1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Okay, this is Sandy and Samantha and welcome to steff 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: WM Never told you production by Hear Radio. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: So we are writing this on April tenth, although publishing 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: it on April fifteenth, so you know, a little bit, 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: little bit delayed. We got this though, so but April 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: tenth was in the middle of National Library Week, so 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: we wanted to take the time to celebrate with an 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: activist or an activist librarian as she is known, also 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: a writer, journalist, so many other things, an Alan Shockley 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: who is still with us, so of course we've got 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: to celebrate while she's still with us. Shockley has made 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: a profound impact in the world with her works and 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: advocacy since her childhood in Louisville, Kentucky, which she was 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: born I believed in nineteen twenty seven. Shockley has been 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: influenced by books and writings her entire life. Teachers and 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: mentors encouraged her to write and read, seeing her talents 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: and creativity, so in high school she would take her 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: talents and use them for her high school newspaper and 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: would continue on to get her degree in college at 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: Fisk University, as well as received her Masters in Library 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: Sciences at Case Western Reserve University in nineteen fifty nine. 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: So again, even back then, you were supposed to get 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: a master's in order to work in the library. That's 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: so such an invest amount of work, right, So here's 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: a bit about her from benhair dot Org quote in 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Alan Shockley was born on June twenty first, nineteen twenty seven, 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: in Louisville, Kentucky. Her love of reading and writing started 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: at an early age. Harriet Leforest, her eighth grade teacher, 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: was her mentor, and Richard Writ's uncle Tom's Children was 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: an early influence on her writing. Shockley's introduction to writing 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: for the public started with her editing her high school newspaper. 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: She continued to write for various newspapers and graduated with 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: her her bachelor's degree from Fisk University in nineteen forty eight, 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: and in nineteen fifty nine, she received her master's degree 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: in library science from Case Western Reserve University. So she's 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: been at this for a while. During this time, she 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: married William Shockley in nineteen forty eight and had two children, 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: and she would go on to work as a librarian 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: at Delaware State College and at the University of Maryland 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: Eastern Shore and again would go on to work at 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: Fisk University. In fact, she would go on to serve 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: as Professor of Library Science at Fisk. She also was 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: the associate librarian for Special Collections there as well as 44 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: well as founded the Black Oral History Program. So here's 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: a bit more detail about her. From the book Knowledge 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: of Justice Disruption of Library and Information Studies through Critical 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: Race Theory, So contributor and writer Schandra Walker writes and 48 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: Alan Shockley a black activist librarian who wrote extensively on 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: the purpose and function of black special collections. Shockley, who 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: was a part of a continuum of black activist librarians, 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: was extraordinary that she raised important questions about the need 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: for special collections in libraries serving HBCUs, their function and 53 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: support of black studies programs on predominantly white campuses, and 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: the roles of librarians and publishers in developing and supporting 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: such collections. So a lot of amazing work. And with 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: her contributions to the library systems and advocating for more 57 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: African American literature and writings, she was contributing with her 58 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: own written work as well. She was a freelance columnist 59 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: from nineteen forty five to nineteen fifty four and worked 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: at different publishings such as The Louisville Defender, Fiske University Heralds, 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: and others, specifically talking about African American studies and subjects 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: and issues, as well as lgbt related issues. Here's a 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: bit more information from beinhere dot org. Again, she writes 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: about triple oppression, the internationality of racism, sexism, and homophobia 65 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: in the Black community, and stories and writings were inspired 66 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: by the Black civil rights the LGBTQ plus aberration, and 67 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: the women's rights movements. And again from Schandra Walker, she 68 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: writes she's best known for her literary works centering the 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: lives of black lesbians. Her novels Loving Her, published in 70 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, The Black and White of It published 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty, Say Jesus and Come to Me nineteen 72 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: eighty two, and Celebrating Hotsch Law, published in two thousand 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: and five, illuminate the lives of an overlooked demographic. Her 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: writing exemplifies the very type of work that Black special 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: collections endeavor to preserve and make available once they illuminate 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: experiences that might otherwise be unnoticed and undervalued by other collections. 77 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: In addition to her literary work, she also authored Afro 78 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: American Women Writers seventeen forty six, nineteen thirty three and 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: Anthology and Critical Guide nineteen eighty eight. Reportedly, the reference 80 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: work was a labor of love for her, as she 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: received no grant or clerical support, and she began assembling 82 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: it in nineteen seventy eight using extra time on holidays 83 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: and over summers, and describe being her inspiration for the work, 84 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: She stated quote, I shared a personal empathy with many 85 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: of these women whose problems mirrored my own and those 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: of women writers throughout the centuries. Yeah, and unsurprisingly, her 87 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: work and advocacy put her in a place of legacy 88 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: as an activist librarian. But honestly, we don't see a 89 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: lot of that conversation. But thanks to people like Walker, 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: we are able to get a better understanding of the 91 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: obvious crossovers of librarians and activism. I love that because 92 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: I will say, when I was trying to look up 93 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: specifically those who are activists, I see some historical figures, 94 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: but that was not a lot that they talk about. 95 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: I guess, you know, we don't celebrate librarians enough so 96 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: that might be part of this problem. So in her 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: time doing this very tedious work, she has talked about 98 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: why collections like the African American writings and works are 99 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: so important in being available to the public. And again 100 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: this is from the Walker chapter from that book. She says, 101 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: this type of special collection made available through the gathering 102 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: of books and other materials allows for more comprehensive consideration 103 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: and treatment of a certain phase of history, long neglected 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: and misinterpreted, which by necessity must be studied, examined, and 105 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: researched in order to provide the missing link in the 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: history of a people and the history of a nation. 107 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: So that was a quote from us Shocklely, and Walker 108 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: goes on to say, here we see a bold statement 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: that alludes to the deficiencies of cataloging and classification systems 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: that have historically marginalized non wide, non Western materials. Black 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: special collections then can be seen to have a liberating, 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: emancipating function. Such collections, rather than relegating materials about the 113 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: experience of Black people to a subordinate status, instead elevate 114 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: them to a level that is at least on part 115 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: with libraries, primary or main collections. Again, so important to 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: be represented in libraries, and her boldness in advocating for 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: the availability of having more black writers and books has 118 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: made a long and lasting impact as well as her 119 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: own books. As we mentioned previously, her book Loving Her 120 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: was groundbreaking. So going back to that binhere dot org article, 121 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: they write she was one of the first women to 122 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: write about lesbian, especially black lesbian experiences, and likely the 123 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: first to publish a novel centering on a black lesbian protagonist. 124 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: Her groundbreaking book Loving Her was the first to explore 125 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: a black lesbian protagonist in an interracial relationship. She wrote 126 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: about what interested her and not what was socially acceptable, 127 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: making her a pioneer in the black LGBTQ plus literature field. 128 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: So this book garnered her the award of Lee Lynch 129 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: Classic Award, but also garnered some critiques. So from what 130 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: I gather, she's not actually a lesbian, but she does 131 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: find that something that needs to be spoken about. In 132 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, what she did was truly something new 133 00:07:48,320 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: and unheard of. And here's a bit from her Wikipedia 134 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: page which he I know Wikipedia can be mistaken, but 135 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: they did a great job in trying to get her 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: remembered and made sure that her legacy is going to 137 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: be lasting, so they wrote this. Journalists have come out 138 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: that goes as far as to say that Shockli complicates 139 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: same gender loving as well as problematizes it through her 140 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: characterizations of African American people who also happen to be homosexual. 141 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Along with this, some argue that Shackleli uses too many 142 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: generalizations in her text, has a poor stylistic choice, and 143 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: did not work to battle common stereotypes about black lesbianism. 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: In her first novel, Loving Her, the main character, Renee, 145 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: chooses to live her life as a lesbian, but still 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: performs stereotypically heteronormative notions on romance, which works against Shackli's 147 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: supposed intentions of exposing what a lesbian relationship really is 148 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: like in the late twentieth century. However, as the first 149 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: novel representing an interracial relationship between two women, Loving Her 150 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: does not exist within a historical framework in which it 151 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: could serve as a satirical response too, so it is 152 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: sometimes have been interpreted as a naive reinforcement of heteronormative 153 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: and racist ideas about queer relationships and black webpon rather 154 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: than a potentially self aware piece. Nonetheless, the fictional novel 155 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: is still admittingly one of the first of its kind. Again, 156 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: of course, like the author of this Wikipedia page does 157 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: point out, it could have a lot to do with 158 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: a time frame, so like it's very new, it's something new, 159 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: So maybe she was making a satirical point if she 160 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: is not actually a lesbian, which again I just saw 161 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: that in one article saying that she was not. This 162 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: could be a part of the problem as well as 163 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: how do you reinvent or have a conversation about something 164 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: that was so taboo in a time that people were 165 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: out today even today even there's problematic things in what 166 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: they think is representing in a good way, but they're 167 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: underlying whether it's misogyny or underlying misogyniir all of this 168 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: may come out without realizing it is coming maybe with 169 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: good intentions, all those things. This is deep conversation, especially 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: a book in nineteen seventy four. She moved to do 171 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: something really radical at that point in time, so there's 172 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: a lot of conversations that could be had. I've seen 173 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: other articles specifically written by like black queer publications that 174 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: talk about you still have to give her her flowers 175 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: like it was an amazing thing. I think they celebrated 176 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: this book last year and as being the fiftieth anniversary 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: of the release of this book and how it was 178 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: it was in an international level it was published on 179 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: that level. Again, a lot of things to be talked about, 180 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: but no matter what, we know that Chocolate has been 181 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: doing amazing advocacy work in order to preserve history as 182 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: well as giving recognition to those who are too often erased, 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: especially in this day and age. We know librarians are 184 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: being attacked, we know libraries are being attacked, we know 185 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: black writers are being attacked. We know that CRT is 186 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: being attacked. So all of this conversation that she has 187 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: fought for since her childhood is so important to remember 188 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: and we want to celebrate and thank her for her 189 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: work because this is huge in what she has done 190 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: with her life. 191 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, and very cool books to add to our list. 192 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Always love that while listeners let us know if you 193 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: have any thoughts or suggestions for upcoming segments. 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