Speaker 1: Daily where we have finally made it to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here on the beautiful iHeart Studio set
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Speaker 1: are really excited about this show. It's a previous show,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not just any previous show. And it's
Speaker 1: really cool. By the way, just like, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: having you next to me, Jordan. We we've done that
Speaker 1: a week. Heck, we we flew down here. We got
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Speaker 4: I know, it's fantastic. The last time we did a
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Speaker 1: Okay, So, like I said, it's not a normal preview show.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a couple of guests to help us
Speaker 1: along the way. But for the you of the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: we are going only to prime ball Knower. So we
Speaker 1: are going to throw it to an interview right now
Speaker 1: with Fred Warner, one of the smartest players in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL, four time All Pro who has played these
Speaker 1: two teams, the Eagles and the Chiefs, at the highest
Speaker 1: of levels, the NFC Championship, the Super Bowl, of course,
Speaker 1: last year against the Chiefs. After that, we'll come back
Speaker 1: and we're gonna give our preview and then we'll finish
Speaker 1: out the show with my favorite color analyst in the
Speaker 1: entire game, Greg Olsen. Hell yeah, So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: the meat in some great analysts sandwich. But we are
Speaker 1: starting the show. You know, Nick, you're not part of
Speaker 1: this interview, So we'll say goodbye to you for just
Speaker 1: a second, and we'll say hello to Fred Warner and
Speaker 1: we'll be back in just a little bit. All right,
Speaker 1: we are here with one of our favorite I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say it players in the entire NFL. We went
Speaker 1: there Fred, four time All Pro linebacker Fred Warner, who's
Speaker 1: here on behalf of experience which can help you improve
Speaker 1: your financial help and keep money in your pockets. And
Speaker 1: yet it's I think it's because like you can see
Speaker 1: the ball knowing right, Jordan, when you're watching Fred.
Speaker 2: We have to tell you NFL daily we go into
Speaker 2: the weeds on x's and o's all the time, and
Speaker 2: we cannot wait to talk to you because you are
Speaker 2: to us the elite ball knower in the NFL. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna do something a little bit different
Speaker 2: with you today, and I know you're ready because you're
Speaker 2: ready for corner. Yes, so we want to break down
Speaker 2: this game with you. We're trusting you with.
Speaker 1: Our our.
Speaker 5: Kicking a couple of things some football.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, so we've so we've seen. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we've seen. So we're just excited to dig into this matchup.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it seems like faded at this point
Speaker 2: in my opinion. These are two of the best teams
Speaker 2: in the NFL right now this year clashing against each other.
Speaker 2: And I guess when you look at one key matchup
Speaker 2: that you cannot wait to just diagnose breakdown, probably jump
Speaker 2: out of your seat because I know you want to
Speaker 2: be out there doing it yourself. Like, what is something
Speaker 2: that jumps off the page to you about these seams?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the matchup I'm looking at obviously Saekwon
Speaker 6: Barkley against the Kansas City defense. I can't even just
Speaker 6: say one player because it's going to take the entire defense.
Speaker 6: The Kansas City's defense, I think has been the thing
Speaker 6: that people haven't talked about enough. Of Course, it's easy
Speaker 6: to talk about Andy Reid, It's easy to talk about
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce because they're all Hall of Fame
Speaker 6: you know people, right, Like, they all have done an
Speaker 6: amazing job winning championships for their team. But the defense
Speaker 6: I think has done a tremendous job. It's under Spagnola
Speaker 6: and what he's been able to do with these guys
Speaker 6: interchange Like there's guys who've been interchangeable throughout their system
Speaker 6: for years now. I think they saw the piece that's
Speaker 6: been remaining the same as Chris Jones, you know, Perennial Allpro,
Speaker 6: who's a amazing But you know, I'm interested to see
Speaker 6: how do they stop Saquon because everybody's been wanting to
Speaker 6: do that all season long, but everybody says it every week,
Speaker 6: nobody's done it, you know, So.
Speaker 5: I want to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2: And you and your role, you have to think about
Speaker 2: that all the time, and especially because if he does
Speaker 2: get past Chris Jones hard to do. But if he does,
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley is one of the hardest players to stop
Speaker 2: in the second and third level of the defense in
Speaker 2: the entire NFL and certainly has looked every bit of
Speaker 2: that this year. So as I'm middle linebacker, how do
Speaker 2: you stop him? Once he gets to the second level.
Speaker 2: What's your communication to the rest of sort of the
Speaker 2: players orbiting around you in getting to him and bringing
Speaker 2: him down.
Speaker 6: Well, the beautiful thing about it is you're not out
Speaker 6: there alone, all right. People try to make it about
Speaker 6: one on one matchups in football, which you know a
Speaker 6: lot of the time it is about winning your one
Speaker 6: on one. But in this game, it's going to be
Speaker 6: about all eleven swarming to the football like more than ever.
Speaker 5: You cannot allow him to have that space.
Speaker 6: If he does have space, then he's able to create,
Speaker 6: you know, So you got to make sure that you're
Speaker 6: liminitating that space bay getting all guys. I need that
Speaker 6: outside corner out there, who's covering aj Brown as as
Speaker 6: soon as you see as you need to be sprinting
Speaker 6: because we need everybody at the ball.
Speaker 1: You've obviously been in this position. Let's say you're lining
Speaker 1: up against the Eagles. We talked a little bit about Saquon,
Speaker 1: but before the snap, they present a lot to you. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know they can do the RPOs, then they can
Speaker 1: play faster if they want. Jalen Hurts is obviously a
Speaker 1: good kind of vertical runner. What are some of your
Speaker 1: keys as they're setting up to snap the ball. When
Speaker 1: you're playing against the Eagles, that are in your mind.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I played the Eagles a couple of times,
Speaker 6: especially a couple of years back we played them in
Speaker 6: the NFC Championship and then the year after playing them
Speaker 6: in the regular season. And the thing for me as
Speaker 6: a middle linebacker, like my coach always tells me, just
Speaker 6: take a step back. Like everybody wants to crowd the
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage because you want to. You're so eager
Speaker 6: to stop the run. But if you're getting too tight
Speaker 6: to the line of scrimmage, you're not able to see
Speaker 6: the full picture. You get down there and you start
Speaker 6: trying to just expose the excuse me, stop the run.
Speaker 5: Guess what.
Speaker 6: A J. Brown is running a slant right behind your
Speaker 6: head and they're doing the RPO. They're dunge in to
Speaker 6: him and he's running for a seventy yard touchdown on
Speaker 6: a slint. It's like I thought we were we were
Speaker 6: just being told to stop squon. It's like, no, they
Speaker 6: have weapons all of Devonte Smith, A J. Brown, Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 6: So at the end of the day, you got to
Speaker 6: take a step back, give yourself more time to read
Speaker 6: the play. Who has the ball? Is it Jalen or
Speaker 6: is it Saquon. That's another level of it where you
Speaker 6: got to read the zone read. If you're a defensive
Speaker 6: end and they and you got his own read. Are
Speaker 6: you being told to take the dive, Saquon? Are you
Speaker 6: being told to take the quarterback with with Jalen? All
Speaker 6: these little things are so monotonous, but there every detail matters, and.
Speaker 1: Just keep the ball.
Speaker 6: If I'm a coordinator, I'm like, hey, tackle the dive,
Speaker 6: tackle Saquon, Make Jalen take the ball every single time.
Speaker 2: And I love how you describe that, like, of course
Speaker 2: I did, because you're Fred Warner. But the way that
Speaker 2: you have to give a play patience on your side.
Speaker 2: You hear it all the time when people talk about
Speaker 2: running backs. Be patient, let the play unfold. On your
Speaker 2: side of things, you have to do the same thing
Speaker 2: and trust what you see and trust what you know.
Speaker 2: And so I wonder when you're flipping it around and
Speaker 2: you're looking at the chiefs and they're giving you misdirection
Speaker 2: of motion and all kinds of wrinkles and little cheap
Speaker 2: motions to the outside that I know you guys see
Speaker 2: a lot in practice, yeah, and little orbits and things
Speaker 2: where you're keeping track of all of these different orchestrations
Speaker 2: pre snap. How do you give those plays patients? How
Speaker 2: do you trust what you see there? What do you
Speaker 2: look at first?
Speaker 5: It's so tough. I mean, I hate to say it.
Speaker 6: I have yet to defeat them, you know, and solve
Speaker 6: that puzzle, right, I mean, I tried my best, and
Speaker 6: we've had some game plans where they've been more effective
Speaker 6: than others.
Speaker 5: The thing about Kansas City offense is they're unorthodox. You know.
Speaker 5: You prepare every week where.
Speaker 6: It's like, all right, this team runs this system, they
Speaker 6: have these players, they are going to do exactly that,
Speaker 6: and that's exactly what we need to stop. And then
Speaker 6: you go against Kansas City, it's like, wait, they run
Speaker 6: what they do?
Speaker 5: What he runs?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 1: Like how?
Speaker 6: And it's like and then you get in the game
Speaker 6: and it's like you might have been prepared for some
Speaker 6: all week, and it's like it's so much different when
Speaker 6: you're in the moment you're trying to play against the
Speaker 6: players like at Travis Kelcey, lack of Patrick Mahomes with
Speaker 6: the savvy and the connection that they have right, So
Speaker 6: there's so many levels to it, and at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, everybody got to do their one eleven
Speaker 6: and you know, and hope for the past.
Speaker 2: We like to talk a lot on this show about
Speaker 2: how Andy Reid and the Chiefs, particularly with his screen game,
Speaker 2: which it's a legendary playbook. It's like six hundred pages long.
Speaker 2: It just screens right. Yes, I know Kyle's is similar
Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of plays, but Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: I mean, my goodness, and so the the the ways
Speaker 2: he sets things up, the ways he layers things in
Speaker 2: the first quarter and then builds off of it in
Speaker 2: a totally different way based on your first reaction in
Speaker 2: the third quarter? What have you seen from that offense?
Speaker 2: And I guess what is it? Even as elite as
Speaker 2: you are all of these years at an all pro level,
Speaker 2: what does it still teach you after all this time?
Speaker 6: It humbles you every time because it truly is a
Speaker 6: game of chess, you know, And that's exactly what Andy's doing.
Speaker 6: That's what all the great play play callers and offense
Speaker 6: coordinators do in this league. You know, they are setting
Speaker 6: you up for the long game. Because people talk about
Speaker 6: coming out in the game and starting fast, which, of
Speaker 6: course you'd love to start fast. Everybody wants to start
Speaker 6: fast because that helps you out a ton in the game.
Speaker 6: But now the thing that I'm learning more and more
Speaker 6: throughout my career is it matters more how you finish.
Speaker 6: You've got to finish even faster than how you start,
Speaker 6: and if you're implementing certain things within the beginning of
Speaker 6: the game to then set yourself up for success later
Speaker 6: in the game where it's like, oh, yeah, I remember
Speaker 6: he did kind of come down on the run early
Speaker 6: in the game, so now we can hit him on
Speaker 6: the RPR play action later on the game. Like those
Speaker 6: little things do matter in the heat of battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because look, last last year's game couldn't have been
Speaker 1: more evenly played. Obviously, it was overtime, it's a team game.
Speaker 1: A lot went into what happened. But I watched that
Speaker 1: game and I talked about it afterwards, and I remember
Speaker 1: saying what I thought was the forty nine ers defense.
Speaker 1: They did come out fast. They they did enough to
Speaker 1: me to win. They they held mahomes down for a
Speaker 1: long time. So what was it in that game where
Speaker 1: you're holding them to single digits after a lot of
Speaker 1: possessions in that game that you thought you guys were
Speaker 1: doing well in that game that slowed them down.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean if you look back a year ago
Speaker 6: before that game, in the entire playoffs or not entire
Speaker 6: we had the one season we had to buy, but
Speaker 6: playing against Green Bay, playing against Detroit, we could not
Speaker 6: stop the run to save our lives on defense, like
Speaker 6: we were getting just thrown like toss to the Wolves
Speaker 6: before that Kansas City game, saying like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: this Niner defense is nothing like it's been in the past,
Speaker 6: don't We don't see these guys being able to stop
Speaker 6: anything Kansas City's.
Speaker 5: Got to do.
Speaker 6: So of course we carried all that with us and
Speaker 6: had a huge ship on our shoulder going to the
Speaker 6: end of that game. So you saw the emotion right away,
Speaker 6: like of now we're coming with a with some heat,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like we know for a
Speaker 6: fact that we're the best defense in the league. We're
Speaker 6: gonna show it today on the day that we need
Speaker 6: to show it the most. And but again talking about
Speaker 6: start versus the finish, we started fast, but what was
Speaker 6: more important to finish And we lost dre Green Lawn
Speaker 6: in that game, which was a huge loss for us.
Speaker 6: That was a huge emotional dump for myself, you know,
Speaker 6: like I'm shedding tears on the sideline in that halftime
Speaker 6: and when you need all the juice that you can
Speaker 6: get towards the end of that game and overtime, like
Speaker 6: you need all of that, right, And so those little
Speaker 6: things are so crucial in a.
Speaker 5: Game like that.
Speaker 2: And we can talk scheme all day long, but it's
Speaker 2: the emotion of it, right, And a lot of these teams,
Speaker 2: I mean the Chiefs, I always compare them to long
Speaker 2: haul truckers. They just know how to get there and
Speaker 2: they know how to get to that extra gear in
Speaker 2: the dark, down that highway and just go right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But this Eagles team, they've rebuilt very quickly, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of youth, there's a lot of guys who've
Speaker 2: been there for getting there for the first time, a
Speaker 2: lot of emotion probably happening. Team that's kind of had
Speaker 2: an emotional season overall. There's been every week it's something man, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I hope you don't have a copy of that book
Speaker 2: at this point, But how would you as a captain,
Speaker 2: as a leader, like, how would you talk to these
Speaker 2: young players? What would you tell them to be ready
Speaker 2: for in a game like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's so cliche to say it's a
Speaker 6: whole it's just another game, but you truly have to
Speaker 6: just treat it like it is another game, because if
Speaker 6: you if you go into it thinking, Okay, it's a
Speaker 6: super Bowl, this is my moment, I'm gonna go out here,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna just throw everything that my coach has been
Speaker 6: telling me out the door and just go rogue. I
Speaker 6: promise you, it is not gonna go well, It's gonna
Speaker 6: be a long day for you and you're probably not
Speaker 6: gonna end up with the trophy. So I know, for
Speaker 6: me my first super Bowl in my second season, I
Speaker 6: had guys like a Richard Sherman who had been there
Speaker 6: and done that be able to tell me like, hey,
Speaker 6: young Buck, like this is just another game. Like just
Speaker 6: do what you've been doing all season, like you've been
Speaker 6: playing at a great let at a high level. Just
Speaker 6: do that again this game and we'll get to where
Speaker 6: we need to go. Now, we ultimately didn't get to
Speaker 6: where we needed to go. But you know, so many
Speaker 6: things have to happen in your favor in order to
Speaker 6: win these games. And you know, there is something to
Speaker 6: be said about having been there and winning the game
Speaker 6: and knowing what that recipe looks like for Kansas City.
Speaker 6: But on the opposite side, Philly is loaded, like you
Speaker 6: cannot find a weakness in the roster, whether it be
Speaker 6: O line, D line, skilled players, like, everybody's so great,
Speaker 6: So it's gonna be an even matchup.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 1: As a as a forty nine er. I mean, who's
Speaker 1: played these teams in big spots like do you have
Speaker 1: any uh in your in your real gut, like the
Speaker 1: real threat owner that you want?
Speaker 6: No, I hope no. I don't want both teams to lose. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know that's unfortunately not possible. I wish it was,
Speaker 6: but yeah I did. I dislike both teams a lot.
Speaker 6: So there's there's no result where there's no result where
Speaker 6: I'm happy people.
Speaker 1: People are sick of y'all too.
Speaker 5: This is Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the last six years, four of the Super Bowls
Speaker 1: have been forty nine Ers Chiefs or Eagles Chiefs. That obviously,
Speaker 1: you guys made it back to the NFC Championship game
Speaker 1: so many times. We're looking forward to watching you next year.
Speaker 1: But before you go, tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: experience that you're working with here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, experience is amazing. They're all about saving time
Speaker 6: and money, which is what we're all trying to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: You talk about subscriptions for example, Uh, let's say you
Speaker 6: have you've got a brand new peloton and you get
Speaker 6: on that peloton and.
Speaker 5: You know, say, hey, listen, new year's resolution. Right, it's
Speaker 5: a new year.
Speaker 6: You get on the peloton and you and you you
Speaker 6: have to get the membership, right, it's not just buying
Speaker 6: the bike.
Speaker 5: You got to get the membership.
Speaker 6: But then a couple of weeks later you're like, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, it just wasn't for me, so he put
Speaker 6: the bike away.
Speaker 5: But then you forget about the membership.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: We all fall.
Speaker 6: Victim to getting these little subscriptions. They might be like
Speaker 6: the little three ninety nine ers, right, that just just
Speaker 6: kind of go under the radar and they stack up
Speaker 6: over time. Experience does a great job of just you
Speaker 6: download the app. They take care of those subscriptions that
Speaker 6: you don't need or don't want and just eliminate them.
Speaker 6: So then you're saving your time, saving your money, and
Speaker 6: live a grade life.
Speaker 1: He's taking a step back. He sees the whole field.
Speaker 1: That's right, and on the field, Bred Warner, Yeah, four
Speaker 1: time all pro. Appreciate you joining our previs show.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That was s Fred Warner. Of course, handsome man, very gregarious.
Speaker 2: He is such a great break he just would He
Speaker 2: was breaking down so many things. I loved hearing about
Speaker 2: the detail, the patience that he also has to show,
Speaker 2: and even defending you think defending a player like Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley you just have to you know, ram face through wall,
Speaker 2: right if you're looking from the outside. But him explaining
Speaker 2: the interest sees and the nuances, that's what we're all
Speaker 2: about here on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really cool to sit next to someone
Speaker 1: and kind of get the vibe of like, okay that
Speaker 1: even in that short of a period, you can kind
Speaker 1: of see how he's the type of guy. If he
Speaker 1: shows up to a combine interview, like all the coaches
Speaker 1: are gonna be like, oh, I want him on my team,
Speaker 1: Like that's a leader. That's a real dude. But we're
Speaker 1: the leaders too. I don't want to sell us short.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give our bulk of the preview right now,
Speaker 1: because look, I know it's it's Super Bowl week. We've
Speaker 1: been talking a lot about the rams and different news
Speaker 1: stories of what's happening, and we're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of great interviews the rest of the week. At this point,
Speaker 1: I think we can just start teasing him. I was
Speaker 1: a little worried, but it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to jinx him. I get it, Like, if.
Speaker 1: They don't show up, that's on them. We have Jayden
Speaker 1: Daniels coming up this week. We have Jordan Love coming
Speaker 1: up this week. We got Puka Nakua, Kobe Turner, Ashton Genty,
Speaker 1: John Than Taylor, Jimir Gibbs, Montgomery. They're all coming up
Speaker 1: later this week and we knew that, and there'll probably
Speaker 1: be some super Bowl talk there with them, but a
Speaker 1: lot of that will be about their old team. So
Speaker 1: this is really where we're gonna get into our preview
Speaker 1: of the game. And we have six categories, and we
Speaker 1: all like to honk. Can we possibly get through six
Speaker 1: categories in the time we have allotted? That is the
Speaker 1: challenge here. And I'm gonna start with you, Shook and
Speaker 1: just ask a really basic question, just like, what are
Speaker 1: you most excited?
Speaker 3: Little table setter.
Speaker 4: I'm just most excited for what probably everybody is who
Speaker 4: was here two years ago, the rematch. It is Eagles Chiefs.
Speaker 4: It was one of the most thrilling super Bowls that
Speaker 4: we ever saw. In fact, in the third quarter of
Speaker 4: that game, I was sitting there and I had a
Speaker 4: moment where I just thought, I'm at the best super
Speaker 4: Bowl in history. It didn't end that way, but it
Speaker 4: was pretty close. Now we get these two teams again
Speaker 4: two years later. Yes, the roster is a little bit different.
Speaker 4: We have a combined total of twenty seven stars between
Speaker 4: these two teams, returning a lot of familiar faces, some
Speaker 4: bad blood from that last matchup.
Speaker 1: I like it and it's greatness. It's truly great players,
Speaker 1: and that game builds the story. And I like the
Speaker 1: point that you made because I think sometimes games that
Speaker 1: don't have the hot ending make you forget, like, oh,
Speaker 1: the first fifty seven minutes of the game were absolutely electric.
Speaker 1: It's why I always stand for Saints Colts as maybe
Speaker 1: my favorite and maybe the best super Bowl of all time,
Speaker 1: even though the big moment happened with four minutes left
Speaker 1: in the game, But because those two teams were so excellent,
Speaker 1: because of the first fifty five minutes and everything that
Speaker 1: went into it, and that's what happened in that first
Speaker 1: Eagles Chiefs game. I'm totally with you, what are you
Speaker 1: most excited about?
Speaker 2: Kind of on along your point, Greg is like, these
Speaker 2: are the two best teams in the NFL this year
Speaker 2: and it almost never works out this way where we're
Speaker 2: seeing them in the actual super Bowl, and again with
Speaker 2: so much tension and heat behind this history that these
Speaker 2: two now have, and these are just the teams of
Speaker 2: who has the most dudes super Bowl? This is this
Speaker 2: is the dude Bowl. Really, dude, this is the Dude Bowl, Like,
Speaker 2: and I think the Eagles have the edge here. Frankly,
Speaker 2: we'll get we'll get into it. But it's like, at
Speaker 2: every position, a dude, right, I mean, someone who you
Speaker 2: would love if you're a fan of any team, at
Speaker 2: almost every position, you would love to have that player
Speaker 2: on your team. And I love that we're going to
Speaker 2: see these teams collide in this way, and I love
Speaker 2: that they have these unique storylines that are very unique
Speaker 2: to them, the Chiefs being this dynastic super force that
Speaker 2: now people are starting to turn on a little bit
Speaker 2: as that super villain. And then and then the Eagles,
Speaker 2: who I personally love because they are so gd messy.
Speaker 2: I love how messy they've been. They've just lived with
Speaker 2: their hearts on their sleeves all season and they've solved
Speaker 2: their own problems that they have also created. And I
Speaker 2: just I love watching these two teams kind of reach
Speaker 2: their peak powers at the right time and collide on seite.
Speaker 3: I have to ask, are you into trash TV? Do
Speaker 3: you watch reality?
Speaker 2: I'm not, But that's why I think I get a
Speaker 2: fix out of this because I don't watch reality TV
Speaker 2: other than Quarterback Island, plug but which you need to
Speaker 2: be on. By the way, it would be great Quarterback Island.
Speaker 2: But I just I love it because they really they
Speaker 2: do not care. They're showing you exactly. The Eagles will
Speaker 2: show you exactly what their problems are, a lot of
Speaker 2: them of their own creation.
Speaker 1: Nick can be our bouncer, by the way, on Quarterback Island.
Speaker 3: True, I will throw them out metaphorically speaking metaphor.
Speaker 1: How messy will it be if Nick Sirianni actually wins
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? You thought he was bad before. That
Speaker 1: guy is not going to shut up. You know how
Speaker 1: the Rams party so much after that Super Bowl? What
Speaker 1: is a Nick Sirianni party, and then I need.
Speaker 2: To see I need to see that dude on top
Speaker 2: of a bus.
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it, but Nick Sirianni
Speaker 1: losing the second not a second super Bowl in a row,
Speaker 1: but in three years here.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's like the you know, the Jane Lynch, the
Speaker 2: Jane Lynch meme. I'm going to create a situation so toxic,
Speaker 2: that's really what it is. It's like, it's seriously like
Speaker 2: I can't wait. And Andy Reid on the other hand,
Speaker 2: so calm, so stoic. But it works for both of
Speaker 2: these behemoths that we're about to see it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny though, to think of the Chiefs
Speaker 1: says like, oh, they're the less talented team, Like they're
Speaker 1: it's they have a first ballot Hall of Fame tight end,
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest tight end ever still take Gronk, but
Speaker 1: there's plenty of arguments to be made there. They have
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time. They've got a first
Speaker 1: team All Pro cornerback. They've got one of the greatest
Speaker 1: defensive tackles of all time. If, like George call Office
Speaker 1: gets the free agency, you'd probably make about twenty five
Speaker 1: to thirty million dollars, You're.
Speaker 7: Like, and yet the Eagles are deeper, Sure they are.
Speaker 7: They are more wild, but it's wid The Chiefs areted
Speaker 7: extremely constant. Thing I'm most excited about just basic, you know,
Speaker 7: as a true ball nowhere I got really down and dirty.
Speaker 7: It's just it's just the matchup in the trenches. I
Speaker 7: think it's because in the playoffs I have more time
Speaker 7: to watch the All twenty two when during the season
Speaker 7: I'm trying to watch every game that I can and
Speaker 7: like power through those can ends most of the time.
Speaker 1: And seeing these two four man pass rushers in past
Speaker 1: rushes and thinking about that matchup and how man how
Speaker 1: much Nolan Smith has improved in Milton Williams and Jalen
Speaker 1: Carter next to them, how much they've improved as well,
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat who's just as consistent as it gets, and
Speaker 1: Jylex Hunt even is adding a little pop and great
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, who finished it out the last time, is
Speaker 1: probably in that game. And so that could be a
Speaker 1: great matchup against the Chiefs offensive line, which played really
Speaker 1: well in the AFC Championship. And then on the flip side,
Speaker 1: I do think people are sleeping a little bit on
Speaker 1: the four man rush that the Chiefs have Now they
Speaker 1: and this is a theme I have throughout this preview.
Speaker 1: They are not the same team as they were the
Speaker 1: first eleven twelve weeks of the season. First of all,
Speaker 1: Carl Loftis says that there is such a thing as playoff.
Speaker 1: Carl Loftis, Mike like Mike Dana wasn't always the most consistent,
Speaker 1: maybe isn't there like, but has played really well in playoffs.
Speaker 1: Like that is a good for me. In pastors Omana
Speaker 1: who wasn't there all season and adds a lot to
Speaker 1: that group. And then Chris Jones is like beating really
Speaker 1: good tackles on the edge and thinking about that matchup
Speaker 1: against the best offensive line in the league.
Speaker 2: So just yeah, I love it. I do believe you
Speaker 2: had a camp yesterday in the wee hours of whatever
Speaker 2: time it was. We finally got got to New Orleans.
Speaker 2: You're the Jalen Carter of NFL daily. I got to
Speaker 2: be the Milton, the Milton Williams. Nice.
Speaker 1: That was nice.
Speaker 3: I thought that was more name recognition than Milton.
Speaker 5: He's played well.
Speaker 2: I love I love history.
Speaker 1: We're at the portion of NFL daily in our relationship,
Speaker 1: where now she's just lying. She was the Jalen Carter
Speaker 1: for the bit. She was the Jalen Carter and she
Speaker 1: had you as the Milton Bruins.
Speaker 3: All right, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Don't do that, ruined, don't don't do that.
Speaker 5: Don't divide us here.
Speaker 2: I will tell you Carlton, but seven seventeen pressures, three
Speaker 2: sacks and the postseason alone. I mean, it's funny. I
Speaker 2: mentioned him on the show, you know, a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and like I got like Twitter mentions or
Speaker 2: Blue Sky mentions about thanks for mentioning carl Loftus because
Speaker 2: he's sort of like a cult favorite in that in
Speaker 2: that fan base, and you can see why it really
Speaker 2: turns it on the postseason. I'm excited to see this.
Speaker 2: I think this is best on best in so many ways,
Speaker 2: and the way that those four man rushes, like you said,
Speaker 2: can just really execute. Both of these defensive coordinators can
Speaker 2: do dastardly things.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the next question. Which coordinator. Now
Speaker 1: you wrote it up. We have a nice little document
Speaker 1: we all we all shared, we collaborated, we came up
Speaker 1: with topics, and Jordan's was which coordinator will be the
Speaker 1: biggest factory? And I'm like, where's the juice when you
Speaker 1: mentioned that initially You're like, which coordinator is gonna, like
Speaker 1: gonna be the bigger creep? What was it? Who's going
Speaker 1: to be a bad guy?
Speaker 2: I forget Oh, I said, which coordinator is going to
Speaker 2: be the biggest bastard on Sunday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like sell it.
Speaker 2: That's because these guys are gonna be so mean to
Speaker 2: each other. And I love it. It's gonna be awesome,
Speaker 2: And I just I love how this vic Fangio defense
Speaker 2: has accelerated what normally would take a couple of years. Traditionally,
Speaker 2: his system has taken a little bit of time to
Speaker 2: really not just be implemented, but like to have the
Speaker 2: right players and then to have everybody buy in. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of tendency studying, it's a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: pattern matching. It's a lot of these things that are complicated,
Speaker 2: and it also is predicated on having good players who
Speaker 2: can rush for upfront and then mixing different things that
Speaker 2: he likes to do out of those zone coverages and
Speaker 2: get a little sticky in those zone coverages on the
Speaker 2: back end, and having really good inside linebackers helps with
Speaker 2: this as well. Having Cooper dejen you can stay in
Speaker 2: your preferred nickel package the entire game. And I just
Speaker 2: think that not only is this the one of the
Speaker 2: best defenses we've seen all year and really manifested that
Speaker 2: way over time. It drew some concern early in the season,
Speaker 2: and I remember saying on NFL Daily that's just a
Speaker 2: big Fangio defense. You're going to wonder what they're doing
Speaker 2: early on, and once it clicks, you can really really
Speaker 2: see the vision. And I think that where one of
Speaker 2: the things I'm most excited about to the first question
Speaker 2: is how well the Chief's offense and Andy Reid. I'm
Speaker 2: going to count him in with the coordinators. He's not
Speaker 2: a coordinator obviously, but he's going to be calling the
Speaker 2: game against.
Speaker 1: Vic Fanas Well.
Speaker 2: Matt Maggie and Vic Fangio have their own history, which
Speaker 2: is fascinating. They work together in Chicago. They went against
Speaker 2: each other all the time, and Matt Naggey knows what
Speaker 2: Vic Fangio is capable of. But this Andy Reid offense
Speaker 2: and the way that the Chiefs have been so comfortable
Speaker 2: just picking away at different parts of the field, picking
Speaker 2: at the seams a little bit, getting the screen game
Speaker 2: going and really like biding their time and setting up
Speaker 2: the longer downfield passing game that we've seen in recent weeks.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect way to play this Vic Fangio defense.
Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating that juxtaposition between what Vic
Speaker 2: is going to do and what he's going to try
Speaker 2: to deploy with all of these talented players who've really emerged,
Speaker 2: and then what Matt nag But we have to talk
Speaker 2: about spags.
Speaker 1: But I want to know what is your answer you
Speaker 1: asked the question.
Speaker 2: I mean, I am like the biggest Vic Fangio fangirls felt.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a really good point on the screens too.
Speaker 1: If it's hard to find a bad number for the
Speaker 1: Eagles defense in general, I think at this point we
Speaker 1: can safely at least I feel comfortable. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak for you guys, but they are the best
Speaker 1: defense in the league. Yeah they are seven, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: most talented, the results, all of it. But the one
Speaker 1: weakness is that they can kind of find in the
Speaker 1: numbers the next thing except they're not a good screen defense,
Speaker 1: and that really plays exactly Chiefs. What is your answer
Speaker 1: in terms of who's a bastard.
Speaker 2: Well, we say that lovingly. Also, I want to point them, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the thing.
Speaker 4: You can say it lovingly, but it could also be
Speaker 4: interpreted negatively depending on the outcome. And this is where
Speaker 4: I get nervous with Kellen Moore. You've got a lot
Speaker 4: of head coaching heat.
Speaker 1: With the Saints.
Speaker 4: We're in New Orleans and everything else, right, but if
Speaker 4: there's one weakness in this matchup, it's him. I don't
Speaker 4: trust him as much as I trust all the other
Speaker 4: coordinators involved.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yes, even Naggie. And because Naggie is he's insulated by Reid.
Speaker 1: Yes, also results has experience.
Speaker 4: He rose to head coach because of what he'd done before.
Speaker 4: Right more, I don't care about whether he's not been
Speaker 4: a head coach before. I care about what he did
Speaker 4: in recent weeks, which is putting his quarterback, who was
Speaker 4: hobbled in a divisional round game, into deep drops in
Speaker 4: his own end zone with pressure bearing down on him
Speaker 4: in a tight game. It's Situationally, I've had issues with
Speaker 4: them all year, and a lot of the blame has
Speaker 4: shifted to Jalen Hurts holding onto the ball too long,
Speaker 4: which is somewhat valid at times, but I think that
Speaker 4: he hasn't quite put them in the best spots all
Speaker 4: the time, which is hard to do.
Speaker 3: Nobody's perfect.
Speaker 4: But in a matchup like this, where it's best on
Speaker 4: best and the margin can be so slim, that's the
Speaker 4: last guy I want to trust out of those coordinators.
Speaker 4: So that's where it comes in as a negative thing.
Speaker 4: They are also if you look at them a year
Speaker 4: over year, and I know they fell apart down the
Speaker 4: stretch last year, but I did like just some digging
Speaker 4: into where were they last year versus this year, prepping
Speaker 4: for what might await more after this game. They finished
Speaker 4: eighth in offense last year. They finished eighth and offense
Speaker 4: in total yards again this year, but vastly different appearance.
Speaker 4: They were second in rushing obviously with Saquon twenty ninth
Speaker 4: in passing, which kind of leads to where we'll go
Speaker 4: later in this game. In this preview regarding this game,
Speaker 4: I just don't I don't trust him.
Speaker 1: Even those numbers are flattering to them because they're given
Speaker 1: better advantages because of their defense. In terms of like
Speaker 1: dv AWA and yeah, total efficiency, they've been pretty similar
Speaker 1: the last two years overall, You're right and in totally
Speaker 1: different how they got there, But they're not even like
Speaker 1: a top ten offense, which is crazy when you have
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. And it's why the answer is clearly Spags
Speaker 1: because he's the biggest bastard in maybe the history of
Speaker 1: football in terms of defensive coordinator. At this point, you
Speaker 1: gotta give him the love. Belichick would be there if
Speaker 1: you counted him as like a play caller, and there's
Speaker 1: been other ones, but I'm talking about what I know
Speaker 1: best over the last twenty five years. They're the two.
Speaker 1: They're the two on defense that would be at the
Speaker 1: very top. And to me, the number one question in
Speaker 1: this game is what you just said, Can Spagnolo make
Speaker 1: Jalen hold the ball?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I honestly think that like that's going to be the test.
Speaker 1: You might be able to tell it early. When he's
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball quickly, everything can work, and
Speaker 1: when he's holding onto the ball, good things are just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So with what he is showing, can
Speaker 1: he make them hold onto the ball? And then when
Speaker 1: he does hit on those blitzes because he will he
Speaker 1: always does. Is it a catastrophic play for Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: or is it just a bad play? Is it a throwaway?
Speaker 1: Is it a three yard sack? Like you can live
Speaker 1: with that? You can't live with the turnovers, the fumbles,
Speaker 1: the negative fourteen yard sacks that Hurts will take. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's Hurts And it's so funny because it's
Speaker 1: it's these storylines that have been traveling with him for
Speaker 1: years since Todd Bowles did it to him how to
Speaker 1: see handle the blitz? So it's can he get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball? And when Spags does confuse their offensive line,
Speaker 1: which you will at some point, how does Hurts handle that?
Speaker 2: This offensive line. By the way, these tackles have like
Speaker 2: the second and fifth best protection against pressure rate in
Speaker 2: the NFL right now at their respective position. And still
Speaker 2: despite that, and and part of this nick is about
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore too. I refuse to say that this is
Speaker 2: all about Jalen Hurts. But when he does hold onto
Speaker 2: the ball, his pressure rate skyrockets to forty and a
Speaker 2: half percent, despite the protection that he gets from those
Speaker 2: two bookends on the outside. And he even takes a
Speaker 2: long time to get the ball out against the blitz,
Speaker 2: which also is a schematic thing two point eighty five
Speaker 2: seconds on average per next gen, fifth longest in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and has the second highest sack rate against the Blitz
Speaker 2: in the NFL this season. And you have Saque mf
Speaker 2: and Barkley, who is also a good pass catching outlet
Speaker 2: back who is also a good pass pro back. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get to that later in the preview. But part
Speaker 2: of this is just infuriating design as well, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and that's what I think SPAGS is gonna watch some
Speaker 2: of the ways that teams, and particularly Rams a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, played Kellen Moore and almost forced Kellen
Speaker 2: Moore to play into his worst habits and his worst tendencies,
Speaker 2: and in turn, Jalen Hurts to play into his worst
Speaker 2: habits and his worst tendencies, and he got teed off on.
Speaker 2: And I do believe Steve Spagnolo is a huge factor.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he's like, you know, it's spending his nights putting
Speaker 1: together his Saints staff. Here, I don't know.
Speaker 4: This is know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 4: It's not setting up good for him. That doesn't mean
Speaker 4: that I don't think that the Eagles can win. It's
Speaker 4: just that that is the situation which he's gonna have
Speaker 4: his work cut off for.
Speaker 1: It's not quite Parcels making calls from I believe it
Speaker 1: was in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Putting his house in the market in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: From his hotel room, putting together his his staff. And
Speaker 1: there was only there was only like one week in
Speaker 1: between at that point, between the Packers and the Patriots
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he's not paying attention at all. In
Speaker 1: Belichick's getting all mad because Parcels isn't paying attention before
Speaker 1: Patriots Packers. That was a long time ago. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to what matters more experience or youth. We're way
Speaker 1: behind pace here really quick.
Speaker 2: Though. I want to say Jalen Hurts was great against
Speaker 2: Baggs and the Blitzes in the last time these two
Speaker 2: teams played in the.
Speaker 1: Champions It's a great it's a great point.
Speaker 2: That thanks glad we got to it that like here.
Speaker 1: He did handle it perfectly. Yeah, last time around, he
Speaker 1: could not have played better. And I think he needs
Speaker 1: to do what he did there, which was be aggressive,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: throw those go balls on like third and two when
Speaker 1: they blitz and just trust trust himself.
Speaker 3: Brown for that.
Speaker 1: So that's good. What matters more here in this in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, youth or experience?
Speaker 3: Nick, It is youth.
Speaker 4: It is youth because the Chiefs have paved their path
Speaker 4: here by being the most annoying team to play against.
Speaker 3: When they're on offense.
Speaker 4: Third and five, Patrick Mahomes rolls out, everything's breaking down,
Speaker 4: all hell is breaking loose, and yet he finds somebody
Speaker 4: be on the line to gain or he's already five
Speaker 4: yards past the line of scrimmage and they're still biting
Speaker 4: on the pump fake and they're gate picking up first downs.
Speaker 4: How do you eliminate that? You eliminate that with a
Speaker 4: bunch of young dogs who are athletic and can cover
Speaker 4: a lot of field and who are coached really well.
Speaker 3: And that is who these Eagles are.
Speaker 4: I know that there's more experience on the side of
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, but the Eagles athletes, I think tip the
Speaker 4: scales in their favor. They're also one of only two
Speaker 4: teams in the Super Bowl era to have the NFL's
Speaker 4: rushing leader and the number one total defense in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I just want to think about that for a second.
Speaker 4: The last team though did that was the Cowboys with
Speaker 4: them at Smith. We know what happened with them. They
Speaker 4: won Super Bowls. They played the K gun offense, they dominated.
Speaker 4: I have a feeling that if there's one antidote to
Speaker 4: this Chiefs offense this year, and America can all get
Speaker 4: on board with this because you all hate the Chiefs,
Speaker 4: it is where whatever shade of green they wear, now
Speaker 4: hopefully they go back to Kelly and the people with
Speaker 4: the wings on their helmets.
Speaker 3: It's Philadelphia, you okay, so you go youth.
Speaker 1: It's funny because, yeah, the Chiefs has more starters returning
Speaker 1: from this game fifteen to twelve, but they have a
Speaker 1: lot of young players too. When I think of vulnerabilities
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs, it's people that nobody talks about. Jayden Hicks,
Speaker 1: Brian Cook. I think about half their second maybe Jalen Watson,
Speaker 1: maybe Chamar Economar who's healthy and like, these names never
Speaker 1: come up, but those are guys that if Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts and those receivers do their jobs, they
Speaker 1: should have mismatches with. So so there are two teams
Speaker 1: that have a nice mix of youth and experience. But
Speaker 1: it's the Eagles that are definitely a little younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was conflicted on this. It was a
Speaker 2: great question because I just I can't shake this feeling
Speaker 2: in my head that the Chiefs are The Chiefs are
Speaker 2: like this monolith. They're like Pangaea breaking apart, like they
Speaker 2: are inevitable right like it is. So it's so hard
Speaker 2: to stop them when you feel that sense of dread.
Speaker 2: If they start playing stuff a ball, if a couple
Speaker 2: of marginal things swing their way, you just can't shake
Speaker 2: that feeling that they just know how to do this
Speaker 2: and they've just been here before. At the same time,
Speaker 2: that youth, that energy. It's the reason why this sprint
Speaker 2: rebuild that Howie Roseman did is so successful so fast,
Speaker 2: is because they identified the correct talent and they are
Speaker 2: maximizing that young talent at every single position, which supplements
Speaker 2: and even equals that in places they're core stars and
Speaker 2: some of the veterans that they had on the roster.
Speaker 1: They swarm, and I think that's where you see the youth.
Speaker 1: I do think they're a little bit faster overall, but
Speaker 1: these are two pretty physical teams in a league that's
Speaker 1: getting a little lighter. They're two of the bigger teams.
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm going to kick off the next one,
Speaker 1: which is if a player is at his best, who
Speaker 1: moves the needle in this scheme? And I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Xavier Worthy's development. They are using him and
Speaker 1: he is performing like a true number one receiver and
Speaker 1: he doesn't that mold because he's, you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five pounds, and you think about him that
Speaker 1: he's not totally complete, and that's that's fine. They haven't.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sammy Watkins had one of the greatest postseasons
Speaker 1: of all time on this team. He wasn't a complete receiver,
Speaker 1: but for that postseason, he was a number one receiver
Speaker 1: and he helped them win a freaking super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy is that guy. But more I think the
Speaker 1: subtleties that they focused in on, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot about Marquise Brown showing up and starting to
Speaker 1: do some of the other Xavier Worthy things, where he's
Speaker 1: got about three different types of routes that he can do,
Speaker 1: and his footwork is so excellent and he is so
Speaker 1: fast and he can win against any type of coverage,
Speaker 1: and the offense is really built around him in a way,
Speaker 1: I think over the last five weeks, especially the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that it wasn't earlier in the season that he really
Speaker 1: is that good. I don't think there's a good matchup.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Eagles have a great secondary, but it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm trusting any one of those guys in
Speaker 1: a one on one situation. And they're a great team
Speaker 1: in terms of their pattern match and passing off guys
Speaker 1: and maybe that's how you do it. But if you
Speaker 1: told me that he goes nine for one sixty five,
Speaker 1: oh like something crazy like that, I actually think he
Speaker 1: is capable and he he is the guy playing at
Speaker 1: a level that I don't think the rest of the
Speaker 1: country is totally caught up to where he is now
Speaker 1: because he's so different than where he was in the
Speaker 1: first twelve weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also about the interconnectivity between what he can
Speaker 2: do as running you know, pretty much a full tree
Speaker 2: at this point, which he did in college, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you watched a lot of them in college. Nick,
Speaker 2: he did that in college. So it's now it was
Speaker 2: almost like getting like one toe after the other into
Speaker 2: the water, like with him with Andy Reid and trusting
Speaker 2: as Andy Reid likes to sort of test his receivers
Speaker 2: and his skill players how much can I trust you
Speaker 2: and how much can I stack onto your plate? You're
Speaker 2: really seeing it. And when he is in compliment with
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown, the Chiefs over the last four games have
Speaker 2: increased their scoring average by five points per game because
Speaker 2: the interconnectedness of the two, it builds more dimension into
Speaker 2: this passing game that was all like screens and traveling.
Speaker 1: They were, they were the slow. They were somehow the
Speaker 1: number one seed as the slowest team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And now when you watch them, like there are some
Speaker 1: routes where the two of them fly off the ball
Speaker 1: and then they do comebacks because every everyone is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, these guys are actually fast, and it's
Speaker 1: just like you didn't see that. There wasn't that element
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs offensive literally wasn't there.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think Hollywood Brown is like one of
Speaker 1: the biggest X factors in this game. Good or bad.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it's going to go, but he
Speaker 1: makes them so much faster. Give me your give me
Speaker 1: your player who moves the needle.
Speaker 4: Well, I think on that point it was a lack
Speaker 4: of verticality and they can now get vertical. It's an
Speaker 4: overall improven on all parts. My player, if he's at
Speaker 4: his best, why does he move the needle? Going back
Speaker 4: to the defensive side, Zach Bond, because of the point
Speaker 4: I kind of just made the last one, which was
Speaker 4: it's the stuff over the middle, Because if you are
Speaker 4: spending time taking away suddenly an offense that can get
Speaker 4: vertical outside, who is the one guy that's going to
Speaker 4: be able to stop what the Chiefs do best, which
Speaker 4: is fine sawt spots over the middle. Zach Bond the
Speaker 4: number one graded coverage linebacker in the NFL this season
Speaker 4: according to PFF. I feel like a lot of teams
Speaker 4: they've played have missed that X factor you go down
Speaker 4: the path that they just followed, you know, playing Buffalo,
Speaker 4: playing Baltimore, you could say Rocwon was that guy. But
Speaker 4: it just seems like if I have to find one
Speaker 4: player on this defense against them, and I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm skewing heavy anti Chiefs and I'm not intentionally, but it.
Speaker 3: Just feels like Zach Bond, Nah, don't do that.
Speaker 5: Don't do that.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Zach Bond, He's gonna be the guy that's gonna
Speaker 4: be able to not only match up with Travis Kelce,
Speaker 4: but also take away enough of that area.
Speaker 3: But it's really still a collective effort on the defensive
Speaker 3: side for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Eagles are one of the best linebacking teams
Speaker 2: and defending the middle of the field, especially in coverage.
Speaker 2: In the NFL, Travis Kelce has more yards in the
Speaker 2: middle of the field and against linebackers on passing plays
Speaker 2: since since twenty eighteen, he has like the highest EPA
Speaker 2: of any players just where he lives. Insane. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: like that is Zach Bond, NFL Daily, first Tea pro.
Speaker 1: There you go. By the way, I didn't have the
Speaker 1: heart to tell Fred Warner that he was on our
Speaker 1: second team, but I was like, but it.
Speaker 2: Had an incomplete because the injury. Yeah, yeah, we love
Speaker 2: you Fred, one of the players of NFL Daily. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a great point because that
Speaker 2: is an X factor between Zach Bond and Cooper Dejean
Speaker 2: and some of the rotations that they get into and
Speaker 2: being able to trust the guys on the outside and
Speaker 2: trust the safeties. That is going to make defending the
Speaker 2: middle of the field so hard. And that's where the
Speaker 2: Chiefs have liked to live and breathe through most of
Speaker 2: the season before your guys emerged. I can't believe none
Speaker 2: of you brought up the most obvious one outside of
Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes. It's just Saquon Barkley. You know that, that
Speaker 2: obvious Yeah, I'll be I'll be that guy, Okay, But
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, you you hold your breath every time he
Speaker 2: gets the ball, right, because if he it's not like
Speaker 2: if he's going to break off the big run, the
Speaker 2: explosive run, not just twenty plus yards run, but like
Speaker 2: the fifty plus yards run, it's a matter of win.
Speaker 2: And you just feel the state like a couple of
Speaker 2: games of his in person, and like you just feel
Speaker 2: the entire stadium hold their breath every single time. And
Speaker 2: I just think that it's just going to be an
Speaker 2: absolute X factor if Saquon Barkley A does Saquon Barkley things,
Speaker 2: which is play really well in the first half, but
Speaker 2: then increase in his yards per carry and his effectiveness
Speaker 2: and overall success rate through the second half of games,
Speaker 2: which he's done all season, and if he has twenty
Speaker 2: or more carries in a game. He has always every
Speaker 2: single game this season gone over one hundred rushing yards
Speaker 2: and that is an absolute factor when you also count
Speaker 2: this offensive line and you also count some of the
Speaker 2: things that you need to do to a stay in
Speaker 2: your A plus game plan and take the teeth out
Speaker 2: of that bastard's blitz.
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean we said that word a lot.
Speaker 2: I hope that's okay, bastard.
Speaker 1: I think it's allowed. I am.
Speaker 2: We mean it lovingly.
Speaker 1: Want I want to go to what you think we
Speaker 1: might be overlooking here because talking Saquon there, he's not
Speaker 1: just you know, a runner, uh, He's a pass protector.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that I've geeked out on so
Speaker 2: much over this season. And by the way, it will
Speaker 2: be hard for him to run against the Chiefs defense.
Speaker 2: They have the lowest mistackle rate in the league this season,
Speaker 2: and those linebackers are very good on the Chiefs defense too.
Speaker 2: So what I really really liked about what I watched
Speaker 2: all season with Saquon Barkley is how he effectively navigates
Speaker 2: his responsibilities in pass protection. It was so interesting the
Speaker 2: way that the Commanders tried to attack using Frankie Louvu
Speaker 2: as a blitzer pretty much anytime Saquon was off the
Speaker 2: field on a passing down or anytime he was split
Speaker 2: out from the stack and into the flats as like
Speaker 2: an outlet for a blitz play, they would attack. You know,
Speaker 2: they would try to get to Jalen Hurts that way
Speaker 2: because they did not have Saquon in pass pro. And
Speaker 2: then they also that quarterback lead draw that they ran.
Speaker 2: They also like faked that Saquon was going to just
Speaker 2: be in pass pro and instead he just like leaked
Speaker 2: up the gaps as a lead blocker. So the Eagles
Speaker 2: are very aware of his gifts and his talents here,
Speaker 2: and I think that's another thing that could be a
Speaker 2: game changer against Steve Spagnola in all of his ability
Speaker 2: that we know he can do. But Steve Spagnola is
Speaker 2: gonna have seen that on tape, and he's gonna he's
Speaker 2: gonna look at those tendencies. He's gonna have seen some
Speaker 2: of those things that even through the course of the game,
Speaker 2: what dan Quinn was doing in order to try to
Speaker 2: torment Jalen Hurts a little bit with that pressure, which
Speaker 2: you know, Eagles broke that game wide open, But there
Speaker 2: are a couple of times there where you thought, man,
Speaker 2: that's a good plan against the Eagles offense sneaky.
Speaker 1: Big factor could be Kenny Gainwell. He's made himself some
Speaker 1: money this year. Yeah, I think he's a nice How great?
Speaker 2: How great of our name for a running back is
Speaker 2: gain Well.
Speaker 1: Either way, it's the perfect I never even thought about it.
Speaker 1: And you lose a lot when field, But I think
Speaker 1: too Kenny Gainwell can make big plays. I think the
Speaker 1: Chiefs might be a little vulnerable on the run.
Speaker 2: Do you like that we're air fiving over your head?
Speaker 2: Does that make you feel good?
Speaker 1: Is very uncomfortable. So it's like very very easy.
Speaker 2: Greg, I swear to God three times you almost hit me,
Speaker 2: and I swear to God.
Speaker 3: I swear to God. Number four.
Speaker 1: Who's the player or element we're overlooking Nick Bolton?
Speaker 4: And it sounds a lot like what I just said
Speaker 4: about Zac Bond, except Nick Bolton. The grades don't shine
Speaker 4: well on him, right. I think he's overlooked. He's never
Speaker 4: garnered a postseason an accolade that he may have deserved
Speaker 4: over the course of his career.
Speaker 3: But he makes.
Speaker 1: Grades, especially the coverage ones, not like they're not a
Speaker 1: piece to the puzzle.
Speaker 4: Just saying I know nothing and I don't judge my
Speaker 4: analysis on it. But I just know that if you're
Speaker 4: looking to justify my analysis, he makes big plays. He
Speaker 4: he just has a knack for coming through in the
Speaker 4: biggest spots. I think back to what Week three against
Speaker 4: Atlanta where he just shut down the Falcons rushing attempt
Speaker 4: on fourth down to win that game. It was early,
Speaker 4: it was on the road, but it felt like a
Speaker 4: tone setter and a reminder of this guy who was
Speaker 4: playing through a back issue at the time.
Speaker 3: He's not going anywhere. He's got experience.
Speaker 4: He made a big play in this Super Bowl two
Speaker 4: years ago when they played in Phoenix with that return
Speaker 4: of that fumble, which kind of swung the game in
Speaker 4: their favor. At that point, the Eagles had a lot
Speaker 4: of the momentum. I just feel like he's gonna come
Speaker 4: through in a big spot this time around. It's going
Speaker 4: to be again kind of like what the Eagles is
Speaker 4: going to be a collective effort. It always is. But
Speaker 4: if there's one guy who I think people are not
Speaker 4: paying attention to on this team, I mean, we could
Speaker 4: talk about Carloft is obviously going people are gonna pay
Speaker 4: attention to.
Speaker 5: Chris Jones.
Speaker 3: Don't forget about Nick.
Speaker 1: Bole Now that linebacker crew is coming so cool.
Speaker 3: The other on in this entire.
Speaker 2: Run, dang good linebacker crew.
Speaker 1: Like Drew Tranquil channel in Bolton. It's always rotating. There's
Speaker 1: no more Willy Gay there. But like every year we
Speaker 1: get to this point in the season, they always like
Speaker 1: it used to be a thing that it was always
Speaker 1: a weakness for them year after year after year, even
Speaker 1: after Spegnola got there. And then they figured it out
Speaker 1: about three or four years ago with with this crew,
Speaker 1: and they've only gotten better and it makes them so
Speaker 1: multiple As part of the reason, uh, my element people
Speaker 1: are overlooking is just like this Chiefs team is so
Speaker 1: much better than they were eight weeks ago, yes, ago,
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think they're worse than they
Speaker 1: were two years ago. I think they're better than they
Speaker 1: were at this point last year. Yes, think about what's changed.
Speaker 1: For like, when you think about the AFC, was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Chief's gonna get lucky and get through. And then
Speaker 1: you actually watch how the Bills played over the last
Speaker 1: month and watch how you know the Ravens played in
Speaker 1: that game certainly and some of the ups and the downs,
Speaker 1: and then you watch it. What's different about this Chiefs team.
Speaker 1: Number one, I mentioned the speed with the receivers, they're
Speaker 1: just a different offense. Number two that time off Hunt
Speaker 1: and Mahomes in particular on offense, they look like different
Speaker 1: players just in terms of their agility, so they're different.
Speaker 1: Number three health I mentioned Amana who I mentioned on
Speaker 1: the back end, it's some of it's some of their
Speaker 1: rotational players. In terms of Samari Connor being back there,
Speaker 1: it's Jalen Watson, who who's a huge upgrade from Nas
Speaker 1: Johnson like that, that's a huge upgrade. It's not something
Speaker 1: that you're really thinking about exactly. Justin Reid back there
Speaker 1: wasn't always healthy one of like Omana, who wasn't healthy
Speaker 1: at all this season. Like these are big time pieces
Speaker 1: for them that they're essentially because they have a lot
Speaker 1: of cap commitments replacing guys that were minimum salary, bottom
Speaker 1: of the roster guys that they've done a good job
Speaker 1: filling in. But it's one of the reasons they didn't
Speaker 1: look as good this year as a lot of those
Speaker 1: guys were in there and they're not in there, and
Speaker 1: as much you can actually kind of include like DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins and Justin Watson in that mix. They're not really
Speaker 1: in the three receiver sets. So though, it wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me if like Watson shows up uh in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and like makes a couple of plays. So you
Speaker 1: look at that, and then you also look at the
Speaker 1: way Mahomes has been playing. We haven't talked Mahomes. I
Speaker 1: know you wanted to talk about him a little bit,
Speaker 1: Jordan here. He's just been playing, I think a little
Speaker 1: more confidently, getting rid of the ball more quickly, and
Speaker 1: more willing to be aggressive over the last five You
Speaker 1: add all that up, and if this was the team
Speaker 1: that we saw all season, we would have been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the best team in the NFL. Or maybe like
Speaker 1: you could convinced yourselves the Eagles or the Lions at
Speaker 1: the time, where.
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be as mad at them because they
Speaker 2: couldn't argue with you.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be lucky. These playoff results in December results
Speaker 1: weren't lucky. If anything, the Bills were lucky to even
Speaker 1: be in that game. Yeah, let's just let's all hail
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes before we move on to our final point.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just it is so fun to watch
Speaker 2: and play football, and I think it's it's interesting because
Speaker 2: we go through these phases with players who are great,
Speaker 2: who are all time great, and I think it's actually
Speaker 2: if you look at some of the on the ground
Speaker 2: chaddar and some of the narrative swings not necessarily year
Speaker 2: over year, but week over a week, or you know,
Speaker 2: fans and how fans react and all of those things,
Speaker 2: it's hard to be that sustainably great without someone just
Speaker 2: really hating you. Oh yeah, And and I just I
Speaker 2: love that we are getting to watch the entire arc
Speaker 2: of this player's career in the biggest games, in the
Speaker 2: biggest stages, and honestly, he is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: X factors on the field for both teams. Saquon Barkley
Speaker 2: is gonna make a huge difference in this game if
Speaker 2: he can get going. We know that already. We know
Speaker 2: that the Eagles, in my opinion, the Eagles are the
Speaker 2: more complete of these two teams and the deepest of
Speaker 2: dude teams. Right. But Patrick Mahomes has that magic in
Speaker 2: him and he's just got this like when he really
Speaker 2: turns it on, it just you can't stop it. It's
Speaker 2: like watching this wave coming at you and you're just
Speaker 2: like all right, Well, this is my fate.
Speaker 1: Right, Like I think the weight of having to make
Speaker 1: it every year and how tough it is to make
Speaker 1: it back every year like that does show up with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They just find a way to win like
Speaker 1: ugly games during it and you can almost see him
Speaker 1: playing with like a little more joy once they saw
Speaker 1: the light at the end of the tunnel with the
Speaker 1: three games and fifteen games.
Speaker 5: That's what it happened, Chris.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, the weight is finally off and now I'm just
Speaker 1: back to Patrick and I'm playing ball play.
Speaker 3: They played the best ball of the year and they've
Speaker 3: continue to do.
Speaker 4: They have figured out how to peak late, and it
Speaker 4: starts with their quarterback. He was still playing some of
Speaker 4: the best football in the NFL for most of the season.
Speaker 4: You know, we've talked about this. I'd get crushed.
Speaker 3: Online every week.
Speaker 4: Why is Mahomes in your top five? Because it doesn't
Speaker 4: look good, But trust me, it's good.
Speaker 1: A little style for him.
Speaker 2: He had a down year for his caliber, for his standards.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because a lot of it was a slog
Speaker 3: early in the season.
Speaker 2: It was creaky. Yeah, that's the word I use a
Speaker 2: lot when I watched Travis Kelcey run like that, it
Speaker 2: was it felt creaky. Their whole operation just felt like
Speaker 2: it just hurts.
Speaker 4: But I think that they know that they have the
Speaker 4: opportunity to get here almost every year if they play
Speaker 4: it right.
Speaker 3: And these are long seasons. I mean, they built for it.
Speaker 1: They are the greatest team of all time in terms
Speaker 1: of a dynasty. If they win this game. It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say others if it had higher highs,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, or come up with some or
Speaker 1: to argument, but there is no argument against three straight
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and making it five out of six years
Speaker 1: and winning for it. There's just that it just hasn't happened. Now.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Packers, by the way, who get
Speaker 1: a little loss in the shovel. Like they did win
Speaker 1: three straight championships. It just so happened. It was the
Speaker 1: last two uh NFL championships and the first couple the
Speaker 1: last NFL championship, in the first couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 4: Half of it they weren't there. Merger, it doesn't count.
Speaker 1: It's honestly kind of stupid. They did win three three
Speaker 1: state straight titles. It's just like the league changed one year.
Speaker 2: Before the forward pass was barely legal. Ye just kidding.
Speaker 2: I know you were five at that time, but that actually.
Speaker 1: That actually is still the best dynasty over like a
Speaker 1: six eight year period, but it was a different league,
Speaker 1: and we do count the Super Bowl as the bottom are.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about. Final take. We got
Speaker 1: to get out of here. We got we got a
Speaker 1: lot of interviews. Uh, and we're getting to Greg Olsen next,
Speaker 1: so we're going to wrap this up. It's one final take,
Speaker 1: so hot that it hurts my feelings or hurts your feelings.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the underrated singer songwriter Caroline Policheck who
Speaker 1: has a song, so You're so hot it hurts my feelings,
Speaker 1: which always stuck in my head.
Speaker 2: You've said that a few times today. I've not reacted anytime,
Speaker 2: and you keep saying it. Yeah, look at this poll.
Speaker 2: Look at this poll. Pole p u lll like, look
Speaker 2: at this deep cut. Look at this deep cut.
Speaker 4: Greg, Oh my god, I mean I'm gonna look at
Speaker 4: Caroline Wow, Polo check.
Speaker 3: I think that's how you come on.
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of streams so Spotify.
Speaker 2: It is shocking because and I know You guys did
Speaker 2: this out of respect for the dock, right, because we
Speaker 2: were all in the dock like talking back and forth
Speaker 2: with each other. But it is something that can fit
Speaker 2: in so many of these categories, whether it's a game
Speaker 2: changing scenario, whether it is a player at his best,
Speaker 2: whether it is something we're all overlooking. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that will probably make a difference in this
Speaker 2: game that made a difference in the last matchup in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl when these two teams play was Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes scrambling and moving around. He doubles his scramble rate
Speaker 2: in the postseason, and the Eagles are the number twenty
Speaker 2: two ranked defense against scrambling quarterbacks this year. His fifteen
Speaker 2: percent scramble rate is the highest in his career, not
Speaker 2: just the postseason, and it absolutely killed the Bills a
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago.
Speaker 4: You know why the Eagle struggle with that, because when
Speaker 4: they're too busy flying around the field all the time
Speaker 4: with all their youth, you lose a little bit discipline in
Speaker 4: that process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what swung this game two years ago.
Speaker 4: Mahomes on a bad ankle, just takes off down the
Speaker 4: middle of the field like it's always been a problem,
Speaker 4: but it could very much be a problem.
Speaker 1: It sung's I feel like it swung every big Chiefs
Speaker 1: game ever that he only runs when he absolutely needs
Speaker 1: to rip your heart out. He did it in his
Speaker 1: first playoff run ever, in one of the greatest comebacks
Speaker 1: in NFL history against the defense that gave up three
Speaker 1: points a couple weeks later in the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: the only reason Pat Mahomes doesn't have another Super Bowl
Speaker 1: trophy because they lost the coin toss and the Patriots
Speaker 1: got it first in the twenty eighteen Championship because he
Speaker 1: was going touchdown after touchdown after touchdout and a lot
Speaker 1: of it was him scrambling. It's absolutely rageous. My final
Speaker 1: take is the Chiefs actually aren't that good defending the run,
Speaker 1: and that their defense, if you want to find a
Speaker 1: flaw in the playoffs, hasn't been quite as good as
Speaker 1: they were in the regular season on outside zone runs
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. You know who's cooked them. Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: James Cook then did it too. If you add up
Speaker 1: their outside runs over the last two weeks, it's like
Speaker 1: nineteen for one thirty two. Like play after play after play,
Speaker 1: they are not really maintaining gapper integrity. Then you look
Speaker 1: over the course of the season, what are they awful
Speaker 1: at stopping tight ends like EPA per play success rate
Speaker 1: thirty first thirty second in the league's I think Dallas
Speaker 1: Goddard could take advantage. Those are two really important parts
Speaker 1: of the Eagles. I think that's why the Eagles have
Speaker 1: been good. They can hit you wherever your weakness is,
Speaker 1: the outside runs and the tight end, and I think
Speaker 1: that's how the Eagles do it.
Speaker 2: Nine point three yards per carry on outside runs for
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley this season.
Speaker 1: Look at that. That's team works NFL Daily.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hi five.
Speaker 1: Is so hot that it hurts your feelings.
Speaker 4: Shook polar opposite of what you just said, which is,
Speaker 4: if this Chiefs defense finds a way to shut down sau.
Speaker 3: Ken, Jalen Hurts and Kellen Moore overcome that, or are we.
Speaker 4: Destined for a miserable experience in which Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 4: forced to.
Speaker 3: Hold onto the ball too long and it repeats that
Speaker 3: little period against the Rams.
Speaker 1: Who are you picking here? Are we going to pick
Speaker 1: the game? Why not?
Speaker 2: That was also that was polar opposite, not polar opposite,
Speaker 2: which sounds the same, but are two very different words.
Speaker 2: Because I say pole as pole, not poll.
Speaker 4: For like ten maybe three seconds there, I was like,
Speaker 4: what is she talking about?
Speaker 2: I did to enunciate my us.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what five minutes when you said
Speaker 1: that's a nice poll, and I was like, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking just beyond you just.
Speaker 1: Got to move on. I mean, I'm I'm taking the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I just said why. I'm not as bold as Claybon
Speaker 1: who thinks they might be up a couple scores and
Speaker 1: not have to sweat it out. But I do think
Speaker 1: they find a way. What I don't, I really hope
Speaker 1: we're not all going Eagles.
Speaker 4: Well, I was on board with Clayban with the same idea.
Speaker 4: My score landed around like thirty twenty five that range,
Speaker 4: and the idea is that it's really more like thirty seventeen.
Speaker 4: The Chiefs score, they go for two some sort of
Speaker 4: you know, we end up in that range. But I
Speaker 4: worry about that because.
Speaker 3: You say it worry a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a way to threat. I'm also a threat.
Speaker 3: We're all picking a lot of anxiety in this body.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 4: The Eagles had such a lead in the in this
Speaker 4: first iteration, I know these are two different teams two
Speaker 4: years ago, but I hate the idea of them being
Speaker 4: building another big lead and then my home storm's back inevitable.
Speaker 4: Like you said, So, I'm not super I'm confident Eagles
Speaker 4: are winning.
Speaker 2: Oh we're all picking the Eagles because hell yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: picking the Eagles twenty four to twenty one. And I
Speaker 2: think that the first at least the first half of
Speaker 2: this is going to be just a delight of a
Speaker 2: defensive battle that'll get the non ball Knower's going.
Speaker 3: Eh, we're super Bowl ever, the super Bowl nobody.
Speaker 2: Wanted, when actually it is a beautiful masterclass in these
Speaker 2: two defensive coordinators who rock.
Speaker 1: As we've gotten closer to it, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's everyone out there, or maybe it's just the people
Speaker 1: I've talked to, I think, what have you gotten closer?
Speaker 1: It's like, actually, these are two incredible, kind of historic teams.
Speaker 1: The Eagles have been this good for a while, two
Speaker 1: super Bowls out of three, but also one of the
Speaker 1: best NFC teams really throughout the Howie Roseman era, and
Speaker 1: this chief team, like the players, the coaches, it's an
Speaker 1: incredible matchup. We're not done talking about this game. Just yet,
Speaker 1: We're going to bring on another ball nowhere. That's Greg Olsen, yes,
Speaker 1: of Carolina Panthers' fame, but also now of Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: Right after the break back here on NFL Daily. Thrilled
Speaker 1: to be wrapping up the best preview show in the game.
Speaker 1: We started with Fred Warner, we gave you the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty in the middle, and now we have Greg Olsen,
Speaker 1: for my money, the best color man analyst in the
Speaker 1: business and apparently a long time buddy of Jordan Rodrigue,
Speaker 1: who knew.
Speaker 8: We go way back to those early Panther beat days
Speaker 8: standing by my locker having to answer why we win
Speaker 8: win more games?
Speaker 2: Okay, to be fair, was that.
Speaker 5: What you're tell me? Remind me what you're using?
Speaker 2: Sixteen?
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, you got seventeen, Yeah, you got seventeen. Playoffs
Speaker 8: was fun and then and then you were there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then, but I got to tell you, like Greg, I
Speaker 2: mean listeners, like you guys got to know what kind
Speaker 2: of guy Greg was in the locker room. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was a kid recorder, scared every single day walking
Speaker 2: in there. You got me in with Ryan Khalil, which
Speaker 2: was a big deal, and then you looked out for
Speaker 2: me every single day I was in there and you
Speaker 2: explained things to me, which I loved and it really
Speaker 2: had helped me set up. And when people are saying, hey,
Speaker 2: he's going to get into commentary, into color analysis and
Speaker 2: all of that, I was like, I mean, obviously he
Speaker 2: explains things better than anyone else.
Speaker 8: I appreciate you saying that it was fun working with you.
Speaker 8: It's been fun to see your career just continue to
Speaker 8: ascend and it's all come full circle.
Speaker 2: I know here we are on the daily desk.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know Greg Wilson loves talking
Speaker 1: ball because he said he's been here for what is
Speaker 1: this seven.
Speaker 8: Now, I wasn't doing media the whole time. I had
Speaker 8: a panel, like a press conference panel I had to do.
Speaker 8: But I'm going on, that's a wild eight hours. He's
Speaker 8: here with DraftKings. We're going to ask him about that
Speaker 8: in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to get into the game and and
Speaker 1: just you're looking, let's start on the Eagles offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. If like, what is the coolest thing
Speaker 1: that they do in terms of the running game that
Speaker 1: maybe the average fan would wouldn't totally understand it in
Speaker 1: terms of the details that they get done to help
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley do what he does.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I think the first place you have to
Speaker 8: start when you start talking about a team's willingness and
Speaker 8: ability both of those things to do really well in
Speaker 8: the run game. You can talk about the offensive line
Speaker 8: and the scheme and the running back and Sakon. We
Speaker 8: can go on and on about that, we probably will,
Speaker 8: but none of it matters if you're playing in shootouts.
Speaker 8: None of it matters. If you're not playing good defense,
Speaker 8: none of it. Like when anytime you talk about it
Speaker 8: offenses ability to run the football, it always starts on defense.
Speaker 8: And when you talk about a defense's ability or inability
Speaker 8: to stop the run, my first question is, well, how
Speaker 8: many points does their offense score? Because if your offense
Speaker 8: is scoring seventeen a game, you better stop the run.
Speaker 8: If your offense is scoring thirty a game, it doesn't
Speaker 8: matter if you stop the run or not, because lep
Speaker 8: teams run it, you're not gonna beat me. So it
Speaker 8: always starts with the other complementary side of the ball
Speaker 8: that sets the table right, So obviously they check that box.
Speaker 5: Picfangio.
Speaker 8: The job he's done defensively, Now what they do you
Speaker 8: think two years ago when they were on this stage,
Speaker 8: it was Miles Sanders. He was a twelve hundred yard rusher.
Speaker 8: This has been a traditionally high level running team. Jalen
Speaker 8: Hurts is a factor in that, and of course the
Speaker 8: offensive line and the style and the coaching and YadA,
Speaker 8: YadA yad. Now all of a sudden, you insert arguably
Speaker 8: the best, one of the best running backs. Right, it's him,
Speaker 8: It's McCaffrey, it's Derrick Henry, It's that small group of
Speaker 8: guys over the last handful of years that are generationally
Speaker 8: good running backs, and you put them behind this offensive line,
Speaker 8: and now this is where you get the magic. Right,
Speaker 8: So it's the whole thing. Like I can't believe the
Speaker 8: Giants let him go. No offense to Sa Kwon Barkley
Speaker 8: or the Giants, but Sejuon Barkley wasn't rushing for two
Speaker 8: thousand yards, and if he did, they were probably gonna
Speaker 8: not win a game because they weren't ready to have
Speaker 8: a great running team because it wasn't going to move
Speaker 8: the needle. So they checked so many boxes. What that
Speaker 8: unlocks for them to do philosophically with the third downs
Speaker 8: and fourth down and the tush push, and it can
Speaker 8: go on and on about what it unlocks for them.
Speaker 8: But it's a very special combination that most teams don't have,
Speaker 8: which is why you don't see most teams run the
Speaker 8: ball this frequently.
Speaker 2: I love what you said about bringing the complement of
Speaker 2: the defense in there too, great because I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: you can explain a little bit more to the listener
Speaker 2: about just how much Vic Fangio's death by one thousand
Speaker 2: paper cuts system is really the inversion of the suffocation ball.
Speaker 2: They play on offense and really plays keep away in
Speaker 2: the best way from teams.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been covering a lot of Kyle Shanahan, so
Speaker 2: you know it's a dark time the.
Speaker 1: Like I like, he's great.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so again you can't. So again, you think
Speaker 8: about the two year journey for Philadelphia to be back
Speaker 8: in this spot, and their defense under Jonathan Gannon two
Speaker 8: years ago was really good. The offense under Shane Steichen
Speaker 8: was really good. They lose a close one shootout, wasn't
Speaker 8: their defense's best game, but they're playing Mahomes and things
Speaker 8: happen and they lose both coordinators and then last year
Speaker 8: they definitely take a step back defensively, and they take
Speaker 8: a signific again step back also offensively, and he has
Speaker 8: to Sirianni now has to bring in a new set
Speaker 8: of coordinators. Again, that is very hard to do. You're
Speaker 8: in and year out on either side of the ball,
Speaker 8: let alone both. Now, somehow the miracle that Vic Fangio
Speaker 8: is not good enough to be down in Miami and
Speaker 8: he's available. As a whole other conversation, but he's available.
Speaker 8: He's a great fit. It's exactly what they needed. They've
Speaker 8: got some young pieces. He kind of brings the experience,
Speaker 8: he brings the edge, he brings what they need. And
Speaker 8: now everything that their offense wants to be is perfectly
Speaker 8: complimented by what the defense was all season long. I
Speaker 8: think they finished either one or two in total or
Speaker 8: overall points allowed. And again, without that, so many aspects
Speaker 8: of what makes the offense so good is less effective,
Speaker 8: So you can't get I would argue that Fangio's the
Speaker 8: Assistant Coach of the Year or whatever that award is,
Speaker 8: because his impact on that team to get them back
Speaker 8: to this super Bowl is as equally important as Saquon
Speaker 8: and Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown and Kellen Moore, and
Speaker 8: they we all deserve their flowers, but it hinges on
Speaker 8: the ability that the opponent's not scoring a million points.
Speaker 4: We saw that all kind of come together in the
Speaker 4: NFC Championship game, right, you forced all the turnovers, you
Speaker 4: capitalize offensively. But for much of this season, I feel
Speaker 4: as if, especially since probably a week seven, it's been
Speaker 4: more about the defense than anybody. Right, they hold the
Speaker 4: Giants to three points, they start to ride this wave.
Speaker 4: Saquon is the face of the offense, but I feel
Speaker 4: like what we don't pay attention to at times. What
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about is how is he
Speaker 4: married with this offensive line? Because they've undergone a lot
Speaker 4: of changes. You know, year over year, they lost Kelsey,
Speaker 4: they moved Jurgens over to center, where he was playing
Speaker 4: center in college before he had to play guard. You
Speaker 4: have a number of different guys mckaype Beckton goes from
Speaker 4: tackle to guard. What can you say about all the
Speaker 4: changes that they've undergone and how it's kind of just
Speaker 4: led them here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's a great question. I think when
Speaker 8: you bring in these really established veteran running backs, you know,
Speaker 8: you look at just this past year. Right, you got
Speaker 8: Joe Mixon down in Houston, you got Derrick Henry in Baltimore,
Speaker 8: you got Saquon obviously in Philadelphia, and all of them
Speaker 8: to mixed results in different But what team find themselves
Speaker 8: being forced to do is they say, Okay, I'm taking
Speaker 8: in Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, whoever it is.
Speaker 5: What do they specialize in? Right?
Speaker 8: Are they gap runners? Are they inside zone? Are they
Speaker 8: perimeter runners? Are they one cut and go guys? Or
Speaker 8: they see it patient and then hit it. Every running
Speaker 8: back has their different style and flavor. But what happens
Speaker 8: is now you bring in this running back and you
Speaker 8: pay them a gazillion dollars and you say, okay, I
Speaker 8: gotta do what they're comfortable doing. I'm not going to
Speaker 8: ask Saquon Barkley to not do what he's comfortable doing.
Speaker 8: But then what that does is, well, what about the
Speaker 8: offensive line. What if you have an offensive line that's
Speaker 8: built to be a zone team and all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: you want to be a gap scheme down downhill counter team,
Speaker 8: or you want to be a downhill gap counter team,
Speaker 8: and your big bodies and you're big and vertical, and
Speaker 8: maybe you're not as good on the perimeter. Maybe you
Speaker 8: can't get big bodies in space. Well, then you have
Speaker 8: the Philadelphia Eagles, and they can run zone, they can
Speaker 8: run counter, they can spread you out, they can pack
Speaker 8: you in, they can play, they can play vertical and
Speaker 8: remove you off the line of scrimmage. They can pin
Speaker 8: and get big bodies out on the perimeter. They have
Speaker 8: the combination of the verse running backs who can really
Speaker 8: check every box to go along with an offensive line
Speaker 8: that is not going to be challenged or strained by
Speaker 8: anything that Saquon Barkley or Kellen Moore feel comfortable doing. Again,
Speaker 8: that's not normal, Like, that's not most teams. That's not
Speaker 8: how most offenses. They build it around a certain identity
Speaker 8: and they lean into it because that's the best way
Speaker 8: to maximize it. There's so many layers to this Philadelphia
Speaker 8: team that one unlocks, the next unlocks the next, and
Speaker 8: when it all rolls together, they're really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that. And one of the things Greg brought
Speaker 2: up earlier in our preview, our middle portion we were
Speaker 2: like in a sandwich between Fred and Greg is great.
Speaker 2: The outside run Saquon Barkley nine and a half yards
Speaker 2: per outside run that he's had this year at thirty
Speaker 2: seven times, we think that might be a factor here,
Speaker 2: stretching that Chiefs defense out a little bit wider. But
Speaker 2: I have to ask you because we do want to
Speaker 2: talk about the Chiefs, and I know we've only got
Speaker 2: you for a limited amount of time. We could talk
Speaker 2: to you all day, Greg, but how do you counter
Speaker 2: what's deef Spagnolo is going to bring? And how have
Speaker 2: you I mean, I know you have watched the history
Speaker 2: files of Spags and admired him for a long time,
Speaker 2: So how has he continued to do this? And how
Speaker 2: do you stop those blitzes?
Speaker 8: Yeah, the play callers and the assistant you know, the coordinators,
Speaker 8: play callers and Andy Reid case obviously he's the head coach,
Speaker 8: but just the assistance, the staff, the play callers, the
Speaker 8: coordinators of this matchup are equally as entertaining and equally
Speaker 8: as interesting as the star players. I mean, these are
Speaker 8: as good of combination of especially on the defense side
Speaker 8: of the ball, defensive play callers, as you're going to find
Speaker 8: in the league with Spags and Fangio. So what's so
Speaker 8: unique about Spags, especially when he has this this two
Speaker 8: week head start and not a head start like a
Speaker 8: two week lead in is his ability to be game
Speaker 8: plan specific, to attack you at what you do is
Speaker 8: really what his calling card has been all the way
Speaker 8: back to the Giants. So his ability to game plan
Speaker 8: his ability to say, Okay, what are the ways that
Speaker 8: I can eliminate Saquon Barkley without exposing myself on the
Speaker 8: back end to quick passing game, explosive plays on the
Speaker 8: perimeter to AJ Brown and not let DeVante Smith get
Speaker 8: over the top, Like how do I put all of
Speaker 8: the things that Philadelphia is capable of doing in a bucket,
Speaker 8: organize them and say okay, this is priority one, this
Speaker 8: is priority two, and work his way down the checklist.
Speaker 8: So if I'm Spags, I'm saying, Okay, I don't want
Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts to operate as a passer inside the pocket.
Speaker 8: I want to get him moving laterally. I don't want
Speaker 8: him moving up in the pocket. He's a better I
Speaker 8: think he's a better pocket thrower and a scramble runner
Speaker 8: than he is a scramble thrower. And what I mean
Speaker 8: by that is so often when you play quarterbacks that
Speaker 8: have this skill set, you hear every coach in the
Speaker 8: league say keep him in the pocket. Keep him in
Speaker 8: the pocket, don't let him escape. I think Jalen Hurts
Speaker 8: is one of the unique conversations where like, no, I
Speaker 8: want him to move now. I don't want him running forward.
Speaker 8: I want him running sideways and make him throw on
Speaker 8: the run towards the sideline because in the pocket on time.
Speaker 8: As an effective in rhythm passer, he's really good. He's
Speaker 8: got great weapons, he's got great timing, he's got anticipation,
Speaker 8: he trusts his line, so all of those things play
Speaker 8: into his favor.
Speaker 5: He will kill you.
Speaker 8: As a scramble runner, I think he can. You can
Speaker 8: force him to take sacks, throw the ball away, force
Speaker 8: the ball into some bad windows. As a on the
Speaker 8: move passer in scramble drill, so I would try to
Speaker 8: get interior pressure, off ball pressure inside games, get that
Speaker 8: pocket in his lap and get him moving sideways.
Speaker 5: And now you've got to be able to plaster.
Speaker 8: Now you've got to be able to match up on
Speaker 8: second reaction drill with Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddter and
Speaker 8: aj Brown, which again is a challenge all and of itself.
Speaker 8: But I think Spags is as good of a defensive
Speaker 8: play caller as we've seen in the history of the league.
Speaker 8: He's as good of a game planner, especially in these
Speaker 8: big moments of any defensive play caller we've seen in
Speaker 8: the history of the league. And he's going to have
Speaker 8: something unscouted, something that they haven't seen before that Philly's
Speaker 8: gonna have to identify early in the game and have
Speaker 8: a plan.
Speaker 1: For before we let you go. I want to you
Speaker 1: did this game a couple of years ago. Great call
Speaker 1: on the game. We got to get Greg back on that.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. But what do you think
Speaker 1: is different better maybe about Patrick Mahommes now than then,
Speaker 1: or at least different I.
Speaker 8: Think their offenses played. Their offense wasn't the juggernaut this
Speaker 8: year or really the last couple of years that we've
Speaker 8: seen the early days, right where it was lightning in
Speaker 8: a bottle, It was Tyreek, it was Kelsey, they were flying.
Speaker 8: It was like fireworks all over town. They went through
Speaker 8: a very interesting transition the two year you know, the
Speaker 8: Super Bowl two years ago when they beat Philly. Remember
Speaker 8: the narrative the entire season long was you can't win
Speaker 8: with this young rookie laden defense, and then they won
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl and then last year there's the turnover,
Speaker 8: there's the uncertainty at wide receiver and skill group other
Speaker 8: than Kelsey, who does he have? And the defense really
Speaker 8: carried the load. They became the strength and the identity
Speaker 8: of the team. I think this year it's balanced out
Speaker 8: more than it was in the past. Now, is this
Speaker 8: offense the high scoring thirty mid thirties pointed game they
Speaker 8: were in the Tyreek era years ago. No, but I
Speaker 8: don't think they have to be right like in those
Speaker 8: days because the defense wasn't as strong. They were planned
Speaker 8: to just outscore you from the moment they got the ball.
Speaker 8: They don't feel that pressure anymore. So they have the
Speaker 8: ability to win shootouts. They did two years ago that
Speaker 8: they can win a thirty point game, but they don't
Speaker 8: have to. And I think that's the biggest difference with
Speaker 8: this Chiefs, This iteration of the Chiefs then like the
Speaker 8: not even the last couple of Super Bowls, but like
Speaker 8: the previous era of that, like early in Mahomes' career,
Speaker 8: they just wanted to outscore you and how offense you
Speaker 8: they can, they don't have to, and that's a credit
Speaker 8: to their ability to rebuild this defense through the draft.
Speaker 8: Through free agency, of course, Chris Jones being the constant
Speaker 8: and that defense. It's an understatement, but like more than
Speaker 8: carries their fair shit.
Speaker 4: It seems like since Christmas they've taken a next step offensively, though.
Speaker 3: What has really kind of keyed that?
Speaker 8: In your opinion, good teams with good coaches and good
Speaker 8: quarterbacks and veteran players DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce. Those
Speaker 8: guys have played a lot of football. Yeah, and I
Speaker 8: think the offensive line has settled down. I think he's
Speaker 8: getting better protection than he has over the last stretch.
Speaker 8: And listen, you got the best player. He could go
Speaker 8: down as the best player ever. He's on his way.
Speaker 8: He's not there yet, but he's damn near close. And
Speaker 8: he's got Kelsey, He's got DeAndre Hopkins again later, but
Speaker 8: a veteran late Like good players get better the longer
Speaker 8: it goes. The goal is not to be the best
Speaker 8: team in September and October, and they've proven that. They've
Speaker 8: no one's ever coming out of the first half the season,
Speaker 8: being like the Kansas City Chiefs are a juggernaut. We
Speaker 8: haven't said that for years, yet here we are in
Speaker 8: February and they're the last team stand one of the
Speaker 8: last two teams.
Speaker 1: Stands as I admire your your bracelets. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us what you're doing here with Draft Kings. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like the bracelet game.
Speaker 2: One of them is the football team he coaches by.
Speaker 5: One of them is their football team. One of them
Speaker 5: is TEU.
Speaker 8: We got a whole bunch of stuff going again, a
Speaker 8: pod for another day, But it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 8: I've worked with Draft Kings over the last year or so,
Speaker 8: you know, helped them when they brought sports betting to
Speaker 8: North Carolina.
Speaker 5: Was a part of that launch.
Speaker 8: And again this is the week right where everyone tunes
Speaker 8: into the game for a lot of different reasons. Of course,
Speaker 8: you're a die hard Chiefs fan, you're a die hard
Speaker 8: Philadelphia fan, or you're just a football fan, or you
Speaker 8: want to have a little entertainment value, you want to
Speaker 8: have some skin in the game, you want to have
Speaker 8: a fun prop bet, you want to there's something for
Speaker 8: everyone from the entertained purpose that draws people into the
Speaker 8: biggest spectacle in all of sports. And with DraftKings and
Speaker 8: their partnership and what they allow for their fans and
Speaker 8: their customers to just again connect with the game, even
Speaker 8: a little bit deeper, have a little bit more vested
Speaker 8: rooting interest in the outcome. Even if you don't care
Speaker 8: who necessarily wins, you might care who wins for other right,
Speaker 8: so for the other reasons. So I think that's so
Speaker 8: much fun. No bigger week than super Bowl week. And
Speaker 8: it's been a lot of fun working with them over
Speaker 8: the last couple of last year or so.
Speaker 2: And honestly, it's funny. I know you're describing DraftKings, but
Speaker 2: you also describe yourself.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: You bring people into the game unlike any other and
Speaker 2: in ways that really help people feel connected and like
Speaker 2: they are they do have a vested interest a stake
Speaker 2: in it, because you describe those stakes so well. And
Speaker 2: I'll say it and tell them blue in the face,
Speaker 2: but one of my favorites of all time.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: You're sitting here next to me, and yet I'm suddenly
Speaker 1: transported just hearing that voice and some of the Yeah
Speaker 1: if you're talking about to my couch and playing Madden, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're You're a big part of our lives now.
Speaker 5: You can't. I love that com good combo.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 8: We have a lot of fun with Matt and that's
Speaker 8: that's that's been a lot of fun. Actually, I didn't
Speaker 8: know anything about the process of it all, and it's
Speaker 8: actually a fairly interesting recording process. Just making up stories
Speaker 8: in your head off of an Excel sheet. It's a
Speaker 8: little more challenging early on, it was a little more
Speaker 8: challenging than I thought it would be. I'm getting my
Speaker 8: groove now, but uh, you know you're calling You're calling
Speaker 8: lines of the game off of spreadsheets and game situations
Speaker 8: typed out. There's no video, there's no context, there's no
Speaker 8: who is it. It's like completion third and ten converted,
Speaker 8: first down, outer third of the field, second quarter up
Speaker 8: by ten go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, decades of knowledge.
Speaker 5: I don't know who did it? What was the past?
Speaker 5: Was he open? Was he covered? Did he touch with what?
Speaker 5: I don't know? Like, but uh, it's been a lot
Speaker 5: of fun. I've got my groove with it.
Speaker 1: And uh, ten year old Walker rose Thal he's going
Speaker 1: to announcer preferences and he's clicking that to Rico and
Speaker 1: Olsen button thank you all right, there goes Greg Olsen's man.
Speaker 1: I could have sat there.
Speaker 2: And just kind I know that used to be me.
Speaker 2: I'd stand at his locker and he would just talk
Speaker 2: ball and just teach for forever, and it just oh man.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. We're at the end of
Speaker 1: the day here. He's been here since nine am. He's
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of stuff. Bet I was tempted
Speaker 1: to just push that as far as we can go.
Speaker 1: It's like, can we just do an hour with Greg Olsen?
Speaker 1: Because I just have a feeling like I'm sure his
Speaker 1: handler at some point would have uh stepped in, but
Speaker 1: he seemed like he was enjoying the conversation.
Speaker 3: Maybe I was ready to drill down.
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, they try to build big threes in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Bosh And and Dwayne Wade and Lebron He here's your
Speaker 1: big three right here. Good first day at the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: first time NFL Daily on site. Really excited. Why are
Speaker 1: you laughing?
Speaker 4: I'm just curious now, like like Jordan's laughing over here,
Speaker 4: and I know she's thinking, like, which one's Chris Bosh No, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to think about that. It's a good point.
Speaker 2: Though, anyway, don't write it.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have any takeaways from your.
Speaker 2: First I just I loved it. I thought this was
Speaker 2: so much fun. I like to learn as you guys know,
Speaker 2: and I feel like every guest we had. Getting to
Speaker 2: talk to both Fred and Greg, elite ball knowers on
Speaker 2: a podcast that prides itself on knowing ball, it was
Speaker 2: fun and they genuinely enjoyed being here with us. It
Speaker 2: seemed like otherwise they're really good at faking it, and
Speaker 2: it just was. I just I had the best.
Speaker 1: Time and the time just go so fast.
Speaker 2: We got Greg a square meal. Shout out to iHeart
Speaker 2: because Greg, you know, we have three meals a day,
Speaker 2: and one of my prime goals internally I didn't tell
Speaker 2: you that was make sure Greg because Greg is a
Speaker 2: machine and he'll just work all the way through and
Speaker 2: you got to make sure he eats otherwise he starts
Speaker 2: to look at if I was if I was.
Speaker 1: A little off for that Warner interview, I was not.
Speaker 1: You were great.
Speaker 3: Fuel for the Yeah.
Speaker 2: I Heeart has taken such good care ofcters today.
Speaker 1: It's we got a long week ahead. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: Thursday is a massive show, a lot of really good guests,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned Jaden Daniels, Jordan Love, Ashton Janty Stars,
Speaker 1: Puka Nakua and uh and more, and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: great interviews on Friday as well. I'm glad you guys
Speaker 1: will be next to me, and yes, let's let's wrap
Speaker 1: this thing up. When when we're hearing Greg Olsen's Madden
Speaker 1: voice in our head, except he's like right next to
Speaker 1: me and I just I just want to touch him.
Speaker 1: You know, football is back, y,