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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: When Hay Soul Sister came out, there was a family

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Speaker 3: The parents were in the kitchen and the television.

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Speaker 2: Was on in the other room, and obviously that video

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Speaker 4: I'm Len Hoffman and this is the Music Saved Me podcast,

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Speaker 4: the podcast where we get to explore the healing powers

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Speaker 4: of music with some of the biggest names in music.

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Speaker 4: And we also love being supporters of Musicians on Call,

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Speaker 4: which is a wonderful charity that does tremendous work using

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Speaker 4: the healing power of music to make a difference for

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Speaker 4: so many today. Our guest is the leader of the

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Speaker 4: multi Grammy winning band and an old pal from Train,

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Speaker 4: Pat Monaghan. Pat, it is so great to have you

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Speaker 4: on Music Saved Me. I think it's been a minute

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Speaker 4: since I've seen you, and I actually still have the

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Speaker 4: Train bottle of wine here that I have not drunk yet,

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Speaker 4: so a very special occasion.

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Speaker 1: For me today.

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Speaker 3: Great it is for me too, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: To the show.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure when the last time we spoke was,

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Speaker 4: but today it's specifically about music and how it can heal.

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Speaker 4: And I'm curious, do you believe that music has healing powers?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've received emails many times that music has done

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Speaker 2: and I'm very grateful for those emails and conversations that

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Speaker 2: I've had. One particular was when Hey Souls Sister came out.

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Speaker 2: There was a family with a highly autistic child who

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Speaker 2: and the television was on in the other room, and

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Speaker 2: The first thing that they ever heard this eight year

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Speaker 2: be something in music that stimulates our brains and hearts

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Speaker 2: to shift or change or progress, whatever it is. But

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Speaker 2: I definitely believe in it. I know music has saved

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Speaker 1: Can you give us one example.

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Speaker 2: Well, I grew up in Erie, Pennsylvania, and music was

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Speaker 3: That I tried.

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Speaker 2: weren't many other choices. So I would just sing to

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Speaker 2: And then from there I became a singer and a

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Speaker 4: Well, you have a very strong connection with your fans.

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Speaker 4: They're called training acts. I've met quite a few of

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it means as much as

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Speaker 2: so we've become very close friends. We email each other

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Speaker 4: There's this trend for artists to be transparent about their lives.

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Speaker 4: For example, we've had jelly Roll. We've also heard similar

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Speaker 4: stories from Brent Smith from Shineedown. I wonder you've always

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Speaker 4: But is it even difficult for you to share what's

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Speaker 2: You know, I share what feels like It wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: Your song Drops of Jupiter, it's one of the greatest

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Speaker 4: Can you tell us about how you created that, how

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Speaker 2: We recorded an album called Something More and delivered it

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Speaker 3: Love story, and so that was that was the little

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Speaker 4: That were you surprised at how huge that song was

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Speaker 3: There's no reason for that song to become a hit.

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing as any other song that was

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Speaker 3: You know, drops a jupiter.

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Speaker 4: You had a charity that you work with, your charity

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible program that has saved people's lives and

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's really exciting to hear about things that other people

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Speaker 1: Things, and it's just it's a special thing. I think.

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Speaker 4: You had vocal surgery in the past, which is shocking

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the you know, that's an example of things

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Speaker 1: Oh, forgive me, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I had no It's okay, it is what it is.

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Speaker 5: That's like Tom Brady getting his right arm worked on.

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Speaker 5: That's not really what I was hoping you'd say. But

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Speaker 5: There are certain things I can't do anymore, but for

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Speaker 4: I do voice work for my secondary job, and I

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Speaker 2: It was more of, you know, just communicating with the

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Speaker 2: And but then shortly after music was everything because I

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Speaker 2: I think singing those LEDs upland songs put me in

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Speaker 2: what are you doing kids that look.

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Speaker 1: On your face?

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Speaker 4: Well, in closing, how would you like your music to

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a big answer, because I'd like it to

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Speaker 3: Of time, and so, you know, quit being an asshole.

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Speaker 3: I always did. I remember writing.

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Speaker 2: Those are the things that gave me hope. And I

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Speaker 2: So hope is is underrated and really helps.

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Speaker 1: Do you think writing music also is sort of a therapeutic.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Like it's if I didn't have the ability to write music,

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Speaker 2: then I would be a mess because it really helps

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Speaker 4: I hope a lot of people hear that and try

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Speaker 4: it out. It's pretty it's pretty incredible, even if you're

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Pat, it was so good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations on all the continued success with the band, and

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Speaker 4: thank you for joining us on music save Me and

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Speaker 4: and for the joy.

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Speaker 1: That your music brings to so many. Well, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, you too.