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Speaker 1: Last, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new

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Speaker 2: commentary and updates and insights. You are welcome.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episodes sixty five, which we named pre

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Speaker 1: Milked Cereal, which makes total sense. In a minute, we.

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Speaker 2: Swear, yeah, we're going to explain everything. This episode came

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Speaker 2: out on April twentieth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: For twenty bro. All right, let's listen to the intro

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Speaker 1: of the episode sixty five. Should we podcast?

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Speaker 2: Are these the new mics? Yes, that's podcast.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's podcast so early in the day. The podcast

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Speaker 1: in this podcast? Feel like we should do it at night?

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is definitely a nocturnal podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like with lights off.

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Speaker 2: Should we shut some stuff down? Maybe make it spooky?

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Speaker 2: Should we? Should you get your central system to shut

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Speaker 2: it all? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know the clapper the entire.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm rich.

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Speaker 1: Oh nothing happened?

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Speaker 2: Oh hi, Yes, this is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen Kilgara and.

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Speaker 2: That's Georgia hard Stark. We're here to talk to you

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Speaker 2: about true crime. Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? We haven't planned any of

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Speaker 1: this conversation.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, although it did have a kind

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Speaker 2: of a lilting, choreographed quality. That's just how we naturally

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Speaker 2: are with each other. That's just us.

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Speaker 1: That's us. We don't write anything down, we don't prepare

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Speaker 1: in any way.

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Speaker 2: We're just like the TV show This is us, that's us,

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Speaker 2: same exact thing. No, I'm sure it's great though, speaking

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Speaker 2: of TV. Oh it's a good segue. Yeah, we wrote

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Speaker 2: that we were heard. Oh it just turns out. Oh

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Speaker 2: that's weird.

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Speaker 1: I just got real TV again after like moving in

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Speaker 1: and being like we don't need TV, let's just we'll

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Speaker 1: just do Reroku and blah blah blah, and all these

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Speaker 1: things didn't work. No, and I was like, I just

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Speaker 1: want to turn like a food show on while I

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Speaker 1: stuff at tamali into my mouth in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't want to have.

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Speaker 1: To beat boop up and find the thing and then

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Speaker 1: like watch the thing. Yeah, you just want to watch

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Speaker 1: h TV for five minutes.

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Speaker 2: You want to dive into the stream of TV that's

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Speaker 2: already happening, as opposed to hunt out specific because I

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Speaker 2: find when I go hunt out specific things, I don't

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Speaker 2: like it when I find like it makes me go, oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't actually like this.

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Speaker 1: Like my food gets cold well, because I can't eat

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Speaker 1: in silence. I have this problem with that.

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Speaker 2: Hut me too.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like you're scrolling like fine, I can

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Speaker 1: watch an episode of or like five minutes of Friends

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Speaker 1: while I fucking eat this Tomali again. The I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. I mean cereal for lunch was Tamali?

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Speaker 2: The choice you made like this will impress people, No, because.

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Speaker 1: They're frozen Tomali's from Trader Joe's, those ones that are

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Speaker 1: like that, they just heat up and put salsa on

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Speaker 1: and then I'm like they're half cold.

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Speaker 2: The way you just said that made it sound like

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Speaker 2: you're like, fine, I'll admit it, I'm eating Cereal. I

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Speaker 2: want you to think I'm sitting here eating Tamali's.

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Speaker 1: Home made Tomali's. Okay, fine, it's not made cereal, you

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Speaker 1: know like I like to do. But you made it yourself, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's not that prepackaged, pre milked cereal, gross pre milk,

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Speaker 2: pre milked I said it.

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Speaker 1: What was it? Like powdered milk and you pour water

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Speaker 1: army has that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they do. So it's like there's powdered

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Speaker 2: milk and then there's cereal, and then there's a little

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Speaker 2: capsule of water and then you break it and there's

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Speaker 2: like a fucking like shitty spoon attached to the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the thing. You break, you freaking thing.

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Speaker 2: Stephen trademark. That Wait, that just reminds me so Guy,

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Speaker 2: our friend Guy Brandam, how to pass over cedar Satyr Satyr?

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 2: I do it wrong every time?

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Speaker 1: What if he just had a pass ever cedar tree

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Speaker 2: I that's how I remembered it that way. I thought

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Speaker 2: Sator because Satyr's like the animal, like the you know,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Wait, oh, I brant him Ssata. How is it?

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Speaker 2: He? It was, of course lovely, he writes. Basically like

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Speaker 2: a whole play. Everyone at the table has parts and

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Speaker 2: you have to like follow along and you say the prayers.

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Speaker 2: But then there's other things and we play games. It's

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Speaker 2: hilarious and really fun. But at one point I he

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Speaker 2: served Quail he served quail and I was eating it

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Speaker 2: and then I flicked out the tiniest wishbone and then

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Speaker 2: I did the I was sitting next to guy named Matt,

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Speaker 2: and so we snapped the wishbone and I f one.

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Speaker 2: I got my wish man.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a wish one since I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: probably at a satyr, But like, that makes me so excited.

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Speaker 2: It's not funny. And it was a tiny one because

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Speaker 2: it was from a quail, so it was like it

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Speaker 2: flicked out and then I was like, hold on a second,

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Speaker 2: I think I just found a wishbone.

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Speaker 1: It was like that the email from fucking animal rights

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Speaker 1: activists and Karen, you know, the wishbone was part of

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Speaker 1: this animal's life and happiness.

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Speaker 2: That's right now, it's part of my happiness because it's

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Speaker 2: going to bring me my wish. Give it. What was

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Speaker 2: your wish?

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Speaker 1: Tell us?

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Speaker 2: We won't tell anyone because then it won't come true. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's not a thing. Just eternal love, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's not going to come true.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you drunk me?

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Speaker 1: Did you eat a filter fish?

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Speaker 2: No? That's my favorite. Uh it wasn't served. He did

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Speaker 2: so every year he does a different theme. It's not

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Speaker 2: standard traditional Jewish food. So it was Syrian food. Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: It was a series of dishes that one more delicious

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Speaker 2: than the next.

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Speaker 1: A series of Syrian food.

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Speaker 2: A series of seris, series.

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Speaker 1: Of Syrian serving. No, forget it, no, you had it.

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Speaker 1: I like, well, there's Syrian Jews. I mean that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Are there? Yeah, tell me about them.

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Speaker 1: I have never met them, but I'm sure they're there.

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Speaker 2: I bet they are.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's amazing television. Yeah, and speaking of you need

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Speaker 1: you really quickly plug the Guy Brenham TV show that

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Speaker 1: you're on. Oh, that's talking about TV and Guy Brenham.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. And that and again, what a great segue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, thanks for remembering your line yet to what

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Speaker 1: we're actually talking about. It's all scripted. If we never

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Speaker 1: actually the segues are great, but they never talk about Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's why people hate this podcast. I am on a

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Speaker 2: television show called talk show. The game show. Guy Branham

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Speaker 2: is the host. He's also our legal representative, but he

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Speaker 2: is also a talk show host on a game show

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Speaker 2: on True TV Networks. So it's Wednesday night, it's at

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock. Two episodes have already played. Tomorrow night will

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Speaker 2: be the third episode?

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Speaker 1: Is that Friday night?

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Speaker 2: Or Wednesday night? Wednesday night? Oh shoot, so last night?

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Speaker 2: So next week?

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Speaker 1: Whatever? Had I'm sure that they're playing it. I've seen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they repeat it. But but I wish

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Speaker 2: this was earlier because I think this they're like now,

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Speaker 2: it's all they're watching the ratings to see if they're

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Speaker 2: gonna pick it up please everyone Wednesday such alarm clocks.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll tweet about it. But anyway, anyway, so TV.

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Speaker 1: I got TV finally, and then I watched the which

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Speaker 1: means I get all access to fucking ID and you know,

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Speaker 1: Dateline all this shit, and everyone's like, did you watch

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Speaker 1: Casey like three part Casey Anthony thing right? And so

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is my job. I'm

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Speaker 2: Can I just say I saw those tweets and questions

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Speaker 2: and hey, watch this and whatever, and I purposely don't

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Speaker 2: watch anything about Casey Anthony. I don't like that. I

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Speaker 2: don't find anything in that story.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that we really just don't

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: It's because I hate that story so much.

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Speaker 1: Me too, And I was gonna say I just fucking

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Speaker 1: was just like, fuck this con man. She just sucks

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Speaker 2: But I don't understand why she is. This the glamorization

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Speaker 2: went to a party and maybe killed her child, But like,

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Speaker 2: are we reporting about her more than other people because

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Speaker 2: she's like a skinny white girl that was like at

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Speaker 1: That I think they get lumped together a lot. I

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Speaker 2: It's hard to watch.

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Speaker 1: Like her jails tell you know, conversations with her parents

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Speaker 1: where you know, when she first gets arrested is like me, me, me,

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Speaker 1: me me, not my daughter's dead. There's nothing about like

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Speaker 1: it's just like her poor parents have to come to

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Speaker 2: I can't tell if it's because I haven't had enough

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Speaker 2: diet coke today, but I feel nauseous right now talking

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Speaker 2: about her like she that it makes me nostals because

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Speaker 2: there's other cold hearted bitches in the world, but this

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Speaker 2: is like saying, let's pay more attention to her because

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Speaker 2: she weighs ninety seven pounds. I just hate the Nancy

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Speaker 2: grace of at all for this particular story. And it's

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Speaker 2: the same one with the other one, where I was

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Speaker 2: always like, why, yes, why are we talking about her?

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Speaker 2: And it's the same thing. It's this kind of like

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Speaker 2: can you believe this hot bitch is this much of

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Speaker 2: a cunts? Basically, can you believe he knew? Yes, who

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Speaker 2: fucking knew. There's so many different types of counts out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, can you believe not hot bitches are funny? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because that's what they fucking needed to do. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that's that's the most common is we're not hot.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're funny.

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Speaker 1: We didn't grow up.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Hey, listen, listen, listen and learn, listen and

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Speaker 2: It is birthday corner? Is it birthday corner, Stevens, that's right,

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Speaker 2: it's Stephen's birthday corner.

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Speaker 1: Stephen's birthday corner.

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Speaker 2: Hi, it was I thought you were gonna give it

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Speaker 2: Come, so worst feeling, or you're waiting for that sombrera

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Speaker 2: Can I tell it? Well, I won't tell it now

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Speaker 2: because we're trying to give a birthday greeting. But one

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Speaker 1: What it actually doing the nice that's like, so shows

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Speaker 2: You're just presenting Stephen with his birthday gift from us.

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Speaker 2: It's organic and we're making you open it on on camera.

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Speaker 3: So much pressure on camera.

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Speaker 2: There's so much pressure to like this.

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Speaker 3: I can do it with one hand. Okay, good, there's

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Speaker 2: Mall. No, don't give them a shout out.

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Speaker 1: We paid for this.

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Speaker 3: I'll cut that out.

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Speaker 3: Out, Stevens. It's organic whiskey. That's so cool. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: It's also non alcoholic. We hop about that. We're worried

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Speaker 3: we want dear Stephen, thank you so much for everything.

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Speaker 3: We've donated three hundred dollars, oh my gosh, to Santy

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Karen and Georgia. Oh thank you.

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Speaker 1: Santa Door is a really great catch. Not I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's oh my god, but you love Yeah, yeah,

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00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 3: I've done done work with them before. Yeah, the Christy

437
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: Keith has been on my podcast, The per Cres This

438
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 3: is so amazing. Yeah, it's like, because I've seen that

439
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: you can do that, you can like basically like, yeah,

440
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: sponsor a cat, Oh my god, thank you.

441
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: So well, we just get it to them and said

442
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: this is for Stephen Ray Morris. I like that.

443
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Speaker 2: That Actually, the feel of all of that really turned

444
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: into a look what we did for you.

445
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: I know, look at how good we are?

446
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: Can I say that?

447
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: Vince was like pushing hard for like the past month

448
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: or like what do I Stephen? And he just kept saying,

449
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: what about a house Kimo, No, he can wear on

450
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: the house.

451
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: He just capt and I was like, what the fuck

452
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: are why are you fucking pushing for this? It's like,

453
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can just see Stephen enjoying a

454
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: house como and I was like, he has a roommate.

455
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: Just lounging around. Yeah, I mean, I mean this is great.

456
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: First second you were it was like pull out a cat,

457
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: just like you're sending cat.

458
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: We got you a a cat. You can take that

459
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: where we take three hundred dollars back and then buy

460
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: a cat. And I got a cat? What are they

461
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: called mill? Mill?

462
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: This is much better? Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

463
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: Happy day.

464
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirtyth yeah, the Big three. Oh I wanted people

465
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: to think I was twenty, but.

466
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: We're fired. Okay, oh yeah, we don't have anyone over

467
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: thirty in our Oh.

468
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: No, it's agism. We totally support it. Stephen, What are

469
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: you going to in your next thirty years? Let's hear

470
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: a short term goal? I lets say a long term goal.

471
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: Let's hop how are you going to reposition yourself for

472
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: the next thirty.

473
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I want to invest in real estate. I

474
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: feel like that's smart.

475
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: It is.

476
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: It's like what would we say, I want to eat

477
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: a million things.

478
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: Have have more donut companies make donuts of my face. Yes,

479
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: that's smart, and then have like a cat ranch. Maybe

480
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: just open up.

481
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: This sounds amazing. Really huge cats, like horse sized cats. Cool,

482
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: it's all man coons, like the biggest cats you've ever

483
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: seen children riding cats.

484
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: I think that's I mean, that feels like giving back,

485
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: you know.

486
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Yes, smart, Yeah, these are all positive things. What's one

487
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: insane stupid thing you're going to do?

488
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: I mean the one like because I kind of feel

489
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: like I'm doing what I love for a living now

490
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: and I feel really lucky to feel that way. But

491
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: there's always like that one insane thing that you're like,

492
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: oh if I had this, Like I've always wanted to

493
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: learn how to fly an airplane. Oh, one thing that

494
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: like I feel like when you can afford the gas

495
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 3: money because like renting, like learning how to fly isn't

496
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: that expensive, but renting the buying the gas is the expensive.

497
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: That's interesting.

498
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: And I've always wanted to like learn how to fly plane.

499
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Stephen, here's okay, now we're going to make a solid plan.

500
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: You do that, You take the next how long does

501
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: it take? Eighteen months? Learned to fly planes? And then

502
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: we get.

503
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: A private plane.

504
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: I knew you were going there, right, Yeah, and we

505
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: go Internacio now.

506
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, flyover in National Yeah.

507
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: We're going to and Karen and I are on the

508
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: wings the whole time.

509
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: We Amelia Hair Air Heart the fuck out of this tour.

510
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: I means we die.

511
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah island yep it ended.

512
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're pretty sure.

513
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: They found off an island they found Yeah.

514
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh no, no, no. The birthday Amelia air hurts like

515
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: died of starvation? Turney is your bad news birthday? Yep,

516
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: it turns out Amelia Earhart is dead.

517
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: Can I just say too that growing up, yeah, Santa

518
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: is not real? Oh ship careful. The thirties thirties are

519
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: your best. The twenties. You couldn't fucking pay me view

520
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: my twenties again.

521
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: No, I'm stoked to be thirty. Yeah, I'm really excited.

522
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: Good twenties are a disaster, right, But thirties. I would

523
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: say this about your thirties thirties because you're out of

524
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: your twenties. You think now, I know, now, I get it.

525
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: Just remember that you do not know, and that once

526
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: you're in the position of that then you can kind

527
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: of like be flexible. But my big mistake in my

528
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: thirties is like, ugh, I'm so much smarter now, and

529
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: I think that made me even stupider.

530
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: Mine was that I have to grow up now and

531
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, and you don't have to like people who

532
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: are like I'm thirty two and I'm going to marry

533
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: my boyfriend and I'm like, don't fucking do that.

534
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: You don't even you're thirty two, Like.

535
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: Just don't don't take anything like relationships and jobs and

536
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: whatever situation you're in as seriously as you think you're

537
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: supposed to win. You're in your thirties, like you can

538
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: wait till your later thirties, which I'm about to be

539
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah.

540
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah, thank you, Steven.

541
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, And now you give us advice.

542
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, the carriage thing was kind of in the real

543
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: estate that.

544
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: You're right realist.

545
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: That was like I was kind of hinting that you

546
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: two idiots who don't spend your money. Well, should have

547
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: you read her friend? Steven?

548
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: Well done.

549
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: We're glad you're here.

550
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're very glad we have you here.

551
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

552
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: And soon you'll be paid for your work, can't. Someone

553
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: we were getting interviewed for something and someone was like,

554
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: can I just ask do you pay Steven? Like almost

555
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: like you put him through so much shit, do you

556
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: at least pay him? And I'm like, yeah, people, they're

557
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: very concerned that we're that we really are mean to you, Yeah,

558
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: which is not true. So there's three hundred dollars in

559
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: charity to prove we're not dick.

560
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: Oh no, it okay, good. You had a sister. You

561
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be treated like shit. We all,

562
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: all three of us know what it's like to be

563
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: treated like a sister, like a sibling.

564
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's right. That's why we treat at will what

565
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: however we want, coming from a victims stance. Now, I

566
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: do have a correction this corner. Okay. We talked about

567
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: it a little bit in both Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and Chicago,

568
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: but I am everyone forced to say to the nation

569
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: and the world.

570
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: I forgot about it. Everyone's holding their breath.

571
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: Marry Hill. Everyone knows Cherry Hill's in New Jersey. Everyone

572
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: knows that, every single person on this planet.

573
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't.

574
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: I certainly didn't, and neither do the producers of City Confidential,

575
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: because they really led me to believe that Cherry Hill

576
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: was in Pennsylvania.

577
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, because I just love this where it's like,

578
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: so you did your murder a week ago before the

579
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: live show aired, Yeah, and it was about.

580
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: Fred Newlanders, right, the running Rabbi.

581
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought maybe you were like I did

582
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: it once on accident, but you thought it was there.

583
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

584
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the problem with it really is that I

585
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: feel like some other part of my brain did know that,

586
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: Like the first indoor mall was in New Jersey. That

587
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: just makes good sense. I guess who the fuck? No

588
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: context clues. No, No, you're right, I mean I don't.

589
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: I'll just write down whatever and then say whatever.

590
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Middle of Pennsylvania, like middle of nowhere, not near Pittsburgh

591
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: has to be so boring that they're like put them

592
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: all here because everyone's so bored. All they do is

593
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: like clouds trouble. Let's give them a place to.

594
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: Go, get them, give them a nice indoor mall.

595
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Give them the all Like New Jersey's kind of fine.

596
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: They have like cool, weird shit to do, don't they.

597
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't either. I clearly don't know

598
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: anything about any What I said to people when we

599
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: were on tour was in California. You can't just go

600
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: to another state real fast, which is how they were

601
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: making it sound. In the city conveinential, Like the daughter

602
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: lived in Philly and so she like drove into Cherry Hill.

603
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: So like that just led me to believe you can't

604
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: just drive in. If you're in LA and you want

605
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: to drive in from Nevada, that's going to take a while.

606
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it just doesn't make sense to someone that

607
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: lives on this part of the planet.

608
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: You know what, fuck it, fuck it all? Who fucking cares?

609
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: Fuck it all?

610
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Fuck it up?

611
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: That's the that's the tagline. Why am I the one

612
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: singing now? Because it's fun? You got to do it,

613
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: and also you can do it. You try to act

614
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: like you can't and you can't. Okay, I just did it.

615
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: You're right, I did it. Where are we now?

616
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Should we talk about the theme of this podcast?

617
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

618
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Murder?

619
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: Oh, not singing? And we're back. Are you surprised that

620
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: we used to have like nine topics at the top

621
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: of every show, because I am that's so many corners?

622
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's set a precedent. So now and we

623
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: don't have more than like three, I feel like we're

624
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: not giving everything we have, right, Yeah, So, like, what's

625
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: the happy medium? Six and a half?

626
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Having never started this podcast, don't say that, Karen?

627
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: How about it? Really? It has taken me a long

628
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: time to get used to recording this podcast during the day,

629
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: but I still feel like, this is a it's dark

630
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: out let's record. Yeah, but I guess not that we're

631
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: in the studio where it's always dark out inside.

632
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: Yes, it's okay, it's always nighttime in here. It is.

633
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: And you walk out, You're like, how it's still fucking

634
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: light out.

635
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: When you go outside and it's full sun and over

636
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: ninety degrees right, it's like leaving a party at five am.

637
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Ooh oh god. Yeah, that was the worst.

638
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: This is my way of introducing white drugs into the

639
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: current recording schedule.

640
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: We're never having started. We're doing fucking white drugs and

641
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: fucking pre milk. Cereal now in twenty twenty five, in

642
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: today's America exists, it's real. We were like, what's the word.

643
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: Uh visionaries?

644
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. In twenty seventeen, we're like, why is in

645
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: this a thing? And kell Ogg was like, guess what.

646
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two, they launched instables single sort of cereal

647
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: bowls containing dry cereal plus powdered milk, which I've never

648
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: had powdered milk before. Of you.

649
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I had it at camp and it's not pleasant.

650
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: It's not milk.

651
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: It's like, if you are from a dairy based community,

652
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: like I was dairy proud. Our creamries are are our

653
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: bread and butter literally, and powdered milk doesn't taste right. Well,

654
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: it's kind of taste. It tastes a little bit like creamer.

655
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: It's a little chalky, kind of powdery.

656
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: It's abomination.

657
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: But then like some people grew up on it where

658
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: it's like more convenient, it's cheaper whatever. So and also

659
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: once you get that sugar cereal in there, you're fine.

660
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: It's like powdered coffee or you're like, I know that

661
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: this is not fresh frud fucking fresh ground beans, but

662
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I want coffee right now. Yes, And so I will

663
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: live with this.

664
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: I will take the caffeine hit any way. You serve

665
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: it up to me.

666
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: Right and in a couple of days, I fucking like it.

667
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I find myself liking it.

668
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: And it's cheap.

669
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: I prefer it. Yes, I want that spoon sound and

670
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: the bug.

671
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: What I think is funny is like, is this for

672
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: people who go camping or something? Who because basically, when

673
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: you're eating cereal, asl cool J said, milk, yeah, cereal,

674
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean you don't you don't mess with the most basic,

675
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: beautiful recipe of regular milk.

676
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: Cerea sounds like a government cheese situation.

677
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it might be a are.

678
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: You camping the what's that trail that everyone loves?

679
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: The Oregon Trails, cit the Northwest, the Appalachian Trail, all that.

680
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: There's all those ones. If you're hiking them, you need

681
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: powdered fucking milk.

682
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, no judgment. You can powder your milk all

683
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: you want or whatever, or not have it.

684
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: Argue with us about it.

685
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: Let's debate this thing. Let's get it going anyway. Congratulations

686
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: on inventing powdered milk cereals.

687
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations us.

688
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Yes, finally, also very cute that we're talking about basically

689
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: going all the listeners are getting together and creating their

690
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: murdering no subsets, communities, you know whatever, the groups and

691
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: being able to like reflect on that basically if it's

692
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: a little over a year old. Yeah, so we're really

693
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: seeing the kind of effects of this is actually a

694
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: thing that they're doing by themselves.

695
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Totally, Like they're realizing that there are other people that

696
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: they can count on who are into the same things

697
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: and don't think they're weird, or do think they're weird.

698
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: But like that about like the weirdness. Yeah, they would

699
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: never speak at work and suddenly they go, oh my god,

700
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: are you serious? Right? You know what I know?

701
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've just had ten years of that now and

702
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: it's been fucking incredible.

703
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

704
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: One of the best, absolute best parts of this podcast

705
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: is like how many people have like come together through it.

706
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, watching a community build itself around bullshit you and

707
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: your friends say, yeah, once a week is quite an experience.

708
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: And we get all the credit and we get.

709
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: A bunch of money. And I got to move out

710
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: of my dark, little, weird fucking house and into a

711
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: beautiful mid century dream home.

712
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: That's right. I always think I was still renting at

713
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: this point the pod loft, it hadn't all blown up yet,

714
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I have a

715
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: dishwasher like that was That was a game changer.

716
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: And high ceilings in that second apartment.

717
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Fucking ceilings in the podloft department. In a hot tub

718
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: and a hot tub with a cat wasn't my hot tub.

719
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: It was a community hot tub. But I am not

720
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: picky when it comes to hot tubs.

721
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: You made it your own hot tubs. You were out

722
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: there with your goddamn night pudding in the world.

723
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: You know. It was so great though, because our balcony

724
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: overlooked the pool, so I could be like, is anyone

725
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: in there? Before I went down because a fucking awkward

726
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: thing of like you start walking towards the jacuzie someone's

727
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: in there, they see you. You can't turn around and

728
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: walk the other way.

729
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: You just lock eyes and then get in as you're

730
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: staring in like hot soupy water, let's make humans soup together?

731
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: So what are you watching on Netflix?

732
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: Just there's no way, no So I could peek out

733
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: the window. If someone was in there by the time

734
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: I got down there, I would just be so disappointed.

735
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: But usually it was like.

736
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: Then you're like looking up and you're like, where are

737
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: the security cameras? Okay? Checking this area?

738
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: Like you just usin some laps. Yeah, I'd like to do.

739
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: It's a freezing cold pool. I'm just gonna jump in there.

740
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: All right. Well, should we get into your store this one?

741
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this one today?

742
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Just seeing it? Well, first of all, I just saw

743
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: TikTok where they were talking about's been like fifteen years

744
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: and Ronnie Chasin's murder has not been solved. Holy shit,

745
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: there's lots of theories. The person who basically did all

746
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: of the work on Ronnie Chasin's murder, which was a

747
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: mystery when it happened and continues to be till this day,

748
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: as a Hollywood reporter reporter from the time named Gary Baum.

749
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: And so it was basically him putting this story together,

750
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: going down to the records hall, all the stuff which

751
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: I will talk about next episode, that put it all together.

752
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: And when I was covering the story, I was watching

753
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: a TV show called Hollywood and Crime, which was a

754
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: play on Hollywood and Vine and really so it's just

755
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: like Hollywood based murders. And so I watched the episode

756
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: of that and just kind of like took notes like

757
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: I used to do with I Survived of like how

758
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: does this story go? But it turns out and they

759
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: didn't adit. Gary Baum on the show. It was like

760
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: the one person that brought this to everybody and knows

761
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: all these ans.

762
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it taught us so much about like up top,

763
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: here's what you do. Yeah, I don't won't talk about it,

764
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: but I think I'm glad it happened because I am

765
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: to give it an opportunity.

766
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: But it was also back in the day. It's just

767
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: funny going back on these shows where it's like having

768
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: to like reapproach these huge mistakes. Right then we're very

769
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: public mistakes where it's like, oh, it's horrible and this

770
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: is all bad. And also then you get that sense

771
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: of the haters standing right outside the door ready to hate.

772
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Exactly like you got to watch your back because you're

773
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: watching it too.

774
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: So that's everything that's about to happen. Is this is

775
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: about to happen in this story.

776
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into Karen's story about Ronnie Chasin.

777
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Do you want to go first? You go first?

778
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Stephen birthday?

779
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: Karen goes first?

780
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: Is it me? All right? Steve? It's your birthday. You

781
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: got to pick whoever you want to go seven, it's

782
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: your birthday. Okay, Well tonight today, this afternoon, I'm going

783
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: to do the murder of Hollywood super publicist Ronnie Chason.

784
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: Do you know this one?

785
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Is it a she?

786
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: Yes?

787
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I think I don't know anything about it. Okay, take

788
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: me there.

789
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm taking you back to twenty ten. Where were you

790
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: in twenty ten? Where did you live?

791
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I was thirty?

792
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: What? Yeah, yeah, dude, I'm liking this.

793
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: I was thirty, I was living in a studio apartment

794
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: in Hollywood.

795
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: Hhmm, it's really cute.

796
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: It was like eight hundred dollars a month, which is

797
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.

798
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: I thought you said I was really cute. I was

799
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: really cute.

800
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Go ahead. I had a shitty desk

801
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: job that I fucking hated, and I had no idea

802
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: that my life would be what it is today, And

803
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I didn't, because then it wouldn't have happened.

804
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 2: Did you wish and wish and hope that you would

805
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: not work at a desk anymore? Oh? My god, because

806
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: I have to tell you when I had two different

807
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: jobs in my early twenties that both brought me such intense,

808
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: soul sucking sorrow.

809
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: That was my life until I was thirty. Yeah, that,

810
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: and I thought it would be that forever.

811
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: But I feel like, when you're going through that, you

812
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: think this, because I feel is bad about it, that

813
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: means it's going to happen forever. But actually, yeah, if

814
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: you feel that bad about it, it means it won't

815
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: continue on.

816
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Well, in my opinion, I fucking hustled my ass off

817
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: and to grasp anything that wouldn't get me there, wun't

818
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: keep me there, and that turned into a blog. A

819
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: blog yeap. I like used to think, like maybe if

820
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I just get married and have a baby, I can

821
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: have some time off. Like that's how bad it was.

822
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, get me out of here.

823
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: I'll have a baby. Yeah.

824
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean they do solve that problem. They but babies

825
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: will get you out of the office, that's for sure. Yeah,

826
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: and sometimes keep you from ever returning.

827
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: Let me make this about me or I didn't you asked?

828
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: I did ask you. I want to know because it

829
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: was it's weird to think. So it was seven years ago,

830
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: so Stephen, you were twenty three? What were you doing?

831
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: What were you doing?

832
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Stephen?

833
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: I was just about to go to grad school in London.

834
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: It's better than one.

835
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: I dropped out immediately, so that was.

836
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: Great, Okay, London.

837
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: Karen doesn't know where Cherry Hill.

838
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: There's no language. I get offended by anyone that leaves

839
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: the country or gets an education. It really piles me off.

840
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: Me too, me myself. If it was seven years ago,

841
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: were you where was Karen? I was, God? I was

842
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: You're married? No, I you know where I was. I

843
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: was in New York. I had just left my ex.

844
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't do this, and I bailed

845
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: and went to New York. And I was in New York.

846
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: This this is when I got into podcasts. Because I

847
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: was in New York. I knew about three people in

848
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: the entire city. I had a job, luckily, and I

849
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: would just come home. I would work all week and

850
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: then I would come home and on the weekends, I

851
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: would sit at this weird little chopping block table in

852
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: the kitchen. I would smoke out the window. Don't smoke,

853
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: it's bad for you. And I would listen to Dave

854
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: Anthony and Greg Baron's podcast Walking the Room, Oh My God,

855
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: and they would fight and blather and like it was

856
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: the funniest thing. It was just like and it was

857
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: just like being in the room with them. So it

858
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: was a weird way. That's why when people freak out

859
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: and go like I can't believe I'm meeaning you. You

860
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: don't understand, and I always grab them and I'm like,

861
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: I do understand. It's like everybody goes through awful things

862
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: and needs that kind of like companionship, and that's it

863
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: got me through kind of One of the hardest times

864
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: of my adult life was pretending that I was having

865
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: conversation with Dave Anthony and Greg Barret.

866
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: My whole studio apartment was painted while I listened to

867
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: podcasts on a like huge iPod.

868
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like someone had given me one of those big,

869
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: thick blocky ones. Yes, all right, guys, we got it,

870
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: We understand. So who got killed? Okay, Now I take

871
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: you back to November sixteenth of that year in Hollywood.

872
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: So one of Hollywood's most powerful and beloved publicists, Ronnie Chasin,

873
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: has just left the premiere party for the movie Burlesque

874
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: the Christina aguilera share joint Burless at the w Hotel.

875
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Ronnie's the publicist for there last night.

876
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: We were there yesterday.

877
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Oh, this one's really forcing over and over.

878
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: So she was the publicist for the movie's producer, Donald DeLine.

879
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: She was also the publicist for the lighting designer Peggy

880
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: Eisenhower and for the composer Diane Warren, who'd written a

881
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: song for this movie. She worked the room, and she

882
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: was now driving home down Sunset Boulevard. It was twelve

883
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: twenty eight am when Ronnie's Mercedes came to a stop

884
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: at the left turn lane and the intersection of Wittier

885
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: and Sunset. So if you've never been to La before,

886
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: most people know about the Sunset Strip, which is like

887
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: the most famous part of Sunset Boulevard. It starts the

888
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Sunset Strip starts at Crescent Heights and it goes all

889
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: the way down a little bit past Doheeny, and basically

890
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: along that strip you've got the Chateau Marmont Hotel, You've

891
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: got the Comedy Store, you've got the Viper Room, you've

892
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: got the Whiskey and you've got the Roxy used to

893
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: be Tower Records. Just there, book Soup is there. There's

894
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: a little a very tony she she chunk called the

895
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: Sunset Plaza that has restaurants and like the Armani Store,

896
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: fancy shopping, fancy eating, and it's basically the it takes

897
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: you right into Beverly Hills. So once you get past

898
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: that part, the Sunset Plaza portion basically takes a turn

899
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: and then suddenly there's trees and there's big tall green

900
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: hedges that are blocking off humongous mansions that they don't

901
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: want you to look at, and it becomes like this

902
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: gorgeous Green Drive, and a little further down on that

903
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: drive you've got the Beverly Hills Hotel that costs eight

904
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a night to stay there. Serious, did you

905
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: know that? How much does it cost? One thousand dollars

906
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: a night?

907
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: Did you say one thousand dollars a night at.

908
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: The Beverly Hills Hotel?

909
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

910
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: Fucking kidding. Yeah, I was clicking to see how far

911
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: down Sunset it was, and when you click on it,

912
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: that hilarious Google thing happens where it's as if you're

913
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: trying to book yourself there and it's like over it,

914
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: it's like, I think it's ten ninety eight a night. Yeah,

915
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: because it's like you know the Polo Club, it's like

916
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: the famous much money. Yeah, they only want rich people there,

917
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: Fuck you, but foor people that's saved up whenever, no

918
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: go say somewhere else. But anyway, what I'm saying is

919
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: this is the end of sense of bolevarcu is, if

920
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: you keep on driving, you end up at the beach. Basically,

921
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: you drive past bel Air, which is the richest regist

922
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: u sayle and then ultimately the beach. And that's a

923
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: sharp contrast to where Sunset Boulevard's boulevard starts, which is

924
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: on basically Olivera Street downtown thirteen miles away. It has

925
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: i would say near the majority of Los Angeles has

926
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: forty seven thousand homeless people. So the two ends of

927
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: this street couldn't be more different. And when you get

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: into Beverly Hills, the weirdest thing about this. Anybody that

929
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: lives in Los Angeles knows, like, you don't go into

930
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills if you don't have a reason to go there,

931
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: especially at night. It's empty basically, so it's like she's

932
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: driving on sunset at twelve thirty eight at night. There's

933
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: no cars on the road. There's certainly no pedestrian ever.

934
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: It's a big, wide street and it's empty.

935
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: It's pristine, perfect, not a drop of litter anywhere, and

936
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: it's completely empty. So most people, because because La and

937
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: Hollywood is an industry town, most people are in bed

938
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: at that time. All those rich people that live behind

939
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: those hedges work their asses off and get up at

940
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: five in the morning. So it's always, you know, like

941
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: lights out at ten o'clock over on that side of town,

942
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: unless your job is Premier Parties, which was Ronnie chasin's

943
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: job that keeps you out a little bit later. So

944
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: by twenty ten, Ronnie Jason's clients had netted around one

945
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty Oscar nominations, Oh my god, seven of

946
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: them had won Best Picture, including a three peat between

947
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight and twenty ten. So she represented

948
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: people that either worked on or made No Country for

949
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: Old Men, slum Dog Millionaire, and the hurt Locker.

950
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: Wow. But tell us what a publicist does exactly just

951
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: the people listening, but myself as well.

952
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a publicist is the person that make

953
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: sure that the press and the media know about their clients'

954
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: successes or career at the time. So like for her,

955
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: like for publicists, or like around Oscar time or award

956
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: season is like the busiest time because that's when they

957
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: want everybody to be on talk shows. They want everybody

958
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: to be interviewed for newspapers and magazines and stuff, and they.

959
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Reach out to you.

960
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Publicists reach out to them exactly, so they're basically they

961
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: would call and say, you know, my client, Steven has

962
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: this amazing podcast called the per Cast that everyone's talking

963
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: about these days, and you've got to get him before

964
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: he goes big, so let's get some placement here, here,

965
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: and here. And they basically are like a like an

966
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: amazing stage mom where they talk about you like you

967
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: are going to be the next thing. And because everything

968
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: in la is about you don't want the current hot thing,

969
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: you want the next big thing. So that's the publicist

970
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: deal in the world of that. Then they also just

971
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: deal in the day to day of actually booking people

972
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: on talk shows. And like all the stories of from

973
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: my experience of working on talk shows is when something

974
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: bad happens, like say someone cancels or flakes, say your

975
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: show has to go down because like the electricity went

976
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: off or something, the people you don't want to have

977
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: to deal with are the publicists because they're the people

978
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: that come in and act on behalf of celebrities, and

979
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: they're the bad guy. So a celebrity will never be

980
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: the one that's like, I don't want to do your show.

981
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: A publicist will be the one that's like, they can't

982
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: do it for this reason, this reason, but we can

983
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: do it here. And because I know you're disappointed, I

984
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: can also get you this person. So they're just a

985
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: master politician. They are a they're a cheerleader and they

986
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: hustle twenty four to seven. It's an insanely hard job.

987
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: I would never want to do it, and it's a

988
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: certain type of person that can do it. Yeah, because

989
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: you really do have to no way. I mean you

990
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: you're on the phone all the time and you have

991
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: to like you have to like play the game the hardest,

992
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: I think, because you are really like a salesperson but

993
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: for people, and so it's sometimes it's that I mean

994
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: you've seen you can watch it in movies. There's all

995
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: kinds of movies about insider Hollywood stuff. But like there

996
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: are those times where publicists can make a star because

997
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: it's like you just by a series of happenstance. It's

998
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: like something will happen on a production and say somebody drops,

999
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: somebody breaks their leg and they drop out and then

1000
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: they have to get replaced. Well, those that person like

1001
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: a team comes together and then starts pitching and fixing

1002
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: and what I mean, I'm this is a completely made

1003
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: up scenario. I don't know what the actual technical thing is.

1004
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: But a publicist is the kind of person that can

1005
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: come in and sell you on some on an unknown

1006
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: and actually make some one's career. Yeah, and then they

1007
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: do that more often than like a direct you know,

1008
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: it's always like a director discovered me or whatever, and

1009
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: it's usually like a publicist or a casting director. Also,

1010
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: they're women who like believe in people and watch people

1011
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: and like vouch for people.

1012
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: And if someone owes them a favor, they could be like, well,

1013
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: put this person in your movies, my client exactly.

1014
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it's all about favors and what if something happens,

1015
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: then you owe them a favor or they owe you

1016
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: a favor, so then you get.

1017
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Or they're reliable. They always bring me the right people,

1018
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: and yes, it is the person I call first.

1019
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: And in TV that's what it all is like when

1020
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: you start to learn and I barely know that side

1021
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: because that's the booking side, which I never had to

1022
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 2: deal with and I wouldn't have been able to because

1023
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: I can't organize anything, and they're the most organized people

1024
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: in the world. But that's all they do all day

1025
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: is have those conversations where it's like, well, since you

1026
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: owe us the one from that, now we want this

1027
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: person on the day that their show comes out. It's

1028
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: all like it's crazy politics, it's amazing. So she was

1029
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: friends with a woman named Lily Zanik, and she has

1030
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: a second name in there, and I didn't write it down,

1031
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: and then I couldn't find it. It's something xanic, and

1032
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means that she was married

1033
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: to its hyphenated. It was hyphenated, so maybe it's just

1034
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: important to her that her original name was in there,

1035
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: but I didn't write it down anyhow. This woman was

1036
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: friends with Ronnie Chasin and she was also a producer

1037
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: who won Best Picture with her husband, Richard Zanik. They

1038
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: made Driving Miss Daisy Wow, and Lily Zank was quoted

1039
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: as saying the Driving Miss Daisy campaign was all Ronnie,

1040
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: and that's why I thanked her twice at the Oscars. Wow.

1041
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1042
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: So it's just that kind of like the people in

1043
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: the business know who makes the engine go basically, and

1044
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's publicist. So Ronnie Chasin was

1045
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: born Veronica Cohen in Kingston, New York in nineteen forty six.

1046
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: She grew up in the Bronx. She moved to la

1047
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 2: to be an actor, and she changed her last name

1048
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: so that she had the same name as the famous

1049
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: restaurant Chasin's. Oh Wow, Yeah, Smart Yes, it's super smart

1050
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: because it's like Chasin's is like an insider celebrity restaurant. Yeah,

1051
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: you just are like, oh, yeah, you better get a

1052
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: chasin in here. She was on Guiding Light, she was

1053
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: on the Patti Duke Show. She's gorgeous, like just she

1054
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 2: looked like every other blonde actress in the sixties or seventies.

1055
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: I should I'm not actually sure. I'm sure she would

1056
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: hate me saying exactly when she was at that at

1057
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: that age. But basically, eventually she transitions into pr and

1058
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: she builds this huge career and she's just a hustler

1059
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: and she's everyone said she was just She was known

1060
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: for being brassy and unapologetically pushy. She just didn't give

1061
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: a shit, and she was also really honest, so she

1062
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: would tell people to their face like uh, she said. Oh.

1063
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: She had a friend named Kathy Berlin who is New

1064
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: York publicist, and Kathy Berlin said, I used to say

1065
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: that Ronnie got half her piece's placed because she would

1066
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: people would just say enough already, like they would just

1067
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: she would just wear them down. So she's also known

1068
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: as being real. People adored her. Obviously, people like to

1069
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: talk about people being big assholes in this business. But

1070
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: in my opinion, especially for women, you can't be that

1071
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: big of an asshole. And yet by you have you know,

1072
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: people have to love you, and you have to have loyalty.

1073
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: There's to be some charm thrown in there.

1074
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: There's got to be. Yeah, you've got to build loyalty

1075
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: to be as successful as this woman was. And there's

1076
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: a story that someone told because someone who really loved her,

1077
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: who said she got a lot of flack because she

1078
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: used to always take a doggie bag home, no matter

1079
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: what fancy dinner she was at, no matter what fancy restaurant,

1080
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: everybody being trying to be Hollywood, She'd always take her

1081
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: food home in a doggie bag, and so people would

1082
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: like whisper, oh she cheap, or oh she whatever. And

1083
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: what she actually did was she would take her food,

1084
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: her leftovers to her mom's house so her mom could

1085
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: eat the fancy food that she was eating and like,

1086
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: and she would share the like Hollywood night with her

1087
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: mom is not lovely.

1088
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard for me to learn that

1089
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: you can't take half your food home at meetings.

1090
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: I mean you can, no, you can't, Like.

1091
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm so bad at wasting food that like I no,

1092
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm done. I could eat that at home the in

1093
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: my underpants.

1094
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have to say this, my dad told

1095
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: me this a long time ago. My dad told me

1096
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: this when I was like seven, where I was like, really,

1097
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: thanks for this amazing advice. But he was like, don't

1098
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: salt your food before you taste it, right, And it

1099
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: was that whole story of there was like somebody lost

1100
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: a job because it's it shows that like you need

1101
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: to be able to try things and decide how they

1102
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: are as they are. Don't just decide you need to

1103
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: salt it. You're assuming thing. That's right. Hey, seven year old,

1104
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: thanks dad, that's really helpful. You'll always get by kid.

1105
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: So that's I was just going to say, that's That's

1106
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: a similar thing where there could be somebody that you

1107
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: eat with that watches you take your food home because

1108
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: you want to keep it, and goes she's a smart,

1109
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: frugal customer that doesn't give a shit who's watching her.

1110
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: Those are always the stories in Holly Hollywood anyways, people

1111
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: going not going along with the flow and being like

1112
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: I want my fucking doggy bag full of girlled cheese

1113
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. Anyhow, let's get back to Biz. So we're

1114
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: now it's a long, hard night of work for Ronnie chasing.

1115
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: She pulls up at this intersection in Beverly Hills between

1116
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: Sunset and Whittier. No other cars, as we've said, no

1117
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: pedestrians in that situation. It's not unheard of for a

1118
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: Hollywood big wig to just go ahead and take a

1119
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: left on a red. It's there, it's their neighborhood. They

1120
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: do what they want anyway, and take they take forever

1121
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: and no one's going to see it. No one's going

1122
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: to see it. But Ronnie didn't do that. She waited

1123
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: for the green, and that's when she was ambushed by

1124
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 2: a lone gunman. He approached the passenger side of her

1125
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: car and he shot her four times through the window.

1126
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

1127
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: She was hit twice in the chest, once in her

1128
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: upper right arm, and once through her right shoulder. That

1129
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: bullet went into her heart and it was that shot

1130
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: that was believed to have killed her. Her car then

1131
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 2: took the left and drove down Whittier South and glided

1132
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: a quarter of a mile down that windy street until

1133
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: it hit a light pole and crashed and set off

1134
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: the passenger air bags and was basically a car accident.

1135
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: A couple of minutes later a car a couple passing

1136
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 2: in a car spotted the accident and it pulled over,

1137
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: saw what happened, called nine one one, but people had

1138
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: already called because they heard gunshots in Beverly Hills, so

1139
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: everybody was calling the Beverly Hills police. Ronnie Chasm was

1140
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: rushed to Cedar's sign A hospital and she was pronounced

1141
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: dead at one twelve am. So most people assumed when

1142
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: they heard about this it was either a carjacking or

1143
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: someone had taken out a hit on her, because it's

1144
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: such a weird the idea in just to give you

1145
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: a sense, I got most of this information from an

1146
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: article that Guy gary Baum, not Guy Brandham. Gary Baum

1147
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: wrote for the Hollywood Reporter. And when he wrote this article,

1148
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: it was twenty sixteen. And in the article he said,

1149
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: there have been no homicides in Beverly Hills since twenty eleven.

1150
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: What so in that five years, zero homagies in Beverly

1151
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: Hill sane?

1152
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think someone ran to kill his wife.

1153
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean there had been the five years previous, there

1154
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: had been five homicides, two of them had been that

1155
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 2: exact thing. Domestic abuse mess to homicides, and those were solved,

1156
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 2: and then there were two other ones that were solved,

1157
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: and one was the shooting death of Mark Ruffalo's brother,

1158
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: which I'd never heard of. Mark Ruffalo was a Mark

1159
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: Ruffalo's had a brother, I believe his name was Scott,

1160
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: and he was a hairdresser and he lived in Beverly

1161
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: Hills and he was shot to death in his house.

1162
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: What the fuckuck? And they never solved it.

1163
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: Who shot it?

1164
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: They don't know, I know, right. So anyway, that's like

1165
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: it for Beverly Hills. Now we talk about fucking you know,

1166
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: Filipino Town, the thing we were just talking about earlierhere,

1167
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: it's like, how many homicides are there in a month,

1168
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: much less in years and years and ten years, they'd

1169
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: had five, yeah, and then there was this. So it's

1170
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: insane anyway, which is the reason the movie Beverly Hills

1171
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Cop worked so well, because truly, nothing bad happens there.

1172
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: It's the home of all the rich people.

1173
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: Everyone watch it.

1174
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: It's such a good movie. It holds up, it holds

1175
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: up so well. Okay, sorry, so I lost my place.

1176
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: So also just know this. Ronnie Chasin's estate was worth

1177
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: six point one million dollars at the time of her day.

1178
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

1179
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was doing very well for herself. She

1180
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: was also single, no kids. She's you know, like a

1181
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: working lady. So three weeks after the night of the shooting,

1182
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Police Department holds a press conference and

1183
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: states that the case has been closed. The suspect was

1184
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: an ex con named Harold Smith, who had served time

1185
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: twice for robbery, once in nineteen ninety eight for a

1186
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: purse snatching where when the woman resisted, he broke her jaw.

1187
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: And that happened on Doheny Boulevard, which was about a

1188
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: quarter of a mile east of where Ronnie Chasin had

1189
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: been shot sit And so this is how they found

1190
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: owned Harold Smith, a neighbor of his. So he lived

1191
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: in this place called the Harvey Apartments, which is on

1192
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: Santa Monica Boulevard. Just it's actually just north of Santa

1193
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: Monica Boulevard, kind of behind Paramount over there. It's basically

1194
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: Santa Monica and Western, which is a great not a

1195
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: great neighborhood. So, and this apartment building was not good

1196
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: at all. It was mostly it was a lot of

1197
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: drug addicts and just people who were just getting by.

1198
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was bad news. So a

1199
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: neighbor of Harold Smith's calls in a tip to America's

1200
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: Most Wanted, saying that he had shown up. Harold Smith

1201
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: had shown up at this neighbor's apartment ninety minutes after

1202
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: the killing in Beverly Hills, asking if anything had been

1203
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: reported on TV, and then saying that he needed to

1204
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: go back to Beverly Hills because he had left his

1205
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: bike there. Oh no, And then the neighbor said he

1206
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 2: saw the report of Ronnie Chasin's murder on the news

1207
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: and he knew he put it all together right. So

1208
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: at five point thirty pm on December first, after Beverly

1209
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: Hills police get this tip, they go out to question

1210
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Harold Smith. They find him in the lobby of the

1211
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: Harvey apartments, and when they identify themselves to him as police,

1212
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: Harold pulls a thirty eight out of his pocket and

1213
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 2: shoots himself in the head.

1214
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck.

1215
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: How did I not fucking know this part? I know,

1216
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 2: it's crazy, I've never heard this part. I knew about

1217
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: this shooting at me too, but I've never heard this part.

1218
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1219
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So this neighbor that had called in the tip,

1220
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: he uh he had been keeping some boxes for Harold

1221
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: Smith because Harold had been evicted from the Harvey apartment

1222
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: six days before, and that's why Harold came back to

1223
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: that guy's house that night.

1224
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: Some of his.

1225
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: Stuff was there. So the police find this out or

1226
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: know this, and go up to the neighbor's house and

1227
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: start looking through Harold Smith's stuff that's in the neighbor's apartment,

1228
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: and there they find four spent shellcasings among Smith's belongings,

1229
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: and they test those against the ballistics and then Ronnie

1230
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: Chase murder. They're a match. The police announced they have

1231
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: their guy and the case is closed. They took such

1232
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: a confident position at this press conference that even though

1233
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: they had not looked into her bank statements, they had

1234
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: not looked onto a hard drive of her computer, they

1235
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: had not checked herself on records. They eventually got to

1236
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: that the following March, but at the time they made

1237
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: that announcement, they had not looked into almost anything in

1238
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: her life and the fact that she A lot of

1239
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: people make note of the fact that she had an

1240
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: estate with no heirs worth six point one million dollars

1241
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: and a family. You know, she sorry, so I'll just

1242
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: finish this. The the following July, Beverly Hills Police issued

1243
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: a news release stating that it completed the exhaustive investigation

1244
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: and without a doubt, it's the conclusion of robbery homicide

1245
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: detectives that the sole perpetrator of this heinous crime was

1246
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: Harold Martin Smith. So last year, the Beverly Hills Police

1247
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: finally released the files on this case, and they were

1248
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: partially redacted, so you couldn't read everything in them. But

1249
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: this reporter that wrote for a Hollywood Reporter read the

1250
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: ballistics report and it actually the ballistics report actually says

1251
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: that although the two guns in this case have similar characteristics,

1252
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: they're not they're too insignificant for identification. So actually, the

1253
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: ballistics course report does not confirm that he was their

1254
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: guy at all. The files also revealed that the police

1255
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: did not dust for fingerprints on the right side of

1256
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: the car, which was where the shots were fired from.

1257
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: No fingerprints dusted over there. They also never released the

1258
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: security camera footage from the neighborhood.

1259
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the night everyone has security cameras.

1260
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: It's fucking Beverly Hills and a man named T. T.

1261
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: Williams Junior, who was a retired LAPD homicide detective who

1262
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: he gets called to testify about police procedure a lot.

1263
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: He was stated as saying this about the lack of

1264
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: video footage memorializing Smith near the crime. He said, quote,

1265
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: there has to be some security cameras in that neighborhood

1266
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: that would have caught him. I mean, Beverly Hills, Give

1267
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: me a break. You've got a black man supposedly on

1268
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: a bike in the middle of the night. He'd be

1269
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: stopped fifteen. He would have stood out like a sore thumb. Seriously,

1270
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: and not surprisingly, they never released the footage from the

1271
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: lobby of the Harvey apartments the night of Harold Smith's suicide,

1272
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: And they had security cameras in that lobby, So that

1273
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: whole moment where the cops identify themselves, that's all on camera.

1274
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: No one's ever seen that footage. Also, of note, the

1275
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: gun that Harold Smith pulled out of his pocket and

1276
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: shot himself to death with was later determined to have

1277
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: been reported stolen three years earlier by a retired LAPD

1278
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: officer from his home in Santa Clarita. Oh, just a little,

1279
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: a bit of a question mark. There guns get stole

1280
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: all the time, then they go on the black market.

1281
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: Anyone can have them. Yes, okay, But the fact that

1282
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't a cops gun, a retired policeman's gun, isn't

1283
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: I think, isn't good totally, isn't.

1284
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: It's the oh I said, oh exactly that of oh,

1285
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: I can connect those which I'm not going to say.

1286
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: But well, I mean that's all it just so I'll

1287
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: end with this, which I think is very interesting. It's

1288
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: a quote from a man named stan Kephart who's a

1289
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: former police chief in Arizona, and he also serves as

1290
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: an expert witness in cases involving law enforcement operational standards.

1291
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: And he said this, it's not what you think about

1292
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: a suspect, it's what you can prove. And it appears

1293
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: that there is room for doubt that Harold Smith is

1294
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: the perpetrator in this case.

1295
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

1296
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Speaker 2: They didn't really prove factually that he was the supertrator.

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Speaker 2: They just basically said he was unclosed the case and

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Speaker 2: he's dead, he can't defend himself.

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Speaker 1: Wow. It's so interesting when you hear like, well he

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: had this and he did this that night and this

1301
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: thing happened, and he's been this in the past, and

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, okay, he's obviously he obviously did it

1303
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: the end, But you don't think about the like the

1304
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: deep the deep evidence, or the basic things like finger

1305
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: printing that side of the car, or the obvious things

1306
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: like security cameras. You just hear these blanket statements and

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: you're like, duh.

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Speaker 2: But well, you go, that's easy, Like that's an easy

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Speaker 2: You tell me that a black x Con is shot somebody.

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Speaker 2: Oh this, here's the other thing. Her purse was still

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Speaker 2: in the car. It's a product bag. It was on

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: the passenger seat. So he so they're saying that he

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Speaker 2: shot into this car four times and didn't take anything.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing taken from the car, so he just

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01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: it's not a smash and grab. It's not his style.

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01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: It's not his mo which we do know can escalate,

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01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: but in this case, he didn't even steal anything. So

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: now he's gone straight to murder. So basically he's not

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01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: even a it's not robbery anymore.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense for someone to do that

1321
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: there either, because you can't blend blend in with the

1322
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: rest of the city. You can't go hide in someone's backyard. No,

1323
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: you're just you're like, uh waiting, what do they call it?

1324
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: Duck as sitting duck.

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: Well. Also, so that actually takes a part a bunch

1326
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Speaker 2: of things, because they figured out that that neighbor who

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01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: said that he put it all together because he knew

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01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: that it was Ronnie Chasin's murder. Her name wasn't released

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01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: until the next morning, so there was no way he

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: could have known that during that conversation. Also, if it

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01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: was ninety minutes after the shooting took place, how did

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Speaker 2: he get back to those apartments that fast? That's true,

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: especially if he left his bike, right, So what did

1334
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: he leave his bike and jump on a night bus

1335
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: from Beverly Hills into Hollywood?

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Speaker 1: And in that case, then they should have had the

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Speaker 1: bus driver testify.

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Speaker 2: Right or like that or that would have been in

1339
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: the report. If someone had seen him coming, that would

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: have all been added to the argument that it was him.

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01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: You're right.

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: Also, there were and I mean this is like, this

1343
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: isn't even speculation, it's just like kind of random facts,

1344
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: but there were family members in her family that in

1345
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Speaker 2: her she had rewritten a new will in two thousand

1346
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Speaker 2: and six, but they couldn't find that will, so they

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01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: went off of her nineteen ninety four will, and in

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Speaker 2: that will she gave the majority of her estate to

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Speaker 2: one of her nieces. Oh no, and she had another

1350
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: niece that in the will it said, I knowingly and

1351
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: what being aware of the implications of this might cause

1352
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: leave you ten dollars ninety four.

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe she was a drug addict then and

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: sucked and then ninety six. They're like, all right, I

1355
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: just don't understand. How don't you have to file a

1356
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 1: will like a lawyer?

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Speaker 2: No. In fact, I watched this thing Joey bay It

1358
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 2: was whatever, maybe headline news whatever. Joe Joey Bayheart was

1359
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: the host of it. It was just a YouTube video.

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: But this woman on it said, you actually can write

1361
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Speaker 2: on a napkin, this is my last will and testament.

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be filed anywhere. If you sign

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: it and you are of sound mind, it's legal.

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Speaker 1: That seems so absurd because it's like it's just then

1365
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: someone can pick it up out of you're fucking sock drawer,

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: light it on fire, and there's no will, and I'm

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01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: the next to ken you know what I mean? You

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: would think you wanted to get you'd want to get

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,839
Speaker 1: it notarized and give it to someone.

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Speaker 2: Well you should keep it in a safe place.

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01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, but.

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Speaker 2: You but it's just the legality of it. It doesn't

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 2: need a lawyer's anything. This is what this woman on

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: this thing said. Yeah, that it doesn't need any it

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01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: doesn't need a notary or anything.

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm such such a It's like it's that thing

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: of like, well, if you can get away with it,

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: then congratulations, there's no no one will look into it

1379
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: with what what are you talking about with burning someone's

1380
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: will or like, oh, getting rid of the two thousand

1381
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,440
Speaker 1: and six will.

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 2: Right then, yes, that's exactly ratulations. Well yeah, but that

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: I mean that's why you keep things in you know,

1384
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: something like a will, you would keep in a what

1385
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: do you call that a safe safety deposit box?

1386
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if she goes.

1387
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 2: Into Yeah, yeah, totally when you don't give out those keys. Yeah,

1388
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: I've never had a safety deposit box, but I will

1389
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: only have one key when I do.

1390
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: I have a po box. And it's very exciting. It's

1391
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: like you feel like a grown up.

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01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: Uh. Anyway, I think that's a fascinating one because I saw, Oh,

1393
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: there's a show called Demons in the City of Angels Come,

1394
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: which is which it's hilarious that it's like specific only

1395
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles. But this that's what caught my attention

1396
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: because it started and I watched it, going, oh, I

1397
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 2: do want to know how this turned out, because I

1398
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: remember hearing about it and then hearing nothing, and basically

1399
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: it's just them going we kind of don't buy it.

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: And isn't it interesting that you and I who remember

1401
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: this happening and it kind of being you know, if

1402
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: you know it's in your industry the mind, like we

1403
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: had never heard about it again, Like it's almost like, yeah,

1404
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: we got like they got the guy really low key,

1405
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: not maybe not letting a lot of reporters into the

1406
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 1: press conference. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know what

1407
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: I mean, It's interesting that we never heard anything more

1408
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: about it.

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01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: She had a bunch of friends in this article.

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: It was.

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 2: It made me sad because I feel it's like, you

1412
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: know this type of woman, you know, you know this

1413
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: late Oh yeah, it's like she's smart and sharp and

1414
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: like pushy enough to make to be the top of

1415
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: in the top of the business and such a hard business.

1416
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 2: They all her friends say if it was her friend

1417
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: that died in a suspicious way, she wouldn't rest until

1418
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: she found out what really happened, and she wouldn't take

1419
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: no for an answer, and she wouldn't. So that's it's

1420
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: really sad because I think it's that thing of like

1421
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people going I wish I could

1422
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: do something, I wish I knew something.

1423
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're right, and am I supposed to do something?

1424
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: Even if I think the cops are right, Like what

1425
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: do I do?

1426
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: You know? It's just so it's just too convenient, like

1427
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: to find who the fuck keeps four spent shellcasings in

1428
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: their like bye, in their boxes in their shitty apart.

1429
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: You didn't check them into the La River as you

1430
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,959
Speaker 1: were walking home in ninety minutes.

1431
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 2: But you leave your bike at the scene of the sure,

1432
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: like sure none of it. Also, how do you get

1433
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: how do you get back across town at night? You

1434
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: can't get anywhere in ninety minutes in Los.

1435
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: Angeles, No, not even in a fucking car, I mean

1436
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: the traffic anyway. That's great. That was really interesting. I

1437
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: never followed up on that.

1438
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll hear more about it soon. They're trying to

1439
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: make They were trying to make a documentary about it,

1440
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,480
Speaker 2: but yeah, they were having a lot of problems.

1441
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because we're having a theme today. Oh really,

1442
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.

1443
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:08,480
Speaker 2: What did the LAPD do? Question mark? Really? Racial issues?

1444
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: What happened? Tampering, et cetera. Wow, But first FTP, Sorry, this.

1445
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: Is where the commercial will go.

1446
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: Okay, we are back Karen. Any updates?

1447
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the update and I in the next

1448
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 2: episode you'll hear. The next rewind episode, we'll talk about

1449
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: the Gary Baum misattribution. And I explained it there, but

1450
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: it was essentially me cutting and pasting Wikipedia, you know,

1451
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 2: writing down, googling this, watching that TV show that then

1452
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: the one direct quote from Gary Baum was the only attribution,

1453
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: when in fact, the entire layout of the story was

1454
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 2: because of his investigative journalism. Right, And so it's great

1455
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: because this basically opened my eyes to like the only

1456
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: reason we were able to tell stories. And I think

1457
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: I said this on the next episode, so we'll go

1458
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: over all of it. But it's like, we can only

1459
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 2: do this because of true crime journalists and investigative journalists.

1460
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: That's like what we're doing is we're gabbing about the

1461
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 1: things we watch that other people created about the true

1462
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: crime story exactly. So now when you listen, and I

1463
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: think from this moment on, we enter the story and

1464
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: then we say.

1465
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: Like some of the sources, some of the verses.

1466
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: We name our sources every time, and we did that

1467
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: here and there like throughout our stories before, but we

1468
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: never specifically did that and put in the show notes, right,

1469
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: So that's just so.

1470
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: Important, and there was no one else to copy that

1471
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: did it that way, So we were just kind of

1472
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: doing it the way it was done, which is not

1473
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: an excuse, and clearly the credit needs to go to

1474
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: Gary Baum, so I think it now has after these

1475
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: you know, eight years. But to talk about Ronnie Chason's murder,

1476
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: there are no true updates on the case, but Gary Baum,

1477
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: the journalist continues to call attention to it and the

1478
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 2: patterns and law enforcement that basically he talks about profiling

1479
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 2: and killing black suspects in cases like these. So, following

1480
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: the George Floyd protests in twenty twenty one, the Beverly

1481
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: Hills Police Department was sued for disproportionately arresting black pedestrians

1482
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 2: the previous year okay, So because of that, the police

1483
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: chief at the time, a woman named Sandras Bagnoley. She

1484
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 2: retired after facing a series of lawsuits about that, including

1485
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: allegations of racist remarks, and the city of Beverly Hills

1486
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: had to pay out millions. So once Bagnoli's replacement, a

1487
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: man named Mark Stainbrook, joined the squad or was promoted

1488
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: to that job, was installed. In December of twenty twenty one,

1489
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: journalist Gary Baum called for him to reopen the murder

1490
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: of Ronnie Chasin for the sake of justice, essentially, like

1491
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: you can't let this just go unsolved, which is incredible

1492
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: just years and years later, And he also called out

1493
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: the silence in Hollywood itself, in the entertainment industry. They

1494
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to cause a ruckus and get some

1495
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: answers in this murder, and nobody said a word, which

1496
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: is super weird and very true. But I do think

1497
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: that that was a time where, like we are now

1498
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: used to like voting with your wallet and saying something

1499
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: in social media and whatever, where it's like that was

1500
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: the kind of thing where, especially the entertainment industry, no

1501
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: one sticks their neck out for fucking anybody unless they're

1502
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: going to be guaranteed that they're going to make money

1503
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: or be protected or whatever it is. But if you're

1504
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: going to be the first one to stand up and

1505
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: be some sort of whistleblower, guaranteed you're by yourself. That's

1506
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: how this business kind of works. So it doesn't surprise

1507
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,879
Speaker 2: me that people didn't stand up and go, I demand

1508
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: this thing. Also, I think a lot of people were like,

1509
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: how did that happen? Who would have done it? Is

1510
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,480
Speaker 2: it somebody on the inside? Yeah?

1511
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think it is? Do you think

1512
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: it's just a.

1513
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 2: To me, it seems like such a specific hit, and

1514
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: that to me where it happened on sunset if I'm

1515
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: not mistaken, Beverly Hills Hotel, yep. Yeah, And it's just

1516
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: a weird It's like they would have had to have

1517
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 2: known that was a good spot. Yeah, because no one's there.

1518
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: No one's there.

1519
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: It's like unless it's five to seven, Yeah, it's nine

1520
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 2: to eleven or five to seven. That's a place that's

1521
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: mostly residential totally, so it would be a perfect place.

1522
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: It's super dark, it's a huge intersection, so like someone

1523
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: walking their dog across the street wouldn't actually see anything,

1524
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: because it's such a big street.

1525
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Beverly Hills, so it's real quiet, and

1526
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: it's everybody's there's high hedges. It's not like people are

1527
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: looking out their window at you. It just to me

1528
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: felt like very inside in that way where it's like

1529
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a carjacking on Hollywood Boulevard where it's like,

1530
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: holy shit, this crazy thing. It's like over as yeah, crazy.

1531
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 2: That's just a theory, okay, Okay, So let's get into

1532
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 2: Georgia story now about the murder of my Trees Richardson.

1533
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: So this is what I wanted to do for a while,

1534
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: but it's scary to tackle because it's kind of big,

1535
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: it's and it's every time I go back to look

1536
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: into it, it's just like it's a lot. Okay. This

1537
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: is the story of my Rise Richardson. To know this one,

1538
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: you probably won't, I tell you. So seven pm, around

1539
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 1: seven pm on the night of September seventeenth, two thousand

1540
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: and nine, twenty four year old my Rise Richardson pulls

1541
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: her Hontasivik into the parking lot of Jeffreys, which is

1542
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: a fancy pants restaurant on the Pacific Coast Highway. Do

1543
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. It's one of those

1544
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: like Jeffreys. It's like super fancy fans, like on the coast,

1545
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: like on the coast in Malibu.

1546
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1547
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like it's spelled Jeffrey, not Jeffrey, you

1548
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean. While she's there, from the valet

1549
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: to ordering her food, interacting with other patrons, her behavior

1550
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 1: is erratic and bizarre, but she wasn't threatening in anyway.

1551
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: When the bill came for eighty nine fifty one, matries

1552
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: couldn't pay, so when she was confronted by staff, she

1553
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: announced that she had come to avenge Michael Jackson's death.

1554
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know.

1555
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: Management decides to call the police and they say, we

1556
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: have a guest here who was refusing to pay her bill,

1557
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: and we think she may She sounds really crazy, she

1558
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: may be on drugs or something. But my Trees Richardson

1559
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: wasn't on drugs. She's a twenty four year old, smart

1560
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: and beautiful African American woman from South la She had

1561
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: graduated from California State University, Fullerton with a Bachelor of

1562
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: Arts in psychology the year before, and at the time

1563
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,839
Speaker 1: she worked as an administrative assistant at a freight company,

1564
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: but she wanted to work with children, and at the

1565
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: time she volunteered as a mentor for at risk children

1566
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: and worked with kids at a cheerleading camp. So it's

1567
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: not really known why she was in Malibu, though, which

1568
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: was forty miles from her home. They think maybe she

1569
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: was visiting the campus of Pepperdine, which is right by Jeffreys.

1570
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: You know to look at the campus. But just sorry.

1571
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: Side note, I told my mom when I was a

1572
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: junior in high school that I wanted to go to

1573
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Pepperdine because my friend Jen Mason's older sister Becky went there.

1574
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 2: And my mother laughed in my face and said, who's

1575
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: going to pay for that? Yeah, because Pepperdine is insanely

1576
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: expensive volleyball college on the beach. Basically, it's tony, it's

1577
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: for the rich. It's for rich people.

1578
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: As is Jeoffrey's. Which is how you build an eighty

1579
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: nine dollars dinner for one person.

1580
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: I could do that at applebe I mean.

1581
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.

1582
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: I had a sixty dollars lunch today with Vince, so

1583
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: let's be let's be realistic here. I swear to God

1584
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 2: sometimes when I start, when I get a pretzel as

1585
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 2: a as a appetizer, I could just eat nine pretzels,

1586
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: do it? Okay? Cheese sauce, well, I mean that's crucial. Yeah,

1587
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna eat them dry?

1588
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: What do I like?

1589
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: Big and soft? And then have like a thing of

1590
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: that cheese sauce?

1591
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: Am I a monster mustard? I hate when they try

1592
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: to get created mustard? Okay. I hate when they try

1593
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: to be like this stupid aoli or whatever. No, no, no,

1594
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: and then oh like a it's a mustard that's got

1595
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: spicy honey in it.

1596
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: No, no, just give me cheese sauce like they serve

1597
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: it apple.

1598
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh we want, we want, anyone wants cheese soup, but

1599
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: we can't, and we know it because a polite society

1600
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: says it's not okay unless you're in like Wisconsin.

1601
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: Right, So give me a bread to dip it in

1602
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: it and be okay final pretended to dip Fine.

1603
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: Fine. It's the same thing with onion soup, Like I

1604
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: just want to eat bread and cheese with a spoon.

1605
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 2: But fine, you can put a little broth underneath it

1606
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: whatever if you need me to be that fine, Okay, Sorry,

1607
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 2: that was a real left turn cheerleading camp.

1608
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: So they don't know why she was there, but it

1609
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: seems that she was suffering at the time of a

1610
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: previously undiagnosed manic episode, which is also evidenced by her

1611
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: her Facebook posts recently, which were incoherent and rambling. She

1612
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 1: said things like there are signs everywhere, small little with

1613
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: a smiley face, and then another said I just want

1614
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: to sleep, lole, But you know me and my crazy ideas,

1615
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: Let's see where they take me smiley face. Yeah.

1616
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: So it's like, did she not know she was manic?

1617
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: From what I can tell, No, and her mom, I

1618
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: think they were all very surprised by it, by the

1619
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: fact that this is They think that's what happened for sure,

1620
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: but nobody knew what was going to happen.

1621
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it was undiagnosed and unknown. I'm

1622
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: sorry to ask this, but when when was this? Two

1623
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 2: thousand and nine? Oh wow?

1624
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, no one listens in the of what year

1625
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: it is, you know what I mean, It's hard to focus.

1626
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like get to the story. Yeah, I settled down.

1627
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: I'm still thinking of stuff I say in my story,

1628
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: my thing.

1629
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine. Where were you two thousand? You

1630
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: were near twenty ten? Oh my god, this is like,

1631
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,879
Speaker 1: it's like we picked a theme for this episode.

1632
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 2: It's so true. We didn't that weird chunk of time.

1633
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: We're just like, it's like our periods are sync, but

1634
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: our murders are sanc instead.

1635
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: It's all coming together in the red tent.

1636
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: Stevens.

1637
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steven's writing this one down because he's.

1638
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: Flushing so far. He's sister period Sisters, Sisters signs. Three

1639
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: nights after that last post, she wrote, she's at Jeoffrey's

1640
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: going through this shit. Three LA PD deputies arrive. They

1641
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: call Matries's it's my Trees, I believe, not Matries My

1642
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: Teresa's great grandmother, who offers to pay the bill, but

1643
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: she would have had a fact and image of her

1644
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: credit card, which she wasn't able to do because who

1645
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: the fuck has a fucking fax.

1646
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Machine in two thousand and nine?

1647
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: Don't you hate that? Yeah, so they were like, nope, sorry, grandma, sorry,

1648
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: great grandma, you can't do this. They search her car

1649
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: and they find a very small amount of marijuana, as

1650
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: well as bottles of vodka and tequila and half a

1651
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: case of beer. But they gave her a field sopriety

1652
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: test and she passed. Okay, So I'm sorry that the

1653
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: officers could have placed Matrise in My Trees in an

1654
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: involuntary psychiatric hold based on her odd behavior, but they

1655
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: said that would required a lot of paperwork and a

1656
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: trip to the hospital, so instead they arrested her on

1657
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: charges of suspicion of not paying for the meal and

1658
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: possession of less than one ounce of marijuana, and they

1659
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: took her to Lost Hills Police Department. I know upon

1660
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: her arrest, her phone, perse and money are locked in

1661
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: her car and the car is towed to a towyard.

1662
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: What why you're gonna need that after?

1663
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: Well, Lost Hills Police Department again, fancy pants police department

1664
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: and a fancy pants part of Malibu, like really nice area.

1665
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: It's the same station where mel Gibson was taken after

1666
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,839
Speaker 1: being pulled over for drunk driving and yelling anti Semitic slurs.

1667
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: Same station, but they let.

1668
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: Him keep his purse.

1669
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: Well, well, they escorted him from Lost Hills to his

1670
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: toad car. That because they treat famous and rich people,

1671
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: which is what their neighborhood is.

1672
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 2: And white people.

1673
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: Remember in The Big Lebowski stay out of my beach community.

1674
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: He throws a mug big Lebowski's face. It's like that, Yeah, yeah,

1675
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: and stay out of my beach community.

1676
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: It's just like that.

1677
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, my Trees didn't receive the same treatment as a

1678
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: famous asshole.

1679
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: Uh.

1680
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: My Trees's mother called the Lost Hills station around ten pm.

1681
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: And all of these phone calls you can hear on YouTube,

1682
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and I fucking listen to them. Oh no, she's asking

1683
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: if they're going to book her and release her that night,

1684
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: and saying it's dark and she doesn't have a car

1685
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: and I don't want her wandering. And she's like, I'll

1686
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: come pick her up right now, but if you keep

1687
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: her over night, that's fine. I'll get her in the morning.

1688
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: I just want to know you're not going to release her.

1689
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: And this woman is you know, she's clearly upset, but

1690
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: she's just like, I don't know what's happening. I'll deal

1691
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: with it. She's a together woman. Yeah, she's the mother

1692
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: said she's not from that area, and I would hate

1693
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: to wake up to a morning report saying girl lost

1694
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: somewhere and her head chopped off. But the deputy assured

1695
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: my Teresa's mother not to worry. I can't breathe, hold on, Okay,

1696
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: But yet, at twelve thirty in the morning, my Terce,

1697
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 1: with only the clothes on her back and without a purse, money,

1698
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: or her phone, was released into the darkness and cold

1699
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: of the Santa Monica Mountains. Why which you and I like,

1700
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: let's let's set the stage again from Beverly Hills to

1701
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: Santa Monica Mountain in Malibu. It is fucking remote. It's

1702
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: huge houses on a lot of land that butt up

1703
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 1: against the Santa Monica Mountains, which are not pretty hiking trails,

1704
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,480
Speaker 1: their fucking wilderness.

1705
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it scrub brush, it's there's no there's nothing commercial

1706
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: around there.

1707
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Because well that's what they said too, is nothing was

1708
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: open at that point. All businesses are closed. They close

1709
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: it like six.

1710
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and there's it's like even the businesses that are

1711
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: there really few and far between. It's not like shopping

1712
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: up and get Yeah, you have to basically be down

1713
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 2: in the city of Malibu. Yeah, to be close to anything.

1714
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: And the Santa Monica Mountain is where all the mountain

1715
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: lions live and it's really rocky and hilly. I went

1716
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: to Jewish camp there and it was totally wilderness. I

1717
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: mean it was not cute.

1718
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,799
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not the city.

1719
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: No, it's really not. And this is a city girl

1720
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: who had never been out in the wilderness like this.

1721
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: So all businesses are closed. Public transportation doesn't really exist

1722
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: out there. You know, they have like bus to the

1723
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: shopping center and back, but not you know, real transportation.

1724
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: And she's eleven miles from her car at the Malibu towyard.

1725
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,759
Speaker 1: The walk would have taken her up and down hills

1726
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: through a tunnel along the shoulder of a highway, winding

1727
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: through the mountains, which I fucking have driven there, and

1728
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 1: you get carsick just from driving. It's a crazy mountain.

1729
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 2: Also, i'll tell you this from my research. Eleven miles

1730
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: just so you know, it's thirteen miles from Beverly Hills

1731
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: to downtown Los Angeles. So she would have had to

1732
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: walk slightly less than that long all the way down

1733
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: Sunset far. That's ridiculous.

1734
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: That's a day's walk. So when her mom calls it

1735
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 1: next morning, she finds out that my trees had been released.

1736
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: And I listened to the fucking mess the call, and

1737
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: it's they're blowing the officers, blowing her off, and she's like,

1738
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: how long do I have to wait to file a

1739
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: missing re person's report? And he's like, well, wait a

1740
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: couple hours and then call us back, like they're very

1741
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: being being very casual, and she's like, she doesn't know

1742
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: the area, she didn't have anything on her, what the

1743
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: hell's going on? And they were very flippant about it

1744
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: and were like, let me try to track things down,

1745
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: call me in a couple hours, which is like, can

1746
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: you imagine waiting for your child for a couple hours.

1747
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: And then and then she said, you know, she's another area,

1748
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: and she's in a depressive state, so she probably had

1749
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: some clue, you know, that something was triggering.

1750
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1751
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: So at five point thirty that morning, a homeowner in

1752
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Cold Canyon, which is right next to the actual Santa

1753
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: Monica Mountain Canyon, called Lost Hills to say that there

1754
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 1: was a prowler walking around. He told the dispatcher that

1755
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: the prowler had been sitting kind of sprawled out on

1756
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: these wooden steps in the back of the house, but

1757
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: had disappeared into the surrounding wilderness, and other neighbors said

1758
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: that they heard and saw my trees either leaving or

1759
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: attempting to enter the man's home and that they heard

1760
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: loud scre as in a vacant home around the time

1761
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: that she went missing. But they searched the area and

1762
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: didn't find anything. And later they searched the area, they

1763
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: called the police. I don't know if they came. That

1764
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 1: was the last time my Trees was seen alive. She

1765
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: disappeared into the Santa Monica Mountains and for five months

1766
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: the Lost Hills. So she disappeared super crazy wilderness gone

1767
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: with only her clothes that she had on t shirt, jeans, sneakers.

1768
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: So for five months, Lost Hills insisted that there was

1769
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: no surveillance tape of the police station because they wanted

1770
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: to see this, you know, like what happened, when did

1771
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: she leave?

1772
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: What state was she in?

1773
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,879
Speaker 1: But they miraculously found the tape five months later, sitting

1774
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: on a desk. According to My Teresa's mother, the tape

1775
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: shows her daughter in an obvious psycholog obvious psychological distress

1776
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: inside the intake toe. So she clutchs quote, she clutches

1777
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: at the mash screening and is rocking side to side

1778
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: like a small child, says a cousin of hers. But

1779
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the department said about releasing her. She

1780
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: exhibited no signs of mental illness or intoxication. She was fine.

1781
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: She's an adult, Okay, but you don't let them go

1782
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: without a fucking wall of her cell phone.

1783
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of this makes sense, Like, it doesn't add up.

1784
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 2: Is she an adult then?

1785
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Then?

1786
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: What's like? Then? Why are you treating her? Why would

1787
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 2: you lock her purse away? Yeah? And not answer questions

1788
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 2: to her parents?

1789
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry. It gets worse, Okay, I like it

1790
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: always does. So the station flog shows that my Rise

1791
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 1: made four phone calls to her grandmother, but AT and

1792
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: T phone records don't reflect those calls for whatever reason.

1793
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: So the surveillance tape also shows a deputy leaving the

1794
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: station right after my Rise was released, like leaving towards

1795
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: where she was going.

1796
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:00,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

1797
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: But the deputy maintained that he wasn't at the station

1798
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: before the tapes were released. He said he wasn't there

1799
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: that night. Then when he was caught in his lie,

1800
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: he stated, the night this nonsense happened, I was one

1801
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: of the guys that kept away from this, minding my

1802
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: own business, which is like what that insinuates that something

1803
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: was going on that you kept out of yes.

1804
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,839
Speaker 2: Well, also, it's your job to be at the police

1805
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 2: station and take care of the people that are at

1806
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 2: the police station. That's not nonsense, right, that's your job

1807
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: of a person's in distress. This isn't This is a

1808
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: person that is in mental distress.

1809
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: Well, the nonsense could have been, you know, the actions

1810
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: police took when she got there, whatever happened to her there,

1811
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 1: if anything happened or there. I'm speculating, So that's the

1812
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: nonsense he could have been talking about, you know what

1813
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean.

1814
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 2: So three, it wasn't hell.

1815
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Three months later, January twenty ten, that Angelis County Sheriff's

1816
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Department conducted so three months later, conducts one of the

1817
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: largest scale searches in the history of the department. Over

1818
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: three hundred volunteers trained in search and rescue participate in

1819
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,879
Speaker 1: the eighteen square mile search of the area of Malibu

1820
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: Canyon and the hills of Malibu Creek State Park. They

1821
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: find racially and sexually offensive graffiti on the walls of

1822
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a culvert in the canyon. That graffiti was freshly painted,

1823
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: and the paint cans, brushes, and other potential evidence was

1824
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: left at the scene, and matrise wasn't found. Finally, almost

1825
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 1: a year after she disappeared from the station. In August

1826
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: twenty ten, park rangers who were looking to see if

1827
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: marijuana growers had returned to Dark Canyon, they stumble on

1828
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: my Teresa's naked, mummified body. She was in a very

1829
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: secluded creek bed in Malibu Canyon, with the clothes she

1830
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: was wearing the night she disappeared, scattered around.

1831
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Oh so they had been taken off. Yeah, or she

1832
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 2: took them off.

1833
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Here's the most fucked up thing. Okay, okay. Deputies, by

1834
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: a protocol, should have waited for the coroner to arrive

1835
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: so that my Teresa's remains could be photographed, the site

1836
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: inspected for clues, and the crime scene established. Instead, against

1837
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: orders by the coroner, who later said that he quote

1838
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: was very clear with officials, the deputies bagged Richardson's remains

1839
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and airlifted them by helicopter. WHOA before the coroner could

1840
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: even get there. WHOA, this is okay? The corner said

1841
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: that he could not think of another case in which

1842
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:37,480
Speaker 1: police agency had moved entire skeletal remains without corner's approval.

1843
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: To prove this point. Months later, my Teresa's mother so

1844
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I can. So this is proof my Teresa how badly

1845
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: it was done. My Teresa's mother was visiting the site

1846
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: where her body, where her daughter's body was found, and

1847
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: found a fingerbone that belonged to my Teres left behind

1848
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: in the dessert, in the dessert, in the dirt. Oh

1849
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: my god, I think there's an article that they're with

1850
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: her and they find that that's insane, finds in the

1851
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: spot oh look, and digs out of fucking fingerbone that

1852
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 1: have been left behind because the proper people.

1853
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 2: Didn't did They eventually prove it really was hers?

1854
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was her for sure. And there have also

1855
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,839
Speaker 1: been small toebones, finger and verted bray found left behind,

1856
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 1: and also the bones from her neck. There's bones from

1857
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: her neck, foot, in hand missing from her body, her remains,

1858
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: So what.

1859
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah the fuck?

1860
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 1: This is such a crazy case because I followed it

1861
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: step by step, So her leaving, I was like what happened?

1862
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: And everyone was like what could have happened to her?

1863
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: And then you see the surveillance video and you're like, oh,

1864
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: that's some shady shit. Then they find her body and

1865
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: then the bones are fucked. It's just like it just

1866
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 1: keeps getting worse. So the disturbance made it so that

1867
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: the corner was enabled to determine how she died, right, I.

1868
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 2: Think that would be the idea, right.

1869
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: And the genes belt and black bra that were discovered

1870
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: a few free from her body, they were found, but

1871
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 1: they were not tested for signs of foul play and

1872
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: were buried along with her, so they weren't tested for

1873
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: any DNA, any you know, ripping or anything that would

1874
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: have uh huh.

1875
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 2: This is like that thing. It's it just reminds me

1876
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: of like it where you don't know what things you

1877
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: need to be in place until you realize they're not

1878
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 2: in place. So it's like once a corner tells people

1879
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 2: don't move that body and the police airlift the body away,

1880
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: shouldn't then those police be frozen in no longer they're

1881
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,440
Speaker 2: no longer active duty in this case because they're clearly

1882
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 2: hiding something like there should be protocol for the corner

1883
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 2: to then go to some other police chief.

1884
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where so this article I was

1885
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna that got a lot of them from. It's a

1886
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Newsweek article by Alexander Nazaryan who this article is really

1887
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: great because he talks a lot about the LAPD corruption

1888
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: and why this could have taken place, and they're like

1889
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: rampant racism that was going on at the time to

1890
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,600
Speaker 1: a point where you know, the second in command is

1891
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 1: going to prison for fifteen years because of corruption. So

1892
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: it's incredibly corrupt. There's like, you know, rampant anti anti

1893
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: rampant racism, and so he tells I don't talk about

1894
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: it a lot in this, but he tells background of

1895
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: why this is so obvious and you know, could have

1896
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: happened this way.

1897
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 2: When you and I think most people that are into

1898
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 2: true crime watched the the ESPN thirty by thirty of g. Simpson. Yeah,

1899
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 2: that part of the Daryl Gates era of the LAPD

1900
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: was so shocking and eye opening to me. And it

1901
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,440
Speaker 2: going all the way back to the riots in the sixties.

1902
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 2: It's just so crazy how long this has been a

1903
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 2: humongous problem in Los Angeles. That is never that it

1904
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 2: hasn't been solved or even released addressed.

1905
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, and it's it's not not happening anymore,

1906
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's.

1907
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 2: It hasn't changed at all.

1908
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: No, No, it's just hidden better. And you know, we've

1909
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: we've put a band aid over some of the things

1910
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: to make it look less horrifying, but it's still there.

1911
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 2: Well. And also it's just the it's the rationalism, the

1912
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 2: justification of using the violence and the crime that happens

1913
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 2: in the day to day to then justify any behavior

1914
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: on the part. I mean, it's just it sucks. I

1915
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 2: have plenty, I have a bunch of people who are

1916
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 2: police people in my family. I'm not anti police. I'm

1917
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 2: it's down to the person. So though, especially in this

1918
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 2: day and age, it's down to the person because there's

1919
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 2: because it's just such a it's like such a closed

1920
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a frat basically.

1921
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and in La and I'm sure a lot

1922
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: of other cities specifically, the cards are stacked against you

1923
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: if you're not white and you don't have money, yes,

1924
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: and you're you know, the cards are stacked against you.

1925
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: You don't start at zero sum, yeah at all. Yeah,

1926
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 1: And I yeah, I don't you know, I don't want

1927
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: to forget that as someone who lives here and knows

1928
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: that I'm fucking privileged as shit to be where I'm at.

1929
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, and also just we don't have to think about

1930
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 2: totally how bad it could be. I mean, this is

1931
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 2: like this is like saying you can't be mentally ill

1932
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 2: or you will just be almost literally thrown to the wolves. Right,

1933
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 2: it's insanity. And what did happen to at that police station? Yeah,

1934
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 2: then it opens up that whole door.

1935
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: The mental illness thing is incredible because it's like you

1936
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: should have taken her and admitted her for psychiatric treatment

1937
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: because she was mentally unstable and unsound to make her

1938
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: own decisions. And not only did you not do that

1939
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: and keep her in prison or keep her in jail

1940
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: until her mother could come or someone could come, you

1941
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: let her out without money, without a jacket, without any

1942
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: You knew she wasn't going to get anywhere. It's not

1943
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: like she could have hitchhiked or she didn't hitchhike, and

1944
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: that's what happened.

1945
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 2: But they're still culpable, right well yeah, also, what's the

1946
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: if you know? See, that's the thing is this isn't

1947
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 2: just a random person that they don't know and like, well,

1948
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 2: too bad for you, and you're an adult. There's someone

1949
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 2: contacting you, telling you what the situation is, telling you

1950
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: there are concerns, and you still do the thing against

1951
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 2: that person's wishes. Yeah, that's what makes leads me to

1952
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 2: believe something else was taking place, because why would you hide,

1953
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: why would you say we just let her go and

1954
01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,839
Speaker 2: she left and it's not our problem. It's an adult

1955
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 2: that it makes that feels like COVERABP.

1956
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's so crazy. The mom specifically was like, she

1957
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know the area, and I don't want her to

1958
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: get killed. Yeah, but what's so frustrating to me listening

1959
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to the tape of her mother calling is like this

1960
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 1: feeling of nobody. Like I think a lot about when

1961
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: you call the cops and they don't help you, what

1962
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: do you You can't call the cops again? On like that's

1963
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: your last Yes, that's your last. That's supposed to be

1964
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: the last option is you call the cops and they

1965
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, but it's so sad to be like

1966
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: the moment the minute they told her to wait two

1967
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: hours and she hung up the phone, I picture her

1968
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 1: in her house and her family having to wait two hours.

1969
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.

1970
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's not a runaway, you know, you let

1971
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: you guys let her out, And the minute they're like

1972
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 1: oh shit, they're then they're culpable and they're open for Well.

1973
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't make sense because it's like, oh, if

1974
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 2: you're going to treat this person like, oh there, look,

1975
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 2: she went to a restaurant, she ate eighty dollars worth

1976
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 2: of and she couldn't pay for it, and we arrested her. Okay,

1977
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 2: got it.

1978
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of.

1979
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,799
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me. Yeah, you're it is illegal

1980
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 2: to do that thing, and they're but there, then you

1981
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 2: learn there are extenuating circumstances and it so clearly it

1982
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 2: wasn't that big of a crime to you if you

1983
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: just released her the next list y, so you didn't there,

1984
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 2: this isn't you're not holding her for uh robbery or

1985
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 2: what would that be. You're not holding her that's not stealing.

1986
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Well, when I when I was a teenage you no,

1987
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: like in seventh grade and got caught stealing, you know,

1988
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: they give you a ticket, like the ticket you like

1989
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 1: cop would yeah, and you move on.

1990
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1991
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, well, why didn't that just happen? Well,

1992
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: it's because they've then searched her car and found.

1993
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:50,799
Speaker 2: You know, but then they're not holding her for drugs.

1994
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: They're not because she took sobriety test and she passed.

1995
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck, it doesn't. It's just like you can't. You

1996
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: can't justify the police action in this because nothing is

1997
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 2: adding up to this is a criminal and so we

1998
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 2: treated her like a criminal. It's like, may you know

1999
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: this is a person, This is say, a criminal who

2000
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 2: ate eighty dollars worth of food that she couldn't pay

2001
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: for in a manic episode, and then people do way

2002
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 2: crazier shit.

2003
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we've talked about a Lisa Lamb and how

2004
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: that could have been how she got in the water tank,

2005
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: which you know, if you compare these two cases, it's like, yeah,

2006
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 1: you do crazy shit when you're going through a manic episode. Yes,

2007
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 1: But also the lost I feel like you're talking about

2008
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about a police department or a police Yeah,

2009
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 1: a police department Lost Hills that deals mostly with rich

2010
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: white people upset about something. They don't know how to

2011
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: deal with something like this and so they I don't know, Yeah, yeah,

2012
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: so that I think that makes a big difference. It's

2013
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,839
Speaker 1: not like it was, you know, the Hollywood police department,

2014
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 1: which also wouldn't have been as big of a deal

2015
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: because if they let her out in Hollywood, she'd have

2016
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 1: fucking places to go.

2017
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Well, and also I would think that they would be

2018
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 2: much more used to dealing with people with mental illness.

2019
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 2: The Hollywood police apartment, Like there's that one on Wilcox

2020
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 2: that's just like never not hopping total day and night.

2021
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 2: There's somebody pulling in or pulling out of that because

2022
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 2: that's my that's my sneak up to get out of

2023
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 2: Hollywood and go home.

2024
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone the sneaks Wilcox.

2025
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 2: That's my sneake at Wilcox. Man, that's like that's the

2026
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 2: North South Fountain. Yeah, but totally. But I mean, like

2027
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 2: you're right, it's like it's almost like a privileged police

2028
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 2: department because they don't have that much happening there.

2029
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 1: So they don't have experience with these sorts of things.

2030
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 2: And when they do, it's like some crazily rich, drunk

2031
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 2: white woman or say Scenes who's like fuck you, or

2032
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 2: mel Gibson who or I think didn't. Also, they pull

2033
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 2: over Reese Withtherspin and she said, do you know who

2034
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: I am?

2035
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: Is that I met?

2036
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 2: Right, I'm pretty sure that happened in Malibu anyway. Whatever.

2037
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 2: That's that kind of thing of like everyone's kind of

2038
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 2: living up to this certain so it's suddenly like, oh,

2039
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: there's a black girl that ate ate food she couldn't

2040
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 2: pay for. So now we're going to treat her like

2041
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 2: the criminal she is. Well, okay, but then that means

2042
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 2: you would that that would mean process her in a

2043
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 2: criminal way that keeps her safe, and that the thing

2044
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 2: of the mom going, please don't let her go.

2045
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 3: That's just.

2046
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: We have to get plumbers. So my beautiful new house

2047
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:34,520
Speaker 2: it's now having plumbing problems. Is everybody?

2048
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 1: They don't know, But I hope that's not a ghost.

2049
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 1: It's just plumbing problem.

2050
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 2: It just suddenly starts like like it's about to overflow

2051
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 2: with like fucking with racial tension.

2052
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: All right, yes, all of that is correct. They find

2053
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,799
Speaker 1: her body, all these bunds are missing, they can't determine

2054
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: how she died, and then her shit's not tested for

2055
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: foul play. Okay, Then there's no explanation given for why

2056
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: investigators were never able to find her Vans sneakers or

2057
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: her T shirt that she was rang when she disappeared.

2058
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Her jeans, bell and black bra were there, which is

2059
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 1: like you could be like, well, animals came and got them,

2060
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: but it's like why would they pick a pair of

2061
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: shoes and a T shirt and not all this other stuff?

2062
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: And her body wasn't messed with it's not right.

2063
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 2: Also, that makes me think of I did those stories

2064
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: about the deaths on Mount Hood. I mean it was

2065
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 2: no Crater Lake, the Crater Lake stories that I did

2066
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 2: in Portland, and one of them there was a guy

2067
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 2: that they found his body like years later, and it

2068
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 2: was a skeleton sitting in jeans. Like, jeans don't just

2069
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: come off. It's not that animals can't take your jeans off.

2070
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yes, animals can't take your jeans off, is

2071
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: what Steven's writing down right now, I can tell.

2072
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 2: Think about what he's sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, We need

2073
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 2: like a booth to.

2074
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: Put him in where we can't see him.

2075
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: But also going back to the elsa lamp thing, she

2076
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 2: took her clothes off too, right, that's the thing that

2077
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 2: happens to manic people.

2078
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think another thing people don't

2079
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 1: understand is how fucking cold it gets in the I

2080
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: know La is like warm all the time, but in

2081
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: the mountains in La and especially in Malibu by the

2082
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,480
Speaker 1: ocean right next to the ocean.

2083
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 2: Really fucking cold. It's cold.

2084
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: So maybe she was having hypothermia, which is a thing

2085
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:39,759
Speaker 1: that they take their clothes off, But then why wouldn't

2086
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: they have found the rest of them, you know, traced

2087
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 1: her the trail she took and found the other stuff. Okay.

2088
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: My Teresa's parents have maintained that their daughter should never

2089
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: have been released on her own by the Sheriff's department.

2090
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 1: They filed several lawsuits against the Los Angeles County Sheriff's

2091
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: Department for releasing her from jail, even though they claimed

2092
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: she was experiencing severe bipolar disorder at the time. In

2093
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, they won a civil lawsuit against the county. However,

2094
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 1: two reports by the Office of Independent Review found the

2095
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: LAPD not culpable from my Teresa's death, deeming it was

2096
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: not it was not a homicide and there was no

2097
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: foul play.

2098
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 2: Then why did they airlift the fucking body against the

2099
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 2: corner's wishes?

2100
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: And the coroner couldn't say how she died? So how

2101
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: can you definite, definitively say it was a homice it

2102
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:34,520
Speaker 1: was not a homicide?

2103
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because, yeah, you don't gave that report.

2104
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you don't have the neck buns to test

2105
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: to see if she was choked to death because you

2106
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 1: fucking left them behind.

2107
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's months later. Yeah, the body has been out

2108
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 2: there for months. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, no, so I'm yelling

2109
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 2: at you. You're the one that told me the story.

2110
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: And they also clear They were also cleared of any

2111
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: wrongdoing in to how it handled the discovery of her remains,

2112
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:06,719
Speaker 1: so they were like, and also, it's fine, okay.

2113
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Ron's great.

2114
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: Rhonda Hampton, who's the woman that Alexander Nazarian from the

2115
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Newsweek article it like kind of goes around with and

2116
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 1: interviews her. She was a psychologist at one time in

2117
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: an office where my Teresa had interned, so she's really

2118
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: devoted to finding answers. She's just this really awesome woman.

2119
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: She filed a dozen complaints about the various deputies involved

2120
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: in my Teresa's case. Nine of these were registered with

2121
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 1: the Internal Criminal Investigations Bureau. But they are treating them

2122
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: as instead of instead of let's see, they're treating them

2123
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: as service complaints, not matters of potential criminality, which is

2124
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: like they're just belittling them, you know, or yeah, minimizing them.

2125
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: On December thirty of twenty sixteen, which is recently results

2126
01:49:56,360 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: of the criminal investigation into the handling of my Teresa's case,

2127
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: concluded that there was insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution

2128
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: of anyone involved in the handling of the case, and

2129
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: either way the statute of limitations for concealment or tampering

2130
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: of evidence like the surveillance tapes had passed.

2131
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:23,839
Speaker 2: Wow the end, I mean that sucks.

2132
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just straight up fittastic and I mean poc man.

2133
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: So that was a theme of the day of sucktastic shit.

2134
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 2: It's almost well, it's like rich police departments getting caught

2135
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 2: doing what they want and yeah, covering it.

2136
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 1: And not getting any kind of and not getting in

2137
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: trouble for it.

2138
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing about opening the door to prosecuting

2139
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 2: police then opens the door. I understand that, thinking that

2140
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 2: it opens this door to like anybody. But yeah, it's

2141
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 2: like it goes deeper and deeper and you know, but

2142
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 2: still it has to get solved because there are such

2143
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 2: It's like it's the most natural thing in the world,

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01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 2: the exploitation of power. It's like you give a man

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01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 2: a gun and say you have the legal right to

2146
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,919
Speaker 2: use this on whoever you want, you know, to your discretion.

2147
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 2: Is so much power for one person to have a

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01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 2: man or woman or whoever they're just people.

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01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,759
Speaker 1: They're people like you and me that just are now

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01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 1: police like they're not. They're my neighbor, they're like any

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01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: old dude, they're your fucking ex boyfriend girlfriend, they're not.

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01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 2: And they are also people who are being traumatized by

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01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 2: what they see in the streets every day or like.

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01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: What's it called when you just stop caring about it?

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01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: Apathy? Yeah, yeah, so but there's like real things going on.

2156
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 2: Did you ever watch Southland? It was such a good show. No,

2157
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:10,640
Speaker 2: such a good show. My good friend Sean Hattisy was

2158
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 2: one of the stars and he was the best. But

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01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 2: there was a character on it that used to take

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01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 2: a ton of pills because he had like an on

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01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 2: the job injury, but he didn't want he couldn't go

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01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 2: out on disability, so he was just in tons of

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01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 2: pain all the time and then just taking tons and

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01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,640
Speaker 2: tons of like pain killers, and it just is like

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Speaker 2: it was just the most fascinating, Like it's there's a

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01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 2: why behind all of this and needs to get analyzed

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01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 2: and it needs to get fixed. And that's like part

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Speaker 2: of it is that where it's just like you're going

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01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 2: out there, you're in pain, you're you deal with the

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Speaker 2: worst society has to offer every single day as your job,

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01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 2: and you have.

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01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: To make split second decisions on what's gonna happen to

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01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 1: who and why? Yeah, and you you have to stand

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01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 1: behind those or else you're gonna look weak and your

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01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 1: whole department's gonna look weak.

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01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's rough.

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01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 2: I do have a good piece of news. If we could,

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01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: we could actually finish this on like an up tickle,

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01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because again on the LAist,

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01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 2: I saw an article this morning that the LAPD is

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01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 2: revising their use of force policy with an eye toward

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01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 2: de escalation.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that.

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Speaker 2: Can you fucking believe that?

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01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 1: Shit? That's that's the word that needs to be in place,

2186
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 1: constantly escalation. You can do that, so it said.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday, the Los Angeles Police Commission approved a revised

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01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to read this article and someone calling me,

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01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 2: who was it? I almost I almost picked it up.

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01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 2: I have to text somebody now. Now I have to

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01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 2: wait till they stop calling me so I can go

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01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 2: back to my thing. So who calls anybody? I mean, okay, okay,

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01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,799
Speaker 2: we'll come back in here On Tuesday, the Los Angeles

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01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 2: please don't.

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01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 1: Don't you dare that's real.

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01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 2: I was bragging about getting calls. On Tuesday, the Los

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01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 2: Angeles Police Commission approved a revised use of force policy

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01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 2: that favors de escalation over use of deadly force. The

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Speaker 2: new policy requires officers to try and de escalate situations

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01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 2: using non lethal force whenever possible before firing their guns.

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Speaker 2: That's a huge step somewhere.

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Speaker 1: It always blows my mind when, yeah, it always blows

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01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 1: my mind when someone a cop shoots to kill someone

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01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 1: when you could have just shot them in the shoulder

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01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 1: or in the knee or anywhere, you don't have to

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01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,919
Speaker 1: shoot them in the head like on those feelis Boulevard

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01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: near where we live, Like not a few months ago,

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01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: some guy I don't know what he was doing, but

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Speaker 1: cops shot him right in the fucking head. Yeah, and

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01:54:57,200 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: it's like if you thought he was he was burglarizing someone,

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01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: he definitely didn't have a weapon, just shoot him in

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01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: the fucking me, man.

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01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. There just needs to be more tools, yea more options.

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01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 2: I think it's it's becoming such a like all or nothing. Yeah,

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01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, I don't know I'm just saying

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01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 2: from what I read and these reports and the fact

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01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 2: that you know these videos that go up where it's

2218
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 2: like the cop that just there was a jay walker.

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01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:28,040
Speaker 2: Did you see that? No, it's just another one. It's

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01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 2: a video that during all the other horrible things that

2221
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 2: are happening, people are going, can we please retweet this

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01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 2: and make this a story too, because it's a guy

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01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 2: that's jaywalking. The cop comes and just fucking cole cox

2224
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 2: him and gets him on the ground and just starts

2225
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 2: beating the ship.

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01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 1: Sha jaywalking.

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01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 2: It's that stuff where it's just like that stuff has

2228
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 2: to stop.

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01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 1: And that's that one guy who was a fucking piece

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01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 1: of shit. You know, it's not like that. Unfortunately, he

2231
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 1: represents the entirety of his you know, the tired of

2232
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 1: his But it's probably this fuckinghole and maybe his partner's like, Jesus,

2233
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I've been warning them that this guy's insane or whatever.

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01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Yeah, it's just it's awful. I know. Okay,

2235
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 2: we're back. Do you have updates on this story.

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01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 1: Joe, which I do so. I mean I've just followed

2237
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: this one. I always every couple months, I'll look it

2238
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: up on Reddit to see if there's anything new going on.

2239
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, facing pressure from doctor Ronda Hampton and

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Speaker 1: the family, then La County Sheriff Alex Villanueva ordered a

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01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 1: new review of my Teresa's case. Villanueva told ABC Eyewitness

2242
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 1: News that the case was reviewed from top to bottom

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01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 1: by a team of LASD detectives. Their findings were that

2244
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 1: the death remains unresolved, so those aren't really findings without

2245
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 1: new information. They still don't know the actual cause of death.

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01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 1: They have since added a department wide policy that ensures

2247
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 1: orestes are told they can voluntarily remain at the jail

2248
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: and till morning hours. I just think of her being

2249
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: really least in such a state, in such a place

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Speaker 1: with no resources, and that just breaks my fucking heart.

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01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,320
Speaker 2: It's horrible. It's just like you're left to yourself.

2252
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. My Teresa's mother, Latist Richardson, wrote a book called

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01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: My Rice, A Mother's Journey From Despair to Desire, about

2254
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 1: my terries and her own struggles with mental health. She

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01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 1: says this was cathartic. My Teresa's father, Michael Richardson, told

2256
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: ABC people say, hey, you got to move on. You

2257
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: never move on, but you carry On. There's no statute

2258
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 1: of limitations on murder, and all of those who loved

2259
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 1: my Teres Richardson hope someone will come forward to finally

2260
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 1: solve the mystery of her death. And her family settled

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01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 1: a wrongful death lawsuit against the County of Los Angeles

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01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in September twenty eleven.

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01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,000
Speaker 1: As part of the settlement, the county and the LASD

2264
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing or liability. There's still twenty five thousand

2265
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 1: dollars in reward money for information on my Teresa's case

2266
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: being offered by the cities of Malibu and Calabasas. Any

2267
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 1: tips can be submitted through LA crimestoppers dot org. And

2268
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: our friends over at Pushkin produced a really incredible podcast

2269
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 1: called Lost Hills, a podcast that investigates the dark side

2270
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 1: of Malibu, which you wouldn't think there is any, but turns.

2271
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 2: Out, of course there is a lot.

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01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Season four covers my Teres Richardson and is hosted

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01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: by journalists Dana Goodyear. So I highly recommend Lost Hills.

2274
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great podcast. Okay, so we're going to

2275
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 2: wrap this episode up. So here's the wrap up originally,

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01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 2: here you.

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01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Go, can I I'll tell you a thing that's funny.

2278
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 1: So Vince sent me this article today that this this

2279
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: why this ex wife of her her husband's dying of cancer.

2280
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: It's not funny. And he's like a couple of days

2281
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: away from dying. He's kind of out of it, and

2282
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 1: she wanted him to die with a be thought in

2283
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: his head. So she told him that Trump had been impeached.

2284
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 1: I almost started crying.

2285
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 2: When I heard that, because it's not sweet. And he

2286
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 2: believed it and he was like, Okay, I'm so glad

2287
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:12,000
Speaker 2: to hear that.

2288
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 3: And then he died.

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01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 2: Can you really?

2290
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: It's so touching, but it's also so awful.

2291
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 2: It's it's where we're at, hey, man, it is where

2292
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 2: we're at making the best of it by talking about murder.

2293
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 1: We're doing it. Happy birthday, Stephen, Happy birthday, Stephen.

2294
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 2: Please do something about police corruption as soon as you

2295
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 2: can in your thirties, Steven, did you please? You have

2296
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:40,280
Speaker 2: one job?

2297
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 1: Stop police corruption?

2298
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 2: Please? Can we please?

2299
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back.

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01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally titled, as we discussed, pre

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01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:52,839
Speaker 2: milked Cereal.

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01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 1: If we were naming it today, would we call it

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01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday? Stephen. Probably not.

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01:59:57,160 --> 02:00:01,320
Speaker 2: I mean not today, not today, Steven, not today's money,

2305
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 2: but not with my kids, not in my backyard.

2306
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: But maybe we would call it the.

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02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 2: Tiniest Wishbone, which was me referencing Passover Satyr with Guy

2308
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 2: Branham and breaking a little wishbone.

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02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 1: Where do you think the Matt guy is now who

2310
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 1: lost to you? I think he's okay. You think he's

2311
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:20,839
Speaker 1: still suffering.

2312
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 2: I think it's Matt Boehmer, star of Stage and screens.

2313
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 1: You think he saw the success of this podcast just

2314
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: blow up and he's like, oh man, my podcast would

2315
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 1: have been if I had gotten the Tiniest wishbone.

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02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 2: He's like, she wished for a podcast and it came true,

2317
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 2: so did I.

2318
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Or we could call it You'll always get by kid,

2319
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 1: which I said, that's right. Trying to think about what

2320
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:43,160
Speaker 1: Jim would have said, what home Jim would have said

2321
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: back in the day to a little Karen.

2322
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,400
Speaker 2: What he said back in the day was don't solve

2323
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 2: food with salt, food before you eat it. It's so

2324
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 2: my dad to be like, yeah, I'm seven. He's screaming,

2325
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 2: never seven years old, and he's like, you know, the

2326
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:59,080
Speaker 2: CEO do this and that or like never turn your

2327
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:01,240
Speaker 2: back on the sea. Where it's just like, I.

2328
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 1: Gotta have a lot of lessons to teach you, but

2329
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna teach them all at seven so you'll remember them.

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02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 2: So you'll just remember how to behave when you're at

2331
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 2: those big business dinners.

2332
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 1: And now do you assault your food out of just

2333
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 1: fucking spite?

2334
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 2: Think of it every fucking time, because sometimes you know,

2335
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 2: when you get scramblegs, you're like, I know for a

2336
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:19,000
Speaker 2: fact these need salt.

2337
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:22,080
Speaker 1: No, they need salty scramble they make them and maybe

2338
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:23,839
Speaker 1: French fries or like you're.

2339
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 2: Safe with it. But if it's gonna be people, it's

2340
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 2: almost like my dad was saying, hey, there's ways people

2341
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 2: can judge you which you would never get right, And

2342
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 2: that's what it's like, Oh no, I'm that person, Oh

2343
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 2: just for assaulting my food.

2344
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: Where it's like that's not a great lesson.

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02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 2: There's also I have a PO box and it's very exciting.

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02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:49,120
Speaker 1: That's because you said you don't have a safety deposit

2347
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: box and I didn't either, but you do have a

2348
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:55,520
Speaker 1: po po box yeah, which feels pretty fucking fancy.

2349
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 2: I mean it always has.

2350
02:01:57,680 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for listening to this episode of

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02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 1: Red We're gonna let us in twenty seventeen, and Elvis

2352
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: say goodbye, who better? Thanks for listening, you guys. You're

2353
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: fucking gorgeous people with beautiful souls and hearts.

2354
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and stay sexy.

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02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,480
Speaker 1: And don't get murdered.

2356
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 2: Bye bye.

2357
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:25,760
Speaker 1: Oh Elvis, Elvis, do you cut this part where we're

2358
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:29,120
Speaker 1: just talking and he doesn't come sometimes? Elvis, you want

2359
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:31,360
Speaker 1: to cook key? Oh, come on, Elvis, you want to

2360
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 1: cook key. Oh he's just a dick about it now,

2361
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 1: he won't. He waited till he got to the mic.

2362
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 1: Elvis want to cook He?

2363
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, there it is. Cookie.

2364
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 1: Good boy. Me Me go to sleep, Stay sleeping