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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some ball. We're at the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: We're on Radio row inside the Indiana Convention Center. I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, along with Colts Dot Com writer JJ Stangovitz.

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Speaker 1: Dan Graziano is with us right now at our table.

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Speaker 1: NFL insider for ESPN. You see him all the time

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Speaker 1: on the Get Up on Sports Center. You hear him

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Speaker 1: on ESPN Radio as well. Dan, Welcome back to Indianapolis, man,

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great, man. It's my pleasure to

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Speaker 1: be here. It's funny, i'd say to somebody, like, other

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Speaker 1: than the places I've lived, I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: a city I feel like I know better than Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: where spend this week every single year, especially like this

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Speaker 1: little corridor. Yeah, right the south side of indian Maryland Street. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very familiar with the with the with the offerings. From

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Speaker 1: from your angle, how pleased were you that the combined

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Speaker 1: state in Indianapolis? How big of a deal was that

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Speaker 1: for you? I think it's the difference between being worth

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Speaker 1: coming to the combine and not. Yeah, because like the

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Speaker 1: reason I come is not to watch people run to forty.

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Speaker 1: It's because everyone's here, right that the GM, the front

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Speaker 1: or for words. Yeah, they're all here, so like you're

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Speaker 1: here to do the week long schmooz, right, and and

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Speaker 1: you know, maintain relationships, you have, find new ones, go

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Speaker 1: home with more phone numbers than than you came with. Right.

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Speaker 1: So if they moved it to like La, you know

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Speaker 1: so you'd have to assess whether it's worth going. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: they're already doing it sometimes been sending their coaches, But

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Speaker 1: would more teams potentially be pushed to assessing is it

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Speaker 1: worth it to send our personnel? I think so, because

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a feeling. You know, it's centrally

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Speaker 1: so I think that there's if there were changed, it

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Speaker 1: just oh we go because we always have, right, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think it would change significantly. You talked about

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Speaker 1: the schmooz. I mean, do you enjoy the schmooz. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's sort of like it's like part of it, right,

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Speaker 1: I only see here that I enjoy talking to that

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Speaker 1: it's what, it's part of the job. Yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: Grousiano from ESPN. Here's the staying up late man, getting

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Speaker 1: Dan Grousiano. Dan, thanks for the time, man, my pleasure,

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