsylvania, got a master's degree pretty quickly. 377 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: But if you go through his writings and messages, you 378 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: see that he talks about his unbearable pain when he 379 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: went to Asia, he got angry at the modern Japanese 380 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: urban environment, saying that there was seemed to be nothing 381 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: but sex toys, automated restaurants, and a general lack of 382 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: natural human interaction. In other words, there were too many 383 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: sex toys being sold, which means people aren't actually engaging 384 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: in physical relations. There's automated restaurants, so there's no clerk 385 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: or waitress to talk to. And he said, this is 386 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: why there's falling birth rates, this is why there's a 387 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: lack of human connection. And this started feeding his anger. 388 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Remember he's reading Ted Kaczinsky too, and Kazinsky buried in 389 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: his manifesto was warnings even in nineteen seventy eight when 390 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: he wrote it about you know how technology is going 391 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: to ruin human society. 392 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 5: No wonder you're fascinated by this story because you you 393 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 5: were all into the Unibomber. I know he's your guy. 394 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: You know Bomber is not my guy. 395 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 5: Well, you obsessed. 396 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: I was fascinated by the story. Well he was a 397 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: son of Polish immigrants, I know. 398 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 5: But it's interesting how you've really I. 399 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: Was fascinated by him. Yeah, and you know who else 400 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: was my brother? 401 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 6: Oh? 402 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: You know Kazinsky had a brother. 403 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: Well, I know you remember Kazinsky's brother. 404 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: He's the one that turned him in. 405 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 1: But he lived underground while Ted Kaczinski lived in this 406 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: isolated log cabin right of Montana. Yeah, the brother dug 407 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: a big hole in Oklahoma. His roof was a storm 408 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: door that he propped over the dugout bunk. 409 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 5: I didn't know that. 410 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like Kazinsky was in, it was in the cabin. 411 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 412 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: The brother, David was his name, was down in the 413 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: bunker and not forever, I mean, eventually he came up. 414 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: But he started reading Kazinsky's manifesto because remember they published 415 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: it in the New York Times, and he was reading 416 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: it and he goes, oh, I know that guy. So 417 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: that's what was weird because my brother and I did 418 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: not talk about this, and my brother doesn't send me 419 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: many presents. 420 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 5: Does live underground? 421 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: No he didn't. No, he has the most conventional suburban life. 422 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, I know, I know you like to 423 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 5: be alone, so you do share. 424 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: See when I talk about this stuff, my wife gets 425 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: really scared. 426 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 5: I don't blame her. 427 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: She she goes, she gets very upset, and she goes, 428 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: don't talk about these things. 429 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 5: I'm a blame her. 430 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: The thing is there, there is an intersection here with 431 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: some of Mangione's observations and my observations, you know. He uh. 432 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: He also said he had brain fog that he'd had 433 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: since high school, and the disorientation used to be minor, 434 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: and now it was turning his life upside down. Apparently 435 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: he got lime disease at the age of thirteen, and 436 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: sometimes those effects fatigue, brain fog, pain, sleep disruption, tingling, 437 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: or numbness can linger long after treatment. He also had 438 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: an irritable bowel syndrome and something called visual snow, a 439 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: neurological condition where a person's vision is obscured by flickering dots. Now, 440 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: if all this is going on with him, I can 441 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: see why he's going nuts. His brain is fogged up, 442 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: he's seeing snow, he can't sleep, his bowels are irritated, 443 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: he's got this terrible, debilitating pain in his back. And 444 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: it talks about how it came to Santa Monica to 445 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: work a true car, which is the used car Internet. 446 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, Bob, it's a marketplace, and he was terribly 447 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: bored by the job, no kidding, And so that's when 448 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: he flew off to Hawaii and lived in that organized commune. 449 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: It was a co living space on the fortieth floor 450 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: of a Highwaii, a high rise near Waikiki. But he 451 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: had his own room, but there was a joint living 452 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: area and everybody went out surfboarding, and he tried that 453 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: one day and wrecked his back again. And so he wandered, really, 454 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, from Pennsylvania to Santa Monica to San Francisco, 455 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: to Hawaii to Asia. And I guess he was looking 456 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: around at the way human beings were changing, where people 457 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: were talking to each other less and less, they're living 458 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: entirely online. Oh what was one thing he said when 459 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: he went to Oh yeah, yeah, he goes, he goes. 460 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: He's in Japan. He went to Mount Olemine in Japan, 461 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: which is known for its tests of courage and also 462 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: for prohibiting women from even trying to climb it. And 463 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: he said, well, I need to stop getting distracted by women, 464 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: so he thought climbing the mountain was a good thing 465 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: to do. On his Reddit account, his last post, he 466 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: shared a video, and this was a particular Reddit page 467 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: dedicated to Kazinski and the post was video footage. The 468 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: title was streaming Overdose twenty twenty four, China, and it 469 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: showed dozens of people lined up along sidewalks live streaming themselves. 470 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: And that may have been the breaking point because after 471 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: he saw that, he posted it, and he never contacted 472 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: anyone else again, either online or in person. 473 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: How would that be a breaking point to do what 474 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 5: he allegedly did. 475 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: That part's not been connected yet, but it was his 476 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: breaking point where he no longer looks like he no 477 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: longer could handle the world anymore. He just couldn't couldn't 478 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: deal with where it was going. See. I think he 479 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: fancied himself as a modern day Kazinski, and he was 480 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: like a prophet. He's trying to tell everybody, we're going 481 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: to hell with all this technology. 482 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 5: Wait, would you you'd rather spend your life in prison 483 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: or be executed rather than deal with this. 484 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: Bad combination of intellectual brilliance and impulsive behavior. I don't know, 485 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't It doesn't quite make sense, doesn't. But he 486 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: was seeing things and that are true. We have we 487 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: have a bizarre society, but it's happened. I'll give you 488 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: an example, like I had one of these moments. 489 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: Do we need to worry about you. 490 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'd given up. See he wanted 491 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: to change the world. He thought there's a better world 492 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: for humanity. I don't think so, okay. I think we're 493 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: going to hell and we deserve it, and there's no hope, 494 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: so there's no need to go try to change things. 495 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: And all right. I'm driving. I'm driving with my wife 496 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: the other morning. We're in our neighborhood and there's a 497 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: woman and because there's cars parked on both sides of 498 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: the road and there's traffic coming, she's pushing her little 499 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: child in a stroller almost in the middle of the 500 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: road right like we have to ease to the left 501 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: to make sure we get around her. And she's staring 502 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: at her stupid screen while pushing the child. That's you know, 503 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm almost rolled down the window and say, what is 504 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: wrong with you? 505 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 5: Why didn't you? I would have done that. 506 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: Well, yes, you barge into r v's. We're strange people 507 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: are running around. 508 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: Yeah that I would have said, Hey, lady with a kid. 509 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: Really, I've seen a lot of that that. You know, 510 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: I used to be nanny's did that and it's like, 511 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: well they're nanny's, it's not their kids. So they don't 512 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: really care. I'm seeing mothers, like rich mothers around the 513 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: West Side, pushing their kids, looking at the phone the 514 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: entire time, pushing very slowly in the middle of the street, 515 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: cars coming both ways, totally oblivious. 516 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 5: Okay, I see that all the time and examples like that. 517 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 5: But it doesn't so it doesn't want to kill somebody 518 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: doesn't know. 519 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: You don't go shooting people. I'm just saying I kind 520 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: of connect with that spirit. You look around, you see 521 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: how people live. Now, it's just ridiculous. I get the 522 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: way they're hypnotized by. 523 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 5: This totally, but again, that doesn't equate to going out 524 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: and committing murder and ending. 525 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: Your life right much, and you shouldn't bang. 526 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 5: I know I told you that. I said I'm stupid. 527 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 5: I admitted that. Seem I can admit when I'm wrong. 528 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: And I'm admitting that there's there's no excuse for shooting people. Okay, 529 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: all right, I never advocated that. 530 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobbels on Demand from KFI AM sixty. 531 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: Coming up after two o'clock, We're going to talk with 532 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: Jim Desmond, the San Diego County Supervisor. San Diego County 533 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: has the distinction of being a super sanctuary county. They 534 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: will not cooperate with ICE, even if they have illgal 535 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: alien prisoners currently jailed in the county, even if they 536 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: have illegal alien prisoners awaiting trial on violent felonies including 537 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: rape and kidnapping and many other crimes. So that's Jim Desmond. 538 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: He's the only vote, only one who voted against the 539 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: super sanctuary idea in San Diego County. All right, we've 540 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: got a terrible story here about a man who's penis 541 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: was completely ruined. 542 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: What, yes, how it ruined? 543 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: Well, he's seventy two years old from New Mexico. He's 544 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: not been named. You'll see why. They ruined his penis. 545 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: And he's won four hundred and twelve million dollars. And 546 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: every guy's got to ask himself, if you could make 547 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: four hundred and twelve million dollars, would you ruin your team? 548 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: Would you trade in your penis for that? He went 549 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: to something called the New Male Medical Center. That's that's 550 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: not a good name, the New Male Medical Center. He 551 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: was sixty six at the time, this is six years ago, 552 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: and he felt very tired. He'd lost weight, and he 553 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: was misdiagnosed as having a rectile dysfunction, and they gave 554 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: him a five thousand dollars treatment program. 555 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 5: Well wait a second, how can you be misdiagnosed? It 556 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 5: either goes up or a dozen. 557 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is how it works. That's right. You do 558 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: know right away, Like if you're with somebody and it's 559 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: not going up. Yeah, if it's well, I don't know. 560 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: He may not have been the brightest guy in the world. 561 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: Five thousand dollars treatment program, and they decided they had 562 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: to treat his erectal dysfunction with injections multiple times a week, 563 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: and they also implanted a testosterone pellet. I guess they 564 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: thought that he was tired and losing weight, didn't have 565 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: enough testosterone, so they'd implant a pellet and give him 566 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: an injection. Maybe this would revitalize him. Medications weren't working, 567 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: so he came in for a follow up and what 568 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: they did is they did some kind of treatment and 569 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: he was sent home with a medically induced and medically 570 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: unnecessary permanent erection. Can they. 571 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I can't. 572 00:33:52,440 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: That's not something a wife wants to see, though, not 573 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: at age seventy two. And it's like, no, you got 574 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: to be kidding. 575 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 5: Your coworkers. 576 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: It wouldn't go away, so he had to have emergency surgery. 577 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: Now he's impotent, he can't have an erection, he can't 578 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: urinate standing up, and he has all kinds of scar tissue. 579 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: So he went to court and won four hundred and 580 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 1: twelve million dollars. 581 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 5: He deserves it. And the doctor who misdiagnosed yeah. 582 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: An idiot. New Male Medical Center. Debora Mark is live 583 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: in the KFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've been 584 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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