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Speaker 1: host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be

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Speaker 1: your host into the world of hunting the icon of

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Speaker 1: the North American wilderness. Prepare. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation.

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Speaker 1: We will also bring you into some of the wildest

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Speaker 1: country on the planet chasing bare. Colby and I spent

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Speaker 1: the week in Washington State with Buddy Woodberry and part

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Speaker 1: We went up there are on a bear hunt. We

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Speaker 1: In this podcast, we get to hear more of of

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Speaker 1: Buddy's story. We talk hounds, we talk equipment, and we

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Speaker 1: just have an overall great conversation with Buddy. Jason. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna enjoy this. We are in the Cascade Mountains of

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Speaker 1: southwest Washington. We're not at the global headquarters today, No

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Speaker 1: global headquarters. Kolbe and I are up here with Buddy

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Speaker 1: Southwest Washington is not just w House spots where you live.

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Speaker 1: You guys are from here, Yeah, not not Yakima like

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Speaker 1: So a while back on an on a ad for

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Speaker 1: weather for Yakoma, Washington, which was very different from your cult,

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Speaker 1: which is in you're correct, but but but now you

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Speaker 1: guys are now, buddy, you were you grew up here? No,

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Speaker 1: I was actually born in Colorado, Lara Springs. When did

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't be familiar with animals and running dogs? What

424
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: what guys that run different types of animals learned is

425
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: that different animals do different stuff. Like a bear might

426
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: just be lying out of the country, meaning he might

427
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: go straight up over a mountain and straight down the valley.

428
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: And I've heard, uh, guys in Arkansas that are running

429
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: deer a lot of times they'll say, dear, make big

430
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: loops big you know, mile and a half mile circles

431
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: sometimes a coon doesn't really have much. From my experience,

432
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: that coon doesn't have that big of a strategy. When

433
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: a dog gets after me, pretty much runs up a tree.

434
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, um, I've heard you know, so every animal

435
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: has the specific thing that it does. What is the

436
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: uh you know, a normal great fox, they look pretty good.

437
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean you can hear a lot of the half

438
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: mile maybe, you know, do you find the smaller game

439
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: don't run as big as big as circles. It really depends.

440
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're educated, they run different than a fox.

441
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: You just stumble on, you know. I mean we're running

442
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: the same fox times sometimes, you know, because we we

443
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: just choose not to harvest them so we can hunt.

444
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of Buddy. Buddy likes hunt in the

445
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: morning and I hunt at night after family goes to

446
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: bed and go hit the woods. But you know, an

447
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: educated one they learn just like anything else. You know.

448
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: They some of them are road runners. They'll hit the

449
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: road and make you think they're a coyote for a

450
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: while and you'll be second guests and everything. But yeah,

451
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ins and outs. You know. They'll they'll

452
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: usually hit a road and try to trick a dog there,

453
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: but if they're going out of the country, they'll usually

454
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: loop back and stay fairly close to their home range.

455
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: You just said something there a fox trying to trick

456
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: a dog. Let me ask you, two guys, master houndsman,

457
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: do you really think an animal tries to quote air

458
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: quote trick a dog. Well, let me let me be

459
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: all the case. And then you answered, I don't think entirely. Okay,

460
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: I've got both of you answered. Now. My my question

461
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: is because I've heard people say that this is an

462
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: animal reasoning like I am going to cross through this

463
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: creek and then cross back over the creek. And when

464
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: we see that, we see reason because we think in reason,

465
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: we think in logical terms, and so we're like, he

466
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: was trying to trick the dogs, because maybe it did.

467
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: But is that just a natural uh, just maybe maybe

468
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: maybe a strategy to lose, you know, something that's pursuing them.

469
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: So it's that sense. I guess it would be a trick,

470
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know, so I'll have Buddy go first.

471
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: I would say I've seen it too many times. I mean,

472
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: and this happened last season. You know, I'd run a

473
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: fox one night. The next night, my buddy had come

474
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: in and run the same fox, and we know it's

475
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: the same fox because it's the same fox every time.

476
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: And he's like, man, this thing ran really weird tonight.

477
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: It hit this creek and then it just went down.

478
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's where he lost me two nights ago,

479
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, and we just see it. I don't think

480
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: that they're necessarily trying to to seek that out to

481
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: lose them. I mean, maybe a little, but if they

482
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: find something that works, I mean I see continuously they

483
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: go back and try to hit those same spots to

484
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: throw those dogs or same with running roads, you know,

485
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: the same areas I'm hunting now, four or five years ago.

486
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a couple in there that would

487
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: just run a mile a pavement road sometimes because they

488
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: knew they could get away from the dogs that way.

489
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: And you'd swear you were burning they were. They were

490
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: on the right side. They don't want to get hit, right.

491
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: But Yeah, I don't know about the reasoning, but I

492
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: think when they find something that works, they definitely go

493
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: back to it. Yeah. Yeah, And and I guess it's

494
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: a uh a way to describe it, like the term

495
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: like when I've heard people say, Oh, he's trying to

496
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: trick the dogs. That's what I'm always like, Well, maybe

497
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: he's just doing what a fox does and he's not,

498
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: but I see, but we're basically saying the same thing,

499
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: because if a fox does that, it's a it's a natural,

500
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: adapted strategy to survive. That's worked for him, and so

501
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it again and he can't. Yeah, what

502
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: were you gonna say, buddy? So I kind of lean

503
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: towards your mentality, like I don't think that the and

504
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: so I don't fox hunt. So I don't know fox

505
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: and I don't pretend to be any great cat hunter

506
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: or anything. But I can give you one example that

507
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: I learned on this study watching the cougar. And uh,

508
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: it was actually the first, the very first time we

509
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: had the garment collar on. We're all nervous, is it

510
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna turn on? Is it gonna work? And I didn't

511
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: have my dogs in there, and so and this this

512
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: cat had a um some younger ones, so we didn't

513
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: want to run really experienced dogs. And so I'm gonna

514
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: you know. But anyways, so we go in and we

515
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: do the study, it moves out, it's time to call

516
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the dogs in and we're watching the cougar on the GPS,

517
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: which is the first time in my knowledge ever has

518
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: happened where we're watching, yeah, watching the GPS out of

519
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: cougar live. And uh so the dogs come in and

520
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: we're on the tracks on the snow and see that

521
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: the dogs get there, and so we can tell where

522
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: the cougar is and the dogs are at the same time.

523
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: And that cougar went down and it hung agree and

524
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: went up this little drainage and then it went up

525
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: and it turned around and it backtracked fifty six yards.

526
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: And this is before it was jumped. Like if I

527
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: would have watched this from just the dog portion of it,

528
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, they jumped it right there, like

529
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: before the cougar could hear the dogs. It already did

530
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: a ninety degree turn. It went out, it turned back,

531
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: and it came up, and you know, it was off

532
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: forty yards either in a tree or sitting I don't know,

533
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: on a rock looking over. And so I mean, at

534
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: that point when I seen this, the dogs had not

535
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: even jumped the cougar, and I just I looked at

536
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: Bart and I go, I'm glad, I don't got my

537
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: dogs in that's race, And I was like, oh, he

538
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: walked past like he was he was gonna go bed

539
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: down over in this one spot. And he walked past

540
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: where he went to bed turned around back. He did

541
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: a ninety degree turn, first went up a couple hundred yards,

542
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: and he wasn't running, I mean, he was you know, walking,

543
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: and he was you know, evading. But then he turned

544
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: around like if you would have seen it, you're like, oh,

545
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: he tapped that tree, you know, I mean, you know,

546
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: so he and he came back on his backtrack for

547
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: yards and then jumped off the side and was up

548
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: somewhere like that, you know or something. And this was

549
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: before the dogs had even put pressure on them, you

550
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, There was no they were barking,

551
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: but like they're still trailing, were still trailing. There was

552
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: there was no pressure on that cat to tree. I mean,

553
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: there was no what what I would think of it

554
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: would take to tree a cougar. It was just that

555
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: pressure wasn't there. And if I had just watched it

556
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: on the garment from the dogs, it would have looked

557
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: like a whole different story, like the fact that did

558
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff before there was a dog to trick,

559
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was it was like I said,

560
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: are you saying that is building a case for that

561
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: animal to preconceived strategy for what to do when it

562
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: was being pursued. I don't think. So it wasn't pursued.

563
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it barely heard dogs bark. Do you just

564
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: think it was just doing what a cougar does? Yeah,

565
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: And so the dogs went up there and they hit

566
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: that tree and started training. So one of the guys

567
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: had to run down there, and you know, we thought, well,

568
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's a kitten there, you know what I mean,

569
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Like we and we're you know, we're up on top

570
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and we're like that cougar sixty yards from me off

571
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: to you know, northeast, and and so he had to

572
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: go down and he's like, there's no cougar. There's no

573
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: cat here. We don't know if it was a female

574
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: or what. But so what did that cougar do entirely

575
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: we can't well, we only see the location, so we

576
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: don't know if climb jumped up, we don't know. And

577
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: it was young dogs, so it wasn't really experienced dogs.

578
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: But it just it opened my eyes that it was

579
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: like I would have told that story way different if

580
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: I had not seen what the cougar did before the dogs,

581
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: and so much speculation inside of a lot, like none

582
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: of us know what happens between here you go dogs

583
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: and getting to them. That's isn't that the mystery of it? Though?

584
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean like that to me is it'side of hunting.

585
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the last like frontiers that yeah,

586
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: we use technology to help us, but still it's like

587
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: there's there's so many calculatable unknowns and variables and things

588
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: you cannot see another understand predict. Another good example would

589
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: be before GPS, you had talentry and you'd be hunting

590
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: in a place like this and and uh, down one

591
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: of my hunting buddies, Don Gilbert, he would say, back

592
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: in the day, you'd hear this race and it's like, oh,

593
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: they're making loops back there, you know what I mean.

594
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't on your in your mind, you hear

595
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: the dogs go out and then they come back, and

596
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: then they go out and they come back, and so

597
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: you're you're audibly hearing what your mind's painting a picture

598
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: of before you have the GPS. It's making loops, it's

599
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: coming in in sound and out of sound. Well, it

600
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: was just going and draws. It was going down in

601
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: the goalies and come back out of a goalie, so

602
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't looping. So those dogs were just going out

603
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: of sound because they're going to the creek, you know,

604
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: and so sometimes so I'm not saying that they don't.

605
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know that I've got it

606
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: figured out to say that they do. Yeah, Wow, that's

607
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. What do you think he's fascinating as an

608
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: animal trick a hound or is he just doing what

609
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: he does and he just gets away with it. I

610
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, the most interesting thing I saw

611
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: when we used to run hogs with dogs was a

612
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: group of we had a big patch of switch cane

613
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: and the dogs went in there and all these hogs

614
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: shot out one side and we were just waiting and

615
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this big boar hal came out

616
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the other side. I mean, that was the most the

617
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: thing I saw that made me wonder. It's like it

618
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: might be might have been calculated, or he might have

619
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: just been lazy and just like I'm big bad, I'm

620
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: not going to move because he was like the biggest

621
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: board hogs the dogs left out with all the that's

622
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: classic mature male of any species, just or a fox

623
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: running back through your dogs, and so that happens. H

624
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: let's say bull elk. I've heard a lot you know,

625
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: bull el sneaking off, you know, with the cows. You know,

626
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: my old man used to say that all the cows

627
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: are run. The cows off this way and he tiptoe

628
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: around them that way. I'm not a huge there's much

629
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: better elk hunters than I am. But I mean, how

630
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: do you explain that? I don't know. Yeah, well it's

631
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: pretty pretty fascinating stuff. And you know, I've heard people

632
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: say houndsmen say that uh technology garments being able to

633
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: track dogs has also told a whole different story of

634
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: what's happening with dogs. I mean, like, I think there's

635
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: so many human biases involved in dealing with dogs. Like

636
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: even from the point if if you've got five dogs,

637
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: there's one that you like for no good reason. I mean,

638
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: like if if we were just unbiased and we're like,

639
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: which one catches game? Like, you know, some of them

640
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: are getting credit for something else, whether it's it's a

641
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: blue tick and you grew up with blue ticks and

642
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: so you like blue ticks, or whether it's you like

643
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: the way that one looks, or whether it's you like

644
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: the way that one barks, or whether it's you like

645
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: that one because you got it from some well known

646
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: breeder and you think it's gonna be awesome, but really

647
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the dog you got from the pound is better. Like

648
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: so when you turn those dogs loose and they leave

649
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: your site and you hear a race, like you kind

650
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: of projecting a lot of times with big game hunting,

651
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: the race might even leave you're hearing, and so you

652
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: just get to a tree and all the dogs are there.

653
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: But I've heard people stay with garments. You you know,

654
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: what's happening a whole lot more who's in the lead,

655
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: who's falling out? And for people that are just you know,

656
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm new really to the big game world. I

657
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: mean just in the last seven years, I guess. But like,

658
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: these races are so long that you might have five dogs,

659
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: and it's not like five dogs stay together in a line,

660
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, nose on tail chasing this animal. It's like,

661
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, one dog catches a break with the wind

662
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: and maybe gets ahead, and another one makes a lose

663
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: for whatever reason and gets hung up on a part

664
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: of the track and so your pack can get spread out.

665
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: And now you don't want that to happen. I mean

666
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: you you would hope your pack would stay together. But

667
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and so over time you begin to see which dogs

668
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: really have a knack for staying in front of the pack,

669
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: for really doing the work out there. And uh yeah,

670
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: So this technology is showing showing people that it's changed

671
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot, That's what I know. I've talked with a

672
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, it's changed down to the

673
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: type of dogs you can get away with hunting now,

674
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, like shoot, six seven years ago, you know,

675
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: or well it's been longer than that now. But before Garmen,

676
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't have a dog that a

677
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: tree and state treed, you didn't have anything worth feeding.

678
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, it had to stay there with the meat

679
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and you had to get to it. Where Now I mean,

680
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: we can get away with running some dogs that are

681
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: light on the tree or or quiet on track because

682
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: you can still keep track of them. So I think

683
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: it's changed a lot. Yeah, for the better. I don't know.

684
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a catch twenty or two. I think

685
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: it's respond visible for a lot of judgment on dogs.

686
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: I think he used to, you know, a dog get

687
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: away with a lot more than now. Um. It's kind

688
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: of like having a GPS on your truck and your

689
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: boss is tracking you, you know. I think I think

690
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: it's definitely changed. Well, I guess we need to ask.

691
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I'll not cut his from for sure. Body has a

692
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: GPS on. There's a j there's a GPS on, Jason.

693
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I got an ankle, keep it tucked in there? Uh

694
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: is implant? Um? I don't know. The one good thing

695
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: that I can say is um. And I always joke,

696
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: I say, I may not want to go where that

697
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: dog is, but I know where I need to go,

698
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: like I may not. You know, back in the day,

699
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: you look at some of this country and it's like

700
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: you don't you can't hear the dog. You can't. You know,

701
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: you get a signal and a signal in some of

702
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: this country. You can get a signally where you wanted

703
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: in this ground. If it was dog in the bottom

704
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: of that hole right there we're looking at. I mean

705
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: I'd be driving over here and let me go over there,

706
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: and I'd spend two hours, three hours trying to triangulate

707
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: where that dog is. That maybe I could just hear

708
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: the echo and I could. I know they're treated there,

709
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: but I can't figure it out. I may not want

710
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: to go down that, but I know where my dogs

711
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, I'll go I'll

712
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: go get them, you know. And so I haven't. I

713
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: haven't left the dog overnight. Um, since I've had Karmen,

714
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: like I've I've spent many nights sleeping on a little

715
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: road like this trying to figure out how you know,

716
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where they are, and in the dark,

717
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: it's really hard to figure out where to go into them. Um,

718
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: and I just don't. I don't have to worry about

719
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: that and go get them. Well, and it makes that

720
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: the guys with limited hunting opportunity, I think it makes

721
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: it a lot easier. Like week night hunts. I can

722
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: go out on a Tuesday night, you go hunt, and

723
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: when I'm ready to go home, we go home. Um.

724
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, used to you turn a dog loose and

725
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: if they didn't bark, you know, you'd think the track

726
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: was overeat holler them out. But now you can see

727
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: they're still working something. And you know, I I use

728
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: that as a tool, like for these young dogs I'm

729
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: hunting right now. I've been able to hunt them kind

730
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: of alone, away from my hunting partner and be able

731
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: to watch them on that not making a peep, but

732
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm watching them work that track and and know that

733
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: at least they're doing something. They're not wandering around and

734
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: calling them out. Yeah, what kind of dogs do you have?

735
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Mainly like running walker crosses, tree dogs, running dog crosses. Yeah,

736
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: what what kind of dogs do you have? Buddy? Uh? MutS?

737
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean I got a little bit of everything, red

738
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: white and they don't have a plot. Yeah, red white

739
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and blue, that's what I was like. I got two

740
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: blue dogs literally red white and but I thought that

741
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: was clever. It's got a walker's red bones, blue ticks. Yeah,

742
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it's not a walk I mean it probably comes from walkers.

743
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: It comes from like a desert dog kind of reading. So,

744
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: but it looks red and white and black. And then uh,

745
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I got a little black and it's a black and

746
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: tan looking dog that comes out of some red dogs.

747
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: So can I can I describe your living room to

748
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the to the crowd here? So you walk into Buddy's

749
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: house and it's a it's a new, nice home and

750
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: there's what appears to be like a built in long

751
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: cabinet over right in the middle of the living room.

752
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: And I thought it was just like a built in

753
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: just like it looked not it looked like a professionally,

754
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like just yeah, it's a dog kennel.

755
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: There are five or five hole dog kennel. Really classed up,

756
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, looks great. And uh so he lets his

757
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: dogs runs. Got a big fenced in area behind his house,

758
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: so the dogs are running out there during the day

759
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: and then at night you bring all the hounds right

760
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: into the living room and candle him up. Yeah. Yeah,

761
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: that kind of just started recently because we had to

762
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: turn down our our house to build the new one.

763
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: We were going to do a remodel, and it's it's

764
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: like a four year process and finally we're like, we

765
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: just gotta we start over. So we bulldozed it down,

766
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: and we bulldozed the barn down where I kept all

767
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: my kennels, and so with the county and not in

768
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: the permit process, and there's just I mean, it's been

769
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: headache after headache. We were like, well, so we had

770
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: these wire crates in there, and uh I was on

771
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Facebook and some local Gal just had this one little

772
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I wouldn't say it's like well built,

773
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like you when I it's like,

774
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I won't say it's not Pallette built. You know, it's

775
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: not like Pallett would. But it's just a thin would

776
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: you know? She's not a uh look you know what.

777
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: It looks nice. It's a little bit lighter weight than

778
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I didn't even notice when I

779
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: walked in the house. I was just like, it just

780
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: it fits the color of the cabinet. Like I didn't

781
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: even notice until Colby said, look at this and I

782
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: looked down and I just took me a few minutes.

783
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a dog kennel. Yeah, that's

784
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: seen it on Facebook. And this Gal, she she didn't

785
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: make him by five, but I called her and she's like,

786
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: how long would I do? Like that? What is that think?

787
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: It's gone? Yeah? Yeah, well I think that that shows

788
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: you how dedicated you are to your dogs. Like my

789
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: wife and my wife and that's my wife. Your wife

790
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: likes dogs, Yeah, she she likes um. She likes to

791
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: take care of him. She likes the dogs as dogs.

792
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I like them too, but um, she really enjoys, like

793
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: I've given up. They come on the couch now, and

794
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean I'm kind of giving up. Yeah. Now, do

795
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: your dogs live like normal dogs? Outside like normal dogs? Yeah?

796
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: Mine are generally kennelled. That got you know my old

797
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: blue tick Henry. He's in the house with us now

798
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: and as they retire, we usually move them in. But

799
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: for the most part, I got a big it's like

800
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: a thirty six ft long metal car port, so we

801
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: do indoor runs there and then we're in the process

802
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: of fencing off a big turnout right now, Hey, do

803
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: you mind sharing your your strategy about cleaning dog pans?

804
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: It's really it worked out pretty good. Well, so my

805
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: oldest son calling, he he wants to be with dad

806
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: all the time. He's four, and uh so he he

807
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: was wanting it to be a cowboy. You know that.

808
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to be a cowboy at some point.

809
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I was just kind of goofing off

810
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: one day and I said, oh, yeah, that's cowboy work.

811
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: Well his ears perked up, and he thought, cleaning dog

812
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: poops cowboy work. So I want to do some of that.

813
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: And he says, hey, Dad, you think I could clean

814
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: some dog poop. I thought for a second, I said,

815
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't think you're quite ready. And

816
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: that's where it started. At that point, I didn't know

817
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: how long it was going to go on, but I

818
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: mean so, I mean literally this ended up being over

819
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the course of probably two months. Oh I'm milky, because

820
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: every time I told him he couldn't, he wanted it.

821
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to you now, but

822
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: you're a grown man. Totally manipulated you for work. So

823
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: for for like two months, and my wife thought I

824
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: was crazy. She's like, that's really working though, And you know,

825
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: by the end of it, I said, but I think

826
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: you're ready. You know, if you want to try, you

827
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: can clean one kennel, pick a dog. So he started

828
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: with one kennel and from that point on it was,

829
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's cowboy work. I want that. Do you

830
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 1: think I can do all the dogs today? That next

831
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: it worked. I don't think I didn't file that one

832
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: away for or something like my kids, Uh, that's not

833
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna work anymore. That was that was an investment for

834
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: the long game, you know it was. It worked. It's

835
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: all you out there listening. You get it done. A book.

836
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: We could sell that. We should We should have been

837
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: that for free. Yeah, we're gonna make this a pay

838
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: for podcast. That's one you gotta pay for. I told

839
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Buddy about it. I remember he just kind of looked

840
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: at me like that. He loves those dogs, you know.

841
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: And but that's his only real interaction with him right

842
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: now because he's so young and I hunt late at night.

843
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: Is that's his tie to the dogs now. So he

844
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: wants to do it. He wants to feed him, he

845
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: wants to clean him. So yeah, yeah, it worked out.

846
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Hopefully long term, that's awesome. Buddyah, I've got it.

847
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I've got a question for it. So, so w W

848
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: Hounds Supply W Hunting Supply is a hound supply company.

849
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: You gotta sell garments, just sell all types of hound

850
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: related stuff. But really what and we have a pretty

851
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: long history together, um, just knowledge of each other's businesses

852
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. And uh, what I would say that you

853
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: are known for is not just selling products, but your

854
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: stance with fighting for hound related issues in the country.

855
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's I would say, that's a part

856
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: of your brand. Yeah yeah, Um, and it roots from

857
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: like Oregon because that's kind of the guys like, so

858
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: that's my question, where that Where did that come from? Yeah,

859
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: like we were talking earlier. Um, one of the first

860
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: guys that kind of hunted with that was I would

861
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: say a mentor was Rod Claweinter and he was president

862
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: of the Organized Hound Association. So I kind of got

863
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: invited to one of their banquet dinners and and just

864
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: seeing the fundraising and um, and so that kind of

865
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: because where it started. Before I had I think I

866
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: might have done stickers, you know, I don't know what.

867
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: I didn't do much, but um, and and then I

868
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: did this little T shirt thing, you know, and and

869
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: it was just natural I was going to go to

870
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: that convention anyways, and so UM, they're like, oh, bring

871
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: bring some shirts. So we set up a little booth

872
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so that's kind of one of the

873
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: connections I had to meet a lot of houndsman was

874
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: through that. The other thing was Big Game Hounsman. It

875
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: was a website which introduced me on a national level,

876
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, like before this was before Facebook days. So

877
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: those are the two things that really you know, we're

878
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: catalyst in the beginning was organized far into Association and

879
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: then Big amehouncement. And then um, you know, all all

880
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: those hound organizations they're trying to raise money, you know,

881
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: they they got to raise money to fight, to keep hunting.

882
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: And so when they'd asked for donations, I mean, we

883
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: tried to do what we could, you know what I mean,

884
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: and and and probably gave more than maybe we could afford,

885
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I don't in the early days,

886
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: but um, it just worked for us, you know, they

887
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: and they they took care of us. You know, there

888
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: their groups and their membership. It was, um, it's humbling,

889
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it was just like, hey,

890
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: they needed somebody. And I always said, if if what

891
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: we do makes the other guys jump in and do

892
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: more than I'm okay with that, you know what I mean.

893
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Like I we don't got to be the only one,

894
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, except for Jason. But that's one thing. Even

895
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: before I was at double and Buddy and I were

896
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: quote unquote competition, it was so you had a hound

897
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: supply company yourself several years ago. Yeah, I'm in with

898
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: w It will be four years in February, I think, Yeah,

899
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: in February. Isn't this a government monopoly? It's just like

900
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: this is like Facebook buying Instagram. Yeah, well yeah, right.

901
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: But that's one thing I always said, you know, is

902
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: whether you like him or don't, I'd say, you know,

903
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: that guy has done more for our sport than about

904
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: anybody I can think of, because it was always you know,

905
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: donations here and there. When I walked into an event,

906
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn it, there's double you. We used

907
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: to call it double up Chuck, Chuck. That was my point.

908
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: And Buddy's the wrong person to ask about himself, because

909
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: what do you hear him talking about himself is just like, well,

910
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: we made some shirts and gave away some money. This guy, yeah,

911
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: this w and Buddy have done a ton for the

912
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: hound community and um yeah, and and they have. And

913
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just yeah, from a love of of

914
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: hound hunting and and uh and seeing value inside this sport.

915
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: It's seeing value inside of what we're doing at all levels.

916
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean from wildlife management to the dogs, to the family,

917
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: to the economics of having housman on the landscape, to

918
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: the rights and freedom that we should have. And there's

919
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: no logical reason why it should be taken away from us, like,

920
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: but we're seeing it all over the kind so it's

921
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, anybody who's listening to this podcast

922
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: and you guys w podcast or I mean it's like

923
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: the hound world in the broad scheme of North American

924
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: hunting is massively underteck. And so it that that creates

925
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: advocates that have to step up. And as we know,

926
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: fights these days aren't fought with sticks and stones. It's

927
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: fought with money, money and knowledge and influence. And that's

928
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: and and you know, we y'all have worked hard for

929
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: with funding some of these organizations and stuff, but also

930
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: the knowledge sector of it, just like just informing people

931
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: about our lifestyle, building a community like you know, big

932
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: game housing website, um and uh and even just kind

933
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: of the culture that WUS helped build. I think it, uh.

934
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it builds a a culture that people want

935
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: to be a part of. They're just like, yeah, I

936
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: mean running is cool, running hounds is good for everything

937
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: involved in this. This isn't a good American thing to do. Um. Anyway,

938
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: I think y'all played a big part in that. Yeah.

939
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: And I think some of that UM when I think back,

940
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: like and you kind of we were talking about this

941
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: in the truck where you know, you could have been

942
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: a deer hunter. You're white tail fanatic, but you would

943
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: have been lost in a sea of other hunters. So

944
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: you're focusing on bears. Was beneficial for you and for

945
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: US hounds was what was our niche and that we

946
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: because I was an elk hunter as a deer hunter,

947
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: and I tried to make elk decails and elk shirts.

948
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: It didn't work out, you know, I mean there's five

949
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: billion other people do the same thing. And so when

950
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: you just find that niche that you fit in, you

951
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of, um, you resonate, is what the best I

952
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: can describe it is as your you can you can.

953
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: I wan't say you worked half as much he's works.

954
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: Was hard, but you see twice the reward when you

955
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: just focus such a small percentage. I mean hound hunters

956
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: in general, Like you look at the hunting population of

957
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: the US, I mean we're talking small. What is it

958
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: like seven identify less than that done? I think I

959
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: think right now we're like four point five percent of

960
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: the US posse hunters. A lot of it is because

961
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: the US population has increased so much in the last

962
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: thirty years, But you look at hound hunters beyond that,

963
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking fractions of a percent, so where

964
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: we are the minority. But yeah, there's so much that

965
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: can be brought to the table as far as game

966
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: management and and things like that that it's a viable tool.

967
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to have that resonate, you know, So any

968
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: chance that you have to do that and make an impact,

969
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I think you just you really got to double down

970
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: on it. Well, how how have y'all built that? Buddy? Built?

971
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Just just a community of dedicated people, because s okay,

972
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: you've built a brand. And you know, part of my

973
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: interest in talking to you, honestly is like almost a

974
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: business interest, just like I like, I like brands and

975
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and truthfully everybody does. People interact with brands in different ways.

976
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: Some people are partakers of brands, and you know that,

977
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: you know they like, I mean, everybody wears some logo

978
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: on their shirt that they identify with that they're like,

979
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: this is this I can identify with this brand. I

980
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: want to represent this brand. I want my life to

981
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of shadow what's inside of that. So you know,

982
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: how do you uh, yeah, how do you how do

983
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: you do that inside the hound community? Um? And I

984
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: mean like by accident, like honestly, so so double the word.

985
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what that means, but

986
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: I was about to ask you gotta tell us what

987
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: that means. So my last name is the brand is

988
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: tough because we don't get it. Yeah. So my last

989
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: name was Woodberry, and so it was you want. I

990
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: started as double you graphics, you know, and And honestly,

991
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to be at the end of yeah,

992
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: the letter don people can't see no. Yeah, just like

993
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: like I can't do my alphabet but you know, too long.

994
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: But to get down to the you know, the end,

995
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: we go backwards from Z and we can do backwards,

996
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: you hit the W. My last name was Woodburry and

997
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: and I honestly, I think I talked about some other podcast,

998
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to be in the end of

999
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: the Yellow Pages, you know. I don't want to be

1000
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: crushed for somebody to triple a. And honestly that was

1001
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: that was always it was triple A know graphics, double

1002
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: you graphics are like well and so it just kind

1003
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: of I was like, oh, the word double you and

1004
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: and uh so Woodburry Woodbury, double you W. That was

1005
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: that was entirely the way it spelled is double like

1006
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: to deal you bil you as in the letter that

1007
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: was so I could get it wouldn't be the first

1008
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: and because nobody goes by the first in the telling

1009
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: me a little bit ago about how he understands electronics

1010
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: and actually has a lot of background and electronics and

1011
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: how sometimes he solves a problem from the wrong side

1012
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: so people can't follow him. So I was looking at

1013
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: the Yellow Pages and like, well, I want to be

1014
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: right there, and I had to find a letter that

1015
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: fit the get the answer, And so that's that's kind

1016
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: of what I My first logo had a W and

1017
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I mean it actually was a W, and it was

1018
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: camout out and it was crappy is I'll get out?

1019
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: But and then it was like like I always say,

1020
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: like you do something right and it's kind of like

1021
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: getting petted. You're like, oh that that felt good, Let's

1022
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: do that again, and so purely accident, like honestly, and

1023
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: then I started doing it intentional, you know what I mean,

1024
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: Like there was a moment where I was like, oh,

1025
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: this is what branding. That's the stick, right, What was

1026
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: the first thing that made you think it was working? Um,

1027
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: seeing a shirt from a distance, and that's the other

1028
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: a hooter shirt or that's a double U shirt. You

1029
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: don't cut that out of your podcast from Northwood what

1030
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: we were watching at your place last time. I was

1031
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: up here Northwoods Law and Laura like we were having

1032
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: a regular conversation and we hear Laura like, where's the

1033
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: remote and she pauses it and backs it up and

1034
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: she says that kid's got our shirt on. And it's

1035
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: like just this much, I mean just like a little

1036
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: section of this shirt and she's like, that's our shirt.

1037
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: We ended up tracking the kid down thanks to the

1038
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: Facebook and sent him some new gear. Yeah. So it

1039
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: was honestly, um, just this is the shirt I'm wearing.

1040
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: But it was just the bold orange. It was identifiable

1041
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: from a distance. When it started to click for me,

1042
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: that was like okay, like I can that's that's our shirt,

1043
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: Like you can just see it. And now we're trying

1044
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: to separate off a little bit, so we um, like

1045
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: you see Jason shirt. You know he's got the two.

1046
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: It's hidden because not all hound guys want to be pal,

1047
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, So so we're trying to feel that out

1048
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: to to subdue it a little bit. And so now

1049
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: we we've really focused on the logo, which is the

1050
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: two dogs running, you know what I mean? So um,

1051
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: because you know, we just don't want to have to

1052
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: have orange everywhere, you know, and so but it's tough.

1053
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: But that was how it started. Deeper than that though,

1054
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: is that so you had a good logo, which is

1055
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: a part of Brandy, but you built you built a

1056
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: culture that people I wanted to get behind. Yeah, so

1057
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Buddy? Um? By accident? I

1058
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: was way before that. I had to fight against the

1059
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: against the current. You were going on forums with all

1060
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: these uh you know, fake fake names like no. That

1061
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: was that by the time James man GUISTI called an

1062
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: ordered something or put an order in and my wife

1063
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: and I are like, that's buddy's buddy, his money is good,

1064
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: send it. Well we would. I mean like we were

1065
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: fanatical about making sure that we were I don't want

1066
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: to say the best, but like if if there was

1067
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: another product out there, we wanted it to test it.

1068
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: You know it was at work. Was it better? Do

1069
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: we need to get it? Um? And that's for every

1070
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: GPS system that comes out, every accessory for you know,

1071
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: Garman and I still like if I see something like god,

1072
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: now I just called him and buy it, you know,

1073
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: But back then I was too afraid to call Jason's

1074
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: one of your your antennas to do a test on,

1075
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: so I don't have to call a buddy or something

1076
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: be like, hey, can you buy all these antennas for me? Um,

1077
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: there's some funny stories with that guy's cussing them out,

1078
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: and there's a whole another podcast on those, but just

1079
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: wanting um to really and and and in. The big

1080
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: change happened when I quit my job at Intel, and

1081
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: it was like I'm all in, like this is what's

1082
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: got to work for my family. You know, there's no

1083
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: other um m hmm, fourteen I think twelve or fourteen.

1084
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: I think I think it was fourteen. Yeah, my I know,

1085
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: I tell you it was after my daughter's more so

1086
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: nine years ago. Do you do the math? Um? She

1087
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: just yeah, so yeah, So two thousand twelves when I

1088
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: when I quit Intel and started full time at w

1089
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: And that was when it was not a hobby, you know,

1090
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: because before it was more than a hobby, but it was, Yeah,

1091
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: my wife would you know a lot of guys still

1092
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: remember you call my wife and she would ship and

1093
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, they come by and and at that point

1094
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: it was like, no, we're gonna dedicate our our attention

1095
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: to it, and um, just focus on doing because I

1096
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: mean there in the beginning, you had to you had

1097
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: to borrow from the card. You know, you get a

1098
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: credit card statement or you know, you take a credit

1099
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: card fee, and well shoot to take two or three

1100
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: days to get that money in your account. And so

1101
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have any money to speak of. And somebody

1102
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: come up called by an eighteen dog system and you're like,

1103
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: sure I could take that. Sorry, I'm gonna whoever about

1104
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: eighteen dog system Back in two thousand ten, we would

1105
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: have to like wait a day or two for the

1106
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: funds to get into the account because we couldn't afford

1107
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: to buy the eighteen dog system. And so we placed

1108
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: the order just about the time whenever their credit card

1109
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: would take a day. So you know, we had it

1110
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: figured out down to the days. Had to hold for

1111
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: two days or a hey and a half and then

1112
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: you can send the email just before they close, and

1113
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: so they go the next morning in the game. It

1114
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: was a loop and uh and then I went to

1115
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: PayPal and and they gave the money instantly. I mean,

1116
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: just like as soon as and you could get a

1117
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: debit card with them. Oh I was the best thing

1118
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: ever because I'd have the debit card. As soon as

1119
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: I took your money, I could place the order and

1120
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: so we would a lot quicker. And that's when we

1121
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: really started to getting known for okay, quick shipping, and

1122
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: and now we make it an effort to try to

1123
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: get everything shipped out the same day. The back orders

1124
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: are tough sometimes, but but if if we have an

1125
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: order in the system and it just comes from wanting

1126
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, yeah, well, I think with

1127
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: our market, you know, hound guys in general, there's no

1128
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: such thing as like waiting. If they have a caller

1129
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: that goes bad, they need it now. So you know,

1130
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: that's where fast shipping and things like that, the reputation

1131
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: that Buddies built over the years, it's where it stands

1132
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: out is you know, they understand that, we understand the

1133
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: urgency involved in that. Yeah. Yeah, so that those are

1134
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: just you know, you you read a book on business

1135
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: sometimes and it's like do this, do that, do that,

1136
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: and you can read it and it's words, but then

1137
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: you need to really just do it. See you know

1138
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's like you can know what

1139
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: to do, but sometimes doing it is a little bit

1140
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: harder than the tough part. What's your number one piece

1141
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: of advice for a business owner, buddy, not in the

1142
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: hound world, just a business owner, because what I've seen

1143
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: is you're good. You're a good business owner. I don't know, arepreneur? Well,

1144
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: you're right, I take it behind me. That's that's the

1145
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: misconception is that people think they see somebody that's been

1146
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: successful and they're like, well, of course they were successful.

1147
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: That's you know. Then the example I use all the time,

1148
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: of course Lebron James is the best athlete in the world.

1149
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: He's Lebron James. Well he wasn't always Lebron James like

1150
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: he you know, he wasn't. He wasn't born that way.

1151
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: He worked his tail off and the audi And he's

1152
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: maybe a bad example because he did go pro straight

1153
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: from high school. He was on the cover Sports illustraight seventeen, okay,

1154
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: and he's thirty nine years old his name and he's

1155
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: still giving us what we want. There's no fans in

1156
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: the NBA. Wow, we just took a side to him.

1157
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: You're going to answer, and I don't hear Jason's but um,

1158
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: think about it think it's I think that number one thing.

1159
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,560
Speaker 1: You can't be afraid of his failure because I'm not

1160
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: afraid to fail. Like Jason will come up with, you know,

1161
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: an idea, and sometimes I said that I'm gonna do

1162
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: that or whatever, um, and other times I'm like, let's

1163
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: try it. I don't think it's gonna work, you know,

1164
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you I don't think it's not afraid

1165
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: to say, I don't think this is gonna work, but

1166
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: but let's try it. We don't know. I mean, like

1167
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: I said, I I uh, I'm not afraid to to

1168
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: just try something. And then you know, I don't fully

1169
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: commit until I kind of see the it's not a

1170
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: dead end, you know. But I think sometimes people I know,

1171
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: for me, I would have never grown if I didn't

1172
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: leave Intel, you know what I mean, Like if I

1173
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: would have never jumped. And I don't know it's Harvey, Harvey,

1174
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: somebody I don't know. Somebody was talking about jumping. There's

1175
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: some YouTube video bell you gotta jump. And I really

1176
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: resonate with that because that was what it took for me,

1177
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: was I was scared. I had two kids, no health insurance,

1178
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there was a lot

1179
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: to leave Intel, which I was comfortable. You know, I

1180
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: had a decent job. I would not be where I

1181
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: am now, but you know, I I was. They weren't

1182
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna fire me. I didn't have to. I would take

1183
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: a lot to screw up, but Intel to get fired,

1184
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, so I jumped. I mean it

1185
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: was my wife pushed me, kind pushed you over the

1186
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: either jump or quit. But and uh and so that

1187
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: was the the scariest part of my whole ordeal was

1188
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: once I jumped, I was committed and I was like,

1189
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: all right, you better swim, I mean you you yeah,

1190
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: And when I did have a choice, it was easy

1191
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: to just like, oh yeah, whatever. So so that I'm

1192
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: not telling people to jump until you're ready to jump,

1193
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: but you you won't be successful if you don't jump,

1194
01:10:55,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: you know. So is when acquired Bare Honey Magazine, which

1195
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: was a big jump all in its own, and the

1196
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: way that it worked with me was this opportunity presented itself.

1197
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: And the way that things have worked in my life

1198
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times with bigger moves have been like

1199
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: they've just been almost such no brainers to me and

1200
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: to my wife too, that that's a big factor. If

1201
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: if we're both in agreement about it, then we can

1202
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: move forward with confidence. But I remember I was gonna

1203
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: quit the business that I owned in landscape business. Yeah,

1204
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: pretty much. I was doing landscaping to basically prop up

1205
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: my ability to hunt and freelance right and run a

1206
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: nonprofit hunting conservation organization in Arkansas. But what I was

1207
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: doing for a living was just working. Um And uh,

1208
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I told somebody over the phone what

1209
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: I was doing. I was like, yeah, I'm I want

1210
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: to be landscaping next month. I'm I'm I'm I've got

1211
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: a magazine. I'm taking over magazine. Uh, YadA, YadA, this, this, this,

1212
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: And he was like, wow, that's pretty risky, Clay, And

1213
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you think so? And I didn't think that,

1214
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean for real. And it was a guy I

1215
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: really respected. He was older than me and he was

1216
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: a good businessman himself, and he was like the first

1217
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: time that it ever occurred to me that what I

1218
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: was doing people, And I still don't think it was

1219
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I still don't think it was risky, but people would

1220
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: have perceived it as risky, and obviously it was. It

1221
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: was risky, just with with everything. I had no backup plan,

1222
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: I had no health insurance, I had no I mean,

1223
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: but it's but the way that I've done a lot

1224
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: of things in business is that if you're trying to

1225
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 1: guard and protect something, you're probably never gonna like move forward.

1226
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I had nothing to lose, And I'm not

1227
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: advising people to be reckless because I had. I feel

1228
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: like I had a lot of direction. I mean, it

1229
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: was it was things that I had a lot of

1230
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: input from influential people in my life that was helping

1231
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: me with It's just everything was right for it to work.

1232
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: But but anyway, just you know, I didn't I didn't

1233
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: have anything to lose. And that's the way I feel

1234
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: right now with like business and stuff. It's like the

1235
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: only way to grow is to not be afraid to

1236
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: lose what you've got, if you can say it that way.

1237
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: Take a take a not a risk, but you know

1238
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: you just calculated risk. Yeah, yeah, you gotta look at it.

1239
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: And it gets harder sometimes because in the beginning it

1240
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: was shoot, it was easy, um two to go from

1241
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: a small business to a little bit bigger business. You know,

1242
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: like I always say, you know, um to go from

1243
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a month in in receipts to fourth thousand.

1244
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: Well your mind, you know what I mean. Like and

1245
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: the bigger it gets, um the heart you just don't

1246
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: double that anymore, you know, I mean, now you're taking

1247
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: Now we gotta grab Oh we can get five or

1248
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: eight percent growth, you know, I mean like the number,

1249
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: it's it's a bigger number. But back in the day,

1250
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: it was like, man, we grew year over the year

1251
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and I was like, wow,

1252
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: things are just taken off. And uh, now with it's

1253
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: just gotten to a bigger scale that sometimes I'm over

1254
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: my head. I'm I'm literally in over my head that

1255
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: I wish I had taken a different college class. I

1256
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: wish I didn't have an electronics degree a business degree. Well, um,

1257
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: let's let's I want to jump back into hounds, buddy,

1258
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: what would be your l primo hound hunt? If you

1259
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: could do anything in the country speechless? Oh, man, I

1260
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: be thinking about it, Jason, it's coming. That's Bobcat. That's

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing September. I want to be That's what

1262
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: I want to do. Like honestly, I tell, I tell

1263
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I told Jason, I'm pretty sure

1264
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: I have the whole shop is at some point I'm not.

1265
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I never built W I keep

1266
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: talking about W right now. It might plug it myself enough.

1267
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm not building this to be a millionaire. I'm building

1268
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: this so I can have some gas. But I need

1269
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: to go up in the woods and go bobcat. That's

1270
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: why I work here, and that's yeah. I mean if

1271
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: I was, are we talking with our own dogs? Know what?

1272
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: Just like if you just anything, like you could say, man,

1273
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: I wish I had a pack of hounds and lived

1274
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: in none of it and could chase polar bears. I

1275
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: honestly I would love to go back and get at

1276
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: a nice bear harvest and nice bear with my own hounds,

1277
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: because when we lost all of our hunting in California

1278
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: because I had got into hounds after we we banned

1279
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: it here in Oregon. And then I say, here, I'm

1280
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: sitting in Washington and I was not. I promised you

1281
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: that it was. I don't know if you caught that clay.

1282
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: But this is why Jason is good, because he's like

1283
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: this is didn't want to pass the blame. No, he

1284
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: knows that we're on the bear Hunting podcast and he

1285
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: see me, I threw you under the bus, and he's like,

1286
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: he's going to tell you what you want to No.

1287
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: I just I had got into two dog hunting the

1288
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years that it was legal in California,

1289
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I had harvested to bear down there,

1290
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: and one of them was decent. But I had a

1291
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: dog at the tree. But it doesn't mean they played

1292
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: any part in any of that. I was hunting with

1293
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: a group of guys that it took wouldn't matter. You

1294
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known right exactly what we did. We did well,

1295
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say we ever ran GPS in California

1296
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: before it was legal. So uh, I would just like

1297
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: to go back and harvest a nice bear with my

1298
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: own dogs. I feel like I really missed that opportunity

1299
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: just due to the timing. So that's what I would

1300
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: want to go back and do. Yeah, right on, I

1301
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: hear you about your your hound dreams, and my hound

1302
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: dreams man't even done a corny joke. Yeah, you get

1303
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: a hound dream in a corny joke. I don't know.

1304
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: I thought the corny joke was gone a second hour.

1305
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'd like to go after

1306
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: a mountain lion or and maybe like a Lynx at

1307
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: some point, I think a Links would be cool. I

1308
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: could be the BC. Yeah, let's do some big ones.

1309
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Yeah, I'm up for it. We didn't

1310
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: get to Canada. Can you even get to Canada now?

1311
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: Borders closed? Yeah? Little links are are fun. I enjoyed that.

1312
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking whenever you asked me that, like it

1313
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: was it was Cougar, it was Links, it was Bobcat.

1314
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: And the Lynx is just too cold to enjoy that long,

1315
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: whereas Bobcat I can just enjoy the It's not you know,

1316
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: you do have to go out in the cold for it,

1317
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: but it's not like you in there. It's it's cold.

1318
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: You gotta deal with cold a lot, and I don't. Yeah,

1319
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's part of the allures. Just

1320
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in the world and so it's

1321
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: like something new. Mm hmm mm hmm. Nice. Yeah, but

1322
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: you here, you know, I'm I am under the spell

1323
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: of the lion Hunter these days and have been for

1324
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: a while. Um, I would uh and and I actually,

1325
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean I have plans to do this to do

1326
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 1: some do it yourself lion hunting, either in New Mexico

1327
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: or in Idaho. Uh. You know, I've got the dogs

1328
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: that I'm running, have some you know a lot of

1329
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: them that strainers used for big game. So I feel

1330
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: like even though my dogs are coon dogs, you know,

1331
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: I feel like, uh uh, well, I know I'm straight

1332
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 1: to deal. My buddy straight to deal on New Mexico's

1333
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: running a little female that he got for me that's

1334
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: doing really good on dry ground lines out there. But

1335
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: now I would love to take take my mules on

1336
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: and do it yourself. Deal a couple of good dogs

1337
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: and tree big line l prim with with your celebrity status,

1338
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: you got any guy that take a limo out there?

1339
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: I probably had somebody drive the truck and horse and

1340
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: then I would take the limo. But the sad alone

1341
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: for you jet helicopter comes in. Where was this question?

1342
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: Are you gonna? So you say do it yourself? You're

1343
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna intentionally not like if you come here

1344
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have a hard time keeping up cat

1345
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: dog you know yourself is well answer you ask your question.

1346
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: So if let's just say you want to do podcast

1347
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: calling over clay and you come here and you bring

1348
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: your dogs with a season cat hunter, a season lion hunter.

1349
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: Your dog's gonna have a hard time keeping up with

1350
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: that because you're just conditioned for that. So are you

1351
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: when you say do it yourself? Are you like you're

1352
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: gonna go on the mountain by yourself? Or I mean,

1353
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: are you either? Or you know I'm not opposed to,

1354
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: I just don't. I've killed the line in Idaho with

1355
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: a tread bow over hounds with an outfitter, Leon Brown.

1356
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: He's a good he's a friend of mine, Leon and

1357
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: Molly Brown Clark for outfit ors out there. Um, and

1358
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Uh, But I would like to do

1359
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: it all by myself. But and I probably won't, but

1360
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: I think it would be like, um, I would just

1361
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: like to have a dog in the hunt, you know

1362
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, Just not be you know, just have

1363
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: a dog in the hunt, know the ground like I

1364
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: wanna part of To me, as much as I've traveled

1365
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: and hunted and as much as I love local hunting

1366
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: like you do, buddy, I mean I would have probably

1367
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: said the same thing as you, like I just want

1368
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: to hunt right here at home, Like I think there's

1369
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: a ton of value in local hunting, and people kind

1370
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: of romanticize traveling and hunting and uh and and there's

1371
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but but I like the idea.

1372
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: And like in Montana, I've been up to Montana four

1373
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: times now and do it yourself hunts taking my mules.

1374
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: And that's not with dogs. But I'm starting to find

1375
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: a real connection to that land just from being there,

1376
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: spending time there, And I found that's what I value

1377
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: in hunting. It's not killing the animal, it's learning that. Like,

1378
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: I feel really uncomfortable right now that I don't know

1379
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the tree species that I can see

1380
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: right now. I really do like that. Bothers me um

1381
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: and uh so you know, as you so you just

1382
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: want a dog there. So you just want do you

1383
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: want to be you want a dog to contribute that

1384
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: would be valuable to me. I mean there's a good

1385
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: opportunity for that though. I mean between well, Idaho, Arizona

1386
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: is a good for non resident Yeah, Nevada, Like I'm

1387
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: if I get the time off work, I'm looking at

1388
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm wanting to go to Nevada leaves for

1389
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: about three weeks, four weeks. Right, there's there's a couple

1390
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: of months they're like June July. Yeah, there's a lot

1391
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: of good out of state opportunities still, you know, like

1392
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: we're really looking at Nevada, my buddy Brandon and I

1393
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like you, I just want to

1394
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: have a dog do something. You know, I don't mind

1395
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: going with that for people, for people who and there's

1396
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people that listen to podcasts that don't

1397
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: have hounds, there's something beyond magical about having a dog

1398
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: in the hunt. I mean really, I think it goes

1399
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: back to our very origins as humans. I mean, like,

1400
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: undoubtedly we survived as a species because of our connection

1401
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: to dogs, and that is still very much alive. Fire.

1402
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: The reason that when we see a camp fire light up,

1403
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: even if it's not cold, and we want to walk

1404
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: over there and just look at it. It's it's a

1405
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: it's an adaptive trait. I mean, we survived because of

1406
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: our ability to manipulate fire. We we were drawn to it.

1407
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't make sense. It's not rational, logical,

1408
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: and it's just like a dog, dog fire clear water.

1409
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Like there's just like yeah, so it's cool. Yeah, No,

1410
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's definitely a dog connection is pretty

1411
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: tense for a lot of people. You know, you see

1412
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: somebody maybe don't like a dog or whatever, but I

1413
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: know those people, Yeah, don't trust those people. Don't trusty friends.

1414
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: They're down in Portland right now rioting. Well. You see

1415
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: it in the pet world. I mean, even people that

1416
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: don't have hunting dogs. Like the way people treat their pets.

1417
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: It's just the unbelievable. And then and then to me,

1418
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: you take that that a similar well in the same

1419
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: strain of value in this animal, and then you turn

1420
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: it into a utility, you know, an animal as utility

1421
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: that you're hunting with, and I think you've got something

1422
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: even kind of more incredible and even more pure. I

1423
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: don't think it's supernatural or super healthy for people to

1424
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: treat I mean, I'm all for treating animals very well

1425
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 1: and having pets and liking them. For some of the

1426
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: stuff that we're seeing, it's like beyond bizarre. But the

1427
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: pet clothing market when my wife was managing the vet clinic,

1428
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it is insane the amount of money that

1429
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: goes in the just pet clothing, you know, like pet market. Man,

1430
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: don't do it. I'm not afraid of failure. Take a chance,

1431
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: you might lose it all. It's crazy. Well, the guys,

1432
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: thanks so much, thanks for your hospitality here. We're so

1433
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: what we're doing and hopefully you'll hear about this on

1434
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: a later podcast. But Cope and I are about to

1435
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: check off into the back country on tonight. Yeah, and

1436
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: so we're Buddy and Jason are kind of showing us

1437
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: around a little bit up here, and beautiful country, big country,

1438
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: lots of bears, but it's very very dense cover, so

1439
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to find them. And that's what we're trying

1440
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: to figure out, is where to find them. But we're

1441
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get back in and do some hunting.

1442
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: You got me. You gotta excerned me on bear hunting

1443
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. I haven't had my truck in the

1444
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: woods without a dog boxing in a while, so seeing

1445
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: my Oregon openers today. So as soon as we're done here,

1446
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trucking home. Yeah, the hunt his own. Well, Buddy,

1447
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: ain't any any closing thoughts you'd like to say? The

1448
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast listeners. No, No, I'm good, I

1449
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: want to I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. Talk to

1450
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: me I am impressed. Like this is probably because me

1451
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: and Jason be trying to our podcast and you're making

1452
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: us look like a rookie. I mean, you're just like

1453
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: master Jed. You're talking about Jedi Jason about there, You're

1454
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: like like Jedi Clay. I'm just I'm just wowed and

1455
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: my brain is just like racking on how well you

1456
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: do a podcast. So it's it's appreciate and per I've

1457
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 1: heard you and I've listened to you. Um, you know,

1458
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: like back you're talking about two thirteen, Um, when you

1459
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: first got bear hunting and we worked together for a

1460
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: little bit when you met it it was Michigan, I think,

1461
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: and and we had to I wasn't able to to

1462
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: sponsor you and continue to sponsor you. Um, but you

1463
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: have really like grown as far as what I've watched

1464
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: and seen, and it's impressive. And so seeing you in person,

1465
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came out and like it's my my

1466
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: wheels are spinning. Well, I appreciate it, man, I appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pleasure to meet you Jackson this first time. We said

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Speaker 1: yesterday you chatted a little bit. But it's a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: that's right, all right. Well, Colby, we're better go kill

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Speaker 1: a beart. Closing thoughts, Colby, let's kill a beart all right,

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Speaker 1: too well, keep the wild places wild. That's worth bear.