Speaker 1: I Am all In.
Speaker 2: Let's you.
Speaker 3: I Am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
Speaker 1: eleven productions. iHeartRadio, I Heart Media, iHeart Podcast Season one
Speaker 1: episode to Loralized, First Day Chiltern. And we have a
Speaker 1: very very special guest with us today, one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: She portrayed the incredibly sympathetic Lane Kim Keiko againa is
Speaker 1: here with us this morning. Paiko. Hello, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us. It's always good to see you.
Speaker 2: Hello, Scott.
Speaker 1: How have you been.
Speaker 2: I've been great, busy.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here with you today to share
Speaker 3: this time and space together.
Speaker 1: Okay, and we're joined with one of fifth of the
Speaker 1: Intrepid crew. But man, it feels like one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Tire Soud. There you go. How you doing, Tara, I'm good.
Speaker 4: I love this episode. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Huh wasn't this great?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It was great?
Speaker 1: Isn't this great? It's like these first two episodes are
Speaker 1: just perfection. Everything about them was perfect. I mean talk
Speaker 1: about talk about setting the trend here, laying down the
Speaker 1: first two episodes and now I can see if it
Speaker 1: wasn't already clear to me, And now I can see
Speaker 1: why the fans or why people who watch this show
Speaker 1: created this really strong, viral kindind of word of mouth
Speaker 1: and you know, telling their friends, and it just spread
Speaker 1: like wildfire because it was just so darn good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like all of the elements that
Speaker 3: you have throughout the entire series are all just kind
Speaker 3: of embedded by by episode two, I was.
Speaker 2: I was surprised too, just what.
Speaker 1: A what a strong first two episodes, because it's all
Speaker 1: laid out for you. We're already into the conflict, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking, you know, there are four
Speaker 1: characters already established that have I mean, you're only your
Speaker 1: character is only as strong as your antagonist. Who's your antagonist? Right?
Speaker 1: What do you have to do? What's pushing against you?
Speaker 1: What's making your life difficult, and what's creating you know
Speaker 1: that that arc for you and to overcome. And it's
Speaker 1: obviously loral I with a mother, Rory with school, Laye
Speaker 1: with her mother there and laying with her friendships. And
Speaker 1: then you've got Emily against you know her her antagonist
Speaker 1: is Laurel I and it's her own daughter. So it's
Speaker 1: just so fraught with layers already. I think Luke, now
Speaker 1: that we're establishing this Luke Lorelei thing, is sort of
Speaker 1: you know, that spark is there. You can see kind
Speaker 1: of something developing now. And you know, uh, he flashes
Speaker 1: a bit of of of maybe not jealousy, but like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of insecurity that
Speaker 1: she got asked out on a date. But I think,
Speaker 1: I think, really Luke's antagonist is probably his past and
Speaker 1: himself as much as anybody.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then it you know, obviously it's going to be Taylor,
Speaker 1: but it's just so beautifully set up. All right. Let
Speaker 1: me do a quick synopsis. Loreali oversleeps on the morning
Speaker 1: of Roy's first dge children, and then she dresses as
Speaker 1: in a questionable outfit, only to find her own mother
Speaker 1: waiting in the headmaster's office. Plus we meet Rory's possible nemesis,
Speaker 1: Paris Gellar, her crew, and an additional cutie. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm just there. It is interesting. Who doesn't behave so cutely?
Speaker 1: Does he?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, how nice wordplay in that in that synopsis?
Speaker 1: Huh, I try, I try?
Speaker 2: Oh you wrote that synopsis of I.
Speaker 1: Wrote, I write everything?
Speaker 3: Oh, I apologize. I'm sure everybody else knows that, but
Speaker 3: I think that's love.
Speaker 1: I didn't write a word. I did not write a
Speaker 1: word of it. I didn't even write. Directed by Arlene Sandford,
Speaker 1: beautifully directed, Written by Amy Sherman Palladino, beautifully written. You know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about your work in this, Kiko. It's further
Speaker 1: establishing you as a main player here and teasing you
Speaker 1: and your mother's relationship and all of the tension that
Speaker 1: that's created in your life. I think, very beautifully, very sparingly,
Speaker 1: but it really right now. I want to see more
Speaker 1: of it, which is a good thing, right, that's good storytelling.
Speaker 1: I just I want to lean in and I want
Speaker 1: to know more. How did you feel on those first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of filming?
Speaker 3: Oh, besides incredibly excited, I think I was so.
Speaker 2: Nervous.
Speaker 3: I was just a bundle of nerves back in those days.
Speaker 3: It's funny even listening to the music as I was
Speaker 3: watching the episode last night, it's this mix between it's
Speaker 3: so joyful and comforting and yet in the bottom, in
Speaker 3: the pit of my stomach, there's this like there's this
Speaker 3: like ten because.
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know I think I.
Speaker 3: Was just a bundle of nerves back in those days that.
Speaker 1: It was one of the great opening scenes of the
Speaker 1: entire running through you running with the the Apple Venus
Speaker 1: Volume two and the I'm the man who murdered love
Speaker 1: by XTC and you run across and scream it and
Speaker 1: then Laurel I runs in. You guys start rocking out
Speaker 1: and we see what a great opening. I mean, just like, sorry, sorry, Rory,
Speaker 1: you know, deal with it, We're gonna go right.
Speaker 4: Was always a surprise to see what you were going
Speaker 4: to do in these episodes, because I feel, especially in
Speaker 4: the early seasons, it was like, what is Kim Lane
Speaker 4: hiding from missus Kim Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Scott, but I was.
Speaker 3: I was pretty much always surprised by uh, the scripts, delightfully.
Speaker 2: Surprised, you know, my what would unfold.
Speaker 3: I would always say that the thing about these scripts
Speaker 3: is that it would it would be the mixture of
Speaker 3: both that you would hope that you would get, is
Speaker 3: that you would be surprised, and yet some part of
Speaker 3: you would say, yep, I knew that was going to
Speaker 3: happen in that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like I love the jacket at the end
Speaker 4: when she's just like.
Speaker 3: All right, oh yeah, go casually doing her changeling change
Speaker 3: before she has to go home.
Speaker 1: Dual Lives and overall, just staggeringly great performance by Lauren
Speaker 1: Ye in these first two episodes, establishing that hey, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a new talent in town and I'm taken over.
Speaker 1: I mean, just all of the comedic skills that are
Speaker 1: brought to bear. I mean, usually somebody can do drama,
Speaker 1: or somebody can do or somebody's really strong with comedy,
Speaker 1: but rarely do you find somebody who's really strong with
Speaker 1: both and just can go back and forth and back
Speaker 1: and forth and actually no what they're doing. And it's
Speaker 1: just just a joy to watch her work. You know,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff in Headmaster Charleston, Charleston's office, and
Speaker 1: all of all of that stuff with the with his
Speaker 1: assistant before she she looks up and whoa wow, how hi?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? All that little stuff so
Speaker 1: great to watch. So, you know, what we're dealing with here,
Speaker 1: and what the show is showing us is that, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Lorelei is a bit irresponsible. It's like who's the parent,
Speaker 1: who's the who's the kid?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's like there's almost a
Speaker 1: role reversal with the you know, getting distracted by the
Speaker 1: good looking father that you know he asked her out.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some heat between them, and you know
Speaker 1: she she does a sidebar with the guy instead of
Speaker 1: getting Rory situated at her first day. Right, So, as
Speaker 1: in appropriate as that may feel, it sets up so
Speaker 1: many great jokes, you know, it just really sets up
Speaker 1: so many great situations. And uh, all right, so all
Speaker 1: these great sweeping shots of stars hollow and this is
Speaker 1: the new Warner Brothers said. The gazebo is central to
Speaker 1: that shot. So that's very very well established here. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Chilton. Let's talk about children, Kiko. You
Speaker 1: didn't spend did you spend any time at children?
Speaker 3: Not really?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you ever go over there and deliver something to
Speaker 1: Rory or you know, you were meeting at children or
Speaker 1: something to go somewhere else? No, it never got there.
Speaker 3: And at children, I think once you got to college
Speaker 3: there was a little bit more, but never never.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's talk about Now we meet Paris,
Speaker 1: and it's like whoa from your point of view, Keiko,
Speaker 1: in your life, did you ever experience anybody like a
Speaker 1: Paris in high school. No, never had one.
Speaker 2: That's that. I love how strong Eliza leans into that.
Speaker 3: I mean she is like a brick wall and then
Speaker 3: some you know, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of it. It makes the show
Speaker 1: so watchable. Yeah, because here you have this, not that
Speaker 1: it isn't, but now we know we're in for it.
Speaker 1: Like now things are getting serious for our dear Rory.
Speaker 1: Right this this this babe in the woods, this this
Speaker 1: lamb in the woods being led to slaughter almost at
Speaker 1: this this this private school. And I actually loved the
Speaker 1: scene where they walk in and Emily's there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because what else did you expect? I mean really, what
Speaker 1: else did you expect? And it surprised me, but it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that makes makes perfect sense. Well of
Speaker 1: course she's going to be there, and of course she's
Speaker 1: going to be there to really dish out the humor
Speaker 1: with the Loreles Geene shorts and tied I shirt, which
Speaker 1: was hysterical.
Speaker 2: I love all the cowboy references.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's like one of the most memorable outfits to
Speaker 4: this day.
Speaker 1: Yes, it really is classic, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yes, people always dress up as Lorelei and Rory with
Speaker 4: the children outfit and then this.
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like I don't even know if there
Speaker 3: is another one as iconic because it plays in the
Speaker 3: opening credits all the time, and when I think of her,
Speaker 3: I think of her running down the stairs in that particular.
Speaker 4: Outfit that's in the opening.
Speaker 3: That's right identifiable to me. It feels iconically lorele Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's all the all the Halloween cosplaying is pretty
Speaker 1: much that outfit.
Speaker 4: It's just funny that she wears it as she continues
Speaker 4: to walk around Stars Hollow. I like forgot that she
Speaker 4: didn't just go home and change. She went to Luke's
Speaker 4: and like she was still going around town.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, So we're establishing a real, real antagonism
Speaker 1: between mother and daughter, Emily trying to get deeper and
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper, get her hooks in deeper into Rory
Speaker 1: and both of them actually in her opening salvos in
Speaker 1: the battle for control of Rory and basically both their lives.
Speaker 1: So and also we meet Chad Michael Murray, We meet Tristan, Yes,
Speaker 1: we do who who you know? Do you do you
Speaker 1: feel like he was given short shift or that he
Speaker 1: always they always saw him as a character that wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be a major player, but that somebody there
Speaker 1: was going to go away eventually because he just was
Speaker 1: so antagonistic. What did you what did you think of
Speaker 1: him when you first saw him?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the way, well, the way that
Speaker 3: it is written, and also the way that Chad played
Speaker 3: him again, I think, no no holding back, no punches.
Speaker 3: I mean, he really came with with that whole Mary thing,
Speaker 3: like it just like, oh me personally, every time he
Speaker 3: said Mary, I just like, uh.
Speaker 2: I hated it.
Speaker 3: So So I don't know, it's hard because I do
Speaker 3: know that there are sometimes when you'll introduce a character
Speaker 3: that strongly and then you know, you see that person
Speaker 3: flip to be kind of like adorable and lovely and
Speaker 3: and you can see them being being you know, they
Speaker 3: get together at some point. But I kind of loved though,
Speaker 3: how strongly Chad was introduced, in.
Speaker 4: The way that he played it.
Speaker 3: In that way, I thought he was the love and
Speaker 3: the fact that well we can do spoilers on this show,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah, I mean the fact that the
Speaker 3: fact that Paris liked him, I mean, it's just so
Speaker 3: it's so perfect you know. I mean that just gives
Speaker 3: the more that they can give that as far as
Speaker 3: obstacles between Paris and Rory, that you know that that
Speaker 3: that are going to happen, and.
Speaker 2: And the fact that the fact that Paris likes him.
Speaker 3: I just also think it's just so funny because he's
Speaker 3: such a prickly kind of difficult person and that's the
Speaker 3: person that you know that she likes.
Speaker 2: I think hilarious.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, what established how much fun this
Speaker 1: show is going to be, as if it wasn't fun enough,
Speaker 1: but every element was going to be fun to watch
Speaker 1: was when her file was passed out the window window
Speaker 1: to an awaiting Paris, Louise and Madeline. I knew. I
Speaker 1: knew it was an m and the way they went
Speaker 1: through that and just the sort of the interaction between
Speaker 1: those three, I really believe that they were classmates and
Speaker 1: that they they they had their their sort of structure
Speaker 1: about who is in power in that troika of people,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, man, this is fun and people
Speaker 1: are going to love this show. And I'm trying to
Speaker 1: put myself back in two thousand, the year two thousand
Speaker 1: and people watching the show and teenagers watching the show
Speaker 1: and their mom's watching. It's just oh, this is good,
Speaker 1: this is fun. You know. They're taking every moment, every
Speaker 1: opportunity to do something really interesting and fun. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know, Eliza Wheel must have been thrilled getting
Speaker 1: these scripts and reading this stuff and said, I get
Speaker 1: to go to work and do this stuff. And it's
Speaker 1: so it's so, you're right. You get the script and
Speaker 1: you go, God, I get to get be in this situation. Right,
Speaker 1: It's really the writing at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: It's the thing that makes you thrilled to go to work,
Speaker 1: is like, I get to do this and I get
Speaker 1: to say this, and I get to be in this situation,
Speaker 1: and the writers are really taking care of me, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think Liza probably felt that as well.
Speaker 3: And I think one thing that it just it's an
Speaker 3: obvious thing that it just dawned on me now, is
Speaker 3: that in every other high school script, if you have
Speaker 3: a lead that is kind of a brainy character, then
Speaker 3: their antagonist is going to be the cheerleader, you know.
Speaker 2: The popular pretty girl that is not so smart.
Speaker 3: And the fact that Amy made the antagonist someone that
Speaker 3: is just as smart as Rory, and that they were
Speaker 3: going to battle it out on with instead of beauty,
Speaker 3: which they're both beautiful as well, but you know, but
Speaker 3: that that was going to be the way that they
Speaker 3: would battle each other. Is how smart they were that,
Speaker 3: you know, how fun is that even when we get
Speaker 3: to the end of this episode, the fact that they.
Speaker 4: I was about to say when she like, sorry to
Speaker 4: jump ahead Scott in the episode, but when she and
Speaker 4: we were talking about when she like answers the question
Speaker 4: in class after breaking the project, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: she doesn't want my help, I'm gonna answer her questions.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Martin Martin Luther fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's on with no hesitation, with no hesitation.
Speaker 1: It was just fantastic. She had a great line after
Speaker 1: she broke her project and it crashed to the floor
Speaker 1: and she's trying Rory's trying to help her clean it up.
Speaker 1: She goes, is that like water in the good it's
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 4: Also, like they would be in the same class, it
Speaker 4: would be her project. It was like, that's the right.
Speaker 4: The writing was just on the walls.
Speaker 1: It was perfect right right right.
Speaker 3: And it's also like if you think about what in
Speaker 3: other shows, it's always about there's a girl, she's kind
Speaker 3: of smart, she has glut well I'm kind of saying
Speaker 3: too much by glasses and curly hair, right, and then
Speaker 3: there's the makeover episode, and then she gets.
Speaker 2: All like quote unquote beautified.
Speaker 3: Right, And yet in this it's not that she's her
Speaker 3: makeover journey is not a physical makeover.
Speaker 2: It's that she's overwhelmed with all of this.
Speaker 3: Stuff in this new school, and her makeover is how
Speaker 3: does she get her bearings intellectually at this new school?
Speaker 3: Like that's her That's gonna be her make up quote
Speaker 3: unquote makeover journey, which I really like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's returning to the world that Laura I
Speaker 1: was intended to occupy, you know, sixteen years prior, right,
Speaker 1: or was occupying. I mean, do we know where Laura
Speaker 1: I went to high school? I mean she didn't. She
Speaker 1: didn't go to Chilton.
Speaker 4: No, she didn't go to Chelton.
Speaker 1: That's a good piece of trivia on Earth. I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's revealed in any I don't recall it being
Speaker 1: revealed in any of the episodes. Where did Laura I
Speaker 1: go to high school? Did she go to Hartford High
Speaker 1: or something like that and when she must have gone
Speaker 1: to some private school because her parents were loaded. Christopher's
Speaker 1: parents were loaded, so they were probably in some private
Speaker 1: private school in Hartford somewhere, right, but not Chilton anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's not history repeating itself, but it's a
Speaker 1: history that Emily certainly wants to try on with her.
Speaker 1: You know, she's given up on her own daughter, so
Speaker 1: now she's got a granddaughter, she's gonna she's gonna fight
Speaker 1: like hell to get her a classical education and then
Speaker 1: go onto Harvard and do whatever she wants in life.
Speaker 1: You know, write her own ticket in life. So Emily
Speaker 1: gets another bite at the apple here. So all great stuff,
Speaker 1: great scene with the Rory and and Headmaster Charleston. That listen, kid,
Speaker 1: you know, just because I play golf with your dad
Speaker 1: and my wife and Emily are good friends, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're getting any special treatment here, you know. And he
Speaker 1: kind of laid it out for so that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's tough stuff for a kid. I don't blame her
Speaker 1: for collapsing into her mom's arms and just give me
Speaker 1: a hug. That's a tough day, man, like am I gonna?
Speaker 1: I mean, we know intellectually academically, she's going to be
Speaker 1: able to hack it, right, I mean if she's already
Speaker 1: sort of mastering her her English class. But it's you know,
Speaker 1: the challenge is like, is this girl going to survive?
Speaker 1: This is? Is is Paris, Madeline and Louise going to
Speaker 1: to wreck it all for her? She's going to force
Speaker 1: her out? So the question is tough enough. We'll find
Speaker 1: out entertaining great stuff, all right, So we go to
Speaker 1: we go to Luke's and here comes Laurel.
Speaker 4: I right, this is another famous line that everyone says
Speaker 4: where she wants copy in IV.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the second I saw that, I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, it's this episode.
Speaker 1: It's this episode. Yeah, just man, the beginnings of it.
Speaker 1: What did you guys think of this scene? It's it's
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite Luke and Laurels scenes that
Speaker 1: I've seen, the whole thing. It's just like the beginning
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, it's like they were teasing that
Speaker 1: in the in the pilot. Now in the second episode
Speaker 1: you get a real you know, you get a bigger
Speaker 1: chunk of it, and yeah, it's like, oh okay, It's
Speaker 1: like Luke's.
Speaker 4: Always been around, but now she's like paying attention a
Speaker 4: little more in this episode.
Speaker 2: Like mmmmm, I feel like her.
Speaker 4: Well. I also thought it was interesting that in episode
Speaker 4: one Laura gets hit on by the guy in the diner,
Speaker 4: and then in this episode she gets hit on by
Speaker 4: another student's dad, but she's like coming back to Luke.
Speaker 4: So I I like the way they set it up
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 3: Right right, And I like, I like Scott how you
Speaker 3: played Luke and how Luke was. He was not a
Speaker 3: conventionally flirting back. You know, there was so much wall.
Speaker 3: But I mean I think that that was great because
Speaker 3: this was not gonna be something that you were gonna
Speaker 3: that was gonna this wall cannot crumble in season one's
Speaker 3: episode four, you know what I mean, like you but
Speaker 3: you want to have that that that that tension and
Speaker 3: that holding back for a long time.
Speaker 2: And I think that you see that in episode two,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 4: Which is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I also thought it was funny that he was like
Speaker 4: putting a screwdriver in the in the toaster. It was unplugged,
Speaker 4: no I know, but like it was just funny. I
Speaker 4: was like, why screwdriver? It was like you were so
Speaker 4: into it, like just fixing it. While you know, you
Speaker 4: weren't even I thought it was funny that you weren't
Speaker 4: even like looking at Lorelei the whole time. You were
Speaker 4: kind of distracted, but still, you know, still bantering with her.
Speaker 1: Have you have you ever? You know I played it
Speaker 1: with There was so much I was so deeply taken
Speaker 1: with her that I couldn't even look at her. You know.
Speaker 1: It was that kind of thing where it's like it's
Speaker 1: paralyzing because she's so glorious and she's so beautiful, and
Speaker 1: she's got such a an effervescent personality, and she's so smart,
Speaker 1: and she can be you know, she can also be
Speaker 1: very impatient and acerbic. You know, that's all that's intimidating
Speaker 1: for him, right for a guy like that, that's really scary,
Speaker 1: And it's like, there's but she's just obviously just this
Speaker 1: spectacular woman, strong and fierce and loving and fun everything
Speaker 1: that basically he isn't you know, somebody somebody had done
Speaker 1: gone and hurt that boy, really, you know, and you
Speaker 1: can tell. And I just always thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: this is her show, for her to shine and for
Speaker 1: her to you know, I mean, a scene with Lauren
Speaker 1: Graham is like watching the fireworks at the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they're super beautiful, and sometimes they're loud, and
Speaker 1: sometimes they're a little scary and sometimes but they're always colorful.
Speaker 1: And you just watch, you know, everybody's fixated, and you know,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you get next to that?
Speaker 1: How are you going to do it right? So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's quite a puzzle for Luke. And it's the
Speaker 1: only way I thought I could pull this off and
Speaker 1: make this you know tense, you know, have tension, is
Speaker 1: to just shut down when she shows up and just
Speaker 1: like struggle to have a conversation with her. And and
Speaker 1: if the intention is strong enough, if the thoughts are
Speaker 1: strong enough, then it won't come off like he's being
Speaker 1: you know, a jerk to her or whatever, that there's
Speaker 1: something more there and that look for moments to leak
Speaker 1: it out, like just little moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you look at her when she like walks away,
Speaker 4: like she's not looking at you, but he's still look up.
Speaker 4: It's those little moments.
Speaker 1: Right, because he's scared. Yeah, he's really he's scared that
Speaker 1: he won't have ever have the courage to initiate anything.
Speaker 1: He's scared and he knows it, he knows, this is
Speaker 1: the this is the kind of woman he wants to
Speaker 1: be with. There's he's never seen anything like her. And
Speaker 1: also there's like that sort of Romeo and Juliet aspect
Speaker 1: of it, Like this is a rich girl from a
Speaker 1: rich family, and I think everybody knows that. So she's different,
Speaker 1: she's better, she's she's smarter, she's you know, she's not.
Speaker 1: I don't have the the temperament, the demeanor, the education.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have the class she has, right,
Speaker 1: And the irony is it turns out he kind of
Speaker 1: does in a way in certain areas. But just a
Speaker 1: fascinating dynamic I thought between those two. And I just
Speaker 1: love these early scenes. God, I love these early scenes
Speaker 1: because I don't remember them, you know, and I know
Speaker 1: three years ago we saw them for the first time.
Speaker 1: I saw them for the first time. But man, I
Speaker 1: just isn't she great? Though? I mean, but the thing
Speaker 1: is is she gives you so much. She's giving you
Speaker 1: so much you don't really have to do much, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Can you imagine two people like that?
Speaker 1: You imagine if I was like that too, I mean,
Speaker 1: it would too like I mean, it'd probably be entertaining
Speaker 1: as hell, but it would be mayhem and like so anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: just man, she made it easy. She just made it
Speaker 1: so easy to work, you know, And not that it's easy.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta hold the line there and not.
Speaker 1: What was difficult about working with her is you just
Speaker 1: wanted to bust out and laugh at times. You know,
Speaker 1: you wanted to you wanted to engage, you wanted to
Speaker 1: have that much fun on acting. But you mean, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, it's not your job. Your job is to
Speaker 1: do this. Do your job. Tell the story, Tell the story,
Speaker 1: Tell the story. I don't know, Okay, I I had him.
Speaker 1: I had a moment there watching this where I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I got a little emotional. I said, how did I
Speaker 1: end up in the show? I mean, I just felt
Speaker 1: so lucky. It's like, wow, look at this. All right?
Speaker 1: So now we go back. Oh, and plus yet I
Speaker 1: think it's the first time we see him. Is it
Speaker 1: the first time we see him in flannel? Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: When we're in flannel on the pilot?
Speaker 1: I was no, I was in a I was in
Speaker 1: a denim, denim and a backwards baseball camp and then
Speaker 1: was I in flannel the first time you see me.
Speaker 1: I remember, No I was in that. I thought I
Speaker 1: was in that denim.
Speaker 4: Right, it was denhim in that very first seeing which
Speaker 4: comes in from coffee in the pilot.
Speaker 1: Right, it's denim, isn't it. If I'm not mistaken, But
Speaker 1: I think maybe this is the Maybe I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's the first time we've seen it in flannel. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was denim. Okay, we have that confirmed from a well.
Speaker 3: A couple of iconic outfits then established, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, and then there the green but it was green.
Speaker 1: It was like it was yeah, we have to wait
Speaker 1: for that moment, yeah, right, when when Laurali crowns me
Speaker 1: Luke right with the blue hat. All right, So now
Speaker 1: we go now we meet uh, well, we've met her before,
Speaker 1: but now we go back to Miss Patty's impressions of
Speaker 1: Miss Patty.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love her.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: The thing about that character. She can say so much
Speaker 3: with just you know, a cigarette and one line. Right, definitely,
Speaker 3: once we get over because Sally and Mortar established this
Speaker 3: episode two right.
Speaker 4: Right right as their neighbors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miss Patty just has it in her body, like
Speaker 1: her whole history is in her body, in the way
Speaker 1: she speaks, in the way she looks at people, right,
Speaker 1: the way she dangles that cigarette. It's just she's she's fabulous, right,
Speaker 1: She's like a she's like a theater fabulous person, a
Speaker 1: dancing fabulous person. Right. And there's a bunch of little girls.
Speaker 1: Uh And it's just it's just established a stars Hollow
Speaker 1: as a very very place, in a very charming place.
Speaker 1: And she's h she's being a little nosy about uh
Speaker 1: Rory going to Chilton. Uh so we so we now
Speaker 1: we're starting to see as an audience, Oh, this place
Speaker 1: you know of ninety nine hundred people, which is a
Speaker 1: little larger than I thought it would be. That would
Speaker 1: be more like in the four thousand range, the three
Speaker 1: thousand range.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was that sign in the scenes.
Speaker 1: Right, ninety nine hundred people. I don't think we ever
Speaker 1: saw that sign again.
Speaker 4: No, because I think that shot was well, I think
Speaker 4: it was shot probably from the pilot when you guys
Speaker 4: did in Canada, right, because it wasn't It wasn't the
Speaker 4: back lot.
Speaker 1: Oh it wasn't.
Speaker 4: No, if you actually go back to it, it looks
Speaker 4: completely different.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense now.
Speaker 4: I think it was just like an establishing shot they
Speaker 4: threw into this episode.
Speaker 1: But I guess, I guess ninety nine hundred people in
Speaker 1: you know, outside of metropolitan areas like Hartford and New
Speaker 1: Haven and places like that that are far more populard,
Speaker 1: I guess ninety nine hundred. It's still considered a small town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is. That's a small town, let's face it.
Speaker 1: But we're now we're seeing that everybody is involved in
Speaker 1: everybody's life. We established it. This is an element of
Speaker 1: small town life, and this is what we have in
Speaker 1: store for the audience, Like this character is going to
Speaker 1: get know your business. Everybody's going to know your business.
Speaker 1: And it seems like the central hub of where the
Speaker 1: gossip may take place might be Luke Steiner because what
Speaker 1: a perfect place for that to occur.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Scott, I know you know this because we've
Speaker 4: talked about it. But Keiko, there is a clown pillow
Speaker 4: that has made an appearance throughout the entire series, and
Speaker 4: as someone who's watched the show many many times, I
Speaker 4: don't pay that much attention to details, so it wasn't
Speaker 4: until this podcast that I like found out. But it's
Speaker 4: pretty like a pretty straight on shot in this scene,
Speaker 4: did you notice it or when it was happening? Did
Speaker 4: you know about a clown pillow going around on set?
Speaker 4: That's usually a Laurelize house.
Speaker 1: I did not know. And when when Lauren's in a scene,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much just looking at her. Yeah, it's hard
Speaker 1: to look away, right, So this clown.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this clown pillow shows up in other people's houses.
Speaker 4: No, it's usually a Laurelize, but it was like place
Speaker 4: in different places. But it's been in like dozens of episodes.
Speaker 4: Like it's like it's like a thing, like people look
Speaker 4: for the clown pillow. So I don't know if, like
Speaker 4: maybe when you were filming a scene in Laurrelized house,
Speaker 4: you ever noticed a clown pillow?
Speaker 1: Were there? There are a lot of fans out there
Speaker 1: that can recite to you chapter and verse from memory,
Speaker 1: what episode, what time stamp, what scene it was when
Speaker 1: the clown pill appeared, they can say, and they can
Speaker 1: just sit there and list it all right in front
Speaker 1: of you. You know, it take some ten minutes to
Speaker 1: do it, but they do it, and it's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's how dedicated these fans are. This how many
Speaker 1: times they've seen this show and this is how much
Speaker 1: they pay attention. Oh yeah, it's amazing. And there they're
Speaker 1: always asking me questions that I don't have the answers
Speaker 1: to watch the show. And they've seen these episodes, you know,
Speaker 1: literally dozens of times, if.
Speaker 2: Not more, you know, pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: It is impressive because I'm sure, I'm sure there's people
Speaker 1: that just sort of they have their favorite episodes and
Speaker 1: they watch only those episodes for a while, and then
Speaker 1: they'll sort of like try to watch the other episodes
Speaker 1: that aren't their favorite episodes. It'd be interesting to take
Speaker 1: a poll how many people just watch your favorite episodes
Speaker 1: versus people that will, you know, sort of dogmatically watch
Speaker 1: in order and that's the way they want it them.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious.
Speaker 4: So let us. I did see something on Instagram that
Speaker 4: listed every Fall themed Gilmore Girls episode, So because of
Speaker 4: like you know, people want to watch in the fall,
Speaker 4: you can just jump around and I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 4: realize because like there's different.
Speaker 1: Like oh I saw that too, Yeah, you like they.
Speaker 4: Have different events like in like by the Gazebo, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I guess it's just fall themed. So
Speaker 4: it's funny, all right.
Speaker 1: So we're Chilton. Paris is sitting in front of U
Speaker 1: in the front. She's answering every question correctly with a
Speaker 1: little bet of sass. I would say, self satisfied sass.
Speaker 1: Tristan walks in and uh, he makes quite an impression.
Speaker 1: He stares at Rory, ask a friend who she is,
Speaker 1: and this is the first time Is this the first
Speaker 1: time we hear Mary?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, hey, Mary.
Speaker 1: Kind of deal calls her Mary.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And Roy seems a little bit worried about the work
Speaker 1: she's given, right that this giant folder, this giant notebook
Speaker 1: filled with her class assignments, and her teacher says, well,
Speaker 1: this is just sort of the outline. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to get the details, and you know, ask somebody to
Speaker 1: borrow their notes, and she's like, whoa, okay. And then
Speaker 1: Paris introduced herself and establishes that she is the head
Speaker 1: girl in charge of that self styled prison, I guess
Speaker 1: if you want to call it. And it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: that Rory is at all flustered right now or care
Speaker 1: about any of Paris's antics. So we meet Paris. We
Speaker 1: meet a very crucial piece of this of this of
Speaker 1: this dramedy, who will influence things greatly, and I mean,
Speaker 1: what a great arc. All right, let's go to the
Speaker 1: Independence in Ah again. We're in the kitchen, right.
Speaker 4: Scenes are so fun.
Speaker 1: The kitchen scenes. Yeah, and this is the first time
Speaker 1: we see Jackson and they're yeah. And what about all
Speaker 1: these great shots they have of rolling the peach to
Speaker 1: decide if there's too much water in it. I mean
Speaker 1: the putting the camera on the ground and rolling a
Speaker 1: peach toward it, all this great stuff. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think of this scene in meeting Jackson for the
Speaker 1: first time, what'd you think?
Speaker 4: I thought it was fun. It was like that establishing
Speaker 4: shot of the community that's at the Independence in and
Speaker 4: you know, giving I think Suki's character a little bit more,
Speaker 4: a little more room to play as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they kind of show the three
Speaker 3: different ways people flirt, well, actually no four if you
Speaker 3: count Tristan. So it's Jackson and Suki flirting with basically
Speaker 3: arguing over produce. They have the you and Laurel I scene,
Speaker 3: which is flirting but you know its own special type.
Speaker 3: That the more obvious one where she's at Chilton, and
Speaker 3: then the Tristan terrible flirting where he just makes fun
Speaker 3: of her.
Speaker 4: But I like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all different, there's every.
Speaker 3: There's so many different ways that this kind of strange
Speaker 3: male female dynamic can happen. And I like, I love
Speaker 3: Suki in Jackson's way of flirting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very true, the different ways of flirting.
Speaker 1: I'm so used to them being together. I forgot that
Speaker 1: they weren't together. In that episode, they realized, well, they're
Speaker 1: not together yet. He's just like, yeah, he's sitting but
Speaker 1: he's sitting close to her, and he seems to It's
Speaker 1: like the thing is the acting so good that the
Speaker 1: vibe is there already that they kind of like each other,
Speaker 1: but they're not you know, they're not doing that yet.
Speaker 1: So that's the impression I got from their body language,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, that's you got a couple of
Speaker 1: great actress in there. They'll do that. And uh uh yes,
Speaker 1: all that foreshadowing. And and Lorelei is dressed to impress
Speaker 1: today she changed uh and uh yeah, she got hit on.
Speaker 4: She got hit on by the valet guy. And then
Speaker 4: and then the chiltern dad shows up.
Speaker 1: That's right. It's like you know, the bees are swarming, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and and we we do get a wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful line ah from Drella. Oh yeah, do I look
Speaker 1: like I have a stamp on me? It says Panasonica.
Speaker 1: She's playing all this beautiful harp and people are just
Speaker 1: surrounding her. Then she tips it ever, all right, that's lunch.
Speaker 4: That was so funny, like it's a construction job.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was such a.
Speaker 3: Great just unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I mean, man, I wish we saw her more in
Speaker 4: that character throughout the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dear mad TV, I know, huh threw you man,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean we did all right without her,
Speaker 1: but with her, I just think, I mean, it could
Speaker 1: have been a little funnier of a show, not that
Speaker 1: it needed to be any funnier, but man, you got
Speaker 1: Drella and the Independence in if.
Speaker 4: You had Drella with Michelle, just going back and forth
Speaker 4: through the whole series, actually of them you got.
Speaker 1: You got the you got the Suki in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with the comedy, you got the Drella, you got the Michelle,
Speaker 1: you got Laural Anson. I mean it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: you'd never want to leave the Independence in so great,
Speaker 1: so great, and then the chilt and Dad shows up
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it puts on the full court
Speaker 1: press there.
Speaker 4: That was quick. He didn't go to work, he just
Speaker 4: went He dropped off this kid and went to the Independence.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean of course. I mean you
Speaker 1: meet somebody like that and the ViBe's there, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna show up. He's like, uh huh uh yeah. And uh.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that she respected Rory's boundaries here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Not she got swept up
Speaker 1: on it and swept up in it in the moment,
Speaker 1: which was a little you know, inappropriate, you know. But
Speaker 1: still when there's you know, this sort of mutual attraction,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard to resist it, I guess
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, especially somebody looks Lorelei. But
Speaker 1: you know, she kind of made up for it and
Speaker 1: cleaned it up a little bit with like, nah, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a chilter and dad can't do it. You could
Speaker 1: tell she was tempted, but her daughter, you know, her
Speaker 1: daughter comes first and it just makes you love her
Speaker 1: even more. Right, good job, mom, way to go. But
Speaker 1: he's coming back from China and he will return.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, Now we get to the they we'll go
Speaker 1: back to Chilton and her project is wrecked. Paris's project
Speaker 1: is destroyed by Rory pulling on her locker and falling
Speaker 1: backwards after not being able to open her locker. In
Speaker 1: the whole thing, I mean, they really wreck that thing. Man,
Speaker 1: that thing just blowed it all over the ground.
Speaker 4: I felt really bad for her. I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 4: was taken. And also the fact that the teacher only
Speaker 4: gave her one day to do it. She can't redo
Speaker 4: that whole thing kind of felt I felt for Pars
Speaker 4: a little bit in that moment.
Speaker 1: A lot of glue, right, yeah, yeah, I mean she's
Speaker 1: not going to be able to rebuild it from scratch,
Speaker 1: She's got to blow it all.
Speaker 2: Also, did she just leave it on the floor for it.
Speaker 4: Like glass?
Speaker 2: Yeah, did not address it at all.
Speaker 4: Just it's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's true to character, right, I mean that's how she
Speaker 1: grew up, right. She probably never took a plate to
Speaker 1: the sink and rinsed it off. She just left it
Speaker 1: on the table with all the crumbs and all the Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, we have that little tet tet
Speaker 1: in the classroom, and the teacher and I odd very
Speaker 1: wisely said all right, you two need to work together, okay,
Speaker 1: since you broke it and you know you're gonna help
Speaker 1: her fix it, and they gave her a day. Uh,
Speaker 1: Paris wanted nothing to do with that. She didn't want help.
Speaker 1: She kept telling Rory to shut up and that was that.
Speaker 1: So now we just keep building on this tension between
Speaker 1: these two and it's wonderful to watch.
Speaker 4: I also like the way Alexis played just like she
Speaker 4: was just so overwhelmed. When she's like, do you go by,
Speaker 4: are you Rory or are you LAURALI, she goes call
Speaker 4: me whatever you want or like whatever she says. It
Speaker 4: was just it was just played so well. And then
Speaker 4: at the end the teachers like, by the way, we
Speaker 4: have a new student, right right, right right, Like those
Speaker 4: comedic moments in the element.
Speaker 3: It was so lovely to watch because I hadn't seen
Speaker 3: it for such a long time to see Alexis in
Speaker 3: this from the beginning, because she had that wonderful vulnerability
Speaker 3: and believability, you know. And if you think about also
Speaker 3: just Alexis as a person's she's coming into this new city,
Speaker 3: she's got this huge weight on her shoulders of being
Speaker 3: the second lead in a show crazy hours. I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's probably some relatability to this episode
Speaker 3: two filming, where you're going into this new school and
Speaker 3: there's all these expectations and this, and I always thought
Speaker 3: that was such a key thing about the series, but
Speaker 3: seeing it in episode two and just watching how you're
Speaker 3: drawn into Alexis because you believe her. I think I
Speaker 3: believe her in this, and I care about I care
Speaker 3: about her journey through this maze of a yea of
Speaker 3: a school, and Alexis probably you know, in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: the city she's not, she hasn't been in before, you know,
Speaker 3: navigating this whole world too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah. No, imagine being eighteen and thrown into
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 2: This, really, right, it's it.
Speaker 1: I know that she didn't expect this level of work daily.
Speaker 1: Who would, right, I mean who really somebody experienced in
Speaker 1: the business would be like overwhelmed with it, like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot, it's a lot. Their schedule
Speaker 1: was terrible, it was, it was. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: consider having like the two greatest jobs, maybe among the
Speaker 1: two greatest jobs in the history of television, now that's
Speaker 1: turning out the show as establishing itself, as you know,
Speaker 1: deeply wove it into the fa fabric of pop culture
Speaker 1: America and global society, and in the at least in
Speaker 1: the entertainment side of things. But yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: price that those two had to pay in terms of
Speaker 1: their their personal life and free time, they had to
Speaker 1: donate all of that to the show. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think half the time she wasn't acting. It
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I am really overwhelmed with this, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to do this. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm eighteen, and man, this is not what
Speaker 1: I expected it to be. Like, you know, because you're
Speaker 1: god eighteen, Remember when you were eighteen. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: it's a lot farther away from me than it is
Speaker 1: for you two. But you know, eighteen is know, it's
Speaker 1: fraught with fraught with a strong feelings and and a
Speaker 1: lot of energy and a lot of excitement about life
Speaker 1: and you know, just beginning it. And that's the beginning
Speaker 1: of your college experience, you know, and if you go
Speaker 1: to college. And yeah, there she was an old pro
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers sixteen hours a day. So yeah, it translated,
Speaker 1: it definitely translated into the work. Ah. All right, so
Speaker 1: we go back to loops and a.
Speaker 4: Lot of loops she having.
Speaker 1: We kind of you know, look, we kind of went
Speaker 1: over this already. But a pivotal scene, I think a
Speaker 1: big scene between these two really really a pivotal scene.
Speaker 1: Now we know perhaps what the stakes are or what
Speaker 1: they potentially could be, that maybe Luke's candidate. How's this
Speaker 1: gonna go? All right? So we pretty much talked about
Speaker 1: this iconic line came out of this iconic wardrobe, iconic line.
Speaker 1: You know, these are the characters, these two characters as
Speaker 1: we remember them most fondly. Ah, all right, So then
Speaker 1: we get to the auspicious debut of one Sean guns
Speaker 1: as as Kirk, the debut of Kirk as Mick. Right,
Speaker 1: but he isn't.
Speaker 3: He's Mick Emily Why the change is so much different
Speaker 3: than Mick? But I just.
Speaker 1: This show. But here, here's the thing I love about
Speaker 1: the show is that Amy is so loyal to people
Speaker 1: that she's fond of, which was like all of us, right,
Speaker 1: that she's like, I gotta have more Sean gun So
Speaker 1: I don't care like like I'm sure Warner Brothers or
Speaker 1: you know, maybe people around and saying no, you can't
Speaker 1: do that. He's been established at Mick, but she goes, no,
Speaker 1: I want him as Kirk. This is this is how
Speaker 1: I see him now. And she's stuck to her guns
Speaker 1: and made him Kirk and does anybody care? No, It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: I think there's also one more episode before he's actually
Speaker 4: established as Kirk, like he's yeah, so there was like
Speaker 4: there was like two or three where he's just a
Speaker 4: random character.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, just just beautiful. So Emily, uh, Emily's
Speaker 1: being a little uh uh. I mean, she's being very
Speaker 1: generous and she wants things to go well for Rory,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's really insulting to Laurel. I
Speaker 1: and it and it should be and and and she's
Speaker 1: not liking it. And it's like, hey, man, you know
Speaker 1: I did the heavy lifting here with my daughter, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to do the heavy lifting because
Speaker 1: it's not heavy lifting, it's just what I do. It's
Speaker 1: how I love my daughter. And so uh Lorle I
Speaker 1: bounced Nick, see you get out of here. And and
Speaker 1: we meet we meet Babette and Maury and they provide
Speaker 1: us with the information that the DSL installers kicked a
Speaker 1: gnome in the head.
Speaker 4: And there are so many gnomes in the yard too.
Speaker 1: What a bizarre world we are in, right where you've
Speaker 1: got and and Maury says, and you know, he kicked
Speaker 1: a gnome in the head, and that's not cool. It's
Speaker 1: not cool. Nothing about it is cool.
Speaker 2: We know Maury knows what is cool and what is
Speaker 2: not cool. By the way he is dressed, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, right, you know, all black with black sunglasses and.
Speaker 3: Glasses always regardless of the weather.
Speaker 1: All right, let's bounce back to Chilton, and now we
Speaker 1: see Rory is seated next to Paris. And this is
Speaker 1: where Rory sort of draws her sword a little bit
Speaker 1: and says, look, how pointy and sharp this thing is, right,
Speaker 1: answers a couple of questions about Martin Luther, who it
Speaker 1: was and what year it was Martin Luther fifteen twenty,
Speaker 1: and then we get the dirty looks from Paris. So
Speaker 1: it's game on, man.
Speaker 4: My favorite line, which is hello Mary. It was just
Speaker 4: like the delivery. It was just perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good, isn't he. He was eighteen at the
Speaker 1: time too. Wow, God, man, imagine being eighteen and being
Speaker 1: able to do that. Well, I'm sure you guys can
Speaker 1: I couldn't all right now. A great scene, great scene
Speaker 1: for Lauren and also firmly. But it's like at the salon,
Speaker 1: Lorel I storms in and just sort of tells off her.
Speaker 4: Mom.
Speaker 1: You know, I love I loved how she walked up
Speaker 1: to the the contraption over Emily's head and knocked on
Speaker 1: it like she was knocking on a door.
Speaker 4: That's Funny's great. That would freak me out too, though.
Speaker 1: It would be loud, right, yeah, And so now we
Speaker 1: have Laurel I establishing boundaries, re establishing boundaries just because
Speaker 1: you paid for Chiltern and I so appreciate that, and
Speaker 1: you know I will pay you back. But don't cross
Speaker 1: this line again. Mom, I'll make the decisions. We like
Speaker 1: our slow internet. We get to dance around and build
Speaker 1: an appetite and have some snacks and then we go
Speaker 1: back to work. That's how we liked it. That's how
Speaker 1: I do it with my daughter. Okay, so butt out.
Speaker 1: And it was I thought, you know, Lourla I was
Speaker 1: appropriately angry, and it's like now is the time. It's
Speaker 1: like she couldn't contain it anymore. And we see that
Speaker 1: Emily's a little embarrassed, and we are not used to
Speaker 1: seeing Emily back on her heels. Even though we've just
Speaker 1: met her, we can tell that this is not a
Speaker 1: woman who has to be defensive. Ever, She's always got
Speaker 1: it together, or she's on the attack in some way,
Speaker 1: or she's plotting. So interesting dynamic. And as we've discussed
Speaker 1: the pickup scene at She'll, where there's an iconic moment
Speaker 1: where Rory just falls into her mother's arms and and
Speaker 1: that is that is a very memorable scene, very memorable
Speaker 1: physicality between mother and daughter which just collapses into her arms.
Speaker 1: Don't let me go, Mom, I'm not done yet. I
Speaker 1: need more hugs. They both had horrible days, and this
Speaker 1: is where we get the the good lines. And once
Speaker 1: they get into the jeep about the Virgin Mary, why
Speaker 1: is he calling me Mary? Well, he's because you know,
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary. And and but if I was what'd
Speaker 1: she say? What if you? What if I was a
Speaker 1: little more slutty and luralized this, well, that would be
Speaker 1: a Magdalen. Biblical insults, insults of biblical proportions. All right,
Speaker 1: So now we come to the iconic lane in Kim
Speaker 1: in a fox a pink fox hoodie, foxy Foxy? Was
Speaker 1: it fox or foxy? Taking a nighttime stroll with with
Speaker 1: Lorelei and Rory, all having had pizza okay.
Speaker 2: And just to eat two meals and multiple meals.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that scene. Do you remember that scene? Keiko?
Speaker 2: I do not at all.
Speaker 1: Tell us anyway make something up.
Speaker 2: Full night in Burbank to believe that I was Connecticut, Scott.
Speaker 1: It was a brisk night in Burbank. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: The salamanders had gone away for the day, the street
Speaker 1: corner of the streets no longer hot.
Speaker 2: The airplanes for some reason, we're not landing in Bourbon.
Speaker 3: We had the quiet that we needed for that crucial
Speaker 3: outdoor shot as we.
Speaker 2: Did our mini wunner across the street.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it was it was a really interesting camera
Speaker 1: position because you guys were in the distance. There was
Speaker 1: some you know, there was some railings or or or
Speaker 1: partitions in front of you, separating the camera and you guys,
Speaker 1: and it looked like a movie shot.
Speaker 4: There was.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of movie shots in these first
Speaker 1: two episodes. There's a lot of sort of film movie
Speaker 1: shots in these Yeah, and I enjoy them so much.
Speaker 1: And you guys will walk into frame and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you had your little easy friendship and breezy
Speaker 1: nice time and the three girls enjoying each other's company
Speaker 1: in pizza, and then we say you have to take
Speaker 1: off your you have to take off your hoodie, you
Speaker 1: have to take the ribbons out of your hair and
Speaker 1: transform back into Lane Kim prisoner of Missus Kim.
Speaker 3: I did sort of enjoy, well, definitely enjoyed the fact
Speaker 3: that you know, they found a way to have to
Speaker 3: have the Lane Rory relationship feel easy and just part
Speaker 3: of the fabric of life that it didn't necessarily need
Speaker 3: to be. That we went to school together, but we
Speaker 3: were still close, right, and that home life would home
Speaker 3: life being stars hollow. I guess is also includes Lane
Speaker 3: is kind of.
Speaker 2: Part of that fabric, which which I.
Speaker 3: Loved and felt it was a way to I think,
Speaker 3: keep keep that, keep that friendship and dynamic involved in
Speaker 3: the show over time as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these years later, it's amazing how deeply the
Speaker 1: lame your character and Missus Kim resonates throughout that show.
Speaker 1: It was a huge piece of that. Even though I
Speaker 1: don't know that you guys, you know, you and Emily
Speaker 1: had a ton of screen time, but but what you
Speaker 1: guys did was just so h It's so deeply embedded
Speaker 1: in me because it was just so good and it
Speaker 1: was so thank you. I mean, it said everything. It was.
Speaker 1: It was it was like, you know, this the difference
Speaker 1: between cultures, and it was the you know, pretty much
Speaker 1: the opposite of what uh Lorelei and Rory had and right,
Speaker 1: it was just so moving and so powerful the work
Speaker 1: that you two did together. And then to have a
Speaker 1: nice relaxing stroll at night eating pizza in a small
Speaker 1: town with your best friend and your and your you know,
Speaker 1: your second mom. Almost really lovely scene, really really lovely scene.
Speaker 1: All right. So Laura I says she had a Paris
Speaker 1: in high school. I mean, this is after you go
Speaker 1: back and you know you want the cross, give me
Speaker 1: the crust? Can I have your crust? I have to
Speaker 1: go to dinner now. My mom's I'm late for dinner,
Speaker 1: all right, so you you take off and uh so,
Speaker 1: Laura I tells her daughter, Listen, I had to Paris
Speaker 1: and you'll be okay, And Rory Ashore's yeah, I'll get
Speaker 1: through it. I'll figure I'll figure it out, mom. Because
Speaker 1: mom says, do you need me to talk to anybody?
Speaker 1: Hire a guy named Vinnie, what do you need? I'll
Speaker 1: do anything, And she says, I'll handle it, Mom, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. And then they stop and they
Speaker 1: take a look at Luke, who's cleaning cleaning a table,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't see them, or so we think, and
Speaker 1: they sort of spy him a little bit, and and
Speaker 1: Laura I asked the question, what do you think? What
Speaker 1: do you think of? Look? What do you think?
Speaker 4: You think?
Speaker 1: He's cute? And and and Rory's like, OK no, no, mom,
Speaker 1: no we could. You can't date him. He's like, come on,
Speaker 1: we'll ever be able to eat there ever again, because
Speaker 1: because it's inevitable, it isn't gonna work out. That plays
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in our own mother's ability to
Speaker 1: have sustained relationships. But but a very nice moment at
Speaker 1: the end after they walk off and Luke walks out
Speaker 1: of the diner and just looks after them like he
Speaker 1: was aware and a little disappointed they didn't come in maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, very touching stuff. So again, episode two ends
Speaker 1: with the diner yep, just like episode one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: Whatever the last and there's an un and then there's
Speaker 6: an unanswered question, why does it say William's hardware because
Speaker 6: we don't know that it's his dad's store yet, that
Speaker 6: he inherited from his father.
Speaker 1: We don't know that yet. Yeah, we see the Luke sign,
Speaker 1: and then we see another Luke sign which is a
Speaker 1: smaller one on the other window on the opposite side,
Speaker 1: right on the left side of the door, that is
Speaker 1: a white light with red letters. And I don't know
Speaker 1: that it was in this episode. I'll go back and
Speaker 1: try to find out. But but there was also a
Speaker 1: Lukes Diner coffee mug logo that became you know, the
Speaker 1: logo was on the Was it on the side of
Speaker 1: the dowa?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was treeway. It was like not in this scene.
Speaker 4: It was like I think it was one of the
Speaker 4: scenes where Laura I walked in and it was like
Speaker 4: kind of like established that that was It was like
Speaker 4: the coffee exactly what the sign looks like now, maybe
Speaker 4: just a different version of it. But yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 4: in the final scene though, when the camera zoomed out.
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing that this show is so meaningful to
Speaker 1: so many people, that that Luke's Diner logo has become
Speaker 1: iconic in a way that few logos are yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people instantly they see that Luke's diner mug with
Speaker 1: the red letters, the yellow mug with the red letters,
Speaker 1: and the feelings that that evokes in people. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1: Just just stunning show?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: So one tradition we're going to hang on to, I think,
Speaker 1: is how we felt about the episode. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if we want to rate them anymore one
Speaker 1: to ten or anything, but uh, keiko start out, what
Speaker 1: do you think of these this this second episode? You
Speaker 1: think it was?
Speaker 2: Oh, I was really I was really touched.
Speaker 3: You know, it had been it had been years since
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen it. But even in that last moment,
Speaker 3: they were just talking about about how she asks Rory
Speaker 3: right at the end of the second episode about Luke,
Speaker 3: you know, so.
Speaker 2: And and all of all of what.
Speaker 3: Happens with with Paris and just and of course the
Speaker 3: iconic uh Laura la Emily dynamic that is going to
Speaker 3: fuel the whole season for seven years. You know, it's
Speaker 3: all like I said at the top of this, as
Speaker 3: we were talking about the fact that all of it
Speaker 3: is there, you know, all of it is there in
Speaker 3: that second episode, right, just makes me love television. Not
Speaker 3: only love this show, but love television. The fact that
Speaker 3: you it really all of the elements are in there,
Speaker 3: embedded in the beginning, and if they're they're good and grounded,
Speaker 3: then we can go on a journey with these people
Speaker 3: and watch them, you know.
Speaker 2: For years, and it's a special, special thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm I loved it. So I don't know
Speaker 3: how you can rate love, but I love.
Speaker 1: The thing that's thrilling about for me watching these first
Speaker 1: two episodes everything you said, but that we get a
Speaker 1: glimpse inside Amy and Dan's brains and how this show,
Speaker 1: how they built the foundation for this show and this
Speaker 1: platform so all of these characters could grow and interact
Speaker 1: and thrive, and it's just it's like being on this
Speaker 1: awesome construction project that's going to sort of make the
Speaker 1: world a better place almost, you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to look at it that way, Because the show really
Speaker 1: has made the world a better place. It's really given
Speaker 1: a great deal of comfort to people. So watching these
Speaker 1: first two episodes is just I felt the same way.
Speaker 1: I felt very moved by it because I now know
Speaker 1: that this show, this little innocent show on this smaller network,
Speaker 1: has grown into something that nobody anticipated that nobody anticipated.
Speaker 1: It just sort of came out of nowhere. Just art
Speaker 1: is fascinating, isn't it just just art is unpredictable and fascinating. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I have one question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if we're going to get this
Speaker 4: chance again. So sorry, Scott, I'm jumping ahead, But Keiko,
Speaker 4: I have to ask you. Recently, with Adam Brodie's show
Speaker 4: on Netflix, everyone's been saying Lane should have been with Dave.
Speaker 5: And absolutely, and everyone's like justice for David Galski. And
Speaker 5: I know we mentioned that, you know, Lane wasn't in
Speaker 5: every scene every episode, but what does it mean to
Speaker 5: you when that character and little moments like that means
Speaker 5: so much the fans? And it keeps coming up because
Speaker 5: I feel like we've talked about that character and that relationship,
Speaker 5: and I guess two part question, what do you wish
Speaker 5: happened with that with that relationship? And too, what does
Speaker 5: it feel like to have moments of the show come
Speaker 5: back in your life?
Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, hang I know I want to
Speaker 1: leave this on a cliffhanger. That's a great question, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's an awesome question. I've been waiting. I
Speaker 1: don't want an answer. You know why I don't want
Speaker 1: an answer. She has to come back exactly, so when
Speaker 1: we get to that fantastic day Vergalski stuff. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: coming back, Kiko, Okay, cool, yes, all right, great and
Speaker 1: then look we'll address it then, Okay, all right, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up. You know, this has
Speaker 1: been an hour and fifteen minutes for you, and I
Speaker 1: know you got to get you got a life there.
Speaker 1: But it always a joy to see you and such
Speaker 1: a pleasure to see you act again. And we'll see
Speaker 1: you next time, you know, and have a great one
Speaker 1: and we will see you soon. And thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on always. It's always special to see you.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, bye, take care, take go again. Everybody, all right,
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, that's gonna that's gonna wrap up Season one,
Speaker 1: episode two. Thank you all for your loyalty and dedication.
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