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Speaker 1: Daily where we have finally made it to New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here on the beautiful iHeart Studio set

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Speaker 1: at the Convention Center in downtown New Orleans, obviously with

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Speaker 1: NFL Media. The collaboration of a lifetime, and I've got

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Speaker 1: the collab I've always wanted surrounding me right now. On

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Speaker 1: one side it's Jordan rod Rieg of The Athletic. On

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Speaker 1: the other it's Nick Schuok coming in at two hundred

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Speaker 2: Thank you for not doing my way Christian and media.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: We're here, we're here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm glad you guys landed. I've been here since Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you made it safely. I hope you're adjusting

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Speaker 4: to Central time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what. I'm a little nervous about our

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Speaker 2: seating placement right now.

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Speaker 1: Nick.

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Speaker 2: For the listeners, we are in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal hand flying about zone.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're real close.

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Speaker 2: Almost got smacked twice three times, and I might have

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Speaker 2: to smack you back.

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Speaker 1: Greg, I don't tent me with a good time. We

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Speaker 1: are really excited about this show. It's a previous show,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's not just any previous show. And it's

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Speaker 1: really cool. By the way, just like, yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: having you next to me, Jordan. We we've done that

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Speaker 1: a week. Heck, we we flew down here. We got

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Speaker 1: like it was a whole thing. We got we got

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Speaker 1: celebs on the on the plane, we got Roma Duneesay

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Speaker 1: picking up bags. But we never have our our buddy shook. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like it's a long time. It's good.

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Speaker 4: I know, it's fantastic. The last time we did a

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Speaker 4: show in studio is great. Now I'm happy to be

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Speaker 4: here with you. I've been looking forward to this for weeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, like I said, it's not a normal preview show.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a couple of guests to help us

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Speaker 1: along the way. But for the you of the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: we are going only to prime ball Knower. So we

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Speaker 1: are going to throw it to an interview right now

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Speaker 1: with Fred Warner, one of the smartest players in the

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Speaker 1: entire NFL, four time All Pro who has played these

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Speaker 1: two teams, the Eagles and the Chiefs, at the highest

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Speaker 1: of levels, the NFC Championship, the Super Bowl, of course,

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Speaker 1: last year against the Chiefs. After that, we'll come back

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna give our preview and then we'll finish

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Speaker 1: out the show with my favorite color analyst in the

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Speaker 1: entire game, Greg Olsen. Hell yeah, So we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: the meat in some great analysts sandwich. But we are

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Speaker 1: starting the show. You know, Nick, you're not part of

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Speaker 1: this interview, So we'll say goodbye to you for just

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Speaker 1: a second, and we'll say hello to Fred Warner and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back in just a little bit. All right,

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Speaker 1: we are here with one of our favorite I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna say it players in the entire NFL. We went

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Speaker 1: there Fred, four time All Pro linebacker Fred Warner, who's

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Speaker 1: here on behalf of experience which can help you improve

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Speaker 1: your financial help and keep money in your pockets. And

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Speaker 1: yet it's I think it's because like you can see

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Speaker 1: the ball knowing right, Jordan, when you're watching Fred.

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Speaker 2: We have to tell you NFL daily we go into

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Speaker 2: the weeds on x's and o's all the time, and

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Speaker 2: we cannot wait to talk to you because you are

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Speaker 2: to us the elite ball knower in the NFL. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna do something a little bit different

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Speaker 2: with you today, and I know you're ready because you're

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Speaker 2: ready for corner. Yes, so we want to break down

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Speaker 2: this game with you. We're trusting you with.

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Speaker 1: Our our.

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Speaker 5: Kicking a couple of things some football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, so we've so we've seen. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: we've seen. So we're just excited to dig into this matchup.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it seems like faded at this point

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Speaker 2: And I guess when you look at one key matchup

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the matchup I'm looking at obviously Saekwon

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Speaker 6: The Kansas City's defense, I think has been the thing

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Speaker 6: you know people, right, Like, they all have done an

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Speaker 6: how do they stop Saquon because everybody's been wanting to

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Speaker 5: I want to see what that looks like.

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Speaker 2: And you and your role, you have to think about

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley is one of the hardest players to stop

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Speaker 6: Well, the beautiful thing about it is you're not out

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Speaker 5: You cannot allow him to have that space.

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Speaker 6: If he does have space, then he's able to create,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I played the Eagles a couple of times,

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Speaker 5: Guess what.

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Speaker 6: A J. Brown is running a slant right behind your

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Speaker 6: just being told to stop squon. It's like, no, they

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Speaker 6: So at the end of the day, you got to

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Speaker 6: is it Saquon. That's another level of it where you

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Speaker 6: got to read the zone read. If you're a defensive

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Speaker 6: you being told to take the dive, Saquon? Are you

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Speaker 6: being told to take the quarterback with with Jalen? All

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Speaker 6: these little things are so monotonous, but there every detail matters, and.

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Speaker 1: Just keep the ball.

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Speaker 6: If I'm a coordinator, I'm like, hey, tackle the dive,

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Speaker 2: And I love how you describe that, like, of course

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Speaker 2: I did, because you're Fred Warner. But the way that

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Speaker 2: you have to give a play patience on your side.

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Speaker 2: You hear it all the time when people talk about

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder when you're flipping it around and

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Speaker 2: of motion and all kinds of wrinkles and little cheap

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Speaker 2: a lot in practice, yeah, and little orbits and things

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Speaker 2: where you're keeping track of all of these different orchestrations

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Speaker 2: pre snap. How do you give those plays patients? How

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Speaker 2: do you trust what you see there? What do you

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Speaker 5: It's so tough. I mean, I hate to say it.

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Speaker 6: I have yet to defeat them, you know, and solve

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Speaker 6: that puzzle, right, I mean, I tried my best, and

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Speaker 6: we've had some game plans where they've been more effective

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Speaker 5: The thing about Kansas City offense is they're unorthodox. You know.

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Speaker 5: You prepare every week where.

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Speaker 6: It's like, all right, this team runs this system, they

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Speaker 6: and that's exactly what we need to stop. And then

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Speaker 6: you go against Kansas City, it's like, wait, they run

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Speaker 5: What he runs?

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Speaker 1: Like how?

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Speaker 6: And it's like and then you get in the game

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Speaker 6: and it's like you might have been prepared for some

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Speaker 6: all week, and it's like it's so much different when

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Speaker 6: you're in the moment you're trying to play against the

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Speaker 6: players like at Travis Kelcey, lack of Patrick Mahomes with

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Speaker 6: there's so many levels to it, and at the end

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Speaker 6: of the day, everybody got to do their one eleven

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Speaker 6: and you know, and hope for the past.

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Speaker 2: We like to talk a lot on this show about

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Speaker 2: how Andy Reid and the Chiefs, particularly with his screen game,

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Speaker 2: which it's a legendary playbook. It's like six hundred pages long.

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Speaker 2: It just screens right. Yes, I know Kyle's is similar

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Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of plays, but Andy Reid,

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Speaker 2: I mean, my goodness, and so the the the ways

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Speaker 2: he sets things up, the ways he layers things in

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Speaker 2: the first quarter and then builds off of it in

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Speaker 2: a totally different way based on your first reaction in

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Speaker 2: the third quarter? What have you seen from that offense?

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Speaker 2: And I guess what is it? Even as elite as

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Speaker 2: what does it still teach you after all this time?

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Speaker 6: It humbles you every time because it truly is a

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Speaker 6: game of chess, you know, And that's exactly what Andy's doing.

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Speaker 1: As a as a forty nine er. I mean, who's

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Speaker 1: People are sick of y'all too.

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Speaker 1: In the last six years, four of the Super Bowls

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, experience is amazing. They're all about saving time

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Speaker 1: He's taking a step back. He sees the whole field.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and on the field, Bred Warner, Yeah, four

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Speaker 1: That was s Fred Warner. Of course, handsome man, very gregarious.

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Speaker 2: He is such a great break he just would He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really cool to sit next to someone

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Speaker 4: I'm just most excited for what probably everybody is who

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Speaker 2: two now have, and these are just the teams of

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Speaker 2: who has the most dudes super Bowl? This is this

438
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,600
Speaker 2: is the dude Bowl. Really, dude, this is the Dude Bowl, Like,

439
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 2: and I think the Eagles have the edge here. Frankly,

440
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 2: we'll get we'll get into it. But it's like, at

441
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 2: every position, a dude, right, I mean, someone who you

442
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,719
Speaker 2: would love if you're a fan of any team, at

443
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 2: almost every position, you would love to have that player

444
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,119
Speaker 2: on your team. And I love that we're going to

445
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 2: see these teams collide in this way, and I love

446
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: that they have these unique storylines that are very unique

447
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,439
Speaker 2: to them, the Chiefs being this dynastic super force that

448
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 2: now people are starting to turn on a little bit

449
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,120
Speaker 2: as that super villain. And then and then the Eagles,

450
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: who I personally love because they are so gd messy.

451
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 2: I love how messy they've been. They've just lived with

452
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: their hearts on their sleeves all season and they've solved

453
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 2: their own problems that they have also created. And I

454
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 2: just I love watching these two teams kind of reach

455
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: their peak powers at the right time and collide on seite.

456
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Speaker 3: I have to ask, are you into trash TV? Do

457
00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 3: you watch reality?

458
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Speaker 2: I'm not, But that's why I think I get a

459
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: fix out of this because I don't watch reality TV

460
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: other than Quarterback Island, plug but which you need to

461
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 2: be on. By the way, it would be great Quarterback Island.

462
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: But I just I love it because they really they

463
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: do not care. They're showing you exactly. The Eagles will

464
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 2: show you exactly what their problems are, a lot of

465
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: them of their own creation.

466
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Speaker 1: Nick can be our bouncer, by the way, on Quarterback Island.

467
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Speaker 3: True, I will throw them out metaphorically speaking metaphor.

468
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Speaker 1: How messy will it be if Nick Sirianni actually wins

469
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? You thought he was bad before. That

470
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: guy is not going to shut up. You know how

471
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: the Rams party so much after that Super Bowl? What

472
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 1: is a Nick Sirianni party, and then I need.

473
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Speaker 2: To see I need to see that dude on top

474
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Speaker 2: of a bus.

475
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Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it, but Nick Sirianni

476
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Speaker 1: losing the second not a second super Bowl in a row,

477
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: but in three years here.

478
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: Uh, it's like the you know, the Jane Lynch, the

479
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: Jane Lynch meme. I'm going to create a situation so toxic,

480
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: that's really what it is. It's like, it's seriously like

481
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait. And Andy Reid on the other hand,

482
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: so calm, so stoic. But it works for both of

483
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Speaker 2: these behemoths that we're about to see it.

484
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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny though, to think of the Chiefs

485
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: says like, oh, they're the less talented team, Like they're

486
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: it's they have a first ballot Hall of Fame tight end,

487
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest tight end ever still take Gronk, but

488
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: there's plenty of arguments to be made there. They have

489
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Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time. They've got a first

490
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: team All Pro cornerback. They've got one of the greatest

491
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: defensive tackles of all time. If, like George call Office

492
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: gets the free agency, you'd probably make about twenty five

493
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: to thirty million dollars, You're.

494
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Speaker 7: Like, and yet the Eagles are deeper, Sure they are.

495
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 7: They are more wild, but it's wid The Chiefs areted

496
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 7: extremely constant. Thing I'm most excited about just basic, you know,

497
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 7: as a true ball nowhere I got really down and dirty.

498
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Speaker 7: It's just it's just the matchup in the trenches. I

499
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 7: think it's because in the playoffs I have more time

500
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 7: to watch the All twenty two when during the season

501
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 7: I'm trying to watch every game that I can and

502
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 7: like power through those can ends most of the time.

503
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: And seeing these two four man pass rushers in past

504
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: rushes and thinking about that matchup and how man how

505
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: much Nolan Smith has improved in Milton Williams and Jalen

506
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: Carter next to them, how much they've improved as well,

507
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat who's just as consistent as it gets, and

508
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: Jylex Hunt even is adding a little pop and great

509
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, who finished it out the last time, is

510
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: probably in that game. And so that could be a

511
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: great matchup against the Chiefs offensive line, which played really

512
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: well in the AFC Championship. And then on the flip side,

513
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: I do think people are sleeping a little bit on

514
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Speaker 1: the four man rush that the Chiefs have Now they

515
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Speaker 1: and this is a theme I have throughout this preview.

516
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: They are not the same team as they were the

517
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Speaker 1: first eleven twelve weeks of the season. First of all,

518
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Speaker 1: Carl Loftis says that there is such a thing as playoff.

519
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Carl Loftis, Mike like Mike Dana wasn't always the most consistent,

520
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: maybe isn't there like, but has played really well in playoffs.

521
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Like that is a good for me. In pastors Omana

522
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: who wasn't there all season and adds a lot to

523
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Speaker 1: that group. And then Chris Jones is like beating really

524
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: good tackles on the edge and thinking about that matchup

525
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: against the best offensive line in the league.

526
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Speaker 2: So just yeah, I love it. I do believe you

527
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: had a camp yesterday in the wee hours of whatever

528
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: time it was. We finally got got to New Orleans.

529
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Speaker 2: You're the Jalen Carter of NFL daily. I got to

530
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Speaker 2: be the Milton, the Milton Williams. Nice.

531
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Speaker 1: That was nice.

532
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Speaker 3: I thought that was more name recognition than Milton.

533
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Speaker 5: He's played well.

534
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Speaker 2: I love I love history.

535
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Speaker 1: We're at the portion of NFL daily in our relationship,

536
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Speaker 1: where now she's just lying. She was the Jalen Carter

537
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: for the bit. She was the Jalen Carter and she

538
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: had you as the Milton Bruins.

539
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Speaker 3: All right, no, no, no, no.

540
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: Don't do that, ruined, don't don't do that.

541
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Speaker 5: Don't divide us here.

542
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Speaker 2: I will tell you Carlton, but seven seventeen pressures, three

543
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: sacks and the postseason alone. I mean, it's funny. I

544
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: mentioned him on the show, you know, a couple of

545
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and like I got like Twitter mentions or

546
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: Blue Sky mentions about thanks for mentioning carl Loftus because

547
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: he's sort of like a cult favorite in that in

548
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: that fan base, and you can see why it really

549
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: turns it on the postseason. I'm excited to see this.

550
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: I think this is best on best in so many ways,

551
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: and the way that those four man rushes, like you said,

552
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: can just really execute. Both of these defensive coordinators can

553
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: do dastardly things.

554
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the next question. Which coordinator. Now

555
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: you wrote it up. We have a nice little document

556
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: we all we all shared, we collaborated, we came up

557
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: with topics, and Jordan's was which coordinator will be the

558
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: biggest factory? And I'm like, where's the juice when you

559
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: mentioned that initially You're like, which coordinator is gonna, like

560
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: gonna be the bigger creep? What was it? Who's going

561
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: to be a bad guy?

562
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: I forget Oh, I said, which coordinator is going to

563
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: be the biggest bastard on Sunday?

564
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like sell it.

565
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: That's because these guys are gonna be so mean to

566
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: each other. And I love it. It's gonna be awesome,

567
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: And I just I love how this vic Fangio defense

568
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: has accelerated what normally would take a couple of years. Traditionally,

569
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: his system has taken a little bit of time to

570
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: really not just be implemented, but like to have the

571
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: right players and then to have everybody buy in. It's

572
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: a lot of tendency studying, it's a lot of you know,

573
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: pattern matching. It's a lot of these things that are complicated,

574
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: and it also is predicated on having good players who

575
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: can rush for upfront and then mixing different things that

576
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: he likes to do out of those zone coverages and

577
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: get a little sticky in those zone coverages on the

578
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: back end, and having really good inside linebackers helps with

579
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: this as well. Having Cooper dejen you can stay in

580
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: your preferred nickel package the entire game. And I just

581
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: think that not only is this the one of the

582
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Speaker 2: best defenses we've seen all year and really manifested that

583
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: way over time. It drew some concern early in the season,

584
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: and I remember saying on NFL Daily that's just a

585
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: big Fangio defense. You're going to wonder what they're doing

586
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: early on, and once it clicks, you can really really

587
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: see the vision. And I think that where one of

588
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: the things I'm most excited about to the first question

589
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: is how well the Chief's offense and Andy Reid. I'm

590
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: going to count him in with the coordinators. He's not

591
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: a coordinator obviously, but he's going to be calling the

592
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: game against.

593
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: Vic Fanas Well.

594
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Matt Maggie and Vic Fangio have their own history, which

595
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: is fascinating. They work together in Chicago. They went against

596
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: each other all the time, and Matt Naggey knows what

597
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: Vic Fangio is capable of. But this Andy Reid offense

598
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: and the way that the Chiefs have been so comfortable

599
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: just picking away at different parts of the field, picking

600
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: at the seams a little bit, getting the screen game

601
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: going and really like biding their time and setting up

602
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: the longer downfield passing game that we've seen in recent weeks.

603
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: It's a perfect way to play this Vic Fangio defense.

604
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating that juxtaposition between what Vic

605
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: is going to do and what he's going to try

606
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: to deploy with all of these talented players who've really emerged,

607
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: and then what Matt nag But we have to talk

608
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: about spags.

609
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: But I want to know what is your answer you

610
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: asked the question.

611
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I am like the biggest Vic Fangio fangirls felt.

612
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a really good point on the screens too.

613
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: If it's hard to find a bad number for the

614
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: Eagles defense in general, I think at this point we

615
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: can safely at least I feel comfortable. I don't want

616
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: to speak for you guys, but they are the best

617
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: defense in the league. Yeah they are seven, Yeah, the

618
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: most talented, the results, all of it. But the one

619
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: weakness is that they can kind of find in the

620
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: numbers the next thing except they're not a good screen defense,

621
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: and that really plays exactly Chiefs. What is your answer

622
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: in terms of who's a bastard.

623
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Speaker 2: Well, we say that lovingly. Also, I want to point them, Yeah,

624
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: it's the thing.

625
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: You can say it lovingly, but it could also be

626
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 4: interpreted negatively depending on the outcome. And this is where

627
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: I get nervous with Kellen Moore. You've got a lot

628
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: of head coaching heat.

629
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Speaker 1: With the Saints.

630
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Speaker 4: We're in New Orleans and everything else, right, but if

631
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: there's one weakness in this matchup, it's him. I don't

632
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: trust him as much as I trust all the other

633
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: coordinators involved.

634
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.

635
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: Yes, even Naggie. And because Naggie is he's insulated by Reid.

636
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: Yes, also results has experience.

637
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: He rose to head coach because of what he'd done before.

638
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: Right more, I don't care about whether he's not been

639
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 4: a head coach before. I care about what he did

640
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: in recent weeks, which is putting his quarterback, who was

641
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: hobbled in a divisional round game, into deep drops in

642
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: his own end zone with pressure bearing down on him

643
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 4: in a tight game. It's Situationally, I've had issues with

644
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: them all year, and a lot of the blame has

645
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 4: shifted to Jalen Hurts holding onto the ball too long,

646
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: which is somewhat valid at times, but I think that

647
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: he hasn't quite put them in the best spots all

648
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: the time, which is hard to do.

649
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: Nobody's perfect.

650
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: But in a matchup like this, where it's best on

651
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: best and the margin can be so slim, that's the

652
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: last guy I want to trust out of those coordinators.

653
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: So that's where it comes in as a negative thing.

654
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Speaker 4: They are also if you look at them a year

655
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: over year, and I know they fell apart down the

656
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: stretch last year, but I did like just some digging

657
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: into where were they last year versus this year, prepping

658
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: for what might await more after this game. They finished

659
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: eighth in offense last year. They finished eighth and offense

660
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: in total yards again this year, but vastly different appearance.

661
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: They were second in rushing obviously with Saquon twenty ninth

662
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: in passing, which kind of leads to where we'll go

663
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: later in this game. In this preview regarding this game,

664
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: I just don't I don't trust him.

665
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Even those numbers are flattering to them because they're given

666
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: better advantages because of their defense. In terms of like

667
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: dv AWA and yeah, total efficiency, they've been pretty similar

668
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: the last two years overall, You're right and in totally

669
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: different how they got there, But they're not even like

670
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: a top ten offense, which is crazy when you have

671
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. And it's why the answer is clearly Spags

672
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: because he's the biggest bastard in maybe the history of

673
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: football in terms of defensive coordinator. At this point, you

674
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: gotta give him the love. Belichick would be there if

675
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: you counted him as like a play caller, and there's

676
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: been other ones, but I'm talking about what I know

677
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: best over the last twenty five years. They're the two.

678
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: They're the two on defense that would be at the

679
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: very top. And to me, the number one question in

680
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: this game is what you just said, Can Spagnolo make

681
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Jalen hold the ball?

682
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: That?

683
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: To me?

684
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Is it?

685
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I honestly think that like that's going to be the test.

686
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: You might be able to tell it early. When he's

687
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball quickly, everything can work, and

688
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: when he's holding onto the ball, good things are just

689
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So with what he is showing, can

690
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: he make them hold onto the ball? And then when

691
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: he does hit on those blitzes because he will he

692
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: always does. Is it a catastrophic play for Jalen Hurts

693
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: or is it just a bad play? Is it a throwaway?

694
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Is it a three yard sack? Like you can live

695
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: with that? You can't live with the turnovers, the fumbles,

696
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: the negative fourteen yard sacks that Hurts will take. So

697
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: to me, it's Hurts And it's so funny because it's

698
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: it's these storylines that have been traveling with him for

699
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: years since Todd Bowles did it to him how to

700
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: see handle the blitz? So it's can he get rid

701
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: of the ball? And when Spags does confuse their offensive line,

702
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: which you will at some point, how does Hurts handle that?

703
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: This offensive line. By the way, these tackles have like

704
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: the second and fifth best protection against pressure rate in

705
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: the NFL right now at their respective position. And still

706
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: despite that, and and part of this nick is about

707
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore too. I refuse to say that this is

708
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: all about Jalen Hurts. But when he does hold onto

709
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: the ball, his pressure rate skyrockets to forty and a

710
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: half percent, despite the protection that he gets from those

711
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: two bookends on the outside. And he even takes a

712
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: long time to get the ball out against the blitz,

713
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: which also is a schematic thing two point eighty five

714
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: seconds on average per next gen, fifth longest in the NFL,

715
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: and has the second highest sack rate against the Blitz

716
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: in the NFL this season. And you have Saque mf

717
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: and Barkley, who is also a good pass catching outlet

718
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 2: back who is also a good pass pro back. I'm

719
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: gonna get to that later in the preview. But part

720
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: of this is just infuriating design as well, in my opinion,

721
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: and that's what I think SPAGS is gonna watch some

722
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: of the ways that teams, and particularly Rams a couple

723
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, played Kellen Moore and almost forced Kellen

724
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Moore to play into his worst habits and his worst tendencies,

725
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: and in turn, Jalen Hurts to play into his worst

726
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: habits and his worst tendencies, and he got teed off on.

727
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: And I do believe Steve Spagnolo is a huge factor.

728
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he's like, you know, it's spending his nights putting

729
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: together his Saints staff. Here, I don't know.

730
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: This is know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's not good.

731
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: It's not setting up good for him. That doesn't mean

732
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: that I don't think that the Eagles can win. It's

733
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: just that that is the situation which he's gonna have

734
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: his work cut off for.

735
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: It's not quite Parcels making calls from I believe it

736
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: was in New Orleans.

737
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: Putting his house in the market in New Orleans.

738
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: From his hotel room, putting together his his staff. And

739
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: there was only there was only like one week in

740
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: between at that point, between the Packers and the Patriots

741
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he's not paying attention at all. In

742
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Belichick's getting all mad because Parcels isn't paying attention before

743
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Patriots Packers. That was a long time ago. Let's move

744
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: on to what matters more experience or youth. We're way

745
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: behind pace here really quick.

746
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: Though. I want to say Jalen Hurts was great against

747
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Baggs and the Blitzes in the last time these two

748
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: teams played in the.

749
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Champions It's a great it's a great point.

750
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: That thanks glad we got to it that like here.

751
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: He did handle it perfectly. Yeah, last time around, he

752
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: could not have played better. And I think he needs

753
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: to do what he did there, which was be aggressive,

754
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's gonna have to

755
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: throw those go balls on like third and two when

756
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: they blitz and just trust trust himself.

757
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: Brown for that.

758
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: So that's good. What matters more here in this in

759
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, youth or experience?

760
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: Nick, It is youth.

761
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: It is youth because the Chiefs have paved their path

762
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: here by being the most annoying team to play against.

763
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: When they're on offense.

764
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: Third and five, Patrick Mahomes rolls out, everything's breaking down,

765
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: all hell is breaking loose, and yet he finds somebody

766
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 4: be on the line to gain or he's already five

767
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: yards past the line of scrimmage and they're still biting

768
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: on the pump fake and they're gate picking up first downs.

769
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: How do you eliminate that? You eliminate that with a

770
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: bunch of young dogs who are athletic and can cover

771
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: a lot of field and who are coached really well.

772
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: And that is who these Eagles are.

773
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: I know that there's more experience on the side of

774
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, but the Eagles athletes, I think tip the

775
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: scales in their favor. They're also one of only two

776
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: teams in the Super Bowl era to have the NFL's

777
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: rushing leader and the number one total defense in the NFL.

778
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: I just want to think about that for a second.

779
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: The last team though did that was the Cowboys with

780
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: them at Smith. We know what happened with them. They

781
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 4: won Super Bowls. They played the K gun offense, they dominated.

782
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: I have a feeling that if there's one antidote to

783
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: this Chiefs offense this year, and America can all get

784
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 4: on board with this because you all hate the Chiefs,

785
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: it is where whatever shade of green they wear, now

786
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: hopefully they go back to Kelly and the people with

787
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: the wings on their helmets.

788
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: It's Philadelphia, you okay, so you go youth.

789
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: It's funny because, yeah, the Chiefs has more starters returning

790
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: from this game fifteen to twelve, but they have a

791
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: lot of young players too. When I think of vulnerabilities

792
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs, it's people that nobody talks about. Jayden Hicks,

793
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: Brian Cook. I think about half their second maybe Jalen Watson,

794
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: maybe Chamar Economar who's healthy and like, these names never

795
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: come up, but those are guys that if Kellen Moore

796
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts and those receivers do their jobs, they

797
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: should have mismatches with. So so there are two teams

798
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: that have a nice mix of youth and experience. But

799
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: it's the Eagles that are definitely a little younger.

800
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was conflicted on this. It was a

801
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: great question because I just I can't shake this feeling

802
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: in my head that the Chiefs are The Chiefs are

803
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: like this monolith. They're like Pangaea breaking apart, like they

804
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: are inevitable right like it is. So it's so hard

805
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: to stop them when you feel that sense of dread.

806
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: If they start playing stuff a ball, if a couple

807
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 2: of marginal things swing their way, you just can't shake

808
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: that feeling that they just know how to do this

809
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: and they've just been here before. At the same time,

810
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: that youth, that energy. It's the reason why this sprint

811
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: rebuild that Howie Roseman did is so successful so fast,

812
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: is because they identified the correct talent and they are

813
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: maximizing that young talent at every single position, which supplements

814
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: and even equals that in places they're core stars and

815
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: some of the veterans that they had on the roster.

816
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: They swarm, and I think that's where you see the youth.

817
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: I do think they're a little bit faster overall, but

818
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: these are two pretty physical teams in a league that's

819
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: getting a little lighter. They're two of the bigger teams.

820
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm going to kick off the next one,

821
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: which is if a player is at his best, who

822
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: moves the needle in this scheme? And I want to

823
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: talk about Xavier Worthy's development. They are using him and

824
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: he is performing like a true number one receiver and

825
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't that mold because he's, you know, one hundred

826
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: and sixty five pounds, and you think about him that

827
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: he's not totally complete, and that's that's fine. They haven't.

828
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Sammy Watkins had one of the greatest postseasons

829
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: of all time on this team. He wasn't a complete receiver,

830
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: but for that postseason, he was a number one receiver

831
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: and he helped them win a freaking super Bowl. And

832
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy is that guy. But more I think the

833
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: subtleties that they focused in on, and I think it's

834
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot about Marquise Brown showing up and starting to

835
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: do some of the other Xavier Worthy things, where he's

836
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: got about three different types of routes that he can do,

837
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: and his footwork is so excellent and he is so

838
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: fast and he can win against any type of coverage,

839
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: and the offense is really built around him in a way,

840
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: I think over the last five weeks, especially the playoffs,

841
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: that it wasn't earlier in the season that he really

842
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: is that good. I don't think there's a good matchup.

843
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: Of course, the Eagles have a great secondary, but it's

844
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: not like I'm trusting any one of those guys in

845
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: a one on one situation. And they're a great team

846
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: in terms of their pattern match and passing off guys

847
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: and maybe that's how you do it. But if you

848
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: told me that he goes nine for one sixty five,

849
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: oh like something crazy like that, I actually think he

850
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: is capable and he he is the guy playing at

851
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: a level that I don't think the rest of the

852
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: country is totally caught up to where he is now

853
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: because he's so different than where he was in the

854
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: first twelve weeks.

855
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's also about the interconnectivity between what he can

856
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: do as running you know, pretty much a full tree

857
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: at this point, which he did in college, right, I mean,

858
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: I know you watched a lot of them in college. Nick,

859
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: he did that in college. So it's now it was

860
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: almost like getting like one toe after the other into

861
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: the water, like with him with Andy Reid and trusting

862
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: as Andy Reid likes to sort of test his receivers

863
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: and his skill players how much can I trust you

864
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: and how much can I stack onto your plate? You're

865
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: really seeing it. And when he is in compliment with

866
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown, the Chiefs over the last four games have

867
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: increased their scoring average by five points per game because

868
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: the interconnectedness of the two, it builds more dimension into

869
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: this passing game that was all like screens and traveling.

870
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: They were, they were the slow. They were somehow the

871
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: number one seed as the slowest team in the NFL.

872
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: And now when you watch them, like there are some

873
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: routes where the two of them fly off the ball

874
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: and then they do comebacks because every everyone is like,

875
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, these guys are actually fast, and it's

876
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: just like you didn't see that. There wasn't that element

877
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs offensive literally wasn't there.

878
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 8: Yeah.

879
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: I think I think Hollywood Brown is like one of

880
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: the biggest X factors in this game. Good or bad.

881
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it's going to go, but he

882
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: makes them so much faster. Give me your give me

883
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: your player who moves the needle.

884
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: Well, I think on that point it was a lack

885
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: of verticality and they can now get vertical. It's an

886
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: overall improven on all parts. My player, if he's at

887
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: his best, why does he move the needle? Going back

888
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: to the defensive side, Zach Bond, because of the point

889
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: I kind of just made the last one, which was

890
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: it's the stuff over the middle, Because if you are

891
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: spending time taking away suddenly an offense that can get

892
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: vertical outside, who is the one guy that's going to

893
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: be able to stop what the Chiefs do best, which

894
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: is fine sawt spots over the middle. Zach Bond the

895
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 4: number one graded coverage linebacker in the NFL this season

896
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: according to PFF. I feel like a lot of teams

897
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: they've played have missed that X factor you go down

898
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: the path that they just followed, you know, playing Buffalo,

899
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: playing Baltimore, you could say Rocwon was that guy. But

900
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: it just seems like if I have to find one

901
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: player on this defense against them, and I feel like

902
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: I'm skewing heavy anti Chiefs and I'm not intentionally, but it.

903
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Just feels like Zach Bond, Nah, don't do that.

904
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: Don't do that.

905
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Zach Bond, He's gonna be the guy that's gonna

906
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: be able to not only match up with Travis Kelce,

907
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 4: but also take away enough of that area.

908
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 3: But it's really still a collective effort on the defensive

909
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: side for that.

910
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Eagles are one of the best linebacking teams

911
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: and defending the middle of the field, especially in coverage.

912
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: In the NFL, Travis Kelce has more yards in the

913
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: middle of the field and against linebackers on passing plays

914
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: since since twenty eighteen, he has like the highest EPA

915
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: of any players just where he lives. Insane. Yeah, but

916
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: like that is Zach Bond, NFL Daily, first Tea pro.

917
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: There you go. By the way, I didn't have the

918
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: heart to tell Fred Warner that he was on our

919
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: second team, but I was like, but it.

920
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: Had an incomplete because the injury. Yeah, yeah, we love

921
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: you Fred, one of the players of NFL Daily. Yeah.

922
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a great point because that

923
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: is an X factor between Zach Bond and Cooper Dejean

924
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: and some of the rotations that they get into and

925
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: being able to trust the guys on the outside and

926
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: trust the safeties. That is going to make defending the

927
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: middle of the field so hard. And that's where the

928
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: Chiefs have liked to live and breathe through most of

929
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: the season before your guys emerged. I can't believe none

930
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: of you brought up the most obvious one outside of

931
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes. It's just Saquon Barkley. You know that, that

932
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: obvious Yeah, I'll be I'll be that guy, Okay, But

933
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, you you hold your breath every time he

934
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: gets the ball, right, because if he it's not like

935
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: if he's going to break off the big run, the

936
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: explosive run, not just twenty plus yards run, but like

937
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: the fifty plus yards run, it's a matter of win.

938
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: And you just feel the state like a couple of

939
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: games of his in person, and like you just feel

940
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: the entire stadium hold their breath every single time. And

941
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: I just think that it's just going to be an

942
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: absolute X factor if Saquon Barkley A does Saquon Barkley things,

943
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: which is play really well in the first half, but

944
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: then increase in his yards per carry and his effectiveness

945
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: and overall success rate through the second half of games,

946
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: which he's done all season, and if he has twenty

947
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: or more carries in a game. He has always every

948
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: single game this season gone over one hundred rushing yards

949
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: and that is an absolute factor when you also count

950
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: this offensive line and you also count some of the

951
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: things that you need to do to a stay in

952
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: your A plus game plan and take the teeth out

953
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: of that bastard's blitz.

954
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean we said that word a lot.

955
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: I hope that's okay, bastard.

956
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I think it's allowed. I am.

957
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: We mean it lovingly.

958
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Want I want to go to what you think we

959
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: might be overlooking here because talking Saquon there, he's not

960
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: just you know, a runner, uh, He's a pass protector.

961
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: This is the thing that I've geeked out on so

962
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: much over this season. And by the way, it will

963
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: be hard for him to run against the Chiefs defense.

964
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: They have the lowest mistackle rate in the league this season,

965
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: and those linebackers are very good on the Chiefs defense too.

966
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: So what I really really liked about what I watched

967
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: all season with Saquon Barkley is how he effectively navigates

968
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: his responsibilities in pass protection. It was so interesting the

969
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: way that the Commanders tried to attack using Frankie Louvu

970
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: as a blitzer pretty much anytime Saquon was off the

971
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: field on a passing down or anytime he was split

972
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: out from the stack and into the flats as like

973
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: an outlet for a blitz play, they would attack. You know,

974
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: they would try to get to Jalen Hurts that way

975
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: because they did not have Saquon in pass pro. And

976
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: then they also that quarterback lead draw that they ran.

977
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: They also like faked that Saquon was going to just

978
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: be in pass pro and instead he just like leaked

979
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: up the gaps as a lead blocker. So the Eagles

980
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: are very aware of his gifts and his talents here,

981
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: and I think that's another thing that could be a

982
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: game changer against Steve Spagnola in all of his ability

983
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: that we know he can do. But Steve Spagnola is

984
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: gonna have seen that on tape, and he's gonna he's

985
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: gonna look at those tendencies. He's gonna have seen some

986
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: of those things that even through the course of the game,

987
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: what dan Quinn was doing in order to try to

988
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: torment Jalen Hurts a little bit with that pressure, which

989
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: you know, Eagles broke that game wide open, But there

990
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: are a couple of times there where you thought, man,

991
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: that's a good plan against the Eagles offense sneaky.

992
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Big factor could be Kenny Gainwell. He's made himself some

993
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: money this year. Yeah, I think he's a nice How great?

994
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: How great of our name for a running back is

995
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: gain Well.

996
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Either way, it's the perfect I never even thought about it.

997
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: And you lose a lot when field, But I think

998
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: too Kenny Gainwell can make big plays. I think the

999
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: Chiefs might be a little vulnerable on the run.

1000
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Do you like that we're air fiving over your head?

1001
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 2: Does that make you feel good?

1002
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: Is very uncomfortable. So it's like very very easy.

1003
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: Greg, I swear to God three times you almost hit me,

1004
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: and I swear to God.

1005
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: I swear to God. Number four.

1006
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Who's the player or element we're overlooking Nick Bolton?

1007
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: And it sounds a lot like what I just said

1008
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: about Zac Bond, except Nick Bolton. The grades don't shine

1009
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 4: well on him, right. I think he's overlooked. He's never

1010
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: garnered a postseason an accolade that he may have deserved

1011
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 4: over the course of his career.

1012
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: But he makes.

1013
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Grades, especially the coverage ones, not like they're not a

1014
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: piece to the puzzle.

1015
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: Just saying I know nothing and I don't judge my

1016
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: analysis on it. But I just know that if you're

1017
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: looking to justify my analysis, he makes big plays. He

1018
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: he just has a knack for coming through in the

1019
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: biggest spots. I think back to what Week three against

1020
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: Atlanta where he just shut down the Falcons rushing attempt

1021
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: on fourth down to win that game. It was early,

1022
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: it was on the road, but it felt like a

1023
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: tone setter and a reminder of this guy who was

1024
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 4: playing through a back issue at the time.

1025
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: He's not going anywhere. He's got experience.

1026
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: He made a big play in this Super Bowl two

1027
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: years ago when they played in Phoenix with that return

1028
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: of that fumble, which kind of swung the game in

1029
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 4: their favor. At that point, the Eagles had a lot

1030
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: of the momentum. I just feel like he's gonna come

1031
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 4: through in a big spot this time around. It's going

1032
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: to be again kind of like what the Eagles is

1033
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 4: going to be a collective effort. It always is. But

1034
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: if there's one guy who I think people are not

1035
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: paying attention to on this team, I mean, we could

1036
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: talk about Carloft is obviously going people are gonna pay

1037
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: attention to.

1038
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 5: Chris Jones.

1039
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: Don't forget about Nick.

1040
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Bole Now that linebacker crew is coming so cool.

1041
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: The other on in this entire.

1042
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: Run, dang good linebacker crew.

1043
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: Like Drew Tranquil channel in Bolton. It's always rotating. There's

1044
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: no more Willy Gay there. But like every year we

1045
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: get to this point in the season, they always like

1046
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: it used to be a thing that it was always

1047
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: a weakness for them year after year after year, even

1048
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: after Spegnola got there. And then they figured it out

1049
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: about three or four years ago with with this crew,

1050
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: and they've only gotten better and it makes them so

1051
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: multiple As part of the reason, uh, my element people

1052
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: are overlooking is just like this Chiefs team is so

1053
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: much better than they were eight weeks ago, yes, ago,

1054
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think they're worse than they

1055
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: were two years ago. I think they're better than they

1056
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: were at this point last year. Yes, think about what's changed.

1057
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: For like, when you think about the AFC, was like, oh,

1058
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: the Chief's gonna get lucky and get through. And then

1059
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you actually watch how the Bills played over the last

1060
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: month and watch how you know the Ravens played in

1061
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: that game certainly and some of the ups and the downs,

1062
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: and then you watch it. What's different about this Chiefs team.

1063
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: Number one, I mentioned the speed with the receivers, they're

1064
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: just a different offense. Number two that time off Hunt

1065
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: and Mahomes in particular on offense, they look like different

1066
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: players just in terms of their agility, so they're different.

1067
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: Number three health I mentioned Amana who I mentioned on

1068
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: the back end, it's some of it's some of their

1069
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: rotational players. In terms of Samari Connor being back there,

1070
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: it's Jalen Watson, who who's a huge upgrade from Nas

1071
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: Johnson like that, that's a huge upgrade. It's not something

1072
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: that you're really thinking about exactly. Justin Reid back there

1073
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: wasn't always healthy one of like Omana, who wasn't healthy

1074
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: at all this season. Like these are big time pieces

1075
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: for them that they're essentially because they have a lot

1076
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: of cap commitments replacing guys that were minimum salary, bottom

1077
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: of the roster guys that they've done a good job

1078
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: filling in. But it's one of the reasons they didn't

1079
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: look as good this year as a lot of those

1080
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: guys were in there and they're not in there, and

1081
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: as much you can actually kind of include like DeAndre

1082
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: Hopkins and Justin Watson in that mix. They're not really

1083
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: in the three receiver sets. So though, it wouldn't shock

1084
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: me if like Watson shows up uh in the Super

1085
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Bowl and like makes a couple of plays. So you

1086
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: look at that, and then you also look at the

1087
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: way Mahomes has been playing. We haven't talked Mahomes. I

1088
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: know you wanted to talk about him a little bit,

1089
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: Jordan here. He's just been playing, I think a little

1090
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: more confidently, getting rid of the ball more quickly, and

1091
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: more willing to be aggressive over the last five You

1092
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: add all that up, and if this was the team

1093
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: that we saw all season, we would have been like, oh, yeah,

1094
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: that's the best team in the NFL. Or maybe like

1095
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: you could convinced yourselves the Eagles or the Lions at

1096
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: the time, where.

1097
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be as mad at them because they

1098
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: couldn't argue with you.

1099
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be lucky. These playoff results in December results

1100
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: weren't lucky. If anything, the Bills were lucky to even

1101
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: be in that game. Yeah, let's just let's all hail

1102
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes before we move on to our final point.

1103
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: I know, it's just it is so fun to watch

1104
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: and play football, and I think it's it's interesting because

1105
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 2: we go through these phases with players who are great,

1106
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: who are all time great, and I think it's actually

1107
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: if you look at some of the on the ground

1108
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: chaddar and some of the narrative swings not necessarily year

1109
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: over year, but week over a week, or you know,

1110
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: fans and how fans react and all of those things,

1111
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: it's hard to be that sustainably great without someone just

1112
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: really hating you. Oh yeah, And and I just I

1113
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: love that we are getting to watch the entire arc

1114
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: of this player's career in the biggest games, in the

1115
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: biggest stages, and honestly, he is one of the biggest

1116
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: X factors on the field for both teams. Saquon Barkley

1117
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: is gonna make a huge difference in this game if

1118
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: he can get going. We know that already. We know

1119
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: that the Eagles, in my opinion, the Eagles are the

1120
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: more complete of these two teams and the deepest of

1121
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: dude teams. Right. But Patrick Mahomes has that magic in

1122
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: him and he's just got this like when he really

1123
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: turns it on, it just you can't stop it. It's

1124
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: like watching this wave coming at you and you're just

1125
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: like all right, Well, this is my fate.

1126
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Right, Like I think the weight of having to make

1127
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: it every year and how tough it is to make

1128
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: it back every year like that does show up with

1129
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They just find a way to win like

1130
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: ugly games during it and you can almost see him

1131
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: playing with like a little more joy once they saw

1132
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: the light at the end of the tunnel with the

1133
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: three games and fifteen games.

1134
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 5: That's what it happened, Chris.

1135
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, yeah.

1136
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Okay, the weight is finally off and now I'm just

1137
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: back to Patrick and I'm playing ball play.

1138
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: They played the best ball of the year and they've

1139
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: continue to do.

1140
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: They have figured out how to peak late, and it

1141
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: starts with their quarterback. He was still playing some of

1142
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: the best football in the NFL for most of the season.

1143
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: You know, we've talked about this. I'd get crushed.

1144
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: Online every week.

1145
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: Why is Mahomes in your top five? Because it doesn't

1146
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: look good, But trust me, it's good.

1147
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: A little style for him.

1148
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: He had a down year for his caliber, for his standards.

1149
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because a lot of it was a slog

1150
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: early in the season.

1151
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: It was creaky. Yeah, that's the word I use a

1152
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: lot when I watched Travis Kelcey run like that, it

1153
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: was it felt creaky. Their whole operation just felt like

1154
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: it just hurts.

1155
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: But I think that they know that they have the

1156
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 4: opportunity to get here almost every year if they play

1157
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 4: it right.

1158
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: And these are long seasons. I mean, they built for it.

1159
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: They are the greatest team of all time in terms

1160
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: of a dynasty. If they win this game. It's really crazy.

1161
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say others if it had higher highs,

1162
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, or come up with some or

1163
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: to argument, but there is no argument against three straight

1164
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and making it five out of six years

1165
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: and winning for it. There's just that it just hasn't happened. Now.

1166
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Packers, by the way, who get

1167
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: a little loss in the shovel. Like they did win

1168
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: three straight championships. It just so happened. It was the

1169
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: last two uh NFL championships and the first couple the

1170
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: last NFL championship, in the first couple of Super Bowls.

1171
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: Half of it they weren't there. Merger, it doesn't count.

1172
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: It's honestly kind of stupid. They did win three three

1173
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: state straight titles. It's just like the league changed one year.

1174
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: Before the forward pass was barely legal. Ye just kidding.

1175
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: I know you were five at that time, but that actually.

1176
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: That actually is still the best dynasty over like a

1177
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: six eight year period, but it was a different league,

1178
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: and we do count the Super Bowl as the bottom are.

1179
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about. Final take. We got

1180
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: to get out of here. We got we got a

1181
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of interviews. Uh, and we're getting to Greg Olsen next,

1182
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: so we're going to wrap this up. It's one final take,

1183
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: so hot that it hurts my feelings or hurts your feelings.

1184
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: Shout out to the underrated singer songwriter Caroline Policheck who

1185
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: has a song, so You're so hot it hurts my feelings,

1186
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: which always stuck in my head.

1187
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: You've said that a few times today. I've not reacted anytime,

1188
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: and you keep saying it. Yeah, look at this poll.

1189
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: Look at this poll. Pole p u lll like, look

1190
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: at this deep cut. Look at this deep cut.

1191
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: Greg, Oh my god, I mean I'm gonna look at

1192
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 4: Caroline Wow, Polo check.

1193
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: I think that's how you come on.

1194
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of streams so Spotify.

1195
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: It is shocking because and I know You guys did

1196
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: this out of respect for the dock, right, because we

1197
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 2: were all in the dock like talking back and forth

1198
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: with each other. But it is something that can fit

1199
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: in so many of these categories, whether it's a game

1200
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: changing scenario, whether it is a player at his best,

1201
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: whether it is something we're all overlooking. And one of

1202
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: the things that will probably make a difference in this

1203
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: game that made a difference in the last matchup in

1204
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl when these two teams play was Patrick

1205
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 2: Mahomes scrambling and moving around. He doubles his scramble rate

1206
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: in the postseason, and the Eagles are the number twenty

1207
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: two ranked defense against scrambling quarterbacks this year. His fifteen

1208
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: percent scramble rate is the highest in his career, not

1209
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: just the postseason, and it absolutely killed the Bills a

1210
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago.

1211
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: You know why the Eagle struggle with that, because when

1212
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 4: they're too busy flying around the field all the time

1213
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: with all their youth, you lose a little bit discipline in

1214
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: that process.

1215
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what swung this game two years ago.

1216
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: Mahomes on a bad ankle, just takes off down the

1217
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: middle of the field like it's always been a problem,

1218
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 4: but it could very much be a problem.

1219
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: It sung's I feel like it swung every big Chiefs

1220
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: game ever that he only runs when he absolutely needs

1221
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: to rip your heart out. He did it in his

1222
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: first playoff run ever, in one of the greatest comebacks

1223
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: in NFL history against the defense that gave up three

1224
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: points a couple weeks later in the Super Bowl. And

1225
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: the only reason Pat Mahomes doesn't have another Super Bowl

1226
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: trophy because they lost the coin toss and the Patriots

1227
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: got it first in the twenty eighteen Championship because he

1228
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: was going touchdown after touchdown after touchdout and a lot

1229
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: of it was him scrambling. It's absolutely rageous. My final

1230
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: take is the Chiefs actually aren't that good defending the run,

1231
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: and that their defense, if you want to find a

1232
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: flaw in the playoffs, hasn't been quite as good as

1233
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: they were in the regular season on outside zone runs

1234
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. You know who's cooked them. Joe Mixon.

1235
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: James Cook then did it too. If you add up

1236
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: their outside runs over the last two weeks, it's like

1237
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: nineteen for one thirty two. Like play after play after play,

1238
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: they are not really maintaining gapper integrity. Then you look

1239
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: over the course of the season, what are they awful

1240
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: at stopping tight ends like EPA per play success rate

1241
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: thirty first thirty second in the league's I think Dallas

1242
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: Goddard could take advantage. Those are two really important parts

1243
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: of the Eagles. I think that's why the Eagles have

1244
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: been good. They can hit you wherever your weakness is,

1245
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: the outside runs and the tight end, and I think

1246
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: that's how the Eagles do it.

1247
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: Nine point three yards per carry on outside runs for

1248
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley this season.

1249
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: Look at that. That's team works NFL Daily.

1250
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hi five.

1251
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: Is so hot that it hurts your feelings.

1252
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 4: Shook polar opposite of what you just said, which is,

1253
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 4: if this Chiefs defense finds a way to shut down sau.

1254
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 3: Ken, Jalen Hurts and Kellen Moore overcome that, or are we.

1255
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: Destined for a miserable experience in which Jalen Hurts is

1256
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: forced to.

1257
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: Hold onto the ball too long and it repeats that

1258
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: little period against the Rams.

1259
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Who are you picking here? Are we going to pick

1260
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the game? Why not?

1261
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: That was also that was polar opposite, not polar opposite,

1262
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: which sounds the same, but are two very different words.

1263
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Because I say pole as pole, not poll.

1264
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: For like ten maybe three seconds there, I was like,

1265
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: what is she talking about?

1266
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: I did to enunciate my us.

1267
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: I had no idea what five minutes when you said

1268
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: that's a nice poll, and I was like, that doesn't

1269
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: make sense.

1270
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking just beyond you just.

1271
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Got to move on. I mean, I'm I'm taking the Eagles.

1272
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: I just said why. I'm not as bold as Claybon

1273
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: who thinks they might be up a couple scores and

1274
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: not have to sweat it out. But I do think

1275
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: they find a way. What I don't, I really hope

1276
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: we're not all going Eagles.

1277
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: Well, I was on board with Clayban with the same idea.

1278
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: My score landed around like thirty twenty five that range,

1279
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: and the idea is that it's really more like thirty seventeen.

1280
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: The Chiefs score, they go for two some sort of

1281
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: you know, we end up in that range. But I

1282
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 4: worry about that because.

1283
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: You say it worry a lot.

1284
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: It's a way to threat. I'm also a threat.

1285
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: We're all picking a lot of anxiety in this body.

1286
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 5: Here.

1287
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: The Eagles had such a lead in the in this

1288
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: first iteration, I know these are two different teams two

1289
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: years ago, but I hate the idea of them being

1290
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 4: building another big lead and then my home storm's back inevitable.

1291
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: Like you said, So, I'm not super I'm confident Eagles

1292
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 4: are winning.

1293
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh we're all picking the Eagles because hell yeah, I'm

1294
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: picking the Eagles twenty four to twenty one. And I

1295
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: think that the first at least the first half of

1296
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: this is going to be just a delight of a

1297
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: defensive battle that'll get the non ball Knower's going.

1298
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: Eh, we're super Bowl ever, the super Bowl nobody.

1299
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Speaker 2: Wanted, when actually it is a beautiful masterclass in these

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Speaker 2: two defensive coordinators who rock.

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Speaker 1: As we've gotten closer to it, and I wonder if

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Speaker 1: that's everyone out there, or maybe it's just the people

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I've talked to, I think, what have you gotten closer?

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: It's like, actually, these are two incredible, kind of historic teams.

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: The Eagles have been this good for a while, two

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00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: super Bowls out of three, but also one of the

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Speaker 1: best NFC teams really throughout the Howie Roseman era, and

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: this chief team, like the players, the coaches, it's an

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Speaker 1: incredible matchup. We're not done talking about this game. Just yet,

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring on another ball nowhere. That's Greg Olsen, yes,

1311
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Speaker 1: of Carolina Panthers' fame, but also now of Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Right after the break back here on NFL Daily. Thrilled

1313
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Speaker 1: to be wrapping up the best preview show in the game.

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Speaker 1: We started with Fred Warner, we gave you the nitty

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Speaker 1: gritty in the middle, and now we have Greg Olsen,

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Speaker 1: for my money, the best color man analyst in the

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Speaker 1: business and apparently a long time buddy of Jordan Rodrigue,

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Speaker 1: who knew.

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Speaker 8: We go way back to those early Panther beat days

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Speaker 8: standing by my locker having to answer why we win

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Speaker 8: win more games?

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Speaker 2: Okay, to be fair, was that.

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Speaker 5: What you're tell me? Remind me what you're using?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, you got seventeen, Yeah, you got seventeen. Playoffs

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Speaker 8: was fun and then and then you were there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then, but I got to tell you, like Greg, I

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Speaker 2: mean listeners, like you guys got to know what kind

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Speaker 2: of guy Greg was in the locker room. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was a kid recorder, scared every single day walking

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Speaker 2: in there. You got me in with Ryan Khalil, which

1333
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Speaker 2: was a big deal, and then you looked out for

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Speaker 2: me every single day I was in there and you

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Speaker 2: explained things to me, which I loved and it really

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Speaker 2: had helped me set up. And when people are saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: he's going to get into commentary, into color analysis and

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Speaker 2: all of that, I was like, I mean, obviously he

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Speaker 2: explains things better than anyone else.

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Speaker 8: I appreciate you saying that it was fun working with you.

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Speaker 8: It's been fun to see your career just continue to

1342
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Speaker 8: ascend and it's all come full circle.

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Speaker 2: I know here we are on the daily desk.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know Greg Wilson loves talking

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Speaker 1: ball because he said he's been here for what is

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Speaker 1: this seven.

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Speaker 8: Now, I wasn't doing media the whole time. I had

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Speaker 8: a panel, like a press conference panel I had to do.

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Speaker 8: But I'm going on, that's a wild eight hours. He's

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Speaker 8: here with DraftKings. We're going to ask him about that

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Speaker 8: in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to get into the game and and

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Speaker 1: just you're looking, let's start on the Eagles offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. If like, what is the coolest thing

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Speaker 1: that they do in terms of the running game that

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Speaker 1: maybe the average fan would wouldn't totally understand it in

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Speaker 1: terms of the details that they get done to help

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley do what he does.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I think the first place you have to

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Speaker 8: start when you start talking about a team's willingness and

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Speaker 8: ability both of those things to do really well in

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Speaker 8: the run game. You can talk about the offensive line

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Speaker 8: and the scheme and the running back and Sakon. We

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Speaker 8: can go on and on about that, we probably will,

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Speaker 8: but none of it matters if you're playing in shootouts.

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Speaker 8: None of it matters. If you're not playing good defense,

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Speaker 8: none of it. Like when anytime you talk about it

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Speaker 8: offenses ability to run the football, it always starts on defense.

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Speaker 8: And when you talk about a defense's ability or inability

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Speaker 8: to stop the run, my first question is, well, how

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Speaker 8: many points does their offense score? Because if your offense

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Speaker 8: is scoring seventeen a game, you better stop the run.

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Speaker 8: If your offense is scoring thirty a game, it doesn't

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Speaker 8: matter if you stop the run or not, because lep

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Speaker 8: teams run it, you're not gonna beat me. So it

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Speaker 8: always starts with the other complementary side of the ball

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Speaker 8: that sets the table right, So obviously they check that box.

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Speaker 5: Picfangio.

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Speaker 8: The job he's done defensively, Now what they do you

1380
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Speaker 8: think two years ago when they were on this stage,

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Speaker 8: it was Miles Sanders. He was a twelve hundred yard rusher.

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Speaker 8: This has been a traditionally high level running team. Jalen

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Speaker 8: Hurts is a factor in that, and of course the

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Speaker 8: offensive line and the style and the coaching and YadA,

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Speaker 8: YadA yad. Now all of a sudden, you insert arguably

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Speaker 8: the best, one of the best running backs. Right, it's him,

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Speaker 8: It's McCaffrey, it's Derrick Henry, It's that small group of

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Speaker 8: guys over the last handful of years that are generationally

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Speaker 8: good running backs, and you put them behind this offensive line,

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Speaker 8: and now this is where you get the magic. Right,

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Speaker 8: So it's the whole thing. Like I can't believe the

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Speaker 8: Giants let him go. No offense to Sa Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 8: or the Giants, but Sejuon Barkley wasn't rushing for two

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Speaker 8: thousand yards, and if he did, they were probably gonna

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Speaker 8: not win a game because they weren't ready to have

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Speaker 8: a great running team because it wasn't going to move

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Speaker 8: the needle. So they checked so many boxes. What that

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 8: unlocks for them to do philosophically with the third downs

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Speaker 8: and fourth down and the tush push, and it can

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Speaker 8: go on and on about what it unlocks for them.

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Speaker 8: But it's a very special combination that most teams don't have,

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Speaker 8: which is why you don't see most teams run the

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Speaker 8: ball this frequently.

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Speaker 2: I love what you said about bringing the complement of

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Speaker 2: the defense in there too, great because I'm wondering if

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Speaker 2: you can explain a little bit more to the listener

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Speaker 2: about just how much Vic Fangio's death by one thousand

1408
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: paper cuts system is really the inversion of the suffocation ball.

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: They play on offense and really plays keep away in

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Speaker 2: the best way from teams.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been covering a lot of Kyle Shanahan, so

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Speaker 2: you know it's a dark time the.

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Speaker 1: Like I like, he's great.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, so again you can't. So again, you think

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Speaker 8: about the two year journey for Philadelphia to be back

1417
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Speaker 8: in this spot, and their defense under Jonathan Gannon two

1418
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 8: years ago was really good. The offense under Shane Steichen

1419
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Speaker 8: was really good. They lose a close one shootout, wasn't

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Speaker 8: their defense's best game, but they're playing Mahomes and things

1421
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Speaker 8: happen and they lose both coordinators and then last year

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Speaker 8: they definitely take a step back defensively, and they take

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Speaker 8: a signific again step back also offensively, and he has

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Speaker 8: to Sirianni now has to bring in a new set

1425
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Speaker 8: of coordinators. Again, that is very hard to do. You're

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Speaker 8: in and year out on either side of the ball,

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Speaker 8: let alone both. Now, somehow the miracle that Vic Fangio

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Speaker 8: is not good enough to be down in Miami and

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Speaker 8: he's available. As a whole other conversation, but he's available.

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Speaker 8: He's a great fit. It's exactly what they needed. They've

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Speaker 8: got some young pieces. He kind of brings the experience,

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Speaker 8: he brings the edge, he brings what they need. And

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Speaker 8: now everything that their offense wants to be is perfectly

1434
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Speaker 8: complimented by what the defense was all season long. I

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Speaker 8: think they finished either one or two in total or

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Speaker 8: overall points allowed. And again, without that, so many aspects

1437
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Speaker 8: of what makes the offense so good is less effective,

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Speaker 8: So you can't get I would argue that Fangio's the

1439
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 8: Assistant Coach of the Year or whatever that award is,

1440
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 8: because his impact on that team to get them back

1441
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 8: to this super Bowl is as equally important as Saquon

1442
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 8: and Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown and Kellen Moore, and

1443
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 8: they we all deserve their flowers, but it hinges on

1444
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 8: the ability that the opponent's not scoring a million points.

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Speaker 4: We saw that all kind of come together in the

1446
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: NFC Championship game, right, you forced all the turnovers, you

1447
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 4: capitalize offensively. But for much of this season, I feel

1448
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Speaker 4: as if, especially since probably a week seven, it's been

1449
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 4: more about the defense than anybody. Right, they hold the

1450
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: Giants to three points, they start to ride this wave.

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Speaker 4: Saquon is the face of the offense, but I feel

1452
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: like what we don't pay attention to at times. What

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about is how is he

1454
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 4: married with this offensive line? Because they've undergone a lot

1455
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 4: of changes. You know, year over year, they lost Kelsey,

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: they moved Jurgens over to center, where he was playing

1457
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 4: center in college before he had to play guard. You

1458
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 4: have a number of different guys mckaype Beckton goes from

1459
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Speaker 4: tackle to guard. What can you say about all the

1460
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Speaker 4: changes that they've undergone and how it's kind of just

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Speaker 4: led them here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's a great question. I think when

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Speaker 8: you bring in these really established veteran running backs, you know,

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Speaker 8: you look at just this past year. Right, you got

1465
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 8: Joe Mixon down in Houston, you got Derrick Henry in Baltimore,

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Speaker 8: you got Saquon obviously in Philadelphia, and all of them

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Speaker 8: to mixed results in different But what team find themselves

1468
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Speaker 8: being forced to do is they say, Okay, I'm taking

1469
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 8: in Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, whoever it is.

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Speaker 5: What do they specialize in? Right?

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Speaker 8: Are they gap runners? Are they inside zone? Are they

1472
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Speaker 8: perimeter runners? Are they one cut and go guys? Or

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 8: they see it patient and then hit it. Every running

1474
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 8: back has their different style and flavor. But what happens

1475
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Speaker 8: is now you bring in this running back and you

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Speaker 8: pay them a gazillion dollars and you say, okay, I

1477
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 8: gotta do what they're comfortable doing. I'm not going to

1478
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 8: ask Saquon Barkley to not do what he's comfortable doing.

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Speaker 8: But then what that does is, well, what about the

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Speaker 8: offensive line. What if you have an offensive line that's

1481
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 8: built to be a zone team and all of a sudden,

1482
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 8: you want to be a gap scheme down downhill counter team,

1483
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 8: or you want to be a downhill gap counter team,

1484
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 8: and your big bodies and you're big and vertical, and

1485
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 8: maybe you're not as good on the perimeter. Maybe you

1486
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 8: can't get big bodies in space. Well, then you have

1487
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Speaker 8: the Philadelphia Eagles, and they can run zone, they can

1488
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 8: run counter, they can spread you out, they can pack

1489
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 8: you in, they can play, they can play vertical and

1490
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 8: remove you off the line of scrimmage. They can pin

1491
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 8: and get big bodies out on the perimeter. They have

1492
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 8: the combination of the verse running backs who can really

1493
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 8: check every box to go along with an offensive line

1494
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 8: that is not going to be challenged or strained by

1495
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 8: anything that Saquon Barkley or Kellen Moore feel comfortable doing. Again,

1496
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Speaker 8: that's not normal, Like, that's not most teams. That's not

1497
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 8: how most offenses. They build it around a certain identity

1498
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 8: and they lean into it because that's the best way

1499
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Speaker 8: to maximize it. There's so many layers to this Philadelphia

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 8: team that one unlocks, the next unlocks the next, and

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01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,479
Speaker 8: when it all rolls together, they're really good.

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: I love that. And one of the things Greg brought

1504
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: up earlier in our preview, our middle portion we were

1505
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Speaker 2: like in a sandwich between Fred and Greg is great.

1506
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 2: The outside run Saquon Barkley nine and a half yards

1507
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: per outside run that he's had this year at thirty

1508
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: seven times, we think that might be a factor here,

1509
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 2: stretching that Chiefs defense out a little bit wider. But

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you because we do want to

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: talk about the Chiefs, and I know we've only got

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01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: you for a limited amount of time. We could talk

1513
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: to you all day, Greg, but how do you counter

1514
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: what's deef Spagnolo is going to bring? And how have

1515
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: you I mean, I know you have watched the history

1516
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: files of Spags and admired him for a long time,

1517
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: So how has he continued to do this? And how

1518
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: do you stop those blitzes?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the play callers and the assistant you know, the coordinators,

1520
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 8: play callers and Andy Reid case obviously he's the head coach,

1521
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 8: but just the assistance, the staff, the play callers, the

1522
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 8: coordinators of this matchup are equally as entertaining and equally

1523
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 8: as interesting as the star players. I mean, these are

1524
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 8: as good of combination of especially on the defense side

1525
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 8: of the ball, defensive play callers, as you're going to find

1526
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 8: in the league with Spags and Fangio. So what's so

1527
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 8: unique about Spags, especially when he has this this two

1528
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 8: week head start and not a head start like a

1529
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 8: two week lead in is his ability to be game

1530
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 8: plan specific, to attack you at what you do is

1531
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 8: really what his calling card has been all the way

1532
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 8: back to the Giants. So his ability to game plan

1533
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 8: his ability to say, Okay, what are the ways that

1534
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 8: I can eliminate Saquon Barkley without exposing myself on the

1535
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 8: back end to quick passing game, explosive plays on the

1536
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 8: perimeter to AJ Brown and not let DeVante Smith get

1537
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 8: over the top, Like how do I put all of

1538
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 8: the things that Philadelphia is capable of doing in a bucket,

1539
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 8: organize them and say okay, this is priority one, this

1540
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 8: is priority two, and work his way down the checklist.

1541
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 8: So if I'm Spags, I'm saying, Okay, I don't want

1542
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts to operate as a passer inside the pocket.

1543
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 8: I want to get him moving laterally. I don't want

1544
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 8: him moving up in the pocket. He's a better I

1545
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 8: think he's a better pocket thrower and a scramble runner

1546
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 8: than he is a scramble thrower. And what I mean

1547
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 8: by that is so often when you play quarterbacks that

1548
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 8: have this skill set, you hear every coach in the

1549
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 8: league say keep him in the pocket. Keep him in

1550
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 8: the pocket, don't let him escape. I think Jalen Hurts

1551
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 8: is one of the unique conversations where like, no, I

1552
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 8: want him to move now. I don't want him running forward.

1553
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 8: I want him running sideways and make him throw on

1554
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 8: the run towards the sideline because in the pocket on time.

1555
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 8: As an effective in rhythm passer, he's really good. He's

1556
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 8: got great weapons, he's got great timing, he's got anticipation,

1557
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 8: he trusts his line, so all of those things play

1558
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 8: into his favor.

1559
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 5: He will kill you.

1560
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 8: As a scramble runner, I think he can. You can

1561
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 8: force him to take sacks, throw the ball away, force

1562
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 8: the ball into some bad windows. As a on the

1563
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 8: move passer in scramble drill, so I would try to

1564
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 8: get interior pressure, off ball pressure inside games, get that

1565
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 8: pocket in his lap and get him moving sideways.

1566
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 5: And now you've got to be able to plaster.

1567
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 8: Now you've got to be able to match up on

1568
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 8: second reaction drill with Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddter and

1569
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 8: aj Brown, which again is a challenge all and of itself.

1570
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 8: But I think Spags is as good of a defensive

1571
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 8: play caller as we've seen in the history of the league.

1572
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 8: He's as good of a game planner, especially in these

1573
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 8: big moments of any defensive play caller we've seen in

1574
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 8: the history of the league. And he's going to have

1575
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 8: something unscouted, something that they haven't seen before that Philly's

1576
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 8: gonna have to identify early in the game and have

1577
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 8: a plan.

1578
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: For before we let you go. I want to you

1579
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: did this game a couple of years ago. Great call

1580
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: on the game. We got to get Greg back on that.

1581
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. But what do you think

1582
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: is different better maybe about Patrick Mahommes now than then,

1583
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: or at least different I.

1584
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 8: Think their offenses played. Their offense wasn't the juggernaut this

1585
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 8: year or really the last couple of years that we've

1586
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 8: seen the early days, right where it was lightning in

1587
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 8: a bottle, It was Tyreek, it was Kelsey, they were flying.

1588
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 8: It was like fireworks all over town. They went through

1589
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 8: a very interesting transition the two year you know, the

1590
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 8: Super Bowl two years ago when they beat Philly. Remember

1591
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 8: the narrative the entire season long was you can't win

1592
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 8: with this young rookie laden defense, and then they won

1593
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl and then last year there's the turnover,

1594
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 8: there's the uncertainty at wide receiver and skill group other

1595
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 8: than Kelsey, who does he have? And the defense really

1596
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 8: carried the load. They became the strength and the identity

1597
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 8: of the team. I think this year it's balanced out

1598
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 8: more than it was in the past. Now, is this

1599
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 8: offense the high scoring thirty mid thirties pointed game they

1600
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 8: were in the Tyreek era years ago. No, but I

1601
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 8: don't think they have to be right like in those

1602
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 8: days because the defense wasn't as strong. They were planned

1603
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 8: to just outscore you from the moment they got the ball.

1604
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 8: They don't feel that pressure anymore. So they have the

1605
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 8: ability to win shootouts. They did two years ago that

1606
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 8: they can win a thirty point game, but they don't

1607
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 8: have to. And I think that's the biggest difference with

1608
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 8: this Chiefs, This iteration of the Chiefs then like the

1609
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 8: not even the last couple of Super Bowls, but like

1610
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 8: the previous era of that, like early in Mahomes' career,

1611
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 8: they just wanted to outscore you and how offense you

1612
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 8: they can, they don't have to, and that's a credit

1613
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 8: to their ability to rebuild this defense through the draft.

1614
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,799
Speaker 8: Through free agency, of course, Chris Jones being the constant

1615
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 8: and that defense. It's an understatement, but like more than

1616
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 8: carries their fair shit.

1617
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 4: It seems like since Christmas they've taken a next step offensively, though.

1618
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 3: What has really kind of keyed that?

1619
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 8: In your opinion, good teams with good coaches and good

1620
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 8: quarterbacks and veteran players DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce. Those

1621
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 8: guys have played a lot of football. Yeah, and I

1622
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 8: think the offensive line has settled down. I think he's

1623
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 8: getting better protection than he has over the last stretch.

1624
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 8: And listen, you got the best player. He could go

1625
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 8: down as the best player ever. He's on his way.

1626
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 8: He's not there yet, but he's damn near close. And

1627
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 8: he's got Kelsey, He's got DeAndre Hopkins again later, but

1628
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 8: a veteran late Like good players get better the longer

1629
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 8: it goes. The goal is not to be the best

1630
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 8: team in September and October, and they've proven that. They've

1631
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 8: no one's ever coming out of the first half the season,

1632
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 8: being like the Kansas City Chiefs are a juggernaut. We

1633
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 8: haven't said that for years, yet here we are in

1634
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 8: February and they're the last team stand one of the

1635
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 8: last two teams.

1636
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: Stands as I admire your your bracelets. Can you tell

1637
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Speaker 1: us what you're doing here with Draft Kings. Yeah, I

1638
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Speaker 1: like the bracelet game.

1639
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Speaker 2: One of them is the football team he coaches by.

1640
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Speaker 5: One of them is their football team. One of them

1641
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 5: is TEU.

1642
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 8: We got a whole bunch of stuff going again, a

1643
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 8: pod for another day, But it's been a lot of fun.

1644
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 8: I've worked with Draft Kings over the last year or so,

1645
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 8: you know, helped them when they brought sports betting to

1646
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Speaker 8: North Carolina.

1647
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Speaker 5: Was a part of that launch.

1648
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Speaker 8: And again this is the week right where everyone tunes

1649
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Speaker 8: into the game for a lot of different reasons. Of course,

1650
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 8: you're a die hard Chiefs fan, you're a die hard

1651
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 8: Philadelphia fan, or you're just a football fan, or you

1652
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1653
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1655
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Speaker 8: everyone from the entertained purpose that draws people into the

1656
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Speaker 8: their customers to just again connect with the game, even

1659
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Speaker 8: a little bit deeper, have a little bit more vested

1660
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 8: rooting interest in the outcome. Even if you don't care

1661
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 8: who necessarily wins, you might care who wins for other right,

1662
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 8: so for the other reasons. So I think that's so

1663
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 8: much fun. No bigger week than super Bowl week. And

1664
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 8: it's been a lot of fun working with them over

1665
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 8: the last couple of last year or so.

1666
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: And honestly, it's funny. I know you're describing DraftKings, but

1667
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: you also describe yourself.

1668
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: Greg.

1669
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: You bring people into the game unlike any other and

1670
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Speaker 2: in ways that really help people feel connected and like

1671
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1672
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1673
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Speaker 2: I'll say it and tell them blue in the face,

1674
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Speaker 2: but one of my favorites of all time.

1675
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Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys.

1676
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Speaker 1: You're sitting here next to me, and yet I'm suddenly

1677
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: transported just hearing that voice and some of the Yeah

1678
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Speaker 1: if you're talking about to my couch and playing Madden, Yeah, yeah,

1679
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Speaker 1: you're You're a big part of our lives now.

1680
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Speaker 5: You can't. I love that com good combo.

1681
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Speaker 1: It's great.

1682
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Speaker 8: We have a lot of fun with Matt and that's

1683
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Speaker 8: that's that's been a lot of fun. Actually, I didn't

1684
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 8: know anything about the process of it all, and it's

1685
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 8: actually a fairly interesting recording process. Just making up stories

1686
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Speaker 8: in your head off of an Excel sheet. It's a

1687
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 8: little more challenging early on, it was a little more

1688
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 8: challenging than I thought it would be. I'm getting my

1689
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 8: groove now, but uh, you know you're calling You're calling

1690
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 8: lines of the game off of spreadsheets and game situations

1691
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Speaker 8: typed out. There's no video, there's no context, there's no

1692
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Speaker 8: who is it. It's like completion third and ten converted,

1693
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Speaker 8: first down, outer third of the field, second quarter up

1694
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Speaker 8: by ten go.

1695
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Speaker 3: Yeah, decades of knowledge.

1696
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Speaker 5: I don't know who did it? What was the past?

1697
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 5: Was he open? Was he covered? Did he touch with what?

1698
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 5: I don't know? Like, but uh, it's been a lot

1699
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 5: of fun. I've got my groove with it.

1700
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: And uh, ten year old Walker rose Thal he's going

1701
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: to announcer preferences and he's clicking that to Rico and

1702
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: Olsen button thank you all right, there goes Greg Olsen's man.

1703
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 1: I could have sat there.

1704
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 2: And just kind I know that used to be me.

1705
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 2: I'd stand at his locker and he would just talk

1706
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: ball and just teach for forever, and it just oh man.

1707
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. We're at the end of

1708
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: the day here. He's been here since nine am. He's

1709
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of stuff. Bet I was tempted

1710
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: to just push that as far as we can go.

1711
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: It's like, can we just do an hour with Greg Olsen?

1712
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: Because I just have a feeling like I'm sure his

1713
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: handler at some point would have uh stepped in, but

1714
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: he seemed like he was enjoying the conversation.

1715
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I was ready to drill down.

1716
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, they try to build big threes in the NBA.

1717
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: Bosh And and Dwayne Wade and Lebron He here's your

1718
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: big three right here. Good first day at the Super Bowl,

1719
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Speaker 1: first time NFL Daily on site. Really excited. Why are

1720
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Speaker 1: you laughing?

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious now, like like Jordan's laughing over here,

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 4: and I know she's thinking, like, which one's Chris Bosh No, I.

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: Didn't want to think about that. It's a good point.

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: Though, anyway, don't write it.

1725
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: Do you do you have any takeaways from your.

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 2: First I just I loved it. I thought this was

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: so much fun. I like to learn as you guys know,

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01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: and I feel like every guest we had. Getting to

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01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: talk to both Fred and Greg, elite ball knowers on

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: a podcast that prides itself on knowing ball, it was

1731
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: fun and they genuinely enjoyed being here with us. It

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01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: seemed like otherwise they're really good at faking it, and

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,959
Speaker 2: it just was. I just I had the best.

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: Time and the time just go so fast.

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: We got Greg a square meal. Shout out to iHeart

1736
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: because Greg, you know, we have three meals a day,

1737
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: and one of my prime goals internally I didn't tell

1738
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: you that was make sure Greg because Greg is a

1739
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 2: machine and he'll just work all the way through and

1740
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: you got to make sure he eats otherwise he starts

1741
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: to look at if I was if I was.

1742
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: A little off for that Warner interview, I was not.

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01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: You were great.

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 3: Fuel for the Yeah.

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: I Heeart has taken such good care ofcters today.

1746
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: It's we got a long week ahead. As I mentioned,

1747
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:26,839
Speaker 1: Thursday is a massive show, a lot of really good guests,

1748
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: as I mentioned Jaden Daniels, Jordan Love, Ashton Janty Stars,

1749
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: Puka Nakua and uh and more, and we're gonna have

1750
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: great interviews on Friday as well. I'm glad you guys

1751
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: will be next to me, and yes, let's let's wrap

1752
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: this thing up. When when we're hearing Greg Olsen's Madden

1753
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: voice in our head, except he's like right next to

1754
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: me and I just I just want to touch him.

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: You know, football is back, y,