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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 3: You'll see that's right, okay to this, Yes, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, dude. Have you heard of low

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Speaker 2: background steel?

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Speaker 3: Low background steel?

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Speaker 2: Three words, low background steel.

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Speaker 3: I've heard those words, but not in that string.

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Speaker 4: Pirates South Seas, you know what those are, right, We've

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Speaker 4: got new pirates and they're raging in the South Seas.

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Speaker 4: They don't have like cool fashion and parrots on their

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Speaker 4: shoulders and wouldn't peg legs anymore. Now what they are

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Speaker 4: is they're salvage operators and they're fighting over low background steel.

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Speaker 4: Low background steel is steel that existed and was produced

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Speaker 4: prior to the detonation of the first nuclear bombs in

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Speaker 4: the forties and fifties. So they go down deep into

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Speaker 4: the bottom of the ocean. They fight these ships who

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Speaker 4: sank and they go all in. They fight over these shipwrecks.

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Speaker 4: They're literally trying to get steel out of like rex

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Speaker 4: on the bottom of the sea, and they're they're littered

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Speaker 4: in the South Seas because it's just a lot of rex.

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Speaker 4: So so Chinese South operators, Indonesian stylovage operators, Malaysians, Americans, Australians,

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Speaker 4: anybody who can get a ship with a crane down

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Speaker 4: there is hauling out low low background steel. And I

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Speaker 4: love that because it's one of those things that literally

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Speaker 4: something is valuable because it is does not have our

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is this is like it's one of

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Speaker 4: those like artificial man made debates. No, this is totally different.

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Speaker 4: It transcends that this is like, oh, this is good

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Speaker 4: because the humans are nowhere near this. It is steel

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Speaker 4: which we made.

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Speaker 3: We made. But see my point. I see it and

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: I've got something else that's ridiculous and metal related. Guns. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and roses. Oh sap, this is Ridiculous Crime A podcast

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Speaker 3: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's the one.

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Speaker 3: I love guns and roses. I know you do tell

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Speaker 3: a story fan, not the items.

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Speaker 2: But you do love roses.

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Speaker 3: I I really do love roses. I'm a bit of

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Speaker 3: a rosarian. I grow English roses at my house.

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Speaker 2: You don't be humble, you are one heck of a rosari.

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Speaker 3: But I don't like Guns one bit.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that to the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the band Guns and Roses g n R.

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Speaker 4: As we say the Roses, trump's the Guns like all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, it's fine, love love love.

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Speaker 3: I love them from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Slash may be one of the best

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Speaker 3: lead guitarists of all times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, the guy's amazing. I

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Speaker 4: told you I met him one time in the Four Seasons.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that, yeah, where he answered that he's great.

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Speaker 2: He's everything you'd hope you'd be in person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so let's go through the original lineup please.

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Speaker 3: There's Axel Rose on lead vocal or w Axel Rose

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Speaker 3: as he called himself William Yeah, because his real name

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Speaker 3: is William Rose by the way.

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Speaker 2: Bad Billy Rose.

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Speaker 3: Well. Then he also he went by William Bailey when

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Speaker 3: he took his stepfather's name, Old Bill Bailey. There was

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Speaker 3: that then lead guitarist Slash, who you met as Saul Hudson.

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Speaker 3: You know, his mom was a famous costumer like David Bowie.

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Speaker 3: I did not know that, and his dad was a

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Speaker 3: British artist who designed album covers like for Neil Young.

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Speaker 2: I could totally see his parents.

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Speaker 3: Of the artists though, yes, most definitely. Then there's rhythm

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Speaker 3: guitarist is He Stradlin, Oh your guy? And he was

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Speaker 3: born Jeffrey Dean isbel Isbell interesting the bass player Duff mccagan.

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Speaker 3: He was born Michael Andrew mccagan, and then Steven Adler

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Speaker 2: Now is Duff Beard named after Duff mccagan?

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Speaker 3: Do you think he has said it is?

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Speaker 2: But there's a debate, okay, because I thought I remember

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Speaker 2: somebody saying that. I was like, that can't be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know. Do you like the band?

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Speaker 2: I love the band?

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Speaker 4: I mean, actually I don't love them the way you

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Speaker 4: So I love them, But you won't ever be riding

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Speaker 2: You know that's just not happening.

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Speaker 3: I love the theater of them, yes, completely, And like

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Speaker 3: the hilarious seriousness.

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Speaker 4: Of them, yes, the self seriousness of the Chinese democracy.

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Speaker 3: The drama of it all. That's what I love. And

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Speaker 3: I think about how When they first came out, everything

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Speaker 3: People were listening to Deaf Leopard and Sugar on me. Fluffy.

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Speaker 3: Everything was fluffy, big hair, don't care exactly. And then

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Speaker 3: Guns and Roses was so dark.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that la rock, which they shifted because the

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Speaker 4: Big Hair kind of took over, and all of a

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Speaker 3: Like the CD Underbelly.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles vibe.

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Speaker 3: You like the sinister, sinister and menacing. I love that

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Speaker 3: it's challenging. I like to be challenged. So Guns and

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Speaker 3: Roses comes along. They changed the landscape. Hair metal got gritty.

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Speaker 3: Hair metal was also openly admitting to doing heroin as

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Speaker 3: they were aka mister Brownstone. Okay, then everything they handed

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Speaker 3: it off to grunge, grunged it even more. Heroin, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the Heroin. But in that beautiful moment, there was this

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Speaker 3: band that started off Hollywood sleezy, then snowballed into overwrought,

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Speaker 2: Also, they were really a mountain peak of the video

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, let's talk about those videos. November rain strange,

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Speaker 3: forget about it. Who else could produce something so insane, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I will never forget the shot of Slash walking out

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Speaker 3: Axel Rose swims with dolphins in the estranged video.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, it's amazing. And they all are also

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Speaker 2: the terminator to one where they do the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, were Theynold Swartz and neg of them going around

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Speaker 4: Hollywood like like I don't know, like he's their buddy,

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Speaker 3: Well, then they have this incredible, like he sayss the

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Speaker 3: mountaintop of videos, and then they fizzled. Yes, and they're

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, enough of them would be enough that they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's three of the five. But they'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't have the energy for it too.

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Speaker 3: No, are they on occasion problematic? Sure?

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Speaker 2: On occasion, on occasion they're not.

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Speaker 3: Probably we all have problematic face. Guns and roses have

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Speaker 3: had their share of legal troubles over the years. Oh

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Speaker 3: I bet, criminal, civil, you name it. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there's not just one big one. So I developed

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Speaker 3: a list for you and Melonge.

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Speaker 2: I love at Buffet of Crime.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to rank them. I mean, how could

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Speaker 3: I know? These are just my favorites from the many

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Speaker 3: many to choose from.

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Speaker 2: How could you?

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Speaker 3: I am going to start small and work my way up. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So with that, I say, welcome to the jungles erin

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Speaker 3: compiling a list of guns n' roses, crimes.

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Speaker 2: All the funny game.

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Speaker 3: It's so easy. Yes, I'm just going to be putting

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Speaker 3: song lyrics and titles throughout this whole thing. You've been warned.

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Speaker 3: You ain't the first. No one's gonna know what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about. So let's start with the guitarist about as

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Speaker 3: talented as Slash is he Stradlin. You know how Johnny

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Speaker 3: Depp desperately wants to be Keith Richards?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Is he pulled that off a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, he's like the JV if Keith Richards

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Speaker 2: He's the JD. You're like, oh, that guy totally.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember our air rage episode took a dump

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Speaker 3: Is he came a little close to that?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There he was boarding a plane in Indianapolis headed

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Speaker 3: Phoenix and then he'd be back in the decadent arms

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Speaker 2: Well he doesn't even have a NonStop flight. No.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that's exactly what I thought when I was

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Speaker 3: writing this out. So it's August twenty seventh, nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is like boom yeah, and there they

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Speaker 3: They are touring in support of their breakout album, Appetite

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Speaker 3: for Destruction. That ep lies the one that gave us

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Speaker 3: the hit song Patients, as well as the incredibly offensive

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Speaker 3: been attempting to apologize for for the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 2: He always said, back then, it was a character. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean I've grown up in America like that's been

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Speaker 3: And this is this character who comes off the bus

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Speaker 4: It's the difference between did you accidentally step on my

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Speaker 2: He accidentally skept on my foot. I get it.

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Speaker 3: So there's Izzy, rhythm guitarist for one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: LA all right. The band was on a break between tours.

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Speaker 3: He had gone to Indianapolis to see his family, and

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Speaker 3: that day had already been a pretty crappy one for him.

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Speaker 3: He'd been bitten in the face by a dog at

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Speaker 2: He's saying the word in the face in his face.

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Speaker 3: Else after that, it's there he is, you know, he's

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Speaker 3: got he's got a chewed up face. He goes to

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Speaker 3: the airport and he gets bumped from first class to coach.

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Speaker 3: That's insult to injury right there.

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Speaker 4: Why is the manager doing him like this? He got

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Speaker 4: him on a not a NonStop flight. He's got to

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Speaker 4: stop him. What Phoenix, you said, Phoenix. He's now getting bumped.

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Speaker 4: I mean he didn'tn't even have a first class seat.

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Speaker 3: And I've had I've had flights that stopped in Phoenix

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Speaker 2: He had the middle seat, right.

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Speaker 3: what Slash had to say though, quote he couldn't get

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Speaker 3: by starting a supergroup called Velvet Revolver that was in

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Speaker 3: The worst taste in fashion. Axle and Axl's like, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 2: It stuck on somebody's crass because it had no impact.

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Speaker 3: Slash Oh. And it had a lot of apparently velvet

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Speaker 4: I wonder if Guitar Hero has like the Madden Curse,

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Speaker 3: So there was like a Slash character in the game.

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Speaker 4: Just saying that sent it out loud. I'm so mad

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Speaker 3: Well, So mixing these two of Slash and like being

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Speaker 4: I imagine they also licensed don't So I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: Or also he just didn't have to take the money.

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Speaker 3: Well, don't cry, Axel, yuh huh. Sue just sue. Fast

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Speaker 4: Division, your honor, we would like to defend it, to

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Speaker 3: Three years. I mean it's fourteen years of silence. Fourteen

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Speaker 3: Axel said it took three years because he'd been into

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Speaker 3: Amazing. It's just like shooting up. You should stay alive, yeah, basically,

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Speaker 3: and nobody gets out. So there was no lawsuit with

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Speaker 2: And was that really the album or just an album

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Speaker 3: I think it just got you know what I mean? Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was the songs that we

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Speaker 3: It had been more than a decade since the band

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Speaker 3: There was another lawsuit in two thousand and six involving Slash,

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Speaker 3: he protects that copyright. Let's take a break, and look

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he has.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome, greetings.

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Speaker 2: Hello, are you Elizabeth Dunnan?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I know you. I am telling you very niche

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Speaker 2: I love it. You're so happy.

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Speaker 3: You're probably not going to be very popular. There's a

440
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Speaker 3: company in Colorado called Oscar Blues Brewery. Okay, and they

441
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 3: said they are the original craft beer in a can?

442
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 2: What?

443
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 5: Like?

444
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: Why would you want to tell people that.

445
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 3: Was two thousand and two that they did that. I

446
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: checked and Sierra Nevada didn't start offering pale al and

447
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 3: cans until twenty fourteen.

448
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: But who cares?

449
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 4: As somebody who drinks pale als often and specifically Sierra

450
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 4: Nevada and probably would drink this whatever fine brew they make.

451
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's in a can or a

452
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,719
Speaker 4: ball like at no point, am I all Seriah?

453
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 2: Fine? Care?

454
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: The original craft beer in a can?

455
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

456
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: Well congratulations? Am I telling you I'm the original Zera but.

457
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: Not the third? Well I'm telling you any of this.

458
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: Isn't this an episode about guns n' roses? Yes, well

459
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 3: it's Oh no, it's about to be an episode about

460
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 3: guns and Rose.

461
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: Okay, wait is this a mashup?

462
00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: Did you speak a mash up?

463
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Speaker 5: Here?

464
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 3: From the Oscar Blues website, why make a rose ale?

465
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: Rose is in demand, with sales increasing by fifty three

466
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 3: percent last year. A rose ale can help bring more

467
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 3: women and wine drinkers into the o B fold Rose Yeah,

468
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 3: whimmers and wine drinkers. Rose beer in a convenient, recyclable

469
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 3: can captures craft drinker's sense of eco consciousness as well

470
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: as their desire for an on the go beverage. Guns

471
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: and Rose six percent is a crisp rose style ale

472
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: brewed with prickly pear and hibiscus. Beer drinkers and wine drinkers.

473
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 3: Folks who have historically drawn territorial lines down the middle

474
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 3: of liquor stores will find common ground within Guns and Rose.

475
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 3: Shake hands, bump fists, and share a toast tart sticky

476
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: prickly pear and so sticky prickly and floral hibiscus band

477
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: together with a subtle hop profile in this refreshing spritzy

478
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: rose beer. Skip the fancy stemware.

479
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: Other than you who reads this stuff, just me like

480
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 4: like they write, these things are for the marketing squirrel.

481
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: And you know who reads this, Axel Rose.

482
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: Because the whole fifty Rose sales don't know, fifty three

483
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: percent last year?

484
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: Who were you talking there? Website?

485
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm not going to drink something because it's sales went up.

486
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: They're good. When you click it on their website, that's

487
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: the top.

488
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: But like a marketing thing, everyone scrolls past that stuff, right, No,

489
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: but no us read that right, so it's all Exel.

490
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: Just tell me. If it's guns in Rose, then I

491
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: want the rose.

492
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: August twenty eighteenth, Oscar Blues filed a trademark application for

493
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 3: guns and Rose. That's September. This sounds like if you're

494
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: drunk at a concert trying to buy tickets in the price.

495
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: You know what, Canada, you never let me do what

496
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: I want.

497
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: Everybody. That September, the Federal Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Trade

498
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: Bureau TTB approved the black and pink label for guns

499
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: and Rose.

500
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Sure why not.

501
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: There was speculation at the time the brewery was putting this,

502
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: like doing this as a really obvious publicity stunt. They

503
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 3: knew it was a they knew it was a copyright violation,

504
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: but they were just going to do it to get attention.

505
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: They just wanted to get publicity because Axel sued them.

506
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because no, no, no, they hadn't been sued yet.

507
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: No, no, but that was their plan, is We're going

508
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: to do this and then we'll get sued. People will

509
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: right about it. Like the New York Post in the past.

510
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: They filed a trademark application for the Queen of Beers.

511
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Yea once again wanted to get sued by bud wall.

512
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they abandoned that application.

513
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: When Budweiser didn't bite.

514
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: Axel didn't like any of this stuff.

515
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: Because Axe was a fighter.

516
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: So he says, boys, round them up.

517
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: Was he from like Indiana, Indiana? Yeah, I think he's

518
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 4: from He's somewhere where they'll fight.

519
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is Indiana. Yeah, I'm pretty sure

520
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: it's Indiana. So he gathers his boys, Slash and.

521
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: Duff oh gets the team back to you.

522
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is twenty eighteen, and they're on good term.

523
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: I didn't say the band, Yeah, the team.

524
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: So December twenty eighteen, the band's business manager called the

525
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: breweries CEO, and the manager asked the brewery to pull

526
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: the product and the merch because call yeah, he's like,

527
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: the CEO said, now.

528
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Like that.

529
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: Then the band's lawyer sent a cease and assist letter

530
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: to Oscar Blues and its founder Dale Katachis, I'm saying

531
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: that wrong. I'm positive ketch a kiss?

532
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: How about that?

533
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: Catch a kiss? Dale k. This is what the seasoned

534
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: assist letter said, quote GNR has earned widespread recognition by

535
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: virtue of the band's remarkable success and thirty year existence.

536
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: GNR owns and has registered the name and trademark Guns

537
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: and Roses, and of course it's guns Roses in various countries.

538
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: Are there aposts on both sides.

539
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: Of the following it guns? I'm just wondering guns Roses

540
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: in various countries, including the United States, for use with closing,

541
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: closing clothing, musical sound recordings, and musical performances.

542
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: All right, there it.

543
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: Is, Take it on. Then they went one step further

544
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: and they contested the TTB label approval.

545
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

546
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 3: Then the lawyer for Oscar Blues the Brewery wrote back.

547
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: She sat down with a feather quill pen. She said

548
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: they were disputing the band's ownership of the trademark, at

549
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 3: least as far as the Booze was concerned. Because trademarks

550
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: are for specific genres of products and services. The lawyer said,

551
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 3: that is assumption. Yeah, so the lawyers like, guess what,

552
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: you guys don't sell beer, we do.

553
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 5: Haha.

554
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: This is what her letters says.

555
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: And you've probably also mentioned you've never sold beer in

556
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: the past. You wouldn't want to reserve this one, right.

557
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: So this is she writes a letter that's just like

558
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: soaked in beer, you open out the leave so happy.

559
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: This is what her letter said. Quote. Oscar Blues named

560
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: its beer Guns and Rose as a reference to the

561
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: fact that it's beer in a rose style ale with

562
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: a crisp profile. There are other alcohol beverage beverage producers

563
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: using the same name, including at least two guns and Roses,

564
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: Guns and Rosees, excuse me, whines. We believe that Oscar

565
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: Blues beer can similarly no exist without creating any likelihood

566
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: of confusion or dilution of gnr's marks. We trust that

567
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: our response above resolves this matter.

568
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: So they're saying, basically, there's these other wines that are

569
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: rosees and you're cool with them, but you're not cool

570
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 4: with a rose beer.

571
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: Right, it can be doubled up?

572
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: What's up? Axel?

573
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: Axel's like, wait there are wines like, that's what I'm thinking.

574
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: So she's just like good day, sir. And then February

575
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, they start selling the beer. They promote it

576
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 3: heavily on social media. March thirteenth, twenty nineteen, they get

577
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: another letter from the GNR legal team, another season desist.

578
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: This time they said that GNR is a quote famous trademark.

579
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: And so their letters said, quote, we do not accept

580
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: the explanation that Oscar Blues named its product guns and

581
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: Rose based solely on the alleged color and taste profile

582
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: of its beer. There are many words that Oscar Blues

583
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: could have used to identify the purported rose style a

584
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: of its beer, and that's in quote the rose style

585
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: am Oscar Blues specifically chose to use a variation of

586
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: gn r's famous trademark instead.

587
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: I think they should also mentioned and the beer sucks and.

588
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: It tastes like booty according to the Trademark Act of

589
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: Well Prickly Pair.

590
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just saying, I'm not imagining that that's going

591
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: to come together into great Mouthfield.

592
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: So there's the Trademark Act of nineteen forty six. Yes,

593
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: a trademark is quote famous if it's known by the

594
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: public at large.

595
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, um familiar.

596
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah so, and they get more protection than regular ones.

597
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of things that come under

598
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: that canopy McDonald's, Disney this. Yeah, but guns, roses, you know,

599
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 3: it's a tough one point counterpoint. Here's how the lawyers

600
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: for Oscar Blues replied, quote, we are in receipt of

601
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: your March thirteenth letter, and these are so saucy back

602
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: and forth. We were surprised to receive it as it

603
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: came almost two months after our January twenty second response.

604
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: During that two axles just late, the band goes all right,

605
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: axles late. We were surprised to receive it as it

606
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: came almost two months Okay, blah blah blah. During that

607
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: two month interval, my client reasonably believed that our correspondence

608
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: had allayed your client's concerns and continued with its plan

609
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: to release its guns and rose beer. We see no

610
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: evidence that your client has reached a level of fame

611
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: to warrant the extraordinary remedies of the Trademark diluci Revision

612
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: Act of two thousand and six. We furthermore note that

613
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: your client's delay in responding to our letter, especially in

614
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: light of its knowledge that Oscar Blues was planning to

615
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: release the Guns and Rose beer in cans in February

616
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, has caused significant prejudice to Oscar Blues. Had

617
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: my client known prior to that release that your client

618
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: had continued objections, it could have considered other arrangements. At

619
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: this point, rebranding and repackaging its beer requires significant time,

620
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: effort and expense.

621
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: So a lot of lawyers speak for essentially what kids

622
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: say when they say, my dad could beat up your

623
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: dad totally, but my client could beat up your client.

624
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: And like, I know you guys are famous, but your

625
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: not that the character assassination.

626
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I just pictured Axel Rose lying in the

627
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: street murdered by that show.

628
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: Across the Andre always protections sir.

629
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: Good What are they going to do? Lawsuit? Of course,

630
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: they filed suit requesting damages, and their lawsuit, the band

631
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: said Oscar Blues quote should not be entitled to continue

632
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: to sell infringing products and intentionally trade on gnr's goodwill,

633
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: prestige and fame without gnr's approval, license, or consent. I

634
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: love the band's goodwill. Yeah, the goodwill Ambassadors quite frankly, we.

635
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Have a lot of goodwill. It's like social capital, and

636
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: we're banking shot.

637
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: At the goodwill. Oscar Blues filed for more TTB labels

638
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: for the same beer, but these were called Cano Blush

639
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: and Rose all Day and the tagline was heavy metal

640
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: band B A N N E D. So they're going

641
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: to just milk that of like, hey, we're not allowed

642
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: to be guns and Rose. Wow, so now we're Cano Blush.

643
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: I don't want any of this.

644
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: No, So the lawsuit was eventually settled. There was a

645
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: written agreement in.

646
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: The case of the market for the I have to

647
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: athlete wine.

648
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Mom out there is like, oh my god, there's GNR Rose.

649
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: It's Cheryl. We're partying this week.

650
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: Because you know what, you're going down to the lake

651
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: and you're gonna get sunburned. But they already they have drinks.

652
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: They'd like, do you want.

653
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Everyone looking for GNR Rose?

654
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: Do you want everyone to just see the Like they

655
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: want to see you drink in the Guns and Rose.

656
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: They want to see the barbed wire tattoo on your

657
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: bicep and know that at one point you were edgy, But.

658
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: They already have the Mconaete tequila for that. They're like, look,

659
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: I have a distinguished aging dirt bag.

660
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: Got to mix it up. You got to mix it up.

661
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: There was a written agreement, cases dismissed, case dismiss no

662
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: word on the details of the settlement, and the beer

663
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: still on the market, so I'm going to buy you some.

664
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, I.

665
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: Have it chipped out, you know, speaking of guns n' roses,

666
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: guns roses, Jack Daniels.

667
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, speaking of And this is just.

668
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: This doesn't legal lawsuits, no, but this just has to

669
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: do with copyright, because the Supreme Court recently sided with

670
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: Jack Daniels in a lawsuit over a dog toy parodying

671
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: their iconic liquor bottle. The lower court said the toy

672
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: was covered by the First Amendment's free speech protections, but

673
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: the Supremes.

674
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Liquor bottled dog toy.

675
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: They said that Jack Daniel's trademark stands. You can still

676
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: buy the toy. It looks like a bottle for Jack Daniels, like.

677
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: The uncle that you have is a special uncle, so

678
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: his dog can have a bottle.

679
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: Toe and everyone's going to check they got match bottle porch.

680
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: So on the front it says bad Spaniels in the

681
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: in the same front old number two instead of old

682
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: number seven. Son't on your Tennessee carpet, that's what it says.

683
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: So that went to the Supreme Court. That's important.

684
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: She just gone to the trash heap, right.

685
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: But I have another lawsuits were plastic. There's a lawsuit

686
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: relating to govern Roses. This one's out of Houston, Texas,

687
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: actually Jersey Village, Texas. It's a in the Houston metro area.

688
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: In Jersey Village. There's a store they sell. They sell rifles,

689
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: they sell AR fifteen's, they sell bullets, they sell something else.

690
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: To a convenience store, they sell something else there Rose

691
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: Guns and Roses. They are a gun shop and florist

692
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: combined and they call themselves Texas Guns and Roses. They

693
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: have a website, Texasgunsnroses dot com.

694
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: So it literally is like garden and gun, but they

695
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: are but Guns and Roses. Well.

696
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: The store initially tried to register their name as a trademark,

697
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: Texas Guns and Roses in twenty fourteen, but they weren't successful,

698
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: and they tried again in twenty sixteen, but that time

699
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: they got it. The store is not officially registered as

700
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: a flower shop. I should add they have a tab

701
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: for roses on the website. So a basic dozen long

702
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: stem roses is ninety five dollars and there's a two

703
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: toned centerpiece for forty bucks, yellow hand opened imported roses

704
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: for sixty five, and pink ones for seventy five. The

705
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: place has thousands of guns and AMMO items in stock,

706
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: and then four rose options, and like, you know, I

707
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: really hate guns, so imagine how I felt having to

708
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: peruse a gun site. I'll keep my comments to myself,

709
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: but I will say that I am with Duff of

710
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: Guns Roses, who used to write a column for Vice,

711
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: and in one of them he called for common sense

712
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: gun laws, something the folks that Texas Guns and Roses

713
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: didn't like.

714
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: Well, I would like to say, as somebody just speaking

715
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: of for the gun owners of the world, you can

716
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: be a gun owner and also believe in common sense

717
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: gun laws exactly.

718
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: There's not like, oh, you have to take a side on.

719
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: This, exactly. But Duff called for common sense gun laws,

720
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: So I'm right there with you.

721
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I am too sense.

722
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: That's thus the name common sense. So I'm not just

723
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: guessing that Texas Guns and Roses didn't like it because

724
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: they have a section on their website under under firearms

725
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: news and they're very much against any restrictions on.

726
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: That's unfortunately the message you most people get about the Yeah.

727
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So twenty nineteen, when the band found out about

728
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: the shop's existence, they sent a ceasy and assist, and

729
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: when that was ignored, they filed a petition with the

730
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: US Patent and Trade Office's Trademark Trial and Appeal Board

731
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: to cancel the Texas Guns and Roses trademark registration. And

732
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: then the band filed a lawsuit. I mean, they just

733
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: run up legal fees like nobody.

734
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being his lawyer? You stay business?

735
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh god, GNR, This is what it's quote from their lawsuit.

736
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: GNR quite reasonably does not want to be associated with

737
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: defendant of Firearms and Weapons Retailer. Furthermore, defendant espouses political

738
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: views related to the regulation and control of firearms and

739
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: weapons on the website that may be polarizing to many

740
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: US customers, So they still want to be associated. They

741
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: don't want to be confused with the business avice.

742
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: They don't want people to Oh maybe Daffo.

743
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: Axel took a look at the store's assets and thought

744
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: you could be mine.

745
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: Hey, I like to pause and look at it like

746
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: everybody get stung by the scorpion.

747
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on?

748
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: This is what the shop's lawyer said. Quote There's never

749
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: been any confusion and they have no evidence of confusion.

750
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: This is an attempt to run up costs and burn

751
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: us out. Our client sells metal safes for guns and

752
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: flowers and have a one stop shop, one stop website,

753
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: and absolutely no one is confused. Nobody thinks we're the

754
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: ban and there is some affiliation. We will be fighting back.

755
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: Do you think that Axel's lawyer like goes around like

756
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: on trips with his family and then he sees like

757
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: a gun star and he goes and it's like, have

758
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: you ever thought about selling roses? Planted? Business going?

759
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: Let's keep it going. So all this lawsuit business went

760
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: down in December of twenty twenty two, and I can't

761
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: find anything on it.

762
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: Sence settled.

763
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: So I suppose it's still making its way through the court.

764
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a break and when we come back, we

765
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: will quote get in the ring with one last time

766
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: the daddy of them all, Hey, saren, Yes, yeah, son

767
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: of a I've done some Riot episodes recently. I could

768
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: have used this next one, but I wanted to save

769
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: it for a GNR grab bag. Okay, that's why. In

770
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, Guns Roses was touring in support of

771
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: their Use Your Illusion double album. Okay, yes, they were

772
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: the biggest rock band in the world at the time,

773
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: and of course throughout the tour the band was fighting

774
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: in rhythm guitarists was about to quit. This was an

775
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 3: enormous production. They had backup singers, keyboards, horn section, and

776
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: in addition to their rotating lineup of opening acts Sound Garden,

777
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: Smashing Pumpkins, Body Count, nine Inch Nails, Motorhead, skid Row,

778
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Faith No More, just to name You Crazy, they have

779
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: a bunch of special guests pop up at shows along

780
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: the way. Lenny Kravitz, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry from Aerosmith,

781
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: Brian May from Queen, and Ronnie Wood from the Rolling Stones.

782
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: Huh So, huge ramps were created so Axel Rose could

783
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: run back and forth while singing.

784
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: I thought to get Ronnie Woods up on the.

785
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: Stage wheel him out exactly each night after the show,

786
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: Axel would throw these really lavish theme parties backstage. Uh

787
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: huh theme parties.

788
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, appetite.

789
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: You have one for destruction. According to Slash, this was

790
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: one of the reasons that tours were not lucrative for

791
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: the band.

792
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: The party. Yeah.

793
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: Most other bands rake in money on tour, That's how

794
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 3: they survived. Axel Rose blew most of the tour money

795
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: while on tour. Everything was just extravagant and the tour was,

796
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: of course a wild one. It started in May of

797
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one and the albums didn't come out until

798
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: that September. They were supposed to come out at the

799
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: same time, they got delayed because of that. The sound

800
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: of fans chanting getting the ring at the start of

801
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: the tour was able to be added to the song

802
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: of the same name on User Illusion too. There was

803
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: a documentary filmmaker who toured with the band. He captured

804
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: footage that was used in later videos, but footage was

805
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: also supposed to be released as a documentary titled The

806
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: Perfect Crime.

807
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Da Pennebaker Want to Be I don't know the name.

808
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: This would be stuff of them on the road, concert

809
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: footage and information about major events that happened on the tour.

810
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: Maybe the theme parties. Yeah, it was never released, and

811
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: nobody talked about it after.

812
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: They pretend it never happened.

813
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: So exactly, I'm forbidden. On June thirteenth, nineteen ninety one,

814
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: the band played Philadelphia. The band had a photographer, Robert John, but.

815
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: Not the movie The City Okay.

816
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: They played the song by Bruce springste Philadelphia. It was

817
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 3: so moving. This guy, this photographer, Robert John, Bob John,

818
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: he went everywhere with them. He was taking photos of

819
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: the show when a fan got into a tussle with

820
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: him with Bob John John. The fan kicked the camera

821
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: out of Bob John's hands, and Axel saw the whole thing,

822
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: and instead of alerting security, Axel stopped the song and

823
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: cursed the guy out and then challenged him to a fight.

824
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Did he jump into this into the crowd.

825
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: Get in the ring? Not on this one.

826
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: You remember the foot jumping into the one guy my.

827
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: Fan gets tossed out. The show continues. Most of the

828
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: shows were pretty chaotic, and that the band always went

829
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: on super late. That's what happened when I saw them

830
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: with metallicas they were very.

831
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: Much the last of the super groups with that vibe of.

832
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, just as everyone's getting restless and so here

833
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: they are these chaotic bands. They're going on one, two,

834
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: two and a half hours late, so you're just standing there.

835
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: Rose irerupted just lost it after a fan fought with

836
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: Bob John so high.

837
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: On ditch weed and pants too tight and he's just

838
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: like angry.

839
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: So this is just ginning up as we're going. July second,

840
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: the tour rolled into Marylyn Heights, Missouri, outside of Saint Louis.

841
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: They were set to play the Riverport Amphitheater there. Zarino, Yeah,

842
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. You are the drum

843
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: tech for the band skid Row. They're opening for Guns

844
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: and Roses on this segment of the User Illusion tour.

845
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: You're not really a gn R fan, you much prefer

846
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: holl And Oates, But a gig's a gig, it pays

847
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: well and you get to see some craziness. You've just

848
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: cleared off skid Rose equipment with all the other roadies

849
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: and are now organizing cables off to the side of

850
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 3: the stage. The crowd is anxiously waiting for Guns N' Roses.

851
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: Tonight's show is running suspiciously well. The band is actually

852
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: in the wings about to go on, not shooting up

853
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: or snorting rails in the dressing room for hours. The

854
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: stage lights go down and the crowd loses its collective mind. You,

855
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: of course, are careful with your hearing, so you're wearing earplugs,

856
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: so everything's a little bit muffled. The scream of Slash's

857
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: guitar cuts through the crowd noise, and for the next

858
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: hour and a half the band performs all their hits

859
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: plus songs from the upcoming albums. I mean, it's all

860
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: a muffled blur to you, but you can pick out

861
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: the songs here and there. The best place to see

862
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: a show is from the side of the stage, as

863
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: I will tell you, and you have the perfect vantage point.

864
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: You see Axel Rose sprinting back and four and imagine

865
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: the sound of squeaking sneakers on a gym floor. You

866
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: crack yourself up with this. One of the band's assistants

867
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: looks at you questioningly. You wave them off and shake

868
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: your head. Axel's wearing an incredible outfit tonight. By the way,

869
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: He's got a rob halford leather daddy biker German officer

870
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: hat on, a black shaggy fau for balero jacket, no shirt,

871
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: a giant black cross pendant, white spandex biker shorts very

872
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: tight of course, white socks and what are either black

873
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: hiking boots or black high top sneakers? Who used to say?

874
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: Also who knows? Who cares? There's slash in short shorts

875
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: also with no shirt, black high tops and a top hat.

876
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: You're impressed with Matt Sarm's playing. He's a good studio.

877
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: You think to yourself, these guys are good, but they're

878
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: no Billy Joel.

879
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: No.

880
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: You also think to yourself, he.

881
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: Said you got a hub human metronome. Good on you.

882
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: They do have one song you like, Rocket Queen. You've

883
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: been waiting for that one to come on, and you're

884
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: eager to do some toe tapping. They haven't played it recently,

885
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: but you feel like tonight might be the night. Your

886
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: thong underwear is riding up, so you readjust yourself and

887
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: have a seat on a speaker. Yes, sorry, your edible's

888
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 3: song underwear is writing. A runner brings you the beat

889
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: salad you ordered earlier, and you tuck in while the

890
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: band gets ready to start a new song. Rocket Queen,

891
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: you are so excited you fling a little beat stained

892
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: goat cheese onto your acid washed jeans. Right next to

893
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: the coconut ice cream stain from earlier damnation. The song

894
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 3: is in full boar by now, and then you see

895
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 3: Axel yelling something at the crowd, not singing, but yelling.

896
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: You pull out your earplugs to listen. In he went

897
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: from screeching falsetto to deep Indiana man in an instant.

898
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Nice take that, take that, get that guy, and take that.

899
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: You look over and you see some confused security guards.

900
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: Then Axel shouts, I'll take it, goddamn it, and with

901
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: that he dives into the crowd. You stand up. This

902
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: is highly unprecedented. Hall and Oates would never the guitars slow.

903
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: This guitar is slow. And then stop. There's confusion on

904
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: the ground. A circle forms around something going on down there.

905
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: Suddenly you see Axel hatless and ginger hair aflame. He

906
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: gets up from the ground and proceeds to punch a fan. Nice,

907
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: you've seen enough. Care you head outside and hail a cab.

908
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: You can't work under these conditions, Erin, I'm out of here.

909
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: But you have no idea how lucky you are to

910
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: have left when you did.

911
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I may give me a reason to quit.

912
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: It's about to get completely out of control.

913
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Oh really.

914
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: Once lifted back onto the stage, Axel takes his mic

915
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: and yells, well, thanks to the lame ass security, I'm

916
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: going home. He then punctuated that by spiking the microphone

917
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: like a football in an end zone, so it was

918
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: like more than a mic drop.

919
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like winds all loud and were with that.

920
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: He storms off the stage in big strides slash, looked

921
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: at the crowd, then set into his mic. We're right here,

922
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: and off he went. Can I tell you that this

923
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: is my Zapruder film? Like I've watched it so many times.

924
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: For this episode, I've slowed it down. I've gone frame

925
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: by frame in reverse. I don't think I'd ever seen

926
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: it before, but it's amazing.

927
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Back into the left back.

928
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: Why did Axel jump off the stage? It turns out

929
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: a member of the audience had a camera, and this

930
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: was before cell phones, so photos from shows were rare.

931
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and for hot ticket like this, the photos

932
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: could be worth a lot. Axel saw a camera and

933
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 3: it was like he saw a company trying to take

934
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: a to name their product after his band, Red Flag

935
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: Baby Alert Alert.

936
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: Give me a team of lawyers, He keep put on.

937
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: His invisible lawyers who had the camera. It was a

938
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: member of the Saddle Tramps. What it's a motorcycle club

939
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, Okay, Saddle Tramps.

940
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: He was right there on the tramps and saddle together,

941
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: and I was like.

942
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: Where to God, one of these days I'm going to

943
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 3: get mirked by a biker from one of these gangs

944
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: whose name I mom, Well, the.

945
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Saddle Trams makes it sound.

946
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: It's like a nineteen forties gang, girls gang and they're

947
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: riding like low boy Harley's that they got from like

948
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: the war effort, like this old military surplus and they're

949
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: out there tram with that with their hair all done

950
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: up in like the curler style, you know, those big

951
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: round front But what does they even call like when

952
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: they have the bangs with the big rounds whatever that.

953
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Liberty rolls, they got the Liberty rolls that

954
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: are out there. Oh no, Saddle Tramps.

955
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: They're not a club, they're a gang. No, they've been

956
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: busted in a meth manufacturing ring. Like, yeah, they're very

957
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: much one percent the Yeah, they got busted for a

958
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: meth manufacturing ring. Not too long Wow, far from the lion,

959
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: which means that they're out there and they're going to

960
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: hear us.

961
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: And I'm been coming for you. They're going to contact

962
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: the Pagans and everybody else come after you, mrked.

963
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: I tell you. They do have a Facebook page, so

964
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: like I don't have Facebook, so I couldn't read the content.

965
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 3: But who boy, I feel like Facebook takes a little

966
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: b edge off. You're not that tough, and I like

967
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: to imagine they just like repost memes about wife wives

968
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: nagging them or like foreign propaganda anti vax articles. I

969
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: am making a lot of friends today.

970
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

971
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: So the saddle tramps on their guys was the one

972
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: with the camera at the show.

973
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: Oh wait, this is actually a guy gang.

974
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a guy gang, a boy gang, motorcycle boys,

975
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: the saddle Tramps trampy boys. Yeah, one of the wises,

976
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 3: the one with the camera, which one of their guys,

977
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: the leader, Yeah, the leader of the pack. Yeah, Bill

978
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: Stump Stevenson stop Stump. Yes, Stump got into it with

979
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: Axel and then Axel declares the show over. The lights

980
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: came up and music started playing over the house sound system,

981
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: but the audience was not ready to leave, not by Axel.

982
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: In Biker Shorts jumps into a crowd to get in

983
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: a fight with a biker about the camera he's taking.

984
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 4: He's taking photos of him with and he doesn't ever

985
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: be like.

986
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: Can I see the photos? You know?

987
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: He just just and he did. He was swinging on him.

988
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: I know, I remember, I think I kind of remember

989
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: the image of the jumping memories.

990
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the MTV news flashes.

991
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: Totally, so people didn't want to leave lights through up.

992
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: The music's on, they start throwing things. A gn R

993
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: Roady came out on this stage and he was wearing

994
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: rainbow tights, a bunch of bracelets, and he taunted the

995
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 3: crowd by grabbing himself and making Lewde gestures. So there's

996
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: a really great article in Billboard that marked the band's

997
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: return to Saint Louis after twenty six years. Oh, Daniel Dirtchell,

998
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: because they were banned. You can't come back after what

999
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm about to talk to you about. Daniel Dirt Schultz

1000
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: and Thomas Crone they worked for the alternative weekly paper

1001
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: Riverfront Times in nineteen ninety one, and they were at

1002
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: the concert. In the article, they provided what they called

1003
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: quote mental snapshots of the evening. So let me read

1004
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: them to you please. A man naked to the waist

1005
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: with a gash on his shoulder and blood running down

1006
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: his face broke free from the donny Brook down front

1007
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: and ran up the aisle. Another man, his head taped

1008
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: to a stretcher, was carried out. Police summoned to the

1009
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: venue by a disaster level Code one thousand ringed the stage,

1010
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: and some from the crowd unwisely chose to challenge them.

1011
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: Code three pass code four We got One.

1012
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: Was tackled and beaten on the knees, further enraging the audience,

1013
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: which chanted you pigs. Two young men in front of

1014
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: us stomped their seats to pieces. One of them flung

1015
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: the flat portion towards the stage Frisbee Lake, where it

1016
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: crashed into the forehead of a security guard, who later

1017
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: required numerous stitches. The bros laughed and high fived each other.

1018
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: A fire hose was rolled out on stage, the idea

1019
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: being to blast anyone who dared try and break the

1020
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: cops perimeter. Unbeknownst to them, there was almost no water pressure.

1021
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: One man jumped on stage and stepped into the ineffective stream,

1022
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: then pulled down his pants and waved his penis at

1023
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: the cops. I got one too, folks. It looks like

1024
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: we got ourselves a goal, good old fashioned riot, just

1025
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: like I like. So the cops eventually gave up and

1026
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: left the arena to the rioters. Oh well we can't,

1027
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: so like I've had enough. So the rioters tore down

1028
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: the rigging, they dang from cables, they pulled down video monitors,

1029
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: they yanked sapling trees from the ground out front. Oh,

1030
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: and then of course they set things on fire.

1031
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 4: Of course, Well I forget that. There's a lot of

1032
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: expensive step on stage, and they're like, oh, thanks for

1033
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: the toys.

1034
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they beat each other silly with his stuff.

1035
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: The cops regrouped and surrounded the arena. They finally had reinforcements,

1036
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: and they were ready to take the place back. Okay,

1037
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: here's another quote from the Billboard article talking about the

1038
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 3: police anticipation to head back. In quote, tapping his baton

1039
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: into his hand, one of them said, good thing. I

1040
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: watched my LAPD video again tonight. This was only a

1041
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: few months Remember, after the release of the video. Joy

1042
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: won the brutal beating of Rodney King. It seemed clear

1043
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: what he was referring to. Did you hear what he

1044
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: just said, I asked Crone.

1045
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: I did so, yikes, wow, Like I want to Stacy

1046
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: Coon and these people.

1047
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: And I watched him my motivation video this morning house.

1048
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: Like it's terrifying that, Like I get up watch a

1049
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: little Rodney King.

1050
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: Do you know that I've done some reporting on the police.

1051
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 4: How many of them watch videos of other police officers

1052
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: getting hurt in the line of duty before they go.

1053
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: To do their job. I don't know why.

1054
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine roofers watching people fall before they go

1055
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: to work, lumberjacks watching trees crush people before they go

1056
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: to work, and it's the only one of the few jobs,

1057
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: Like I want to see how bad my job can

1058
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: go before I go do it.

1059
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, those two reporters, they were confronted by police inside.

1060
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: They showed their press passes, but it didn't matter. One

1061
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: of the guys took a night stick to the kidneys,

1062
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: and then the looting began. One rider was selling keys

1063
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: from the piano for five dollars a piece in the

1064
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: parking lot. Here's a quote from a Louder Sound article. Quote.

1065
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: The band just grabbed the vintage guitars they had and

1066
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: that was it. Recalled guns fan and concert attendee Brian

1067
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 3: Pollard in the Riverfront Times. People were rolling out four

1068
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: by twelve cabinets and monitor mixing boards. That part was

1069
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: just hilarious. It was some some sort of white trash

1070
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: Fellini film.

1071
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: White trash film.

1072
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: That's amazing, Ryan Pollard, you delivered on that quote. In

1073
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: the end, sixty five people were injured, twenty five of

1074
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: them cops, but no one died, so that's why I

1075
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: can talk about it. And there was an arrest warrant

1076
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: out for Axl Rose.

1077
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Out of all this.

1078
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: The arrest a warrants for actual exciting a riot, so

1079
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: the area.

1080
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, if you inside a riot, you have

1081
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: to be like, let's riot. He can't be like you

1082
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: do something and everyone else goes.

1083
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: We decided to write ye.

1084
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: And it got them all fired up. The arrest was

1085
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: delayed until he could get back from the European leg

1086
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: of the tour, and then you got two years probation

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00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 3: and Guns n' Roses was banned from Saint Louis and

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Speaker 3: didn't go back to play for another twenty six years.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: What is your ridiculous takeaway.

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Speaker 4: That I sided with Axel Rose? In an issue of

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Speaker 4: the law, like I am really heated.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, that is not fair.

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Speaker 4: At Axel Rose, he denied it was inciting that, nor

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Speaker 4: did he call for it. I mean, like, if you

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Speaker 4: go to inside a riot, you got to be on

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Speaker 4: the side of the riot.

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Speaker 2: You can't be that the riot was against you.

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Speaker 3: And he said he was going because security was subpar.

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Speaker 3: He says because of this breaker.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Look, I no longer feel safe or comfortable in this environment,

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Speaker 4: and as the worker being hired by all you people,

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Speaker 4: I quit and then you get him incite.

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Speaker 2: I've incited, right because I say I'm quitting work.

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Speaker 3: No, no, agreed.

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Speaker 2: So that's my take.

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Speaker 3: I don't know same.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm agreeing with Axel Rose in the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: That's all I have for today. You can find us

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Speaker 3: online at Ridiculous Crime dot com. We have T shirts,

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Speaker 3: smugs whatever.

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Speaker 4: Do you know that he's made a lot of sounds

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Speaker 4: on social media lately, Axel Rose?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know. He's amazing.

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Speaker 4: So maybe I shouldn't be so surprised. You know, maybe

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Speaker 4: I've been wrong all this time.

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Speaker 3: Get on board the night train.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 3: I got one more in there. We're also at Ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime on both Twitter and Instagram. Axel Roses on Twitter, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Twitter's falling apart, jump in down. Email us a ridiculous

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Speaker 3: crime at gmail dot com. We will not answer you.

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Speaker 3: Leave us a talk back on the iHeart app, reach

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Speaker 3: Out reach Out.

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Speaker 2: Call your mother, call your father, people who have made

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Speaker 2: you I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, listen up Relax. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by w Axel

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Speaker 3: Dave Cousten. Research is by wedding guests in the November

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Speaker 3: theme song is by Helicopter Pilot in the Don't Cry video,

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Speaker 3: Thomas Lee and Light Up Touchtone Phone in the Patient's

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Speaker 3: Estranged video, Ben Bolin and Piece of Straw in Axel's

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Speaker 3: Mouth in the Welcome to the Jungle video, Noel.

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Speaker 5: Brown, Redicus Crime, Say It One More Time Cry.

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