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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The reason I got to meet John Alexander is because

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Speaker 2: of UFOs. He was working with Robert Bigelow here in

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Speaker 2: the nineties and in NIDS and we got to know

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Speaker 2: each other. We've had some UFO adventures over the years,

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Speaker 2: and trips and controversies. The topic itself has had peaks

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Speaker 2: and valleys, as you know, a lot of interest since

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, the New York Times story, the media, Congress,

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Speaker 2: academics looking at it. But I think pushback was inevitable.

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Speaker 2: This Arrow report that came out a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: It sort of treated the subject like a magic wand

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Speaker 2: explaining why all previous UFO cases and investigations from earlier

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Speaker 2: government programs and whoosh, nothing to it. I don't imagine

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Speaker 2: you were surprised by that. I mean, the UFO public

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Speaker 2: is demanding transparency, We want disclosure. It's right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic, are you.

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Speaker 3: Not?

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Speaker 4: Muflitas, particularly right now the day to day stuff that's

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Speaker 4: just eating everything up. And from a political perspective, this

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Speaker 4: is an easy trade. I might mention, you know, I

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Speaker 4: friends with Chris Bledsoe and talk to him what's out yesterday?

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Speaker 4: And you know that's the one that keeps going. I

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Speaker 4: think the issue that I mentioned forward to his book

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Speaker 4: UFO God is it appears like we're talking about communication,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think that's the train Errow is on

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Speaker 4: a straight there. It seems to be, you know, very

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Speaker 4: straight materialistic view, and as we've discussed, I just think

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Speaker 4: that it's far more complex than that.

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Speaker 2: I should mention to our listeners. Your most recent book,

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Speaker 2: UFOs Myths, Conspiracies and Realities is a terrific look at

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Speaker 2: the big picture on this mystery. You know, the last

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Speaker 2: time I was at your house, it was with an

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Speaker 2: abduction research group and doctor Rudy Shield was there, Ray Hernandez,

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Speaker 2: and they were there to sort of share with us

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Speaker 2: their view that these abduction experiences are overwhelmingly positive, that

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Speaker 2: people who are scared have a reason to be scared,

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Speaker 2: but in the long run, it's a good thing. We

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Speaker 2: don't hear much about abductions anymore. Do you think they're

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Speaker 2: still happening? If so, why don't we hear about it?

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Speaker 2: And do you agree with this take that they're probably

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Speaker 2: for our own good.

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Speaker 4: Well as you know, Ray had done a huge study

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Speaker 4: literally thousands of people report. Again, now many of them

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Speaker 4: who said it was a positive experience did not say

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Speaker 4: that as their initial response, but that over time they

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Speaker 4: had sort of integrated the experiences and has seen it

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Speaker 4: in a broader context. Now he also included in that

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Speaker 4: looking at a variety of experiences from their death experiences

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Speaker 4: and other sorts of interactions along with abductions, and saw that,

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Speaker 4: you know, again the common factors in there. And the

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Speaker 4: question is, of course, you know, with anybody ever taken.

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Speaker 4: I think that again my views that these interactions do occur.

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Speaker 4: I am not convinced, on the other hand, that this

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Speaker 4: is et e little great guys from Zata reticularize up

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Speaker 4: and down to snatch people up. But again, we've had

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Speaker 4: reports of interactions between humans and sentient non humans and

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Speaker 4: including abduction kinds of things. For these interactions, but in

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Speaker 4: all cultures and for millennia, so it's not new.

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Speaker 2: Is it for their good or our good or both

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Speaker 2: or neither.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a very interesting question, and that the assumption

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Speaker 4: is it for good? You know, other mean to it?

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Speaker 4: Think I think we're going to get close to the answer.

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Speaker 4: And this goes back to some of leaving this customer

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Speaker 4: first hour, but looking at communication with you know, non

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Speaker 4: et hypothesis, but that these these kinds of interactions could

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Speaker 4: be you know, happening, and why they happen. I think

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Speaker 4: it's beyond our understanding at this point.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's take some calls. Joe in Modterey on the

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Speaker 2: Wildcard Line. Hi, Joe, welcome back to Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 6: George. I've been.

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Speaker 5: Studying the paranormal actually have been practicing all different things

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Speaker 5: since for fifty five years after I got out of

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Speaker 5: the Navy, and as soon as you open that door,

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Speaker 5: one thing after another. But you have to develop yourself

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Speaker 5: spiritually about channeling. If a person doesn't develop themselves by channeling,

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Speaker 5: they don't get very intuitive, they don't have they don't

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Speaker 5: develop themselves spiritually, so it's difficult for them to discern

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Speaker 5: whether it's negative or positive. And after many years of channeling,

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Speaker 5: a person can understand something negative or positive, especially when

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Speaker 5: you get into these higher realms and channeling these other beings.

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Speaker 5: I do exorcisms and I got used to dealing with

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Speaker 5: the other said quite often, and I do channel my

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Speaker 5: higher self. I don't channel other beings unless I'm doing

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Speaker 5: will come in and help do the healing work. How

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Speaker 5: do you feel and have you noticed the difference between

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Speaker 5: that the psychic being psychic isn't spiritual. What I'm saying

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you kind of nailed the topic. And

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Speaker 4: this is a big discussion within the particularly mediums, that

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Speaker 4: some of them they are just accessing information and bring

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Speaker 4: and it's of sensibly them that's probably providing it directly,

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Speaker 4: as opposed to the quote psychic approach, where you know

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Speaker 4: spiritual spectrum, I think that's probably highly individualized and I

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Speaker 2: Thanks Joe, that was interesting. I appreciate the call. We're

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Speaker 2: going to UFO Jim in Kenyon Country, California. Hi Jim,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind?

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Speaker 6: My George.

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to hear both you and the Colonel talkings.

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Speaker 3: As a quick note, I love your choice and songs.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever heard Wrecking Balld by Neil Young and

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Speaker 3: Emily Claris? Of course, okay, my favorite song. I was

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Speaker 3: wondering if the Colonel had ever come in contact with

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Speaker 3: tall white aliens and Indian springs or Nellis Field where

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Speaker 3: my father was a Lieutenant colonel in World War Two

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Speaker 3: as a pilot. And also has he ever heard of

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Speaker 3: Matthew Manning in England?

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Speaker 2: Have we heard of Matthew Manning England psychic? You know

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do, have I heard of it? Yes, this

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Speaker 4: Again, Hey, I'm familiar with the stories. You'd have to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Paul Hell, your wally was a

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Speaker 2: But thanks for the call, Jim, appreciate it. We're going

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Speaker 2: to John and Wisconsin. Good morning, John, George.

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Speaker 7: Hello George, Hello John, George per usual, great guest, great information.

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Speaker 7: I wish I could join you and George Nori at

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Speaker 7: your upcoming event. I know it's going to be spectacular.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 7: I want to prepase my comments by saying I'm a

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Speaker 7: novice when it comes to UFO information and everything you

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Speaker 7: and Georgia have been talking about. So my comments are

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Speaker 7: not based on wisdom, They're based on curiosity. But I

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Speaker 7: believe that UFO's extrastial aliens have been part of our

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Speaker 7: earthly world forever and will continue to be. I also

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Speaker 7: believe that these forces want us to be educated and

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Speaker 7: respected and learned from them. And I think what you

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Speaker 7: do and George Knapp does, and George Nori does wonderful

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Speaker 7: things for people. I want to thank you for that.

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Speaker 7: My question is, though, do you think that once the

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Speaker 7: humans insert themselves or try to insert themselves in these

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Speaker 7: forces or try to re engineer, re engineer these forces

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Speaker 7: that negative things can happen. And that was my question

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Speaker 7: that John and George thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure where to go with that would basically

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Speaker 4: or logic says if there are positive sort of things

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Speaker 4: as probably negative. Somebody before mentioned, uh, the dumb exorcisms. Uh,

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Speaker 4: something I haven't admitted to, but actually did some minor

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, minor exorcisms. That seems like a major

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I I haven't gone off into that

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Speaker 4: reality denied that the chapter in there called Traveling Poldergeist,

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Speaker 4: team ready to exercise the exorcist. The Catholic approach on that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But can it happen? I am convinced the answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: You know, the part of John's question was about whether

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Speaker 2: these entities UFO, E T, whatever want us to be educated.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you could elaborate on did they care

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Speaker 4: Well, it's again, you're basically in your you know, what's

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Speaker 4: both generically and specifically, would indicate that there are some

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Speaker 4: forces that are attempting to elevate humanity. I'm convinced we're

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Speaker 4: doing a very good job. Well, what Suzanne calls we're

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Speaker 4: continue that is an eternal process.

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Speaker 2: Could be that, you know, these various mysteries might have

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Speaker 2: more than one intelligence, more than one agenda, and trying

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Speaker 2: to figure it out is pretty tough to Thanks for

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Speaker 2: to Greg and MAUI. Hey, Greg, how you doing?

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Speaker 6: Both of you? Thank you for the show tonight. You know,

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Speaker 6: I am in both interspace and outer space. I'm advantaced

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Speaker 6: degrees in psychology, political economic history, and I know the

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Speaker 6: interspace and psychic reeting and and all this stuff. And

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Speaker 6: but I've also had experiences in outer space. And since

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Speaker 6: I have met three main characters. The pilot who flew

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Speaker 6: you know the man named William Cooper who wrote the book.

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Speaker 6: and then back to they were just showing off, you know.

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Speaker 6: And the and Colonel Corso, who wrote the book the

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Speaker 6: day after Roswell, all of these were vallet connections in

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Speaker 6: person validated what they were. The books I read later

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Speaker 6: about them, and Colonel Corso specifically talked about the UFO

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Speaker 6: experience as your earlier guests talked about. Were these things

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Speaker 6: an actual crash or an accident or were they dropped

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Speaker 6: in on purpose?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's Greg. We're going to run out of time here.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to let John answer that. John, You and

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Speaker 2: I've had a little bit of experience with Colonel Corso, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I guess he's not aware of when I actually you

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Speaker 4: knew of him before, long before the book came out,

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Speaker 4: and you and I and Hell went out and visited

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Speaker 4: after Roswell, I have written him a letter following that.

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Speaker 4: It's actually an appendix of the UFO book, and it

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Speaker 4: was seven pages long. If you had how many things

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Speaker 4: this is wrong, that's wrong? And those little things from

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Speaker 4: it's a Delphi Adelphier Merlin to know the cold war

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Speaker 4: wasn't the cover for fighting et.

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Speaker 2: It's a mixed bag, right, I mean, we're about out

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Speaker 2: of time, John, but you'd have to say about Colonel Corso,

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Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag. You really did work at the

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Speaker 2: places where he said, Yes, some of the claims he

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Speaker 2: made are really tough to prove. That's where you were

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Speaker 2: left with it.

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Speaker 4: Yep, there's no doubt about that. And I was with him,

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Speaker 4: like I say, a week before he died, between his

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Speaker 4: heart attacks and what he had told me and showed me.

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Speaker 4: He was writing on a sequel to quote correct the

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Speaker 4: mistakes that were in the day after Ruswell, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You and I have some photos with him, including the

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Speaker 2: last time I saw him, which was you know, the

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Speaker 2: year of the book came out. John Alexander. Always great

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Speaker 2: to talk to you. People will check out your books.

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Speaker 2: We have some links on the Coast to Coast site.

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Speaker 2: Reality Died is a heck of a book. Also, the

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Speaker 2: UFO Myths Book is if you're interested in that subject.

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Speaker 2: It's very comprehensive and people should should take a look

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Speaker 2: at it. John, Say hi to Victorian, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.

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