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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on giants dot Com Paul Latino with John Schmell, who

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Speaker 1: will be here momentarily because we could not clone him

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Speaker 1: us on the air today. And we'll be taking your

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Speaker 1: phone calls at two five one three or hashtag giants

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Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter. And as you can see, the real John,

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Speaker 1: not the clone John, has arrived in his chair. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants me cloned, especially not my wife, so don't

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Speaker 1: worry about that. In any event, we will be here

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Speaker 1: for the next hour. As always, We're back at our

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Speaker 1: regular time twelve o'clock Eastern time. Now that many camp

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Speaker 1: is over, and John, it's a ghost town around the facility. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: the rookies are here and that's pretty much it's their

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Speaker 1: orientation goes on. I think for two or three more

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Speaker 1: days next week. The veterans were gone. I hope nobody

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Speaker 1: was out in the parking lot or around the parking lot.

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Speaker 1: And around two o'clock yesterday because it was a steady

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Speaker 1: the hodge and we won't see most of these guys

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Speaker 1: for six weeks. Others will see in about five and

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Speaker 1: a half weeks. UM. We found out from coach Charmer

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Speaker 1: yesterday that these guys will be which is something new

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Speaker 1: for the Giants. I've never seen this before. I frankly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was allowed under CBA rules.

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Speaker 1: I guess it is where the rookies are gonna be

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Speaker 1: here three or four days early. UM. I think the

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Speaker 1: twenty second they can report. The veterans will report for

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Speaker 1: conditioning on and I've known the rookies can come in

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Speaker 1: early before, I was not aware that select veterans could

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Speaker 1: as well. So the quarterbacks will be here early as well,

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Speaker 1: a number of select veterans. So something a little bit

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Speaker 1: different this year. And they'll actually get some on field

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Speaker 1: practices in before training camp begins on the twenty six UM.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see how that's handled. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have media for those maybe I don't know why

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Speaker 1: The interesting part about that is coach Shermer had done

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Speaker 1: did not see a similar pattern from either Coach Coughlin

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Speaker 1: because if you remember when coach McAdoo was here, you

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Speaker 1: They call it the opportunity portion of practice, and it

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Speaker 1: made sense. You get, you know, Davids Webbit, chances to

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Speaker 1: during the rest of practice. But this is a way

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Speaker 1: Now special BBK Today, folks, we're not gonna do calls

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Speaker 1: So go to hashtag giants chat and if you want

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Speaker 1: And here's how we're gonna start today's show. Um, We're

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Speaker 1: all of that in free agency, but everything we've seen

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Speaker 1: the middle of April. Paul, we're gonna start, I guess

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Speaker 1: picture thing you can to why don't you go first

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Speaker 1: about two months ago. Well, I think one of the

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Speaker 1: Feagles and I talked about this for a moment yesterday,

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Speaker 1: start off this section. The Giants are gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of screen passing this year, and that's something

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Speaker 1: gonna see the Giants run a screen? Why don't they

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Speaker 1: do run a screen? What's a problem, isn't Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: ran plenty of screen passes, they just didn't run them. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've seen more wheel routes. And I'm not sure in

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Speaker 1: I've probably seen thirteen. Um, I've seen more wheel routes

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Speaker 1: by line he has. And by the way, I'm so

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Speaker 1: that our evaluation of him was crabit. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: But what he's good at and why he's good at it,

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Speaker 1: pretty well. He is on coverable. He has made more

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Speaker 1: excited about the Barkley pick. Through yourself a favor. If

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Speaker 1: He was small, he was injury prone, and he frankly

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Speaker 1: I compared his quicks to Megas, and I'm comparing Barkley's

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Speaker 1: quicks to Megat's as well. Barkley's two hunds. Barkley, check

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Speaker 1: this out, folks. If understand this, you long longer time

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Speaker 1: fans will get this. Combine meg It's ability to to cut,

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Speaker 1: he may wind up getting his twenty two touches a

427
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: game in the first game of the season. I don't

428
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: think Sae Kwon Barkley's snaps will be limited because of

429
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 1: any lack of knowledge or ability to adjust to the pros.

430
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: If they're limited, I think it's just gonna because they

431
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 1: want to keep him fresh, and they're trying to get

432
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,959
Speaker 1: Goldman some touches and Stewards some touches, and they want to,

433
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, keep a variety of guys back there. As

434
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer said many times, UM, it takes a village

435
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 1: at the running back position. I think that's why he'll

436
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: be out of the game at times, and I think

437
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: probably more than Giant fans would like. But I think

438
00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: he will be okay, which is fine, that's okay. Um.

439
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: Over the course of these thirteen practices I've seen visibly,

440
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: I could tell he missed a Blitz pick up once

441
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: and he dropped one pass one he said one was

442
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: it too, Unless I'm remembering wrong, or maybe they're not

443
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 1: crediting him with a dropped on one of those because

444
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: it was a tough catch I thought he had, he said.

445
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: The one that he dropped was was by the belt

446
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: he had. I thought he had two of those. I

447
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: thought I remembered him having two of those. Maybe I'm wrong.

448
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm remember maybe maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, But

449
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: I will say this. I literally track every play at

450
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: camp now because I'm helping out somebody upstairs with something

451
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: and I thought I remember too. But either way, whether

452
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: it's just one or two, it's really good. So kay

453
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Can I make this statement? Is this the

454
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: most accurate and fair statement that I could possibly make

455
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: regarding him? He has done nothing that would prompt the

456
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: coaches to hold him back. No, and I haven't seen him.

457
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: I get back to the huddle and they're like, oh,

458
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: you ran the wrong route, And the coaches talked to

459
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: him like he did something wrong. If you didn't tell

460
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: me he was a rookie, I would have no idea

461
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: that he's a rookie from watching practice. That's the best.

462
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: That's the best way I could put in. And that

463
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: works for me too. All Right. My next takeaway, UM,

464
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: I go to the quarterback posion and and I think

465
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: you're just gonna nod your head and go great. Um,

466
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: Because I think some some fans had questions about this,

467
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I didn't. But Eli still looks like the same exact

468
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: guy I've seen for the last ten years. The arm

469
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: strength looks the same, the movement looks the same, the

470
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: decision making and accuracy looks the same. Head Um, he

471
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: look he looks like the same guy, and David's Webb

472
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: looks just as good throwing the ball around with his

473
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: arm strength and physical ability that I saw before and

474
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: for me in terms of and I think kylo let

475
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: it looked better as camp went along. He looked much

476
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: better in the last three days of midicamp than he

477
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: looked the first couple of weeks ago. Tis and it

478
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: wasn't close to me. Um. He still some times good

479
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: the ball outside. I think floats a little bit too

480
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: much sometimes with the arm strength, and we talked about that.

481
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: That's fine, Um, but I think he looks a lot

482
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: more comfortable and accurate the last couple of weeks. We

483
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: need to see Web and e Lion games. Obviously, when

484
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the pass rush is coming after you, things change. We've

485
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: seen that with the Life at the last fifteen years.

486
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: Things are different. When need you see Davids Webb take

487
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: his practice stuff onto the field against life competition. But

488
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: I think you've seen what you need to see during

489
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: practice in the quarterbacks. But let's see him in games.

490
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: And see how it goes. Okay, fair enough, a great

491
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: what's your next take away? I'll stay in offense for

492
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: a second. Sure, I do think that there's got to

493
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: be a lot more optimism and hope for a guy

494
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: like Corey Lattimer because without Odell Beckham Jr. Being able

495
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: to do all the team drills. Uh, Corey Lattimer and

496
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: I will tell you to some degree, Hunters Sharp have

497
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: also shown a lot of ability and the propensity to

498
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: make some plays during the course of the summer or

499
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: during the spring. I should say this summer is not

500
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: quite in play yet, and you know, just maybe, just maybe,

501
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen so far, those guys have

502
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: moved ahead of Roger Lewis on the depth chart, it

503
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: would appear so um, I think Cody Latimer has looked

504
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: even better than I expected. I figured, Look, he was

505
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: couldn't get on the field and Denvers was so long,

506
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: so I must be wrong. You know, he's been catching

507
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: almost everything thrown at him, never drops anything, and he

508
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: gets separation, and he's getting separation against the ones. He's

509
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: not playing against the twos and threes here, So I agree.

510
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: I think if if he's your third wide receiver or

511
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: your second outside receiver, however you want to look at it.

512
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm pretty comfortable with that, and I think

513
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: he probably has a leg up in that department. But

514
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: I must say Roger Lewis has made some a lot

515
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: of players with Davis Webb down the field. That's been

516
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Webb's favorite target. They've connected a lot, and he has

517
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: made some plays down the field. So I think Roger

518
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: Lewis has kind of played his hands here to be

519
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: like yo, I deserve a roster spot on this team.

520
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he won't make it, but I think

521
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 1: Lattimer has his his star or his arrow has been

522
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. I agree. I just wanted to

523
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: make sure I tipped my It's not like Louis is

524
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: playing poorly. I don't want to make it look pretty

525
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: good too. If I gave you that impression, I'm sorry, no,

526
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: and you didn't. I just want to make sure he

527
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: got his props. But but but I tell you the

528
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: guy who's come out of nowhere, because at least Latimer

529
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: had some something of an NFL resume. He's limited as

530
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: it was. It's really Hunter sharp and I wrote about him.

531
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: I had an article on John's on a couple of

532
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: weeks about him and nice guy by the way, and

533
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: yeah and look and by the way, do you know

534
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: what he is a leg up too. He's gonna be

535
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: a kicking pot returner, incredibly fast. He just is. So

536
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I think is unless something bad

537
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: happens and he's doing gun or stuff too for them

538
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: for the first time in his career. Really had done

539
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: that before he got this small guy he's he's not

540
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: like he's probably bigger than sterling, though, I don't know

541
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: what the measurements Let me let me see what the

542
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: measurements hold on. I'm gonna take a look there in

543
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood. No no, no, no, no, no, where

544
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: is he? Where is he? Oh one? And he's in

545
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: the teens. Oh yeah, that's he's a little bit bigger,

546
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: not much about the same, you know. Maybe that's what

547
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: with dripping wet clothes. But he's fast enough to be

548
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: a gunner, so you know. But but this is a

549
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: guy who basically did not have hardly any resume when

550
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: the giants picked him up off the street last year. Uh,

551
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: and then had a cup of coffee here and and

552
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: now it looks like he's getting a legitimate shot to

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: earn some meny full reps, and as you say, maybe

554
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: he does turn out to be the return down. I

555
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: don't know if that's solved yet, but he might wind

556
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: up being the return guy. He certainly has the quicks

557
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: and that's something he's done. He actually he's done that

558
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot, no question. So he's he's the only guy

559
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: with a lot of experience doing that on the roster.

560
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: So barring an injury, I would feel very good about

561
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp's chances. And we're putting your chips on him

562
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: right there. I am. I feel like by the way,

563
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: I want to agree because I that was one of

564
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: my major takeaways. It wasn't see I didn't cheat. I

565
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: didn't This is something from my practice report yesterday. Just

566
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: in general, I think, um, and I'll bounce this into

567
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: my next point into my next takeaway that the wide

568
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: receivers have been impressive in that there on all levels.

569
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: In the first second and thirteen, they're all getting separation.

570
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Guys are getting open and sometimes you don't, especially when

571
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: you get to those third team guys and guys in

572
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: the wrong spot, Like a lot of times when these

573
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: young guys. Guys are right. There are pass gets thrown.

574
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: You have no idea who's supposed to go to and

575
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you're like, what was that. We haven't had a lot

576
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: of them. Not much. No, it's been pretty good. A few,

577
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: but not much. Yeah. I mean, you're always gonna have

578
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: some of you, and that's the practice you're learning, you're

579
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: figuring things out. But I've seen a lot worse than

580
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: others years and I think I've been very happy. And

581
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: I think your expectations for the wide receiver group are

582
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: automatically lowered in the spring when you know Odell is

583
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: not gonna be out there. So obviously Odell's not there,

584
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: so your expectations go down a little bit. I gotta

585
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: tell you, I've been very impressive with that I've seen.

586
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: I think they have a nice young group to choose

587
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: from when they fill out their roster, and with the

588
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: new special teams rules, don't be surprised to have sex.

589
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: I want to throw out a comment to Land from Maryland,

590
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: who was one of our favorite all time callers, because

591
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I know that much credit. You know, well, he and

592
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer really really get the yips over drops. You know,

593
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: Coacher really can't stand drop and I know land you

594
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: feel the same way. And I will tell you this,

595
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: there haven't been a whole lot of those. There's been some,

596
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: but there have not many. No, it's been good and

597
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: and and there hasn't been one guy that I point

598
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: to him like, but this guy can't catch the ball.

599
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things Tremer has said

600
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: before that we need what he said talks about receivers,

601
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: running backs. The first thing he says, I need is

602
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: that guys that can catch the football. The first thing

603
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: he says everyone here is called the football. This goes

604
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: to my next point. Competition between the wide receivers and

605
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: dbs we need to figure out, or the wide receivers

606
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: getting open and doing really well because they're really good

607
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: because the defensive back to having trouble and covering. And no,

608
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: it's true, I'm not trying to be funny, but until

609
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: you see and look, well, we've seen this before. I've

610
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: been in camp, like, boy, this Giant offense looks great,

611
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: and then you get to the preseason you're like, oh no,

612
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: the Giants offense is great because the defense can't stop anybody,

613
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: and that's why the offense looks great. So I think

614
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: we need to see both the Giants receivers against life competition,

615
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: and we need to see the Giants defensive backs against

616
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: live competition, because right now there is a dog fight.

617
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: And I thought Eli Apple had a pretty good spring.

618
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I thought he struggled a little bit in a couple

619
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: of minicamp practices, and I recomb about that on Giants

620
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: dot Com. A couple of times guys got over his

621
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: head and sidelined to the shoulder beat on a couple

622
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: of slants, and that was It was surprising to me

623
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: because I thought he had played really well during the

624
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: ot A sessions. Um. But beyond those two guys, and

625
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Pat Schrummer said this, so we're not breaking any news here.

626
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: He said it at his press conference on Thursday, it

627
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: is wide open. After Eli Apple and gen Norris Jenkins.

628
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if those two guys wanant the two

629
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: starting corners against Jacksonville. Beyond that, Grant Haley, Donte, Dion

630
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: b w Webb, William Gay go down the list. We

631
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: don't know who these guys are gonna be. So competition

632
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: three through seven on the three through six on the

633
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: cornerback depth chart. However many they keep huge and usually important,

634
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: by the way, hugely important, hugely important. In fact, the

635
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: two most important battles we're gonna see, actually the most

636
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: important battle in my opinion, we're gonna say in the

637
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: summer its defensive back. It can make or break this

638
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: giant season. What they figure out beyond Landon Collins, Eli

639
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Apple and you Norris Jenkins, besides those three guys, who

640
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: can you trust back there to play? Well? They need

641
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: to figure that out. That's very fair, John, you know.

642
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, this quarterback position isn't

643
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just about who's going to be the slot guy, because

644
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: if you noticed, they've been playing the guys all over

645
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: the place. God they Dan has been playing border too,

646
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: which is something that you know. It's kind of Grant Haley,

647
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: who's also fighting. Right, Both of these guys are very diminutive,

648
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: and you have to think going in, all right, they're

649
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: gonna be fighting out for one spot is the backup

650
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: slot corner. But here we are in the spring and

651
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: they're throwing these guys out there on the boundary. And

652
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: by the way, another guy who we thought was mostly

653
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: a slot guys, b W Web at five, he's been

654
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: playing the boundary too, and Curtis Riley has been playing

655
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: some safety and well and and we haven't talked about

656
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: the names for that yet. And I think, dude, that's

657
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: wide open, Like it's not just Andrew Adams and Darren

658
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Thompson fighting for that spot. At this point. We've seen

659
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Stewart back there, the defensive back of veteran. I've

660
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: seen it with the first and second team, and Curtis

661
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Riley I think has made some plays back there, the

662
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: other guy you mentioned. So those guys are in the

663
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: mix of that spot next to Landon Collins and look

664
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: the way they need a guy at safety that could

665
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: play that single high spot. And the players when I

666
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: talked to about this kind of agreed. They pushed back

667
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: on it a little bit with me because they're being

668
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: used at both spots. But to me watching this, I

669
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: don't know what your take on this is. We've even

670
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: talked about this and Betcher's defense. To me, there were

671
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: two distinct safety positions in the past when Dave Marratt

672
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: was here. What were we always told the two safety

673
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: spots are interchangeable. You can move back and forth. One

674
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: guy's up, guys down, back and forth, left and right.

675
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: The way Betcher did things in Arizona and the way

676
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I see things here in Camp, there ain't a whole

677
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of moving back and forth. You got a guy

678
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: down and you got a guy back. Okay. The guy

679
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: back is your single high safety. That was Antoine Biffet

680
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: when they were in Arizona. Okay. And then there's a

681
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: safety that's a robber. It's very similar to the way

682
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Seattle does things or old Thomas Date and they got

683
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Camp Chancellor down. That's my sense. Now, maybe he'll change

684
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: things up in James and and James Betcher has been

685
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: very clear he's gonna be very um flexible based on

686
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: his personnel and how he does takes. But based on

687
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: his history and what I've seen in camp, there's two

688
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: distinct positions. I'm not saying guys can't move back and forth,

689
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: but you have a down guy, you have a bad

690
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: guy with two distinct skill set requirements and responsibilities. We

691
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: figure Landon Conin is not going to be the deep guy.

692
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: So who's the deep guy? I don't. I have no idea.

693
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: I won't even give somebody a better than shot. Right now.

694
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: It's wide open, and in my mind I agree with you, John,

695
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I do think these safeties have much more regimented roles

696
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: than what we've seen in the past. And you know, again,

697
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that's not to say they'll be in the same spot

698
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: because I think that the down safety can wind up

699
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: playing slot man, can wind up playing Brackett, can wind

700
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: up being a pseudo linebacker. And you're missing one. Blitz, Yes,

701
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: blitz how much have we seen? That should have been

702
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: the number one item? And Paul, it's funny, I probably

703
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: did four or five dbs in these interviews. When I

704
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: talked to him, I asked all of them, how do

705
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: you like all the blitzing? They all smile. They love it, guys,

706
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. And like I said, I've been tracking

707
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: every play during these practices. Okay, corners and safeties have

708
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: been sent on. Blitz is more in this spring camp

709
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: than I have ever seen. And it's not And it's

710
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: not like the Spagnola was like a non blitzing like

711
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: no no cautious guys. Backs was known as one of

712
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: the more aggressive guys in the league. It's nothing compared

713
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: to the number of guys from the secondary that we're

714
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: seeing come in James Betcher's scheme from all different angles

715
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: in the middle to side, back, deep slot wherever. They're

716
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: coming from, all over the place, and it's fun to watch, well,

717
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, and that's why. So within the the the

718
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: box safety or the deep safety, each of those guys

719
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: maybe separated by what they are doing, but they're gonna

720
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: have various roles within their box, so to speak. That's

721
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: the best way to describe. Especially the down guy. He's

722
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: got more, Yeah, a million different he's got more now.

723
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: That manifests itself in the comment that Betcher made the

724
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: other day when he said, you gotta win you one

725
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: on one matchups, and he goes, I don't care if

726
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: it's a safety going against the tackle because and and now,

727
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: believe me, that's gonna happen sometimes, folks, because he is

728
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: so multiple in who we's sending from any angle at

729
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: any time. It doesn't matter. He's just he's literally like

730
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: a kaleidoscope of pressure. And yeah, you could get a

731
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: corner or a slot corner or a safety coming on

732
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: a on a pass rush against the tackle. That absolutely

733
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: can happen. And it's funny. I talked to James Betcher.

734
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: It'll be interview that we year right before camp. It's

735
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: a preview of camp, and I did Mike Shoel as well.

736
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: And one thing we've talked about here a lot, Paul

737
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. And I'm like, I'm

738
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: James Betchem I'm gonna ask them what we're talking about

739
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: on the show. So I asked him. I go, one

740
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: thing we've talked about a lot coaches that you know

741
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: your scheme is designed to generate pressure. He goes, yeah, absolutely,

742
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: So I go, all right, but here's the question. Can

743
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: scheme consistently generate pressure over the course of sixteen games?

744
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Is that even possible? When he goes, no, it's not.

745
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: My scheme is designed to put players into the one

746
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: on one situations. They need to beat a guy to

747
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: generate pressure. He said, this is a man on man game. Eventually,

748
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: your guys gonna have to beat their guy. I don't

749
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: care what the scheme is. He goes, maybe one out

750
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: of every five or ten blitz as I call Alva

751
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: free rusher, And that's not a good day, all right,

752
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: It's just the way it goes. People are too smart

753
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: in the league. Eventually, if we want to be good

754
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: and we want to put pressure on the quarterback, our

755
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to win. And you're a right.

756
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: It might not be olevad running against the offensive tackle.

757
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: It might be a linebacker against the running back who's

758
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: picking up a blitz. Might be a cornerback against the

759
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: running back or tight end picking up a blitz. You

760
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: name it. Eventually, folks, giant pass rushers are gonna have

761
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: to win. And that's how this is gonna work. And

762
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: you know that's why I guess. We had a caller

763
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: on the show yesterday asked Figels and I how many

764
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: linebackers you think the Giant's gonna keep? And I said, well,

765
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: you know what, with James Betcher, I'm redefining the depth chart.

766
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: It's now gonna be defensive tackles, edge and inside linebacker.

767
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Who said that I did? Oh, yeah, absolutely, I'm changing.

768
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm changing the depth chart. It's now defensive tackles, edge

769
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: and inside linebacker. Yeah I would, I would term it

770
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: defensive line instead of defensive tackles. But otherwise fine, I agree.

771
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: One you have there's too much fluidity going on. You

772
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: have your do you have your guys that are down

773
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: as defensive lineman no matter what, and that's the first group.

774
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: The edge guys are outside linebackers that turned the pass

775
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: rushers in nickel and dime, and then your your linebackers

776
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: are the players that play off the ball. You know,

777
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: it's remember it's a five man front, the three four folks.

778
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: So even though a lot of six man French. So

779
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: even though Cree, Martin and Vernon are standing up, they're

780
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: still on the line of scrimmage. So that last linebacker group,

781
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a pretty small group, are you gonna have.

782
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Look Calvin Munson, Ogletree Goodson and maybe Rarey Armstrong. And

783
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: and we tried to figure out how many, say that's

784
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna be it? How many? How many of those inside

785
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: backers do you keep? And that was part of the question.

786
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you keep more than four. I mean, no,

787
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: you can't keep more than four. I thought it might

788
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: just be three, could be Ogletree Goodson, and it might

789
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: be months and against her. I remember Gettleman made this

790
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: point to Paul that he's not interested in filling his

791
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: final fifty three man roster with X number guys at

792
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: east position. He's keeping the best players. So if he

793
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: thinks these guys one position has no depth in the backups,

794
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: all stick, he's not gonna keep him for the sake

795
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: of keeping him, so we might see some unbalanced stuff

796
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: there depending on how this roster plays out, Cam, can

797
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: we do some tweeter people about to say the same thing?

798
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, because I thought I was up for

799
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: the next turn and I wanted to go to these people.

800
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: To the people, Um Lisa, Hello Lisa, she's one of

801
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: our our very famous Twitter fans on the program. She

802
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: has a great job, says in your opinion this spring,

803
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: who do you think would be the biggest surprise to

804
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: us fans? A sleeper that has really showed up during

805
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: the spring. Well, based on the conversation we've had already,

806
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that Hunter Sharp is not a

807
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: guy that many people have talked about, if at all,

808
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: And as John has already described, he's probably got a

809
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: leg up to even be the kick returner. If if not,

810
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: it maybe something else. I think he probably qualifies. No, Yeah,

811
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: as somebody has not been talked about, he's not. He's

812
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: not talked about. Nobody talks about Hunter Sharp. No. I

813
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: think he's a guy. Um, another guy you think the

814
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: second guy for Lisa, And I'll be honest too, I

815
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people until the last couple

816
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: of weeks when uh, John M. Jalapio has had I like, hallapeo,

817
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: hallo peo is screwed up again. I'm sorry, It's okay. Honestly,

818
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying to correct you there. But I

819
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: don't feel bad because it still takes them do when

820
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: to get that right. We were, We've been wrong for

821
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: over a year getting it getting it to the other

822
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: we figured out what he started the less exactly. Um,

823
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: so you know, I think you could probably put him

824
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: in that same boat, right because he's now locked up

825
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: in a double war with Brett Jones. He might win

826
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: that job. It's possible based on what we've seen, you know.

827
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: And I and I thought all along, and I think

828
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: you probably were on board with this, Brett Jones was

829
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: going to be the guy. We thought he was probably

830
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: the one of the more solid starters on that line.

831
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, here comes you know, John

832
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and just busting his butt and challenging now for that job.

833
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: I think that's probably another guy you could say, uh,

834
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: and this is similar, um Bengru and I have no

835
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: idea who are a punter or kick punter? Kick returners

836
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: are same deal. I mean, I think right now it's

837
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp. I've seen Calif Raymond back there doing puns

838
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: um on a couple of kick things. But again, I

839
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: think he's a spot guy. That could been Shepherd have

840
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: caught some punts. Um. One of the defensive backs was

841
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: back there. I'm trying to remember which one it was. Um.

842
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Latimer was actually back there doing a couple he was

843
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: he was, um, let me look at the TV list. No, okay, no, no, no.

844
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: And then the other the other question. Yeah, I mean

845
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: I think those are the guys that are mostly in

846
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: the mix for it. To be honest with you, yeah,

847
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I feel so good about Hunter

848
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: Sharp being on this team. Yeah. I think he's the guy,

849
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: I really do, and I think he'll be pretty good

850
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: at itude, to be honest with you, he certainly has

851
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity, Let's put it this way, he's going to

852
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: get every chance to win that job. As far as

853
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: the putter, I think that was the other half of

854
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: the question. Riley Dixon the other day had his best

855
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: day by far since he's arrived at the Giants, because

856
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: prior to that he's been rather inconsistent and and Taylor.

857
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I guess is it Smack. I haven't talked to him.

858
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to me either. Comes over as a

859
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: guy who had try out with the Vikings a year

860
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: ago and didn't make the fifty three, but I understand

861
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: had a good camp with them and is a capable guy. Um,

862
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: you know what. I think they brought him in for

863
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: a reason, him and Dixon. Him and Dixon are gonna

864
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: have a punt off. And may I, may I remind

865
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: you Riley Dixon was brought to the Giants from the

866
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Broncos for a conditional seventh round pick. So he doesn't

867
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: make the team, They're not gonna have to send the

868
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: pick exactly, and better to find out now if you're

869
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be happy with him, then after the fifty

870
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: three and you've got a forfeit the pick. And Riley

871
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: Dixon's all about consistency he has. He's a big guy,

872
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: six four, He's got a big leg. When he hits it,

873
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: he hits it. He had a great hang time. Yeah, consistency.

874
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: We got to see that out of him. And then

875
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: we should talk about the police kickers too. Um. And

876
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: that was gonna be another one of my points I

877
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: think known against I think Rosas has been a little

878
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: bit better. He's got a bad leg, but it ain't decided.

879
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: All these guys are not only just competing against themselves,

880
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: they're competing against every single guy on the street in

881
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. I agree, So I think the battle will

882
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: continue in camp. But again, I think you're gonna have

883
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: to Both of these guys will be given a chance

884
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: to kick in game situations, and how they kick on

885
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: their pressure might just very well be even if it's

886
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: a small sample size, might very well well be who

887
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: decide what what the sides this battle. Yeah, it's gonna

888
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: be fun to watch how Shermer divvies up the kicking

889
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: duties during those preseason games because last year it was

890
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: razor thin between Rosas and Nugent, and Rosa's got it

891
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: in part because he was the younger guy with the

892
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: stronger leg. But Mike Nutent did everything he could to

893
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: prove he belonged to the league, and in fact, the

894
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys did sign him for a few weeks there when

895
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: they needed a kicker. Alex says, we always talk about

896
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Eli being really good at play action. What does that mean?

897
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: Is it all based on smarts? Pre snap reads and

898
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: selling it. Well. Actually that's part out of all of it.

899
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: That equation does kind of combine itself into making him

900
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: very good at play action. It is about the smarts

901
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and the pre snap reads and making sure you sell it.

902
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: But most of all, it's about making the defense respect

903
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: the fact that you can run when you want to.

904
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: It's funny. Pro Football Focus is actually done a study

905
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: and it shows that play action pass and the effectiveness

906
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: of it is not dependent on how good you're running

907
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: game is from team to team. You're statistically the numbers dictated,

908
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: which it's hard to believe. But I'd like, I'd like

909
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to see more evidence on that one. They've

910
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: my understanding and I talked to this over over how

911
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: many years are they saying this? Really? All right? I'd

912
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: like to talk about I've been saying and we're actually

913
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a spot at some point. Want to

914
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: bring on their analytics guy, I think for a whole show,

915
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: and we're gonna kind of bang through a lot of

916
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. But that is I found fascinating. Logically, it

917
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lick of sense. My instinct is to

918
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: fight that, and so is mine. But if but if

919
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: you literally look at the numbers from team to team

920
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: and it's regardless of running performance and the effect of

921
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: basically what they did is that my understanding. Again, we

922
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: love the guys on and we'll talk about it. I

923
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: think this is a good time of the season where

924
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: we can do this sort of kind of you know,

925
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: in depth off the beat type of stuff where they

926
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: basically took every team. They look at their passing in

927
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: regular situations, they looked at their passing in play action situations,

928
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: they looked at the running game, and they looked at

929
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: the impact of how much better the team is in

930
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: play action first nonplay action, and the difference between the

931
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: two was not correlated at all to the quality of

932
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: the team's running game. Well, let me throw this into

933
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: you as a variable. And again I didn't do the study,

934
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: so I might not have the answer for you, but

935
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: that's they did. But let me throw this in to

936
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: you as a variable. If the team has never proven

937
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: that it can be a threat running the ball, then

938
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: no matter what they try to do with play action

939
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: during the course of the season, as the Giants have done,

940
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: the results are not going to be very good anyway.

941
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: But their point is that that's not the case. The

942
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: difference the advantage of team gets from doing play action

943
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: and teams generally they're passing stats and play action are

944
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: all better than they are in nonplay action situations. It's

945
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: just a fact. But the that improvement does not correlate

946
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: in the data to how good a team's individual rushing

947
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: ability is. So a team that basically the point is

948
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: that Team A who is a really good running game,

949
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: the difference between their play action and nonplay action is

950
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: the same as Team Bay who has a bad running game.

951
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: There differential is almost the same. Correct. Wow, that that's

952
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: really surprising to make me too. I was surprised by two,

953
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that's what they found. Again. I'll

954
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: book that today and try to get them next weekend.

955
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. James Jones wants He says two

956
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: questions for us. John He says, if Chad Wheeler doesn't

957
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: perform well in the preseason, is he eligible for practice

958
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: squad so we can get a veteran tackle. He also

959
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: wants to know could we play s J. McIntosh on

960
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I R if he doesn't play in the preseason? Which

961
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: one do you want to take? Mcintosha Wheeler. Well, Wheeler,

962
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: I do not believe as eligible for the practice squad.

963
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I think he is. How many games that he playing

964
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: lest I don't think he played in a whole lot.

965
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Let me say, hold on, and again, the practice squad

966
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: rules change every couple of years too, and then you

967
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: have those veteran exemptions as well. Now you know what,

968
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: he could definitely be on there as a veteran. I'm

969
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure he can make it as a veteran exception.

970
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: At the very least, he was played in eleven games,

971
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: started five, so I think he might have to be

972
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: a veteran. I think he might have to be an exemption.

973
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: What you can do because I think it's got to

974
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: be six or less, right, question appearances, would he make

975
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: it to the practice the squad though, No, I don't

976
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: think he would. And that's the trick, right Frankly, he

977
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: might be the third best offensive tackle on this team. No,

978
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: he is, right now, there's no question about it, you

979
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: know absolutely, So I don't Again, he I guess, well, James,

980
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: the way he phrases question, maybe bring in a veteran tackle,

981
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: and that's what you would do, and you would put

982
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: me on the practice squad. But I'm not sure you're

983
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna find somebody better than Chad Wheeler that's available. To

984
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, I don't think so, not

985
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: based on what's on the street right now. Nick beckedon,

986
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: By the way, is the Giants left tackle with the

987
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: second unit. During the course of the off season, Will

988
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: has been playing right tackle behind Deerk Flowers on the

989
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: second unit. R J McIntosh by the way, uh did

990
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: not do anything over the course of these practice sessions. Yes,

991
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: he absolutely could find himself on injured reserve, coach McAdoo

992
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: said yesterday to Schmer. Coach Schermer said, yesterday, you gonna

993
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: get pulled out of here by your neck. That would

994
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: have been a very bad mistake. That he was, Yes,

995
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: he was going to have to have a procedure, and

996
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: that they didn't know about his availability for training. Can

997
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: they think he'll be back, They think he'll be bad.

998
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't promise him. So what they would do

999
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: then they wouldn't put him on if able to perform,

1000
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: put him on pop non injury, righty. And you know what,

1001
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: and you get activated then at any time, yes, and

1002
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: and and I'm gonna say this with all due respect

1003
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not telling you anything. You don't know. The

1004
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Giants seemed to have a lot of candidates for that

1005
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: defensive line. If R J McIntosh, who was already behind

1006
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: right now by not being able to practice at all

1007
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: during the spring, if it turns out that he winds

1008
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: up being pupped for the season or I r for

1009
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: the season, consider him a red shirt and then maybe

1010
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: next year he has a better chance to make the

1011
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: fifty three. It's not it's not a crime. If you

1012
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: know he can't give them any snaps this year, He's

1013
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying, agreed, Um, this one deuce. What

1014
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: side of the ball will have them tough for transition,

1015
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: the offense or the defense? Giving the new coaches and schemes.

1016
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: What do you think? I gotta believe the defense because

1017
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: of Betcher's you know, multiple schemes. Basically, these guys have

1018
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: to know one awful lot because there are so many

1019
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: moving parts on each and every play and so many

1020
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: pre snap um machinations. To me, it's gotta be the defense. John,

1021
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: I agree. Um. Here's a question coming in from Nigel Estwick.

1022
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: If how Shermer used Dalvin Cook because he got hurt

1023
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: as indicative Barkley could be ultraproductive. Also, the professional Vets

1024
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: sign will pay off more than their stats will show. Um. Yeah,

1025
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: he used Cook almost exclusively. Um. I think he used

1026
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: McKinnon though a decent amount of the third down back.

1027
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: And the difference is that Barkley is gonna be the

1028
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: third down back. So I would think if Barkley is

1029
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: gonna gonna rest, it's gonna be on first or second down.

1030
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: Is it gonna want him on the field in passing situations? Yeah?

1031
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: I think so too. And that's exactly the opposite of

1032
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: what I originally thought several months ago when I thought

1033
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: that Gallman had a better chance to be the third

1034
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: down back. Um, I don't think that anymore. I think

1035
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: Barkley is gonna have to be on the field on

1036
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: third down out. I think he's proven already even though

1037
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: there's been no contact and practices. I think I think

1038
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: he's already kind of passed by a lot of hurdles

1039
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: that that rookies usually do have, and he'll be the guy. Okay.

1040
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: Another question coming in, um A J. Marshall, how many

1041
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: rookie starters will there be in Week one? Wow? Well,

1042
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: we think Hernandez definitely right we think Barkley, I think

1043
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: he'll start. I agree, you know, no, if he's on

1044
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: the field for the first snap of the game, maybe

1045
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: technically he didn't start. I think let's just put him

1046
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: in the let's just put him in. Let's just put

1047
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: him in. I think b J. Hill's a starter. I

1048
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: think b J. Hill is gonna want up be in

1049
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: a starter. I agree with that thing. I don't think

1050
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: Carter is gonna start over Cream Martin. I'm reserving judgment

1051
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: on that one. I think that could be. I think

1052
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: it's possible. I think it's unlikely. I'm gonna go forty. Okay,

1053
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: that's fine. So we said a minimum of three is

1054
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: what which is by the only drafted five guys? That's

1055
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, and actually the other one, depending upon

1056
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: whether or not you want to get drafted five or six.

1057
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Speaker 1: Have it right? Six guys they drafted. They had two

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Speaker 1: picks in the one round, two picks in the thirty

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Speaker 1: six picks. I'm sorry, um, one, two, four, five, low

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Speaker 1: letter McIntosh correct, Um, I did the same thing. That's

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Speaker 1: why it's exactly uh and and and then uh. Depending

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Speaker 1: upon what you think the kicking and punting situation is

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Speaker 1: going to be. I mean if if if it's Cone

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00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: technically a rookie, if well, technically I think he's a

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Speaker 1: first year player. I don't know if he counts any

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Speaker 1: of those guys are rookie, So yeah, yeah, mag and

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Speaker 1: the other guy's not either, he's he's the first year

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Speaker 1: player to count them, mass, I think, so, yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: probably right. Let me look, let me look. Is he

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Speaker 1: on that roster? Is that old? This guy got to

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00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: the other day? Um, what do you know? He's not

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Speaker 1: on this roster. I don't think he's a didn't get

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Speaker 1: the one. I don't think he's a straight Now, technically

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00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: they are considering Cone a first year player, So if

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00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Cone does beat out Rosas, he Isn't that funny, folks,

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00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: That's just the way that the NFL qualifies eligibility, and

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: it all has to do with their benefits and their

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00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: packs and ross. Last year, it wasn't a rookie. He

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Speaker 1: was a first year player because he was on the

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Speaker 1: Titans practice squad for a little bit the year before.

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Speaker 1: Although technically, isn't this interesting They're considering Cone and Rosa's

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00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: both first year players. Unless this is a typo I

1083
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: remember wrong, then maybe Rosas was considered a rookie last year,

1084
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: isn't one? Maybe maybe because he got cut from camp

1085
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't hit the practice squad during the regular season.

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00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why. But here's the thing. Should shouldn't Rosas

1087
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: now be a second year player? Yes, which means there's

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00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: a typo on this roster. So now we can't trust

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00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: anything on the roster. That's kidding. I'm just saying, man,

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00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: James Jones, again, do you think the other starting safety

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: is not on the Giants roster? Because there are a

1092
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of good safeties available, Trey Boston, Kenny Karl, Eric Read,

1093
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: there are but ch of them, and it's been a

1094
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: very slow market for that position, very very slow market.

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Speaker 1: In fact, do I even bring up the fact that

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00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: earlier we were talking about defensive backs and the fact

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: that Dominic Rodgers Comarty is still available and who knows

1098
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: if maybe he finds his way back here. And that

1099
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: was the quote from him to what Art Stapleton I

1100
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: think reported that. I mean no, I think he said,

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00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe we'll you'll you'll see me. What does

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00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: that mean he was thinking of coming back here? Does

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00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: that mean he was going to the Washington Redskins? That's

1104
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: a good question because remember the only visit he took

1105
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: after he left the Giants was to the Redskins, and

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: he also said at that I think he was at

1107
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: the Landing Collins Softball at it right, that's where. And

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: he also apparently did not express much of dismay for

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00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: not having to go to spring workouts. Yes, he's one

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: of those guys who was going to sign as latest possible,

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00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: and by the way, is in outstanding physical condition, so

1112
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: it's not like he needs to do a lot to

1113
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: his body. Um, I for one would not mind seeing

1114
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: him back here. To be perfectly frank with you, I

1115
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem with it either. Now I don't

1116
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: think he's a the player he was four or five

1117
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: years ago, but I think it would be a help

1118
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: for this versatility and more guys that compete. Nothing wrong

1119
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: with that. And again, if he is back here, he

1120
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Speaker 1: might play a variety of positions. So alright, final question,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a good way to um to

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00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: close this out from Adam Costas one player on offense

1123
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and defense, you want to see most when the pads

1124
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: come on. Oh gotta be Barkley in offense has to

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Speaker 1: be okay, has to be. I'm gonna go Eric Flowers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important. It's very important. It's the

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00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: HIGHLFE excitement. Is Barkley? I get it, But I I

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00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: question was want to see? I know, but he even

1129
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: Barkley and pads and practice. No one's trying to tackle him.

1130
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: The guy almost inside to see in a game, Kwan Barkley. Okay,

1131
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: the guy looks aside to see in practice and pads zero.

1132
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: That's a very astute observation. And I'm going to change

1133
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: it now. I'm gonna go Flowers to very good John.

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Speaker 1: I like that convinced me because I think, look, it's

1135
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: super important. I think that could be a whole if

1136
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't figure things out. Yeah, what did you think

1137
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: of what he said in this press conference the other day?

1138
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: And honestly, I was doing all those interviews, so I

1139
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to listen and intently and blurry.

1140
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: An exemplary attitude displayed by Flowers, who, to me, embraced

1141
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he's got to turn his career around

1142
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: and it's got to be now. That's that's what I

1143
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: took from it. Now is it talk? Is it the truth?

1144
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: Is it what's coming from inside. I don't know the

1145
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: answer to that. What I do know is he's in

1146
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: his contract season, and if there's ever a time for

1147
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: any player to break out whatever he's got, this is

1148
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: the time. So we'll see. So I think you sold

1149
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: me on that, I'll change my my pick the flowers.

1150
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: How about defense? I I really want to see alec Ogletree,

1151
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: but again, probably more in a game that I want

1152
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: to see him in camp. So I'm going to use

1153
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: your reasoning here. I'm with you. I'm gonna use your reasoning.

1154
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: There's there's two guys here. I'm debating between one and two.

1155
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see which one you pick. Oh, Lorenzo Carter, Okay,

1156
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: the other guy I want to see beat your hill.

1157
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: That's fine. I think those are the two guys that

1158
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: you would have to choose from because what you'll be

1159
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: able to see with those guys is their athleticism. Without

1160
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: actually having to hit people or tackle people, You'll still

1161
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: be able to see some of their physical traits. And

1162
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: I think if I had to pick one, i'd picked

1163
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: Carter too, only because I know how important it is

1164
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: for the Giants to find a pass for us this year.

1165
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: It's really, really, really really important and he's your next

1166
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: best shot after Vernon. I would agree with that, but

1167
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: in a game, I'm telling you right now, I'm looking

1168
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: forward to seeing Ogletree with his chase and hit capabilities

1169
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: in a game. Good stuff. Been fun. Why don't you

1170
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: close out the show because I gotta do some technical stuff. Folks,

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Speaker 1: don't forget you. Will be back as always next week.

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