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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden nothing.

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Speaker 2: After nearly four years of the FBI having a laptop

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Speaker 2: that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden was guilty of dozens of felonies, that he should

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Speaker 2: be going to prison for years and years, your United

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Speaker 2: States taxpayer funded Department of Justice has decided effectively that

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden will admit to some low level offenses and

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Speaker 2: receive no punishment, which, to be fair, has been the

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Speaker 2: prediction of one Buck Sexton for some period of time.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck, I thought that

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Speaker 2: there would be and this is me speaking as a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: I thought that it would be so far beyond the

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Speaker 2: pale for them to throw the book at Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and effectively allow Hunter Biden to ride off into the

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Speaker 2: sunset with no consequences for his dozens of felonies which

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Speaker 2: the FBI has been in possession of since December of

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, been investigating him since twenty and eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 2: We do not have a justice department in this country.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just my basic takeaway. And I

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Speaker 2: hate to say this because I am a licensed attorney

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Speaker 2: in multiple jurisdictions in the United States, and I went

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Speaker 2: to law school and I passed two different bars, and

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Speaker 2: I consider the law to be the ultimate foundation that

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Speaker 2: undergirds everything that occurs in this country. And for us

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Speaker 2: to have reached a situation where effect the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice is the attack dog of the Democrat Party. If

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Speaker 2: you are a Republican and you do anything remotely a

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Speaker 2: foul of the law, they will try to lock you

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Speaker 2: up for the rest of your life. There are grandmas

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Speaker 2: who walked into the Capitol on January sixth and engaged

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Speaker 2: in entirely non violent behavior there that are going to

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Speaker 2: be serving substantial prison sentences, while Hunter Biden, who was

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Speaker 2: committed dozens of felonies, easily determined by the evidence on

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Speaker 2: his own laptop, is going to receive no consequential punishments

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Speaker 2: at all. And I think the only solution here, Buck

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Speaker 2: is this makes the twenty twenty four elects. I don't

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Speaker 2: even care who the nominee is. Okay, I understand a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there fired up your Trump people.

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Speaker 2: You're destantus people you like, whoever you like, I don't

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Speaker 2: really care if you care about justice in America at all.

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Speaker 2: Republicans have to win the twenty twenty four presidential election,

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Speaker 2: and we have to fundamentally dismantle all leadership at the

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Speaker 2: FBI and the Department of Justice and kick those people

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Speaker 2: to the curb and remake these entire organizations because we

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Speaker 2: have a broken justice system in this country.

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Speaker 4: This is as big a slap in the face as

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Speaker 4: I thought was coming the whole time. There was a

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Speaker 4: part of me a few times, Claire I was like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're gonna do this, but wow,

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Speaker 4: is it just gonna be undermining the justice And they

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Speaker 4: did it, and let's just what do they do? Hunter

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Speaker 4: Biden is facing I'm sorry, is pleading to there's already

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Speaker 4: an agreement with his lawyers to misdemeanor failure to file taxes, okay,

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Speaker 4: and on the gun charge. And just remember the gun

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Speaker 4: charge has to do with being a crack user, a

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Speaker 4: illegal drug abuser, and filling out the form which I've

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Speaker 4: done whenever I go to buy a firearm that says

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Speaker 4: you are not addicted to an illegal control substance. So

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Speaker 4: that is effectively lying on a federal gun form. That

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Speaker 4: is a felony. It is a felony. And what did

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Speaker 4: they do with that one? A deferred prosecution agreement. I

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Speaker 4: think I even said at some point months, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I think they're going to do a deferred clay. This

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Speaker 4: is the most sweetheart deal imaginable. This is a it's

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Speaker 4: not even a slap on the wrist. This is Remember

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Speaker 4: what they did with Jusse Smollette and the prosecutor, Kim Fox. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and everybody was just a gas because Smollette was a

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Speaker 3: The whole thing was preposterous. Oh that's right.

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Speaker 4: Didn' Kamala believe him? Kamala Harris believed Usse Smollett right away.

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Speaker 4: Just for if there are others too. But I always

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Speaker 4: remember Kamala was a big Jesse Smollette defender. And what

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Speaker 4: Kim Fox, the prosecutor in Chicago did wasn't just have

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Speaker 3: You remember, they tried to seal the case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that it couldn't so that the evident nothing

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Speaker 4: And everyone said, hold, I mean, hold on a second,

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Speaker 4: that's just too grotesque. This is right up against that line.

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Speaker 4: This is Hunter Biden is the president's son, he's running

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Speaker 4: gonna say, yeah, of course it's corrupt. What are you

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Speaker 4: gonna do about it? To your point, all we can

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Speaker 4: we're so upset and everything else. You don't take power

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Speaker 4: from these people. They're gonna keep doing it. All that

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Speaker 4: I don't care. I genuinely do not care who the

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Speaker 2: This is like if you desperately care about who the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback is in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I want to win the super Bowl so bad. Now

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Speaker 2: we can have a dispute, and that's certainly what the

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Speaker 2: Republican primary election is about. Who is the most likely

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Speaker 2: that's going on inside of the Republican Party, frankly, is stupid.

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Speaker 2: Support whoever you want. I don't care. This is genuinely

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Speaker 2: I say two tiers of justice is evil because it

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Speaker 2: destroys all legitimacy of any prosecution in this country. And

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Speaker 2: that is where I think we are. I have zero

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Speaker 2: in our FBI. Let me say this, Buck, I know

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Speaker 2: there are good and reasonable people who work at both

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Speaker 2: the FBI and the Department of Justice, many of them.

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Speaker 2: And you know this, Buck, because you went into an agency.

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Speaker 2: Many of these guys in the FBI. They went to

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Speaker 2: go try to catch bad guys. But they have allowed

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Speaker 2: their agency to be so overtaken by political based considerations

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Speaker 2: that I don't know how anyone in America with a

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Speaker 3: And I hate to say that as a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: I hate to be in a position where I say

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Speaker 2: the United States Justice Department is completely broken. You cannot

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Speaker 2: trust anything that they do. I would tell every single

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Speaker 2: say that if the FBI showed up knocking at my door, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I would say, good to see you come back with

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Speaker 3: But it's where I am.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this whole time, Clay, when you were

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Speaker 4: they're going to have to come down so they can

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Speaker 4: go down Trump and disappointment, I think that it was

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Speaker 4: at some level, you know, it's like when you're hoping

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Speaker 4: for the home team, right, But in this case, the

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Speaker 4: what this shows us obviously they didn't do that right.

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Speaker 4: They decided to just go just go with the sweetheart

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Speaker 4: I believe, we believe there are more charges against Trump

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Speaker 4: from the DOJ that are likely, not a guarantee, but likely,

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Speaker 4: And so now they've painted them themselves into a corner.

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Speaker 4: In a sense, their position now has to be well,

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Speaker 4: now they have to go all the way against Trump.

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Speaker 4: They're going to try to lock him up. This is

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Speaker 4: what you see. There's no sense of, hey, the Republic,

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Speaker 4: created this narrative where they're the good guys. Whatever they

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Speaker 4: deals for Hunter, fine, If that means you know, throwing

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Speaker 4: Grandmas from January sixth in prison for months for non

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Speaker 4: violent crimes, fine, they are hell bent on this. And

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Speaker 4: you know, as we're here, Jack Smith, the prosecutor who

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Speaker 4: he was involved in the prosecution of Governor Bob McDonald

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to leave that out, who was a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: But John Edwards was a Democrat who was no longer

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Speaker 4: useful to the Democrat Party. They didn't care anymore. Right,

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Speaker 4: his veneer of protection melted away, Bob McDonald Clay. They

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Speaker 4: threatened to send his wife to federal prison because he

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Speaker 3: You see what's going on here, folks. The weaponization is real.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from other lawyers eight hundred two

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Speaker 2: disgusted by this as I am? And let me just

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Speaker 2: build on it a little bit more, Buck, The entire

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Speaker 2: basis of any judicial system is precedent. That is everything

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Speaker 3: A case doesn't fit.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's this idea out there you'll see where

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Speaker 2: treated without favor. Now, there have always been flaws in

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Speaker 2: our justice system, Buck, certainly, but most of the time

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Speaker 2: those flaws are if you have the money to pay

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Speaker 2: for a really good attorney, you end up better off

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Speaker 2: than if you can't. And this makes sense, right. If

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: But when you.

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Speaker 2: Have something this two tiered system of justice, where reasonable

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Speaker 2: this is broken. Frankly, you don't have a country anymore,

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Speaker 2: because if you can't rely upon justice to be meted

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Speaker 2: I hate to say this, I've been a lawyer of

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Speaker 4: So we have the Hunter charges are in, the Sweetheart

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Speaker 4: deal is underway. The Biden crime family getting a pass.

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Speaker 4: No surprise there. Also, I'm sure this will be now

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Speaker 3: Oh, the Bidens have faced justice. They took their lumps.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Just watch Morning Joe, be like, maybe now they can

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Speaker 4: stop talking about the payoffs to Joe for the ten No,

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Speaker 4: we're not gonna stop the payoff talk about Joe and

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Speaker 3: Sorry, uh, Morning Joe. But here we are looking at

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Speaker 4: I would remind everyone Clay actually pointed this one out

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Speaker 4: seven weeks ago? May fifth, twenty twenty three. Here is

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Speaker 3: Just all my son's time, nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: I trust him, I have faith in it, and it

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Speaker 4: impacts the presidency by making him feel proud of him.

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Speaker 4: Now look, I get it, and I know Clay, what

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Speaker 4: the Democrat defense this will be. It's like, it's his son.

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Speaker 4: What do you expect him to say? It's this wayward son. Okay,

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Speaker 4: there's a few things.

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Speaker 3: Biden is a many, many time offender in this regard.

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Speaker 3: For me.

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Speaker 4: First of all, he did it, you know again, he

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Speaker 3: They or the child.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how old, how old you is, but

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Speaker 3: Like he just aggressively lies in the other direction.

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Speaker 2: If we had an actual like so we know the

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Speaker 3: Buck and I want to talk.

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Speaker 2: I think Miranda Devine is on with us in like

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Speaker 2: five minutes, right, who broke all the stories about the

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Speaker 2: The justice system is broken. I do not trust it.

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Speaker 2: The only way it can be saved, I think, is

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are

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Speaker 2: joined now by Miranda Devine, who should get all the

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Speaker 2: politiers that the Washington Post and the New York Times

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Speaker 2: got for untruthful stories. As more evidence, as if we

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent real. She broke the story with The

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Speaker 2: New York Post in October of twenty twenty. She has

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Speaker 2: told us everything about this case. We've been discussing it

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Miranda, when this news came down

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Speaker 6: I wasn't surprised. We've been waiting for this to happen,

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Speaker 3: Hey, Marian, it's buck.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I see this, and I think, well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: But is it is it over? You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean meaning are they going to try to now

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Speaker 4: use this as a tool leverage at least in a

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Speaker 4: PR sense, to say, Okay, you know, Hunter, he's taken

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Speaker 4: was there actually a bribe scheme directly to Joe and Hunter?

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Speaker 3: Was the pass through? I mean, how do you see

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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean you're already seeing that

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Speaker 6: And Alan Weissenberg, famously, the seventy five year old former

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Speaker 6: it's a completely different way of handling Hunter Biden. But

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Speaker 6: even so, we're seeing the massaging of the narrative by

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Speaker 6: saying that Pool Hunter, you know, he didn't know what

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Speaker 6: And anyway, it has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 6: No mention of rivalry charges, no mention of anything else.

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Speaker 6: But it doesn't make any difference because ultimately the story

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Speaker 6: And more importantly, I think it's about the cover up

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Speaker 2: Okay, I bet you're really pretty far. I'm fired up

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Speaker 2: people and super well connected people have long had favorable

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Speaker 2: treatments from the Justice Department and the judicial system in general.

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Speaker 2: That's different though, than what we're getting. We're getting them

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Speaker 2: trying to put Donald Trump in prison for the rest

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Speaker 2: of his life for relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme

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Speaker 2: of things.

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Speaker 3: I believe crimes.

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Speaker 2: Far more If you look at that laptop, consequential crimes

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Speaker 2: committed by Hunter Biden in my mind, and he gets

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Speaker 2: off with a sweetheart deal. How broken is the justice

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Speaker 2: system in your mind? Miranda. And if you're a low

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Speaker 2: level FBI agent or if you're a low level Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice employee and you went to either organization to

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Speaker 2: try to bring justice in an injust world, how furious

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Speaker 2: would you be at the world that you now live in.

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Speaker 6: Well, they are furious. These the line agents are disgusted

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Speaker 6: and dismayed. The former agents are so pulled about the

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Speaker 6: reputational damage that has been done to their bureau in

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Speaker 6: the last few years. And you know Gary Shapley, who

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Speaker 6: was the supervisory I R S Agent. He's not a partisan.

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Speaker 6: He has just been absolutely world class at his job

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Speaker 6: investigating tax fraud. And you know, last October he complained

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Speaker 6: to US Attorney David Wiss about the stonewalling, the slow walking,

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Speaker 6: and the outright obstruction that he was meeting from the DOJ.

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Speaker 6: And what happens at nothing. He then blows the whistle,

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Speaker 6: He testifies before Congress privately, and then the entire his

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Speaker 6: entire team of twelve people gets taken off the case.

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Speaker 6: People who are working that case from the beginning, from

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen. And you know, initially when they were looking

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Speaker 6: at this case, they were looking at Foreign Corrupt Practices Act,

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Speaker 6: they were looking at Pharaoh violations, which remember, have put

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Speaker 6: members of Donald Trump's team in jail at Paul Manafort.

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Speaker 6: It's so dirty. It's just as well that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 6: is in Stockholm at the moment. And it's kind of

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Speaker 6: ironic because he is a victim of Stockholm syndrome. His

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Speaker 6: reputation is forever damaged. He will go down in history

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Speaker 6: as an Attorney general who was compromised by the president,

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Speaker 6: and his entire DOJ stands condemned by history. As well,

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Speaker 6: and it's you know, this just is a police fix

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Speaker 6: because otherwise Joe Biden was going to pardon his son,

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Speaker 6: because there was no way that Hunter was ever going

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Speaker 6: to spend a day in jail, even though you know

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Speaker 6: his former business partners, people like Devin Archer is just

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Speaker 6: about to go to jail. That there's just rack and

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Speaker 6: ruin and disaster all around Hunter Biden, but Hunter. Nothing

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Speaker 6: ever happens to Hunter. And so this saves Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: the embarrassment, the political embarrassment of having to pardon his son,

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Speaker 6: which is what he would have done.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Miranda Devine of The New York Post, her

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Speaker 4: book Laptop from Hell was really the ultimate deep dive

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Speaker 4: into all of this, and now we see some degree of, well,

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Speaker 4: the sweetheart deal resolution to this not resolution in a

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Speaker 4: good way. Miranda, what do you think comes next? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I guess there's a part of me that hopes some

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Speaker 4: statute limitation issues may come into play. So from a

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Speaker 4: criminal justice perspective, it may not be that straightforward. But

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Speaker 4: if you get a Republican president and a willingness to

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Speaker 4: look into this, do you think we could still find

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Speaker 4: out what ten percent for the big guy really means

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Speaker 4: that's fundamentally for me the question that I'm grappling with today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, I mean interesting that the Grand Juri and

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Speaker 6: Delaware actually did ask at least one witness who is

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Speaker 6: the big guy. So you know, if they bothered pulling

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Speaker 6: on those strings, if they bothered looking at the form,

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Speaker 6: the FD ten twenty three form that's been in the

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Speaker 6: news lately that James Comber finally managed to extract from

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Speaker 6: the FBI that made those allegations of ten million dollars

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Speaker 6: in bribes going to Hunter and his father, Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: when he was Vice president from Ukraine, if they bothered

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Speaker 6: to look at any of that, we might have seen

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Speaker 6: something more that they haven't. And there's just a little

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Speaker 6: line in US Attorney David Weiss's statement on this in

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Speaker 6: which he says that the investigation is still ongoing. But

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Speaker 6: I think you can take that in a cynical sense,

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Speaker 6: which is not that they are going to try to

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Speaker 6: pursue any of those matters that are just mentioned, particularly

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Speaker 6: to do with Joe Biden, but simply that saying that

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Speaker 6: the investigation is ongoing is another way of stone walling

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Speaker 6: James Comber and Chuck Grasley and Jim Jordan and any

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Speaker 6: other of the Republicans who are trying to get to

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Speaker 6: the bottom of this influenced peddling operation. Particularly because now

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden is the president and all those millions of

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Speaker 6: dollars that went to his family, you have to ask

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Speaker 6: what's he compromised in the eyes of China or Russia

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Speaker 6: or Ukraine. Ukraine where we're spending hundreds of billions of

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Speaker 6: dollars to continue this war. So there's a lot at

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Speaker 6: stake from a national security viewpoint. We just saw Anthony Blincoln,

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Speaker 6: the Secretary of State, go to China and toww in

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Speaker 6: a humiliating way before President g make all sorts of concessions.

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Speaker 6: How much of that is kind of real politic and

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Speaker 6: how much of it is a factor of this influenced

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Speaker 6: peddling scheme, which in which China paid tens of millions

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Speaker 6: of dollars to the Biden family, not just Joe Biden's

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Speaker 6: son Hunter, but his brother Jim Biden as well.

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Speaker 5: And we know that.

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden was involved in that scheme because he met

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Speaker 6: with at least a dozen of Hunter Biden's business partners,

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Speaker 6: including in Beijing.

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Speaker 2: Miranda last question for you, and we appreciate you making

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Speaker 2: the time today. One, do you feel any vindication because

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people, oh, Hunter Biden didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's been saying his son is above reproach. Well,

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Speaker 2: now he's pled guilty on some level, even if it

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Speaker 2: is a sweetheart deal to three different charges. Second, what

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Speaker 2: does this do for twenty twenty four? There is some

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Speaker 2: suggestion out there that, oh, now this is a sweetheart

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Speaker 2: deal because Biden's not going to run. Do you buy

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Speaker 2: into any of that or do you think this makes

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Speaker 2: Biden more likely to run?

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Speaker 6: On the latter, I don't think it has any impact

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Speaker 6: one way or the other but on whether he runs.

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Speaker 6: But I think it does just cement the view that

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Speaker 6: is becoming an increasing opinion in the public, in the

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Speaker 6: voter's mind, that there is this unfair dual system of justice,

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Speaker 6: one for you know, the Biden family and their Democratic allies,

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Speaker 6: and another for Donald Trump and his allies. And look,

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Speaker 6: as far as you're right, the fact that Hunter Biden

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Speaker 6: has pled guilty to at least something shows that what

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Speaker 6: the presidents. You know, my son did nothing wrong. Defense,

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Speaker 6: It was just a joke. I mean so much for that.

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Speaker 6: It was improper of Joe Biden to make those comments

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Speaker 6: because of course he's Merrick Garland's boss, and Merrick garlan

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Speaker 6: On is David Weiss's boss, so it was kind of

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Speaker 6: clear the way this was going to go. But it's

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Speaker 6: still just very disappointing that we have a Department of

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Speaker 6: Justice that's so compromised.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Miranda Divine deserves all the Pulitzers. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for all the work, Thank you for making the time today.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: She really does deserve all the Pulitzers for what she

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Speaker 2: did at the New York.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely a few. I don't know if I don't

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Speaker 3: know if anyone.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get all of the Pulitzers at the

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Speaker 2: New York Times and the Washington Post in Russia collusion.

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Speaker 4: I want those given, all of those because I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if you can get like

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Speaker 4: all the gold medals, you can only get the ones

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Speaker 4: in the races I want.

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Speaker 2: I want them all given that. They should have to

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Speaker 2: return those, and we don't even let people keep the

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy if they took you know, their family got

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Speaker 2: extra added benefits, and suddenly the Washington Post and The

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Speaker 2: New York Times gets a brag about Pulitzers for fake news. Look,

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Speaker 2: one of our listeners acknowledged their laptops on borrowed times.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of laptops on borrowed time, how about Hunter Biden?

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Speaker 2: He knows that on any given morning, when he turns

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Speaker 2: the device on might not answer, the bell, might not

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Speaker 2: come on. How many times do you have that laptop

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Speaker 2: or you try to turn it on, doesn't work, and

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Speaker 2: the only thing you know how to do is unplug it,

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Speaker 2: try to plug it back in and see whether it's

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Speaker 2: going to come on. How much do you worry about

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Speaker 4: We're talking about that in a few minutes. But Bill

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Speaker 4: put this out there. We'll probably get to this either

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Speaker 4: the later in the second hour and the third hour.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: One is the Brett Baer interview with Trump, which had

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Speaker 4: some very interesting viral moments.

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Speaker 3: Replay them then you can react to them. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And then also Ai out of I think it was

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Speaker 4: it Denmark. I think it was Danish. AI study conservative

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Speaker 4: women as in, all of the women listening to this,

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Speaker 4: you're better looking than the communist women.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, it's just this is facts. AI. Wait,

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Speaker 3: can we hold it? Can we hold it? Clay has

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Speaker 3: a lot of shot down.

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Speaker 2: A note because I want to make sure that I

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Speaker 2: hit this one when we come.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling all the it was specific to women.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Clay and I like to think that conservative

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Speaker 4: men are obviously more handsome as well than their lib counterparts.

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Speaker 4: But no, the AI did not say that said the

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Speaker 4: conservative ladies better looking than the Libs. And we will

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Speaker 4: talk about that later on. But we do have some

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Speaker 4: serious calls here on the situation of Hunter Biden the law.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I look, I'm totally with Clay on it's

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Speaker 4: a devastating day for the rule of law in this country.

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Speaker 3: It's bottom line.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just the perception of justice. It's a

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Speaker 4: really bad day. Let's get Mike in New Jersey. Mike,

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Speaker 4: what have you got going on?

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Speaker 5: Hello, gentlemen. My thought was this whole concept of him

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Speaker 5: taking a plea where he has to do drug testing

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Speaker 5: for two years is based on the assumption that the

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Speaker 5: Everything with Hunter Biden so far has been for gazy,

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Speaker 5: So why would anyone suspect that going forward his drug

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Speaker 5: testing regime is going.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, zero percent chance he tests positive for drugs

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Speaker 2: and goes to prison zero percent. They'll have somebody else

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Speaker 2: p for him, like Mike is a retired attorney. You're right,

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Speaker 2: Joe and beger Main, these are all attorneys, by the way,

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Speaker 2: weighing in after I asked if you were as disgusted

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Speaker 2: by what you're seeing as I am. Joe and Banger Maine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just have a question. How did they determine

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Speaker 5: how much he was on a shortfall for his taxes?

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Speaker 5: What did they actually get? What are they reporting for income?

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Speaker 4: Can I can I be clear he is only taking

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Speaker 4: misdemeanor plea on not filing. It's not even tax evasion,

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Speaker 4: my friends. This is like if you were you know,

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Speaker 4: oh crap, I forgot to file. They could get you

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Speaker 4: on this right and usually it's not for a day

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Speaker 4: or two, but you know if you didn't file for

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Speaker 4: a year and then you went back. So it's not

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Speaker 4: tax evasion, Clay they're getting them on. It is the

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Speaker 4: bare minimum failure to file. And a lot of you.

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Speaker 4: By the way, if you're hanging on with us, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna talk to Bill O'Reilly. Then we'll come back and

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Speaker 4: take some of your calls. I would just would like

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Speaker 4: to hear from lawyers. Lawyers in particular, are you as

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Speaker 4: disgusted by the US justice system based on what you're

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Speaker 4: seeing happened to Hunter, Biden and Trump as I am.

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Speaker 4: You can weigh in