Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes, goodness, dingdal culture. And how
Speaker 1: is Charlotte, North Carolina treating the girl? You know, I
Speaker 1: am loving the breweries. I think that's what it's most
Speaker 1: famous for. You know, you know what it is. It's
Speaker 1: a banking town, which is a bummer. I know not
Speaker 1: everyone here is a banker, but like it really prides
Speaker 1: itself on being like a bank town. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that explains a lot. This is not to poopoo on Charlotte.
Speaker 1: It's only to poopoo on banks. Well, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: banks are not the club. It's actually rotal culture number
Speaker 1: forty two. Banks are not the club. Banks are not
Speaker 1: the club. And therefore you have to go to the
Speaker 1: breweries sort of get your kicks. So what sort of brewis?
Speaker 1: Are we sort of ingested when we get through we
Speaker 1: in I p a type of girl? Are we some
Speaker 1: sort of like amber l type of bitch? Are we
Speaker 1: that kind of sort of cranky Pilsner type? Tell me
Speaker 1: bow girl. All I know is like in the summer,
Speaker 1: I like to drink a blue moon or a fat
Speaker 1: tire and Queen, I guess I like I don't know beers.
Speaker 1: And this is actually, this is actually the thing about
Speaker 1: Matt is that you're be're a beer gay, which is
Speaker 1: so so dissonant to me. It's really jarring even for me. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, the sort of bibliography on my life is
Speaker 1: I sort of came up serving tables, you know, like
Speaker 1: just like cloppy punching the clock and you know, getting
Speaker 1: my apron on. And then I would deal in the
Speaker 1: market of beer. I would deal in hops. And so
Speaker 1: I worked in an Irish beer bar downtown, way downtown,
Speaker 1: the financial district with the best clientele who often worked
Speaker 1: at say it with me, banks, banks, which are not
Speaker 1: the club, which are not the club, but sometimes the
Speaker 1: way those fucking dudes would come in for lunch, you'd
Speaker 1: think they were going back to the club, because these
Speaker 1: men would get absolutely wasted during long during the week
Speaker 1: and then go back and run our banks. So just
Speaker 1: know that I am a primary source and I was
Speaker 1: down there in the financial district watching these men get
Speaker 1: wasted and going back to run our banks. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I got political. And this was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: fun conversation about hops. No, it's okay, really quickly, let's
Speaker 1: just go over a couple of items of business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean is selling dollar cock rings. What golden diamonds?
Speaker 1: Did you hear about this? Frank Ocean is selling dollar
Speaker 1: cock rings, but they're they're heck sagonal, They're a hexagon,
Speaker 1: but there's it's so it's really chic. But unfortunately, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do I don't know how to feel about it?
Speaker 1: I have a question. Who does he think his clientele is?
Speaker 1: Who does he think his clientele is that they can
Speaker 1: afford rich fags? I thought it was everybody, but apparently
Speaker 1: he's like zeering in on like a type of luxury consumer.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, this is not the Frank Ocean.
Speaker 1: You knew, this is not the girl I knew. No,
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean shouldn't be a luxury brand. Is a shek name.
Speaker 1: His brand is Homer, which I'm also like viral. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think I like it like Simpsons
Speaker 1: in fashion, Like that's like come on, I know, And
Speaker 1: I might not be a Simpsons reference necessarily. It might
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, he loves the Iliad. It's like you
Speaker 1: gotta I don't know, home home Simpsons in fashion, it's
Speaker 1: like we we've reached a fever pitch. I love that
Speaker 1: you know that I'm a Simpsons gay. If you're a
Speaker 1: beer gay, then I'm a Simpsons gay. But I think
Speaker 1: like we're like ever every fashion brand has a Simpsons
Speaker 1: motif in it. Now, which do they really? I love?
Speaker 1: But I feel like, let's Frank Ocean is ahead of
Speaker 1: the curve. And this is the one moment where I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I feel like you're a follower. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? I love him to death.
Speaker 1: I wish him the best. I wish him the best
Speaker 1: in all of his endeavors. I'm just saying like, there's
Speaker 1: something about a dollar cockering that rubs me the wrong way,
Speaker 1: maybe even literally, because if you're thinking about what that's
Speaker 1: made of to make it dollars, I'm thinking that feels
Speaker 1: painful or uncomfortable to sensations that during gay sex we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need more of an Another thing is like,
Speaker 1: then what happens if it gets like luby, What happens
Speaker 1: if it gets like like I don't know, A lot happens.
Speaker 1: Is a lot of like action happening during sex, like
Speaker 1: a dollar sex like accessory. I just don't know. A
Speaker 1: cock ring is supposed to you're supposed to be able
Speaker 1: to like control the compression at the base or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like it's it's this is jewelry, Like it's not
Speaker 1: like this is assuming a lot about someone's someone's like
Speaker 1: ball size. I don't know. We can't get into it,
Speaker 1: but you know what, And it's not even like we
Speaker 1: can get it to try it because neither of us
Speaker 1: are going to pay for it. No, but if he's
Speaker 1: gonna sell cock ring, I'm gonna sell like fifty dollar
Speaker 1: viagra hills. Like that's it's basically the same function. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't want that to be your brand
Speaker 1: though this helps me get hard and it costs too
Speaker 1: much money. That's I don't know that that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you don't know your clients that I don't.
Speaker 1: Frank and I are the same person. Now I'll tell
Speaker 1: you who our client tellers. Her name is Katie. She's
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, she lives outside of Chicago. She
Speaker 1: has a communications degree, and we are her gay best friends.
Speaker 1: That's what our client tells. Okay, yeah, and we've we've
Speaker 1: embraced it, you know. Okay, speaking of alcohol earlier. Our
Speaker 1: guest just celebrated a huge birthday, twenty Absolute one, twenty
Speaker 1: Absolute one. It's giving Adele. It's giving Adele's best album. Sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's not go there, but I think she turned
Speaker 1: Tony one in in a crazy place, not a crazy place,
Speaker 1: in a hopeless place. Oh my god, we love that song. Okay,
Speaker 1: but she just heard twenty one. She just talked about
Speaker 1: birthdays as a concept on her new podcast coming out
Speaker 1: on Cricket Media with Darren Dare we say with her friends, yes,
Speaker 1: mean Hammy and Alicia Pascal Painia, who plays Aida and
Speaker 1: Saved by the Belt, which our guest stars and is
Speaker 1: truly such a fucking star in. That's the truth. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about Saved by the Bell with her.
Speaker 1: She We met her at the Critics Choice Awards where
Speaker 1: she was nominated and fucking like, absolutely ridiculous that she
Speaker 1: didn't win. Your friend Molly Shannon was nominated. Our guest
Speaker 1: was nominated in category It was a stacked It was
Speaker 1: a stacked category. And actually I actually happened to be
Speaker 1: wearing my the other two season to sweatshirt today. Actually,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and our guest was in another Chris
Speaker 1: Kelly project, other people, other people. I mean, this has
Speaker 1: been a long time coming. We love her so much.
Speaker 1: I mean this was a sort of thing where it
Speaker 1: was like it's been a long time coming, getting our
Speaker 1: guests on the pod. And the fact is that we
Speaker 1: finally locked her down and she's in fucking Scotland where
Speaker 1: she'll be for months filming a drama. And that is
Speaker 1: how I want. That's the energy I want this episode.
Speaker 1: I wanted to feel Scottish drama vibes and it starts now. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please love them into your ears, Josie Josia already Scottish vibes.
Speaker 1: It's like chill American Scottish energy. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was having a stroke, Like I wanted to speak so
Speaker 1: much but I couldn't. I'm so happy to like produce
Speaker 1: words out of my mouth listening we're happy to I'm
Speaker 1: so happy, We're so happy we're producing words. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that Frank Ocean is like so delirious. I want
Speaker 1: to be. I want to be at that level of
Speaker 1: delirium where I can sell I guess you know the things.
Speaker 1: The thing is just like I don't I don't doubt
Speaker 1: that he will sell those cock rings. But that to
Speaker 1: me feels like, you know, he could make cock rings
Speaker 1: for the people, and then that could really be his thing,
Speaker 1: luxury cock rings. I'm like, not only do I think
Speaker 1: they're impractical, but I don't think it's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but here we are talking about it, and isn't that
Speaker 1: what this whole tale feeds on talk talk True? So true?
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Happy belated, thank you? How did you celebrate?
Speaker 1: So I I forced, like my two best friends from
Speaker 1: l A to fly six thousand miles for heere and
Speaker 1: so with with my cast and the two of them,
Speaker 1: we just you know, went to the party capital of
Speaker 1: the world, Atinburgh, and of course and had had an
Speaker 1: amazing just like British time. Incredible but can I confront
Speaker 1: you incredible but I know you've drunk, underage, I know it,
Speaker 1: oh of course and criminals criminal of course. You know.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I so I went to college, um,
Speaker 1: and I just graduated like a week before, thank you, um,
Speaker 1: a week before I came to Scotland, and so like
Speaker 1: I never was twenty one in college. And so by
Speaker 1: the way, if you I'm not even just saying this
Speaker 1: for like you know, to sound like I'm like a
Speaker 1: good person who didn't have like a childhood alcohol disorder
Speaker 1: like most child actors do. Like I just didn't. I
Speaker 1: never really enjoyed drinking. I just loved being in like
Speaker 1: the environment, Like I always loved being in the club.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like forced my sister to um like
Speaker 1: give me her old idea and but so then now
Speaker 1: it's like it's seeped into other things. It's not just
Speaker 1: getting into clubs, like now that I'm twenty one, like
Speaker 1: I can use my own idea, but I like use
Speaker 1: triple A through her. I d I like rent cars
Speaker 1: now through her, Like we basically share in insurance and
Speaker 1: like legally on paper, I'm half of my sister's life.
Speaker 1: So like that's not even something that's going to change now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a great movie plot, Like the time between
Speaker 1: you turn twenty one and those four years are so important,
Speaker 1: that's what that's when you're gonna feel so connected to
Speaker 1: your sister before you can rent a car at twenty five,
Speaker 1: like because otherwise you're like you're in some ways the
Speaker 1: same person. But you were saying on your podcast that
Speaker 1: you guys don't look alike and so the fake doesn't work.
Speaker 1: We don't look nothing alike, and that's not because of
Speaker 1: a surgeon's misdoing. Um, we've had the exact same work done. Now,
Speaker 1: Um we don't really look at I look more like
Speaker 1: my dad and she looks more like my my mother. Ish, yeah,
Speaker 1: I look yeah, I look like like I'm like a
Speaker 1: squeezed and much taller, like I'm a pulled out version
Speaker 1: of her. My sister's hands are like they're like miniature,
Speaker 1: They're like tiny paws. They can fit into a quarter
Speaker 1: of my palms. Small hands are I'm sorry they freaked
Speaker 1: me out. I'm just saying small hands are some of
Speaker 1: the scariest things. I love playing with her fingers. It's
Speaker 1: like a little toy. It's like a free toy. She's
Speaker 1: about to turn thirty in October. Stop growing, that's just
Speaker 1: how big. Yeah. Oh no, they're done their hands. Your
Speaker 1: hands stopped growing at twenty eight. That's what they say.
Speaker 1: What they say, Oh my gosh, that is what it's written.
Speaker 1: It's it's actually Bible. Were you were you drinking at
Speaker 1: the critics Choice? No, you were being good? No, I was.
Speaker 1: I was so scared. I was so I have never
Speaker 1: not wanted to like to to like when not that
Speaker 1: I ever thought there was a possibility of of me
Speaker 1: being able to like win that, but like I have
Speaker 1: never felt such like I was just producing so much
Speaker 1: negativity leading up to when they were saying my category,
Speaker 1: and I looked to my dad and I was like,
Speaker 1: I will ship myself and throw up if this goes
Speaker 1: the other way. So I was praying. I was obviously
Speaker 1: praying that like it was obviously someone else, which I
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be. And my mom was like,
Speaker 1: are you going to write a speech? And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's so stupid. Why would why the why would I
Speaker 1: write a speech? Um? But that's like the worst feeling.
Speaker 1: Why do people like going to work shows? They're like
Speaker 1: kind of awful? Well we were. That's the thing is
Speaker 1: that that we were looking over at you and you
Speaker 1: obviously weren't drinking, and we were like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: having to sit through all this with no help from alcohol?
Speaker 1: Because it really she was long and it was like
Speaker 1: a mask. It was like a six. It was really long.
Speaker 1: It was and we had a great time, but it
Speaker 1: was long. But the thing is, though, like you got
Speaker 1: obviously we're nominated so can you, but probably I don't know.
Speaker 1: You felt like you were not going to win, and
Speaker 1: Bowen kept saying, I'm not gonna win, I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 1: But I was feeling like, Bowen, you might win, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to win. No, no, no, okay, it's very nice.
Speaker 1: But I think, but I think what Josie is talking
Speaker 1: about is this thing that I think we've talked about,
Speaker 1: which is that like you obviously know that, like it's
Speaker 1: it's not in the realm of possibility, and then something
Speaker 1: happens when you're sitting there in the room, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like, but what right? I need to look this up.
Speaker 1: I need to read a book about this. But the
Speaker 1: phrase the addiction to possibility is like applies to so
Speaker 1: many areas of everyone's life. I feel like I have that.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting that title of app title of episode.
Speaker 1: We all have ability. Wow, this is crazy. What's so
Speaker 1: explain that comes? It comes into crazy time? Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's self explanatory. It's like we are like
Speaker 1: before you go on a vacation. I'm sure just you
Speaker 1: felt this before you went to Scotland, even though you're like,
Speaker 1: oh god, it's like a month long shoe in a
Speaker 1: different country, Like it'll be hard work, but it might
Speaker 1: be exciting, it might be all these things I'm gonna
Speaker 1: celebrate my birthday there. I mean, we all have this
Speaker 1: crazy concept of like like an image of what noutcome
Speaker 1: might be or what thing will be as an experience,
Speaker 1: and then we love that. That's basically it. We fantasize that.
Speaker 1: The problem is and I think this is what forces
Speaker 1: people to like stay in bad habits, is that we
Speaker 1: can only think of possibilities with the information that we have,
Speaker 1: which is past experiences, and so you know, we can't
Speaker 1: sort of dictate what's in front of us objectively because
Speaker 1: we can only pull from things that we've experienced, we've
Speaker 1: heard people experience, and I think that gives people like roadblocks,
Speaker 1: gives me, gives me, yeah, especially in a situation like that,
Speaker 1: when it's like when you find league get to sit
Speaker 1: at an award show like that, it's like your only
Speaker 1: experience with that most of the time is like having
Speaker 1: watched them on TV or like understanding what it's like
Speaker 1: when someone goes up there and wins and then you're
Speaker 1: there and it's like you don't just magically appear during
Speaker 1: your category and you look stunning when they cut to
Speaker 1: you as one of the nominees and it's this tense
Speaker 1: moment and someone wins and then everyone's like oh, clapping
Speaker 1: and thank god, and then you move on with your life.
Speaker 1: It's like no, you sit there the entire time. They
Speaker 1: do not feed your asses. The alcohol is flowing. People
Speaker 1: are usually making jerks of themselves, either on stage or off.
Speaker 1: It's a horny little town that gets weirder as the
Speaker 1: night goes on. And then afterwards you leave and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was demystified for me. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was positive or negative, but I know I experienced
Speaker 1: it right, and I honestly I think a niche sort
Speaker 1: of um experience that many people cannot relate to is
Speaker 1: which was the most horrifying experience or one of one
Speaker 1: of one of the most during that night was like
Speaker 1: the cameraman after I lost, Like everyone everyone has like
Speaker 1: a camera on that when they're saying the nominees, and
Speaker 1: then like just the way he just like threw it
Speaker 1: down immediately, like he's like it's like the way it
Speaker 1: like pushed in and I felt like I was having
Speaker 1: my moment and then like just the it was like disappointment,
Speaker 1: but like he it was like expected disappointment. Like the
Speaker 1: look on this man's I was just like of course,
Speaker 1: and it's just like through the camera and didn't even
Speaker 1: try to like keep it up for like a mill
Speaker 1: second longer. Like that to me was horrifying, chilling, chilling.
Speaker 1: You had our votes, you had our credit, you were
Speaker 1: our critics choice, you really were thinks. And but by
Speaker 1: the way, I was like I was so so honored,
Speaker 1: and they were so nice, and yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: lovely time. And well, speaking of which, so we we
Speaker 1: we we we instantly like locked in on you. We
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, Josie's next to us. We
Speaker 1: hit it off. Do you what was your memory of
Speaker 1: your tablemates? I think Joshua Jackson and Jody Turner Smith.
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember what that vibe was?
Speaker 1: I remember that like I didn't recognize Christians. Later and
Speaker 1: he like tried sitting in my dad's seat, and I
Speaker 1: fully like just so I was so anxious that I
Speaker 1: was like extremely rude and was like that's my dad's seat,
Speaker 1: Like that's my dad's Christians either, And he looked at
Speaker 1: me like a little confused, and he was like oh,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, sorry, and then I just
Speaker 1: thought he was like someone's guest. And then my dad
Speaker 1: was like, why the fund did you just speak to
Speaker 1: Christians later like that? And I was like, wow, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in a moment, Well you're not watch Duff.
Speaker 1: But I loved Jody. I loved their relationship. There so healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're so healthy and horny. It was healthy horny. They
Speaker 1: were on top of each other. I love how she
Speaker 1: just gave no fun like people were like giving like
Speaker 1: emotional speeches and she was just like what the fuck? Huh.
Speaker 1: She was like that doesn't make sense. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're speaking in a normal voice. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And your table is close to the stage. We were like,
Speaker 1: but what I will say? That doesn't make There's so
Speaker 1: many tidbits from this night, honestly, but one tidbitt my
Speaker 1: dad was sitting next to Venus Williams during the whole
Speaker 1: m J Champion speech. Yeah, and so he he was
Speaker 1: so obsessed with the fact that he got to see
Speaker 1: like the look on her face and like the confusion
Speaker 1: and that whole moment, which was so awkward. She's yeah,
Speaker 1: I just you just wanted a sort of kicker, right right.
Speaker 1: I actually I actually missed that part because we got
Speaker 1: so fucking drunk that at one point we got up
Speaker 1: and like went to go hop knob and I left
Speaker 1: my phone somewhere. So at that point I was fully
Speaker 1: standing up looking around that ballroom, like where's my phone?
Speaker 1: Like my Darcy Carton sent a video of me just
Speaker 1: like up out of my seat while they're accepting me award,
Speaker 1: just like looking in the boom. My god, you don't realize,
Speaker 1: like it's probably good that you couldn't drink, because you
Speaker 1: don't realize just how drunk you'll get if you allow
Speaker 1: yourself to go there, especially when you're nervous, like and
Speaker 1: I was nervous for a bell. I was like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing here? There's so many there's so much
Speaker 1: going on. You got tanked. There was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: It's so it was so strange, and like, yeah there was.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like running into like Kirsten Dunston
Speaker 1: Jesse Clemens outside of the bathroom, who also like I
Speaker 1: don't know if I should say this, because if people
Speaker 1: know where I live, then they could like hunt them.
Speaker 1: But they're like my neighbors randomly and they're like and
Speaker 1: so they were like talking about parties that I had
Speaker 1: in high school that they had heard through the fence.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, it was so so. I hit
Speaker 1: on Andrew Garfield at the after party, and I failed miserably,
Speaker 1: so many moments, so many moments which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I regretfully you hit on it, like, I would never
Speaker 1: hit on that man again because I just thought, he's
Speaker 1: not my vibe. He's not your vibe. Really, No, I
Speaker 1: feel like the more that I like read into him,
Speaker 1: he seems like a nice person, but like I feel
Speaker 1: like he deserves he deserves someone else. I had a choice. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think that it was in your hands.
Speaker 1: I think had you just gone over there and been like, listen,
Speaker 1: this has happening tonight, I think that maybe Andrew Garfield
Speaker 1: would have been charmed slash horned up. I think he
Speaker 1: was a little too charmed throughout the night. But like,
Speaker 1: basically what happened was we were at the after party
Speaker 1: and I went up to him because he was hanging
Speaker 1: out with like my little friends that I had made
Speaker 1: that night. It was it was there a first time
Speaker 1: also being nominated and I was like, I like your
Speaker 1: jacket because he has like a Sparkley jacket, right, just
Speaker 1: like a real till really easy, and he was like
Speaker 1: really because I feel like it's giving dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: But by the way he said it's he said he
Speaker 1: was the phrase it's giving, which I was like. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, because this is giving something else. It's given.
Speaker 1: It's giving Shawn Mendez giving share and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like no, no, no, like you're um like
Speaker 1: that's like way below your tax bracket. And I was like,
Speaker 1: but you could, like you would look good at anything, um,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry, and he was like, right,
Speaker 1: right right, and so I was like, okay, I'm getting
Speaker 1: points here. And then he asked me. He was like,
Speaker 1: so like what do you do? And um, this is
Speaker 1: one like like you would expect me to be like
Speaker 1: I'm an actor or like I was nominated. I didn't
Speaker 1: do a bit. I was honest. But I looked at
Speaker 1: him dead in the eye and it was just like
Speaker 1: I'm a student because it was I wasn't line because
Speaker 1: it was so nervous that he had asked me that
Speaker 1: all I could say was that I was a student
Speaker 1: because because I am in college. He looked at me,
Speaker 1: face a jar, truly confused, and I was like, how
Speaker 1: is that going for you? And again you would think
Speaker 1: that I would that would be like, well, I'm also
Speaker 1: an actor and I'm also nominated tonight, but but I
Speaker 1: doubled down and was just like, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: say those words, but I was like, if I just
Speaker 1: insinuate that I'm an actor, So I just said like, um,
Speaker 1: while I'm here, and he looked at me and was
Speaker 1: like he looked at me and it was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that means what you think that means. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that mean? I was so confused.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I hate when I hate when things
Speaker 1: go off the rail. He went totally off the rails
Speaker 1: and then he walked away from me, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, why did I tell him that? But I
Speaker 1: did see him at the glaud of words, and I
Speaker 1: did tell him that, and he was he very kindly
Speaker 1: and UM told me with with great confidence that he
Speaker 1: had no idea who I was and didn't remember that um.
Speaker 1: But he was also he was laughing at the fact
Speaker 1: that I told him I was a student. So it's
Speaker 1: been made. It's been since made up. It's been made.
Speaker 1: And now the next time you see him you can
Speaker 1: just go over to him and like flirt with him
Speaker 1: for real and like gotten number all these times we
Speaker 1: started together. Anyway, let's go to bring because I'm old
Speaker 1: enough to do that now. So anyways, exactly, But that's
Speaker 1: my Garfield story. We all have one. We all have one.
Speaker 1: The groundwork has been laid though for I think Matt's
Speaker 1: right for future interactions where like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: cute and fun. Wait, who are your other friends? Quote
Speaker 1: little friends that you made that night who were also nominated?
Speaker 1: Was it the Yellow was it Yellow Jackets people? Well,
Speaker 1: actually one of the girls from Yellow Jackets, Sammy Um,
Speaker 1: she goes with Samantha now because she's an adult. Samantha
Speaker 1: Hannon Rannie I've known for like over ten years. So good.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. I met her like when I first moved
Speaker 1: to l A and we took our first very acting
Speaker 1: class together and we were very excited to be there together.
Speaker 1: And then there was another it was like a wolf brother.
Speaker 1: I think his name is nap Wolf. It was really nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is saved by the Bell your first maybe not
Speaker 1: your first, but is that like one of your first
Speaker 1: jobs where you got to hang with people in your
Speaker 1: age cohort and like your age group where because I
Speaker 1: feel like you've been in a lot of stuff where
Speaker 1: it's like you've had to play opposite like full grown adults. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I imagine as as as someone growing up in
Speaker 1: the industry, you're like, I kind of want to hang
Speaker 1: out with like people my age. Is that fair hundred percent?
Speaker 1: I mean when I was on Glee, I like assumed
Speaker 1: I would be with high school aged people because I
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. But I was with like thirty
Speaker 1: eight year olds who are from the oldest people in
Speaker 1: America who plays in America. It was the oldest people
Speaker 1: had ever seen. They were like thirty. It's like it
Speaker 1: was like, it's not even like people that are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're old to play high schools. It's like hard adults
Speaker 1: with hard adult problems, like having a hard adult contract.
Speaker 1: It's like and then they're like, we get to get
Speaker 1: to class. I was just so confused, like what, like
Speaker 1: why did when it came to casting my character, did
Speaker 1: they decide they wanted to cast a child? Like true?
Speaker 1: I was I was truly like thirteen years old, and
Speaker 1: when I was cast and like put opposite these these
Speaker 1: thirty year old old novelist, right and EMILEA Michelle who
Speaker 1: was who was a wonderful journey um but Lilia of
Speaker 1: it Allen and I are going to see her in
Speaker 1: Funny Girl. I mean she's she's that'll be very gonna
Speaker 1: tear it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah of course. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so when we got to say by the
Speaker 1: Bell Um, I was so lucky, especially because I had
Speaker 1: shot a movie just before that and I became really
Speaker 1: close friends with this girl, Alicia. It was a film
Speaker 1: called Moxie, And while we were filming that movie, I
Speaker 1: realized that she had um been auditioning per se by
Speaker 1: the Bell and I met with Tracy Wigfield, who had
Speaker 1: the idea to bring it back like this summer before.
Speaker 1: But I was I wasn't planning on doing it um
Speaker 1: because I like had just for the very first time,
Speaker 1: which now looking back, it sounds so stupid that I
Speaker 1: was like I'm saying no to this. See where the
Speaker 1: Bell reboo, But like it was the very first time
Speaker 1: in my entire life I ever could just be myself
Speaker 1: and be in school and I realized that I had
Speaker 1: spent the past almost decade just dressing up as like
Speaker 1: someone else and being on set all day and then
Speaker 1: neither having these like imperative moments that like make your
Speaker 1: young adult life like what it's supposed to be or
Speaker 1: your team life. And then like I just kept getting
Speaker 1: closer with her, and then I remember, like the day
Speaker 1: that she booked it, I like was I was like
Speaker 1: crying for her, and that was like one of the
Speaker 1: final straws um that helped me realize, like I should
Speaker 1: probably this is a sign that I should probably like
Speaker 1: do this, and obviously with the role in tracyemings so amazing,
Speaker 1: and so I said yes. And we ended on a
Speaker 1: Friday of that movie, and we had our first day
Speaker 1: of read that Monday. I got to be with her
Speaker 1: for two and a half years straight, and then she
Speaker 1: ended up moving in with me, and that was I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that at Lasia had been like on this
Speaker 1: journey with you through multiple stages. And then and then
Speaker 1: does she go to Chapman too or did she go
Speaker 1: she didn't go to chim And we joked that she
Speaker 1: like kind of like did because our best friends to
Speaker 1: me and who's doing the podcast with Lucia and I
Speaker 1: is my best friend from college. Um associated honestly Saved
Speaker 1: by the Bell was it was so it was such
Speaker 1: like a joy to watch because it really was not
Speaker 1: what anyone thought it was going to be. I think
Speaker 1: people probably thought, probably maybe even what you thought when
Speaker 1: you heard, oh, you're being offered to Save by the
Speaker 1: Bell reboot, it's like, oh, is it going to be
Speaker 1: not to you know, not in the pejorative even I
Speaker 1: don't even say this, but like corny like the original
Speaker 1: one was in that is it going to be after
Speaker 1: school specialists or what's going on? And then you hear
Speaker 1: Tracy Wigfield and probably gets to know her, and then
Speaker 1: maybe even see a script and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is real jokes. It's hard jokes. It's self aware,
Speaker 1: very self aware, like the characters are interesting and funny.
Speaker 1: Like that had to be like a pretty cool thing
Speaker 1: to like understand that it was going to play to
Speaker 1: the top of intelligence instead of like being for kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so cool. I think that's such a testament to how
Speaker 1: smart Tracy is, and I think we never really doubted
Speaker 1: that because I mean, she went from being like a
Speaker 1: writer assistant on thirty Rock to winning the Emmy for
Speaker 1: writing remember that year. Yeah, she's like just so intelligent
Speaker 1: and wonderful, and looking back, I'm like, why wouldn't I
Speaker 1: have done that? I mean, to this day is the
Speaker 1: best role I've ever played. It's the best writing. And
Speaker 1: I'm you know you guys, I'm sure familiar with some
Speaker 1: of the writers Um on that show that Chrish like
Speaker 1: her and yeah, um and some of those writer most
Speaker 1: of them like Ben and Aaron Um Geary that I
Speaker 1: said that, like they're married. I don't know Ben's Um.
Speaker 1: They're like they're two straight men who I'm like wanting
Speaker 1: to I want them to be UM. But I've known
Speaker 1: them for like seven years, so these people or or
Speaker 1: now seven years, but like at the time, it was
Speaker 1: like five years, so they knew exactly how I spoke
Speaker 1: or um, like what would sound the best coming out
Speaker 1: of my mouth. So I just had the best material
Speaker 1: to work with. M You're so fucking good in it,
Speaker 1: Like just the deliveries are so so sharp. I mean,
Speaker 1: the character of Lexei too is just like so well developed.
Speaker 1: I think it's a testament to you being a producer
Speaker 1: on the show and giving it some real, some some
Speaker 1: reality to like what being like a trans student at
Speaker 1: a high school might be like in this day and
Speaker 1: age in a way that it's not like it it
Speaker 1: is not disempowered, Like Lexi is a very fun, comfortable,
Speaker 1: confident person, but then she still has these moments like
Speaker 1: in this in this in this recent season where she
Speaker 1: is I'm reticent to be this like poster child for
Speaker 1: like trans identity when this transigent another school gets kicked
Speaker 1: off the soccer team, Like I thought that was so genius,
Speaker 1: Like it's not that, like it's not this expected narrative
Speaker 1: of like, oh well then Lexi would react to like
Speaker 1: this very predictable way in in in the container of
Speaker 1: like an after school special from the eighties and like
Speaker 1: the old Saved by the belderation. I just think it's
Speaker 1: such I mean, Tracy is a genius and it's so
Speaker 1: fun that you get to play like the Jeta Maroni
Speaker 1: type of person. And like a thirty Rock DNA show,
Speaker 1: you know, like now like every show since thirty Rock
Speaker 1: that's done through Tina and and Robert and Tracy and
Speaker 1: you know all these people, Like that lineage is so essential,
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember, like this is my favorite kind
Speaker 1: of comedy. I don't know, I was truly just so lucky,
Speaker 1: and I mean I would just die laughing, and I
Speaker 1: don't think I realized, like how how exactly like he
Speaker 1: always I knew that I was really lucky in those moments,
Speaker 1: but like looking back now being on other projects, and
Speaker 1: like I was truly just given like a giant like
Speaker 1: juicy delicious cake to just bite off of every single day,
Speaker 1: and there was never a moment where I didn't have
Speaker 1: genuine fun. And I think that's why. I think that
Speaker 1: reflected in that character too, And I don't think I'll
Speaker 1: ever play a character like that in that way again, um,
Speaker 1: which is sort of sad, but also I feel like
Speaker 1: that was very healing for me because I think as
Speaker 1: a child, that character is that is like the one
Speaker 1: that I aspired to to be, or that type of
Speaker 1: like aspirational girl character that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: like queer people can relate to. I feel like we
Speaker 1: look we look up to like you know, the Britney
Speaker 1: Spears of the Mall or Regina George, but Regina exactly, um,
Speaker 1: like the clueless, and so it was very like self
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy and that is how I genuinely speak in
Speaker 1: my head. I just like I can't say that out
Speaker 1: loud without getting like physically abused by someone on the street.
Speaker 1: So we mentioned aspiring from childhood, which sort of brings
Speaker 1: us to our centerpiece question of this podcast, which was
Speaker 1: Jolie Tota, what is the culture that made you say
Speaker 1: culture is for you? This is the formative pop culture
Speaker 1: in your life that you can look back and be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that sort of made me. That's sort of
Speaker 1: made me me. I mean there's so many things. I
Speaker 1: think definitely every single pack in edition of this SIMS game.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go. Yeah, Like true, are you a
Speaker 1: SIMS fan? I would lose. This is what I would
Speaker 1: spend my summers doing, Like in full on high school,
Speaker 1: when I like I could have a social life, I
Speaker 1: would play the SIMS to for nine hours straight. Um
Speaker 1: literally same. I like had glued my eyes to a
Speaker 1: PC that I bought just to play SIMS. I had
Speaker 1: the Katy Perry pack, like the Candy Land pack or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I had like the college dorm one. I
Speaker 1: had every single pack and like just getting to create
Speaker 1: my own world and kill people, like back when that
Speaker 1: was like the fun thing to do and like wasn't bad,
Speaker 1: like didn't kill him in a bad way. It was
Speaker 1: like you'd set the house on fire or something. It
Speaker 1: was just like it was really liberating and just like
Speaker 1: getting to give people a pregnant and it was like
Speaker 1: so fun. The fact that you had the Katy Perry
Speaker 1: pack is so funny because it's when when I was
Speaker 1: playing sim was it was like you get the Evril
Speaker 1: Levine pack that it was like that sounds so fun.
Speaker 1: I feel like she made a comeback. They need to
Speaker 1: do anotherad do that again. I was more of a
Speaker 1: roller coaster tycoon, a little gay, but like it was,
Speaker 1: the SIMS was major, and I remember the cheat code
Speaker 1: you could put in what was it like a ton
Speaker 1: of money rose but you could type rose butt into
Speaker 1: the top right corner or whatever, and you'd get so
Speaker 1: much money and you'd be able to make like Mick mansions,
Speaker 1: which if you look back, pretty much every mansion you
Speaker 1: made with all that unlimited money it was the same
Speaker 1: as the one you made before. You couldn't ignore your
Speaker 1: own taste. But it never stopped being fun. Now it
Speaker 1: was so fun and I think just being a young
Speaker 1: child who just like drink like dreamt so much about
Speaker 1: what I wish my life was like and whatever, like
Speaker 1: I would live that life through the SIM And for
Speaker 1: that I think them. I think of them. I wonder if,
Speaker 1: like in twenty years, like you know how people say,
Speaker 1: like there are certain signs of a psychopath, if being
Speaker 1: addicted to playing the sims is like a major will
Speaker 1: become a major sign in the Well, we didn't looking back.
Speaker 1: She did burn a lot of her sims alive. I
Speaker 1: felt empowering, like I feel like that might just happen. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: what I would do is that this is this is
Speaker 1: truly crazy. But I would trap them in the bath.
Speaker 1: I would trap them in a room like I would
Speaker 1: I would take the doors off the room and they
Speaker 1: would like hold their like genitals and they had to
Speaker 1: piece so bad, and then they would they just pissed themselves.
Speaker 1: They would fold to the ground, piss themselves and then
Speaker 1: remember when they would have shame turn into an urn.
Speaker 1: Shame shame was such a thing. Or when they would
Speaker 1: faint from being too tired or not keeping fed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was insane. This is yeah, this is like what
Speaker 1: war criminals used to have fun. I don't think the
Speaker 1: way we're talking about it. It just it's very soapy, right,
Speaker 1: You're like you would get like like Josie were like,
Speaker 1: I would get these people pregnant. I would like I
Speaker 1: would always like have I would always have people cheat
Speaker 1: on each other like it was. It's it's It helped
Speaker 1: me like develop like creativity in terms of like a
Speaker 1: storytelling instinct to be like, oh, well, now this person
Speaker 1: is gonna do this. I think that's definitely a major factor.
Speaker 1: I really I think that a sign of a psychopath
Speaker 1: is maybe that I just remembered the word rosebud was
Speaker 1: the cheat code? Did either of you remember that it
Speaker 1: was rosebud? Because that like that lives in But honestly,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like the secretary senor brain when
Speaker 1: they go through the filing cabinets and they find something
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, not that's still bad.
Speaker 1: How did you find that? Like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: what the fact, I must have been much more obsessed
Speaker 1: than I thought. But I'm telling you I was one
Speaker 1: of those like boring kids that didn't use the expansion packs.
Speaker 1: I couldn't like figure them out, so I was just
Speaker 1: on the sims to like constantly like rosebudding making a
Speaker 1: man and then have the same like leopard print Lisa
Speaker 1: na floor, like just ridiculous, like going nowhere with my
Speaker 1: design aesthetic, like definitely tacky, buying the biggest phase I
Speaker 1: could and then just killing them inside a million percent. Well,
Speaker 1: there's still a SIMS culture. There's still like a SIMS
Speaker 1: culture that's going on. Oh for sure. I think it's
Speaker 1: like the younger Jenny. Yeah, like the preteens are really
Speaker 1: into it. I think it's younger and younger as time
Speaker 1: goes on. What is it now? Like, like how is
Speaker 1: it evolved? SIMS for and now you can play on
Speaker 1: your phone, which is crazy because I never got to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah that feels that a wheel day to
Speaker 1: play on your phone. Yeah, it feels wrong. There's something
Speaker 1: about like uploading it and like putting it in, turning
Speaker 1: the computer on and like really getting in, really waiting
Speaker 1: for to love you see life. Oh my gosh, wow, PCs.
Speaker 1: They really did reign supreme. They were like the dinosaurs
Speaker 1: of the time. They really were before Matt came in,
Speaker 1: Like there were something that ruled the earth and they
Speaker 1: were I'm also bad for them because like they're just
Speaker 1: so they're ugly. They're just like naturally ugly. And I
Speaker 1: could say that because I'm in an Apple series now,
Speaker 1: so I'm I've lost all sense of partnerships. Now that
Speaker 1: you're on an Apple series, you can really be Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't really share my true veelings, although weirdly, like
Speaker 1: they haven't given me anything, like oh that's a shame.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so weird. I'm like, why do we work
Speaker 1: for you? Actually, when the new iPhone comes out in
Speaker 1: a month, you should tell your people through the Apple reps, like, hey,
Speaker 1: give me a free iPhone. I'm gonna throw on my
Speaker 1: phone into the fucking Scottish river. The day that comes out,
Speaker 1: I'm having to say that it fell out of my
Speaker 1: hand due to the violent wind, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: demand a new phone. Can announce it. It's a it's
Speaker 1: an Apple series. I think it's called The Buccaneers um
Speaker 1: and it is about h hundreds you guys. It's about
Speaker 1: five girls who come to England from New York um
Speaker 1: to like find find husbands. But then like obviously ship
Speaker 1: goes down and they all have their own whatever intentions
Speaker 1: and um objectives. And I play a very character that
Speaker 1: is like extremely against the type of person that you
Speaker 1: would see portrayed in those times, if that makes any
Speaker 1: sense at all. But it's not a transcharactor. It's not
Speaker 1: a transparactor. But I just mean, like, my journey is
Speaker 1: very antithetical to like the types of UM stories that
Speaker 1: we've seen, which is called for me, it's called the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: which means like strong it means cowboy, but pirate basically, basically,
Speaker 1: basically I went to high school in our mascot was
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, and I was like, oh, it means gay pirate.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gay cowboy. It doesn't really mean
Speaker 1: gay pirate. But a buccaneer is a pirate, and that's
Speaker 1: essentially and probably why they called it that is because
Speaker 1: you guys did like go across the ocean to get
Speaker 1: to this new place, right, we did do that, And
Speaker 1: I have always felt that a buccaneer was away for
Speaker 1: a pirate to be like is he you know? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They called them right, it's a
Speaker 1: gay word for pirate. I feel I love that and
Speaker 1: I think that I should tell them that, and they should.
Speaker 1: They're going to change the series, yeah, man, and I
Speaker 1: can play gay pirates if they made someone I really can't.
Speaker 1: We would that would help us, honestly, But this is
Speaker 1: the thing on this show. You know, I'm so used
Speaker 1: to walking on a set and just being mentally fucking psycho,
Speaker 1: and this is a normal show with like normal people
Speaker 1: who aren't pitching fart jokes and like a monk calling you,
Speaker 1: like breaking his valid silence to call you a count.
Speaker 1: Like those are the types of things that like people
Speaker 1: are saying on this type of show. So I'm fully
Speaker 1: like I have to reel it in and then I
Speaker 1: go home and night and I write or I call
Speaker 1: um Tracy Wigfield. We have like weekly calls and I
Speaker 1: get to like show my energy that way, but not
Speaker 1: for it's giving buttoned up, it's giving drama. It's giving
Speaker 1: like an actual actor, which he that's fun. We knew,
Speaker 1: we knew all along. Well, I feel like, I guess
Speaker 1: Matt and I have not done enough, have not done
Speaker 1: any drama. So I feel like the vibe must be
Speaker 1: completely different from a comedy set work. As you say,
Speaker 1: you get to go on and be mentally fucking crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it works and it's helpful and people love it.
Speaker 1: It's so helpful and like everyone it's weird too, because
Speaker 1: like on a comedy sid you obviously don't just have
Speaker 1: like writers whatever you have like everyone that's involved in
Speaker 1: the crew. But because these people have done like The
Speaker 1: Office and thirty Rock and Mindy Project, like everyone understands
Speaker 1: like a like a joke structure and like the boom
Speaker 1: op will be like we'll laugh in the right way
Speaker 1: or like we'll understand something or like well, get you
Speaker 1: something randomly, or like when you when you get a
Speaker 1: laugh out of like your camera operator, like it means
Speaker 1: so much more to you than then like your writer
Speaker 1: telling you that that that joke landed well or something,
Speaker 1: and that energy doesn't exist there. It's still so fun
Speaker 1: and like I still love being on set, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely like an adjustment. Yeah, I always wonder about that
Speaker 1: because even like the like sometimes you do a project
Speaker 1: and like it'll like the comedy will be there, but
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily laugh out loud on set just because
Speaker 1: of the type of comedy it is, like probably First
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell, there was a lot of laughter
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of hard jokes, whereas like in
Speaker 1: in other things, like for example, when we shot the
Speaker 1: movie Fire Island, like it was definitely a comedy, but
Speaker 1: like the crew was not cracking up because it wasn't
Speaker 1: that type of comedy. Then with with the drama, it's like,
Speaker 1: especially someone coming from comedy who's for better or worse,
Speaker 1: a little bit used to that type of affirmation. After
Speaker 1: you do a take, you do it, and then it's
Speaker 1: a drama and you leave the scene and you're like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: was it anything? Was it good at all? Like quantify it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then like, honestly, like what I've learned with older
Speaker 1: people I've worked with and people more experience, have just
Speaker 1: been like, you have to know, they would not period
Speaker 1: point blank, they would not have moved on if they
Speaker 1: didn't get it. You did just keep going. You're you
Speaker 1: won't kill yourself at the end of the day or
Speaker 1: at the end of a job. If you just let
Speaker 1: yourself off the hook. If they if they got it,
Speaker 1: they moved on, You're fine a thousand percent. And I
Speaker 1: love that you mentioned Fire because you guys have stroked
Speaker 1: my ego so much and I haven't gone to tell
Speaker 1: you how much I loved and watching that film and
Speaker 1: how smart it was and how talented you both are.
Speaker 1: And also obviously um Bo and I've told you how
Speaker 1: much of a fan I am of you, UM with
Speaker 1: UM S and now and like I was, I've also
Speaker 1: been watching I Love That for you recently I just
Speaker 1: got into I'm I'm not kidding, like I just got
Speaker 1: into and you are so amazing and that I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a world where I could play at like
Speaker 1: a forty year old anchor on that show somehow, even
Speaker 1: as my age. Now that's like a goal of yes,
Speaker 1: you have to come on and sell products on the show.
Speaker 1: I mean now, I literally I can sell Frank Ocean
Speaker 1: cock ring. Yes you'd absolutely crush No, but you are.
Speaker 1: You're so funny. And I love Molly Shannon and I
Speaker 1: worked with her when I was younger and just recently
Speaker 1: saw her at an engagement party and not mine, UM,
Speaker 1: this young woman's and she was just so wonderful and
Speaker 1: I love her. She is like she you know what's
Speaker 1: funny about Molly is like everyone always wants to know
Speaker 1: she's like and as you know, this is true. And
Speaker 1: I got to introduce UM bowing to her at that
Speaker 1: award show. Um, she's exactly the same as you think
Speaker 1: she's gonna be. Like her energy is just so like
Speaker 1: funny and positive and very like energetic, and I just
Speaker 1: love watching her get ready to to do her thing.
Speaker 1: Like it probably was really interesting working on the film
Speaker 1: that you worked on with her because she was playing
Speaker 1: a totally different thing, and I think other people like
Speaker 1: really broke her open for everyone as being like more
Speaker 1: of a dramatic actress, which now I think people understand
Speaker 1: and and I love that for you. She's got a
Speaker 1: lot of dramatic moments and we've seen like white Lotus
Speaker 1: and stuff where she's funny, but it's more there's like
Speaker 1: a hef to it. But like watching her prepare herself,
Speaker 1: she really is like it's not like this goofy energy
Speaker 1: that you think, oh snl like comedian, Like we've seen
Speaker 1: her page to a table. She's like really a capital
Speaker 1: a actress and it's very like inspiring to see like
Speaker 1: someone who obviously doesn't take themselves seriously and it's like
Speaker 1: gone for it with sketch comedy, but also can drop
Speaker 1: in and do that other thing a thousand percent. She
Speaker 1: is so wonderfully talented and definitely goes against the tropes
Speaker 1: of like what you might expect of her in that regard,
Speaker 1: and more importantly, she's just so wonderfully humble and kind.
Speaker 1: And I remember in that movie Other People, I had
Speaker 1: like two scenes and she went on like um Jimmy
Speaker 1: Fallon and she had like shouted me out. She shouted
Speaker 1: the whole cast out, but like said my name also,
Speaker 1: and it was like Bradley Whitford, like who else was
Speaker 1: like mod Apataw, Jesse Plummins and then she just said
Speaker 1: my name and I was like, what the funk? Why
Speaker 1: did how do you know my name? Because she she
Speaker 1: goes out of her way to find the names of
Speaker 1: people that she loves, Like she she texted me and
Speaker 1: she was like, what was the name of that comedian
Speaker 1: that I did the scene with? I thought she was amazing,
Speaker 1: And she was talking about Martha Kelly Um who's now
Speaker 1: got an Emmy nominated from Euphoria and she comes on
Speaker 1: the show and I love that for you as Molly's astrologer,
Speaker 1: and it's just so funny. And Molly followed up with
Speaker 1: me and was like, I need you to give me
Speaker 1: her email or phone number because I need to reach
Speaker 1: out to her and tell her how much I loved
Speaker 1: her performance. Like that's just who she is. She's just
Speaker 1: a godsend and amazing and I love her, And what
Speaker 1: an amazing moment that you guys were category mates, Like
Speaker 1: you guys were in the same kind, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: That was like six years later. I go from being
Speaker 1: in two scenes of a film starring my idol and
Speaker 1: then you know, suddenly I'm in the same category as her.
Speaker 1: That was just so right. I don't think I'll ever
Speaker 1: process on until I'm like out of work when I'm fifty,
Speaker 1: I'm dreaming of being a child again. You were unbelievable
Speaker 1: in that movie, though, I mean, like it's truly like
Speaker 1: it's like if you remember like two or three things
Speaker 1: from it, like years later after watching it, like you
Speaker 1: are lodged in the brain, like you're so good. I
Speaker 1: think about that film. It's so funny. I have never
Speaker 1: really told us publicly before, but when I filmed that scene,
Speaker 1: I had like it was we were in the middle
Speaker 1: of the summer and it was Santa Karita. It was
Speaker 1: like a hundred and six degrees outside and there was
Speaker 1: no You can't put on air conditioning when you're obviously filming,
Speaker 1: as you you know, because of the noise, and I
Speaker 1: fully had a heat stroke and like nearly my pants
Speaker 1: and Naomi Scott, wife and just an amazing person um
Speaker 1: of Adam Scott was producing the film along with Adam,
Speaker 1: and it was just so kind to me and was
Speaker 1: like I like barely. I basically nearly fainted during the
Speaker 1: turking scene, and so we broke for lunch an hour early,
Speaker 1: and they let me take a shower in the house
Speaker 1: this like random like arabianbasque house, middle class home that
Speaker 1: we were filming at. And I like really got into
Speaker 1: the middle class. Um not I am? I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: really got into this middle class home, this woman's life
Speaker 1: in this middle class home. Um. And I like put
Speaker 1: on her robe like the owner of this house, this
Speaker 1: robe and her slippers, and like I just got to
Speaker 1: chill in her rocking chair for like a tight thirty
Speaker 1: and ate some Chinese food and then was able to
Speaker 1: recover and finish the tarking slay the gig. The fact
Speaker 1: that you remember these details, it's the fact that I
Speaker 1: sounded like Kim Kardashion when she did that middle classes.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that it was like middle class?
Speaker 1: So you guys will be obsessed with this. No, she
Speaker 1: did an editorial photos shoot that wasn't released with Kanye West,
Speaker 1: where they were in a middle like an upper middle
Speaker 1: class at home, but it was like middle class core
Speaker 1: and like there was like tile counter tops and like
Speaker 1: wooden cabinets and like at just like a living spaces.
Speaker 1: It's kind of iconic if you haven't seen it. An
Speaker 1: editorial of like them at West Delman being like this
Speaker 1: is too expensive, right, I'm like having a hushed conversation
Speaker 1: about a six snday dollar couch beyond like thank you anyway, Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: you guys want to know something? This is quick aside,
Speaker 1: I feel so grounded because I have I have maybe
Speaker 1: a taste that's beyond my means sometimes. But I did
Speaker 1: go to the mall here in Charlotte, North Carolina to
Speaker 1: buy an outfit for an under the Sea prom which
Speaker 1: Meg's dalter through last night, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: need to buy something with like fish on it. And
Speaker 1: I went to you didn't know still existed, went to
Speaker 1: Dillards and then I went to Dillards and I looked
Speaker 1: at some priced tats for like a shirt and disgusting
Speaker 1: shirt with a fish print on it. Looked at it.
Speaker 1: It was eighty dollars and I went, I'm not spending
Speaker 1: eighty dollars on this, and then I feel like my
Speaker 1: mind and Dillard's reminds me of my mom. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I I have not flown too
Speaker 1: far from the nest. I have not really straight from
Speaker 1: the path too much. Because I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that wasn't because the eighty dollars was too much, because
Speaker 1: it was too much exactly you would pay for a
Speaker 1: nice shirt. You pay for nice. But then I did
Speaker 1: find a set that costs thirty dollars total, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I got a great bargain and I
Speaker 1: really like the way it looks, and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, I'm not. I'm gonna. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take it home with me like I felt. And this
Speaker 1: is disgusting to most of our listeners, to the readers,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, okay, I do it. Felt nice and
Speaker 1: I want to return to that. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is the most unrelatable thing. Yeah, this isn't insane.
Speaker 1: We needed. We're gonna have to do another um like
Speaker 1: podcast with you to save your reputation. After that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get shot to the ground. But I want to say,
Speaker 1: I'm financially like an extremely unintelligent spender, like I will
Speaker 1: unfortunately unethically religiously shop clothes only on a song, like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's okay to like spend
Speaker 1: more than fifty dollars for like a shirt. But like
Speaker 1: that being said, I will, like I will cancel like
Speaker 1: three flights in a row and spend like several thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars just because I'm like so lazy and or
Speaker 1: likes something, so like that's where my money goes. It's
Speaker 1: not like on things that matter. It's like convenience that
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually am in the same exact boat
Speaker 1: as you. It's like I was just thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: like where what's the area where I sink the most
Speaker 1: money that I probably don't need to And it for
Speaker 1: me it is travel, like I think, I think just
Speaker 1: because now I I like to travel a certain way.
Speaker 1: But that being said, that's the one I'm most cognizant of.
Speaker 1: If I actually like sat here and like did the math.
Speaker 1: How much I've spent on Postmates over the last few years,
Speaker 1: especially over the last five years because of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: My Postmates number is probably humiliated. I probably should go
Speaker 1: to jail for it. Oh my god. Same, I would
Speaker 1: post me like when I was in college. I would
Speaker 1: like film Monday, Wednesday and Friday all day and and
Speaker 1: then on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I would be in class
Speaker 1: for twelve hours a day and I would postmate breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner into my lecture halls. And I was it
Speaker 1: was like a a young woman's salary in Iowa. Was
Speaker 1: my like postman's. But there was no other way you
Speaker 1: could have done like you need like you had such
Speaker 1: a crazy life, and we're sort of like ethic around
Speaker 1: like like whatever, like that's that structure that was built
Speaker 1: around your job and your school and your academics were
Speaker 1: like there was no other way but for you to
Speaker 1: order delivery. That's true. Thank you for substantiating that. Where
Speaker 1: did you go to college and what was your major? Chapman? Right?
Speaker 1: I went to Chapman. Yeah, I went Chapman, and I
Speaker 1: was um. I was a television major, same major in
Speaker 1: same school as Hannah Wattingham, who was also nominated in
Speaker 1: my category. And you also referred to me as Rosie
Speaker 1: when I met her Rosie today, I was truly Am Rosie.
Speaker 1: The rumor has it that she's going to be Madam
Speaker 1: Marble in the Wicked movie. Well, she'll be amazing, and
Speaker 1: anything she does, she'll be amazing. I can hear her
Speaker 1: going officially, I mean, what a great rule. You should
Speaker 1: go out for it. No, okay, as we all No,
Speaker 1: never mind, I want to say that now we we
Speaker 1: That's what the honest Jokie, Josie. Now you've graduated, can
Speaker 1: you have you reflected on your college experience at all?
Speaker 1: What was it? What are the big takeaways? What was
Speaker 1: it like for you? And this this is true. You
Speaker 1: did greek life, you were in a sorority. I did.
Speaker 1: I was talk about it. I did. Was the trauma
Speaker 1: that just rushed through my mind? You know, I have
Speaker 1: such an interesting it really is like a film to
Speaker 1: be made, which was that when I started school. I
Speaker 1: think I did what a lot of people do when
Speaker 1: they start college, which is like, what is the life
Speaker 1: that I want? How do I want to make this
Speaker 1: life for myself? You know, it's like the addiction of
Speaker 1: the possibility, and you're doing everything that you think you
Speaker 1: should be doing to have a good experience, and you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with you know, those people that that you've
Speaker 1: been told through like the media or like friends in
Speaker 1: the past, like that's what you do to enjoy life.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually so grateful for it because I met
Speaker 1: my best friend in the entire world. You mean, who's
Speaker 1: my co host of of dare we say? Through the
Speaker 1: sorority um. But I also had like like a miniature,
Speaker 1: um microcosmic experience of like what I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people and like not equating what I did in
Speaker 1: my stority to like what senators do on like a
Speaker 1: legislative floor, but in that like you can't really adjust
Speaker 1: and like change something that's like working how it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be working. And I very much went into it
Speaker 1: which was like I'm gonna make sorority is good, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like diversify and like whatever and use that
Speaker 1: as a pastime and then realize, like even if everybody
Speaker 1: wants to make sororities good or whatever that means, or
Speaker 1: like change the systemic oppression that it's so rooted in,
Speaker 1: it's still built in a system to oppress and it
Speaker 1: will always do that. So that was the journey that
Speaker 1: I went on with that, But I also had so
Speaker 1: many fun parties and like metatanical people. That's great, but
Speaker 1: it is sad to realize, like, oh, it's maybe sororities
Speaker 1: are supposed to be not good. I think so, and
Speaker 1: like I'm happy that I did it. I like, it's
Speaker 1: so it's crazy now because I truly had an ego
Speaker 1: death my like my last semester of school, where like
Speaker 1: I realized, I just I wanted to do every single
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: do every single thing that I didn't get to do
Speaker 1: up until that point that I would have wanted to
Speaker 1: do if I didn't have like my blinders on telling
Speaker 1: me like what I needed to do. And that was
Speaker 1: like invest in the film school and like I took
Speaker 1: another Arabic class, I took a political science class, and
Speaker 1: I just had like the most amazing time every weekend
Speaker 1: being on a film set and like I was, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously filming like not real TV show, but like a
Speaker 1: TV show that existed on a on a network on
Speaker 1: it like and then also doing like um, being a
Speaker 1: grip on like a student film on the weekends at
Speaker 1: the same time and running right forth. And that was
Speaker 1: such an amazing experience. And that was like my favorite
Speaker 1: probably that's so cool. Yeah, great, that is. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like really a good excuse to get like at
Speaker 1: least still not not necessarily well rounded, because I feel
Speaker 1: like that happens when you get in the industry, and
Speaker 1: you already were in the industry, so it probably was
Speaker 1: like even like a better opportunity for you to see
Speaker 1: like having been involved in the industry, here are the
Speaker 1: holes where I would want to, like, you know, have
Speaker 1: this experience or that experience. And then I guess it
Speaker 1: ended up, you know, with you being a grip for sure,
Speaker 1: which was insane. Um that was truly unhinged. It was
Speaker 1: like I was doing like an F forty five workout
Speaker 1: that like never ended, and it was like boot camp,
Speaker 1: and like my my grip guy was like making making
Speaker 1: like jokes about like chicks to me, like as if
Speaker 1: I was like assist a man. He was like, you're
Speaker 1: not gay, and I was like no, I'm just like
Speaker 1: I'm just scripping for to help out and like OK, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just scripping the help scripping. What was your grip
Speaker 1: out fit? What would you wear? What would you wear
Speaker 1: to where? What? What is colloquially referred to as a
Speaker 1: lue lemon BBL jacket UM, which is like exactly it is,
Speaker 1: and um on TikTok and then um like like a
Speaker 1: little a line legging um just like a cute sneak.
Speaker 1: It's giving soccer, it's getting big little lies. It's giving
Speaker 1: like soccer mom in Monterey. And I also had COVID
Speaker 1: the entire time that I was a grip on that project,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea. I had not when I
Speaker 1: kept testing negative and then I tested positive, but I
Speaker 1: didn't infect anyone given. Isn't that amazing. It's like sometimes
Speaker 1: like I will feel horrible and I'm like, I have COVID,
Speaker 1: I know it, and then everyone really will have and
Speaker 1: I'll test test test tested. I went to like what
Speaker 1: I found out later was a super spread straight wedding
Speaker 1: last month, and I felt like horror bowl during it.
Speaker 1: After it, like I was just like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I took a million tests, never said it was COVID,
Speaker 1: and and now I just have to keep living my
Speaker 1: life like I didn't have it again. But I'm like weird.
Speaker 1: It's also weird to like it seems like before everyone
Speaker 1: like test positive for COVID, they managed to see like
Speaker 1: every single person they've ever met, like the hours leading
Speaker 1: off to it, Like I truly I went on a
Speaker 1: world tour before I tested positive. I like filmed an
Speaker 1: entire short film. I went to an after party for
Speaker 1: my castmates film. I saw my parents, I saw my siblings. Um,
Speaker 1: I like went to class. I went to several classes
Speaker 1: like unmasked, there was no mass mandate and like no,
Speaker 1: I texted every single person, And it's just it's such
Speaker 1: a testament to like how we've evolved in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: I like put everyone in one of my classes in
Speaker 1: a group chat and was like, hey, um, just like
Speaker 1: wanted to like fully let you guys know full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I did test pause different COVID. I know, I was
Speaker 1: sitting next to you guys, like, please let me know
Speaker 1: if I need to pay for any COVID tests or
Speaker 1: like any if I need to call someone for you, UM,
Speaker 1: hit me up at any time, like xl x L.
Speaker 1: She was like to pay for tests, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like one person responded and was like l O l okay,
Speaker 1: like and then no one else responded, Like it was
Speaker 1: as if I had just just said absolutely nothing to them,
Speaker 1: like I had spoke gray matter and they didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck, And I just confessed my soul to them.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's what you were very vulnerable, and they
Speaker 1: did not return it in kind. That's they didn't care.
Speaker 1: They didn't care. Well, okay, was my my have a
Speaker 1: stupid question, which is was was Disneyland like a big
Speaker 1: part of going to Chapman or no? Because you guys
Speaker 1: are close to Anaheim. I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be and I even got a pass and then I
Speaker 1: like never went. I think it is for some people,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like, I don't know. It's like,
Speaker 1: why would you ever really go to Disneyland on and
Speaker 1: off day? If you think about it, if you could
Speaker 1: really do anything else, Like, why would you want to
Speaker 1: tire yourself out that much for just virtually no reason? Well,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going with the intent to like
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, it's not a relaxing experience if
Speaker 1: you're going and you're like and we gotta kid, but
Speaker 1: it's only it's like an adventure. Bone and I have
Speaker 1: gone before and it's been like we're just doing a
Speaker 1: leisurely walk We're in California Adventure. We have our little
Speaker 1: we have our little cocktails. We've taken maybe some shrooms,
Speaker 1: and we're more vibing. We're more just paying all that
Speaker 1: money to vibe. I love that. I do love the vibe.
Speaker 1: And I did do a lot of shopping at Downtown Disney,
Speaker 1: I will say, because there's like no stores in orang
Speaker 1: Journey that weren't ran by racist right right, That is
Speaker 1: a major thing you remember about Orange County is she
Speaker 1: be conservative? My next or Neuber was fully a Trump supporter,
Speaker 1: and I was surrounded Yeah, I was like neighbor banged
Speaker 1: by Blue Lives Matter people, Um what like they were?
Speaker 1: I was surrounded by Blue Eyes Matter people. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like I had a little sexy secret of like maybe
Speaker 1: one day I'll just like right trans on my forehead
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Because they were so nice to me,
Speaker 1: because I like, I'm obviously white passing and um, white
Speaker 1: presenting and like sis straight presenting, and yeah, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to ruin their day. I dreamed of the day
Speaker 1: I would tell them let me get over here and
Speaker 1: the truth. I mean, but to the way the expression
Speaker 1: neighbor banged, what is really one that's going to live
Speaker 1: rent free. In my mind, like the people on either
Speaker 1: side of you, like our neighbor banging it's like hot.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the title of that. I thought it
Speaker 1: was addiction to possibility that the neighbor banging away. See
Speaker 1: what the guest does. Yeah, exclamation point. I mean it
Speaker 1: could mean many things. One of a small dream that
Speaker 1: I had actually in quarantine again not by Kirsten Dunns,
Speaker 1: but by the house to the left. And anyway, we're
Speaker 1: not going to get into it. Is it a well
Speaker 1: known person? Um? Actually, I think the mom is well known,
Speaker 1: but the child is not. Not the child, he's fully
Speaker 1: an adult. He's like four years old. He's like a
Speaker 1: fully functioning adult, and that is legal. Anyway, it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, ye ha, no, speaking of it didn't
Speaker 1: happen yet. One segment on this podcast that hasn't happened
Speaker 1: yet is called I don't Think It's no honey, and
Speaker 1: it is a sixty second segment that we all do
Speaker 1: when we take a minute which is actually colloquially known
Speaker 1: as also sixty seconds, and we sort of rent and
Speaker 1: really get something in pop culture that we absolutely can't
Speaker 1: believe hasn't been taken down at this juncture. Um, I
Speaker 1: do have something bout and yang. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Teresa Judas hair at her wedding,
Speaker 1: and therefore all Tri State area women's hair at their
Speaker 1: wedding when they decide to really go for it, we
Speaker 1: need to take a step back. And I'm talking to
Speaker 1: all you girls getting ready for the problem in the
Speaker 1: Tri State area. Everyone getting ready for an event in
Speaker 1: the Tri State area. If you decide to go big
Speaker 1: and you tell a Long Island or Jersey hairstylus that
Speaker 1: you will end up with what happened to Teresa judass Head.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, and knowing Teresa Judas from the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New Jersey, It's not like she knows
Speaker 1: what camp is. It's not like she turned to her
Speaker 1: makeup artist in Hairstyuse and said let's go camp. No,
Speaker 1: someone was either fucking with her or they were just
Speaker 1: a Jersey hairstyle us that really got licensed to go
Speaker 1: for it. And I'm telling you, look at the pictures
Speaker 1: speaking about this wedding as a whole. I can't believe
Speaker 1: Melissa and Joe weren't there. I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: new season. I can't believe Jackie and Margaret were there
Speaker 1: and Melissa and Joe were not. I need to see
Speaker 1: what happens. But from what I'm seeing right now is
Speaker 1: all that hair. Trystate Area women take a breath. I
Speaker 1: don't think that one minute. Honestly, have you seen the pictures.
Speaker 1: I just saw that article. It's incredible. It's truly shocking.
Speaker 1: I'm your jaw drops. I've seen it multiple times in
Speaker 1: the last like twelve hours, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Every time, I'm like, wow, that's so much hair. Because
Speaker 1: it's truly the biggest deal wedding of the year in
Speaker 1: that entire state. I mean, like Dave Mazzoni was joking
Speaker 1: earlier that like he's on the Jersey shore right now,
Speaker 1: and people are talking about it everywhere you go, as
Speaker 1: if she's princess, like yeah, like it's the royal wedding.
Speaker 1: And then they released some video of her coming out
Speaker 1: of the church because I guess she got married outside
Speaker 1: the church. They open the doors and she's looking down
Speaker 1: and she just looks up and her hair is so
Speaker 1: big and you just hear the crowd audibly gasp, like
Speaker 1: and it's just like it truly is like a Jersey
Speaker 1: fever dream, but knowing it's Teresa and like all the
Speaker 1: like drama around this wedding and the fact that her
Speaker 1: dear family is not there because of falling out. I
Speaker 1: just didn't I couldn't believe it, and just understanding, like,
Speaker 1: like how heavy that has to feel on your head? Right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh wow, that's she wasn't pain all night.
Speaker 1: And you guys are both wigs queens, I would imagine occasionally, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what it's like to have them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like they're heavy. When they're big, they're heavy. It's
Speaker 1: paid well, if they're expensive, if they're if they're nice enough,
Speaker 1: they're not heavy. Oh I guess that's true. But also
Speaker 1: just having a wig on period for an extended amount
Speaker 1: of time is just uncomfortable. No, it's so comfortable and
Speaker 1: you're sweating and it's like it's like pinning in your
Speaker 1: head and it's not the good kind of pan. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't believe that. She was like, Yes, this is
Speaker 1: what's going to make me feel the best on my
Speaker 1: wedding day, and it has to be. It has to be.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, like a solid four feet of
Speaker 1: hair like it's it's like and it's high too. Are
Speaker 1: you Are you a Housewives person, Josie, I'm gonna look up.
Speaker 1: I unfortunately, like against all like queer stereotypes. I have
Speaker 1: barely I've watched a full episode of RuPaul's or Housewives.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I'm so in the know. I'm very
Speaker 1: in the know, like obviously very into Utah and everything
Speaker 1: that's going on with what's her fuck and what's obviously
Speaker 1: ter sign very well as I like religiously watched um
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams report on her for some Yes, I'm sort
Speaker 1: of an adjacent stand right, I got Well, so we're
Speaker 1: so you're aware of what this wedding means and what
Speaker 1: and how she's chosen to appear at it a very
Speaker 1: a very visible wedding. That's that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 1: she knew that she knew there were there was gonna
Speaker 1: be eyes on it. Yeah. And also the thing, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're talking about it, we're talking about it,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it, we're talking about it. But I
Speaker 1: having been from Long Island, like some some some people
Speaker 1: I knew, like going to prom and stuff like it's
Speaker 1: like like beautiful girls, like like very pretty girls. And
Speaker 1: then they get ready for prom and it's like they've
Speaker 1: given someone license to put like someone else an adult
Speaker 1: woman's face on her face and like really blow it out.
Speaker 1: And like I'll tell you that the changes in skin
Speaker 1: color that happened. I just what I want to tell
Speaker 1: people is that you are never going to look good orange.
Speaker 1: Orange is not the skin tone for anyone. And you
Speaker 1: think that you'd at least reach back to your four
Speaker 1: sisters and say, hey, how do I avoid looking like
Speaker 1: you did on this event that is going to be
Speaker 1: photographed a lot? And it's like no one has the answer.
Speaker 1: They keep going, they keep becoming orange, like it's just
Speaker 1: and it sucks because like I mean, I've seen it
Speaker 1: happen to people close to me where it's just like
Speaker 1: oh yeah, getting ready for a sweet sixteen or a
Speaker 1: prom or like to be a bridesmaid and they come
Speaker 1: out and you're like Deborah, what You're like, who are you? Mom?
Speaker 1: Like I don't recognize these girls? I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, no one looks their best at that time.
Speaker 1: That's that's the other thing. Yeah, no one looks their
Speaker 1: best for the biggest event of their life because you
Speaker 1: try too hard. Right, That's why people always say, like
Speaker 1: your birthday glam is like always uglier than like your
Speaker 1: every day glam. Yes, you men like I feel like
Speaker 1: men think that secretly they're like, I just I love it.
Speaker 1: I love thinking about what men think about, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm so concerned with the mail I mean, and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, when they get dressed up too much,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look so good. And that's one area where
Speaker 1: we should listen to them. I don't know. I had
Speaker 1: to had to talk about what Teresa appeared as, um
Speaker 1: bow and Yang, Are you ready to do? I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, I'm ready. All right, Well, this is
Speaker 1: a great moment for us all. It's Bowen Yang's I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, and its time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Republic Records, which is which is
Speaker 1: a division of Universal Music Group for stalling this Kim
Speaker 1: Patrick's album and leaving it in this limbo for two years.
Speaker 1: It leaked this past week and it's excellent. It's a
Speaker 1: very good album. I don't know how much this has
Speaker 1: to do with Dr Luke. Dr Luke produced, I think
Speaker 1: all of it. Um, that's also a problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope, my hope is that this phrase up came
Speaker 1: to work with other producers, because I think she is
Speaker 1: aware and speaking to someone who likes to talk to
Speaker 1: her about this. Not to name drop, but it's like
Speaker 1: I think she I think it's it's a good time
Speaker 1: for her to kind of disengage from that system because
Speaker 1: it has obviously given her so much, but I think
Speaker 1: it has also stunted a lot of progress in her
Speaker 1: career by not letting her release this album. There's great
Speaker 1: songs on it. If my recommendations are problem at tique.
Speaker 1: The title track of the album, obviously, cocon At the
Speaker 1: Future Starts Deeper, is an amazing song sex talk um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's a great album, but it's also a tragic moment
Speaker 1: in her career, and I think I hope she rises
Speaker 1: from the ashes of this. And that's one minute. I
Speaker 1: I too listened to it and then joined it a lot,
Speaker 1: but I only listened to it because she basically tweeted
Speaker 1: out being like, hey, yeah, go ahead, listen to the album.
Speaker 1: Because they're not letting me put it out anyway. What
Speaker 1: what is the deal with labels doing that? It's tough.
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't know, it's like a money
Speaker 1: thing because I watched a video about scissors Um album
Speaker 1: never like her album never getting released, and it's because
Speaker 1: her album alone is like without it's a five year
Speaker 1: old album. It's still like the top five female selling
Speaker 1: albums every single year since she released it, and so
Speaker 1: there's no point of them to bring it back. That's
Speaker 1: it's so confounding. I really don't get this damn industry.
Speaker 1: None of it makes sense. It really all abou bottom
Speaker 1: line ship. It's all. It's always about bottom line stuff.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is it seems like it has to
Speaker 1: all be about like, well, if we're gonna put this out,
Speaker 1: it has to immediately recoup, and like I feel like
Speaker 1: the people that are making the decisions on whether or
Speaker 1: not this music is going to be embraced often aren't
Speaker 1: the audience for that music. And so that's I guess
Speaker 1: what's weird about it is it's just like if the
Speaker 1: people that on these labels are like a certain type
Speaker 1: of person, like they're not going to understand especially with music,
Speaker 1: which is so personal and so subjective. It's like like
Speaker 1: you're making decisions about what's gonna work, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's just not it's not your thing. So how could
Speaker 1: you gauge whether or not someone who's like really young
Speaker 1: and a different type of consumer is gonna like this.
Speaker 1: But it seems like they're comfortable doing that all the time.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, I mean, but yeah, her album sounds great
Speaker 1: and I do hope for more for her because I
Speaker 1: think she's a great pop star, like and I've seen
Speaker 1: her live and she's incredible, an amazing voice live and
Speaker 1: she's so amazing. She's speaking of being on dramas and
Speaker 1: not being all to be crazy. I did wrap last
Speaker 1: Friday and night and played Treat Me like a Slut
Speaker 1: out loud, and then just immediately saw the eyes turn
Speaker 1: at me, and I was just like, yeah, fucking stuck
Speaker 1: at I walked outside of my Scottish warehouse was proud. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it might be the first time the Scottish, like countryside,
Speaker 1: the Edinburgh of it all like have heard treat me
Speaker 1: like a slut. I think they were grateful. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I hope. I think I think anyone should
Speaker 1: be grateful to hear treat me like a slut. I
Speaker 1: loved slapt pop. I mean slipt pop was huge for me.
Speaker 1: I I it was. It was a great moment in
Speaker 1: music of this year. I felt, alright, so it's now
Speaker 1: become time. It's time for Josie Todez. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Now that you've had two examples of how absolutely slay
Speaker 1: the format much, you have a fucking seizure. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: but I'd be really happy if you haven't had any
Speaker 1: type of health emergency since you're incredible performance and other
Speaker 1: people and now you're incredible performance today is being accompanied
Speaker 1: by another health hazard. I love it. I know that
Speaker 1: would be amazing. Okay, that would be amazing. Toda a Rosies, Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my I don't think so, honey. I'm Kloy
Speaker 1: Kardashian and Trims Thompson welcome their second baby via surrogate.
Speaker 1: And as a woman, I believe it is very important
Speaker 1: not to comment other women relationships because you just never
Speaker 1: know what's going on inside. However, I'm going to and
Speaker 1: I feel that this is necessary because even though that
Speaker 1: you're welcoming the baby via a surrogate, I think about
Speaker 1: it like the fact that when I was very very young,
Speaker 1: I did get like a slight nose tweak while getting
Speaker 1: a breathing surgery, and which is why I thank God
Speaker 1: that I am trans and I can't have my own
Speaker 1: child because I couldn't bear having my child look like
Speaker 1: me pre nose jobs. And so I'm like, when you
Speaker 1: have this baby, even though it's a surrogate baby, he's
Speaker 1: still going to have the DNA of a cheater and
Speaker 1: it's going to grow up to be as Tristan Thompson is.
Speaker 1: For that, I say that I'm disappointed. Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still wish her all the best, but ultimately I
Speaker 1: kind of just have to say that I feel bad
Speaker 1: for her in that way. And I don't think so honey, period. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I have so many questions about the Kardashian women, and
Speaker 1: but then I don't because I understand why they pick
Speaker 1: who they pick, because none of them are gonna last
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have another media narrative after this. So
Speaker 1: like I think, like it's I think it's entirely it's
Speaker 1: entirely by design that Kim Kardashian is like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: picked Pete Davidson, like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: someone that of course there's an expiration date on it,
Speaker 1: it's Pete. And then like and then we're all watching
Speaker 1: it like maybe this is the one. It's like, let's
Speaker 1: not be dumb, Like they do this on purpose, Like
Speaker 1: Chloe picks this type of guy not because she wants
Speaker 1: to be happy, because she wants to prolong a media narrative.
Speaker 1: I think you think I honestly think that she is
Speaker 1: just a confused queen. Like I truly believe Chloe is
Speaker 1: a good person, and I just everything they miss the
Speaker 1: well it sounds like you're saying she should die. Um No,
Speaker 1: I think that she is good intentioned. I just think
Speaker 1: when I just think she has a really bad attachment
Speaker 1: style and it has gone to her and she is
Speaker 1: crippling anxiety, and she's also very insecure because the world
Speaker 1: sort of does hate her in some ways. It does
Speaker 1: hate on her much more than her other sisters do.
Speaker 1: Because people like love hate on Kim Parnashian, but they
Speaker 1: hate hate Chloe, do they I love hate? No? People
Speaker 1: come for Chloe in her looks really more than they
Speaker 1: do any of her sisters, and even Kim has said that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I guess, I guess I I understand like that
Speaker 1: that's true, But also feel like Chloe is like the
Speaker 1: Kardashian of the people, And I feel like probably the
Speaker 1: hardcore fans of the Kardashians, like gun to their head
Speaker 1: if they had to say who their favorite Kardashian is, Like,
Speaker 1: I bet Chloe would get a ton of maybe even
Speaker 1: a majority of those votes. But then I'm not even
Speaker 1: thinking about like the larger populists that are all familiar
Speaker 1: with them just because of how they exist. And yeah,
Speaker 1: probably her, No, But I agree with you, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a testament to like, when you like let
Speaker 1: people think that they can be your best friend or
Speaker 1: that they can just like say anything to you, it's
Speaker 1: like very welcoming and warm, but it also allows people
Speaker 1: to cross the boundaries and like come for you. So
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it's her fault. We know that,
Speaker 1: we know that, Yeah, what you're saying, But what a
Speaker 1: big week for those at least the three Kardashian sisters
Speaker 1: Canon and clubbing and and courtinate with the whole Megan
Speaker 1: Fox thing, I'm like, what is something's going on just
Speaker 1: in this week alone? I don't know, it's always it's
Speaker 1: always wild. Well, I guess my perspective on it is
Speaker 1: just like whenever I hear they're dating someone new, because
Speaker 1: I'm not, like I'm not like a fan of the Kardashians,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not. It's kind of like you with watching,
Speaker 1: like like I'm aware enough of like what goes on
Speaker 1: with them, like, but every time I hear them dating
Speaker 1: someone new, whether it's Tristan Thompston or Travis Scott or
Speaker 1: Travis Barker or Pete Davidson or like whoever, whoever, I'm
Speaker 1: always just like, not only do they feel interchangeable to me,
Speaker 1: but they're often just like every relationship has the same
Speaker 1: vibe of like like because it's also transient, and if
Speaker 1: you choose to not like like actually think about like
Speaker 1: what their relationships are, like, it all feels the same.
Speaker 1: And if you just sit with it and don't don't
Speaker 1: think about it for like nine months, it will have
Speaker 1: passed and it gets it's like it is filled by
Speaker 1: someone else almost immediately. Even even the Kanye thing, even
Speaker 1: the Kanye thing in the Grand scheme didn't feel like
Speaker 1: it was taking place over that long period of time
Speaker 1: because it was just like, yeah, and I still remember
Speaker 1: her dating Chris Humphries and being married to him. I
Speaker 1: still it's just like they occupy this weird space where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, who are they dating? It's like I
Speaker 1: keep forgetting, But also I always know it's just it's
Speaker 1: this weird thing. I can't really explain it true, I
Speaker 1: just you know, I agree, And it's hard to keep
Speaker 1: up with. And I feel like for most people's mental
Speaker 1: health is probably easiest not to even though it's hard to.
Speaker 1: But I was just saying another interview that I feel
Speaker 1: like Pete's next angle should be like a really hot
Speaker 1: old person like Jane Fonda or like Share Like I
Speaker 1: just feel like that would make the most sense for me,
Speaker 1: or like Selene Dion. Just like that that's where he
Speaker 1: should go, because you can't after him production and you
Speaker 1: kind of have to go like either really old or
Speaker 1: I mean I guess you, yeah, I think really old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't take an infant. Obviously. What's going to happen
Speaker 1: is she's going to reinvent. He's going to have all
Speaker 1: of his tattoos remove he's going to reinvent as a
Speaker 1: Hollywood leading man. He's going to bulk up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think it honestly helps him that he's not
Speaker 1: dating her for when that movie comes out where he's
Speaker 1: like playing that singer pizza good actor. Wait, Joey Ramon,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's Wow. I didn't realize Academy Award nominee here.
Speaker 1: It is coming right around the corner. So listen. Dare
Speaker 1: we say? This was an excellent episode of this podcast,
Speaker 1: and podcast dare we say is going to be one
Speaker 1: that you're gonna want in your immediate rotation. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm imploring all the readers to add this one to
Speaker 1: the damn Q please. I mean play is read away,
Speaker 1: read are read reread the house down Boots, And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful that you guys allowed me on this zoom
Speaker 1: call and I'm so happy to be in the podcast space,
Speaker 1: and I'd love you guys to come. I think we
Speaker 1: accept any time we could. I don't think so, Honey,
Speaker 1: girl boss to this to the sky to the time girls,
Speaker 1: I would love that. That sounds like an incredible opportunity
Speaker 1: for all of us to girl boss to these guys
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to lose at another award show
Speaker 1: with you again. I can't wait and to be And
Speaker 1: by the way, congratulations on your Emmy nom Yes, oh that,
Speaker 1: but see that's already something that I'll lose, that'll lose.
Speaker 1: That's not true in which I no, no, no, take
Speaker 1: the camp take a compliments that you deserve it. But
Speaker 1: also randomly I just realized I just reprimmended you the
Speaker 1: way that I just love it dom that he's kind
Speaker 1: of hot. It was, but something that I thought was
Speaker 1: really funny. I was like, I was filming like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I got a text from my mom
Speaker 1: like when the Emmy noms um came out or whatever,
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, oh, did you did you
Speaker 1: text Bowen? Congrats? And I'm like, I'm not, like that's
Speaker 1: good to friends, but I'm not like super close where
Speaker 1: we texted cangratulations like of course it would DM me
Speaker 1: on Instagram and like swipe up on selling. But and
Speaker 1: then like I didn't respond to her because I was filming,
Speaker 1: And she texted me that night and was like have
Speaker 1: you texted Bowen? Yeah? Now I'm telling you congrats for
Speaker 1: my mother on your nomination. That's very nice and from
Speaker 1: every mom in America COT and congrats. Yeah exactly. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I can't wait to lose at another
Speaker 1: award ceremony with you, with with with both of you,
Speaker 1: and to be neighbor. Banked by Joshua Jackson and jo
Speaker 1: Only Hope. Um, this has been incredible and thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. We're major fans, Um and BO.
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