1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Game Day Live Preview Podcast. I'm Logan, Paulson, 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Heer with Justin Guy Jayson. We are previewing everything you 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: need to know about the Giants. We've got their defense, 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: why they're struggling, why you haven't heard about their past, 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: rush might not be what you think they're And offensively, 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: it's all about Jackson Dart and the guys he's thrown to. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: We get in the weeds on that. It all starts 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: right now. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Game Day Live Preview Podcast. I'm Jason Johnson. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm here with NFL ten year vet tight end Logan Paulson. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: You played five years here in Washington, then scattered around 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: the league. Yeah, and you know what you're talking about. 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: One of the things about this show that you're gonna 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: get is great football insight, meat and potatoes, meat potatoes, 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: And it's not that little New York Strett. Get that 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: New York out of there. We want the tea boone, 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: that's right, Get that sucker in here, and that's what 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: we're going to get. So Logan, let's talk about the Giants, 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: because last time we saw them in Week one, both 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: these teams two different places, almost two different teams in 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: a way. So talk to me about the Giants. What's 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: different from week one to now? Besides the obvious, you know, 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: not Russell Wilson, not Brian Daball, not Shane Bowen. But 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: what is different? Is there anything different in a philosophy 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: for them? And let's start with the defense. 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, starting with the defense. 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's that much of a difference 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: because when I watched the New England game, when I 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: watched them in the Chicago game, defensively, I felt like 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: there was a lot of similarities. And I'm I've run 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: to this bias being an offensive player, because I just 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: looked for very, very high level trends because like to 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: me when I played, especially like you're never going to 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: be able to dissect every single bit of minutia of 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: a defensive change. But what I will say is I 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's gotten a little bit simpler. I think 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: they have their base coverage as they like to run. 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I think Shane Bowen was a big quarters guy. I 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: think that threat is still there. I think the freak 40 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: was with which they're in quarters is higher. I think 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: they run a little bit less cover six. I think 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: they run a lot more like single high cover three 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: type stuff, which is a relatively easy coverage to kind 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: of get after now because of the rules and principles 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: of cover three. Yeah, and so I think you've seen 46 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: a kind of in some ways what Dan did. He said, 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of take out, we're gonna strip the fat, 48 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna make it really simple. And I think they're 49 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: they're kind of pitches that the pitches, if you will, 50 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: are like, we're gonna be in quarters, we're gonna be 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: in cover three, and our change up in certain situations 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: like low red will be cover zero, which every team does, 53 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: or some type of fire zone, which, again you know, 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 1: when you get a new DC, like some big schematic 55 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: overhauls can be really really challenging. And I think that's 56 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: kind of what you're seeing here is just like the 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: new DC kind of said, let's just keep it simple, 58 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: let's get the guys playing fast, and let's eliminate some 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: of the mental mistakes like coverage bus which was a 60 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: huge part earlier in the season when Shane Bowen was 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinat And so now you've kind of got 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: a much simpler, much more stripped down version of the 63 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: defense with some of the same skeleton elements of Shane Bowen. 64 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: Is that pretty common when there's a change at a 65 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: coordinator position, whether offense or defense, at the next guy 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: that comes in will keep, like you said, the skeletal 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: part of it, and they simplify, Yeah, moving forward. Is 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: that normally what happens, because we're kind of seeing that 69 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: a little bit here with the Commanders when DQ took over, 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: play calls correct, Like is that kind of. 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: And I do feel like DQ is limited more by personnel, Like, 72 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: obviously you don't have your two starting corners, you lack 73 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: the three starting defensive lineman. The Giants are different, man, Like, 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: they they're pretty healthy on the defense there. Their middle 75 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: linebacker got hurt, obviously weak went against us. They've brought 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: a new guy to kind of fill that role. But 77 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: their defensive line is healthy for the most part. Their 78 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: secondary is healthy for the most part. There's a couple 79 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of Nixon knacks of the course of 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: the season. But that's been the surprising thing to me, 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: is like it's the same personnel and you've kind ofimplified. 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: I feel like Dan has done a lot. 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Of simplification because he feels hamstrung by personnel things that 84 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: have happened. So the other thing to your question, I 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: think it's important to mention is that it's really hard 86 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: to put new stuff in in a week. Think about 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: like the NFL offseason, Like you've put installs in over 88 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: the course of OTA's mini camps, training camp, preseason. That's 89 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, probably conservatively, i'd say fifty to seventy hours 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: of work on the field. That's not including meetings and 91 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like to make any kind of 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: big draft to go. Like, so for a good example 93 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, we should run Brian Flores's defense, Like, 94 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you can't just put that in in a week, right, 95 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: It's way too complicated, it's way too nuanced. 96 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: That's pretty disrespectful to how good that defense is too. 97 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: It's like, oh we can do. 98 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: That, yeah, yeah. 99 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: And so I think what you'll often see is even 100 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: with offenses, right, like you'll see, you know, when the 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator comes in, Like the verbiage stays the same, 102 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: the general philosophy stays the same. There might be a 103 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: slight shift in terms of what you're prioritizing, but it's 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: still the same quote unquote offense it's still the same 105 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: quote unquote defense. 106 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: And when you're talking about that, the Giants still have 107 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: kind of that nucleus of players on defense. You're talking 108 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: about that defensive line, Yeah, with abdu Carter, Dexter Laurence. 109 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit about there's this conversation. 110 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Tell me if it's true or false that they have 111 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: not been playing up the standards this year. Are you 112 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: really getting a feel for that. Are we should we 113 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: be not as concerned? Are they not as dominant this 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: year as we thought they would be? Or is this 115 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: still a really dominant front? And that's just kind of 116 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: a media talking point right now. 117 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I realized. I think it is a 118 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: dominant front. I think you look at Brian Burns, he 119 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: has thirteen sacks. Abdull Carter has a higher pressure rate 120 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: than him, so Hits Hurry's pressures like he's got a 121 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: higher percentage of that. He's close to thirteen. Brian Burns 122 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: is right at twelve, and I think that shows up. 123 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, he has had some games this year Abdill 124 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Carter I'm talking about now where he's been absolutely dominant. 125 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: We're talking over twenty percent pressure rate, which is crazy. 126 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 4: It's just not showing up on the stat sheet as 127 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 4: a sack. 128 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not showing up as a sack. I think 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: he's got three or four sacks now at this point 130 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: something like that. 131 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: You're saying, he's still definitely affecting the game. 132 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: I think so. Like they were just watching the New 133 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: England game. 134 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: If you've got some time, go back and watch the highlights, 135 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Like he has seven like clean pressures in that game. 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think the thing in that game that stood 137 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: out to me was like Drake May did a great 138 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: job of stepping up in the pocket, managing pressure, delivering 139 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: the ball, but he also knew where to go with 140 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: the football. And I think it is really close. We 141 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: talked about on the Film Breakdown show this week. If 142 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: you want to see it first hand, go check it out. 143 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: But like they have pretty specific personnel tells at least 144 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: to my eye, over the last two weeks of the season, 145 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: and again that can change. And that's why NFL defenses 146 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: are hard because they're always finding wrinkles and nuance. But 147 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you're in eleven personnel, they're going to 148 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: be in quarters. If you're in heavy personnel, they're going 149 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: to be in cover three, And again that's not all 150 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: the time, but it definitely feels like you can kind 151 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: of tip the deck in your favor. So if you're 152 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: going to get that, you know, like the quarterback's going 153 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: to get the ball out and then the rush is 154 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit more muted because like 155 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: you're again like he had seven clean pressures Abdil Carter 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: wins On guards wins On it was a backup tackle, 157 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: but wins On a backup tackle, and you're like, man, 158 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: that those should be sacks, but the balls out. 159 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: And so I think that's. 160 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Where where I think the demise of the defensive line 161 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: is slightly exaggerated. I think Dexter Lawrence is still playing 162 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: at a high level, Like he catches a ton of double 163 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: teams in pass protection. I think in the run game 164 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: he's still doing a good job, especially when he's playing 165 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: that true no spot. I think the weakness comes in 166 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of some of their four eye stuff. So like 167 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: obviously knows has head up over the center, four eye 168 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of inside shoulder of the guard. Those guys have 169 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: historically been good players, but they're more pass rushers and 170 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: now that they're you know, seeing more runs, they're in 171 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: closer games, game flow is such that they're seeing the 172 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: ball carrier with the ball in his hands more. Those 173 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: guys are being exploited a little bit. And so I 174 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of this weird ecosystem where I 175 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: think as pass rushers are doing fine first and second down, 176 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: I think they're struggling a little bit because of some 177 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: of that four eye play that they're getting. 178 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: What can you do moving from Minnesota as the commanders 179 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: from Minnesota to now facing what you say is a 180 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Giants defensive line that's still playing at a high level. 181 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: What can how would you improve moving into the next 182 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: game Now they're different defenses, but still good defensive line. 183 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 184 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: So I think the thing that was overwhelming about Minnesota, 185 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of fans got to see 186 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: at firsthand, is that they do a lot of different stuff, 187 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of different pressure packages, a lot of different 188 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: looks in terms of like they're kind of in that 189 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: seven men up on the line of scrimmage type deal, 190 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: and then it's like are they getting into a cross dog, 191 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: are they getting into a seven man blitz? Are they 192 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: bringing a format overload? Are they dropping in a cover two? 193 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: And they're really good at that, right, and part of 194 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: that is diagnosing and identifying and challenging your protection rules 195 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: just by formation a defensive formation. 196 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: The Giants aren't going to do that. 197 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: They kind of say, hey, we're going to get up 198 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: on a line of scrimmage or if it's nickel, we're 199 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: going to have four down guys rushing the passer. 200 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: And again they do bring fire zones. They do bring 201 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: some stuff. 202 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: That you know is not just like the most vanilla, 203 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: but I'm watching it. It's like they're going to in 204 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: a format rush, They're going to be in some type 205 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: of pretty obvious coverage contour, and they're basically saying those 206 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: four guys win. When you have four guys like when 207 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: that's the plan that works. Obviously Houston does that at 208 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: the highest level. They're probably the their top five defense 209 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: at the moment in the NFL. Like that that can work, right, 210 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: but it also makes it easier for us in terms 211 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: of protection plan. We can have chip help, we can 212 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: work slide help, we can just kind of identify a 213 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: piece of the front and say this is how we're 214 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: going to work our protection rules to kind of take 215 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: these elements away. One thing I think you see week 216 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: in and week out, as Dexter Lawrence gets double teamed 217 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: seemingly at the highest rate in the NFL, like everyone's 218 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: sending their slide to him. 219 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: He's not getting one on ones. Guys in the perimeter 220 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: are winning. 221 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: But that other defensive player that you know, that three 222 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: technique or the other defensive tackle player just isn't winning 223 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: at a high rate. And so a quarterbacks step up, 224 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence is doubled and the ball is getting out. 225 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: So I think it again, because you're not seeing the 226 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: complexity or diversity in terms of blitzes or front space, 227 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I think you're in a good spot here if you're 228 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: an offensive play caller to be like, Okay, these guys 229 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: are really good football players. But now we can kind 230 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: of we can take away what they do well or 231 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: who we think we need to take away if we 232 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: have to. 233 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: So, now that we've talked about the defensive line, what 234 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: are ways that we can take advantage of their secondary 235 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: the coverages that they play in your film breakdown show 236 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: that we do together, which I love. I learned so 237 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: much just about football just in general. So like whether 238 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: you're just jumping in the football as a watcher and 239 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: you want to learn like basics or you want to 240 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: get more in the weeds. You give a little bit 241 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: of everything on that show. So I encourage everybody listening 242 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: to this go check that out Commanders YouTube Film Breakdown 243 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: show with Logan. But one of the things you were 244 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: talking about with the giants is they play, they get 245 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: into certain coverages that you can dictate based on personnel. 246 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: So talk to me a little bit about what is 247 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: some of the personnel that we can run out there 248 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: to then take advantages of the coverages that the use. 249 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: Basically take that film breakdown show put it in the words. 250 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I would say is like, for example, 251 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: if they want to stop the run, they tend to 252 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: get into cover three. And so cover three is great 253 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: because you can play an eight man box and usually 254 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: you can stop the run pretty well with an eight 255 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: bad boxes. Everyone's got a gap, just fill those things up. 256 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: The problem is, like cover three, there are some limitations 257 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: in terms of coverage, right, So you know, one of 258 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: the things that stick out to me and watch in 259 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: film is like, if you're in cover three, what routes 260 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: I want to run? I want to make sure I've 261 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: got something clearing out the corner something that puts the 262 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: inside receiver on an isolation around with the safety, and 263 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: then something that puts the hook player took the side 264 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: of the clear out route in conflict, so basically like 265 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: so that he can't back up underneath a deep route. 266 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: So like the number one play that comes to mind 267 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: would be like scissors some people call it sale, where 268 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: you get a post skinny post by number one, some 269 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: type of corner by number two, and then a back 270 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: or a check down to the flat. 271 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: You just get this nice three level throw cover three. 272 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: Hard to cover that, right, and it's one of the 273 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: more prolific play action pass concepts in the NFL. Another 274 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: one would be something i'd call like hurricane or what 275 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: I would call pass in my high school office, where 276 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: you get to a post and a cross and then 277 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: something to the flat again in cover three that's really 278 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: hard to cover because that post safety has to cut 279 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: the cross or if he cuts the cross, or you 280 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: throw the post. And so they're all really good off 281 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: of play action. And if you're going to get into 282 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: heavy personnel to stop the run to run the football, 283 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: if you're the commanders and then they get in cover three, 284 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: you have a lot of really viable play action opportunities 285 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: down the field. So that's something I would look at. 286 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: Right then if you're an eleven personnel. Obviously they don't 287 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: only run quarters, but that's something that's really high on 288 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: their menu. 289 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: And if you're in. 290 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Quarters, like, there's ways to exploit matchups there two, right, 291 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: you can get your like if you're in trips, for example, 292 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna have to carry the vertical as 293 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: a linebacker, Like, can we get terry on a linebacker? 294 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: That's a great way to do that. And again, they 295 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: don't they play coverage. I said this on the Take 296 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: Command show that I do with Grant Paulson. They play 297 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: coverage like it's strung up on Madden, like we're getting 298 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: to spots, which is something that people used to do, 299 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: like when I played now like with Minnesota, with Seattle, 300 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: with some of these better defenses in the NFL. We 301 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: just talked about them. They play quarters, they play cover three. 302 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: But they do a really good job of matching patterns. 303 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: So even though it's drawn up like the circles on Madden, 304 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna tilt those circles to fit your offensive formation 305 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: or fit a lot of concepts that you run to 306 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 1: help take it away and limit the stress in the coverage. 307 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: They don't do that from what I've seen, and Shane 308 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: Bowen didn't do that. I think that's one of the 309 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: reasons why the defense struggled early in the season. 310 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: So I think there's a. 311 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Lot of ways here that you can exploit them and 312 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: you can take advantage of them, and I think it's 313 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on in this game. Right 314 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: is Like I think about Jane Daniels if he does 315 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: play or Marcus like, one of Jane daniels superpower, in 316 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: my opinion, is pre snap identification to coverage and getting 317 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: the ball out of his hand quick. And this defense, 318 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: at least what they've done the last couple of weeks, 319 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: seems to lend itself to that type of play style. 320 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying they're gonna keep it exactly the same. 321 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: You gotta be ready for, you know, teams playing more 322 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,479 Speaker 1: man blitzing more, because we've struggled with that this year offensively. 323 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: But it feels like this is a game for This 324 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: is the Jayden Daniels game, and I hope he's healthy 325 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: enough to play. 326 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a visual learner and want to see 327 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: everything that just Logan just talked about again. Film Breakdown, 328 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: show Commanders to YouTube check it out. Now let's move 329 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: to the other side of the ball. We got Jackson Dart, 330 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: who's exciting him and Cam'skataboo. When they were playing together, 331 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: they were actually really to watch, even though they weren't 332 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: winning games. There were a lot of fun We covered 333 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: them in the draft process leading up the last year, 334 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: and Jackson Dart was actually pretty high on some people's 335 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: list when it comes to quarterbacks coming out of that class. Specifically, 336 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: I'll shout out Jeremy Green who did a lot of 337 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: stuff with that. There was very high on Jackson Dart 338 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: and you can see why in some of the film 339 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: that you're watching. Tell me a little bit about him, 340 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: what's his superpower? And he's still young in his career, 341 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: But what do you think the ceiling for him could 342 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: possibly be from what you've seen in the NFL so. 343 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: Far, Yeah, I definitely think. You know, after watching. 344 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Four or five offensive games of the Giants, like I'm 345 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: in on Jackson Dart, you know, I watched all of 346 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: his big time throws. 347 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: I watched pretty. 348 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: Much every throw that he had of the last two 349 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: weeks and I think he's he's got what you want, right, 350 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: And so what I mean by that is the arm 351 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: talent's there, kind of the moxie, the courage, whatever that 352 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: word is. The kind of stereotypical quarterback language is there too. 353 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: And he's gonna make a throw. 354 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: Man. 355 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: He's confident in his arm. And I think I knew 356 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: he had a good arm. I didn't know it was 357 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: this good. Like you know, we watched him at Old 358 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Miss and you're like, that's a good throw. 359 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: But can he do that consistently? Does he have to 360 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: have good mechanics? 361 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: And honestly, like there's a little bit of like Josh 362 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: Allen to him, you know, like he doesn't need to 363 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: be on a perfect throwing platform. He can really generate 364 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: a lot of upper body torque through the throw. 365 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: By the way, that doesn't mean he's going to have 366 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: Josh Allen type success. We're just trying to give you 367 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: a picture in your head, since this is all he looks. 368 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: He's definitely more so similar to Josh Allen as opposed 369 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: to like Joe Burrow. If you're looking for like a 370 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: just like a big kid you can run around a 371 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: little bit. He's a little bit off schedule in terms 372 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: of his approach, like you watch the Philadelphia game from 373 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: earlier this season, and he's running around all over the place, 374 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: second level opportunities. So again, that's what he brings. I 375 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: think the other thing is the courage, like with most 376 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: courageous quarterbacks, is a great thing, but it also is 377 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: a negative thing. Like he's storing in a tight window throws. 378 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: He's not always taking care of the football. It'll give 379 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to take it, but I was not. 380 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd feel this way because I thought 381 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart in the first round was a little bit 382 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: of a reach. But I think I'm getting on board 383 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: the train, if that makes sense. Like I love the confidence, 384 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I love the courage, I love the physical toughness, and 385 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: so I think that's what you're getting from him, right 386 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that he brings, which 387 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: is important to note, is the way they're using him 388 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: in the design quarterback run game is way more comprehensive 389 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: than I ever would have thought, and he's done a 390 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: great job with that. Now we'll see if they start 391 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: pulling back from that because he had his second diagnosed 392 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: concussion earlier this year. They're kind of having similar conversations 393 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: in their local media market about we got to protect 394 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback, got to make sure he's healthy, and just 395 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: this is a the side, but everyone talks about keeping 396 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks safe, keeping them healthy, Like you can't do it sometimes, right, 397 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Like when you're gonna when you got a quarterback that's 398 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: as competitive as Jaydon Daniels and Jackson Dart, like they're 399 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna do their thing and it's a physical, violent game. 400 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: But that's a conversation for another day. So what I 401 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: will say is like, I think that's what you're getting 402 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: from him. But again, he's also very inexperienced, and I 403 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: think you feel the Giants lack of confidence of him 404 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: and him at times, like when they call quarterback runs 405 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: in third and long, or they're calling a draw, or 406 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: they're you know what I mean, They're not leveraging him 407 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: the way that I would expect. But I think he's 408 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: extremely extremely talented and he's a lot of fun to watch. 409 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: Elite neighbors isn't going to play in this game. They're 410 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: struggling with playmakers, yes, in their Giants offense, but that 411 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they aren't able to move ball down 412 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: the field or find things for guys. Well, who are 413 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: the guys that are starting to stick out in this offense? 414 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: As far as Jackson, Dart's got to throw to somebody 415 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: who's coming down with that ball. 416 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. 417 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: To my surprise or chagrin, Like THEO Johnson's been a 418 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: guy that's come to the forefront a little bit. And 419 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: again I'm gonna make state, yeah ton of from Pence 420 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: in and I'm gonna make a comparison here, and it's 421 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: more of a body type comparison and how he runs 422 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: routes to win than actually like saying he is this 423 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: player or going to be this player. But there is 424 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of like Rob Gronkowski to THEO Johnson. 425 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like he's big. 426 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: I think he's six six, like two sixty five, two seventy. 427 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: I think he ran like a four five nine at 428 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: the combine four five eight like which, and he jumped 429 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: forty inches. Like he's a just a big physical athlete 430 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: and he wins because he's a big physical athlete. Like 431 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my gosh, look at this great 432 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: nuanced route by THEO Johnson. It's like, oh, look at 433 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: that huge guy mossing a dB for you know, Philadelphia 434 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: or whoever. 435 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very stiff. That's very difference between him and Gronkowsk. 436 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: And Gronk was stiff, but Gronk had this natural like 437 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: football playmaking. 438 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: You know, he caught the bike. 439 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing I would say about Theo Johnson is 440 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: when you go watch his targets some amazing plays like 441 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: him just being physically dominant. The thing that I have 442 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: a hard time with is he drops the ball a 443 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: lot THEO, because I think he's a little stiff, like 444 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: you're talking about, he's a little stiff in his upper back. 445 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: He can't adjust to the ball super well. But he's 446 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of been there guy in man to man coverage 447 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: situations where it's like, hey, we need someone to go win. 448 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: THEO Johnson's gonna go win for you. Which is a 449 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: little bit surprising, right because I'm sure a lot of 450 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: people didn't even think about THEO Johnson in that way 451 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: until we sat it on this podcast. So there's him 452 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: and then there's wandel Robinson, and I think people are 453 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: more familiar with Wandell Robinson. But since my lage neighbor's 454 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: been out he's kind of getting the a larger target share, right, 455 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: He's kind of the slot underneath, kind of win underneath, 456 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: kind of playmaker for you. He's very sudden. I love 457 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: the way he runs routes. I love the way he 458 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: catches a football. But he's five nine, like one to seventy, 459 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: so he's not like a big dude by any stretch 460 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: of the imagination. And then you got Darius Slayton, who 461 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: is very fast. He's a four three one guy, like 462 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: very very fast from Auburn, and you don't always feel him, 463 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: but when you feel him, you feel it in a 464 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: dramatic way. You feel it like that uppercut to the 465 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: jaw because he's hitting an explosive play. So New England's 466 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: an interesting example because in that game, you know they're 467 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: New England trying to show zero or all out pressure. 468 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Jackson's dark checks to play and then he hits Slaighton 469 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: on a slant. Somebody misses a tackle and he goes 470 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: forty yards for a touchdown. You watch the Chicago game 471 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: from earlier in the season, someone misses a tackle, big 472 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: explosive touchdown, like he's got that in the bag. And 473 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: so even though there's not like these dynamic Molik neighbors 474 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: playmakers there, they have enough guys that can hurt you, 475 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: and Jackson Dart to his credit, has put those guys 476 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: in positions where they have hurt teams over the course 477 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: of the year. And then the other element I wanted 478 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: to just throw in here too is the playmakers are limited, 479 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: but Mike Kafka, especially in close games like you watch 480 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions game, is going to throw some absolute 481 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: craziness at you. And what I mean by that it's 482 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: like we got to double pass in the low red zone, 483 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: we got to pass attempt to the quarterback. I think 484 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: in that same game, like there is just craziness happening 485 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: left right in the center because I think they understand 486 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: that they're limited us from a playmaking standpoint, so they're 487 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: going to throw the kitchen sink at you to get 488 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: the plays they need. 489 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: All right, last thing to top off this Game Day 490 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: Live preview pod. I know you've talked at nauseum about 491 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: this up to this point, but just for the audience 492 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: here in case I haven't heard you on other platforms, 493 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: You've been a part of seasons like this where at 494 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: this point in the year, you're not playing for a 495 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: playoff spot. What are you doing as a player, What 496 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: is the mentality of a team, What do you need 497 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: to have going into a game like this, and what 498 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: do you want to see from the Commanders? What do 499 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: you want to see on Sunday. 500 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. 501 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: So as a player, I can only tell you this that, like, 502 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: my sole focus was to be in the NFL the 503 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: next week, the next year, with either the team I 504 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: was currently playing for or a different team. And the 505 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: only way that I knew how to do that was 506 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: to put my best stuff on film. Like every week 507 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: in the NFL as a job interview right Tuesday, they 508 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: bring guys in for tryouts. If you're not playing well enough, 509 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: you will be a tryout guy the following the week. 510 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: So that was my main focus, especially in seasons that 511 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: are really difficult to deal with. 512 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: So I think people who have been. 513 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: Around for a long time understand that they want to 514 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: put their best stuff on film because again, like you're 515 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: not auditioning for the Commanders, you're auditioning for thirty one 516 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: other football team. So I wanted to make sure I 517 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: was putting good stuff out there, even though it was 518 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: mentally hard, even though you weren't really playing for anything 519 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: like as a team. You're playing for something individually, and 520 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons why the NFL 521 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: always remains hyper competitive even when teams are quote unquote 522 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: out of it. So that's the first thing i'd say. 523 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: There was a second part of your question. It was like, 524 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: what I want to see? 525 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: What do you want to see? 526 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's a win, right, you want to 527 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: see a win, But I'm talking a little bit beyond that. Yeah, 528 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: a win, but you get a win because this happens. 529 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, like again, I don't know 530 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: who's going to start a quarterback, but I just want 531 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: to see the offense look smooth and efficient, right. I 532 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: want them to look like the group that we thought 533 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: and we saw last year. And again, they've played some 534 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: really good defensive groups over the course of this season, 535 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: and they've struggled versus those groups. Part of its injury related, 536 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: part of its the schematic. 537 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: Thing the defenses are doing. 538 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: But I want to see them just look like they 539 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: I know they can look right, and again, there are 540 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: a million reasons why they didn't look that way, but 541 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: that's what I want to see and then defensively, I think, 542 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, we do that game Plan show with Dan 543 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: every week, and you're in there helping with that show 544 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint, so we get to talk to 545 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: him a little bit. And the thing he says every 546 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: week that I think is so true is like such 547 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: a big part of his defensive philosophy is getting turnovers. 548 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I'd like this week for them to get a couple turnovers. 549 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I think that would be huge, just to build the 550 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: confidence and kind of start laying the foundation for next year. 551 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: And Jackson Dart, we've kind of gushed over him there 552 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: for about fifteen minutes. 553 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: I think as an excellent football player. I think he's 554 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: going to be very good. 555 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: He's loose with the ball. 556 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: He's loose with the ball. He's going to fumble, he's 557 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: going to throw an interception. He's going to give you 558 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: a shot at it. So when he gives you the shot, 559 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: let's take advantage of it, right, And so like, if 560 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: we get two turnovers this week and the offense looks smooth, like, 561 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I want to see and I 562 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: want them to play complimentary football. So defense, can you 563 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: get off the field on third down? Offense? Can we 564 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: get some level of consistency moving into the back half 565 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: of the back quarter of the season. 566 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: That's really what I'm looking for, all. 567 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: Right, Logan, stay warm out there on the. 568 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: Side, bring my long Johns or something. 569 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. 570 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: You're one of the smartest football minds. Learn something from 571 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: you every time I listen to you. You can catch 572 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: Logan all over the place. Take Command podcasts, you can 573 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: catch a Command Center podcast. Oh my gosh, You're all 574 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: over the place, and you'll learn something every time. One 575 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: thing I love about you as an analyst is you 576 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: hardly ever repeat yourself. You may give the same point, 577 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: but you're gonna give it from a different angle or 578 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: like I love you on the Command Center podcast because 579 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: you're a host on that, so you'll have like this 580 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: topic that we just talked about, but you're you're Steve 581 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: nashshing the ball to Fred and Santana on Command Center. 582 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: You're very and sus Sin. You want all of this 583 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: that we just talked about in two minutes, You've got it. 584 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: That's your two minute drill. Take Command. You get a 585 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: little more in the weeds with Grant, plus you bounce 586 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: off Grant really well. 587 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: And then here I feel like. 588 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: This is just give me the nuts and bolts to 589 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: meat some potatoes and let's go play a football game. 590 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: This show definitely feels to be like more of a 591 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: like how we would approach a game plan, like very 592 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: football heavy. 593 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 3: So that's why it's fun to do this show off. 594 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, check out Logan wherever he is. We're so 595 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: lucky to have you in DC. We only got one 596 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: more of these left. It's going to be sad, but then. 597 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: Draft stuff that draft stuff. 598 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: That's right, all right, thanks for listening, Thank you, Logan, 599 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: all right, but I appreciate it